WEBVTT - 8. The Springs

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<v Speaker 1>Denver wasn't the only city in Colorado that saw racial

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<v Speaker 1>justice protests and clashes. There was also a lot going

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<v Speaker 1>on south of Denver in the much smaller city of

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Springs. In the summer of twenty twenty, a nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>organization in Colorado Springs called the Chinook Center has opened

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<v Speaker 1>their new office in a low rent strip mall near

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<v Speaker 1>the airport. The founders are hoping to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>gathering point for left wing activists and organizations across the area.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long after it opens, a young white woman named

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea shows up offering to volunteer. She had like bright

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<v Speaker 1>pink hair. She dressed in a way that was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of noticeable. This is Samantha Christiansen, who co founded the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinook Center. Samantha is guarded with her language, a little

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<v Speaker 1>politically correct even. I mean, there was nothing wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>the way that she dressed, but it was noticeable, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and for provoking certain types of I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to say that. I'll take that part out.

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea dressed in a way that was noticeable, Samantha says.

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<v Speaker 1>What she won't say is what I'll say, Chelsea dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that was sexually provocative miniskirts, tall boots,

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<v Speaker 1>fishnet stockings, a lot of skin on display. She implied

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of like getting to know her or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>that she was a sex worker to me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know other people she told other people she was. That's

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<v Speaker 1>John Christiansen, Samantha's husband and one of the other co

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<v Speaker 1>founders of the Chinook Center. But yes, that was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of her story. She had hinted at that it was

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<v Speaker 1>like sex work, but never like outright came and said it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess we all just assumed. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn Carter Wallace, another Colorado Springs activist. I think somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else had told me that, and I just was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense, Like I never questioned it, which is

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<v Speaker 1>very weird too, because I normally questioned everything. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the one time I didn't. Just about everyone in the

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Springs activist community knew Chelsea, and most everyone thought

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<v Speaker 1>she's a sex worker. But Chelsea isn't a sex worker.

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea isn't even her real name. And even though she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't drive a hearse, she does just like Mickey Windecker,

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<v Speaker 1>take orders from the FBI. I'm Trevor Aaronson from Western

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<v Speaker 1>Sound and I Heeart podcasts. This is Alphabet Boys Episode eight,

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<v Speaker 1>the Springs. So we're gonna leave Denver and take a

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<v Speaker 1>break from the story of Mickey Windecker for just one episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It might seem like a tangent, but trust me, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>The story of what happened seventy miles south in Colorado

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<v Speaker 1>Springs ends up having big consequences for Mickey. The actual

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Springs investigation was only loosely connected to what Mickey

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<v Speaker 1>was doing, but it reveals that what the FBI was

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<v Speaker 1>up to in Denver wasn't isolated. It was part of

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<v Speaker 1>a larger strategy, an FBI investigative technique that likely played

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<v Speaker 1>out in cities across the United States in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty. The lead up to the racial justice

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrations in Colorado Springs were similar to what happened in Denver,

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<v Speaker 1>where a young black man, Elijah McClain, was killed during

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<v Speaker 1>an encounter with the police. There were protests, but things

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<v Speaker 1>cooled down a bit, and then George Floyd was murdered

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<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota. The same pattern initial outrage over a killing,

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<v Speaker 1>which then cooled and flared again with national protests happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the Springs. In August twenty nineteen, a man called

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one reporting that he'd been robbed at gunpoint

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<v Speaker 1>by two young black men. Call it a spring to

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one location of emergency. So ill was walking

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<v Speaker 1>on the street and some men just confronting me with

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<v Speaker 1>the gun, and they pawed me and tried to taking

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<v Speaker 1>all belongings. The nine one one caller then gave a

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<v Speaker 1>description of the perpetrators, and local police officers stopped two

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<v Speaker 1>young black men near where they left robbery occurred. The

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<v Speaker 1>encounter was recorded by one of the officer's body cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got to report to two people similar descriptions,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly having a gun, all right, So don't reach for

