1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: When you're in a sport and you know so much, 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: the temptation is there. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Sergio Garcia before he won the Masters, I heard the 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: father in law gave him a big cage rattle like 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: quit acting like the game, like owes you something, go 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: out and earn it, like go win, like stop being 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: such a little basically, And I was like, oh wow, 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: that that might be exactly the pep talk that Sergio 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: needed anyone the Masters and I benefited, you know, I 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 2: mean that's I felt a little like, I mean, this 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: is really good info. 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: I got thoughts in my head. Can't get him not 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 3: to think what I'm thinking about, thoughts in my head, 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: can't get him out not to think, well, I'm thinking about. 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Hello, this is Alan Chipnook back for another fire podcast. 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: I am in Denver, Colorado for the US amateur Matt Janella. 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: After a long sojournto Ireland is back in Oceanside at 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Firepit World headquarters. Welcome home. Man. 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: To say it's been a rough re entry into reality 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: would be a complete and total understatement. Thirty one hours 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: from Waterville, the Villa Maria little hotel in the middle 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: of town. Bus Shannon JFK mechanical troubles La Uber de 23 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: San Diego home thirty one hours later, and yeah, yesterday 24 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: I was borderline coma. 25 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for shaking over the cop Yeah, thanks for 26 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: shaking off the cob webs here for our listeners. So 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: we thought today would be a little bit of a 28 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: state of the fire pit. There's a lot going on here. 29 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: I've been living the amateur life. I was at bel 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: Air Country for the Women's Amateur. I'll be Cherry Hills 31 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: this week for the US Amateur. And we want to 32 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: talk a little about the Ireland trip, and we thought 33 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: we'd relive some of the fallout from our Billy Walters 34 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: excerpt last week. We kind of podcasted as it dropped. 35 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: But it's been a very eventful you know, basically six 36 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: days since then, so let's get into it. But I 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: will say, you know, and I was writing every day 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: for Firepak Collective dot com from bell Air and it 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: was just so refreshing to be at a at a 40 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: high level amateur event. I've been as people probably know, 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: I've been covering this war between the PGA Tour and 42 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: live golf, and while it's been fascinating, it's also just 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: all about the money, and everyone sueing each other or 44 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: they were, and all the bitchiness and all the name 45 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: calling and the mud slinging, and the overwhelming feeling at 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: bell Air was just sort of joy and gratitude. And 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: these young women were just so delight to be on this, 48 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: this really fascinating golf course, to be in LA with 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: all the excitement and competing for a national championship, and 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: it was just an absolute like palate cleanser. And you know, 51 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: I have no doubt this week that the Westampster is 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: gonna be the same. So it's been. It's been a nice, 53 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: nice break, nice change of scenery. 54 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: And I want to know, I want to know more 55 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: about it. I will say on the subject of money, Uh, 56 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: just in order in order for us to pay some 57 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: of our bills. 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I want to thanks thank. 59 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: Some of the sponsors that we have not only a 60 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: part of the Fire Drill but also the Fire Pit Podcast, 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: but also just a sponsor and supporter of everything we 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: do here at the Fire Pit Collective. And that's first 63 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: Dormy Workshop, which as you know, is an incredible golf 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 2: family business based in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where all they 65 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: do is make quality leather headcovers and accessories. 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In fact, John Ashworth is now sharing some 77 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: of our office space here in Oceanside. And you know 78 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: we play all of our home golf at Goathillpark, all 79 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: that he's done up there, any and all things link Soul, 80 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: John Ashworth Goatthillpark. We're a big fan of supporter of 81 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: Go to linksoul dot com and use fire Pit twenty 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: five for twenty five percent off your next purchase of 83 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: all things link Soul. On that note, Al, I mean, 84 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: you know that comparison and contrast of ProLife versus am life, 85 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: and that refreshing kind of of look at not only 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: you know, amateur golf but specifically women's amateur golf at 87 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: a place like bel Air. What are your kind of 88 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: big big takeaways. 89 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: Well, one of the things, and this is I'm not 90 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: breaking new ground here, but to see it up close 91 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: in personal and such intimate setting, is how much more 92 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: fun it is to watch the top women play an 93 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: old classic golf course because they can't blow it over 94 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: every bunker and every dog leg, and they don't hit 95 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: it so high that it just stops dead on the 96 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: green like they really do have to play the dog legs. 97 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: They have to use the contours of the green, they 98 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: have to use the ground more. It's just so pleasing 99 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: esthetically to watch. And I'd played bel Air once since 100 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: the Tom Doak restoration. It really came away with a 101 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: new love and appreciation for it because they it was 102 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: a race track. I mean, they'd shave the grass down everywhere, 103 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: and so it really brought out the contours around the 104 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: green and so the recovery shots were fascinating. Like just 105 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: and again, you know, I think that the top male 106 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: pros and even amateurs, they can impart so much spin 107 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: even in the short game, and they just kind of 108 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: throw it up in the air and stop it by 109 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: