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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Debo and Joe Show. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: James Debo Harrison and here with my co host Joe Hayden.

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Speaker 1: Please make sure you like and subscribe to our channel.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to miss nothing.

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Speaker 3: How you doing today, Joe, Great day, great day, Another

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Speaker 3: day on the power, My good man Debo. Can't wait

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Speaker 3: to get into these topics. Man, it was a lot

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Speaker 3: going on, a lot of things to talk about. Definitely, Definitely.

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Speaker 1: The first thing we're going to talk about, though, is

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Speaker 1: how to you know, U and C went over there

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Speaker 1: and got their face beat in, got forty eight to fourteen. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, I guess that was Bill's a welcome, welcome

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Speaker 1: to college party.

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Speaker 2: I would say it wasn't no joke. He's letting them know.

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Speaker 3: Man, these boys did not come to play TCU was

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Speaker 3: not playing with them, bro.

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Speaker 2: Yeah definitely.

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Speaker 1: So you know, looking at it, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: the defense personally, just looking at it, they just got

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Speaker 1: they just got dominated, I think on both sides of

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Speaker 1: the ball. And you look at the offensive and defensive lines, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they were they were getting moved around the whole game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the whole game.

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Speaker 1: On top of that, you you know, You got guys

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Speaker 1: not you know, catching passes. You got guys missing tackles,

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Speaker 1: dropping punts, everything that. You know when I was there

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Speaker 1: that they harped on fundamentals. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, see what you're supposed to, see where you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be, and do what it is that she's

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Speaker 1: supposed to do. And you know, you had guys that

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Speaker 1: just looked like they were totally out of position, you know,

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Speaker 1: big plays. It was nothing like you normally see of

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Speaker 1: a They looked lost debo.

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Speaker 2: They looked lost.

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Speaker 3: They looked like they were ill prepared and uncoached, and

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Speaker 3: that is not what you see in the Bill Belichick

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Speaker 3: type defense or the team. The one thing they're gonna

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Speaker 3: do is be coached. They're gonna have I discipline, they're

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Speaker 3: going to tackle, They're going to be the right position.

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Speaker 3: It's not they might not be the most athletic people,

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Speaker 3: but the one thing they're going to do is it

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Speaker 3: going to be in the right place and make the

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Speaker 3: right play at the right time. They looked completely lost

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Speaker 3: when they first started off the game.

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Speaker 2: It was all good.

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Speaker 3: The first drive, first Plass crossed big over boom.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's hight.

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Speaker 3: First drive the score and from that it's funny how

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Speaker 3: the table forty something like unanswered, That's exactly what it was.

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Speaker 2: Debo. Yeah, he threw the picture. That's not something you

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Speaker 2: could do. Man.

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Speaker 3: No, the pick six before halftime killed and then coming

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Speaker 3: out of Halse.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that killed him. I think they didn't

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Speaker 1: regroup at halftime normally. You know, when you get in there,

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Speaker 1: especially when when I was there with Bill, he has

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Speaker 1: a plan, you know, in place, and he puts that

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Speaker 1: plan in place, and Okay, this is what we're going

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: This is what we're going to adjust to. And you

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Speaker 2: come out, you adjust to.

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Speaker 1: It, and you know, I think he's very good at

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Speaker 1: adjusting to halftime.

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Speaker 2: But again, and you're in college.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And it's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a difference between you know, college and the pros. You know,

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Speaker 1: how hard do you think it is to go from

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Speaker 1: coaching in the NFL to college?

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's very hard.

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Speaker 3: I think because when you have professionals that understand that

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Speaker 3: it's not no longer, we're not doing this for fun.

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Speaker 3: This is our profession, this is our job. What's on

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Speaker 3: film is our resume. So you're speaking to grown men,

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Speaker 3: and when you tell them one time, they shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: in the league, or you're gonna be out the way.

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Speaker 3: And college is more man like, dude, do you get

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I think it's harder to coach those kids than it

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Speaker 3: These kids are also now looking at Bill like what

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Speaker 3: you're gonna tell me? You know what I'm saying, I'm

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Speaker 3: can go somewhere else next year. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: I got this. So not being able to have the

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, instead of the respect factor

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Speaker 3: To have in college where you coach Mayron when he

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Speaker 3: was telling us what to do, he was the law.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing over Maria. Maria's not gonna let us play

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Speaker 3: if we go somewhere else, you had to sit out

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Speaker 3: a year. You couldn't just go to another school and

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Speaker 3: then go play. No, you had to do what Cam did.

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Speaker 3: He went Juko, then he had to go to Auburn.

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Speaker 3: There's steps, So kids are acting a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's gonna be a whole lot tough

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Speaker 3: for him to coach. But I was saying, like you

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Speaker 2: Pick going into the second half.

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Speaker 3: Now you have the whole halftime to figure it out,

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Speaker 3: get your changes, get your execution. First play debo, the

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Speaker 2: First That's not the adjustment you want. That's not you

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Speaker 2: didn't do any adjustments you can craze. That's something else.

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Speaker 2: The big difference, you know, is you're you're recruiting.

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Speaker 1: Now you actually have to go out here and find

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Speaker 1: the guys that you need to get. That's a whole

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Speaker 1: nother process. You don't have a whole scouting department to

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Speaker 2: Again, you have you have grown men.

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Speaker 1: You know out here they're trying to put food on

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot more motivation to go

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Speaker 1: you know they got money in their pocket now, you know,

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Speaker 1: exactly a thousand, one hundred thousand dollars. That's that's a

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Speaker 1: They've limited the amount of time that these guys could

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Speaker 3: No, I think I think so too. You're exactly right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's live reps. They taking off the live

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Speaker 2: That doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: It's a big difference between running up here and breaking

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Speaker 1: down or I was formed up ready to go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but what happens when he decides that he's not going

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Speaker 1: You know, it may be a little late, but I'm

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Speaker 1: And now you know, he go ahead and he put

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Speaker 1: But you know, like a horse that done got put down.

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Speaker 3: You know for sure for sure, because they do can

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Speaker 3: do when you get there. You're gonna drive through him?

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna go through the target? Are you going

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Speaker 3: to become what I'm saying right a speed bump?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Uh, I don't uh, I don't, dang man, I just

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I would ever go from

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Speaker 2: They could they can.

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Speaker 1: Mess around and actually make you know, generational money, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's that's a hard roll to hold.

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Speaker 3: A thousand, Yeah, said they had that role of us

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Speaker 3: because we couldn't even do anything. That name is the likeness.

