WEBVTT - Permission to Vote?  Lanhee Chen Talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>Getty show. In that email, there's no question that Age

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<v Speaker 1>stands for a Hunter, big Guy for his father Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jim for Jim Biden. In fact, Hunter often referred

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<v Speaker 1>to his father as the big guy or my chairman.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Tony Bobo Lensky. He came forward yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>put his name in face on this scandal, this fakes handle,

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<v Speaker 1>according to most of the mainstream media about Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely knew about the business dealings that Hunter had trading

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<v Speaker 1>on the Biden name. And this Tony Bubblinski has got

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<v Speaker 1>the cell phones and emails and the text to prove it.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, and he's turned him over to the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>and the FBI. He's a former Navy officer. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's high time the Washington Post, the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty minutes and everybody gets into this story. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 1>discuss the story, it's significance, the debate, and much more

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<v Speaker 1>with lan Hea Chen David and Diane Stephy, fellow in

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<v Speaker 1>American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, also the

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<v Speaker 1>host of the most excellent podcast, Crossing Lines with ln

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<v Speaker 1>he Chen Loti. How are you, sir? I'm glad we

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<v Speaker 1>had a real debate last night that was absolutely refreshing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been saying all morning long, what what would be

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<v Speaker 1>different if if Trump had been that Trump first debate?

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<v Speaker 1>We might we might be in a different situation right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and then gone ahead and done it again in the

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<v Speaker 1>second debate and followed up with last night. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think? I think you're right, we very well could

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<v Speaker 1>be in a different place. I think that first debate,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as much as we talked about this race

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<v Speaker 1>and the dynamics of the race having been set, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the first debate for Trump reinforced the things people

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like about him, and if if he had come out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, last night I thought was a very controlled performance.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was able to back bide it into

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<v Speaker 1>a corner, particularly guys on this energy stuff. This is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be huge in Pennsylvania, Ohio, all the energy extraction states.

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<v Speaker 1>You go out there and basically say you're sympathetic to

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<v Speaker 1>the Green New Deal, that you want to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of oil. You know, the whole Trump riff about windows. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was funny, but you know that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>crazy stuff that's in the Green New Deal, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually in there. So I thought, I thought Trump did

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<v Speaker 1>a good job of that last night. And you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>if that Trump had showed up three weeks ago, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the dynamics of the race would be a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows. But but last night I think for Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to consider it a good performance form And

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<v Speaker 1>as we were discussing off the air just moments ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, last night Trump reminded a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>why they fell in love with them, saying, listen all

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<v Speaker 1>the talk the guy who's in office forever, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>typical politician that that message still resonates, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>completely hidden in the first debate, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We are where we are and it is what it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that for me, by the way, is the most effective line,

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<v Speaker 1>the most effective line of attack against Joe Biden. And

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<v Speaker 1>it goes to all of the suspicions people have about politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes to all the suspicions people have about the

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<v Speaker 1>usual political talk. You know, when when Biden started talking

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<v Speaker 1>about growing up kitchen table middle class and Trump came

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<v Speaker 1>back and said, that's just politician talked, I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people sort of nodding their heads and saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, actually, as politician talk, why don't you tell

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<v Speaker 1>us what it is you really want to do? And

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<v Speaker 1>and that line of attack. You've had forty seven years

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<v Speaker 1>to get stuff done. I've been in office for forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven months, and compare my record to yours. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is exactly the sort of thing he needed to do. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And of course the challenge here is did

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<v Speaker 1>he give enough people who maybe turned off by the Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe turned off by by Trump's personality by the way

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<v Speaker 1>he does things. Did he give the those people permission

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for him last night? I think that will

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<v Speaker 1>be a big open question so we played the clip

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<v Speaker 1>coming in of this guy who has come out and

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<v Speaker 1>put his face in his name and his life's reputation

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<v Speaker 1>on a story about Hunter Biden and emails and tying

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden to business dealings and the you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>big foot media um has been more than willing over

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<v Speaker 1>the last several years to run front page stories, lead

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<v Speaker 1>stories with either anonymous sources or you know, or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They're perfectly happy to do that. Now you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>guy out there. Does this turn into something? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think it turns into something. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it doesn't turn into something, in part because of

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<v Speaker 1>what you suggested that there's really very little interest amongst

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<v Speaker 1>those who would usually amplify a story like this. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>more than that, actually, you know, we've seen active efforts

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<v Speaker 1>to suppress it. If you turn on uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any of the will not any CNN and MSNBC and

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<v Speaker 1>and the major you know over the network stations, you

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<v Speaker 1>turn them on, they're not int did in talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this story. It doesn't exist, right, It's it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>it never happened. And and by the way, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I question elements of this story. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's real and would help if Rudy Giuliani

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't involved. Rudy Hunting being involved does not help any

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<v Speaker 1>story you're ever in. But well, i'll tell you. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like if we end up with a president whose

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<v Speaker 1>family profits from them being in office, a whole home.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had plenty of politicians where that happens. But if

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<v Speaker 1>we've crossed some sort of line with journalism where uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a person coming out and actually putting their

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<v Speaker 1>name and face on it. Hey, here are my cell phones,

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<v Speaker 1>here are my emails, and we don't at least look

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<v Speaker 1>into it. I don't know if it's going to turn

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<v Speaker 1>out to be true or not, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we've crossed some sort of line. It disturbs me well,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, and then we'll let you comment. Lonnie. The

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<v Speaker 1>headline the headline in a news story in the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Post is Trump campaign trots out former business associate of