the hole and that's cool. It's fun to watch, but 110 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, there's fifteen sixteen seventeen year old girls out 111 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: there playing in the US Women's Amateur and they don't 112 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: have that kind of strength, and so it's much more 113 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: about bumping it into the slopes and feeding it off 114 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: of the hills. And it was just super fun to watch, 115 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: So that aspect of it was great. And you know, 116 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: Rachel Heck was one of the stars of the week 117 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: from Stanford and she's just such a breath of fresh air. 118 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: I mean, she was coming in straight from rotc training 119 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: at the Air Force, didn't touch a club or her 120 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: phone for eighteen days and was absolute grunt, you know, 121 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: doing pre dawn jogs and all the things you've seen 122 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: in the movies. And previous to that, she'd had, you know, 123 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: surgery to remove a rib because she had this very 124 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: unusual disorder that was affecting her nerves. And so she 125 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: played one round of golf since October competitively, and she 126 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: was just so happy to be there and every and 127 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: she just every win was a blessing and I mean 128 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: she's like my new life coach. Talking to her, it 129 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: was great. She just has such a fantastic perspective on life, 130 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: and she knows. 131 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm out on the life coaching is that. 132 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: That you're You're my backup like ill you know, and 133 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: I need to go to the bullpen, I'll signal the right hand. 134 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: Uh uh so that makes it right making. She was 135 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: a delight and you know, the champ for Megan Schoolfield 136 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: was of Auburn just really naturally fun, funny personality and 137 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: she was like the other finalists, Latana Stoone, they were 138 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: both fifth year They've they've had long journeys in college. 139 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: Both have had very nice careers but never had a 140 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: big breakthrough of this level, and so it just meant 141 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: so much to them. I mean, Schofield she burst into 142 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: tears after winning her semi final match, so just the 143 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: relief and the happiness, and she was a mess after 144 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: the championship match. It was just so sweet, you know, 145 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: talking about her parents and her college coaches who took 146 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: a chance on her, and it's just great. I mean, 147 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: it's really it's really a joy to be around that energy. 148 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: And uh, I think everyone who was watched on TV 149 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: or those who made the trek out to Bela or 150 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: just came away with a new appreciation for how good 151 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: these players are, how funn it is to watch golf 152 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: at that level, and and just the good vibes of 153 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: the amateur game. 154 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: Is that the fifth year senior stuff is that is 155 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: at all pretty pretty a direct sort of riple effect 156 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: of COVID. 157 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, they did grant all the players the ability to 158 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: take a fifth year if they wanted it, and a 159 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: lot of them have and like they're getting there, Stone 160 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: and Schofield, the two fives, they're getting master's degrees, like 161 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're really taking advanceage of it. And 162 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: it was interesting the final four players. There was a 163 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: third fifth year player out of Michigan and then Heck 164 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: is in her fourth year, and that was an interesting 165 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: part of the week. Is kind of a subtext to 166 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: this is not only the COVID stuff, but also the 167 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: arrival of ni L the name, image, likeness, money. The 168 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: top players now are not incentivized to go to the 169 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: LPGA or you know, Heck could have turned pro two 170 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: years ago she wanted to, and would have been would 171 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: have been coveted in the marketplace. But she has various 172 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: deals that are giving her a nice cushion and take 173 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: away any of the injury risk. And she's not even 174 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: sure she wants to turn pro. We talked about she said, 175 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: I'll probably try and see how it goes, but you know, 176 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: I'll have a Stanford degree and I'll have a lot 177 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: of options, and I'm just gonna take it as it comes. 178 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: And an interesting subtext to that is that the the 179 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: international players, because they're on student visas in the United States, 180 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: cannot take nil money. It's it's kind of a violation 181 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: of the visa the way it's worded. So fifteen of 182 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: the sixteen quarter finalists at this Women's Amateur we're American 183 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: and and in the last this century, almost every winner 184 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: has been a teenager, and whereas all the two finalists 185 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: were both you know, twenty two. And so I think 186 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: you're going to see a change in the women's amateur 187 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: where it's going to be more heavily American and it's 188 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: going to be older. These players who stick around for 189 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: because of because of il money makes it an easy choice. 190 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: So I think that's I think that's good for the championship. Yeah, 191 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: these players, they've been around, you've kind of gone on 192 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: there on this journey with them, especially in the case 193 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: of Rachel Heck, who was his freshman phenom and then 194 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: had two years of injury and it's now back like 195 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: you're just more invested than in a seventeen year old 196 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: who hasn't lived any life and hasn't been through any adversity. 197 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I think for for US fans, for 198 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: better or for worse, you know, they kind of gravitate 199 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: towards the American players. That's just where their rooting interest 200 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: goes when they don't have a lot of history with 201 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: the players. So I think it's good for the championship. 