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Speaker 3: Let's roll. Welcome to another episode of The Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I am John Schmelk. You recognize this guy, Sean O'Haras

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion and guys, as I've mentioned on a

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Speaker 3: previous episode, we're gonna have huddles five days a week

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Speaker 3: now during the season, and our staple on Tuesday is

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Speaker 3: he here shooting all his TV stuffs. Who's gonna give

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Speaker 3: us some time is the great Sean o'harras. Sean, It's

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Speaker 3: good to have you man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John, great to see you. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: We got to come up with a branding segment for

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Speaker 1: the Tuesday. I don't know what would call it Fat Tuesdays?

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Speaker 1: Do we call it Talker?

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Speaker 3: I think we got to call it the Center Exchange.

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Speaker 3: Shall WeLive Our Glories days from like two thousand and

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Speaker 2: We're turning back the clock the time right there.

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Speaker 3: And if anybody listening to this knows what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: You are our core audience. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: sticking with us for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, that was a grainy That was

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Speaker 2: probably grainy footage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that might have been on a beta or that

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Speaker 3: I think we actually were recording that on beta back then.

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Speaker 3: Believe or not, I think we actually were real film.

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Speaker 2: So this is great.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna have Sean on Tuesday. Usually we're gonna

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Speaker 3: be doing more reacting to the previous week's game visit.

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Speaker 3: By this time each week, Sean I will have gone

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Speaker 3: through the tape and we can kind of get into

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Speaker 3: some of the deeper tape stuff from the game on Sundays. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: no game that we're going to talk about this week.

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Speaker 3: We're going to look ahead to Dallas a little bit

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Speaker 3: and we'll do some of that in our future shows

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Speaker 3: as well. Usually these will be around twenty or so minutes.

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Speaker 3: We're a little backed up against BBK today, so maybe

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Speaker 3: be closer to fifteen. We'll see how it goes. So

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Speaker 3: Sean Giants Cowboys Week one. I hate playing the division

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Speaker 3: rival in Week one because I want to see these

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Speaker 3: two teams figure out who they are and then see

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Speaker 3: him play in the middle of October. That's what I

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Speaker 3: want as a player. Is that what you want? Or

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Speaker 3: is this fun for you that you can kind of

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Speaker 3: kick off the season wing bamboom right away division rival.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting debate, and I think to your point,

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Speaker 1: it's like, hey, if you can play an AFC team

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Speaker 2: A little bit more, or the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that aspect of it. I'll say this

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Speaker 1: anytime we could open Week.

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Speaker 2: One with Dallas. I'm all for all the players. I

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Speaker 2: want it.

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Speaker 1: Give me, give me the juice, give me, give me

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Speaker 1: all all of the smoke. I want it all Week

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Speaker 1: one and it's Sunday night football.

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Speaker 2: I love the fact that it's at home.

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that Giants fans get to experience

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Speaker 1: that because the the electricity at Medlock Stadium is going

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Speaker 1: to be palpable and everybody wear blue. Right, We've got

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Speaker 1: a blue out coming, Giant. I've played Dallas numerous times

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Speaker 1: in Week one. I feel like every year in Week one,

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Speaker 1: it was always down in Dallas. It was so I

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Speaker 1: liked that aspect of it. And to your point, we

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Speaker 1: It was a great feeling to be want to know

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Speaker 1: you've already got a divisional win and you beat one

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Speaker 1: a great springboard. The alternative is true. If things don't

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Speaker 2: But I love this matchup.

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that the Dallas Cowboys are They've

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Speaker 1: got some change. Kellen Moore is no longer go Offen's

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Speaker 1: I like where the Giants are right now. This time

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Speaker 1: last year, I think I would have a different feel

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Speaker 1: and different vibe. So I'm glad we played them Week

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Speaker 1: three lo and behold, Cooper Rush was actually the quarterback

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Speaker 1: So there's always those variable changes. But I think this

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Speaker 1: Giants team is in a totally different place this year.

