WEBVTT - Bonus Episode | Melissa Etheridge on the Therapeutic Benefits of Psychedelics 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:05.320 All right, agreg when are illegal drugs good for your 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:05.800 mental health? 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.200 Thought we already talked about this, We might have, but 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:09.520 we got more to talk about. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.880 Some heartbreaking news for Melissa Ethridge. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.640 The singer announced yesterday that her son, Beckett Ceipher, has died. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.680 My son was given vicodin and from there he just 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.680 never got off of it. He went from vicodin to 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.640 heroin to the last few days it was spentinels. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.960 On Twitter, singer Melissa Ethridge wrote in part I joined 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.080 the hundreds of thousands of families who have lost loved ones. 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:35.920 To opioid addiction. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.800 He will be missed by those who loved him. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.600 How do you turn that sadness from the loss of 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.879 backet into the great work that you're doing right now? 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.400 The Etharch Foundation was set up to help people who 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.239 are understanding how much psychedelics can do for pain and 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.640 opioid use disorders. You know, there is no other compound 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.720 that will stop somebody from physically withdrawing on yet. We 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.080 have been working with a group out of Africa that 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.200 has used the Eboga root. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:07.640 But you make eyebigam. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.280 If successful, this mysterious compound could have the power to 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:16.000 heal millions while seriously disrupting the multimillion dollar opoid. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.520 Market and the results that we've gotten back that not 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.559 only are these users of fifteen twenty years completely off 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.080 opioids and heroin, but they just turn their life completely around. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.920 I'm Greg Lad, I'm Clayton, England and this is the 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.000 War on Drugs. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.000 We are back with another War on Drugs podcast. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.600 You thought you got rid of us, man, Nope, you 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:49.760 can't get rid of us. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:49.960 Man. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.360 We like drugs, just like the drug warm where ain't 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:52.840 going anywhere. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.720 Just like drugs, We're not going anywhere, and we're slightly addictive, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.560 so you know, we just give it people. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.000 They fix man. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.520 Yeah, no, absolutely, How you. 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:04.680 Been man, it's good. We in the summer, you know. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:06.840 Yeah, no, I've been good man. Yeah, how you been. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.320 I'm great, man, I'm great. Son just had a birthday. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.800 Yeah, we didn't have the big party this time, so 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:14.760 that was a relief. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:15.920 Any though. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.919 The case oh two, he's two, so it's too fast, 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:23.200 too furious, of course, yeah, he's too fast, and he's 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:24.160 often very. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.760 Furious about things. My mom made it. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.000 My mom made the race car cake, like she every 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.200 year she's stepping up on her cake. So this one 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.840 was like she made little race cars that were edible 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.800 and all types of stuff. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.080 She went crazy, Oh wow, yeah. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:41.160 All right, I need to bring your mom over for Yeah, 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.119 maybe I'll do there. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.360 You go, I'm telling you. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.400 The Big three six coming out. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:48.520 Awesome. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.399 Well we'll get into all that later. Yeah. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.440 Well we could talk birthdays all day. But yeah, even 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.560 a very special occasion. I was getting leiss Athraage to 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.240 come on and talk plant based medicine. And I mean, Clayton, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.600 we already did the interview, recorded it. That was just 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.560 an amazing conversation and talking to her one of someone 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.640 that you know, we all kind of grew up with 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:07.840 listen radio. 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.959 Especially if you're from that MTV era, if you that 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.240 MTV generation, you know those songs, you know. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.480 The videos to go with them. So oh yeah. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.400 When they sent the email like would you be interested 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:24.880 in interviewing Melissa Ethridge about hallucinogens and plant based medicine? Yes, man, Yes, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.200 I didn't even read the other parts. Like some things 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.960 you just asked me when can I do them? You 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:32.800 don't have to ask me if I want to do them. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.880 But you know, she's so raw and honest about everything. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.000 You know, she she had breast cancer and how plant 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.680 based medicines helped her through that, and then she started 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.000 the Melissa Athers Foundation, you know, really spurred from you know, 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.600 the tragic passing of her Sun Beckett, who died of 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.840 an opioid overdose. And you know, the whole crux of 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.240 the foundation is to research and fund studies on a 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.200 lot of plant based medicines. I've been able to help 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.680 treat depression, PTSD, opioated withdraw addiction, and so we continue 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.720 to kind of push that down because the War on 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.400 Drugs prohibits a lot of this funding, this research and 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.000 actually criminalizes doing some of this stuff. And so the 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.080 fact that we're slowly starting to see shreds of research 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.760 and funding come back again made possible by you know, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.360 foundations like hers, I think it's it's pretty remarkable. 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.080 So it was great to talk to her about. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:18.120 All of this. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.680 Yeah, man, And it's just one of those things where 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.800 we don't know what we don't know, and there's so 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.559 much research that hasn't been done, and everything is pushed 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.400 to the pharmaceutical side, and we know the SADE effects, 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.799 but I really think like just as a whole society 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:34.920 got to take a step back. 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:35.360 That's it. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.600 Just let let these have a seat of the table 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.000 and let them, you know, work on their own parts. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:40.520 Like that's all. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.840 Yeah, let the sciences science, let them science man like. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:46.600 Yeah. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.520 So again, this was it was just an amazing conversation. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.479 It's an amazing career, amazing life. And she's so open 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.600 and raw and honest about it. Yeah, I can't recommend 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.960 listening to my podcast that I need you to listen to. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.599 Yeah about that. Let's get too, Let's get into it. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.480 Hey, Melissa, thank you so much for coming here today 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.800 with us, for being on the War on Drugs podcast 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:14.320 with me and. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:15.560 Greg my pleasure. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:16.000 Thank you. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:17.400 We really appreciate it. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.919 We love what you're doing, and we just kind of 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.600 want to get into it. I mean, I'm not sure 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.479 the best way, but give us your personal history with 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.200 the War on Drugs. That is our podcast, so we 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.400 know everybody has their own personal battle. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.680 So you know, I grew up in the Midwest in 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.000 the sixties and seventies, and I had a big dream 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.720 of becoming a rock star. And in the seventies and 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.760 the early eighties, I saw a lot of my heroes 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.160 and stuff have trouble with drugs, and I saw a 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.000 lot of what the world was kind of going through, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.600 and so I chose a very I wasn't against anything, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.080 I just wasn't participating it. And I was more concerned 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:00.880 with making my career go than sort of losing myself 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.560 in something that was going to numb me out. So I, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.120 you know, put that aside, and I didn't drink. I 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.119 was a very strange rock star in that I didn't 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.760 participate in any of that, you know. But I would recreationally, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.680 you know, have fun with my friends with cannabis and 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:21.599 psilocybin and and but you know, not a lot. And 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.400 I never you know, got it myself. It was always 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.400 just you know, somebody else. Then in two thousand and 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:32.320 and four, I got breast cancer and started using cannabis 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:37.440 instead of all of the gosh they handed me like 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.640 for chemotherapy. They hand me like five, you know, prescription drugs, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.120 and I was like, you know, and then the the 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.000 drugs that help with the side effects of those drugs, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.479 and and I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait, 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.599 what are you doing? And and it was it was 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.760 medicinal in California cannabis was even though it was very 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.600 hard to get, you know, it's like they were still 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:59.880 busting everybody back then. But I was able to, you know, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.200 find the roadie that knew, the roadie that could get 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.760 me some cannabis. And I finally used it every day 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.640 for medicinal purposes, and I'd never done that before. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.720 Was it was to feel normal. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.880 And after you know, three months of using it and 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.960 helping me so much, keeping me out of the hospital, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:20.760 giving me an appetite, helping with depression and pain and 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.560 all these things that it was so good for, I thought, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.000 I want everyone to at least know this information, and 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.640 hopefully they could if they wanted to. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.960 Everyone should have a choice to use this. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.560 And that's what really kind of threw me into the 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:41.080 more political space of plant medicine and quickly realizing that 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:47.480 there's a big difference between pharmaceuticals and plant medicine that's 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.040 play around for thousands and thousands of years. You know, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.960 it's just huge, and you can't you cannot lump them together. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.400 So I really took a journey with that and it 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.600 led me to ayahuasca. It led me to my own 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.280 soul's searching. It led me to changing my life and 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.880 spiritual awakening and all these things that it led me to, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:13.640 which helped when my son who was a teenager sixteen, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.160 seventeen years old and wanted to be a professional snowboarder 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.480 and was trying out with an Aspen snowboard team and 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.720 he broke his ankle, It broke his dreams, and it 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:30.200 just broke him and he was given vicodint and from 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.320 there he just never got off of it. He went 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:38.600 from vicodin too heroin to the last few days it 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:44.240 was fentanyl. And so I've lost my son to the pharmaceuticals, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.600 and I have really then put so much of my 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:55.040 own energy and effort into having the world understand and 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.800 bringing the research and data that needs to be collected 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:01.160 to legalize plant medicine and that won't kill us. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.160 Well, it's so sad to hear about Beckett and his story, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.040 but I want to ask, so you you start the 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.040 Etherrets Foundation, really out this trauma, and how do you 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:14.160 turn that frustration sadness from the loss of Beckett into 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:15.920 you know, the great work that you're doing right now? 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.080 Can you talk a little about what the Ethers Foundation. 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.960 Does right after he died, I was very frustrated. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:27.920 I was sad. And a family when someone is struggling 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:32.480 with opoid use disorder and it's there's so much shame 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:37.800 and guilt and stuff that the family doesn't know what 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.880 to do with. You don't know whether to you know, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.320 give him money, give him help, or take everything away 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.600 or you know what, what are you supposed to do? 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.520 And no matter what you do, it's not right because 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.280 they have to come out of it themselves. 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:51.440 That's that's the only way. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.000 And so towards the last couple of weeks of his life, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.520 I knew that it was a very good possibility that 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.760 he would not survive this, and I was prepared in 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.840 a way. You know, of course, you never are fully 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.600 prepared for that when it happens. But so when he 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.160 passed away, I thought, I've got to do something positive. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.800 I don't want to be against things. I believe that 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:22.160 there's more power in being for something. And I really 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.920 believe that these plant medicines, these entheogens and psychedelics, they 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:31.320 can if a person is open to it, if they 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:32.679 want to walk that path. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:33.400 It's not. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.080 I don't think psychedelics are like here, try this and 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:43.240 your life will totally change. It might if you are 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.200 open to it, but a lot of it has to 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.720 do with the person. So the Etharge Foundation was set 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.880 up to help people who are understanding how much psychedelics 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:59.440 can do for pain and opioid use disorder and generally 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.720 just for the well being of human beings. And yet 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:08.200 they're thrown into the Schedule one category where there's no 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.640 medicinal value and we can't even do any research on it, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.960 which is like, you know, you can't get credit unless 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.679 you have credit. You know, it's stuck in this this 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.800 saying well, no, well we don't have any research. So 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.400 I said, well, we need to find the research. We 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.520 need to go do this, and so we have been. 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:30.199 We actually are the only foundation that is specifically focused 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.439 on opioid use disorder, and the people that are running 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:39.040 these trials are just just you know, frontline miracle workers 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.560 and we're getting amazing, amazing. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.120 Yeah, it just does almost sound like a trap, like, yeah, hey, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.600 are you using illicit drugs? Come on by to this 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.679 discovery exactly. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.400 You know, are you on drugs? Would you like some more? 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.400 Come by? And we got you. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.920 I love what you're doing because so much of the 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.760 things are misunderstanding and we haven't done the research and 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.240 haven't had the ability to. 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.160 Really do it. 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.320 And when we look at pharmaceuticals and just the way 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.559 they're so quick to put opioids in people's hands when 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.440 they're in pain, but at the same time they'll cut 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.600 them off at the drop of a hat, knowing how 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.679 addictive they are, and nobody really even talks about that. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.960 Nobody's like, hey, okay, well maybe this is leading people 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.319 down a path of. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.640 Yeah, they put so much on the person, the own 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.560 personal well, you you shouldn't get addicted, you know. It's 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:43.199 like wait a minute, right, So really, these antheogens, the 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:49.680 psychedelics do so much for a person's spirit and soul, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.120 and once again, it's still a lot has to do 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:58.640 with the person and their own life force. So it's 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:05.920 a it's not in the pharmaceutical categories because we pharmaceuticals 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.760 come from the place of one pill is going to 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:14.040 fix everybody on this, right, and how can you compete 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:19.719 with that When you're saying, look, every person has a 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.360 choice of all this and what fits them. It's a 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:28.480 whole different way of looking at wellness and medicine and health. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.040 So it's it's a long road we're gonna walk care. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.400 Yeah, I'm all for the plant based medicines. And you 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.960 said one thing, we put so much trust in the 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.600 pharmaceuticals and big pharma and they call the plant medicine 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.520 and things that have been around for thousands of years, 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:44.880 that's the alternative medicine. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.600 When how has it been here longer? 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.600 And it's the alternative and it's been proven throughout history. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.560 But this so it's one of those things to distance 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.800 it and make it seem foreign, dangerous, or will. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.400 Take take it to your chance with it if you 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:02.480 want to. It might alter you. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.000 Yeah, like you know, you should really start to unravel 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.440 this whole thing where none of this is really based 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.040 in evidence and science. It's all based in propaganda and 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.240 what you can control and what you can't. 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.240 And undoing that. Yeah, that's the work that we try 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.320 to do here, and we see you're doing it. It's 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.720 it's hard. It's like you said, years and. 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:27.120 Years information education, that's all you know. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:27.680 Research. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:29.840 That's why it's like, look, let's we're gonna get these 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.960 things one after another. And it's slowly and once again, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.120 it's not for everybody. You know, there's some people you're 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.280 not going to get to, hey, here's some psilocybin, it'll 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.120 it'll you know, change your life or whatever. You know, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.840 it's it's not gonna work. They're going to just think 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.360 that's really weird. You You really have to have your 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.440 own personal journey with it. So it's it's it's not easy. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.520 It's not a one pill fix it all thing. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.080 Right, Can you talk about that a little bit, just 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.680 as far as the journey and what do they need 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.760 to decide that they want out of it? 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:00.440 Wow? 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.400 Well, first of all, if they're listening to your podcast, 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:03.800 they got to be pretty cool, and they got to 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.640 be you know, they've got they've got to be a 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.240 certain you know, understanding going on. I think a lot 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:13.600 of it's generational. You know, the younger generation is a 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.120 is a bit more open and they know that they've 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.360 been lied to about cannabis. They that you can see 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.600 that as years go by and one by one the 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.280 states are legalizing, so you can see, oh, well, massive 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.320 amounts of people haven't gone crazy or nuts on cannabis. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.120 So maybe that whole refer madness. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.040 Was a lie. Oh yeah, it was. It was a lie. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.240 And so you know, so you kind of start that 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.440 and you check what your own understanding of it is, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:48.760 and you have to you're looking for harmony in your life. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.400 You're looking for some kind of harmony, and that one 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:55.080 path that so many of us are on. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.360 We got to get up, go to our job. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:57.680 We've got to do this, got to take care of 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.160 the kids, and we've got to solve all the problems 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.080 and then try to get it to go nights sleep. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.880 But we can't because we're all caffeined and we're all 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.920 worried and the stress. You have to kind of look 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.480 at that first and go, that's the biggest problem. That 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.920 might be why I have back pain, right, not because 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:13.880 there's something. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:14.680 Wrong with me. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.280 And once you kind of make that choice, if that's 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.040 what you're looking for, then psychedelics can help you. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.920 If you understand, oh, I need to change some behavior here. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.240 I need an answer, not just oh God, my back hurts, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.480 give me a pill, because you're gonna keep going down 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:32.920 that road. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:33.280 Right. 