202 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: It's it's going to be the demographics are changing, and 203 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: it's been it's been forty years since any player mid 204 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: am you know, to find is someone who's twenty five 205 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: or older won the US Women's Amateur but and almost 206 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: as long on the US amateur side. But I think 207 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna have a lot more twenty two 208 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: to twenty three year olds, which is getting creeping up 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: on the midam's cutoff. So it's funny how how these 210 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: market forces and big picture things affect these tournaments. 211 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: I know we'll get into Ireland here in a second, 212 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: but I was with Anya donegan at La Hinch just prior, 213 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: you know, after the Women's US Opening, before she left 214 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: for the Women's US Amateur, And that was a big 215 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: part of our conversation. You know, here she was talking 216 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: about a breakout star at Pebble Beach and how she 217 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: kind of won the hearts of the golfing world with 218 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: her first round sixty nine, her walk in talk on Friday, 219 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: you know, all that she went through, you know, lost 220 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: and then broken clubs coming into the Women's Open, you know, 221 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: to talk about a breath of fresh air. I mean 222 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 2: just just could not say more about being around her. 223 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: But the big topic of conversation for her was, you know, 224 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: now with all this business stuff coming at her and 225 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 2: you know, potential opportunities, but then her going to school 226 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: at LSU and not being able to get any nil 227 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: money because of the visa she's on, She's had a 228 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: huge disadvantage. You know, she comes from a small town, 229 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: you know, in Ireland. You know, I know I know 230 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: her parents, you know, work and stuff, but it's you know, 231 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 2: I don't think they're very well off. And international travel 232 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: and all the costs that go along with golf in general. 233 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: I mean she you know, I just don't know how 234 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: this all gets sorted, if and when it does, or ever. 235 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: But to your point, I think us women, you know, 236 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: us amateur golfers are going to be greatly benefiting from 237 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: the NIL deals and the international players are at a 238 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: huge disadvantage. 239 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this, this, this could all change, of course, 240 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: through some tweaks to the student visa language or advocacy 241 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: by various groups. So it's not forever, but that's certainly 242 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: the landscape right now. And I know Anya came into 243 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: bel Air very late because of that, and she, you know, 244 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: she never quite looked like she got her footing. And 245 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: it's a heck of a long journey. It was. It 246 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: was the wrong week to come in late because a 247 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: lot of the players stayed with families of bel Air 248 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: members and some unbelievable houses right there, and they were 249 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: having the time of their life and they're in these 250 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: mansions in bel Air and bopping around Los Angeles like 251 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: Latana Stone her her host family had this murdered out 252 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: Rolls Royce like Black Home Black. She was, you know, 253 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: she was going to and from the golf tournament and 254 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, it was just it was just 255 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: a funny. There's there's a lot of nice clubs out there, 256 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: but the Beller people like to like to show off, 257 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: and so the cars and the houses. And I made 258 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: a I made a joke on not a joke and 259 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: observation on Twitter that got a lot of pickup because 260 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: all the Beller members they got the club crest on 261 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: their hat, their shirt, their belt, their socks. I mean 262 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: we needed to yeah, fourteen club, you know limit in 263 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: your in your bag. We needed like a two logo 264 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: limit out there at bell Air because they were all 265 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: in violation of it. But I will say the club 266 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: did it. They were extremely welcoming like that. They did 267 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: a great job. It's a very hilly golf course and 268 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: they had an army of staffers out there and carts 269 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: to just get fans around if you need it, if 270 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: you needed a boost, and they were pulling. Everyone was 271 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: carrying waters and there was a place where they had 272 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, cold towels you could cool off because there 273 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: was some hot days. They were very hospitable. So I 274 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: guess we'll allow them the logos because they did a 275 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: nice job with the fans. 276 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: I was saying to Anya Man coming in on Friday 277 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: before I'm dealing with the jet lag of coming west 278 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: on that far of a trip, you know, from Ireland 279 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: to the West coast, eight hour difference, that's a real thing. 280 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: And for her to get in and have to turn 281 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: around and adjust to that and also play that, you know, 282 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: play an unfamiliar golf course, there was a lot stacked 283 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: against her. I tried to put her in touch with 284 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: Gunner Weby, son of Mark Weeby, and then who played 285 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour obviously, and then Gunner is now 286 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: at the DP World Tour and having some good success 287 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: and not long after Covid sort of recommitted to playing professionally. 288 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: And. 289 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: I think he has tie. He has a tie for 290 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: the course record or almost shot fifty nine at Bella 291 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: not not that long ago. So I tried, you know, 292 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: I put them in contact. I don't know if they 293 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: were ever to ever talk, but wanted to get any 294 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: a little inside scoop on the on the ins and 295 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: outs of bell Air, just to try to give her 296 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: a little help going into going into it. So I 297 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: don't know whether or not that. 298 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't ask for that. Yeah, there's a lot 299 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: of inside knowledge to be gleaned, like I was staying 300 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: at the Trophy Championship in Jim Bones Mackay's brother came 301 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: up to say hi, I never met him before and 302 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: he's a member out there, and so you know, it's like, oh, 303 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: it could have some so mu sort of ring up Bones. 