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<v Speaker 1>your waist. We're gonna just second make sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a weapon, all right. Just as another police

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<v Speaker 1>officer was coming behind the two men, one of them ran.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops chased after him. Hands up, heads up, hands up,

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<v Speaker 1>here's your heads up. Here's your heads up. The officer

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<v Speaker 1>fired his gun multiple times and the young man was

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<v Speaker 1>shot in the back. In the bodycam video, blood can

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<v Speaker 1>be seen soaking through the left side the injured man's shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also blood spilling on the street, a lot of blood.

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<v Speaker 1>The man died later at the hospital. His name was

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<v Speaker 1>Devon Bailey and he was just nineteen years old. Protesters

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<v Speaker 1>went into the streets after the Colorado Springs Police Department

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<v Speaker 1>released the bodycam footage. The shooting of Devon Bailey made

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<v Speaker 1>national news. Newly released bodycam video from Colorado Springs and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen year old shot and killed by police. At one point,

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<v Speaker 1>the video shows his hands in the air running away

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<v Speaker 1>he's been shot. But a few months later, in November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, a grand jury declined to bring criminal charges

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<v Speaker 1>against the officers involved in Devon's killing. The El Paso

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<v Speaker 1>County District Attorney called the shooting horrible tragedy, but said

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<v Speaker 1>that the grand jury's decision is just. Then, George Floyd

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<v Speaker 1>is killed by a cop in Minneapolis. In Denver, Colorados,

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<v Speaker 1>Rings and cities across the country erupt in anger and activism.

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<v Speaker 1>According to FBI internal reports, Mickey Windecker had provided information

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<v Speaker 1>to federal agents about a racial justice activist in Colorado Springs.

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<v Speaker 1>That information appears to have been used to launch a

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<v Speaker 1>separate investigation there. And this is when a woman with

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<v Speaker 1>long pink hair named Chelsea enters the Colorado Springs activist scene.

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<v Speaker 1>She signs up to join the Democratic Socialists of America,

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<v Speaker 1>the same political group Mickey allied with in Denver. Chelsea

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<v Speaker 1>also contacts John Christiansen, one of the Chinooks Center's founders

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<v Speaker 1>and volunteers, to help around the office. We exchanged messages.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, Oh, I want to I could do some

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<v Speaker 1>administrative work for you guys, you know, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, because that's like the most overwhelming thing. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like uploading email addresses and things like this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a pain in the neck with John and other

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<v Speaker 1>activist at the Chinook Center. Don't realize at the time

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<v Speaker 1>is Chelsea isn't really Chelsea. Her real name is April

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<v Speaker 1>Rogers and she's a young detective with the Colorado Springs

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department. More after the break, Mickey in Denver and

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea or April Rodgers in Colorado Springs have the same

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<v Speaker 1>mandate from the FBI infiltrate racial justice activists and try

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<v Speaker 1>to set them up in crimes. While Mickey is working

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<v Speaker 1>directly with the FBI and getting cash payments in return,

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea is part of something called the Joint Terrorism Task Force,

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<v Speaker 1>a partnership between local police and the FBI, and in

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Springs, the FBI and its partners in the local

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<v Speaker 1>police come to the conclusion without any discernible evidence, that

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<v Speaker 1>the city's activist community is potentially dangerous and should be

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<v Speaker 1>the target of a long intrusive investigation. Colorado Springs sought

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<v Speaker 1>share of demonstrations during the summer of twenty twenty, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't among the cities whose racial justice protests you'd

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<v Speaker 1>hear about on the national news like Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland,

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<v Speaker 1>and Denver. The Springs is small, and it's very conservative,

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<v Speaker 1>home to air force and army bases and a number

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<v Speaker 1>of evangelical megachurches. It's also a popular place for retired

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<v Speaker 1>military officers. As a result, the city's voter base is