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Speaker 3: I mean probably got kicked out of school for again

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Speaker 3: free tattoos like crazy.

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Speaker 2: D That was that long ago.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't that long ago that we couldn't actually do

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Speaker 3: us to be legitimately broke. They're like, oh, you're getting

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Speaker 3: your your paying they're paying for your house and I'm like, so, like,

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Speaker 3: if a dude was in my class that was an

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Speaker 3: gonna say nothing to him. But I can't go do

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Speaker 3: an autograph signing Joe Hayden at the University of Florida

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Speaker 3: make a couple thousand dollars because I ain't got it.

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Speaker 3: They like this, that's against this double NC double A Like, huh.

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Speaker 2: If they don't, that's mine, a dinner, that's me. It

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Speaker 2: could get you a dinner, could get you, get you popped,

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Speaker 2: you know what.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, thing bro anything, So that was crazy, like

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Speaker 3: not being able to do that and just being able

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Speaker 3: to not have no money to now these dudes are.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I love it, but at.

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Speaker 3: The same time, that's what gives them a little bit

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Speaker 3: more like you can't really tell me nothing, but I

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Speaker 3: mean I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that part.

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Speaker 3: I think they could still be able to grind, still

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Speaker 3: be able to get it, because that's the thing what

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Speaker 3: I loved about college when we was there. I think

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Speaker 3: that made us want to get it out the mud because.

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Speaker 2: You still didn't have nothing. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You were still in it with your boys, wanted to

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Speaker 1: go back to the situation all y'all broke man. So

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Speaker 1: we're like, you know, that's something that I see. I

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Speaker 1: see now with with you know, current current players and

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Speaker 1: some of their kids. It's like, yo, you know, even

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Speaker 1: even me, I'm like, I done made it too comfortable

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Speaker 1: for these dudes like my you know, my oldest son

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Speaker 2: They recognize your game. They like this.

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Speaker 2: It was like watching it on TV BRO.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't breathe either, though, like real, I just couldn't

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Speaker 2: That joint was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna pitch it back if we gotta pitch it back.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Like that, I had my running back skills come out.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of holding that mud like a loaf

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Speaker 1: damn money. Uh, it's not even receiver money. It's like

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Speaker 2: I think they don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you look at it, like they're getting

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Speaker 1: of those top five running backs, you're you know, they're

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Speaker 3: Of there, bro one thousand percent. And like you said,

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Speaker 3: you know what it is. It's a business. So if

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Speaker 2: Expected to get hurt, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: ended up being to sign him for the low So

437
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 3: it's messed up. But understanding like Saquon Barkley's are going

438
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,120
Speaker 3: to be the reasons why great.

439
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 2: Running backs to end up just high production.

440
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,479
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to take a shorter term deal with

441
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 3: guaranteed money. These two years fully guaranteed joints. If they're

442
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 3: doing the two years for getting fifteen million dollars a year,

443
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,200
Speaker 3: Saquon just did a two year for forty million dollar extension.

444
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 3: Now the market, the highest paid the back is a

445
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 3: twenty million dollars a year understanding. He got thirty six guaranteed.

446
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: It's going to be more guaranteed the shorter term deal

447
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 3: when you start coming off your rookie contracts and it's

448
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 3: just because the you're going to get this one hundred

449
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 3: percent injury in the NFL and they're giving you the

450
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: ball all the time. So just got to be able

451
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 3: to get on that for a little bit shorter term

452
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 3: deal and just better on yourself. It sucks, but it's

453
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 3: the NFL. That's the way that they're going, and they

454
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 3: not trying to it is a business. So just keep

455
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 3: that in perspective.

456
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 2: And I love the way that.

457
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 3: The Eagles and say Kuan, they did it right. You

458
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, cook in the bills. Just these

459
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,479
Speaker 3: little short term deals with fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, that's solid money. Hopefully,

460
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 3: like when you get sa Quana, put it up to twenty.

461
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 3: We get another running back that continues hopefully balls out

462
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 3: Bejean Robinson. Hopefully he can get up there and this

463
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 3: next that stay healthy, get to twenty two. So I

464
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 3: see it going up, but just knowing it's going to

465
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 3: be more short term deals with guaranteed money because it's

466
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 3: a business.

467
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Speaker 2: You are running back.

468
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Speaker 3: They can figure out they can come get you, get

469
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,919
Speaker 3: you find somebody coming out of college, or get somebody

470
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: for a little bit less.

471
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: That's going to do. Yeah, it's the production like that.

472
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: You know, when Thurm and Thomas played, it was it

473
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: was a totally you know, it was a totally different game.

474
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 2: It was.

475
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was run heavy, it was

476
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 1: a physical game. And and you know them guys, you

477
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,719
Speaker 1: know play play play longer careers because that's what the

478
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: game was. You had a big h you know, had

479
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: the big offensive line. You had a big defensive line,

480
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: and you went out there and you tried to push

481
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 1: the other guy around right and if you had, if

482
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Speaker 1: you had a good running back with you, a nice

483
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: fullback block, and that's just what the game came to

484
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,959
Speaker 1: right now. It is a pass heavy game, dude. You know,

485
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: everything they want to do is for scoring. They did

486
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 1: things that helped by you know, changing the rules to make.

487
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 2: It easier for them to score.

488
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's offensive base rules for for the

489
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: majority of things that's going on. And touch the quarterbacks

490
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: they make wearing yeah, yeah, again, the wear and tear

491
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, on a running back, especially if you're paying

492
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: one running back that much, it's hard.

493
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Speaker 2: You know, you got a lot of people who are

494
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: not a lot of teams.

495
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: You've got a few teams who are now using you know,

496
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: a couple guys you know, and and finding a way

497
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: to get the money situated to where they can they

498
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: can they can keep both. I think Detroit is one

499
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,399
Speaker 1: of those people that got it. Got got a great

500
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, uh, two running backs over there that really

501
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, compliment each other. You got a speed guy,

502
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: you got a power guy, and you know they're having

503
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: some some real success, you know with their run game over.

504
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 3: That's the best combination, the best spread of that combination,

505
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 3: I think in the league for show, yeah, I got

506
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 3: to figure out how what the contract situation is too,

507
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: how much they make in the year, because whowever they

508
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: finagled that, other teams need to look and see how

509
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 3: to finagle that.

510
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: Well, you gotta have you got. Here's the thing.

511
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: I think you got to have guys who are willing

512
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: to be like, I know what my worth is and

513
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: have a realistic number of what their worth is. Although

514
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: you want to get paid as much as you can

515
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: at some point, if you're trying to do this to

516
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: actually make money and for the longevity of it. The

517
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: longer you can play, the more money you can make.