304 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: He's played a lot at bell Air. There's there's some 305 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: fun connections you make out there. But let's talk about 306 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: Ireland a little bit. Because you were you were kind 307 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: of keeping people apprized of your travels on social but 308 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm privy to more of the details. I mean when 309 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: the content's coming and we'll talk about in more detail 310 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: various stages, but we just tell the listeners like some 311 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: of the highlights and how long you were there and 312 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: how many rounds you played and how much you saw 313 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: of the entire island, because it's pretty incredible. 314 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: So, even going back pre COVID, my dream was always 315 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: to play in The Father Daughter with our daughter Kylie, 316 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: who is now nineteen. We started talking about this and 317 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: actually had entered The Father Daughter pre COVID when she 318 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: was about fifteen, and it didn't happen, and for a 319 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: variety of reasons, but it just didn't work out. So 320 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: the goal was to play in the Father Daughter with her, 321 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: do some work in Ireland and then play in the 322 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: Father Son. It's something I've played in now for over 323 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: ten years, and. 324 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about that. 325 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: I've done features on that. That's obviously one of the 326 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: greatest events in golf in the world, there's no question 327 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: about it. Ninety six teams, Fathers and Sons, thirty fourth year. 328 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: This year it was the fifteenth year of the Father Daughter. 329 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: And I will tell you that Kylie is had played 330 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: a lot of hockey growing up. We've gone to Gohill Park. 331 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: She played a year on her high school golf team 332 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: when we were in Florida. But at that point that 333 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: high school golf team was really just almost like an 334 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: introduction to the game. It wasn't a very hyper competitive 335 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: so she had never actually played eighteen full holes of golf. 336 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: She had played Winter Park nine with me. She'd you know, 337 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: hit some range balls at Goahill Park. The Father Daughter 338 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: up to forty teams this year. It's not you know, yes, 339 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: there are there are a lot of There are a 340 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: lot of you know, young women out there who can 341 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: play really good golf. And obviously there are some the 342 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: variation of Dad's skill levels is all over the map, 343 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: from you know, plus to twenty five handicaps. It's it's 344 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: it's really you know, even the father son. It's not, 345 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: as I say, if you show up to win, you're 346 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: probably not at the right kind of event. If you 347 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: happen to win, then let's celebrate, you know what I mean. 348 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: It's not about that. It's about the networking and the 349 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: camaraderie and the conversations and the it's just it's just 350 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: about so much more that we've talked about a million 351 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: times that golf provides. It's about the course, it's about 352 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: the community around that golf course. It's it's so much. 353 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: So Kylie goes in. We get three incredible days of weather, 354 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: thank god, because if it was raining sideways, I think 355 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: she would have looked at me. 356 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: Like is this really what? Like? 357 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: You play in this? I mean, you know, like she's 358 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: just way more sensible than anybody that I know, So 359 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: she would have looked at me like this just makes 360 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: no sense. I mean we got to go again, and 361 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: so we had great weather. She had her first pint 362 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: of guinness. She's nineteen drinking age there is eighteen, So 363 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: she had her first pinted guinness, first shot a whiskey, 364 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: She had her first eighteen holes of golf, she had 365 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: her first tournament of golf. She got her first you know, 366 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: little tattoo. Her and her mom went to Dublin Inc. 367 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: And she got three little daisies on her arm representing her, 368 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: her mom and her grandma. You know, she you know, 369 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 2: as you know Alan A, teenagers dealing with COVID and 370 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: in high school really handcuffed their social growth. Kylie moved states, 371 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: she moved high schools. Her social growth was seriously stunted 372 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: by this global pandemic. She had become very you know, 373 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: shellish as far as her social endeavors. She works hard. 374 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: She gets a four point two GPA. She's an amazing 375 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: human being, talented in so many different ways. This trip 376 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: to Ireland, that tournament the father daughter not only helped 377 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: us in our relationship, it helped her social growth, you know, immensely. 378 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: Like Katie and I, we watched her literally blossom. And 379 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: she was with three great, young, incredible women in Julia Carr, 380 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: Sophie Grace Carr. So Julia Carr is the son a 381 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: daughter of Marty Carr. Sophie Grace is the. 382 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: Daughter of. 383 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: Roddy Carr and then and then Aide Malloy's daughter. She 384 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: is Adriana Molloy. These girls have been playing in the 385 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: Father Daughter for so long, and they took Kylie under 386 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: her wing and you know, helped kind of shepherd her 387 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: as a golfer but also as a young female in 388 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: a foreign country. It was you know, so that in itself, 389 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: if you're looking for highlights, and we did a we're 390 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: going to do a whole feature on the Father Daughter 391 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: and why this particular tournament matters in the bigger scheme 392 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: of things for the fathers the daughters in the greater 393 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: game of golf. So that to me is where we 394 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: started and that was like the the biggest highlight. 