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<v Speaker 1>consistently conservative, and the left wing activist community, well ambitious,

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty small by comparison, But that left wing activist

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<v Speaker 1>community hit just the right buttons in Colorado Springs. On

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<v Speaker 1>August third, twenty twenty, the one year anniversary of Devon

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey's death, dozens of activists gathered with signs in bullhorns

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the House of Alan van Land, the

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Springs police officer who shot von Bailey in the back. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>committed to homicide of barely accost other people of color

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<v Speaker 1>in this city. The demonstrators blocked the road through the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood and soon things got tense, with threats escalating to

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<v Speaker 1>a potential gun battle. One of the demonstrators, named Charles Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>got into an altercation with a man who was opposing

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<v Speaker 1>the protest. That woman jumps up, Okay, just like how

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<v Speaker 1>you do, Guss right. Videos from the protest outside the

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Springs police officers home made the rounds on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>with right wing commentators using the incident to allege that

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<v Speaker 1>antifa activists were becoming more dangerous. Michelle Malcolin, a far

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<v Speaker 1>right commentator and conspiracy theorist, tweeted, it's not just Seattle,

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<v Speaker 1>in Portland, in Austin, in twin City, it's freaking Colorado Springs.

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<v Speaker 1>She later added, nowhere is safe. Nearly a year passes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the same people who had organized the protest outside

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<v Speaker 1>the cops house all the actives from the Chinook Center.

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<v Speaker 1>They start putting together a march for housing rights. They

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<v Speaker 1>plant for July thirty first, twenty twenty one, the same

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<v Speaker 1>day the city has planned an expensive one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth anniversary celebration. That isn't a coincidence, it's intentional, a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a dick move. Yeah, but the demonstrators aren't

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be polite. So the actors from the Chinook

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<v Speaker 1>Center March. They're wearing red shirts that read housing is

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<v Speaker 1>a Human Right and caring signs that read rent is

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<v Speaker 1>theft and in Spanish, housing for All. Among the marchers

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<v Speaker 1>is the committed young activists with pink hair and provocative clothing,

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<v Speaker 1>whom everyone knows as Chelsea. Here's Samantha Christiansen, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the founders of the Chinook Center again, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the housing march. I mean, I really hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>seen her in a long She wasn't someone I really

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<v Speaker 1>thought of that often, right, So I saw her and

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<v Speaker 1>she's very recognizable in her appearance. With Samantha and the

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<v Speaker 1>other marchers don't realize is that the Colorado Springs Police Department,

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<v Speaker 1>working with the FBI, is planning to arrest a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of them today. Oh boys, we sit, we wait, we

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<v Speaker 1>get paid. Nearby, sitting in a police cruiser is local

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<v Speaker 1>cop Scott Alamo. Alamo has his body camera on and

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking to other officers as the marchers are coming

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<v Speaker 1>up the street. Well, they think we're going to arrest

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<v Speaker 1>twenty people, Dude, Obviously you're underestimating how awesome we are.

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<v Speaker 1>As the demonstrators are passing by Scott Alamo, the local

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<v Speaker 1>cop sees John Christiansen, Samantha's husband and another one of

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<v Speaker 1>the march's organizers. Alamo calls him professor because John teaches

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<v Speaker 1>sociology at a local college. Christians Who is the worker. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Alamo pulls out what appears to be an intelligence report,

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<v Speaker 1>and on every page are pictures of Christiansen and a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen or so other marchers. It's like a rogues gallery,

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<v Speaker 1>but these aren't mugshots. They're photos from social media, from Facebook, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>and LinkedIn. This document is likely the product of a

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<v Speaker 1>new FBI program called Social Media Exploitation, developed during the

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<v Speaker 1>summer of twenty twenty. Under this program, the FBI partners

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<v Speaker 1>with local law enforcement agencies to mind social media data

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<v Speaker 1>to build files on people without probable cause for the search.

