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Speaker 2: Donks look at us now, tip to tip. This is

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Fueled by watermelon, vape, low t and irrational confidence,

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Speaker 2: you stumbled upon the best damn combat sports show period.

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Speaker 2: This is Morning Combat. This is Friday, July twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. And my name is that Beije bastard

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Speaker 2: half of the of the of the of the greatest

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Speaker 2: It's Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Hi, BC, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Luke, Thank you very much. Luke. As

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Speaker 2: the people watch this, I'm currently on a cruise ship

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Speaker 2: as we pre taped this bit of business right here.

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Speaker 2: But you better believe brohim that we're gonna hit them hard,

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Speaker 2: high and low with nothing but UFC two seven seven

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Speaker 2: Nez Payna two Showtime Championship Boxing with the return of

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Speaker 2: Danny Garcia. Yes, Luke, we got a loaded show for them.

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Speaker 1: We do what hits harder? This show?

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Speaker 3: Or my daughter waking me up at five point thirty

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Speaker 3: in the morning to ask me if I like Zebras?

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Speaker 2: Did she do it by punching you in the nads?

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Speaker 2: Or like the Blue Springsteen Glory Days video using the

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Speaker 2: Honey, I like Turtles. Yeah, yeah, I mean Zebras are fine. Hey, Luke,

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Speaker 2: on right here? Luke does he is it a winner?

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Speaker 2: Does it work for me? I'm trying to support the

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Speaker 2: very much, Luke. Any any pleasantries, any any future plans?

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Speaker 1: We'll get a good show.

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Speaker 2: big awards, you're looking at us right now at Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: So here's one last plea for this specific category and

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Speaker 2: QR code right now doesn't take you that long. Maybe

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Speaker 2: WWF in your house gimmick where one lucky fan gets

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Speaker 2: People don't realize. Brett used to be my quarterback. I

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Speaker 2: with this question. Stylistically, technically, we assume this fight's going

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, and the question, of course

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Speaker 1: How much of this is fixable? Right, because you know,

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Speaker 2: be looking at that as an ow and Luke, it's

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Speaker 2: it's interesting for all the debate about why the first

433
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,479
Speaker 2: fight went, wait it did, I think we can agree

434
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 2: on this principle. It was the worst fight of Amanda

435
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 2: Nuna's elite career and up against the by far the

436
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 2: best night of Juliana Pena's elite career. But that was

437
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 2: the first fight. Now it's over. How does it change

438
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 2: the second fight? And I think when you look at it, Luke,

439
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,679
Speaker 2: it's like we have to figure out which anomaly in

440
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 2: this case is more likely to repeat. Is it more

441
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 2: likely than Amanda nunas after a twelve fight ridiculous wind

442
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: streak in which she's knocking out and finishing Hall of

443
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 2: Famer after Hall of Famer. Is it more likely that

444
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 2: she can have a flat tire or a second time,

445
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 2: or is it more likely that Juliana Pinna can put

446
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: forth the ConA performance that I'm sorry if you watched

447
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 2: her last four fights leading up when she went to

448
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 2: and two and got stopped twice, you just didn't see

449
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: it in that Luke, So what's more likely to happen

450
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: in this rematch that that newness you know, suffers the

451
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: continuation of a decline or that PAINA can can be

452
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: that person She was at UFC two sixty nine, which

453
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 2: was just inspiring. I mean, Luke, I got goosebumps rewatching

454
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: that fight interview. There was something special that took place

455
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 2: that night. But lightning's got to strike twice for it

456
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: to happen again. It really does, Luke, And I know

457
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: that that's looked at his disrespect to Painya. But unless

458
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: this goes to the deep end of the water, The history,

459
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: the stats, the video proof, it's all telling you that

460
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: it's Amanda working behind that jab and slowly breaking Juliana down.

461
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: And Amanda did admit it on the Countdown show that

462
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 2: in round two she took way too many strikes that

463
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Speaker 2: she normally would have dodged or would have stood back from.

464
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: And Luke, whether it's fatigue, whether it's oh my god,

465
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: who is this creature in front of me that won't

466
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: go away? She bought in on the brawl and it

467
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: cost her. I can't see us seeing the same exact

468
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 2: Amanda physically again. I just can't see that happening, Luke.

469
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: I believe what she says with the knee injury. I

470
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: don't think she's making excuses. This is going to be

471
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: a much much different fight the second time around. The

472
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: real question in that, though, is what can Paina do

473
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 2: that she hasn't done yet that can win a totally

474
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: different fight against somebody this great.

475
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I share your analysis.

476
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, baying it, Luke, but I'm feeling the.

477
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: Jab with Amanda Nunez.

478
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: That was what got her in trouble because of the

479
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: dipping jab of Juliana Pena. She was going right past

480
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: her and then that would bring her into position and

481
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 3: she was getting hit over the top, left and right.

482
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Speaker 1: She had no answer for it. She doesn't faint. Amanda

483
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: Nuna is.

484
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 3: Really hardly a little bit but not not much, and

485
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: she didn't have a technical answer for that. Now obviously

486
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 3: have something she can work on here, but we'll have

487
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 3: to see how she does. But the reality is this,

488
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, what's one way she could counteract some

489
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 3: of the four pressure and that aggressiveness that Pina could bring.

490
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: She could get she could wait till she blitzes, then

491
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Speaker 3: get underneath, go for a takedown and potentially do ground

492
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 3: and pound, but that's gonna involve her taxing system. You

493
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: could say, well, what about just clinching, But if she

494
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: clinches and does anything other than dirty boxing, what she

495
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: could do? I mean that actually would be something pretty

496
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: interesting to see here or try, because I think she

497
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: could probably do it pretty well. But if she needs

498
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: it all, some of those might get caught and she

499
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: risks getting pushed off balance, and then you have a

500
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: grappling affair there. It's not that I don't think a

501
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: man in Unist can grapple very well. I think she

502
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: probably is as good as Penya, potentially even a little

503
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: bit better. But that's not the question about who's technically better.

504
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 3: The question is who has more who has a more

505
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: aggressive capacity for volume action in that kind of ground attack,

506
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: And the answer there is Julian Openia by a mile.

507
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: It's not really so clear to me that a man

508
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: in Unist can like she can't avoid the ground altogether,

509
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 3: But like inviting that seems kind of suspect.

510
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like you.

511
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: Can't point to things that are wrong in Juliana Penna's game,

512
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 3: including in ways in which she won the first fight.

513
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: But I'm just here to tell you I'm a little

514
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: skeptical about a man of noon ass chances here. Now,

515
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: I want to be very very clear, I don't have

516
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: a fucking clue what's going to happen in this fight.

517
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 3: It is very possible that a man in unist could

518
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: go in there have a good answer for the jabs

519
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: and the style of jabs that who the opinion was

520
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: throwing is back to the leg kick. She's push kicking,

521
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: and she just takes her head off, Like would that

522
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: really be surprising? Not necessarily, But if it is true

523
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 3: that Penya can take men in UNA's best shot, we'll see.

524
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: But if it is true, and if it is true

525
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: that her aggression and work rate is just a bad

526
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: matchup for someone like Amanda Nunez, you know, you can

527
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 3: say again, someone might have someone else's number and not

528
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: actually be better than them. In totality, someone might have

529
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: someone else's number and not have the same kind of

530
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: career that they had.

531
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Speaker 1: Overall, I'm willing.

532
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 3: I'm willing to believe, you see, I'm willing to believe

533
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 3: many of the things that went wrong the first time

534
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: won't be here the second time. I do think this

535
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: will be a different fight. I do think it potentially

536
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: will either go very short or very long. I don't

537
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: think it'll be that two round space like it was

538
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: the last time. But I also think that a lot

539
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: of people are surfing reputationally off who Amanda Nunez is

540
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: and not really looking at how these two actually match

541
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: up and why Pinya's win was not at all an

542
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: at accident.

543
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: Now, I agree with you on the totality of the

544
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: final statement, and we talked about that on Wednesday. When

545
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: you rewatch that dipping jab, you're talking about the left hook,

546
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: the lot of things she did beyond just standing in there,

547
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: taking a big shot and outlasting the bully. Agreed, there's

548
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: obviously a lot of pressure on Amanda in her new

549
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: camp at Lioni's studio. They're leaving att that she can

550
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: not only right the wrongs of what happened in the

551
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: disastrous camp last time, but you know, carry out the

552
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: right game plan to win this. But I want to

553
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: ask you what the foundation of your skepticism concerning Newness's

554
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 2: chances in the rematch is. Is it more on the

555
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: idea that she might be just thirty four and been

556
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: through too many wars against great ones and that might

557
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: be it, or is your skepticism on what she didn't

558
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: do when these two strikers matched up, particularly in round

559
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: two of their first fight, because if it's the latter, Luke,

560
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: I do agree with her on this. You're right, she

561
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: doesn't have enough fainting against you know, against somebody who

562
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: can strike on her level, but anybody that had been

563
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: on her level that she struck with from Chefcha go

564
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: to home, dude, She's carried herself very damn well. This

565
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: is really the first fight where it all fell apart

566
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: on the feet. So as much as Juliana's step in

567
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: jab and some of the things she was doing was

568
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: very effective, dude, I think we do have to be

569
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: honest and say that was a gassed, diminished Amanda in

570
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: round two of that first fight. That completely like Cyborg

571
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: against Amanda, completely just dropped the idea of defense head

572
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: movement set up in strategy and was just like, let

573
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: me just come in there with these bursts to try

574
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: to finish this gnat that won't stop annoying me. Is

575
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: your skepticism that Juliana might have her number, not just

576
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: from a toughness standpoint, but from a striking skill, technique,

577
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: game plan standpoint, because I don't see that, Luke, what fight.

578
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: Would you say Amanda Nunas showed good head movement in.

579
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: Well, if you want to break it down that specifically,

580
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: like the people that get on me for calling her

581
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: a good boxer under the UFC sense, I get what

582
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: you're saying. But Luke, she went five rounds in a

583
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: rematch Chefchenko and won the chess match. Now, I thought

584
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: Chefchenko when there's that debate, but it was a close

585
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: ass fight. She went in there against Holly Holm, who

586
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: was a decorated striker we all thought could take her

587
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: deep and just head kicked her to hell like we are. Really,

588
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: I think you're going down a long road to hope.

589
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: If you believe newness is striking will be as bad

590
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: as it was in this fight against Pandya look at it.

591
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it.

592
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be as bad. No, No, that's

593
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: not what I'm suggesting. But what I am suggesting is

594
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: there are fundamental flaws in every fighter's game, no matter

595
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: how good and how poor. And when someone gets very

596
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: good and has a lot of success, people tend to

597
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: just stop looking at those flaws or pretending that they

598
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: don't exist or that they don't matter, and pinions like

599
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: they do matter. Someone just has to find a way

600
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: to bring them to life. Against Home, the way she

601
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 3: was able to do that was to keep distance. She

602
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: was able to score a little bit with the jabs.

603
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: She had a good low kick herself, but really it

604
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: was Home trying those oblique kicks. She got caught in

605
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: mid range kind of throwing with her hands down or

606
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: trying to push with her hands down, balancing on one leg,

607
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: and it was just brilliant timing and shots election and

608
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: a man of un has put her lights up. But

609
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: you got to the Durando me fight. She was constantly

610
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: looking for the takedown on top. I go back to this,

611
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: Amna Unas does have a good ground game. It's not

612
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: like she's some scrub on the ground. That's not what

613
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But she is much much better and more

614
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: active and more useful at it. When there is a

615
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: clear difference in ability and a clear difference in what

616
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: someone can do with the relevant energy expenditure there against

617
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: Pina in that sense, it's not really a fruitful endeavor

618
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: for her. Now on the feet again, if she maintains distance,

619
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: if she keeps it in a kickboxing range, and she

620
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: carves up Juliana Pena starting with the leg kicks and

621
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 3: then working her way into range.

622
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: I think that's a.

623
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: Totally winnable game plan that wouldn't surprise me even a

624
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 3: little bit to see that. But what I am saying

625
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: is a person like Painya, she will take punishment to

626
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: overwhelm someone like Amna Nunas positionally standing is what I mean,

627
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: and that was a huge problem for her in the

628
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: first fight. Do I necessarily see her being able to

629
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: stop that over the course of five rounds, Yes, potentially,

630
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: But I also see a very decent chance that Julianna Pagna,

631
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 3: in a much slower and more painful way, can methodically

632
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: overwhelm her positionally get into clinch scenarios. Level change forced

633
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: her to work along the fence line and then turned

634
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: her from this kind of devastating striker to that one again.

635
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: I know this, It seems impossible because we're again you

636
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: have to throw out reputations and their records and mount

637
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: rushmore this and go that fuck all that nonsense. You

638
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 3: have to pay attention to what skills they bring to

639
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: this particular fight, each of them their strengths and their deficiencies,

640
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna say it one more time for all

641
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: of the bad things that went wrong for Aman in Nunez,

642
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 3: which I am totally sympathetic to, that is not the

643
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: full explanation of why she lost. She she has flaws

644
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: in her game that Painia was just uniquely able to

645
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: take advantage of.

646
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: I agree with that, but respectfully, Luke, I think those

647
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: flaws only emerged because of how disastrous Newness's game plan

648
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: I'm sorry gas Tank was by the start of round

649
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: two because of the yank of the Kamura mixed with

650
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: if you're gonna take Newness at face value in Awful Camp,

651
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: which had the knee injury, did it have the lingering

652
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: COVID battle effects?

653
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

654
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: Some people speculate that My whole point is unless Juliana

655
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: can force legitimate chaos in the first half of this fight,

656
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: that causes that type of fight or flight scenario where

657
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: a Manda' is like, oh shit, man, I guess I'm

658
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: just gonna go for broke. I don't think those striking

659
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: situations come into play now. Obviously we're gonna have to

660
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: watch it it's gonna have to play out. Could Amanda,

661
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: Could it just have caught up with Amanda. Yes, it's

662
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: very possible. It's just hard for me to believe that

663
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: it's just the wheels fall office that I don't know.

664
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: I did have a little bit of this feeling different scenarios,

665
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: but I did have a little bit of this feeling

666
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: entering the second Frankie Edgar BJ Penn match up, Luke

667
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: or I thought maybe maybe BJ just got caught wrong guy,

668
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: wrong night, wrong game plan, ability to come in and

669
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: out in box, you know, and then he did the

670
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: exact same thing in the rematch, Luke. Different situations. Sometimes

671
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: people have their numbers. Sometimes one on rising stock is

672
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: coming on as the other one's fading, and we don't

673
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: really realize that. I just don't think that this is

674
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: the case. I've reexamined the first fight so many times

675
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: and it just screams disastrous, worst case scenario. So to

676
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: win this rematch, keeping distance Nuna's key. She showed she

677
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: can do that. She showed she could play chess against

678
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: Chefchenko and win that type of fight. Luke, I just

679
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: think that we have to take into account how hard

680
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Nuna strikes It's why when you asked me what fights

681
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: has she showing great head movement. She doesn't always show

682
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: the most perfect boxing, but she shows accuracy and ridiculous power.

683
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: And while I'm here to give Juliana otherworldly credit for

684
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: standing in as her eyes getting swollen and just taking

685
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: bombs and refusing to let that effect her, her body's

686
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: not going to be able to hold up. If Amanda

687
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 2: is allowed for two to three rounds to start to

688
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: have these type of moments consistently, there's gonna be cuts,

689
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: there's gonna be bad swelling. It is so key, in

690
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: my opinion, Luke, for Juliana to not only force chaos early,

691
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: but to force it in a pretty dramatic way early.

692
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: And maybe that's again trying to go to the ground.

693
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: Maybe that's trying some things, but you try shit against

694
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: a fresh Amanda Noon as you're getting knocked out, Luke.

695
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: And maybe she's got a better chin than the rest

696
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: of the division, in a better will power, but her face,

697
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if it can hold up for five.

698
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: If Amanda can control the terms of the fight, which

699
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: she has done such an incredible job against one elite

700
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: FO after another. In doing I think That's why the

701
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: odds are exactly the way they are, and that's why Luke,

702
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: I gotta go with the lion this the second time.

703
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: I gotta do it, and I almost. I was close

704
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: the other day. I was close, man, because I love

705
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: what Juliana brings to the table. But Luke, as much

706
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: as there's a referendum here on Amanda's new camp and

707
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: new team, isn't there the same referendum on coach rich

708
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: Little and Juliana to win this fight completely differently than

709
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: the first.

710
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to win it differently at all. No,

711
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: I think they.

712
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Can go so wait, wait, So you believe it's possible

713
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: to recreate what happened in that first round, like that

714
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: knee injury, that bad camp. That has to matter.

715
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: It does when you like when you Maybe I'm not

716
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: clear on what you mean by winning differently, but here's

717
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to get at. I first of all,

718
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: I agree with one thing very much with you, which

719
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: is I've had long conversations with Dean Thomas about a

720
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: man in noon as his power, and Dean is many things,

721
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: but he's never lied to me, and he's never told

722
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: me something where I mean everyone's right and wrong, but

723
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: he's never told me something from experience that didn't bear fruit. Later,

724
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: I take his wisdom and I take his insight clearly,

725
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: and he has told me her power is noble shit.