395 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: In addition, by the way, yeah, by the way, her 396 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: first round was at Waterville, Like I mean, you're talking 397 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: about one of the great links courses in the world 398 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: like that, it's all it's not all downhill from there, 399 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: but it's close. And but yeah, that that's that's so cool. 400 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, I've I've gotten to know Kylie. 401 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: She's just such a sweetheart and delighted you guys had 402 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: that experience. Yeah, she'll never forget it. That's special. 403 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: No, And I think it's changed the way she's looking 404 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 2: at her life. 405 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: She's changed. 406 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: It's changed the way she's looking at you know, the 407 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: future of of where she wants to go to school, 408 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: or to live, or to travel. 409 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: You know. 410 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: I think travel is such a gift, getting out and 411 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: seeing the world around us. It's why, you know why 412 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 2: my life, my professional life has been such a blessing 413 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: to be able to you know, move around and meet 414 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: the people I meet at some of these destinations or 415 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 2: events like a father daughter or father son. So yeah, 416 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: that's she's come back and she wants to play more golf. 417 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: She wants to win it next year. She got better 418 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: every swing by the end. Her last hole of her 419 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: last round was the eighteenth water glass along a watervill 420 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: along part five along the water. She had hit the 421 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 2: green in three on the previous day and I think 422 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: four putted and she was getting too she was getting 423 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: two shots. 424 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: She was getting two shots. 425 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: On this particular day, she lipped out for what would 426 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: have been a five net three, which would have been 427 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: an egle four point in Stableford, and it just hung 428 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: on the edge and we all collapsed. It's a picture 429 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: I posted on Instagram. Mel McLain of Momentum Golf Photography. 430 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: He shot and so she made a six for four 431 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: and made a birdie. But like that's where it ended, 432 00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: and she is hooked. 433 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: She's hooked. So anyway, that's so great. 434 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: In addition to all that good, Yeah, in addition to 435 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: all that, we played lahinch ardglass Port, Marnick Port, martin Port, 436 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 2: Marnick Lynx a dare from the tips. I stopped by 437 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: and saw the changes to Donebeg, you know, obviously keeping 438 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 2: all politics aside. You know, what Hawtrey did to what 439 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: the original Greg Norman design was was something I wanted 440 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: to get eyes on. And next door to Donebeg is 441 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: Michael Boland's original home going back to the eighteen hundreds. 442 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 2: Michael Boland, if you did, if you saw our Dublin 443 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: travel show, is my great great grandfather. So we knocked 444 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 2: on doors, talk about a highlight. Katie, Kylie and Bandon 445 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: and I the four of us knocked on doors, found 446 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: a farmer who knew what we were talking about. Brought 447 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: us out to my great great grandfather's old farm. We 448 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: found the ruins of his house where my great grandfather, 449 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: Francis Bolan was born before he emigrated to San Francisco. 450 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 2: So I mean I've been out there now twice. We've 451 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: shot some stuff there that's we pieced together from the 452 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 2: epic immigration museum in the Family History Center and all 453 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: the information we got there and connected the dots to 454 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: the home in which they used to live. And as 455 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: of this morning, I took a couple of stones we 456 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: took from the old ruins and put them in our 457 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 2: backyard into kind of a ceremonial like situation with bandon 458 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 2: and I bringing it next to this other little collection 459 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: of rocks we have in the backyard. So that those 460 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: are just two highlights I mean not to mention two 461 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: all Irelands, the football, the Gaelic football and the hurling. 462 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: The courses we played the forty foots we went to 463 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: Portumna and Portumna Golf Club, like the Portumlak golf course 464 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: is my new best value golf course in the world, 465 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: not just in the world. For thirty euros, you can 466 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: play Portumda Golf Club. And I'm going to do a 467 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: whole feature in a little breakdown on you know it's 468 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: it's you know it's you can get it. Get to 469 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: it from an hour and a half from La Hinch. 470 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: It's next to like a national forest. It is immaculate condition. 471 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: Thirty euros. You're going to play a golf course in 472 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: which you think it's three hundred euros. It's it's phenomenal. 473 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: So I've got to spend time with Owen Lynch, his 474 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: family and Portumna friend I've made in my travels. I 475 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: got to play backyard hurling with his kids. They roughed 476 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: me up a little bit, but I was able to 477 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: hold my own. I went out with a guy named 478 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: Noel Ryan port pints in La Hinch at the Nineteenth 479 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: Bar in La Hinch for two hours. I was well 480 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: overserved myself. I barely survived the night, you know, I 481 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: just did. We have stories out of this trip to 482 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: Ireland and the previous trip to Ireland that are going 483 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: to last us for the next twelve months and then some. 484 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 1: Well. I think the listeners can probably pick up on 485 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: your excitement and your passion for this, So it's going 486 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: to be I can't wait to see it all come 487 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: to life. I mean you should. All this everything you 488 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: just talked about has been captured on camera, like it's 489 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: going to be some spectacular content and you know, we've 490 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: we've kind of recommitted to these this the long form 491 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: travel pieces because you know that's Matt so good at 492 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: it and they're timeless and who doesn't get swept up in, 493 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: you know, wanting to visit these amazing places. So that 494 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: the Dublin version is already out on you can find 495 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: it on our YouTube channel or I think when this 496 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: podcast drops, of course we'll link to it and maybe 497 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: we'll reup it on our homepage. And this this is 498 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: kind of part two of Ireland Focus in Belfast, but 499 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: has a lot of other facets as well, so that'll 500 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: be coming hopefully next week. So it's it's fun. It's 501 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: fun to a lot of people do travel, and you 502 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: can certainly if you type in ten best golf courses 503 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: in Ireland, you're going to get various lists and various opinions. 