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<v Speaker 1>As Scott Alamo is flipping through the pages of photos,

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<v Speaker 1>he jokes about how violent the arrests are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get to see boot to the face. Boot to the face, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that pretty much does happen. About six cops surround a

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<v Speaker 1>black man with a shaved head and tackle him to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. His name is Sean Walls, and he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the primary organizers of Colorado Spring's activist community. A

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes later, the cops target another black man among

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<v Speaker 1>the demonstrators. He's Charles Johnson, one of the men who

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<v Speaker 1>got into the altercation earlier outside the Colorado Springs cops House.

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<v Speaker 1>Four cops forced Charles to the ground, violently pulling his

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<v Speaker 1>arms behind his back. Get your hand out depending As

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<v Speaker 1>more cops are running in toward the people being arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>The officers charged towards a demonstrator on her bicycle and

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<v Speaker 1>I see what I thought was a bunch of cops

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<v Speaker 1>dogpiled on the entire crowd, and I was like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're coming for everybody. Then, like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Like just just shell shocked, right. Jacqueline Amandada's Unsweta is

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<v Speaker 1>a former newspaper journalist who at this time it's working

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<v Speaker 1>as a Colorado based staffer for Democratic US Senator Michael Bennett.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I immediately turned around after that and see

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<v Speaker 1>a riot cop like in full gear, sprinting towards us

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<v Speaker 1>in like flight or fight response. And in my case, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>flight is not my default. And in doing that, I

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<v Speaker 1>just threw my bike down. It was like, bitch, you

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<v Speaker 1>coming for me, Like that's the honest truth. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know you've seen the video. Jacqueline can be seen on

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<v Speaker 1>a police body camera as the officer rushes toward the

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<v Speaker 1>people being arrested. Thinking the cop is charging at her,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline throws her bike down. The police officer sidesteps the bike,

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<v Speaker 1>it never touches him, and runs toward the pile of

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<v Speaker 1>officers arresting the activists. And I was like, oh my god, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>they just reacted, Like imagine if it had hit a cop,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have had me on a felony. About a

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<v Speaker 1>half dozen activists are arrested that day, in charge with

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<v Speaker 1>crimes were related to their roles in the demonstration outside

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<v Speaker 1>the Colorado Springs Cops house. Jacqueline isn't among those arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>but the cops aren't going to let the bicycle throwing

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<v Speaker 1>incident go unpunished. Daniel Sumei, a Colorado Springs detective who

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the Joint Terrorism Task Force, decides he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to figure out the identity of the woman who

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<v Speaker 1>threw down the bike. Sumi is just a local cop,

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<v Speaker 1>but he makes a big deal of his assignment. His

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<v Speaker 1>business card suggests he's a federal agent FBI logo and all. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>because Jacqueline was wearing sunglasses and a face mask, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't clear from the police bodycam video who she was,

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<v Speaker 1>so Sumei goes on social media and searches the friends

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<v Speaker 1>lists of people who were at the demonstration. He finds

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline's profiles and pictures of Jacqueline wearing the same bicycle,

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<v Speaker 1>helmet and shoes that can be seen on the woman

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<v Speaker 1>in the bodycam video. Sumi has a suspect, and so

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<v Speaker 1>to find the bike and other evidence they need to

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<v Speaker 1>prosecute her. Sumi in the Colorado Springs police get a

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<v Speaker 1>warrant to search Jacqueline's home. So they were like at

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<v Speaker 1>least six officers in multiple vehicles, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you fucking kidding me? Like I am not el chapel,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is ridiculous. In my journalism career. I've read

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of search warrant applications and evidence reports. Detective

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<v Speaker 1>Sumi's are among the most bizarre I've ever read, and

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<v Speaker 1>definitely the creepiest. First the bizarre part, Sumi, in a

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<v Speaker 1>search warrant application notes that the demonstrators carried red flags.