518
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: I think happened two running backs is more beneficial for

519
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: a person that is playing, you know, the running back position.

520
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: No, I think so to you right, wear and tear

521
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: on them, have to carry and just seeing as long

522
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: as that money's.

523
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: Looking good for you.

524
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: You don't have to be the highest person to set

525
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: the market. But if you comfortable, your family's comfortable, you

526
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 3: like your income, stay right there, keep it cruise. You

527
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, So, I don't think you need

528
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: to always shake it up, always try to get out

529
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: of a situation like that. So I think for sure

530
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: we're looking at if I'm going to get the ball

531
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: all the time, they're going to keep punishing me.

532
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: Is it worth it?

533
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: Or am I gonna be able to play a little

534
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 3: bit longer if I got another dude with me. Now

535
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: I'm splitting carries with and we you know what I'm saying,

536
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: both could be here for a while.

537
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, like you said, the workhorses go get paid,

538
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: the money's go go up. But as a whole at

539
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: that position, you know it's not I can get I

540
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: can get a guy in here that you know, he

541
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: hasn't had multiple surgeries on his knee.

542
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: You know he's coming in you know, fresh out of college.

543
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: You know they got the rules set to where these

544
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: dudes aren't getting beat up like they used to. And

545
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: now he's and he's hungry, you know what I'm saying,

546
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: He's ready to get in there and trying to take

547
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: right try and take your spot. So you know it's

548
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: easier to get that rookie contract. You get him in

549
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: there for four years, you start looking at the other

550
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: the next guy, you won't you know, you know, a

551
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: year or two before you got to get rid of him.

552
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking at the situation right now,

553
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: like you said, with the Steelers, they went and got

554
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: a top, you know, a top running back, and then

555
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: they went and got another running back. And who's sitting

556
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: there right now with the contract and who did they

557
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: let go? This is a prime example of it. What

558
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: you know, therm that's talking about exactly yeah, exactly. So,

559
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: speaking of the Stellers Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady said that

560
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the most talented quarterback NFL history. He said,

561
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: Aaron in his prime, to me, is the greatest passer

562
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: of the football that league has ever seen. He could

563
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: get the ball from point A to point B faster

564
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: and more accurate than any player in NFL history. What

565
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: do you think of those comments?

566
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: See, so I'm going to say that I agree.

567
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: And this is just before before I even when I

568
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 3: was growing up. This is two thousand and two, two

569
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: thousand and three. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers and just from

570
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: my eye test, it was Peyton Manning and Tom.

571
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: Brady who is the better quarterback?

572
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 3: And I was like, in history like trying to get

573
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: the Super Bowls and all that. But with my eye test,

574
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 3: I thought Aaron Rodgers through the prettiest spiral, through the

575
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: best pass that I've ever seen in my life, just

576
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: the release of it, just the placement, just the way

577
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: that he threw the ball. And that might not make

578
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: him the greatest quarterback of all time with championships and

579
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, that's like, that's for other.

580
00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: People to debate.

581
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: But from my eye test, when I was watching my

582
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: best favorite quarterback I ever seen throw the ball and

583
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: put it in the spot was Aaron Rodgers. And that

584
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: is without before Tom Brady saying this, This is the

585
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: way I felt. You know what I'm saying back in

586
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: the day, and I would say Tom Brady greater. Peyton

587
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: Manning may be greater, But with my eye test and

588
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: how you put the ball in certain spots and spend

589
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: that joint like that, I've never seen nobody spend it

590
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: like Aaron Rodgers in my opinion.

591
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: Would I would agree.

592
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: I would agree with you and time because the biggest

593
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: thing for me is the speed at which he gets there,

594
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: with the accuracy that he gets there. Believe me, I've

595
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: seen the firsthand and he's throwing this thing. It looks

596
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: like with the flick of a wrist.

597
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: Dude, when he was.

598
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Doing it, and it's it's on the money and it's

599
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: spivealing every Yes, it's like it's like three it's like

600
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: three inches right out of your reach and nobody can

601
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: get it but the receiver. You know what I'm saying.

602
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: And it's time and like lightning. You know what I'm saying.

603
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: It's It was impressive. I've been in situations. That was

604
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: my first quarterback. I played him in my rookie season

605
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: when I came out for the Browns. We played Green

606
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: Bay and Landbowfield. First game in my career, first preseason game.

607
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 3: He went ten for ten on us and threw a touchdown.

608
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: And that's when he had like Donald Driver, he had

609
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: Jordi Nelson ten for ten.

610
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: He went ten for ten and I'm right there in

611
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: the pocket, but I can't touch the ball.

612
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: The receiver can touch the ball right out.

613
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: Yes, he caught the joint and then I tackled him

614
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: catch and tackle.

615
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: But I'm like, oh my, I'm right here, Why are you.

616
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 3: Still throwing it? Oh that's a pick and no it's not.

617
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: God right out of my reach. I'm falling diving for

618
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 3: the ball.

619
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: But people who I think was great, like really great

620
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: at throwing you out of being able to pick the ball.

621
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: It's time, dude.

622
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: You'd be like, oh, I done broke on this, and

623
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: he would throw the ball to where it's going over

624
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: your head to the receiver over his shoulder and you broken, dude, yes,

625
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: looping it.

626
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, so I know you know been the same.

627
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: Jordan Nelson.

628
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm right there and I'm like, he threw the fade

629
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: ball and I'm right there and it went right over

630
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: my hand. I'm like, this, dude is unbelievable. He's trying

631
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: me and I can't touch it. I haven't touched the

632
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: ball yet. You couldn't even knock one down. YOA I

633
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: didn't get no people used none, not one, all completions.

634
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 3: They was catching it and I was tackling them. I

635
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, oh my.

636
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: God, he got it. Tackle bro. It was crazy. How

637
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: many you had that game? Man?

638
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: How many times he threw it on me? I had

639
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: three tackles with three you went tien for ten. I

640
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: told you were three for three on me at three

641
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: good tackles. Boom low tiers, solid tackles though. You made

642
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: no yack zero ya ya at all zero yack.

643
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm

644
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: talking about. Man.

645
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: That was that was crazy squirrels that it was in

646
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: lambeau Field twenty ten.

647
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: It felt like to me, dude, he got cold. Man.

648
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: It was beautiful outside, it was a beautiful day.