504 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: But the thing I love about these immersive stories you do, Matt, 505 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: is that it's the golf is part of it, obviously, 506 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: but it's really a cultural excursion. You're sort of like 507 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: the Anthony Bourdain of the golf beat, where it's like 508 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: really burrowing into these places you visit and finding the 509 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: characters and finding the history and I mean there's much 510 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: an anthropologist as you are a golfer, and so I 511 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: just love, you know, just as a fan. I love 512 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: to watch them because they make me feel connected. I've 513 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: been to these some of these places, not all of them, 514 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: but I feel closer to them after I watch the 515 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: videos because it's you get the context and the history 516 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's neat. So I can't wait for this 517 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: one because I've been lucky to play through Northern Ireland 518 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: and it's phenomenal, but I want to learn. 519 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: More well that you know, the whole I think we're 520 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 2: we're both kind of refocused. Our whole team here at 521 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: the fire Pro Collective is refocused on our core, you know, 522 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: our core objectives inform and inspire, entertained, and make people 523 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: smart about the world they live in, inspire them to 524 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: go see it and do it for themselves, and entertain 525 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: them if and when we can make them laugh or 526 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: cry or do both. And that's the way I've looked 527 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: at any and all things I've done from a travel perspective, 528 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: and I don't rate courses on tea to green on 529 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 2: the architecture or architects. That certainly factors into my overall 530 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: rating of a golf course, but or a travel trip 531 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: or a destination. But for me, it's about the overall experience. 532 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: And the experience is at a course from when the 533 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: time you pull in to the time you leave. What 534 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: is that experience? What do you feel? You know, it's 535 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: not just do I want to go back and play 536 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 2: that course again? It's do I want to go back 537 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: and experience that course again? And all that comes with it. 538 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: It's you know, it's the person, the first greeting you make, 539 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: to the to the sendoff you get, and whether or 540 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 2: not you feel like you feel that warmth, and it's 541 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: something you can't really sometimes describe, but it's something that 542 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: you can articulate in what you feel. And so I 543 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: look at that in all of my trips and all 544 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: of my travel logs. My journeys is and we don't 545 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: when we go and move around, we don't just experience 546 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: the golf course. You go out to dinner, you go 547 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: out for a pint or a beer or a drink. 548 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 2: You've got to go find a place to stay, you 549 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: have to get to your next location. So that's what 550 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: journeys or away games is. I used to do at 551 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: golf die just before I did journeys at Golf Channel 552 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: and now what we're doing at fire Pit and partnering 553 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: with in some cases Golf di just in Golf Channel 554 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: is to is to try to continue on that whole experience, 555 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: which is, yeah, it's forty to sixty percent golf, and 556 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: it's forty to sixty percent of what's happening off the 557 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: golf course. And and we are sticking to that formula 558 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: because it's something that has always worked and why change now. 559 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: And you know, you and I have done a lot 560 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 2: of trips together. You've written about our trips. You know, 561 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: we've you know, socially posted about our trips. We're going 562 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: to be doing more trips together in the future as well. 563 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: And look forward to some of some of that as 564 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: you know, as we continue to kind of team up 565 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: on all things, you know, golf. 566 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I look forward to that. Yeah, we were 567 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: talking about some some destinations this morning that I've been 568 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: in touch with us as we're starting to put out 569 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: all these videos and they want us to come do it. 570 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: It's like, do you want to go to Iceland? I 571 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: think we want to go to Iceland. We want to 572 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: gone down the list it's Montana, yes, check Hawaii. But yeah. 573 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: So let's talk about another big event in the recent 574 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: history of the Firepit Collective, which was the Billy Walters 575 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: Phil Nicholson excerpt that we dropped last Thursday. It just 576 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: took over the golf media, the sports media, crossed over 577 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: into the business page. I get. It was just the 578 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: amount of energy as we knew what would happened. Like, 579 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, Bennett, one of our our key support guys, 580 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: he actually called this, uh word Press, which that's the 581 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: kind of the what our what runs are the organization 582 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: that runs our website. Excuse me, Bennett called WordPress to say, Okay, 583 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: we're expecting a lot of traffic, like we got like 584 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: let's let's uh get the girders in plays, like, let's 585 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: button things up. It's like, you know, here, when the 586 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: hurricanes come, you start putting plywood over the windows and 587 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: stuff like That was kind of the vibe. We knew 588 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: this was gonna go crazy, and of course it did. Uh. 589 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: It's it's always fun and interesting to be the center 590 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: of these storms, you know. This was this was Billy's story. 