726
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: I believe that.

727
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: I believe that it would it be crazy BC if

728
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: she landed one overhand, right that you know, Pinya zigs

729
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: when she's supposed to zag, and she gets her lights

730
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: put out. That would not be surprising even a little bit,

731
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: be like, oh yeah, I'm in Noonas can fucking thump

732
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: like maybe more than any other women we've ever seen.

733
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: Uh So that's not I don't doubt that at all,

734
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: Which is why I like the mark, which is why

735
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: I like Pina's style of victory is a little perilous, right,

736
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of predicated on eating a little bit

737
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: of damage. But part of the reason she was able

738
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: to eat so many punches in the first fight was

739
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: because she had aman A. Noona is so off balance,

740
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: and you go back and watch how many times she

741
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: is throwing she never has her feet under her. She's

742
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: kind of like backing up and like winging shots and

743
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 3: these like you know, off one foot and stuff like that.

744
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: It just wasn't a good shot. But to answer the

745
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: question about like, do I think she can win the

746
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: same way, Well, I don't mean to say that the

747
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: fight would look the same.

748
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: I don't.

749
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: That's not exactly what I'm pointing out. What I am

750
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: saying is and being an active grappler, forcing clinch scenarios,

751
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: threatening takedowns, pushing against the fence if you get taken down,

752
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: working from underneath, a reverse position right where you're not

753
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: letting the other person kind of settle into ground and

754
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: pound scenarios, and then on the feet, driving into position,

755
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: pushing a man a nonas off balance. Do I think

756
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: she could repeat those a second time? Yeah, you bet

757
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: your fucking ass. I think she could do that a

758
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: second time. And I think part of that probably will

759
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 3: show up.

760
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: Wow, you love bbl's look.

761
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: Is she really one? Though?

762
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: Like to be a BBL like it's you know, it

763
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: either requires surgery, a certains level of genetics, or like,

764
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: you know, maybe being a little out of shape.

765
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: Believe that topic exactly where it is. I'm so fascinated

766
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: because this does have the because the first fight played

767
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: out kind of like a street fight, right, you know.

768
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: I'm so fascinated at what this could look like. So, Luke,

769
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: if Newnas can hold the distance in the ground in theory, Luke,

770
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: I think she should make she should be a counterpuncher

771
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: in this fight Amanda Nunas, and she should really make

772
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: Juliana have to come to her. Really. I mean, look,

773
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 2: Juliana did very well in that first round and having

774
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: an active guard and almost being in a perpetual state

775
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: of fainting that I think did freeze Amanda. And when

776
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: you do that to people, think of what Tysion Fury

777
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: did to Deontay Wilder. It just takes away their jab

778
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: because if you don't know when they're really coming forward,

779
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: you're not going to make that risk of overextending and

780
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 2: getting caught. So again, let's bring back in the respect

781
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: for what Juliana can do. But Luke, I'm making if

782
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: I'm Amanda, Juliana over extend and have to come and

783
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: try to finish me, and that could lead to long

784
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: stretches of slower activity, which like the second Chef Tchenko fight,

785
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: I think is going to favorite Newness. The more she

786
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: can make this a poised chess match, She's got the king,

787
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, She's got the king finisher there.

788
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: What do you think Pinya's reaction would be to a

789
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: almost passive counterpunching Nunas looking to say, all right, if

790
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna win this fight, I need to win it

791
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: in the championship rounds or make Juliana walk into something.

792
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: But I want to be I want to still be

793
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: there in those championship rounds.

794
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: I think it'd be a mistake to counterfeight. I think

795
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: it'd be a big mistake by Amanda Nunas. How come, dude,

796
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 3: you got someone who loves to go forward. Now if

797
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: you have a good answer for them coming forward to

798
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: your point, but it might be oh, you could catch

799
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: them coming in. Maybe maybe that's something I think she

800
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: does have. Again, she's got vicious power, so that could

801
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: be a thing, But she doesn't have blinding speed. She

802
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 3: has big power and good timing. That usually is enough.

803
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: But I I have a feeling that if you're backing

804
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: up and you're letting Amanda, you're letting Juliana Penia walk

805
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: into you, She's gonna level change clanch I press you

806
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: into the fence, which is just a place she doesn't

807
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: want to be.

808
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: Surely you would agree with me that.

809
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: It's not to say Amanda Unas again doesn't have power

810
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: to win in a lot of different places, but one

811
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: of the places that probably wouldn't work to the biggest

812
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 3: advantage would be with her back along the fence.

813
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Right. You would surely agree with me there.

814
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: I think if you're playing a game where you're backing

815
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 3: up and you're letting a Juliana Penna have that, you're

816
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: you're gonna give the fight away.

817
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: I think she actually needs to do the opposite.

818
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: She needs to put Juliana Penna on her fucking heels,

819
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: and I think also taking away a little bit of

820
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: that base that she has on a Pinia does a

821
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: lot of fainting off of that front leg. She does

822
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: a lot of step fainting, a lot of leaning like that,

823
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: And that's one of the reasons why that leg kick

824
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: was so awesome for her for Amanda Unas in the

825
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: first fight, in the first round, because she was kicking

826
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: it out and her base was going right underneath her.

827
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 3: She was falling over constantly. Dude, go back to that.

828
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: Take away the foundation of her movement. Take away the

829
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: foundation of her balance, take away the foundation of her

830
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: structures that allows her to pressure to begin with. I

831
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: think that's a much better game plan. I think if

832
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: you see that, a man new is gonna win, no problem.

833
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: But I think if she's backing up and letting a

834
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: pressure fighter get back to their pressure when she doesn't

835
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: have I'm not saying Men of Noon As at her

836
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: best has a terrible guess sting, but you would not

837
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: say it's like a dramatically awesome one. It's not probably

838
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: not better than ben Paynia's Now. I think if she's

839
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 3: finding herself along the fence line, that's just not a

840
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: place she wants to be. In an ideal scenario, it's

841
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: the opposite. You want Paynya backing up, fearful, getting her

842
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: legs chopped to pieces, working behind what you're doing, and

843
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: setting the terms there.

844
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: Also, Luke, I know this has suddenly turned into BC

845
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: Amanda Nuna's apologist hour, which didn't plan.

846
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: To be, or Luke Thomas Juliana Penio apologist hour, depending

847
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: on one's perspective.

848
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: But one of the sort of warning signs ahead of

849
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: that first fight was okay, this Amanda's first one hundred

850
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: and thirty five pound bow in two years. Right, she

851
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: had been off defending at featherweight so if you have

852
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: a fractured camp, a compromise camp, and you're cutting down

853
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: to an area you haven't benefit. I look, it all

854
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: just played together to be a damn perfect storm. It's

855
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: gonna need a jab though from Amanda, and I do

856
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: have pause from what I talked about that active guard

857
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: that can freeze it. Yeah, you're right. It goes a

858
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: little bit deeper than just show up and be in

859
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: great shape Amanda, and you've got this fight. Do I

860
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: have some concerns if this fight goes to around four

861
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: and five, that Juliana could be the bigger dog, could

862
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: have the deeper gastic of course, But Luke, it does

863
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: then come down to newness. You can't just play to

864
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: get to those championship rounds and like you said, be

865
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: too passive on the outside and looking at counter and

866
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: get yourself then in wrong scenarios you have to land steady,

867
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: consistent damage. You have to steady, steadily, consistently touched Juliana.

868
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: Because Luke, I just think and you just nailed it

869
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: with the power in the d Thomas quote. There's a

870
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: reason why people don't stand and last in front of

871
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: Amanda that long over that period of time. So for me.

872
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: That's gonna be the key early. Can Amanda land consistently

873
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: and can it be powerful? Can she make Juliana make

874
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 2: a mistake and do something she does doesn't want to do? Damn, damn,

875
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: I'm ready for this one. Luke, do you have a

876
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: official prediction?

877
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: Well?

878
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be this hedge bullshit where you're like,

879
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: I couldtorly see you'all being wrong and Juliana winning.

880
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: But I'm going with you.

881
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: Mean, do I do I have a rational take about

882
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: expectations in either gambling or predictions that you know is

883
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: entirely warranted. Yeah, you bet your fucking ass.

884
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: I do.

885
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: You're talking about Amna Nunez, who has fight ending power

886
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: from the opening bell. I mean, you can't look the

887
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 3: other way on that. That's that's real. I dude, I

888
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: take that very seriously. I want to be very clear here.

889
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: You know, don't come at me and being like, oh,

890
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: Amanda wins in thirty seconds f you, Luke?

891
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I can absolutely see.

892
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: Amanda winning, you know, with her vicious, vicious punching power.

893
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 3: I believe I don't think there's ever been a female puncher,

894
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 3: including even maybe Cyborg like her.

895
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: Cyborg is a bit of.

896
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: A flurry artist at times too. You know, a man

897
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 3: in Nuna sends people to the land of wind and ghosts,

898
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 3: and if Pina's not careful, she'll find herself there.

899
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Penya. I'm gonna go with Penia,

900
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: which I.

901
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: Know is crazy for a lot of folks, but that's

902
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: which is. They say ten and two, it's really ten

903
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: and one. If you really want to just be fair

904
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: about the spirit of what that underlies. It's not a

905
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: fucking coincidence, man, It's really not. And I feel like I,

906
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: by the way, do I think that Penya will hold

907
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: this title for very long, even assuming if she wins

908
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 3: on Saturday.

909
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: No, I don't.

910
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: I really feel like there's a lot of parody at

911
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: that division. She's shown a ton of different flaws. She

912
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: got submitted by Chefchenko. If Chefchenko goes back up there

913
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: and fights Penya, I would pick Chevchenko to beat her.

914
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: To be quite candid with you, like that's just the reality.

915
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: But in this particular fight, for this particular moment, I

916
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: think that the reasons that Amanda Noona has lost were myriad.

917
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: I take that seriously.

918
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: She can win, but I think Penya's probably got a

919
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: few things that are going to deprive Amanda from going

920
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: to the comfort zone she typically enjoys, and that will

921
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: be the difference.

922
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: Look, if it happens that you're gonna realize that that

923
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: mental edge, that that internal toughness is just next level,

924
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: and I don't think we're doubting that after that first

925
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: fight in Juliana, Penya. Maybe that's why. I mean, you know,

926
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: some people are surprised Yunas is a minus two eighty favorite,

927
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: But get you get plus two thirty five odds against

928
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: someone whos great as Nuna is, as Paina is getting here,

929
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: it's still a respectful nod, luke, even though it's a

930
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: little bit of a sure you know.

931
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: I understand why Amna Nunas is the betting favorite. I

932
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: really do.

933
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: I get it, But I don't know, man, I just

934
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: get a weird feeling that there's just a lot of

935
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: wishful thinking about Nunez and what she's done that has

936
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: it's not really respectful of why Paina won. And I

937
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: just feel, again, what are the individual ways in which

938
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: people match up? What are the reasons to the best

939
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: that we can ascertain about why they happen.

940
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: There's a good case for Payna here. I'm going to

941
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: side with that.

942
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk quickly about what could be next

943
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: here if Payna wins and if it is dominant. Yeah,

944
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: I could see Chefchenko coming up and them doing that fight.

945
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: It's a rematch. Chuck likes to make the case that

946
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: Juliana had moments before Valentina's you know, submitted her. It's

947
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: a huge fight.

948
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: It is what it is.

949
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: Are there any other bannam weights you know you mentioned

950
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: sort of parody and that, you know, Penya could lose

951
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: at any point. It's not like she's a lock to

952
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: get three four title defenses. But do you really look

953
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: up but down these bantam white rankings and see anyone

954
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: that you're like, oh, yeah, they could be all right.

955
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: I mean Kaitlyn Vieira Luke.

956
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: Kaitlyn viere is an interesting one. You know, you never

957
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: know how those two might match up because she you know,

958
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: she got her lights punched out by al Donna, but

959
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 3: she is quite good. The al Donna one is kind

960
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 3: of interesting too. Again, that would go back a little

961
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: bit there to some of the takedown issues.

962
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: Holly.

963
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: Holly is an interesting one, like how would Holly and

964
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: Juliana match up, because that would be a takedown issue, right,

965
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: you could see Holly sticking behind the jab, playing a

966
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: long game that giving her some problems.

967
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to see.

968
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: There's a lot of old, older i should say, fighters

969
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: at one thirty five, and we're waiting for the next gen.

970
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: And the next gen is good, but you don't see

971
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 3: it as like quite supplanting in the way that, for example,

972
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: it men's lightweight. You can see that next generation coming down,

973
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: you know, running down the hills at the at the

974
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: existing one. But again, it's not that Paenya doesn't have flaws.

975
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 3: She quite clearly does and you've seen them a million times.

976
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: And again, if Chefchenko moved up, I'm gonna say one

977
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: more time, I would pick Chefchenko to be Penia for sure,

978
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah.

979
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: And also the last person to beat her is Gdr

980
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: Durando me seems to only fight once a year, Luke,

981
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: But that'd be a rematch that could be something there

982
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: for the.

983
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: Title potentially do that as well.

984
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's just this is not a case for

985
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: me saying Pana is a long term belt holder in

986
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: this weight class. She might lose it on Saturday. But

987
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: even if she doesn't, I don't know that she's like

988
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: this dominant force. But styles make fights.

989
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: They damn do, all right, Lucas. Their scenario in which

990
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: Nunas wins this fight, but it's a great one.

991
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: You can talk about the comaan already.

992
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you what look?

993
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: Look?

994
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: UFC two seventy seven is not a loaded card. This

995
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: main event is the story of the card.

996
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Are you gonna make me do the whole card or not?

997
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: We're only forty minutes in. We're pretty much gonna have

998
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: nothing to talk about after Moreno and France. So can

999
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: you stop being a motherfucker for once and just enjoy

1000
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: the show and put out a good one? Luke?

1001
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean I do. I do love the show? All right.

1002
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: What's your question about Nuna's Is there.

1003
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: A scenario on which they go to an immediate third fight?

1004
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: Ooh ooh that's interesting. Well, I guess huh, that's a

1005
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: great question. Okay, So let me ask. So let's think

1006
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: this through.

1007
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: So if Amanda Nuns goes in there and within a

1008
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: single round does what she's been doing prior to the

1009
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 3: Penia fight, would there be an appetite for a third one.

1010
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1011
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: I think people would say, Aha, first fight, she was

1012
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: all messed up, she righted the wrongs.

1013
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: Now we're back on the path. Don't worry about it.

1014
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: There's that version, because then you can match her up

1015
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: with Chevchenko for a third time. I guess there'd be

1016
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: overwhelming demand at that point. Yeah, here's the question. You

1017
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: have to ask yourself. What has to happen for Amanda

1018
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: Nuns to a win but b for a pinya third

1019
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 3: fight to supersede a desire to see a third fight

1020
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: with Schevchenko. I think it would have to be very,

1021
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: very very controversial, like some kind of horrific scorecard are judging,

1022
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: some kind of agree he just referee mistake, something like that.

1023
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Other than that, I don't.

1024
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: Know what would supersede the desire to see a third

1025
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: fight with Shivchenko.

1026
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: Maybe a fight in which Amanda clearly loses the opening rounds,

1027
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: is kind of getting handled and then rallies for a finish.

1028
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 2: You know, also in play luke okay, so.

1029
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 3: Like if she if Pana wins the first three clearly

1030
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: ten to nine.

1031
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: Like boxing just jabbing her and you're like holy shit.

1032
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: But then NNAs makes a run, hurts her with a

1033
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: head kick. Finishers are worth punches. You're like, oh, I

1034
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: kind of have to see that again.

1035
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I just feel like, here's the thing. I

1036
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: think my personal hunch is that if Noonez goes in

1037
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: there and wins and it's you know, reasonably speaking, above board,

1038
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: maybe you could have gone this way or that way

1039
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: with a scorecard, but yeah, she was like the rightful

1040
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: winner or something like that. The next question is gonna

1041
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: be let's get these two champs together again, because Chefchenko

1042
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: is still the champ, and that in this case, in

1043
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: the case you're positing, Amanda Nunez would would then be

1044
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: the champion again. And then, by the way, you would

1045
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 3: have a fight where not all three belts are on

1046
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: the line. That wouldn't be the case, but you'd have

1047
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: three belts, certainly on posters or something like that.

1048
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: Could the UFC really pass that up. I don't know

1049
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: that they could pass that up.

1050
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: No, you could even put that as the battle for

1051
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: goat ship. As much as people hate that fucking bullshit,

1052
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: I get it all right, topic too, Luke. The co

1053
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: main event interim Flyway title on the line is former

1054
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: champion Brandon Moreno, fresh off dropping the belt back to Devison,

1055
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 2: Figuredo is still gonna be a minus two ten favorite

1056
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: in his zone rematch against a surging Quai Cotta France,

1057
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: who comes in at plus one point eighty according to Caesars.