649
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: It was in August. He was whipping that thing and

650
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: he was spending that ball so well yep, yep, yeah, yeah,

651
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: that's that's That's one of those things you can't you know,

652
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: it's nothing you do you can do to defend great.

653
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's not about me. It's about Aaron

654
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: had nothing to do with me. Yeah, it's all about

655
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: I was as I was a nameless I was a

656
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: nameless great face.

657
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: He saw through me that day, he saw through all

658
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: of us.

659
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Dude, speaking to do about none of about him or

660
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: nothing about you. Let's roll over here to Miami, man,

661
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: I guess. Miami announced that their captains for twenty twenty

662
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: five season.

663
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: And there was no Tariq on it.

664
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: I guess for the first time since twenty twenty two,

665
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: he was not voted captain. Mike McDonald and Mike McDonald

666
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: had a very revealing quote. He said, we were focused

667
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: on giving the keys to the cat to the captains,

668
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: so the guys that had earned uh hold on the

669
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: guys that had earned it each and every day. That's

670
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: what speaks to me the most is the football team

671
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: that knows who it wants to be led by captain

672
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: c to the guys I got you, all right? So

673
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: with that not being selected, are you surprised? What's your

674
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: reaction to that.

675
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie to you, brother, I'm not surprised

676
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 3: at all. Did you know you remember back the end

677
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: of the season, I'm trying to be out of here,

678
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: and you.

679
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: Know that could definitely at the end of the season.

680
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Not only am I trying to be out of here,

681
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: this man pulled hisself off the game in the third quarter.

682
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: Come on, brother, so we acting like we acting like

683
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: these are other grown men. These are your teammates that

684
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: are voting for the captain. They seen that and like

685
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: they wouldn't People just not gonna vote for that, you

686
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. They don't feel like you all

687
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: in and you said you wasn't all in. I mean,

688
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: you apologize and everything, but that's cool. You're still gonna

689
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: be able to come in there. They're gonna respect you.

690
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: And as long as you go out there and work,

691
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: be wrong.

692
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: Man. I want you to work.

693
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: I want you to play every day, be on time

694
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: for meetings, and when you out there, grind and when

695
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: you on the field, grind and try to.

696
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: Be the best you can be. Be tyreque. That's all

697
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: I need.

698
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: I need nothing, no more, no less, but making you

699
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: a captain. After you said what you said, I'm not

700
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: gonna go in there feeling the type of way. But

701
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: you can action speak loud on words. You can show

702
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: me better than you can tell me. You coming in there, working, grinding,

703
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 3: doing what you gotta do, leading by example is what

704
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: it's gonna be.

705
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: But it's okay you're not a captain.

706
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: I was on the teams where I was felt like

707
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 3: I was a leader a couple of times that I

708
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: wasn't a captain. I was never a captain and I

709
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: was on the Steelers. That's m Heyward TJ. It's going

710
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: to be a certain amount of captains, so when they

711
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: come there, then you know you're still gonna be a

712
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 3: valuable part. Just don't be bringing bad vibes. Come in here,

713
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: do your job, and it's gonna be what it is.

714
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: Maybe next season. If you come in there, show leadership,

715
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: do what you gotta do, then you could be a captain.

716
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: But you know how that is. You told us you

717
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: gotta Yeah, they ain't gonna I'm not voting for you.

718
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he let he let us emotional state.

719
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: Right then get him into a situation that if he

720
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: had just sat back and and had time to cool

721
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: off and think about it, I don't think he would

722
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: have did and said the same things at that point.

723
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean, when you go back to it, you know

724
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro,

725
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, his first time I believe, having a losing

726
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: season in the NFL. I think it was a knee

727
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: jerk reaction, you know, to a situation that you know

728
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: he saw as a permanent situation that may continue, and

729
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, I'm gonna be out of here.

730
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: Do you think do that? Do you think it's cool though,

731
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: that he's not going to be a captain? Do you

732
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: realize you understand?

733
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: You think cool?

734
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: Cool with it? I'm one I'm one hundred cool with it, dude.

735
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: I have no issue with it at all.

736
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: Like you said, the team voted that they according to them,

737
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: the team voted that they are they made it to where. Uh,

738
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: they spoke by who they voted for, and you know

739
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: that that speaks for yourself. It's sometimes where you know,

740
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 1: some teams you vote, but they end up picking who

741
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: they want. Um hm, what you laughing for, Joe?

742
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: Uh? I mean you you that that that could be?

743
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: Could that could be? Could be? Could be. I'm just saying,

744
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard, I've heard of it happened. I've heard,

745
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: I've heard, I've heard her.

746
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I would like to hope that it's like the lottery

747
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: and it's legit, but.

748
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: You never know.

749
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 1: You never know unless you see it for yourself and

750
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: then you saw it and you know.

751
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying.

752
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: It's some teams that actually do pick who it is

753
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: they want to be the leader for their team, and

754
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: sometimes they disguise it under the you know the pretense

755
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: of that's who the guys picked. But it's kind of

756
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: hard when it comes down to, you know, and guys

757
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: are like you pick.

758
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: Who you pick? Who? Who? Who voted for? Who?

759
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I'm saying you're saying.

760
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: You just said.

761
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: I'm I'm catching what you're putting down. You know what

762
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm saying, But I ain't trying to you know, yeah, I'm

763
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: just saying.

764
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, you know that that happens, so okay,

765
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: that's all I was saying.

766
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, But him not being voted, I mean he

767
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: even had you know, he even understood it. You know

768
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

769
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: For sure took accountability, you know, for what he said.

770
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: He's not price that he wasn't voted captain. You know,

771
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: he know he's going to have to go in there

772
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: and earn these guys as you know, trust.

773
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: Back and all that.

774
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: You know, you say that, you're basically saying that you

775
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: don't want to be with us no more because we trash.

776
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Like you can't you can't say that because you're not

777
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: saying like us. You're saying like it's you, Joe, you're trash.

778
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. I need to get

779
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: out of here because I can go and do way

780
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: more without y'all.

781
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

782
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 3: He's telling y'all are trash. I've won on other teams.

783
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: I need to go back I was in Kansas City.

784
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: They were better than y'all. I need to go back. Yes,

785
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: that's what they felt like for sure.

786
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: Now we skip on over to Dallas.

787
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: Man Trayvon Diggs has finally came out and detended Micah,

788
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: saying that he felt everyone in Dallas current locker room

789
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: like Micah and thinks the rumors likely came from former Cowboys.