591 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: These are Billy's words, not not minor yours. But we 592 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: were a delivery system. And it was actually interesting because 593 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: a guy came up to me at bel Air. He's 594 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: just he was just a fan at the tournament and 595 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: he's just a fan of the fire but I've never 596 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: met him before. He introduced himself and said, I just 597 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: got to ask you, like, what was it like, you know, 598 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: right before you pressed publish on that on that excerpt, 599 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: because you know, you knew things were gonna get crazy. 600 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: And he's like, did you think about it? You take 601 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: a deep breath, you say a little prayer, like he 602 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: was like, it was, it was sort of he understood 603 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: sort of the cinematic moment of like when you press 604 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 1: the button, then these things go live. It was, it was. 605 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: It was a perceptive question, but you know, I was, 606 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd been I'd been immersing this for so long, 607 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: Like I guess I'm I'm not immune to it. But 608 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, here we go. You know, it's just 609 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: because it does take over your life socially as far 610 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: as I spent two days on the fire pit handle 611 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: just engaging with people, answering quot questions, adding context, and 612 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: that was fun. But it's I felt I felt I 613 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: frew time had to lay down and close my eyes 614 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: because my brain was scrambled. There's just so much coming 615 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: in and so much going out at the same time. 616 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, it was It was interesting, and of 617 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: course Phil is he's remarkable. He's at the live event 618 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: at Trump Bedminister when all this stuff goes on, and 619 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: played the first two rounds. He played some of the 620 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: best golf of the year. I mean he was he 621 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: was right, he was nipping it cam Smith's heels and 622 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: then in classic Mikelsonian fashion, made an eight on a 623 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: par three and crashed and burned and just set himself 624 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: on a fire. I mean, it would have been epic 625 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: if he could have actually won his first live event 626 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: the same week this drops, it would have been so 627 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: in character. The guy just somehow thrives on the on 628 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: the juice, you know, he just that's that's the whole 629 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: that's the whole subtext of the excerpt and to my 630 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: book about him and just his life, like he needs 631 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: the juice and everything, and you know, maybe it all 632 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: caught up with him during the fire around. But what 633 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: were you over Ireland? I mean you were far away geographically, 634 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: but everyone's in the golf world there so was what 635 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: was your action like. 636 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 2: There, No, it was I was on the seventeenth tea 637 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: of Waterville, A very good part three. And one of 638 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: the drastic improvements that that Tom Fazio made to that 639 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 2: golf course was that whole seventeenth green. You can look 640 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: out beyond, you can see the Waterville house in the distance. 641 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: And. 642 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 2: Rain and wind are are at its peak. I mean, 643 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: it is coming sideways. It's totally out of control. I've 644 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: got both rain gloves on, you know, everything is so 645 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 2: too total breach of rain gear at this point. I 646 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: mean I was, you know, I literally poured water out 647 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 2: of my shoes after the round. And at that moment 648 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: was when was when, you know, the send button happened 649 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: and my phone is going crazy and I'm getting tech 650 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: and comments and commentary and I'm trying. I'm trying to 651 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 2: respond to some of the most important ones. I think 652 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 2: even a text to you at that point in both 653 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 2: rain gloves with a rain soaked face of my iPhone, 654 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: and I was like, I just I can't do that. 655 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: I can't do this right now, this is not happening. 656 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to hit pause on But it was, 657 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: you know, we're with you know, ninety six fathers and 658 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: sons and all of whom you know, care and consume 659 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 2: the game, not unlike anybody probably listening to this podcast. 660 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: And I think it's a general mixed reaction, which is, 661 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 2: no one's surprised that Phill bets or bet a lot. 662 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: I think the numbers were staggering when you put a 663 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 2: B instead of an M, as we discussed previously, that's 664 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: that's amazing. Then running the numbers of how many bets 665 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 2: on average per day or specific days in which made 666 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 2: a ton of bets, and that was kind of a 667 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: and then and the in the attempt to bet on 668 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 2: you know, I guess, which he denies, but Billy says 669 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: he made that phone call and want to bet on 670 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 2: the US team in twenty twelve. It was just a 671 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: massive headshake, which is just like, wow, I you know, 672 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: obviously you know all that being true. Uh, that's just 673 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 2: that's that's that's insane. That's that there are people who 674 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: have problems, you know, gambling issues, and that takes it 675 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: to a level that I don't think a lot of 676 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: people can even process or imagine to be to be realistic. 677 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, although you know, importantly, in his very artfully crafted statement. 678 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, Phil didn't deny calling Billy and requesting him 679 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 1: to take the bet. He just said he didn't wind 680 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: up betting on the Ryder cut. So it's you know, 681 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: it feels he's His legal ease is always interesting to parse. 