1058
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: They fought once at twenty nineteen, Moreno taking a unanimous

1059
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: decision to fight despite the fact that KKF really really

1060
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: had some good moments and won the opening round. Luke,

1061
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: we set the stage storyline wise. On Wednesday, we heard

1062
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: from Brandon Moreno, but Kai Car France is coming on.

1063
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: How different will this second fight look than the first one,

1064
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: which Bredo Komodo did try to remind us all over

1065
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: social media. First fight was a damn good fight, but

1066
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: France's nos got busted up action fight back and forth.

1067
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: Will it be the same scenario in the rematch?

1068
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: And by the way, if memory serves and I believe

1069
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: this is true, I don't have it in front of

1070
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: me to prove it, but I believe I heard this

1071
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: on the broadcast. I think KAIKR France was the favorite,

1072
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: the betting favorite anyway, heading into their first fight, which

1073
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: is kind of a funny thing that.

1074
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Moreno had come back from being cut but then

1075
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: drew against askar Askarov, so there was still a question

1076
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 2: of who he was.

1077
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: Right fair enough.

1078
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, you know, you know me, I'm

1079
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: the biggest believer on this side of the ocean, so

1080
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: to speak of all those CKB guys, and I want

1081
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: to be very clear about that. I think the since

1082
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: the loss to Brandon Reuville, Kai Car France, I wouldn't

1083
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 3: say reborn, but has really tightened up some of his deficiencies.

1084
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: I mean really tightened up in the grappling, in the wrestling.

1085
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: You know, for Jigerio Bontarin to have his back for

1086
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: minutes and then to him to get him off and

1087
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 3: then polish him off on the feet inside of a round.

1088
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: Incredible askar Askarov getting his back multiple times and then

1089
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: losing a close but you know, a tough fight just

1090
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: the same, and one where you know, a case for

1091
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: Kaikarra France is not hard to make, so incredible that

1092
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: he was able. Like to me, that was the moment

1093
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 3: where I was like, oh, the old kaikr France would

1094
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: have lost those fights like or not the boxer and

1095
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: fight necessarily, but for sure the Ascar Off fight, like

1096
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: you couldn't deal with a guy for three rounds who

1097
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: had that kind of scrambling and wrestling and back taking

1098
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: ability and win, and the fact that he did win

1099
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: tells you he is different. That's just a reality for me.

1100
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if he can do it against Moreno,

1101
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 3: really don't know. So I went back and I watched

1102
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: the Figaredo fight with Moreno. I was like, what did

1103
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 3: Figaredo really do to get the win of a Moreno?

1104
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: And one of the things he did was kind of interesting.

1105
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: He did go to the outside and inside lay kick

1106
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: a lot. Moreno was very heavy on that front leg.

1107
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: If you guys knows, he has like a real wide

1108
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 3: stance and he leans kind of heavy in the front

1109
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: like this all the time, and Figuredo made him pay

1110
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: for it over and over and over again.

1111
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: That was one. But the other part that Figureedo did

1112
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: was he didn't counter fight all the time.

1113
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 3: That would not be true. There was a lot of times,

1114
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 3: for example, he'd be double jabbing and then low kicking

1115
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: his way in because Brandon would just kind of hold position.

1116
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: He doesn't really he didn't slip a whole lot cover up,

1117
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 3: and then you could see Figuredo do what he does

1118
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: commonly or A big weapon for him would be to

1119
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 3: you know, level change or throw something and then wait

1120
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 3: for Brandon Moreno's hands to drop. And the left hook

1121
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: was very powerful Figuredo, but that doesn't really explain fully

1122
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: what he did. The big insight for me was one

1123
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: slowing down the action. But more specifically, he let Moreno blitz.

1124
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: You know, every time Moreno, who is I mean Moreno

1125
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: looks like Moreno is very different from hamsat Shimaya, but

1126
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: they both have that shot out of a cannon energy

1127
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 3: all the time. Figuredo used that against him, and every

1128
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: time he would blitz, he would get under it and

1129
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 3: level change and go for a takedown. And to be clear,

1130
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: Moreno would I'll pull the stats up here in just

1131
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: a second.

1132
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: BC.

1133
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: Moreno would stuff them half the time, or they would

1134
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: have these crazy fucking scrambles all the time, and it

1135
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: was all a bunch of nonsense. In fact, in terms

1136
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: of overall take down a success rate, Figaredo was terrible.

1137
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: He only got two of eleven, but that doesn't really

1138
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 3: tell the story. What ended up happening was when Figaredo

1139
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: needed to lead, he would stand at distance, throw the

1140
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: leg kick, double jab his way in, throw the left hook,

1141
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: through these scenarios where he was getting transfer of defense.

1142
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: That was huge for.

1143
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: Him, and more commonly, he never let the blitz set

1144
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: up a scramble for Moreno or never let it lead

1145
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 3: to you know, oh, I'm gonna stand my ground and.

1146
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: Brawl with you.

1147
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: No gonna take all of that away, deflating balloons constantly

1148
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: along the way, And that was a very successful game

1149
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: plan for him. It fucking worked. If you go to

1150
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: the first fight with Moreno and Kaikara France, Kai Car

1151
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 3: France stands very far away and does a lot of

1152
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 3: He does faint a lot, obviously coming from CKB, but

1153
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: he stands really far away and then goes low and

1154
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: then tries to come over the top, comes over the top.

1155
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: There's a lot of heavy overhanding as a way to

1156
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: distance close and then land, which, okay, that could work,

1157
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: but that's you know, Moreno can see a lot of

1158
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: that coming, and he has great handspeed, great shot selection.

1159
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: It didn't really work all that well in the first fight,

1160
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, well, could he repeat what Figaredo did,

1161
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: which was allowed the blitz and then clinch or present

1162
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: a takedown thread or whatever. Not like Figaredo can no,

1163
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: not really. I'll say this, like, is Kai Car France

1164
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: talented enough to strike with anyone in this division?

1165
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1166
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: Certainly on paper it seems that way. But I will

1167
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: tell you I think that Figaredo had just the right

1168
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: game plan, and it requires having a certain set of

1169
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: dimensional skills across the board.

1170
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure kay car.

1171
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: France has it is It is absolutely clear to me

1172
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: on the defensive side that kay Car France is massively

1173
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: improved in the striking and the wrestling, but in terms

1174
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: of being able to threaten that way to let the

1175
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 3: other are parts of your game brief BC, I gotta

1176
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: say I'm a little skeptical.

1177
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: That's that's fair, and that's an interesting way to look

1178
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: at it, because it's hard not to get seduced by

1179
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: this run from kaya Cotta France, which is three straight wins.

1180
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: Are they all finish it? Yeah? No, No. The third

1181
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: one gets Askrov's the decision, but you know, blowing away

1182
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: Bontine by submission, knocking.

1183
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: Out Cody Garbrandt he knocked out on the.

1184
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: Knocking him out. Excuse me on that. And when you

1185
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: look back at the first one, as you mentioned, you

1186
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: know moreno believes that it was his technical advantage in

1187
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: round two and three that won him that fight. But

1188
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: it's it is a different KKF. This KKF is a

1189
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: little bit more hell ben on landing power shots. He's

1190
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: still darting in and out. He's still using speed and

1191
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: faints and quick combinations. But Luke, you gotta ask yourself.

1192
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean, there is a line drawn in the sand

1193
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 2: in the Great CKB Gym, right and on one side

1194
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: is Volkanowski and out of Sonya, who are like other

1195
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 2: worldly future Hall of Famer possible, you know, top five

1196
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: Upper Room, Goat Chip contend down the road. I mean,

1197
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: they're just next level special. And on the other side

1198
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 2: of the line is like you know, Dan Hooker and

1199
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: and you know Brad Riddell and Carlos Old Carl what's

1200
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: a guy's name, the real good Carlos Olberg, carls Olberg.

1201
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not gonna ask you. Is KKF on

1202
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: the level of Oolkanowski and Dada Sania. But Luke to

1203
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: become the third king of that gym and the third

1204
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: UFC champion in this case an interim one, he's kind

1205
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 2: of gonna.

1206
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: Have to be.

1207
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 2: And Luke, he looks like he's really close to being

1208
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: Is this the fight where Kaiktta France makes the folly,

1209
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: because we do need to see what kind of adjustments

1210
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: Moreno can make after this type of loss, and he's

1211
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: made great adjustments in the past. He got cut and

1212
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: came back and won the title. He's still young and

1213
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: absolutely in his prime, but he's dealing with, as we

1214
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: talked about Wednesday, a more confident, a more precise, a

1215
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 2: striker who's gonna dart in and out, but is also

1216
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: looking to leave that receipt on the way out. I

1217
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: think this is going to be a track meet. I

1218
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: think it's gonna and not disputedly, but you could score

1219
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 2: it either way. And I just think KKF is coming

1220
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: on in this moment, Luke, and it kind of breaks

1221
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: up the script, maybe even the script of what UFC

1222
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: is a managinting here by floating this inner revelt that

1223
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: doesn't really need to be there but capitalized on another

1224
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: Mexican American market in Dallas, makes this fight seem much

1225
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: bigger than it is. Maybe they think Marino will win.

1226
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: Then we go to a fourth dance with Figuretto, maybe

1227
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: five and six. Who knows what happens after that. I

1228
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: just feel like I'm feeling something from KKF. Luke, that's

1229
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna be the spoiler in this situation. Not

1230
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: gonna be easy, gonna have to be based on the

1231
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: judge's perspective. But I think it's in play that he

1232
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: can use movement, use volume. But he's gonna have to

1233
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: swim without getting getting wet, so to speak, and not

1234
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: get caught, not get the damage. Luke, We're gonna have

1235
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: to see him raise it even another level to join

1236
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: that select group of volk Izzy and c KB Royalty.

1237
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: But I think it's in him, Luke, I really do

1238
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: I think it's in him.

1239
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: It could be, It's certainly could be he is it's

1240
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the odds are as close as you said

1241
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 3: for a reason, right, he can do a lot of things.

1242
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: And in fact, what's kind of interesting is you know

1243
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: this was.

1244
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: The old KKF and if Moreno, for example, was initiating

1245
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 3: takedowns or scrambles and could find the back, I think

1246
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: that would be curtains for Kai car France. I mean,

1247
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 3: even if he was able to survive, the control time

1248
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 3: would be extraordinary. Now he still might be able Moreno

1249
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: in this case to get valuable control time. I would

1250
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: be very surprised to see Kai car France submitted. That

1251
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 3: is not a scenario. Again, anything's possible. I don't perceive

1252
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 3: that as all that likely. I'd be very surprised to

1253
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: see Kai car France, you know, have his back taken

1254
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: and then just beaten on for a minute after minute

1255
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 3: that I don't see that happening either. But from the

1256
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: combination of threats, like who has more threats and more

1257
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: dimensions of the game between these two, it's Moreno. Now

1258
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: you could say, well, Kay car France is a better

1259
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 3: striker than Moreno in totality, but A they already and

1260
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: that didn't work. And B, even if you still want

1261
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: to hold onto that idea, how much better is he

1262
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: of a striker than Moreno? Probably modestly at most, right,

1263
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: not much. And between the two dimensionalities that Moreno has

1264
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: also Moreno I think has you know, fought and beaten

1265
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 3: better guys Kai car Franz among them, kind of tells

1266
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: you that he's sort of seen what the mountaintop looks like.

1267
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: Now there are some factors worth sort of talking about here.

1268
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: Moreno is no longer with his longtime Jim right he

1269
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: left ENTRM gym in in I think it's either in

1270
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: Tee Water or Mexico City. I can't remember where the

1271
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: gym is located anymore, but in Mexico he has gone

1272
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 3: from them. He has sort of relocated, and so you

1273
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 3: wonder exactly, like you know, I've had coaches tell me,

1274
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 3: you know, when a fighter relocates to a new camp,

1275
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: it takes a couple of them before they really kind

1276
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 3: of settle in and you can see the full you know,

1277
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: value of working with a new coach and that sort

1278
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: of scenarios. So we'll see exactly what it all, what

1279
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 3: it all ends up doing for him. I take that series.

1280
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: I know the countdown cameras always catch him out in

1281
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: his garage and he's got a beautiful family. Loved me

1282
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: some Brandon Marino. But is it really happening there, Luke.

1283
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: No.

1284
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: My understanding is he's with James Krause, right, I believe

1285
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 3: he is with with with over I guess it's called

1286
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: you know, uh, Glory or something, whatever the name of

1287
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: it is again and sorry, Glory m Man Fitness in

1288
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 3: Kansas City. That's why he's over there now, Dude, James

1289
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: Cross is one of the smartest guys. In the fucking game.

1290
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: I mean, if anybody is going to have a good

1291
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: game plan, and Sam and by the way, Kay car

1292
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: France has got Eugene Barman in his corner, who might

1293
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: be the fucking best when it comes to game plans,

1294
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: no doubt about it.

1295
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: Where you don't have a city kicking boner on the

1296
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: level for KKF that you do the other.

1297
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: Guys, I guess I gotta say I do. But the

1298
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: problem with is the issue is this, like is he's

1299
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 3: Here's the thing is he is also in the grappling department. Yeah,

1300
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: he threw up that triangle on Kelvin gas limits. But

1301
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: one of the criticisms I've had of Izzy as his

1302
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 3: career has developed a little bit is he only really

1303
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: has and it's it's overly simplified to say it this way,

1304
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 3: but he basically has one way to win, which is

1305
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: in the standing. Now in the standing department, here's the difference.

1306
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 3: The difference for me is that Izzy's striking is just

1307
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: miles ahead of everyone else's. Where you're getting multiple rotations

1308
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 3: now of contenders and they still can't fucking find a

1309
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 3: way to do anything, and the best that they can

1310
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: do is not getting knocked out, but they can't have

1311
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: any meaningful offense behind it. Like he's that fucking good.

1312
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 3: He lords over that division his striking. So the fact

1313
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: that he is largely very defensive in the grappling and

1314
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: then the sort of a wrestling department, while it is

1315
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: somewhat of a knock on his game, it just doesn't

1316
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: really matter as much right now given how substantial his

1317
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: advantage is on the feet. Kay Car France is not

1318
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: in that space. He has very very good striking, but

1319
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: he does not lord it over the flyweights in that way.

1320
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: So while he does have significantly improved defensive wrestling defensive grappling,

1321
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: his ace in the hole isn't as substantial as it

1322
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: is for someone like Izzy. On the conversely, for someone

1323
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 3: like Volkanowski, I do think that other guys can hang

1324
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: with him in the striking department, you know, last fight

1325
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: with Max. Notwithstanding, you know guys have heard him on

1326
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 3: the feet. He's been dropped before. But he has full

1327
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: dimensionality in all kinds of ways, with his takedowns, with

1328
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 3: his submission defense, with his ground and pound, with his

1329
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: gas tank. He can weaponize it in a lot of

1330
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: different directions. Kai Car Francis is very very good in

1331
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: the striking, and I want to be clear, one winnable fight,

1332
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: but he is not like Izzy. He does not have

1333
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: that same advantage over the division where he can let

1334
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: other parts of his game be a little bit more

1335
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: defensively oriented without the same kind of offense behind it.

1336
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: Very fair, very fair.

1337
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: It's why the odds are so close. Great fight, rematch,

1338
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: interim title tag or not figuredo most likely next for

1339
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: the winner unless he ends up moving up Lugano. He's

1340
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: threatned a couple of times.

1341
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. By the way, pay me more,

1342
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: I'll move up.

1343
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: But he's got new management, he's got you know your

1344
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 2: I favorite part of that. That that team now, so

1345
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens there. Can't wait for this fight.

1346
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: I just think KKF is gonna Rocky. I get your

1347
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: plus money now.

1348
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, let me ask all me something.

1349
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1350
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: This this one goes the distance, right.

1351
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it does.

1352
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 3: The flyweights have to go the distance. I just don't

1353
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 3: see you. I mean, kay, car France has a good chin,

1354
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 3: he's battle tested. I again, I would be very surprised

1355
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: to see him submitted.

1356
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: And dude, Brandon Moreno.

1357
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: He's been through he's he's been through it with the very.

1358
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: Best of them. So this one I see going the

1359
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: full five, All.

1360
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: Right, Luke. Topic three is the rest of UFC two

1361
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: seventy seven. This could be a short conversation. Have you

1362
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: been entertained at all by the sour nature of Derek

1363
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: Lewis during his interviews this week? He's uh, I mean,

1364
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: he gave kind of a jab at John Morgan's neckline.

1365
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: He said if he if he buys the UFC one day,

1366
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna come after all this MMA media. He also

1367
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: couldn't come up with the name of the guy he's

1368
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: fighting luk at Sergey Pavlovitch, who is a minus one

1369
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: thirty favorite. By the way, has won two in a

1370
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: row since being stopped by Alistair Overheim. Here's the deal,

1371
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: Luke Lewis is thirdeven. He's been stopped in self implosive

1372
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: ways in two of his last three fights, one by

1373
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: Cyril Gnan, one by taytoy Vasa, both where you're just like,

1374
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 2: oh shit, is he going, Oh he's gone, he's out.