790
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: He said, I think everyone liked him. I feel like

791
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: they're there are some former players who are not here

792
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: no more who didn't like Michael. There was a lot

793
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: of us. I would say there was a lot of

794
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: I would say hate, jealousy, envy towards him because of

795
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: who he is and the production he does on the field.

796
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: Imagine if you came in here and.

797
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: You're thinking, and you're taking somebody else, so you're taking

798
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: somebody shine or taking somebody's spot, You're not going to

799
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: like that. They're going to feel type of way, especially

800
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: if you're that type of person. Ooh, that sounded like

801
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: shots fire.

802
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: You name any names. But I mean, do you think

803
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: this was referring to de Marcus Lawrence? Oh? I mean

804
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: that sounds that sounds about right.

805
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: They were saying, take somebody's spot there was.

806
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm just asking a question. I ain't. Look,

807
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: that's why I don't know. I don't my name be

808
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: it and I ain't in it.

809
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: But I mean the descriptions of what he's saying, it

810
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: says I think everyone liked him. I feel like there's

811
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 1: some former players who are not here no more who

812
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: didn't like Michael.

813
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: There was a lot of I would say, hate, jealousy, envy,

814
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: those of.

815
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: Personal words towards him because of who he is and

816
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: the production he does on the field. So imagine if

817
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: you came in here and you're taking somebody shine. So

818
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: he took somebody, he was taking somebody shine right and

819
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: taking somebody's spot.

820
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: You're not going to like that right now. You're going

821
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: to feel.

822
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: A type of way, especially if you're that type of person.

823
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: Now he's saying that person is that type of person too,

824
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: So I don't.

825
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm just asking a question, do.

826
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: You like Do you think he was referring to anybody

827
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: in specific, maybe the Marcus Lawrence or I don't know,

828
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: he is thing yes or no. This this this is

829
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: what I could possibly be. That's what I'm saying.

830
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: It sounds like he's talking about somebody to play defensive

831
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 3: end because he said taking his spot.

832
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: If we don't go from.

833
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: There previous defensive end that did there, I would say

834
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: I love Trevon did is coming out because nobody really

835
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: came out in defense of Michael Parsons.

836
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: I know that these dudes kick it, they hang out.

837
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: That's his boy.

838
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: So from Treyvon's perspective, it could be literally what it

839
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: is like, that's my mass.

840
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: We cool.

841
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: Treyvon also has his bag and knows that Michael Parsons

842
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: out there balling deserves his bag. He's been playing with me,

843
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: We've been doing this together. So he's out there, I

844
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: think trying to defend for his mans. I don't know

845
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: of the person that's not on the team anymore, but

846
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: it sounds like another defensive end that was there that

847
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: maybe Debo say.

848
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, obviously, you know.

849
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Like the same situation when we have

850
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: is like you and TJ come in where he's like

851
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: they maybe they didn't tell DeMarcus. Maybe they tried to

852
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: play with him a little bit, you know what I'm saying,

853
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: Like they tried to play with you and TJ a

854
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: little bit. You know what I'm saying like, that's probably

855
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: probably how it was, and the Marcus don't play that,

856
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: so he's probably vocalized how we felt, you know what

857
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And I think that some of that stuff

858
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't have nothing to do with maybe Micah and

859
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: Micah and his relationship as much as he thinks with

860
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: DeMarcus and the Cowboys organization, you know what I'm saying,

861
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: he might have talked to them, maybe not rocking, Oh

862
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: you drafted this, dude, or what are y'all thinks going on?

863
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to go from Devil's advocate, because there's

864
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: always two sides of the store. I don't know what

865
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: happened with Micah, I don't know what happened with DeMarcus,

866
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: with Trayvon what he's saying.

867
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to put pieces of the puzzle. But

868
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: I just sounded like, yeah, the posle kind of it

869
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of fitting. You know, the pieces is fitting, you

870
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: know when you line it up. So I think it's

871
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: a possibility. Will I give a definite yes or no?

872
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 3: No, I can't do that. No, that's not we can't

873
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: do that. That would be that would not be.

874
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: That would be disingenuous, A thousand to the argument, come

875
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: on debo right exactly. So now speaking to Michael Parsons,

876
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell said, Dan Campbell, we know what kind of

877
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: player Michael Parsons is.

878
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: We'll have a plan.

879
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: It's Michael Parsons put the Packers over the Lions in

880
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: the NFC North of.

881
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: Do you think I mean, I mean, it helps him

882
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: out a lot. I mean, I don't see, I don't

883
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: see why not. I mean, the Packers are not a

884
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: bad team. Jordan Love has been playing really good. They

885
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: beat they've been they did, they did good last season,

886
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: and with just adding another defensive player, that's gonna help

887
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: out their secondary, that's gonna help out their pass rush.

888
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: And I don't think they have nowhere to go but up.

889
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: Since Jordan Love, with another year under his belt, he's

890
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: done nothing but prove to me that he can actually

891
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: be a franchise quarterback. So if he can be a

892
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 3: franchise quarterback, and Michael Parsons can help that defense out

893
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: because they don't look bad. They look like they're on

894
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 3: the up and up. They're drafting well, they're moving in

895
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: the right direction. So Packers are up for me, And

896
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: like I said before I've seen them. They made a

897
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: Reggie White trade with a quarterback, they made a Charles

898
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: Woodson trade with the quarterback, and now they got Jordan

899
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: Love and then they made this Michael Parsons trade. I'm

900
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: liking them dudes knowing when they need to get a

901
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: crazy piece on defense because they can have a franchise quarterback.

902
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: So I think the Packers is looking like they know

903
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: what they're doing. Yeah, I'm going to.

904
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: I want to go with I think it puts the

905
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: Packers as the guys in the NFC North right now.

906
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: You added in a pass rush. Sure, the games that

907
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: you know they've played over the last year or two

908
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: have been close games when you take into account you

909
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: know that the Lions I believe lost their O and

910
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: DE coordinator to head coaching positions. You gotta change right there.

911
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: You got Hutchison coming back off of you know, messing

912
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: up his leg. You got to build that confidence back

913
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: at going out there. Especially you know how he you know,

914
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: ended up messing his leg up. He swung around, So

915
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 1: you got to get used to it. How long that's

916
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna take. I hit and swing around. It's you know

917
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: he's back full on. But to get out there and

918
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: live action, when those bodies are flying around, it's a

919
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: little different. But I think you know, having Micah there

920
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: and you add him in there with the current defensive

921
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: line that they have, I think it puts him over

922
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: the top. These three point games, you know that that

923
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: that's going to go ahead and actually, uh where it's

924
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: a sacophone now yeap that that three point game can

925
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: be a switch from you know, a loss to a

926
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: win of three points or or six points or seven

927
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: points whatever that may be. Yeah, the game changer, yes,

928
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: definite game changer, like there's no question about it.