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:38.680 If you're ready to make a change, then cannabis can help. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:40.760 And a little bit of THC can help because it 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.000 kind of spreads time and space out for you and 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.400 you go, oh, there's more to this than what I've 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.920 thought now some people it's a hard jump to go 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.920 from left brain to let your right brain sort of 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.080 do some things. But if you're reading helps, talking to 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.920 other people, information, your podcasts, these things help, and then 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.480 it's a road and before you know it, you're at 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.600 some ayahuasca circle and you're journeying and you're discovering that 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:12.040 you are light and love and the world is a 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.560 full of a full of love. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.200 What you said about the psilocybin. 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.960 Definitely, I've had some experiences where it's okay, I need 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.200 to let things go, and it's simple stuff. If you're 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.480 allowed to be in that space, it's like breathing. You're like, wow, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.800 this feels good. Oh, this is what I'm not doing 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.200 when I get upset. This is why my shoulders hurt, 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.240 this is why my neck. I can hardly turn around 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.439 without you know, spinning my whole body. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:44.960 So, yeah, it's to take our population and the majority, 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.760 if we can get them out of the pill, fix 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.800 it all and gets them back on the construction line. 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:56.560 Quality of life is really important, and not everyone's gonna 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.440 do that. You know, people are always going to think 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.960 that hard work gets you somewhere, you know, and and boy, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.680 you know, yeah, one one little nice journey with psilocybin 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.360 can really teach you that breathing is an incredibly important 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:10.880 thing to do. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:11.640 Yeah. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.280 Yeah, And it must have been so trying to flip 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.879 that off, because I mean, being the megastar that you 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:19.919 are and the amount of work that that takes, and 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.080 then being a female in the time that you were 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.240 coming up and that, and then being a part of 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.159 the LGBTQ community and trying to. 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:26.800 Do as all that. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.880 Yeah, I mean there is you had. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.760 To bust your ass in the way that you did 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.439 to get there, and then to kind of say like 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.840 I have to balance this or turn that. That must 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.800 have been such a challenging experience. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.720 And so well, you know, I got breast cancer. 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:43.280 It eventually, you know it eventually, will you know, burn 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.400 yourself up till you finally go, well, okay, I got 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.560 a change, and that change is what saves your life. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.560 Every time my even doctors, bless their heart, they would say, well, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.160 we have found people that make a change in their 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.639 lives are the ones that survive. So it's kind of 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.159 simple there, and even they've seen that it's about finding 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.760 that thing, whether it's the family, whether it's your mother, 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.280 you know, whether it's your you know, what you think 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.639 you should do is a job, what you should make 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.760 and all those things. No, that's not what life is about. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:17.880 Life is not just some sort of race that we're 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.360 on that That is not how it is. It's it's 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.120 joy is ridiculously important in life, and we just don't 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.040 ever put it first. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.560 Yeah, very true. You felt that in your life the nineties. 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.879 The nineties was when you know, I was huge and 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.800 was the you know, playing stadiums and arenas, and it's 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.720 like I was there, and I've seen many many people 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.520 that get there and you go, ha wow. It was 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.920 a lot more fun getting too there than it is 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.760 being there, because being there lasts a day maybe, you know, 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.320 and it moves on, and life moves on in the 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.560 light of fame moves on. It's very fickle. It never 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.520 stays in one place. And you see these people that 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.600 make it and then they keep trying. Then then they're like, 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.160 oh God, I got to get up there. I've got 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.399 to I've got to do that again. I've got to 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.879 have that level and there's something can sustain it, you know, 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.199 for a long time, but eventually you got to just 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:19.199 you know, love it yourself, no matter what the outcome is, 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.240 no matter what people, how many you sell, or you know, 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.639 whatever is happening, you got to love it. That's what 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.160 saved me is it's like, oh no, I love doing this, 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.960 but I can be myself when I'm paying. I don't 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.119 have to be I don't have to make myself up 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.800