1375
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 2: It's over. Not his best, Luke, not his best. It's

1376
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: just really hard because he doesn't give a fuck about

1377
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: this he doesn't care about titles, rankings, positioning. He's always

1378
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: seven day one. I'm here to make money and feed

1379
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 2: my kids and you know, have a little fun. But

1380
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: I hate this shit. Dude. If anybody is a sly Fox,

1381
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: is a you know, crazy like, it's this guy, Dude,

1382
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: He's he here's the deal to beat him? Historically, Luke,

1383
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: you kind of have to prove that you're either a leader.

1384
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 2: Maybe you're on your way there. Tay tu Vasa is

1385
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: still kind of up in the air, but let's give

1386
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: him credit. He overwhelmed Lewis, he found the weak spot,

1387
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: he got him out of there. I don't I have

1388
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: not yet to believe that Sergey Pavlovitch is on this level. So, Luke,

1389
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: even at thirty seven, even with the rotn and even

1390
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: with some very forgettable performances, remember that Latifi fight. Just

1391
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Derek Lewis can go out there and shit

1392
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: his pants, but he's got motivation here to come back,

1393
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: get to survive in advance win. I think he gets it. Luke, Well,

1394
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: how do you handicap in this matchup?

1395
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: Man? I don't know. I don't know, because here's the thing.

1396
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: You're looking at.

1397
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 3: These shots from the Tay too Avasa fight. Part of

1398
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 3: the reason tytooy Ivasa won is that he's a fucking refrigerator,

1399
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: you know.

1400
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 1: What I mean.

1401
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 3: Like his chin and his ability to absorb damage is

1402
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: next fucking level. Like is there anything more certified than

1403
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis's punching power, Like ask Curtis Blades. I think

1404
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 3: Curtis Blade is overall a much better fighter than Derek Lewis.

1405
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 3: But but it didn't fucking matter. It didn't fucking matter

1406
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: at all because that upper cut that he threw was

1407
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: brilliantly timed. He's battle tested too, by the way, like

1408
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 3: you know, to your point, for better or for worse,

1409
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 3: excuse me, Lewis has been in there with the very

1410
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 3: best of them, and you know, I think part of

1411
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: the reason, Like, dude, how many have anyways would have

1412
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 3: survived some of the punches that Derek Lewis was landing

1413
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: on taytoy Vasa. Not many, not many, So you know,

1414
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 3: And here's the thing with this is Sergey Pavlovitch. He

1415
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 3: has some nice wins over updu Rocky mav and Green

1416
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 3: and golm Gone by the way, just fought over in Belatore.

1417
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: That was the guy who beat your guy, Darien Foster, I.

1418
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: Think was his name, my guy?

1419
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: Well, the one you said was the surest Sorry, what

1420
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: am I saying?

1421
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: Foster? What am I saying? I can't keep the name

1422
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: for Arian Foster? Is that where you're going with this? Yeah,

1423
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Foster's beer. What are you gonna do?

1424
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm you know, I'm washed, all right.

1425
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 3: But the point I'm trying to make here is I

1426
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: do remember the over and fight very clearly. Now, granted

1427
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 3: that was his UFC debut and hello, that was Alistair overing,

1428
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 3: but dude, Overream beat the fuck out of him.

1429
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was.

1430
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: It was a one way she lacking. So like the

1431
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 3: winds that he's gotten since then are nice. His record

1432
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: is nice. Some of his numbers are nice. For Sergey Pavlovitch,

1433
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 3: he lands six strikes per minute a little bit over,

1434
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 3: it's really high, kind of absorbs a lot though, four

1435
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 3: point four five that's kind of also high. Here's the

1436
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 3: thing I'm gonna ride with Derek Lewis in this one.

1437
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,439
Speaker 3: You know, the loss to Twuivasa wasn't great, and maybe

1438
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 3: Pavlovich is a lot better than we all think I'm

1439
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 3: happy to eat crow on Monday for all.

1440
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: Of the picks that we make. You know, who the

1441
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: hell knows.

1442
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 3: But the truth is this, Like Derek Lewis, I am

1443
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 3: a little bit worried about his mental state after suffering

1444
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 3: that knockout in the way that he did. You know,

1445
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 3: I wonder where he is with that. But he's got

1446
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: big power. He's beaten guys better than this before. Pavlovich

1447
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: not really a heavy takedown guy necessarily. I you know,

1448
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, I I just don't have I'll

1449
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: say it this way, be see, maybe agree, I just

1450
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 3: don't have a compelling reason for me to pick Pavlovich.

1451
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this moment let me dead wrong myself. He's won

1452
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: three since that UFC debut, lost over him, and all

1453
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: three by knockout. But a certain level of competition. Now,

1454
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: if Lewis's heart is just not in it and he

1455
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: doesn't come in in great shape, is he suspect to

1456
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: get walked down by a guy who won't go away? Yeah,

1457
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: we just freaking saw it. But look, because he doesn't care.

1458
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: We've seen him bounce back.

1459
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 4: Dude.

1460
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say it ad nausea. But when he

1461
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: lost to Derek Lewis. I meant to Daniel Cormier. He

1462
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: got to the title level, he went all in and

1463
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: went for it. They got dominated. I didn't know if

1464
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: he'd still care and still make comeback. She's come back

1465
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 2: a few times from that. Yeah, I just haven't seen

1466
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: enough from Pavlovitch. So let's let Derek Lewis go out there,

1467
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: do Derek Lewis stuff, get the knockout, make a ridiculous

1468
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 2: comment afterwards, and then Luke will see him against another

1469
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: huge name because it's what he does.

1470
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, are you where are you on?

1471
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: Do you do you?

1472
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: Is it at all in your mind that Lewis is

1473
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 3: coming off of a bad knockout loss, that that could

1474
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: play a role here.

1475
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: No, because I don't think it's in his mind. That's

1476
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: the difference. I think he's really just a gun slinger.

1477
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, next chapter, next, next ballroom brawl.

1478
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: Let's do it and like style, and there's a.

1479
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: Certain level of people that could take his punches, but

1480
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: that level is very small and it's typically the elite Luke,

1481
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: So you know that's what it's gonna come down to here. Obviously,

1482
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: Lewis at plus money. Yeah, I'm gonna take this bet

1483
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: against Pavlovitch. Thank you very much, Luke. Before we get

1484
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 2: into Ankolia Smith. Probably the best fight, you know, besides

1485
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: the top two, without question, Alexandre Pantosia in this flyweight division,

1486
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 2: taken on Alex Perez, who fought for the title as

1487
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: a late replacement, hasn't fought since. Perez plus one fifty

1488
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: five Pantosia minus one point eighty are either of these

1489
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: guys in your eyes kind of still in this greater

1490
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 2: title picture which has ridiculous parody. Is there something to

1491
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: really gain in this fight to to sort of crack

1492
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 2: that party atop the division.

1493
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: I think Pantoja is the guy that could do it.

1494
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 3: He has lost to Figuredo fair enough, He's got wins

1495
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: over Snell, He's got the loss to Askarov I believe that.

1496
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: One was controversial. Then he's got the wins over cop

1497
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: and then Rouville. He can do it.

1498
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: He is a guy to me that looks better than ever,

1499
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 3: or at least I would say, continues to improve.

1500
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: I think it might be a better way to put

1501
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: that U has well rounded before.

1502
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: It's kind of like you know, grappling centric or whatever,

1503
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 3: and now I think has a little bit more to

1504
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: the story with that, and that's why it's a bit

1505
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 3: of a problem for Alex Perez, who is a talented guy,

1506
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: but to your point, has been off for a long

1507
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: ass time. And part of the way in which he

1508
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 3: got overwhelmed against Figureedo in his last fight was Figaredo

1509
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 3: used basically tricky grappling. Like I'm not saying Pantoja's on

1510
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: the level of Figaredo when it comes to that, but

1511
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 3: he's not far apart either, very good at finding the back,

1512
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 3: very good finishes from the back, excellent back attacks.

1513
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: You know.

1514
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 3: I just feel like for Perez, who is a good

1515
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 3: kind of wrestle boxer, Pantoja might find himself like out

1516
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 3: athletic with a guy who's just ready to like you know,

1517
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 3: down block and get out of the way and break

1518
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: contact and sit on his punches. Yeah, that maybe that

1519
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 3: maybe could win. It certainly would have beaten the older

1520
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 3: version of Pantojo with that, I agree, but this newer

1521
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 3: one looks to me a little bit more, a little

1522
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 3: bit more able to balance those kinds of competing challenges,

1523
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 3: and it's a tough fight for Pees, especially with that layoff.

1524
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 3: I like Pantojo is a guy to me who let's

1525
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 3: see how. Let's see not just if he wins this,

1526
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 3: let's see how. Let's see how he does it and

1527
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 3: if it becomes relatively easily, because if he does, you

1528
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 3: can see him here beating Royal from the back. He's

1529
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 3: got good jiu jitsu, he can strike now a little bit.

1530
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah he might. He's someone to keep your eye on

1531
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: for sure.

1532
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I fully agree with you. I like his chances

1533
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: in this fight. Alex Prez is tough, but I do

1534
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: think if somebody's gonna crack into that mold then maybe

1535
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: eventually work their way into a title shot. It could

1536
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: be Pantos. He does seem to have that game. Can

1537
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: be flashy, can be aggressive, can go after it. You

1538
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: gotta be that in this division where the could be

1539
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: hot potato belt season. We'll see what happens, Luke, let's

1540
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 2: focus on it now. Magomed and caliav. Anthony Smith so

1541
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: much at steak here at two five, maybe potentially the winner,

1542
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 2: even passing Blojovich and Glover for that next shot at

1543
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: Uri Prahotzka, but it would take something spectacular that aside

1544
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: Uncliath a monster favorite minus five hundred. A lot of

1545
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: people talking. That could be too much, This could be

1546
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: too far. But his win streak has shown you, Luke,

1547
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: that he could do some special things. But at plus

1548
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: four hundred, Anthony Smith is coming in three fight win

1549
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: streak all by stoppage. Never goes away this guy, Luke.

1550
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: He's consistent, he's tough as shit. He bounces back from

1551
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: big defeats. He grinds out victories. Can this man, the

1552
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: much maligned man on this show, polarizing man on this show,

1553
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: although we love his instincts in his backbone, can this

1554
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 2: guy Anthony Smith pull the upset and put that hammer

1555
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: back in the cabinet comes Saturday night, Luke, I think he.

1556
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: Can, although I will candidly say I agree.

1557
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: You know, minus five hundred or whatever it was. Let

1558
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 3: me looking up here our friends at Caesar's. Was it

1559
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: really minus five Jesus Christ?

1560
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, plus four hundred for Smith.

1561
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: Actually it's minus five point fifty at the moment, good Lord, Yeah,

1562
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 3: I mean I think that's a little high. Other places

1563
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 3: have him at minus six hundred. To me, that seems

1564
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 3: a little bit unfair, if I'm being honest with you.

1565
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 3: But I do believe that he is very, very talented,

1566
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 3: and I do believe that he is the guy to

1567
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 3: beat in terms of rising contenders in this division.

1568
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: So I somewhat you know, understand the heavy nod. I

1569
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: mean again, here's the thing. It's like, it's a tough

1570
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: fight for Anthony Smith, but you're asking, like, on what

1571
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:14,879
Speaker 1: way is it winnable?

1572
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 3: Back attacks is the thing for me? Now, the problem

1573
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 3: for him with the back attacks is the wrestling may

1574
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 3: or may not be there. In fact, if you look

1575
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: at the takedown accuracy of Anthony Smith and take down

1576
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 3: accuracy is something that doesn't need to be high, but

1577
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 3: it can be, you know, somewhere in the high forties,

1578
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 3: low fifties, that would be a good number. The problem

1579
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 3: is for Anthony Smith it's twenty eight percent. That's slow.

1580
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 3: It's low, it's not high. It's not like he has

1581
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 3: bad wrestling, but he doesn't have the kind of finishing

1582
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 3: off of any clinching opportunities that he might need to

1583
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 3: really truly threaten a guy like on Calive, where he

1584
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 3: could you know, get the body lock, throw him around,

1585
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 3: force him to his hands, and then take the back

1586
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 3: right away. In fact, Anthony Smith kind of likes to

1587
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 3: strike it out right, he likes to duke it out

1588
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 3: for better for worse. He actually has a negative differential.

1589
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 3: He lands three strikes permitted and absorbs about four point three.

1590
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: He has got over an integer as a negative as

1591
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 3: a negative differential there. But to me, there's a couple

1592
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 3: of ways. I think if he is patient, we have

1593
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 3: seen on Caliev kind of match that intensity. Like if

1594
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: you are overly aggressive, which sometimes Smith has a tendency

1595
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 3: to be, that could be.

1596
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: Problem a problem for him.

1597
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 3: But I think if he actually slows this down, goes

1598
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 3: to the leg, kick, forces contact, I don't necessarily recommend

1599
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 3: pulling guard, but I don't even think that's necessarily out

1600
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: of the question. What I think he really has to

1601
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: do is back up and force on Caliav's action towards him,

1602
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 3: and I think look for look for the body lock,

1603
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: look for trips, force him to his hands, sit him

1604
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: to his butt with any kind of tripping something like that,

1605
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: and then work from the back. His back attacks are

1606
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 3: probably the very best at light heavyweight. I mean that genuinely.

1607
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't know who has better attacks from the back

1608
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: at actively inside the top fifteen to two hundred and

1609
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 3: five pounds at him, you're looking at his wind streak

1610
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 3: over Clark and Krute and Span. You know, these are

1611
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 3: guys that I think he was just much better than

1612
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 3: on the feet and they kind of charged into him

1613
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,879
Speaker 3: and he they didn't have anything for him. On Caliv

1614
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 3: is going to be more careful. The key here for

1615
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 3: Anthony Smith, no matter what way he wants to go,

1616
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 3: he has got to make a guy like on Caliev

1617
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 3: make mistakes. He has got to make him make mistakes.

1618
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: And how do you do that?

1619
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 3: Probably a few different ways, but you've got to force

1620
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 3: this dude off of the sort of steady pattern of

1621
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: offense that he gets going. I'll be curious to see

1622
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 3: what he does.

1623
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 2: And Caliv riding an eight fight win streak since that

1624
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen submission loss in his UFC debut to Paul Craig.

1625
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 2: It's included pair of knockouts of Kute Laba decisions over

1626
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 2: krelav Osdemir Maheta. I mean, you know, there's those who

1627
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 2: kind of believe this guy already is the best lightweight

1628
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 2: in the division. He just hasn't gotten his title shot yet.

1629
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: If he beats Anthony Smith's gonna be hard to keep

1630
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 2: him away. There's that old look, you see that stat

1631
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: that floats around on Twitter when it comes to MMA betting,

1632
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 2: if you have any form of mago met in your name,

1633
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 2: the percentage of betting them to win is like guaranteed

1634
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 2: money coming out of your foss and just turn it on,

1635
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: Luke and the gold comes out. Could be the case here.

1636
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out a very important bout a lot

1637
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: of a lot of stakes here. I've told you come around.

1638
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: I know who Anthony Smith is at his car. I'm

1639
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: cheering for him. But it is an uphill battle. Be

1640
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: interesting to see the advantages there in the grappling in

1641
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 2: terms of submission, thread is real for Smith. But do

1642
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: you want to dance with the hammer, Luke to get

1643
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: to that point?

1644
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: You know it's tough.

1645
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: The other part two is dude, here's another part that's

1646
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 3: tough for Anthony Smith. A magament on Calia's striking defense.

1647
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 3: Usually this is around fifty percent, sometimes high fifties. For

1648
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 3: the very good ones, it's in the sixties. Magament on

1649
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 3: Calia of sixty one percent. That's high. He does not

1650
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 3: get hit a lot. That's that's a big problem that

1651
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 3: Anthony Smith's gonna have to solve.

1652
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: Luke what's the most important fight on this card beyond

1653
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 2: the main the main pay per view portion?

1654
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 3: Is it?

1655
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: Drew Dover?

1656
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: What is it? I mean, there's not much to pick

1657
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: with Luke. It's like it's not necessarily picking kernels of

1658
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: corn out of your sh Who does that? Luke? Right?

1659
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: You know who does that? Right?

1660
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: Have you done that? Let's just ask that have you

1661
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: done that before? I mean that is true? How are

1662
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: we winning awards? This is the dumbest show, you know what.

1663
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: I'll say this.

1664
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the most important, but I

1665
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 3: will I will mention this. Matthew Semmelsberger is a guy

1666
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 3: out of the DC area. He's a good fighter. Alex

1667
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 3: Moreno out of Texas a good fighter. Semmelsberger a bit

1668
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 3: of a heavier puncher. I think of the two a

1669
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 3: little more physical of the two. Doesn't have the experience

1670
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 3: that Moreno does against better opposition. But it's a close one.