929
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

930
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: So now let's get back to our Steelers then, Okay,

931
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: what you want, what you want, what you want to hear?

932
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 3: Tell me what you want to talk about your man,

933
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: Adam Scheffler. Chef Schefter is talking about Cam Hayward maybe

934
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: sitting out for the season opener, Damn.

935
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: Sitting off for the season or what's going on over there?

936
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: Give me, I don't know.

937
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: I know he got two years left on this contract,

938
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: don't He just signed a two year extension. He got

939
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 3: two more left. I think he signed it. He signed

940
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: a two year extension last off season, which gave him

941
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 3: this year and next year for contracts. So he got

942
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: this year. Oh, hea't deal for next year. So last

943
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: offseason signed the two year extension because he only had

944
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: one year left on his deal. So then he played

945
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: that and now he has this one and next year

946
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 3: for the extension he signed last year.

947
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he did say out a portion of training

948
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: camp and didn't rule out sitting in the start of

949
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: the regular season until he gets what he wants. Hayward

950
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: was practicing with the team on Monday, which suggests he's

951
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: going to play, but Adam Scheffner says there's still a

952
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: possibility Cam Hayward doesn't suit up.

953
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: They're not they haven't.

954
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: They have not been able to figure it out, and

955
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: so I would think it's going to be really interesting

956
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: to see if Cam Hayward is on the practice field

957
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: on Wednesday as the Stellers get ready for their see

958
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: as the Stellers get ready to open their season on

959
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Sunday against the Jets. It's about to get interesting there,

960
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: and again maybe Cam Hayward says, I'm not going to

961
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: play on this deal. It didn't sound that way earlier

962
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: in the summer, But we'll find out.

963
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: What the deal looked like. Joe. The deal was the deal.

964
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: The deal was two years, twenty nine million.

965
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: So first year this season, he'll this year he'll be

966
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: making fourteen point seven and next year he'd been making

967
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: like fourteen point two. So I think he's looking I mean, I.

968
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: Love the stealers because I mean, this is going to

969
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: be Cam's going to New year, what thirteen year, thirteen fourteen,

970
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: So I mean his production and everything, I understand what

971
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: he's saying has not slipped.

972
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: So there's defensive tackles. I think that I think it's

973
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: up there. Defense.

974
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: We've got defensive ends obviously now forty seven million dollars

975
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: a year with MICHAELH.

976
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Parsons. We got TJ.

977
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: Wade at forty one, we got Miles Garrett at forty.

978
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 3: And he's kind of looking at it with him making

979
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: fourteen point seven Pro Bowls and all that stuff like

980
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: it just like maybe they don't deserve double what I'm getting.

981
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they deserve double what I'm getting, not triple.

982
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: So he's making fourteen point six. Maybe Cam just wants

983
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: a little six million dollar bonus, you know what I'm saying,

984
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 3: to make it around twenty million. But he did sign

985
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: the extension I can see where the stealers are coming from. Where, man, Cam,

986
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: this is gonna be your thirteen year fourteen, we got

987
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: fourteen point seven, we got fourteen point two the next

988
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 3: two years.

989
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're good.

990
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: You're good too, giving me you real bread, so I

991
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 3: can see where they coming from. And then with Cam

992
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: as the player, as production wise, what he has done

993
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 3: is a little up from what his contract is making.

994
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: But you can see how it's a little bit of both.

995
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: This is this is like his fifth contract with the Steelers,

996
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: and it's.

997
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: Not bad deal.

998
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: Like for decaense of tackle on your thirteen fourteen making

999
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: fourteen seven, fourteen to two, that's.

1000
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: Those good numbers. Those are good numbers for like, you

1001
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So it's not a disrespectful thing.

1002
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: But for Cam being the player, knowing this is going

1003
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: to be kind of his way out trying to get

1004
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: his just see, possibly can't because it is a business.

1005
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: He knows if people's playing bad, they might have did

1006
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: some other stuff. Might EASi, you could have they could

1007
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: have just let him slide, you know.

1008
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

1009
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 3: But he knows the reason why he is still there

1010
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: is because of his production. It's not no friendly stuff.

1011
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: It is because you know what I'm saying, I'm performing

1012
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: on the field.

1013
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I don't know what it is

1014
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: that makes me think that he's not going to sit.

1015
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: Out unless I tell you what.

1016
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: I see Cam sitting out only if in his head

1017
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: he's saying, I'll retire if you don't give me what

1018
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: I want. That's the only way I see him sitting out,

1019
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Because if you sit out, like you got two years

1020
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: on your deal, what you go do? Sit out till

1021
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: it's over with for a couple of years. And I

1022
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: think the only way he would sit out is if

1023
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: the thought process is if I don't get what I want,

1024
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play for this and I'll just

1025
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: retire because it's not worth it to do it at

1026
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: this number and put my body through whatever it is

1027
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: that I need to do.

1028
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, to get ready and stay ready for the season.

1029
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: That's the only way I see him actually he could

1030
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: plan this year is that he says.

1031
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 3: That sounds like that sounds like a like an Aaron Donald,

1032
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: Like an Aaron Donald knowing end of the day, he

1033
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: can walk.

1034
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: Away unless he gets what Unless he gets the number

1035
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 2: he wants.

1036
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 3: If he doesn't feel like fourteen million dollars a year,

1037
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: touching taxes an eight million to go to this thing

1038
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: where he's like, no, I should be making twenty. I

1039
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: could tuck ten eleven, like twelve million dollars, you know

1040
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. After the season, then it's just really

1041
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 3: he's good. You know what I'm saying that. I mean

1042
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: that sounds crazy to say, but being able to be

1043
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: and Cam and be in the position that he is,

1044
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: like with his body, with his family not wanting to

1045
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: do it, that would.

1046
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: Be I think, like you said, that'd be the way.

1047
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: Being able to sit out and be like this, I'm

1048
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: willing to walk away, But I think Cam's still raised

1049
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 3: the play, still wants to go. And if you do

1050
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: play camp, you still got a number thirty ms, you

1051
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying coming in these next two seasons.

1052
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 2: So I will hunk her down. Yeah I would. Yeah,

1053
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. I did it. I did it

1054
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 2: for way unless babe.

1055
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Well, but you know I wasn't.