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Speaker 1: You're two of the of Brian Dable being the head coach,

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Speaker 1: you're two of Mike Kafka's offense and Dables offense, and

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's build on the big picture thing

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Speaker 3: before we get into the matchup specifically first, because I

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Speaker 3: think you just hit it right. How much do you

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Speaker 3: think and I've used this phrase of billion times I'm

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Speaker 3: tired of it already. Have the Giants closed the gap

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Speaker 3: you think from a talent perspective with Dallas and Philly

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Speaker 3: given everything they've done this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great question. I think the Giants are a better team,

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Speaker 1: in the team last year, totally from a talent standpoint. Now,

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Speaker 1: the two biggest things I'll start with the offense, two

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Speaker 1: or get better. Really, I mean, that's what it is

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Speaker 1: is blocking, Like in the division. We were awful against

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Speaker 1: You go back and you look at the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: to block Micah Parsons. No, he wasn't the issue. It

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Speaker 2: To be better at that.

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Speaker 1: Evan Neil is going to be better last year as

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Speaker 1: That's going to be better. We're going to be better

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Speaker 1: as an offense too, about how do we gain plan

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Speaker 1: that can't happen now. Look, Dallas has always had good

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Speaker 1: really change. Defensively, We've got to get more pressure. I

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Speaker 1: look at Keavon Thibodeau in that second Dallas game. He

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Speaker 1: So those are the two biggest things that jump out

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Speaker 1: gotten better in the division. We also drafted John Michael Schmidt.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a huge factor.

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Speaker 3: Evan Neil's got to take a step.

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Speaker 1: Why why did we draft John Michael Schmidt in the

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Speaker 1: because you look at the division. What's Philly doing. Philly

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Speaker 1: regrouping from a passer standpoint. So that's where the Giants

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: How do you think the Cowboys gonna utilize Michael Parsons

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Speaker 3: this week? Are we gonna see him over Evan Neil

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Speaker 3: most of the time? You think it'll be Andrew Thomas?

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Speaker 3: gonna see him stand up in stunt in the middle

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Speaker 3: a lot? How do you think that matchup is gonna

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Speaker 3: play itself out? Because you know, Dan Quinn and Mike

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Speaker 3: play chess against each other with Parsons and Lawns and

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Speaker 3: all those other pass rushers the Cowboys have.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna move him around. I don't think

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that is because they

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Speaker 1: Parson as well as DeMarcus Lawrence is to rush five.

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Speaker 1: the five down fronts.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that we have seen them do is

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Speaker 1: a five down front means center's covered, both guards are covered,

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Speaker 1: do that five down defense. Look and you could see

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons in the middle lined up as the Mike

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Speaker 1: may be dropping, but that when Michael Parson is lined

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Speaker 1: up as the linebacker inside, he's blitzing.

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Speaker 3: The a gap almost like that that what is that

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Speaker 3: called the joker roll a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Right right, that's like the joker role.

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Speaker 1: When you see Michael Parsons inside and a linebacker, he's

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Speaker 3: And Dallas kind of has that same Nascar pass gage

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll bring out that speed group.

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Speaker 1: And nothing's more frustrating than being on a fourteen play

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Speaker 1: So we're gassed and they got fresh legs, all right.

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Speaker 3: The other matchup I want to focus on is Dallas's

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is a redemption trail for Mike

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Speaker 1: Like some way, shape or form, Now, Wink Martindale. We

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Speaker 1: You can't give up the big play. I think that's

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Speaker 2: I can't have that.

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Speaker 1: So that's the one thing. Especially week one, it's tough.

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Speaker 1: I call it slobby September. The first week of the season,

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Speaker 1: be interesting matchup. But Dorri Jackson, I think part of

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Speaker 1: all of that, We've talked about that, but you look

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Speaker 1: but that's why you do that. So I think that

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Speaker 3: Yea, in their last year win did call as much

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Speaker 3: we talked about some of the matchups that could give

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it looks like Wilson, the safety for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: I think that will really help out in the run

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Speaker 2: Sean, this is so much fun.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait for this with all year. Man, here

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Speaker 2: That's a pH all right, I hope. So yeah.

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Speaker 3: Giving you a weigh like one hundred and seventy five

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