1671
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 3: Our friends at Caesars have Simmelsburger as a minus one

1672
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: fifty five Moreno as a plus one thirty. I think

1673
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 3: that's fair to me. It's closer to a Pickham. I

1674
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 3: I like seeing guys from the DC area get going

1675
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 3: in part because I'll say this, around this neck of

1676
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 3: the woods, we have very good camps. Right, there's kays

1677
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 3: In MMA, and there's Clinch Academy, and there's the obviously

1678
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 3: Loud Irvin has a gym out in Camp Springs, Maryland,

1679
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 3: and the Amasakis are here.

1680
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: But a lot of is like heavily jiu jitsu based.

1681
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 3: Lot of say what Ryan Hall, Ryan Hall's fifty fifty,

1682
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 3: But that sort of serves my point, right, it's more

1683
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 3: jiu jitsu basi.

1684
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: It's not.

1685
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: There are MMA guys that train there, but it's a

1686
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: little bit more again with the grappling base. And I

1687
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 3: would like to see some of the MMA guys really

1688
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: begin to I'd like to see them succeed here. And

1689
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 3: I would like to see some of these smaller gyms,

1690
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 3: you know, be able to create a guy not just

1691
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 3: get credit, but get credit for the right reasons to

1692
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: to be able to create a guy who can level

1693
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 3: up through the ranks. And you know, of the you know,

1694
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: Matthew Simmelsberger has a long way to go. But I

1695
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 3: don't know if you saw this, he did like the

1696
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 3: there's a I forget I don't know how to pronounced

1697
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 3: his last name. It's like Alex Baron or Baron, I

1698
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 3: can't pronounce his last name. He's the one that does

1699
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 3: those humanizing athletes tweets where he gets them to answer

1700
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 3: like favorite movie, favorite color, whatever. Semmelsberger has was asked

1701
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: who his favorite athlete was, and he picked Sean Taylor,

1702
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 3: the late Sean Taylor. And you know, anytime I see that,

1703
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 3: you know me, BC, I can't. I can't beat a

1704
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: chair for other people at that point. So I'd like

1705
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 3: to see Matthew Matthew Simmelsberg and see what he can do.

1706
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: All right, shout out to d C there the greater

1707
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: DMV area to Chevy Chase Maryland, Luke.

1708
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 3: Chevy Chase Maryland is a very nice area. I don't

1709
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 3: know much about Luke. I don't know much about it.

1710
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: What's your favorite Chevy Chase performance.

1711
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's such a good question. Fucking a wow, what

1712
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: a good question. I would say.

1713
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 3: What was the National Lampoon's vacation where he gets lost

1714
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 3: and he asked the dude for directions and the guy goes, man,

1715
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 3: fuck your mum.

1716
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 2: That's in Saint Louis in the original vacation of that

1717
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 2: four part series that I think you can't go wrong

1718
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 2: with Vacation Christmas, Vacation, Caddy Shack. But dude, Spies like Us,

1719
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 2: which is one of those weird comedy movies. That's brilliant.

1720
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 2: Him and a Quord are brilliant. But it's not like

1721
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 2: when you play it back for people, they're like, this

1722
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 2: is what you were telling me about this weird movie.

1723
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 2: But it's brilliant. It is of that. But you know,

1724
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: Fletch is also in the conversation, Luke, Okay, Fletch.

1725
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 3: Here's the thing what people don't understand about those comedians

1726
01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 3: like the Bill Murray.

1727
01:17:59,640 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1728
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 3: I'm talking to current Bill Murray, who I think is

1729
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 3: just the loudest asshole at the wedding. I'm talking like

1730
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 3: prime Bill Murray, like Stripes Bill Murray, the first Ghostbusters

1731
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 3: Bill Murray, That Bill Murray. And you mentioned Dan Ackroyd,

1732
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,520
Speaker 3: Steve Martin, John Candy, John Laraquette.

1733
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: Those guys.

1734
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, those guys were all masters of subtlety, which yes,

1735
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 3: modern comedies are all just bang you over the head,

1736
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: everyone's talking over each other. Those guys were all super

1737
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 3: super deaf, just the right turn of the dial. And uh,

1738
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 3: I agree. Spies like us gets gets to the heart

1739
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 3: of that.

1740
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 2: I'll have a bloody Mary and a stake sandwich and

1741
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 2: a steak sandwich.

1742
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: Dude, I love that motherfucker. Current night to work with?

1743
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 2: Do you care about five and oher heavyweight Hamdi the

1744
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 2: Hammer abdel Wahab, who will make his UFC debut on Saturday,

1745
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 2: fresh off four first round knockout wins, including three under

1746
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: the Jorge Masvidal Game Bread or Icon fighting banner. Luke,

1747
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 2: he has not fought active bodies here, but he's going

1748
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: to make his debut against Dantel May's. I know you

1749
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 2: don't care, you don't care.

1750
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I'm not here to disrespect these athletes.

1751
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: They have a tough job.

1752
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 3: But Mays has been, you know, kind of hanging on

1753
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 3: to a UFC career by a threat a little bit.

1754
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: And he's the favorite here so.

1755
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: And does does blood Diamond Mike Mattethy Luke of CKB fame,

1756
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 2: who lost his UFC debut. Does he get cut from

1757
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 2: the gym if he loses again here? Luke topin this.

1758
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 3: I don't think he gets cut from the gym. But

1759
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: he's also not favorite to wins. Our friend that Caesar's

1760
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 3: has him as a plus one point fifty. You know,

1761
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 3: I just didn't see a lot. I think he fought

1762
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Wells in his debut. Now, Jeremiah Wells is very

1763
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 3: good trains with Sean Brady, big old fucking muscular dude.

1764
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I didn't see a whole lot there to

1765
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 3: you know, get confidence for a long sustained UFC run.

1766
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: All right, Luke. Topic four this week is quick hitters.

1767
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 2: I want to get your take on a couple of

1768
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: these news items that came across the the ethosphere, the newswire.

1769
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: Look here, yeah, the whatever the ABC, the Association of

1770
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 2: Boxing Commissions has changed the rules in MMA, Luke on ipokes,

1771
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: timeouts and neoprene sleeves for ipokes. Should a referee call

1772
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: for time out to address one, the afflicted fighter will

1773
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 2: now have a maximum of five minutes to recover from

1774
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,799
Speaker 2: the fall. After five minutes, should the fighter be unable

1775
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: to continue, the bout will be waved off. The result

1776
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: then depends on what round and the time of the

1777
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 2: bout that reached up. What are we changing? I thought

1778
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: that was the rule?

1779
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: What's the no?

1780
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 3: So the rule is so, actually that's not the rule.

1781
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 3: That what they've kind of done is formalize the process.

1782
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 3: The only prior to this, the only five minute rule

1783
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 3: on the book was about groin strikes, So if you

1784
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 3: got kicked in the balls, they would put the five

1785
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 3: minute clock on. When you got poked in the eye,

1786
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 3: they kind of just gave you enough time to, like,

1787
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: you know, you know, rub your eye out or whatever.

1788
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: Now you're also going to be on the clock. It

1789
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 3: doesn't meediately change the fights all that much, but at

1790
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: least there's now a formalized process under them.

1791
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: Hey, motherfucker, you good to go? Allurr is, let's go.

1792
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: You know now it does a clock.

1793
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say, gave you enough time

1794
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 2: to rub one out, and then I would need the

1795
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:08,759
Speaker 2: full five.

1796
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: Minutes there, Yeah, I would, I would need thirty seconds.

1797
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 2: Okay, luke. On sleeves, a competitor may use soft neoprene

1798
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 2: type sleeves to cover only the knee or ankle joints.

1799
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 2: Approoved sleeves may not have padding, velgirl, plastic, metal ties,

1800
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 2: or any other material considered to be unsafe that may

1801
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 2: create an advantage, tape in gauze, or any other materials.

1802
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: Then the approved sleeves are not permitted on the lower body.

1803
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: The sleeves must be black in color. I don't care.

1804
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: Do you care, Luke? Does this matter?

1805
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: Well? Not really. But here's the thing. Remember, this is

1806
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: not a federal rule.

1807
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 3: This is the Association of Boxing Commissions, which does have

1808
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 3: the capacity to, you know, regulate boxing nationally in certain ways,

1809
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 3: but not in MMA. So this will just be a recommendation.

1810
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 3: So it may or may not mean a whole lot.

1811
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 3: Like California could be like, no, we don't allow you

1812
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: to use neopreen sleeves in Texas and be like, hell,

1813
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 3: y'all want to tape up to do what you want?

1814
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: Two or false. UFC flyweight fighter Matt Schanell DMD you

1815
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 2: and said that your co host says your name too often.

1816
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 1: That's true. He did say that, Yes, that's a true thing.

1817
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm trying to work on that, Luke. All right.

1818
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: I ABC all the time too, so I'm guiltul Yeah.

1819
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: Well, the reason why I say your name so often

1820
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 2: is because I can feel you drifting, so I always

1821
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 2: trying to get your attention back, Luke. Okay, that's that's

1822
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: the thing. Uh. Finally, a news outlet of sorts had

1823
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 2: the balls to ask UFC president Dana White about the

1824
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 2: fallout of that two hundred and fifty thousand dollars gift

1825
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 2: inside the bag that he gave to the k Neelk Boys,

1826
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 2: the podcasters who were friends with his son Dana White.

1827
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 2: The third LUCA was the Pat McAfee Show, which is

1828
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: a very UFC friendly environment. Here's the quote from Dana

1829
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,759
Speaker 2: who went on, by the way, Luke to quote blame

1830
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 2: to blame this on quote the scumbag MMA media. Let

1831
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: me set this record straight. Dana said, first of all,

1832
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: all these people on the internet can go fuck themselves.

1833
01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 2: I spend my money. However the fuck I want to

1834
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: spend my money mind your own fucking business. Number one

1835
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: and number two, if you look at what Kyle and

1836
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: the net bulls have done as far as Howlerhead and

1837
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 2: a lot of other things they've done, those kids have

1838
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: never asked me for anything ever, never asked me for anything,

1839
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 2: and they couldn't be better people. Kyle has than so

1840
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: many things for me, And believe me, the two hundred

1841
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 2: fifty thousand that I have that I gave him for

1842
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: his birthday doesn't even cover the amount of things that

1843
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 2: that kid has done for me. So don't count other

1844
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: people's money and mind your own fucking business. Just come

1845
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: back MMA media. I added that last part end quote, Look,

1846
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 2: am I gonna be in another hit job video? I mean,

1847
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 2: look the classic data. Let me not address the actual

1848
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: issue here, which is the optics of you doing that

1849
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 2: amid fighter paces and the same two day stretch in

1850
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 2: which we find out that you're paying lobbyists to stop

1851
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 2: your own fighters from being able to to organize unionize.

1852
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 2: The issue isn't the money of the fucking milk boys.

1853
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 2: The issue is that you're sitting here saying you don't

1854
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 2: know what Kyle's done for us. He bought me a

1855
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 2: howlerhead van fuck off? What has John Jones done for you?

1856
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: What is George Saint Pierre done for you?

1857
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: He made him a lot of money.

1858
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: Where's Cabbage Korea done for you?

1859
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,440
Speaker 1: Had a war with I had a fun fight with ourlawski.

1860
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: Look, how do you respond to this?

1861
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: You don't? I mean, there's no This is the thing.

1862
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: It's like sometimes we be like, hey, you see what

1863
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 3: so and so said about you on their podcast, and

1864
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 3: I'm like no, and then I'll hear it and it's

1865
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: just insults, and it's like, well, you want me to

1866
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 3: respond to like these insults like I don't have anything

1867
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 3: to say. I don't get I mean, I'm a forty

1868
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 3: two year old man. I don't give a fuck what

1869
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 3: your stupid insult is. Do you have a point you'd

1870
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 3: like to make?

1871
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 4: I can.

1872
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 3: I can respond to that. So he didn't really make

1873
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 3: a point here. But they're the one that the people

1874
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 3: who are trying to defend this say is like, well,

1875
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 3: it is his money he can spend and how he wants. Well,

1876
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,679
Speaker 3: on some level, that's quite obviously true. But here's the problem.

1877
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,959
Speaker 3: Endeavor is public and how the UFC pays its executives

1878
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 3: relative how they pay their talent is quite literally, especially

1879
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,560
Speaker 3: on top of the fact that the court documents have

1880
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 3: been released quite literally public like it is quite literally

1881
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 3: public information, quite literally in the public's interest in that way.

1882
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,759
Speaker 3: More to the point, they put it on fucking social media.

1883
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you like, how dare the public weigh in

1884
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: on a thing that we broadcasted to the public. I mean, like,

1885
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: what what like it doesn't it listen?

1886
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 3: This is what I told I said this when I

1887
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 3: was on Rogan Show in October of twenty twenty or whatever.

1888
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: The fuck that was at this point, this is what

1889
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: I said the time, and yeah, I know.

1890
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 3: It's just it's helpful because it's something that people can

1891
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 3: find right.

1892
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: People can find this right, you can go and hear this.

1893
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: The argument about fighter pay is over. People like to

1894
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 3: still debate it, like whether or not guys get enough.

1895
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: It's fucking over.

1896
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 3: I saw Daniel Cormie was on one of the podcasts

1897
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 3: that he does with his co host, but it's not

1898
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 3: that one.

1899
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: It's with Ryan Clark. It's another one that he does.

1900
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: It's a football related podcast, and he was like, oh,

1901
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: I one time got a million dollars as a bonus

1902
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: after fighting. I think it was John Jones the first

1903
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: time or something like that. It's like, yeah, that's great.

1904
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 3: Does any of that change any of the information that

1905
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 3: we already know to be true from that year about

1906
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 3: fighter pay.

1907
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: No, none of it changes.

1908
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 3: It's still seventeen to eighteen percent in totality. The argument

1909
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 3: is fucking over. The only argument left is what you

1910
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 3: want to do about it, which is either a nothing

1911
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 3: b Ali act or c unionization.

1912
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Speaker 1: That is fucking it, dude. That is it. It is over.

1913
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Speaker 1: It is done. It is cooked.

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Speaker 3: More to the point, even if the argument is, you

1915
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Speaker 3: know how we spends his money is how we spends

1916
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Speaker 3: his money. Yeah, right, But here's the thing, man, we

1917
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Speaker 3: know what the fighter pay ratio is in terms of

1918
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Speaker 3: the proportion of what they get and how grossly unfair

1919
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Speaker 3: it is.

1920
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Speaker 1: We know that.

1921
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Speaker 3: To your point, UFC lobbies in various states to like

1922
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Speaker 3: make sure athletic commissions don't, for example in Florida show

1923
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Speaker 3: what pay is under the guys that it's a trade secert.

1924
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is total bullshit. That's in the public's

1925
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Speaker 3: interest and public information as well. By the way, you

1926
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 3: can add that in. And then if you're lavishly spending

1927
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 3: money on a bunch of dopes who have a fucking

1928
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: podcast because they're nice to this, you know, alcohol he's

1929
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 3: involved with or whatever the fuck. It's like, dude, the

1930
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 3: intersection of that with what is regularly public information, especially

1931
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Speaker 3: when it's broadcasted on social media, more than makes it

1932
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 3: in the public's interest to talk about It's not an accident.

1933
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Speaker 3: We wouldn't have known about it but for the fact

1934
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Speaker 3: that we know what fighter pay is. We know about

1935
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: it because fighters have sued. We know about it because

1936
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 3: fighter and MMA media has reported about you know, the

1937
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 3: various and by the way, it's not just UFC, but

1938
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 3: various promoter interests in concealing pay to protect their own interests.

1939
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 3: We know about all these things because we've made them

1940
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 3: public or they have made them public. They all intersect together.

1941
01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 3: It's the public's absolute, full right to talk about it.

1942
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 3: And they're gonna keep doing it, right, that's just the reality.

1943
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 3: So you know, there's no argument to make back about that.

1944
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 3: What are you gonna say, we don't take too much money.

1945
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 3: They of course they do.

1946
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: We all know they do.

1947
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Speaker 2: This.

1948
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Speaker 1: This argument is over.

1949
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's the optics. I mean, obviously Dana is

1950
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 2: right in the sense that, yeah, you could do whatever

1951
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 2: the hell you want for your money, you know, with

1952
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: your money, Like, that's not our business, although you made

1953
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 2: it our business by flaunting it. But I just love

1954
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 2: that that it's never answered the actual spirit of the question,

1955
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 2: and every question ends with the scumbag emime media. If

1956
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm a scumbag for bringing facts to the forefront that

1957
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: supports these fighters and athletes who are the reason Dana

1958
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 2: is able to make this much money, Ok, Dana savvy? Yeah,

1959
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 2: great business relationship with the Fertidas who took big chances, yes,

1960
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 2: but the fighters are the reason he's able to make

1961
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: the twenty seven millionaire or whatever it is. Luke, I mean,

1962
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 2: it's like, do not understand those optics are ridiculous. But

1963
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,800
Speaker 2: you know who the real scumbag MMA media is, Luke.