1056
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to count anything else. But what you

1057
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: know was good enough for me to go out there

1058
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: and play and be okay with it.

1059
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 3: So a thousand percent and that's it. That's that's on

1060
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: what that's and that's on camp. He knows, he knows

1061
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: this number. He knows what's gonna make him good and

1062
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: what he feels like he deserves. So more power to

1063
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: him because that's my good man. He a ball that

1064
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: he gonna Hopefully everything works out.

1065
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: Hopefully it works out, you know, even if it don't,

1066
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: hopefully it still works out.

1067
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm look, we be talking about my

1068
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: man taking fourteen seven or getting some more money.

1069
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 2: So it's just it's a win win, no question.

1070
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: So Matthew Stafford will start the season opener against the Texans. Well,

1071
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: Stafford finished the season as he deals with an aggevated

1072
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: disc in his back.

1073
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I love Matthew Stafford man.

1074
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: I played against him since he was at Georgia and

1075
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: I was at Florida. He had AJ Green there, so

1076
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: we had some battles ever since two thousand and eight,

1077
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: so that I love his game. He also has a

1078
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: cannon of an arm. Great competitor, plays hurt, you know

1079
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, I really really love his game.

1080
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 3: But you know that thing that that health that thing

1081
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: is always gonna catch up, which you can't nobody run

1082
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: away from that. So I think as long as his

1083
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 3: line tries to keep him up right, but he's a gangster,

1084
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: he's gonna stay in the pocket. He's gonna stare down

1085
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: the barrel. So I mean, it's just I don't know, depending.

1086
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: On what film it looks like, I don't know.

1087
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: I think as long as he doesn't have a catastrophic

1088
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: event where it like just totally herniates, he'll be able

1089
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: to make it. Because I myself went through a whole

1090
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: fourteen weeks all the way up to the Super Bowl

1091
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: where I had Hernie diss in my in my back, and.

1092
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: It was the year.

1093
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: It was the year we ended up losing to Green

1094
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Bay in the Super Bowl. So I'm sitting there, dude,

1095
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: and you know, as the as the beginning of the

1096
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: week goes on, you know, I'm taking the T shot,

1097
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: and the T shot would make it go away. So

1098
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: I would play. You know, my first game, it was cool,

1099
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, second game it was a cool. Third game,

1100
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: I took the T shot and I'm like, yo, I

1101
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: can still feel something. So I believe it was the

1102
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: fourth game came along and it wasn't touching it no more.

1103
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, like, y'all got to check out what's

1104
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: going on. I'm getting these pains down my legs like them.

1105
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting a psiatic pain. I'm getting this

1106
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: stinging pain in my in my achilles, you know all that.

1107
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: And you know, it got to the point to where

1108
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, I was playing and I go to step

1109
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: on that foot to turn the corner. Dude, my whole

1110
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: leg just boom gone. Oh no, it's fall right, So

1111
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: they did the MRI. They do the MRI.

1112
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: I go in and they're like, get the MR report,

1113
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: and Doc like, yo, you need to come in.

1114
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: So I go in and he's testing me out and

1115
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: he's like, James, you know, just looking at your back.

1116
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: You know, I would say that you need to have

1117
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: something done right now. He said, but you you know,

1118
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: you're testing out strong and all that. And I'm like, yeah,

1119
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm strong when i'm strong, but when it ain't, it's gone,

1120
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

1121
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: So basically, it was.

1122
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: An option of get the surgery now you're out six weeks, right,

1123
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: or get the surgery after the season. So I'm like, well,

1124
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: let's just get the surgery now, man. You know what

1125
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Okay, well end up talking to you know,

1126
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: I guess the training staff and everything else and whatever,

1127
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, let's just go until you know

1128
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: you can't you can't go on anymore. Right, So I'm like,

1129
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: all right, cool. I'm like, I'm willing to do it anyway.

1130
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I want I want to play,

1131
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: I want to win. I want to help my team.

1132
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Because I looked at my

1133
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 1: dudes as family.

1134
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's that's one hundred. This

1135
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: was twenty ten, man.

1136
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: But the year the year they uh, the year before

1137
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: they locked us out.

1138
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: So I go and I'm playing and do it.

1139
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: I had two times where you know, I had one

1140
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: time they had to.

1141
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Come get me. I couldn't get out of the bed. Bro.

1142
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: I had two times where I actually got a epidural

1143
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: dude on like a Priday.

1144
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes. So they take, they take and uh they do it.

1145
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: You know, uh floor scope got it and they go

1146
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: to the site where the distance and they inject the

1147
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: cortisone and some numbing stuff sorry quarterzon, yeah, quarterson and

1148
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: some numbing stuff. So when they hit it, it's like boom.

1149
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm like oh, because it's taking that pressure off of

1150
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: the nerve that the disc is pressing on. So it

1151
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: was my it was my S one L five L

1152
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: five L four, it was my lumbard, So it was

1153
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: pressing over those nerves. So I was getting a psiatic

1154
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, a couple of times my

1155
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: leg just drop and give out them. You know what

1156
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I lose, lose power and all that. Yeah, yeah,

1157
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: so I go and you know I played through it.

1158
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: You know, you played the whole season with that being

1159
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 2: able to go? I play. I played. Yeah, I played

1160
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: twelve weeks with it being able.

1161
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: And I also was getting a lot of soft tissue work,

1162
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: so I was doing things like you know, I was

1163
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: getting dry needled, so I was getting my pair of

1164
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: spinals needle, which is the muscles in between your spine,

1165
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, I was able to

1166
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: keep that as loose as possible so it didn't squeeze

1167
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: down on that nerve.

1168
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1169
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 1: What was your practice schedule like practice normal? Bro, practice normal?

1170
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: I practiced normal. I didn't I didn't change nothing about

1171
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: my practice, bro like I love to practice because I'm

1172
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: not a person that could sit there and look at

1173
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: a scheme. I need to be out there doing it.

1174
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: I need to feel what I'm gonna get for sure.

1175
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: So I go through I go through that, that, that

1176
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: whole thing.

1177
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: Man, I get through the season and we get done.

1178
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: We lose the Super Bowl, right.

1179
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, They're like, well,

1180
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, let's go ahead and do the surgery.

1181
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: Now. I'm like, you know, let's hold off.

1182
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: You said it's a possibility that it could retract back

1183
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: whatever d D right. So they're like, ah, well, everybody

1184
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: to lock us out. I don't know if you want

1185
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: to wake that long. And you know it's kind of

1186
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: close to the nerves that control your bow and bladder function.