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<v Speaker 1>He then writes, and I'm not joking here, that he

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<v Speaker 1>went on the internet, found some random website about red

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<v Speaker 1>flags and writes, quote, the red flag is significant in

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<v Speaker 1>that it is a radical political symbol and designates the

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<v Speaker 1>march as revolutionary and radical in nature. Sumi in black

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<v Speaker 1>and white letters on a page. It's describing how the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI is investigating ideology, something FBI Director Christopher Ray has

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<v Speaker 1>told Congress doesn't happen. He's also employing a depth of

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<v Speaker 1>research that probably wouldn't earn a passing grade in a

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<v Speaker 1>high school class. Okay, And now the creepy part. Sumi,

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, includes in a search warrant application a

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<v Speaker 1>full page photo of Jackline in a bikini. Sometimes you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a laugh right to keep from crying. And we

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<v Speaker 1>had to laugh. It just had like how fucking creepy

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<v Speaker 1>that was. And it's like this will be fun when

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<v Speaker 1>we get to disclose to Colorado Springs taxpayers that their

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<v Speaker 1>money is going to police greenshotting my bikini picks. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Following the search and after a police took Jaqueline Spike

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<v Speaker 1>and her electronic devices into evidence, local prosecutors charged her

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<v Speaker 1>with attempted aggravated assault on a police officer, a second

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<v Speaker 1>degree felony. But local police working with the FBI aren't

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<v Speaker 1>done in Colorado Springs. They still have an undercover embedded

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<v Speaker 1>inside the activist group that's up to the break in

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<v Speaker 1>the Springs, the pink haired woman everyone knows as Chelsea

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<v Speaker 1>starts digging in. She started friending of a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>different people on Facebook who were at the housing march.

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<v Speaker 1>This is John Christiansen. He was among those arrested at

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<v Speaker 1>the housing march. Like in retrospect, that should have been

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<v Speaker 1>a red flag, but you know, it's just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. People kind of come and go. Chelsea starts

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<v Speaker 1>inviting activists over to her apartment. Always men, remember, Chelsea

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<v Speaker 1>dresses provocatively, and most of the activists are under the

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<v Speaker 1>impression that she's a sex worker. I walk up these

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<v Speaker 1>sketchy steps, open up this apartment and there's two guys

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there with her. This is one of the activists

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea invites over. He agreed to be interviewed and recorded

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<v Speaker 1>as long as they referred to him by his nickname

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<v Speaker 1>art Yam. Anyway, I need to tell you for contact

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<v Speaker 1>that art Yam loves guns. Now, I'm a gun nun

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to like history and mechanical stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>this is like my passion since I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>And he started a local chapter of the Socialist Full

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<v Speaker 1>Association kind of like a left wing version of the

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<v Speaker 1>NRA minus the money in corruption. Nothing as the ASTRA

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<v Speaker 1>he does is anything besides legal, and that's not me

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<v Speaker 1>just doing a disclaimer. Like I think our next last

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<v Speaker 1>event was we went camping, like you know, it's nothing crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So when art Young gets to Chelsea's apartment, it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>There are these two guys with Chelsea, and Chelsea's there

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, hey, how you doing. These are my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is my half brother. She pointed to

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<v Speaker 1>this guy who's like forty five. She looked at me

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<v Speaker 1>like twenties to twenty five. Right points this guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>forty five, says, this is my half brother, and I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. But I'm like sure, and she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>going to go in the kitchen. We have beer and pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, cool. I go in there. There's like twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fucking pizzas there, like an absurd amount of pizzas. I

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<v Speaker 1>may be over exaggerating, but enough that I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>who the fuck you feeding? Like, I know, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a chunky guy. There's a lot of pizza there,

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<v Speaker 1>and like thirty rack of like cores in the fridge

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<v Speaker 1>and some Mike's hard Everything about the situation made no

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<v Speaker 1>fucking sense to me. Chelsea, with her friend and supposed

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<v Speaker 1>half brother sitting nearby, tells art Yum that she needs