1964
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: Uh the people that can show up to every single

1965
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: press conference or scrum with Dana and not bring up

1966
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 2: and ask him what's up with all the story we

1967
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: saw on all the money that's going to lobbyists to

1968
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: essentially counteract the fighter's interests. I don't know if someone

1969
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: has asked him about that, and I'll withhold judgment on

1970
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: anyone if they have, but to show up consistently and

1971
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: I get. I get, dude, that this is a gray

1972
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 2: area and that anything we even say right here can

1973
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: be pulled out of contest, texted to Dana by somebody.

1974
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 2: He can look at it, go what's that guy's name?

1975
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 2: Don't ever give him a credential Again. I get that

1976
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: that's part of this. It is there's a track record

1977
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 2: of this, right it happens, that's Josh Gross. I guess

1978
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: people who've been through that, right, Loretta Haunt has been

1979
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: trashed public ask people's been through that but you know,

1980
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 2: the real scumbags are the people that can show up

1981
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 2: every single day Luke and ask about howlerhead and and

1982
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,560
Speaker 2: and ask about you know, uh has Beulah fighting in

1983
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 2: the cage and not ask about this stuff. That's what

1984
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: I got to say at the end of the day.

1985
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it can be that way too.

1986
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 3: Although you know, again I want to people like to

1987
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 3: blame the individual journalist. I'll defend him here a little bit.

1988
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,600
Speaker 3: You're right, I mean, the spirit of your question is

1989
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 3: totally fair. Are the your argument is totally fair? But also, dude,

1990
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 3: like the companies, we're lucky we can get you know,

1991
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 3: we are we are permitted to do what we want

1992
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 3: with this show, like we are BC and I have

1993
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 3: so much creative control it's we almost have too much,

1994
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 3: to be honest with you. But like I have worked

1995
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 3: in places and I know you have as well, where

1996
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 3: they don't really care about that kind of stuff. Their

1997
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 3: editor never asked them to look for it, and in fact,

1998
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 3: what they would rather have is a media outlet that

1999
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 3: has a positive relationship with various promoters UFC included, where

2000
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 3: they can just send their guys to go and talk

2001
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: about the fights and you know, kind of give passive

2002
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 3: coverage of these more controversial issues, and then everyone moves on,

2003
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 3: all the fighters and a lot of people get mad

2004
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 3: at Bloody Elbow do Bloody Elbow is one of the

2005
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 3: better sites in the sport.

2006
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: They've made plenty of mistakes. I used to run it.

2007
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 3: I made mistakes when I ran it, But they are

2008
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 3: one of the very few places that have given a

2009
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 3: voice to like Kareemsa Dan. They're one of the very

2010
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 3: few places that gave a voice to John Nash. They're

2011
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 3: one of the very few places that are willing to

2012
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 3: be like, hey, I don't think everything in the fight

2013
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 3: game is great. Some things are really fucked up. We

2014
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 3: should talk about those things. And all the other sites

2015
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 3: and all these other places don't do hardly any of

2016
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 3: that shit. Bloody Elbow, by the way, cannot get a

2017
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 3: credential to go to UFC events. I don't believe I

2018
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 3: could be wrong about that, but the last I understood

2019
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:00,799
Speaker 3: that was the case. So shouts to all the journalists

2020
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 3: who like actually do oh right journalism, them being cheap

2021
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 3: among them, and.

2022
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 2: There are and look, I'll give Aaron brons said or

2023
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: a shout. You know, he's got to balance both priorities.

2024
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 2: He works for a company that is the official broadcast

2025
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 2: partner in that country, but does ask Dana some hard

2026
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 2: questions and there is a way to do it. Luke Okay,

2027
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 2: I had Dana on CBS Sports HQ in the midst

2028
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 2: of the pandemic. Did I ask him about the backlash

2029
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 2: of You're damn right? Did I ask him whether Endeavor's

2030
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: financial situation is the reason why Teichi Palace almost happened?

2031
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 2: You're damn right, I asked him, Luke, Okay, there's a

2032
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 2: way to do it and be savvy with that.

2033
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Is that why you haven't had a conversation with him since?

2034
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: No? I actually have. I actually have. Maybe it's more

2035
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: the brand on the microphone. Look, it's not a perfect science.

2036
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:41,560
Speaker 2: You can lose it all you can read, know what

2037
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: I mean. But at the end of the day, come

2038
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: on Tyson Fury. Luke confirming he's in talks with half

2039
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: thor Bjornsen.

2040
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: I know I saw this. I what the fuck?

2041
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 2: He told Telegraphs Sport. It would be a bit of fun.

2042
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 2: It would be great to get in there in front

2043
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 2: of seventy thousand fans and show him what boxing is

2044
01:31:58,120 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 2: all about.

2045
01:31:58,520 --> 01:31:58,640
Speaker 1: Luke.

2046
01:31:58,680 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't give a damn about this.

2047
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mountain is trying to leverage everything he can

2048
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 3: from his role as the Mountain. I like halfthor he

2049
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 3: set the deadlift record during the pandemic, although there's some

2050
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 3: controversy about it, but he's a legitimate strong man. He's

2051
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 3: a legitimate World Strongest Man champion. He's a legitimate deadlift

2052
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 3: record holder. Again, there's some controversy, but it did count,

2053
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 3: you know, for his exploits in that world. I have

2054
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,679
Speaker 3: enormous respect for him. And you know, he actually tried

2055
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 3: to like get good at boxing in as much as

2056
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 3: he could, and he lost like one hundred pounds and

2057
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's got he's three hundred plus pounds

2058
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,440
Speaker 3: with abs which I'm sure came strictly from eating tapioca

2059
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:35,639
Speaker 3: and getting a good night's sleep. But you know, boxing

2060
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 3: because he's the But for folks who made not realize

2061
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 3: he's the same hier, maybe even a little bit taller

2062
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 3: than Tyson Fury.

2063
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I think they're both like six nine. Maybe the Mountain's

2064
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: like six ten.

2065
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 3: But you know, who gives a shit like Tyson Fury

2066
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 3: would box his fucking ears off in any kind of

2067
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 3: real contest.

2068
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: It's stupid. I mean, you know, I don't know what

2069
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,799
Speaker 1: Tyson's doing, but I count.

2070
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Me out and finally, Luke gre Eat days away from

2071
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 2: Jake Paul Hassimrockmond Junior Show Time pay per View August six,

2072
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,799
Speaker 2: MSG Rockman, by the way, told us the same story

2073
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 2: to Ariel on the MMA Hour. Here's his quotes from

2074
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 2: the Designed Boxing Show recently. He's claiming Jake Paul's team

2075
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 2: did a bait and switch to get him to sign.

2076
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:12,560
Speaker 2: Here's the quote. They called me and wanted to know

2077
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 2: what my weight was, how much I had been sparring,

2078
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 2: and all this and that, and they dressed it up

2079
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 2: as if they were calling me to spar Jake for

2080
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,600
Speaker 2: an upcoming Anderson Silver fight because they needed a southpaw.

2081
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 2: They took that information I gave them in an hour later,

2082
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 2: I get a call from my manager saying they want

2083
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 2: to fight. But it was one of those bait and

2084
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 2: switched things where they baited me into getting all the

2085
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 2: information they could and then they switched it. Luke. He

2086
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: also told Ariel specifically that when they called him back,

2087
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 2: they said, here's your offer, here's the money, take it

2088
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 2: or leave it, right now is this normal business practice?

2089
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Did they get him? What do you respond with.

2090
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Here, Luke? I mean, here's the thing. Is it cheating?

2091
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 2: No?

2092
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 3: No, smart, it's real clever. It's a little dirty, a

2093
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 3: little underhanded, but it's smart. It's very smart.

2094
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: So you know, dude, I say this about Jake all

2095
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: the time, like you can like him, you can hate him.

2096
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 3: You don't want to watch his pay per view, don't

2097
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 3: watch it like it's You're not gonna hurt my feelings,

2098
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 3: but use your money in the combat sports world and

2099
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:15,839
Speaker 3: your time however you want. He is not successful by accident.

2100
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: He's just not. You can you can you can like

2101
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: that factor, you can hate that fact. He's not successful

2102
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: by accident. Now I do think he might.

2103
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 3: We'll see on August six if he's getting over his

2104
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 3: skis a little bit with the Sassim Rockmont thing. But

2105
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 3: even then, like it's a weird, kind of shitty way

2106
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 3: to do due diligence, but it's due diligence, right.

2107
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Isn't that at the end of the day. It's kind

2108
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: of what it is. So you gotta be like, you

2109
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: know they he's dude, and also his manager Nikisa smart guy,

2110
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: real smart guy. You know they don't. They're clever. Those

2111
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: are clever people.

2112
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: I say they because Jake also has shown some legit savviness.

2113
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure WOJ and Schefter have done worse

2114
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 2: to get information from somebody. Luke, okay, mister editor, you

2115
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 2: know or I'm going there. Topic five, Luke, It goes

2116
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: down Saturday night, non pm Eastern, a triple header from

2117
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 2: the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, only on Showtime when Danny Garcia,

2118
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 2: the Swag Champ himself DSG makes his return after a

2119
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 2: long layoff from that pay per view loss to Eryl

2120
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 2: Spence and his debut at junior middleweight one five to four,

2121
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:23,559
Speaker 2: and it'll come against former welterweight title contender Jose Benavidez Junior,

2122
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 2: the older brother of super middleweight David Benavidez. Luke, you

2123
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 2: will be calling a two fight pre LIMB sort of

2124
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Speaker 2: watch along party that goes down seven pm Eastern Saturday

2125
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 2: from the Barclay Center. Showtime Sports is YouTube channel. As

2126
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 2: we mentioned you Raoul Marquez, Darn Boots Ennis. But Luke,

2127
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 2: as you look at this main event, Danny Garcia is

2128
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 2: a big favorite here as Benavidez not a regular junior

2129
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 2: middleweight has fought just one time in the last four

2130
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 2: years since his loss to Terence Crawford, a twelfth round

2131
01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 2: knockout on their title fight. That comeback bout Luke. Yeah great,

2132
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 2: but here's the situation. Come Saturday night, he's gonna have

2133
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 2: a big opportunity against one of the biggest names of

2134
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 2: this sport, Danny Garcia. What are your expectations in seeing

2135
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 2: DSG at one five to four.

2136
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm curious about this one. He took time off, so

2137
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,560
Speaker 3: I think he's probably gonna fill out. He's not a

2138
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 3: big You would agree with me, right, He's not a

2139
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 3: big He wasn't a huge one forty seven guy, although

2140
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 3: he's a good size, right.

2141
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: A little collars, but good power, a little on the

2142
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: shorter side, but not like outsized. So I don't I'm

2143
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: a little Here's what I'm just at.

2144
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 3: Do I think he can beat Benavidez, Joe benavide Jose Benavidez, Yes.

2145
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 1: I do.

2146
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 3: I'm curious about the power. I think he'll have enough.

2147
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 3: I still don't know, and maybe you can tell me better.

2148
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 3: Like folks who may not know Benavitez was walking his

2149
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: dog in twenty sixteen or maybe twenty fifteen and some

2150
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 3: guy ran up on him and shot him and he lived, obviously,

2151
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 3: but there was questions about his leg. And if you

2152
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 3: go back to the Terrence Crawford fight where Crawford beats Benavidez,

2153
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 3: Benavidez afterwards is like, yeah, well Crawford beat me on

2154
01:36:58,280 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 3: one leg.

2155
01:36:59,080 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: That was twenty eighteen.

2156
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 3: It's been four years, but he hasn't had many fights

2157
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 3: since then. So like, Danny Garcia should be the faster

2158
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 3: of the two and should have enough power. And I

2159
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 3: often feel like Danny Garcia obviously he's a pretty tremendous favorite,

2160
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 3: and I don't think he gets the credit he deserves, Like, okay,

2161
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 3: do that fight with Thurman could have gone either way,

2162
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, now, he couldn't get it

2163
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 3: done against Spence. And I think part of the reason

2164
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 3: why he's going to one fifty four is because, like,

2165
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 3: the very best opportunities for him are the doors a

2166
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: little bit closed at one forty seven. So he's gonna

2167
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 3: kick the tires at one fifty four and see what happens.

2168
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 3: But here's the thing for MEBC, It's like, Okay, let's

2169
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 3: say he goes in there and beats Benavitez, what is

2170
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 3: he gonna call for. He's probably gonna call for Damel Charlow,

2171
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 3: And it's like, dude, I don't like that fight for

2172
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 3: Danny Garcia at all. I think Charlo would run over him.

2173
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 3: So I actually appreciate Danny Garcia. I like the kind

2174
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 3: of boxer that he is. He didn't have the acclaim

2175
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 3: coming up that Benavidez did, who had the great amateur

2176
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 3: career try of Garcia had to earn it a little

2177
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 3: bit more slowly over time. And he's fought tough guy.

2178
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 3: I know everyone kind of you know, racks on him

2179
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 3: for the Sulka fight, but he fought tough guys too

2180
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 3: at one forty seven, like he really did.

2181
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 1: But it's not that this fight I don't think he

2182
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: can win. It's just I don't know how far he

2183
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 1: can really go at one fifty four. Tell me I'm wrong.

2184
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some questions. That's why there's a lot of

2185
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,600
Speaker 2: intrigue in the idea of what's he gonna look like

2186
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 2: new weight class, long time off. Benavidez is an opponent

2187
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 2: where on one side you can say, okay, maybe this

2188
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 2: is a little bit of a showcase to see what

2189
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 2: Danny has at this weight, because we did see Benavidez

2190
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 2: come back from that long layoff in twenty twenty I'm sorry.

2191
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, he moved up in class in

2192
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 2: terms of weight class, fought Francisco Torres, who was a

2193
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 2: bit of a journeyman, and then struggled to a majority

2194
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 2: draw that you could very much argue Benavidez lost. Yes,

2195
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 2: he still got that bullet in his leg unfortunately from

2196
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 2: that instant you mentioned, which has compromised his movement. But

2197
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 2: at his best, Jose Benavitez is a tricky, gutsy, tough welterweight.

2198
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: He may not have won a ton of rounds against

2199
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Terrence Crafford, but he made that fight difficult until the

2200
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 2: twelfth round when he got stopped. He was sort of

2201
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 2: in that fight. He's a tough out, Luke. If Danny

2202
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: Garcia has got questions moving up in this way, this

2203
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 2: is a guy who could could test some of those

2204
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 2: questions just the same. But for Garcia, man, it's like

2205
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 2: he's always responded well to move it up and wait

2206
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: when he always had trouble making one forty. Although he

2207
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 2: was a great champion there beat Lucas Matissea at twenty

2208
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 2: thirteen in a fight. Everyone had him as an underdog,

2209
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 2: but Luke, when he moved up to aultraweight, he carried

2210
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 2: some power up with him because of the stress it

2211
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 2: wasn't doing to his body making that Now he's going

2212
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 2: to move up to fifty four, which is gonna be interesting.

2213
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 2: I asked him, you know, if he passes this test,

2214
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 2: who does he want next? One interviewed him for Morning Combat.

2215
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,640
Speaker 2: He said, look, historically we go for the best, So

2216
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 2: to your point, could that mean somebody on a Charlow level? Certainly?

2217
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 2: I think there's also a big potential business. Luke and

2218
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 2: him and I talked about that about maybe a rematch

2219
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 2: with Keith Thurman at one fifty four, as both have

2220
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 2: talked about wanting that fight and wanting it at this

2221
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 2: weight class. And again we've also seen Danny Garcia push

2222
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 2: on Porter to the limit and his only other loss

2223
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 2: outside of that Spence fight in the Thurman fight. But Luke,

2224
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,120
Speaker 2: I did we talked to Danny Garcia. He just seems

2225
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 2: happy to be back. And the first thing I asked

2226
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 2: him was like, where the hell you been, bro? It's

2227
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 2: been a while since we've seen DSG. Let's go to

2228
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 2: the videotape.

2229
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 4: You know, I would just spending time with my family,

2230
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 4: you know, taking advantage of the regular things in life,

2231
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 4: you know, uh being a family man, you know, traveling,

2232
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 4: having fun, giving my time, giving myself some time to

2233
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 4: miss the sport. And that's what I was doing, because,

2234
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 4: like I said before, this is all mental. Boxing game

2235
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 4: is all mental. If you don't feel menstally good, you

2236
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 4: feel messically tired, then you're not gonna perform well. So

2237
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 4: I'll just get my time, giving myself some time to

2238
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 4: missing sport and mentally recoup and physically recoup.

2239
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 2: And just feel good again.

2240
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 4: And that's that's why I'm back.