1187
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: I say what that means, Well, you get piss and

1188
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: poop on yourself.

1189
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: I thought it.

1190
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: Man.

1191
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, so.

1192
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: I could have been back tell weeks ago, like come on,

1193
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: So ended up getting the surgery.

1194
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: And here's the crazy thing. It's like, I know my

1195
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: body so well. Brother.

1196
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm like seven days out of

1197
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: surgery and I'm like, doc, hey something. They right, I'm

1198
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: still feeling a little little something on there like it

1199
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: might be you know, try to say, oh, it might

1200
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: be swelling or whatever.

1201
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: Da da da.

1202
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I ain't swelling. I know my body, man,

1203
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 1: it's not. So they had me go do another MRI.

1204
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: He come back in. He said, yeah, we got to

1205
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: go back in win and get it all. So what

1206
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: they missed, debo, they had to go up another level.

1207
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: He was trying to be conservative and keep as much

1208
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: just in there as he could, but he couldn't, so

1209
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: it went back in. So I had two back surgeries

1210
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: in nine days and didn't do none of my therapy

1211
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: with the team because they locked us out. So I

1212
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: did all my therapy with my trainer in Arizona. You

1213
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and I do it. I think

1214
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: that was the best thing that ever happened. You want

1215
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: to do He took care of you.

1216
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, dude, definitely.

1217
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: I know guys that had it done and I think

1218
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: one of the two guys had it done the same

1219
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: year I did, and neither one of them played more

1220
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: than two more years after that. I played another seven,

1221
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: So you know, I did the right thing to take

1222
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: care of my body, to make sure that I actually

1223
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: helped fix what was causing the issue.

1224
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: It's like a lot of.

1225
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: Guys who go and have these knee issues and they say, oh, well,

1226
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: you know it's just wearing terror. Well, it ain't wearing terr.

1227
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: It's probably a muscle, especially when it's in your knee,

1228
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: it's a muscle that's somewhere in your quad, your hamstring,

1229
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: even in your calf that's not firing the same. So

1230
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: if you fix that firing of the mechanism of the muscle,

1231
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: the knee now works in that same groove correctly and

1232
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: you don't get to wear in tear.

1233
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: But what they do is they treat the symptom.

1234
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: The symptom is that it's now not moving correctly, and

1235
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: the symptom it's now shaving off cartlette.

1236
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: So what do they do.

1237
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: They going there draining your knee or they scope it

1238
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: down instead of actually fixing the problem. Yes, yes, mandis

1239
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: on stuff right right right, So I think it's a

1240
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: possibility as long as he has a good team behind him,

1241
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: that he could he could finish the year.

1242
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: Like I said, bearing any real you know, catastrophic uh

1243
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, thing that would cause it to actually totally

1244
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 2: hernia or God, that's just man.

1245
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: That's that's his left tackle making sure he don't get

1246
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 3: blown by.

1247
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: And he Matthew.

1248
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: So easy to get that back blown out from telling

1249
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: you man that quarterback man.

1250
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 2: The quickest way Matthew Stafford be out of there as

1251
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: a blind side.

1252
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: So Vegas has Lamar Jackson as the top for MVP,

1253
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Odds ranning MVP, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and there I

1254
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: can't see that word hair is beneath Beyond him are

1255
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: plus six hundred and Patrick Mahomes rounding out the top

1256
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: four at plus six point fifty. Ooh, is this the

1257
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: year Lamar Jackson puts it all together, not only whins

1258
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: the MVP, but puts up the Lombardi Trophy?

1259
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: Brother, what do you think?

1260
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: So?

1261
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: You know, obviously we in the North play for the Stellers.

1262
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying no Browns. I know you're gonna hate.

1263
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: I'm hate. I'm from Maryland, you know what I'm saying.

1264
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: So honestly, this is my thing. Patrick Mahomes has so

1265
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: many of the rings. He's controlling the FC North. I

1266
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: love him. I love Patrick Mahomes too. That's a good man,

1267
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: him and trast but what I want is Lamar. I

1268
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: just don't want people to keep disrespecting Lamar's greatness. And

1269
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: I don't think if he doesn't get a Super Bowl ring,

1270
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: then people won't understand how great Lamar Jackson really is

1271
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: and what he's really doing in this league. So I mean,

1272
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: he's one of MVP odds. Every season, regular season, they're

1273
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: gonna ball out. Lamar Jackson has his legs, he's quick,

1274
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 3: he's fast. He's going to do Lamar Jackson things the

1275
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 3: whole season. And they got a solid defense too. You

1276
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: think he's going to get that Lombardy this year. I thought,

1277
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 3: for real it was last year. So this year, I'm

1278
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: going to say now, I thought last year was the

1279
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: year they looked so good.

1280
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: I had, I was, I was honestly quietly brooting. I

1281
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: was rooting for him. I was rooting for Lamar. But

1282
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: then last year, when I was like this, what happened?

1283
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: It just didn't. It just didn't.

1284
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: It seemed like they getting to the playoffs and it's

1285
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: turned and health issues with guys not being there, and

1286
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: then they just unravel. I don't know, and I want

1287
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: to know what it is. I don't know want going

1288
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: on it for him. I don't, yeah, but I lie.

1289
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: I would rather anybody else wanted except for Cleveland, Cincinnati

1290
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: or Baltimore.

1291
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: I was, okay, I know what you're saying, but what

1292
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 2: you said, Bro may not given lie to you.

1293
01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1294
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: I think we about right. Man. Listen, gotta be honest.

1295
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: Be honest. Obviously you don't want them to end.

1296
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: No question, question bru, no question listen like we Like

1297
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: I said, we about out of time. Man.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you.

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Speaker 1: Guys for joining us for this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Of Debo and Joe. Hit the light button, subscribe, we'll

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Speaker 2: be back.

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Speaker 3: Had it on Friday, we'd be back Friday. Make sure

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Speaker 3: you subscribe to Debo and Joe or I'm going to

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Speaker 3: have debo yo.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what this is, but I think

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Speaker 1: that's my son's way of putting up three now. I

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Speaker 1: told him to put it up like that. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you're listening, but this is three now.

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Speaker 1: I seen it in a movie where it got a

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Speaker 1: dude killed because he was supposed to put up three,

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Speaker 1: but he put up three like this, and they knew

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Speaker 1: that that wasn't the right three because that area they

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Speaker 1: put up three like this, so they knew he was

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Speaker 1: a spy.

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Speaker 2: You got shot up all right. Now, y'all have a

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Speaker 2: good one.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back to you on Friday.