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<v Speaker 1>his help to get a gun. She's like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get this, and I'm like, cool, Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>I can go and source it for one of my

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<v Speaker 1>friends and yeah, we can just go down to a

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<v Speaker 1>gun shop and you can fill out a background check

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<v Speaker 1>and good bye it. She was like, Oh, okay, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what a conversation ended. With the pistol. It's clear to

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<v Speaker 1>Artyam that Chelsea is suggesting that he finds an illegal

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<v Speaker 1>gun for her, something off the books from the black market.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, yeah, I'll source you a gun, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I guarantee you I find I could find somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>has one for sale, but we're not going to selt

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<v Speaker 1>you illegally. Like no. Artyam leaves a little later, thinking

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<v Speaker 1>the evening was bizarre and half wondering whether Chelsea's friends

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<v Speaker 1>are undercover cops, and still wondering who's going to eat

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<v Speaker 1>all those pizzas. Then, not long after, Chelsea invites another

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<v Speaker 1>activist over. Just as before, Chelsea has two people with her.

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<v Speaker 1>I met up with her and Omar. This is Gabriel Pulsic.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys with Chelsea, Mike and Omar. They tell Gabriel

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<v Speaker 1>that they're truckers. Mike was missing his left leg from

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<v Speaker 1>the knee down. Omar was kind of a Middle Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>looking guy with a big beard. Both had tattoos. Both

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<v Speaker 1>are very buff. Unlike art Yam, who quickly shuts down

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<v Speaker 1>any discussion of a legal activity, Gabriel is intrigued by

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<v Speaker 1>these guys. They ask Gabriel if he wants to buy

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<v Speaker 1>any weapons. He said that he had grenades, t and

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<v Speaker 1>t ak forty sevens like fully automatic weapons. Gabriel says

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be interested in seeing the weapons, so they agree

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<v Speaker 1>to meet up again, and Gabriel talks specifics types of guns,

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<v Speaker 1>dates deliver, how they'd be transported, but he never commits

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<v Speaker 1>to any purchase. He's kind of using them, leading them

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<v Speaker 1>on Mike and Omar, who is very generous, buying me cigars, drinks, food,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I wanted, and so there were a few times

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<v Speaker 1>where they were obviously like pumping drinks in me or

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<v Speaker 1>trying to, you know, be like, yeah, do you want

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>another double shot? About sixteen years Scotch. At one meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike and Omar show Gabriel a fully automatic AK forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw any like grenades, routine to or any

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<v Speaker 1>of that other shit they're talking about. Gabriel eventually tells

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<v Speaker 1>Mike that he's not interested in buying anything, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he ghosts them. Mike then tries to keep the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>going and it was like hey, bro, hope you're okay,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. And I didn't respond in that text

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<v Speaker 1>because I at this point I was like highly suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's about when the activists in Colorado Springs discover

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that Chelsea isn't Chelsea. Her cover is blown by a

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 1>fellow cop in the Colorado Springs Police Department. I just

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<v Speaker 1>threw my bike down. It was like, bitch, you coming

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<v Speaker 1>for me. As a result of her criminal charge for

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly attempting to assault a cop with her bicycle, goal,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacqueline Amandata Unsweta request to review the evidence in her case,

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<v Speaker 1>including police recordings from the day of the housing march,

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<v Speaker 1>and via Jacqueline, the activists get to see the footage.

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<v Speaker 1>Among the evidence is the bodycam video of officer Scott Alamo.

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<v Speaker 1>We sit, wait, we get paid. He's the one who

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<v Speaker 1>is slipping through the pages of social media photos, the

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<v Speaker 1>photos of the people the cops were planning to arrest

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<v Speaker 1>around this time. In the recording, Alamo let something slip.