2241
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 2: Look, he went on to talk about the hunger that

2242
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 2: he kind of lost, right. You know, he was a

2243
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 2: big game hunter there for a while, fought thurmans, you know,

2244
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 2: then eventually finds porter, then spent on pay per view,

2245
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 2: would have some in between tests, but would always kind

2246
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 2: of look to step back up. But look, you know,

2247
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 2: the the talk in the second half of his career,

2248
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 2: as you see him on Instagram with the you know,

2249
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 2: spending the money buying the businesses he owns that complex,

2250
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 2: with the car repair shop, the barbershop. You see crazy

2251
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 2: Angel his dad and train to run around in the

2252
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 2: expensive pajamas. As I asked him, some have questioned whether

2253
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:17,559
Speaker 2: he still has that hunger. I'm not going to play

2254
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 2: that sound, but he went on to tell me he

2255
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 2: had to rediscover it, and I think that's key Luke

2256
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 2: in long careers, sort of taking that minute to sit

2257
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 2: out find that love again. He said it took him

2258
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 2: going to gyms and sparring with the likes of Chris

2259
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 2: Colbert in Miami, Stephen Fulton Junior, He's close with Bootsanis

2260
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. Kind of seeing those guys in the gym,

2261
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 2: seeing them in their big fights, rekindling that magic. So

2262
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 2: I've got, you know, good hope that he may be

2263
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 2: able to still find another strong chapter at this weight class.

2264
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 2: But I did ask him specifically the third sound we

2265
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 2: have here on what it will look like style wise

2266
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 2: for him at one fifty four and whether he thinks

2267
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 2: he can keep that strength and bring it up with him.

2268
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 2: Let's go to these back to back clips to close

2269
01:41:58,479 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 2: out here.

2270
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, I definitely want to use my jab more.

2271
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like I have a great jab

2272
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 4: and I put it away. I don't so my you know,

2273
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 4: I'm working on using my jab definitely going up in wait.

2274
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 4: So I want to build more muscle. I want to

2275
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 4: be physically stronger. I want to be strong and just

2276
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 4: put everything I learned in my career on the table

2277
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 4: at night. You use all my experience and all my tricks. Yeah, definitely,

2278
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm gonna be a lot stronger, and

2279
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have more stamina.

2280
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: You know.

2281
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm able to work on things.

2282
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,679
Speaker 4: I'm able to run more. I'm able to push myself

2283
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 4: without feeling like I'm burning myself out, you know. So

2284
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,839
Speaker 4: I'm definitely going to feel good. I feel good already

2285
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 4: and we're just putting in the work and everything's going

2286
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 4: good and we're just getting better and better every day.

2287
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting, Luke, those back to back answers,

2288
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 2: because when you look at Danny Garcia as a whole,

2289
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 2: what has held them back against the very elite, It's

2290
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 2: always come down to foot speed. I think that's always

2291
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 2: been his achilles heel against the very elite. A a

2292
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 2: porter or a spense is that Danny Garcia needs to

2293
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 2: set and be and be stoic to throw those big shots,

2294
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, that looping left hook that he throws, that

2295
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 2: he sets up with a body shot with the right

2296
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 2: hand and then comes across. That's a finishing move, you know.

2297
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 2: Look at the Rod Salka highlights, look at the highlight reel,

2298
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 2: look at when he debuted the opening night at the

2299
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:19,919
Speaker 2: Barclay Center twenty twelve and the rematch with Eric Morales.

2300
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 2: That's a devastating shot. But at his core, Luke, he

2301
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 2: is a very good boxer, an underrated boxer. When you

2302
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 2: move up and wait, that speed advantage sometimes can close

2303
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 2: when you're the smaller guy moving up and it's not

2304
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 2: an issue. Could you see him being more of a

2305
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 2: boxer looking to try to counter with big shots, almost

2306
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 2: like a later stage one when Melo Marquez at this

2307
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 2: weight class.

2308
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: Hmmm, that's interesting.

2309
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 3: What's funny is I actually think he'll be the more

2310
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 3: fleet of foot of the two in this case. Yeah,

2311
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:52,839
Speaker 3: you know, I actually don't think he has to retreat

2312
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 3: to the problems that plagued him at one forty seven.

2313
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,719
Speaker 3: Not that he's got like a new style or something

2314
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,799
Speaker 3: or whatever, but I think between the two he'll actually

2315
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 3: be able to be at least I'll say this, if

2316
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 3: not the fastest of the feat the one that has

2317
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 3: the behind the jab. If the jab really works in

2318
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 3: the way that he's talking about, the guy who can

2319
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 3: proactively set angles, the guy who can proactively just he

2320
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 3: can have a little bit more of what he needs

2321
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 3: combined with the jab to use more movement in a

2322
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 3: way that is more in keeping with his skills. So

2323
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 3: the way you point out one forty seven, it kind

2324
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 3: of held him back a little bit. So I actually

2325
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 3: feel like if if he says what he told you

2326
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 3: is correct, that the job is gonna be a little

2327
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 3: more of a forward part of his game relative to

2328
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 3: what it has been behind that jab, using the footwork,

2329
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 3: setting angle, setting traps, turning his opponent, I actually think

2330
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 3: that could be a really good way for him to

2331
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 3: win this contest. Again, it's just against someone like Jamel Charlow,

2332
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:49,560
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, that's a I don't know about that.

2333
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Speaker 2: You know, well, I think his ability to box is

2334
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 2: gonna save him against these elites. He's gonna be competitive,

2335
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 2: He's going to be in there. Can he find that

2336
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 2: next level gear something he couldn't find against Spence and

2337
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 2: maybe Luke When you try to turn it on against

2338
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 2: somebody like Spence and he's putting it on you. Maybe

2339
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 2: you get to that decision of is it worth the risk?

2340
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 2: But there were elements in that Spence fight where he

2341
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 2: was competitive, but we we wanted him to see more.

2342
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 2: We may have to see more at this level against

2343
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:16,560
Speaker 2: these elites, but I don't think he's gonna chase it.

2344
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be steady with the boxing and

2345
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 2: look for that opening to land big shots encounter. So

2346
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 2: here's what's interesting. Should he beat Jose Benavidez Junior on

2347
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 2: what we've seen of late, who's not a full fledged

2348
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 2: junior middleweight, probably, and I think the betting odds show

2349
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:33,480
Speaker 2: you that. But look, this is a huge opportunity for Benevetez,

2350
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 2: who from the shooting, from the long time off after

2351
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 2: losing the fight against Terrence Crawford in twenty eighteen, then

2352
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 2: switching promoters, being out throughout the pandemic. He kind of

2353
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,640
Speaker 2: has a shot in one night here to put his

2354
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 2: entire career back on track. I mean, he was the

2355
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 2: promised prospect to your point earlier, trained by his dad,

2356
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 2: Jose Senior, whereas David Benavidez was, you know, in his teens,

2357
01:45:57,640 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 2: he was like a two hundred fifty pounds heavyweight. He

2358
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 2: the guy who's kind of came out of nowhere and

2359
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 2: made a run in the family, but Jose was once

2360
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 2: that guy. This is that opportunity against as big of

2361
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 2: a name as he could get in this situation to

2362
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 2: try to maybe expose Danny Garcia at this weight class

2363
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 2: or after this layoff, I'm gonna have to see a

2364
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:18,639
Speaker 2: hungry Benavidez Luke, but not too hungry, because you try

2365
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 2: to do that against somebody as technical as Garcia, He's

2366
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 2: gonna catch you with that counter left hook and it's

2367
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 2: gonna be over. So this is gonna be an interesting

2368
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 2: test at the end of the day.

2369
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: Is it me? Or has Angel Garcia been like real quiet?

2370
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't give him the mic like they used to,

2371
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 2: like the glory days of Angel going toe to toe

2372
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 2: with zab Judah and his father, Like those days are over.

2373
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 2: A couple of times, I think Angel went a little

2374
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 2: too far on the mic, Luke, you know what I'm saying, Like,

2375
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 2: and I think they had to rein him in. But

2376
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 2: he still takes the pressure off of Danny. They still

2377
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,639
Speaker 2: work great together. Danny's still a star. Let's see Luke,

2378
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 2: he gets by this test. Whether it's Thurman, whether it's

2379
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 2: the winner of Zoo Versus, whether it's Fundorra. That'd be

2380
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 2: a weird fight, right.

2381
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: Thought about that, dude. That's a tough fight either way. Actually,

2382
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: that's a fun one. Yeah.

2383
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed this is the triple header. As I mentioned,

2384
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 2: can't sleep on Adam Kovnatzki. Luke had those had those

2385
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 2: two losses to Robert Helenius, who's, by the way, and

2386
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 2: rumored to be in talks of potentially getting Deontay Wilder

2387
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 2: making a comeback after a long layoff. Kovnazki's friends with

2388
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 2: Joanna Young j check Luke and I actually saw a

2389
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 2: video of Covnaci coming down to American Top Team, so

2390
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:31,520
Speaker 2: he's really looking to get in shape. He's a busy, aggressive,

2391
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,799
Speaker 2: active heavyweight, but he doesn't have that fight changing power.

2392
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 2: And if you can stand in front of him with

2393
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 2: a heavy jab and pick him apart as Helenius did,

2394
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 2: you can expose him. This is a big fight. He's

2395
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 2: gonna be taken on Ali Aaron demez Erin, who's actually

2396
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:47,719
Speaker 2: a minus one sixty five betting favorite against Covnazi. Something

2397
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 2: to watch there in the Colemane and look that opener.

2398
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 2: Gary Antoine Russell, the brother of Gary Russell Junior, who

2399
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 2: beat Victor Postal and a huge step up fight. Dude,

2400
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 2: He's taken on Rancis Barthelomi, who's been around a while,

2401
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 2: who tricky that Cuban style. It's gonna be a good

2402
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 2: fight to.

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01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 3: Open things up, Yeah, Russell, Gary Antoine Russell kind of

2404
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 3: like I feel like because here's the thing, you know,

2405
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 3: Rancis Bartholomy not not accused of being the most crowd

2406
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 3: pleasing fighter ever. I think that's a fair way to

2407
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 3: put It's fair Gary Antoine Russell, I think showing a

2408
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 3: little bit of moxy up to this point in his career,

2409
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 3: kind of putting it on people when he needs to.

2410
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: He's a heavy favorite here as well. I like this fight.

2411
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 3: By the way, Gary Antoin Russell out of the DC area,

2412
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 3: so you know that's where my heart's gonna be. But

2413
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 3: it's a tough one because Barthelomey can be a little

2414
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,160
Speaker 3: bit tricky. But the real question for me is, you know,

2415
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 3: I think obviously Russell can win. I would like to

2416
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 3: see how much he can press bartholemy. I think that's

2417
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 3: the one I'm looking for. Also, dude, you know, my

2418
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:44,719
Speaker 3: Spanish is fucking horrendous.

2419
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 1: It's not any good.

2420
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 3: So when I went in for the fighter meetings on Zoom,

2421
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 3: the main card ones were bleeding into the prelim cards

2422
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 3: where I was set up for, and then you know,

2423
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 3: Ransis had just showed up. His Spanish was indecipherable to me,

2424
01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 3: to the point where even the translator didn't know what

2425
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 3: he was saying. That actually happened on the fighters that

2426
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck he's saying like he

2427
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 3: is speaking.

2428
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 2: Dude, Rancais. I've been a huge Barthelome guy. I fall

2429
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:10,719
Speaker 2: in love with the Cuban boxers.

2430
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: Luke, he never quite lived up to it.

2431
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 2: He's had though somewhat disappointing performances, but he's been you know,

2432
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 2: he's showing those elite flashes of skill, and you know

2433
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 2: this is a fight where he is a heavy favorite

2434
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,240
Speaker 2: against a guy who's coming on. But he's gonna have

2435
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,759
Speaker 2: to show that crafty veteran side when you make Bartelling

2436
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 2: me fight you, Luke, I do feel like he's a

2437
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 2: better fighter, He's more dangerous. But the way that Gary

2438
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 2: Antoine Russell walked down postal and put the action on him,

2439
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,240
Speaker 2: which led to that stoppage. He looks to be good.

2440
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 2: I know that the Russell family lost to their father,

2441
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 2: patriarch and trainer, but you know he's got his brother,

2442
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 2: Gary Russell Junior as his lead trainer in the corner.

2443
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens Saturday night. That's a nine

2444
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 2: pm Eastern triple header start on showtime. Don't forget Luke

2445
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 2: Thomas in those prelims seven pm Eastern Raoul Marquez Boots

2446
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 2: Ennis should be a good time had by all. Luke.

2447
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 2: We closed the show every Friday with a segment and

2448
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,719
Speaker 2: the fans can put us on trial. Morningcombat at gmail

2449
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 2: dot com is the email address reach out to Mikey Morms.

2450
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 2: Tell him what we did wrong, but you better bring receipts.

2451
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 2: You better be able to back it up. It's called

2452
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 2: did wrong.

2453
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:15,400
Speaker 1: Dead wrong, all right.

2454
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 3: I took an absolute ass whooping last weekend. I'm expecting

2455
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 3: to take another one. That's usually what happens on these

2456
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 3: but maybe maybe it'll be a little more evenly distributed

2457
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 3: this time.

2458
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: We'll see.

2459
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 2: Well, Kevin's coming after you, Luke. Imk Donks, like any

2460
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,719
Speaker 2: frequent listener, I enjoy Luke's catch phrases like upperbound limits

2461
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 2: and let he who is without san kess the first stone,

2462
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:38,599
Speaker 2: or even one would be foolish to count out x fighter. However,

2463
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 2: one phrase he's been using as unfortunately dead wrong. At

2464
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 2: the two hour and one minute mark of Wednesday show,

2465
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 2: while stalling for the tom aspinall interview that would eventually

2466
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 2: never happen. This was last week, Luke says Cinderella is

2467
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 2: going to turn back into a pumpkin here pretty soon.

2468
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, this is dead.

2469
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 2: Wrong because in the story it's not Cinderella but her

2470
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 2: carriage who turns into a pumpkin. And to the BBC,

2471
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 2: I just want to say, I hope you try stand

2472
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 2: up comedy and get a tight ten. I've watched all

2473
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:10,679
Speaker 2: your shows, dude, I couldn't stop laughing. Your mannerisms are everything. Well, look,

2474
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 2: this is an uphill battle, by the way, so one

2475
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 2: you're dead wrong, you'll take the l we'll move on

2476
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 2: from that. I would have said the same thing. I

2477
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 2: would have made that same analogy.

2478
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:20,600
Speaker 1: But look, you know that.

2479
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,560
Speaker 2: While you believe my comedy stylings are vastly overrated and

2480
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,160
Speaker 2: not anywhere close to the irrational confidence that I have

2481
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 2: in delivering it.

2482
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 1: Quite true, It's not quite true.

2483
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 2: I think you would say that if there is any

2484
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 2: comedic genius in here. I'm a counterpuncher. I give you

2485
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 2: that witty reference back at you, or that counter question.

2486
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm not a prepare the material, carry out the material

2487
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 2: type of guy. So this is a little bit like

2488
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,639
Speaker 2: asking Tyrone Woodley to go from the octagon to box

2489
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:50,560
Speaker 2: and Jake Paul here Luke, Well, I get knocked the

2490
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 2: fuck out or not. That's what I'm asking.

2491
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to get knock the fuck out, because

2492
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 3: my understanding is everybody bombs. But here's the thing. It's

2493
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 3: not that I don't think you're very funny. I think

2494
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:01,639
Speaker 3: you're very funny. I just feel like you think ninety

2495
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 3: percent of your jokes are funny, and I don't. I

2496
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 3: think it's closer to twenty to thirty percent. But well, hold,

2497
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 3: but that's the whole point, right, You got to you

2498
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 3: gotta weed out the bad stuff take the good stuff.

2499
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 1: And it's not a tight ten bro, you ain't doing

2500
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 1: ten fucking I'm doing a tight time.

2501
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 2: You think I'm gonna have like three minutes and after

2502
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 2: crowd work for seven Looke.

2503
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: No chance, No, but you gotta take that.

2504
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,240
Speaker 3: I'll be generous thirty maybe even forty percent. Tighten that

2505
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 3: up and use all of that shit together for a

2506
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 3: tight five.

2507
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: That's what you want.

2508
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 2: What's the most amount of minutes of those ten that

2509
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 2: I should work on? Visectimy humor?

2510
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 1: In your eyes?

2511
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:38,640
Speaker 3: Ooh, your viseective humor is pretty good, actually solid, a

2512
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 3: full solid two minutes, I think.

2513
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:41,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll work in two for that.

2514
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens here.

2515
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 2: Luke, alright, look this is from Nima. Hello, MK, team.

2516
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 2: I know you're doing a great job.

2517
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 1: I know you've got mail every week showtimesma.

2518
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 2: No, but shout out to to Uh to Uh the

2519
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 2: Wizard of Godz himself, Nima Gazie, one of the best

2520
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 2: people on this planet. Nima, you're watching. Okay, Hello MK.

2521
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 2: I know you're doing a great job. I know you've

2522
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 2: got mail every week. I know you scoar the globe

2523
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 2: to find the best feces that are of liking of BC.