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Biden ahead of debate. Good lord, I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post engaged in journalism. Well, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of that that We've talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, people have expected the media in the

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<v Speaker 1>past to play the role of watchdog right to help

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<v Speaker 1>to help us uncover stories, and they've done a good

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<v Speaker 1>job of it in the past. The problem we're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>now I do think that missing this is absolutely true

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, everybody in the media, all of these reporters,

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<v Speaker 1>they all have their own biases. It's natural the human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>The question is how much does that bias seep into

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<v Speaker 1>what they're trying to do day to day and and

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<v Speaker 1>for them to still call it objective journalism in many

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<v Speaker 1>cases I think is a big problem, and we just

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<v Speaker 1>have to recognize that there is this bias, there is

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<v Speaker 1>this point of view, and that's what we're getting and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's being reflected. But look, I think there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of great journalists out there. I think there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people doing their jobs. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the industry as a whole, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say probably of them voting for Biden, not five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of their boding right, And so I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that makes its way into what is supposedly objective, and

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<v Speaker 1>that disconnect between what it's supposed to be and what

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<v Speaker 1>it actually is. That's where people lose trust, and that

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<v Speaker 1>people have lost trust. I have a rent to go

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<v Speaker 1>off on, but I won't do it until you've headed

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<v Speaker 1>back to your real life. Lone. He but what we've

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<v Speaker 1>lost is not a minor point. It's incredibly important principle

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<v Speaker 1>of journalism. But having said that, I want to circle

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<v Speaker 1>back to the debate for a second. What how do

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<v Speaker 1>you assess A Biden's performance? Um, I thought he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually the first hour I thought was very good for him. Overall.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that he came across. Actually it's pretty cogent,

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<v Speaker 1>more cogent than I than I thought. He saw he

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<v Speaker 1>looked in the first debate. The last half hour was

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<v Speaker 1>it was a hot mess. I think, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>he started to talk about energy and the oil, get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of oil, the Green New Deal stuff. Uh, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the conversation around North Korea was a little incoherent too.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought the first hour pretty good. Hold in

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<v Speaker 1>his own last half hour hot mess. Yeah, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how many people stuck around for the last half hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly If you go in fifteen minute increments, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the effect of the first of fifteen minutes is ten

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<v Speaker 1>times the effect of the last fifteen minutes. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>just because of yourship has just because I know you

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<v Speaker 1>you've been involved in campaigns and you've you know, studied

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing, you being lan he Chen most

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<v Speaker 1>of the Crossing Lines with Lana Chen podcast. Has there

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<v Speaker 1>ever been a presidential candidate of one of the two

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<v Speaker 1>major parties two weeks out from an election that just

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<v Speaker 1>stayed in the basement all week long? Has that ever happened? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know that there was so called Rose

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<v Speaker 1>Guarden strategy that's been run a few times by incub

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<v Speaker 1>in presidents. But usually this is like the stretch run, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you've got to be out there. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be making your point to the to the voters

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<v Speaker 1>in a pretty aggressive way. And I think there's an

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<v Speaker 1>expectation of that. The fact that Joe Biden doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a more active schedule, that he's not out there more. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, their campaign obviously thinks that is the best

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<v Speaker 1>way for him to be successful, right. They obviously think

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<v Speaker 1>that if he gets out there, if he's out there

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<v Speaker 1>speaking and and and letting people see him, that that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to produce a moment that's going to be a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only reason you keep a guy, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>only reason you keep a guy locked up like that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of a guy hit into three oh

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<v Speaker 1>one who takes himself out of the last game of

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<v Speaker 1>the year in baseball. It's chicken Bleepum. What's the rostar strategy?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm intrigued. Well, I mean, it's it's it's just this

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<v Speaker 1>concept that basically, you know, you you do everything you

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<v Speaker 1>can basically running from the This was more applicable to

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<v Speaker 1>income and president. The idea of being that you use

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<v Speaker 1>the majesty and the pageantry of the White House and

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<v Speaker 1>you basically just stay there and you do events and

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<v Speaker 1>think at the White House, but you don't actually get

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<v Speaker 1>that out there in campaign. The goal of the strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is to remain in people that you are

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<v Speaker 1>the president, to remind people of things you've done. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit different than in this situation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because in this situation it's a guy who's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>become the president, who's the challenger, and it's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>different if you've got him in his basement versus if

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<v Speaker 1>it were Trump, let's say at the White House, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you could say, okay, he's got a road guards,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, Okay, I know, no Harvard Law School graduate

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<v Speaker 1>who bleeds more Dodger Blue than you do. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you feeling? Uh? You know? I mean, look, the ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>of night always still still still are there, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that this team has has been in good situations before,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't like them going out and losing Game two,

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<v Speaker 1>breaking ball coming. It's actually one one signal on the

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<v Speaker 1>trash candle. It not too you see he is hardcore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. No. So look I'm hopeful. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they've got the more talented team, so I have

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<v Speaker 1>more expensive team the championship. Yeah, they've got a bigger payroll,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. See. My problem is I'm always getting

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<v Speaker 1>the Houston Astros mixed up with Paul Revere, one if

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<v Speaker 1>by Land, etcetera. Lanh Chen, who is the David Diane

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<v Speaker 1>Staffy Fellow in American Public Policy Studies Whoever institution, hosted

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast Crossing Lines with lanha Chen. Lanie, we could

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you all day about this stuff and have

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<v Speaker 1>better things to do than indulge a couple of half wits,

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