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<v Speaker 1>He starts talking about the police officers who are secretly

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<v Speaker 1>among the protesters. He says there are two undercovers and

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<v Speaker 1>four plane closed officers. He's looking down on his phone

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<v Speaker 1>at photos of the undercover cops. Alamo thinks one of

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures highlights his undercover colleagues physical attributes picture April

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<v Speaker 1>with her giant boobs. Alamo's referring to April Rodgers, the

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<v Speaker 1>woman the activists knew as Chelsea and unlike the activists

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<v Speaker 1>who think the undercover cop is a sex worker and

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<v Speaker 1>are careful enough to use objectifying language to describe her,

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<v Speaker 1>Alamo goes straight to locker room talk with his giant

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.879
<v Speaker 1>boobs comment. And so we started immediately looking for April

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers and started looking through photos of people like we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know, this is John christ Jansen again from the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinook Center, you know, And it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a process of the elimination, trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out like, okay, this this person April Rodgers, and then

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<v Speaker 1>eventually we were able to like triangulate that April Rodgers

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<v Speaker 1>was Chelsea. Once the information got around that Chelsea isn't

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Chelsea and that Chelsea is really a cop, the undercover

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<v Speaker 1>April Rodgers disappears and for a time nothing more happens. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>in the spring of twenty twenty two, I start communicating

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<v Speaker 1>with some of the activists in Colorado Springs, and it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, seemingly by coincidence, the FBI takes a renewed

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>interest in the Colorado Springs activist community. The FBI starts

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<v Speaker 1>knocking on doors, calling up people who had gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>no Chelsea the sex worker or if Al Rodgers, the

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<v Speaker 1>undercover cop, Hey, good morning. This message is for Autumn

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<v Speaker 1>Carter Wallace. This message was left for Autumn Carter Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the activists. This is Special Agent Henderson from

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI office in Colorado Springs. We came down to

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<v Speaker 1>chat with you if you're available. I think that it

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<v Speaker 1>would be great to sit down with you and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some things that we are concerned about as it

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<v Speaker 1>relates to something's happening in the community. The FBI appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be interested in Gabriel Pulsic. This is Autumn who

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<v Speaker 1>called back the FBI after receiving that voicemail. They asked

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<v Speaker 1>about Gabe and if I knew anything about I don't

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>even know who gave is. They were like, well, we

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 1>have pictures and videos of you near him at a protest.

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 1>A protest was like a thousand people. I'm standing near

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<v Speaker 1>one guy. You think I know him, well, you guys

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>are both connected through That doesn't mean I know him.

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a lot of the people. Federal agents

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>also come to see Art Yam, the activist April Rodgers

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>approached about buying a legal gun. He agrees to meet

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>with them at the local FBI office on the condition

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that he's allowed to record their conversation, so soul kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a interest statements that way, they know if you're

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<v Speaker 1>aware that there's a recorder on the desk. Ye, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Brandy Kempbell Withdrew Rosen and the detective Love at the

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>FBI Colorado Springs our office Thursday at eleven o five.

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<v Speaker 1>In this meeting, the FBI agents confirm art yam suspicions

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>that those two guys with April were in fact FBI agents.

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<v Speaker 1>You felt there was a gun running conspiracy we're trying

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:05.479
<v Speaker 1>to throw at you, which those war in fact undercovers. However,

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<v Speaker 1>they basically weren't do a meeting with Gabe to sell

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>them hand grenades. Figured that was time why I got

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>my name got mixed into the moss. The FBI agents

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>tell Artyum that they're investigating Gabriel since he had several

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>discussions with the undercover agents about weapons, but as of

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<v Speaker 1>this recording, Gabriel has not been arrested or charged with

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<v Speaker 1>a crime. He denies any wrongdoing or illegal behavior. Hey, Trevor,

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<v Speaker 1>can you hear me? Coming back from a recent trip

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>to England. Gabriel is stopped at the Denver Airport, he

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<v Speaker 1>calls me. Following the encounter. When I was leaving, I

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 1>met the two FBI agents who have been investigating me

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<v Speaker 1>for a year. Okay, they basically recounts me, you know