2524
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 2: But how can you do a pre fight breakdown of

2525
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:14,120
Speaker 2: Aspinall versus Blades and say Aspinall's only submission win was

2526
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 2: against Arlavsky when Aspinall's very last fight against Volkoff was

2527
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 2: one via submission, thanks for taking the out, Luke, this

2528
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:24,280
Speaker 2: is aimed at me. Technically, yes, I said that wrong,

2529
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 2: I was subconsciously saying, essentially before before the most recent fight,

2530
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 2: his only submission had been you're right, I'm wrong, But

2531
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 2: you get where I was sort of looking at it. Yes,

2532
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 2: I'll take the la.

2533
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 1: This show we take away people's wins, we change them.

2534
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 1: We just invent fights they don't even fucking have.

2535
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 2: So you know, we havevent our own chances of DM

2536
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:46,880
Speaker 2: sliding to one hundred and fifty pounty senders.

2537
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:50,080
Speaker 1: We do weird things on the show. Give us awards, please. Uh.

2538
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 2: Here's from John. On episode three twenty seven, at one

2539
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 2: eight thirty nine, BC said that Musayev was the last

2540
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:58,759
Speaker 2: person to beat Patricky Pitbull.

2541
01:53:59,479 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: This is dead.

2542
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 2: I'll take the l here. Peter Queely is the last

2543
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 2: person to beat him, coming via doctor stoppage due to

2544
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 2: a cut after round two.

2545
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: It was in Musia's last fight before Bellator.

2546
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 2: True, I had said that, but technically Peter Coley did

2547
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:15,120
Speaker 2: beat him, and then they had the rematch for the

2548
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 2: interim title, right, and then Patricky won the Championship.

2549
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: So there you go. I was dead wrong.

2550
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 2: Correct, this is the cheese Man coming in my favorite

2551
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:28,600
Speaker 2: MMA podcast Personalities. While I love both of you, I

2552
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 2: need to set my cross hairs on BC this week.

2553
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:35,560
Speaker 2: Oh BC's criticism of Molly McKinnon's win and celebration was

2554
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 2: totally out of line. Quite frankly, was dead wrong. I

2555
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 2: knew you were going to her last two wins were

2556
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 2: not against ranked opponents. They are not cans with lack

2557
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 2: of fans for so long, with England being such a

2558
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,919
Speaker 2: hot market right now, and with two spinning elbow victories

2559
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 2: in a division that doesn't feature a lot of finishes,

2560
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:57,840
Speaker 2: these are exceptional results and deserve to be celebrated. You

2561
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 2: washed Factory Town, dub t the dirty old hillbilly with

2562
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 2: love the cheese Man, Luke. I did take I did

2563
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 2: take a lot of criticism for this. Is it Is

2564
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 2: it possible for me to look at the Molly situation

2565
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 2: and just say it was too much without necessarily meaning

2566
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 2: I hate her or I'm going too far.

2567
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 1: It did seem like you wanted to reign on her parade.

2568
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 3: Now I would not call I mean the method of

2569
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 3: victories are exceptional, the quality of opponents are fine. I

2570
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 3: mean they're fine, They're not The quality of opponents were

2571
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:32,640
Speaker 3: not exceptional. I mean GSP beating VJ Penn in the rematch,

2572
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 3: that was exceptional, right that that at that moment in

2573
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 3: time certainly anyway.

2574
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 1: So no, we're not gonna put it on that level.

2575
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:38,240
Speaker 1: But they were good.

2576
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 3: They were the method, the victory was phenomenal. The opponents

2577
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 3: were credentialed and fine. But you definitely, I'm telling you, guys,

2578
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 3: don't know BC. If BC can set the tone and

2579
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 3: the party revolves around BC, do He's all in. He's

2580
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 3: the life of the party. He'll be your fucking best

2581
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 3: friend on earth. But if somehow the party doesn't focus

2582
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 3: on him, my man is Lithuanian exiting at the first

2583
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 3: fucking crack of dawn.

2584
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 1: He is gone, Wow, I.

2585
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 2: Have to look. I'm gonna have to look at the

2586
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 2: man in the mirror after this one, Luke, and maybe

2587
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 2: ask him to change his ways. I think you've struck

2588
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 2: a nerve inside of me.

2589
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 1: But I know you, bitch, I know you. I know

2590
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 1: you so well. You know me too, like fair enough,

2591
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 1: like you can dress me down as well, But I

2592
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 1: know your tendency.

2593
01:56:19,320 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 2: I do apologize for any Molly fans or Molly herself

2594
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 2: if I came off too harsh in my attempt to

2595
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 2: frame the entertainment she provided. But can we reserve jumping

2596
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 2: over the fence for everyone for like a major breakthrough moment? Please?

2597
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 1: Can there be like agreed? Agreed?

2598
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 2: Finally, Luke, this is from a p one from Finland.

2599
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 2: His name is Lassie Lassie la SSI. How would you

2600
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 2: pronounce it? Okay, dear donk Masters. At one thirty eight

2601
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: of episode three twenty seven, during Deep BC's highlight reel

2602
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 2: of Elder abuse and CTE, he referred to Jack Hermanson

2603
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 2: as the Nordic Nightmare. Although mister Hermanson possesses hellish ground

2604
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:03,480
Speaker 2: in power skills, calling such a name are calling such

2605
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 2: a nice guy a nightmare is not only unfitting but

2606
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 2: also dead wrong. His nickname is, of course, the Joker,

2607
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 2: which is much more fitting to his personality. Nordic Nightmare

2608
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 2: refers to another fighter from the Nordics, heavyweight boxer and

2609
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 2: my countryman, Robert Helenius from Finland, who is rumored to

2610
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:25,120
Speaker 2: be Deontay Wilder's next appointment. I just mentioned him earlier. Seriously,

2611
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 2: A p one from Finland. So what am I dead

2612
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 2: wrong that I took Helenius his nickname and casually applied

2613
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 2: it to Hermanson who now lives in the Nordic territories?

2614
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:39,200
Speaker 3: Right, I mean there are there's it's always kind of

2615
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:43,080
Speaker 3: complicated about like his Yes, that's correct, that's what you

2616
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:45,880
Speaker 3: did wrong. But there's always like this weird thing about like,

2617
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 3: well is he you know he's Norwegian, but he's really

2618
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 3: he trains in Sweden, so what he.

2619
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 1: Flies both flags? And you know, where does the where

2620
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 1: does his territorial allegiance really go to? And so it

2621
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of gets confused.

2622
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 2: But all right, I mean it's take the l. But

2623
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't necessarily saying that's his nickname. I was all right, whatever,

2624
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 2: we pandemic pieces of shit. You get your time every

2625
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:10,560
Speaker 2: Friday to call us out. It's Morning Combat at Gmail

2626
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 2: again the email address for this segment.

2627
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 1: Hey, I've got one for you. I've got one for

2628
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:16,280
Speaker 1: you for Wednesday.

2629
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:17,840
Speaker 3: I was talking about I was talking to my wife

2630
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 3: about your nickname for Brandon Moreno, boy, she did not

2631
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 3: love it.

2632
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 1: She did not love it.

2633
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 2: What dude, it means it means big balls and it talk.

2634
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 3: To her about it First of all, you called him

2635
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:31,960
Speaker 3: el eluevos grande. To be correct, it would have to

2636
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 3: be well, it's weird, right, so it have to be.

2637
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:35,960
Speaker 1: So this is what this is.

2638
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:39,160
Speaker 3: Okay, my Spanish is fucking terrible. So I was asking her, like, okay,

2639
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 3: how would you call someone mister big balls? And she

2640
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:43,880
Speaker 3: was like, well, first of all, it'd be signor, it'd

2641
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 3: be signor number one, not not like l. That would

2642
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:49,280
Speaker 3: be the And then the other part is like, if

2643
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:52,480
Speaker 3: you were doing the part, it's weird because even though it'suevos,

2644
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 3: it would be las. And she also says, you wouldn't

2645
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 3: say grande second, you would actually say it first. But

2646
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 3: even then she goes, that would be like a literal translation,

2647
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 3: it would actually beavon. But hoyvon is also dude, which

2648
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:09,360
Speaker 3: can change depending on like you know, all different like

2649
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,320
Speaker 3: Mexico would have a different word for it in Colombian, Olivia,

2650
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:14,880
Speaker 3: all that shit. So she was basically saying, like, the

2651
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 3: version that you pitched to Brandon Moreno was quite possibly

2652
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:20,680
Speaker 3: the most confused version imaginable.

2653
01:59:21,240 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 2: So what did it sound like in translation?

2654
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 1: To him?

2655
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 2: What did it's? What did I say? I said the egg?

2656
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 1: You said the egg big, big, big big, the egg big,

2657
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:32,920
Speaker 1: all right, the egg big.

2658
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 2: Like, So that's more of the newness paina. Did you

2659
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 2: see Juliana say, whoever has the bigger ovaries is going

2660
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 2: to win this fight? List?

2661
01:59:43,120 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can we not? Can we not do that? That's

2662
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 1: the thing we cannot do.

2663
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 2: Whoever has the tighter tubes wins the fight.

2664
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't.

2665
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:52,240
Speaker 2: I don't know much about that area there, Luke. I've

2666
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 2: been there a few times, but I don't.

2667
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2668
01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 2: I don't linger that.

2669
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: We never got three needles when not enough anesthesia? Really,

2670
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 1: can you dictate this?

2671
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 2: Did you see Mike, our producer, just trying to talk

2672
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 2: shit and dead wrong us? Did you see that in the.

2673
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 3: Chat, Luke, I was gonna do dead wrong? You guys,

2674
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:08,879
Speaker 3: uh for saying you didn't want to do storylines Wednesday?

2675
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 3: Then did an entire hour straight up storylines. Yeah, because

2676
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 3: we just didn't want to do it in the regular way,

2677
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 3: d bag. We wanted to fucking you know, put some

2678
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 3: creativity and lighten it up with five burning questions.

2679
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 1: Motherfucker?

2680
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 3: How hard are that to understand? See, here we go,

2681
02:00:21,560 --> 02:00:23,960
Speaker 3: Mikey coming for the king. You best not miss we

2682
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 3: didn't want to do it in a plane. Here's here's

2683
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 3: Mikey the chef. Here's a piece of bread. Eat that ship.

2684
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:30,400
Speaker 1: We're like, can we dress it up? Maybe put some

2685
02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly on it. No bread, fucking eat

2686
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:35,920
Speaker 1: that white bread? Shit? Can we get like wheat bread?

2687
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 2: No?

2688
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:38,880
Speaker 3: Motherfuckerre we trying to dress it up? You know what

2689
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:40,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like you can have salad on one side

2690
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,200
Speaker 3: and the leaves and then the dressing. Put it together,

2691
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:45,240
Speaker 3: make this solid mix it that ship.

2692
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:47,680
Speaker 2: Maybe if the pregame preview went on on Sunday like

2693
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:52,960
Speaker 2: it was preapproved to, we wouldn't have had that. Sorry,

2694
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 2: gott them? Okay, yes, yes, all right. Here are our

2695
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:05,680
Speaker 2: social channels that you can follow us at. Right there. Uh,

2696
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 2: you can buy our merch Morning Combat dot Story. I'm

2697
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:09,760
Speaker 2: telling you it looks good on you, It really does.

2698
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:11,880
Speaker 2: It looks good on me. Well maybe I'm not the

2699
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,880
Speaker 2: best example, but shout out again to Chuck Mindenhall, the

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Speaker 2: myth dot com m I t H. You can buy

2701
02:01:18,600 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 2: his merch. You can buy this Boston scaley cap with

2702
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Speaker 2: his own logo. Look, he's got his own damn logo

2703
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 2: on this.

2704
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 1: Do you see this bullshit, I know I gotta get one.

2705
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:28,640
Speaker 3: I actually like those kinds of hats, and I also,

2706
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:31,480
Speaker 3: you know, like you, I look like a complete douchebag

2707
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:33,360
Speaker 3: wearing it, but I don't anymore.

2708
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:35,600
Speaker 2: Dude, I I I don't want to look like Rogan,

2709
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:37,440
Speaker 2: but I do have a little Randy Cooter vibe in

2710
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:37,960
Speaker 2: this hat, right.

2711
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if cooter is a word

2712
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 1: that we should be saying.

2713
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:46,240
Speaker 2: That's my captain, that's my captain of my country.

2714
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:48,760
Speaker 3: We've I've gotten of all the things we've said on

2715
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 3: this show, there's only one time I got a phone

2716
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:52,680
Speaker 3: call from like upper showtime management.

2717
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: I can't even repeat what the word is. Cooter is

2718
02:01:55,320 --> 02:02:02,240
Speaker 1: not the word, but it might involve now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

2719
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 2: Believe you were told you can say a lot of

2720
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,200
Speaker 2: things that will overlook, but do not say that.

2721
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:09,480
Speaker 1: Ye please, don't fucking say that again. I was like, yeah, okay,

2722
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 1: that seems all right.

2723
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:13,200
Speaker 2: Shut out to Mikey Morms, Long Island, Luke and Gaff

2724
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:15,800
Speaker 2: Pierre on the Ones and twos. Gaffs straight back from

2725
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:17,920
Speaker 2: that vacation in Jamaica, Luke pictures looking good?

2726
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean, you know, My man's out there

2727
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:21,920
Speaker 1: having the time of his life.

2728
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:25,240
Speaker 2: God bless him, climbing trees, living life with his lady.

2729
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 2: What Gaff's an American hero? I love that guy all right.

2730
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:31,360
Speaker 2: For our great teams are staff, Luke, do you again?

2731
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:33,040
Speaker 2: Do you want to address next week when I won't

2732
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:34,520
Speaker 2: be here, No, you don't care.

2733
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:38,200
Speaker 1: Yes, we will have We will have plenty of So

2734
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 1: here's the thing.

2735
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:41,440
Speaker 2: We are.

2736
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:42,920
Speaker 1: Let me think this through.

2737
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,720
Speaker 3: We're gonna have some post UFC two seventy seven coverage.

2738
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 3: There may not be a live show on Saturday, but

2739
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 3: there'll be a video up on Sunday one way or

2740
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 3: the other. So we are going to get that out,

2741
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:52,400
Speaker 3: so don't worry about that. So that'll be in play.

2742
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 3: And then the next week we are gonna have just

2743
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:59,080
Speaker 3: a series of rotating guests to come and join me.

2744
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,400
Speaker 3: Some of them might be nominated for in fact MMA awards,

2745
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:05,840
Speaker 3: you never know, but uh yeah, so we'll have plenty

2746
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:07,280
Speaker 3: of that. And then we're gonna lean to Jake Paul

2747
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:09,080
Speaker 3: fight week a little bit obviously as a showtime property.

2748
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:10,640
Speaker 3: You and I are gonna be there at least on

2749
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:14,680
Speaker 3: fight Day together for that. So yeah, don't worry. Plenty

2750
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:16,760
Speaker 3: MK will roll on. It's never the same when VC's

2751
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:19,160
Speaker 3: not there. I can admit that. I think everyone understands that.

2752
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:21,280
Speaker 3: But it will be good and we'll get you guys

2753
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:22,240
Speaker 3: ready for all the fights as.

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Speaker 2: We I'll be back for that Saturday night August sixth.

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Speaker 2: You and I are maybe gonna be calling some prelimbs,

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Speaker 2: maybe doing a post show. Look, there'd be some fun

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Speaker 2: that's going on, so we'll see what happens there. Reminder quickly,

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Speaker 2: last chance for you to advance us to the next

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Speaker 2: round for the People's Choice Podcast Awards. Hit this QR

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Speaker 2: code right here or go to Podcast Awards.

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's something. There's a website that's involved.

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Speaker 1: And also MMA Awards two.

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Speaker 2: And also the World MMA Awards, brought to you by

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Speaker 2: Fighters Only magazine. We won Best MMA Programming last year,

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Speaker 2: by the way, the first time a non UFC produced

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Speaker 2: TV show one Best MMA Programming. We are the pioneer

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Speaker 2: of podcasting. Maybe not, but you get what I'm saying there.

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Speaker 2: We're up against Ariel Rogan and many UFC vehicles. Vote

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Speaker 2: for us, and I'm sure, I'm sure we'll reward you

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Speaker 2: in some way. I mean the show's free at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day.

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Speaker 1: All right, free and lengthy I mean.

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Speaker 2: Eventure speaking of late Well, maybe not lengthy, but we

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Speaker 2: will get our only pipes account going. Probably won't be

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Speaker 2: that lengthy.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, maybe girthy.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what we'll see what we produced there. But

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Speaker 2: for the great Luke Thomas, I am your co host

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Speaker 2: reminding you take a step back this weekend. Take care

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Speaker 2: of the brain. Okay, Okay, we love you. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: get through this. If you need us to be by

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Speaker 2: your side that just keep replaying this show over and again.

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Speaker 2: We love you, Thank you, enjoy the fights this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I'll be on a cruise ship. I'm gonna come back healthy,

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Speaker 2: happy and ready to bang. Okay, that's all you can

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Speaker 2: ask of me, right.

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Speaker 1: We end it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, hu out y