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>why they were looking into me, you know, because I

0:28:55.640 --> 0:29:00.040
<v Speaker 1>was you know, I inquired about acquiring those weapons, and

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>they said that, you know, they have obviously recordings of

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<v Speaker 1>all the conversations I had with the UCS, which obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they made it clear that I wasn't under

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<v Speaker 1>us or that I wasn't being detained. The FBI agents

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<v Speaker 1>also tell Gabriel in this conversation that they aren't just

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<v Speaker 1>investigating him, They're investigating the entire Chinook Center, in anyone

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<v Speaker 1>involved with the political organization. An investigation solely focused on

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<v Speaker 1>political activity should be confined to FBI history books. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's happening right now. It's June twenty twenty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back in Colorado Springs at the local state courthouse

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<v Speaker 1>to attend a hearing in the criminal case of Charles Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>the black activist who is dogpiled by cops and arrested

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<v Speaker 1>at the housing March. He's been charged with attempt at

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<v Speaker 1>robbery menacing and obstructing a roadway, all for his role

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<v Speaker 1>during the demonstration in front of the police officer's house

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<v Speaker 1>on August third, twenty money in Colorado Springs. Charles Johnson's

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer is named Alison Blackwell. She believes the charges against

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<v Speaker 1>her client are politically motivated, so during a hearing, she

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<v Speaker 1>calls April Rodgers as a witness over the objections of

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors who do not want the undercover cop to testify.

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<v Speaker 1>For the hearing, a lawyer representing the US Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Justice is sitting at the prosecution's table. When you were

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<v Speaker 1>marching in the housing march, were you doing that for

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<v Speaker 1>the Colorado Springs Police Department? I was under the authority

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<v Speaker 1>of the FBI. Okay, how many other FBI agents were

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<v Speaker 1>in that march? Are respectfully declined to answer. Does the

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Springs Police Department so that you're working for that PI? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to talk about going back to the

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<v Speaker 1>SECT Center. Did you feel guilty about that? I respectfully

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<v Speaker 1>declined to the answer. April is wearing a black dress

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<v Speaker 1>with a black face mask to protect her undercover identity.

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<v Speaker 1>She has long, dark brown hair, but it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>a wig. A good one, but a wig all the same.

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<v Speaker 1>On request will on the witness stand, April pulls down

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<v Speaker 1>her face mask, but only to her chin. Attorney Alison

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<v Speaker 1>Blackwell asks April question after question, and nearly every time

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<v Speaker 1>April answers, I respectfully decline to answer. She keeps looking

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<v Speaker 1>over at the lawyer from the Justice Department. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>truly bizarre scene, one of the strangest I've ever witnessed

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<v Speaker 1>in a courtroom. This is a state courthouse, and in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, the United States government is not a party.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet a Justice Department lawyer is instructing a local

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<v Speaker 1>cop not to answer questions about a criminal case she

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<v Speaker 1>helped investigate. Did you think that Mike Planet was a

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist threat? At any point I respectfully declined to answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I would you say now I've been told to respond

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<v Speaker 1>or respectfully declined to answer. Someone else who declines to

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<v Speaker 1>answer about any of this is the FBI officials in

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado and Washington d C refused to respond to a

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<v Speaker 1>list of questions about the investigation in Colorado Springs. And

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver, there's our old friend Mickey, and Mickey's about

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<v Speaker 1>to face some trouble. Some activists from the Springs are

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<v Speaker 1>about to post information online alleging that the man behind

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<v Speaker 1>the wheel of the Silver Hearse is a secret informant,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mickey will respond with his own accusations. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>a group or an individual it's claiming that they are

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<v Speaker 1>Antifa Colorado Springs and in fact that that I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that they are actually not Antifa Colorado Springs because I

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<v Speaker 1>believe they are actually a cop. I for one, am

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<v Speaker 1>not amused or pleased about the fuckery that's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's in the next episode. This is Trojan Hearst Season

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