682 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 1: But I will say. 683 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 2: Armand Katayin, by the way, not to not to you know, 684 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 2: like armand Katain's response to all of that and what 685 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 2: he filed in response to that on our website as well. 686 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 2: I just thought was was really important, and I think 687 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna get Arman on a podcast here 688 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 2: in the near future. But I just you know, I 689 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: go back to playing softball with Army Katain at Sports 690 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: Illustrated in Central Park, and I've always respected and marveled 691 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: at his you know, much like yourself, people like Haimi Diaz, 692 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 2: Tim Rose of Fort, John Hawkins, Bob Verdi. I've always had, 693 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 2: you know, some of my favorites, and he's always been 694 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 2: one of my favorite. 695 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: You know. 696 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: Bill Knack is another guy I ad mentioned, but like 697 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 2: armand Katayin is, he is no mess around as it 698 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 2: relates to journalism, writing, reporting, and the sum total of 699 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: his of his his work portfolio it's incredible. 700 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, Army and I we've been talking 701 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: off and on for a while, and I mean it 702 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: was a three year project to get this book in print. Yeah, 703 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: it was almost the way he describes it, I'm on paraphrase, 704 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: but it was like he was writing his Bucking Bronco 705 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: because Billy Walters has stories upon stories and that, and 706 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: but fact checking them and running down the other people 707 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: who were part of the tale and confirming it all. 708 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,439 Speaker 1: I mean, it was like the mother of all fact 709 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: checking jobs. And you know in the story you mentioned 710 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: that on Firepay Collective that Armand wrote, he does get 711 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: into some of the methodology and but it was, Yeah, 712 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 1: it was I think the writing the book that actually 713 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: typing up the stories was the easy part. It was 714 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: all the vetting and all the investigating and and all 715 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: the fact checking that was the real challenge. And hats 716 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: off to Arman because that was, no doubt complex. But 717 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: I will say what one one of the primary reactions 718 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: that came through on social is as I was as 719 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: I I was engaging with so many different golf fans, 720 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: but people saying, you know, this makes me like Phil Moore, 721 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,919 Speaker 1: you know what a legend like as we talked about 722 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: last week, I mean, Phil's going to survive this because 723 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: he survives everything. And I think a lot of people 724 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: are like, hey, it's his money, he can do whatever 725 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: he wants. Like if I had that kind of money, 726 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,919 Speaker 1: I would I would I would bet on everything too. 727 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: And there was I think this is partially because sports 728 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: betting and gambling has become such a part of the 729 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: mainstream culture. People were just more amazed than than outrage. 730 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: You know. It was just like, wow, that's crazy. But 731 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: you know that kind of makes me like Phil, So 732 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: I'm agnostic, you know, I'm I think I'm not trying 733 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: to convince anyone of anything when it comes to Phil Nicholson, 734 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: like I are my attitude of my book, and I 735 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: think Billy Walters was the same, like I'm just gonna 736 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: tell the story. These are the facts, and people can 737 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: draw their own conclusions. And with that was interesting. I mean, 738 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I just I read that the 739 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds baseball seam they have a sports book on 740 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: the ground, you know, and Pete Rose, of course his 741 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,320 Speaker 1: banned for betting, Like the society has changed a lot, 742 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: and of course a bunch of NFL guys are getting 743 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: suspended right now for betting. You know, it's it's a 744 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: fine line when you get into the the participants of 745 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: the games. And you know one I was talking about 746 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: to Bamberger about this and he was close to Bart 747 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: Giamatti actually wrote a play about Bart Giammotty that was 748 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: produced in Philadelphia, and Giamatti was the commissioner of baseball 749 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: who banned Pete Rose. And Michael's also friendly with this guy, 750 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 1: John Dowd, I believe is his name. He was kind 751 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: of look, he was the person who did the investigation 752 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: of Pete Rose. And Michael's takeaway, if I can speak 753 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: for him, is that what these guys say is even 754 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: if you're betting on your own team, that shows a 755 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: level of desperation. And what happens is that when you're 756 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: betting that much and that really eventually the book is 757 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: going to own you. And that was the whole lesson 758 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: of the Black Sox scandal, going back to nineteen nineteen 759 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox is when you're betting on your 760 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,919 Speaker 1: own sport, you're gonna lose, and you're gonna you're gonna 761 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: eventually owe the bookie your life. On some level, and 762 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: then you can be manipulated, and then you can they 763 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: can extract information, and then they can they can nudge 764 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: you to go to the dark side. And that's really 765 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: the danger. And I thought that was inching perspective when 766 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: it comes to phil Is again, he's denied betting on 767 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,359 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup, and we'll have to take that at 768 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: face value, but that he was considering it, and that 769 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: he gambles so much. I mean, it would be very 770 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: easy for him to start dabbling and betting on golf 771 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: because there he has real proprietary information. You know, he's 772 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: he's in the locker room on Wednesday and he knows 773 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: that some guy you know wrenched his back or found 774 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,959 Speaker 1: a magic putter and made thirteen birdies in their practice round, 775 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: or you know, you can imagine that someone on the 776 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: inside what kind of information they're privy to, and that 777 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: that it was wishing perspective from Michael is That's where 778 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: it gets dangerous. Is when you start betting on your 779 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: own sport. You've gone, you've you've already broken a very 780 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: important barrier, You've sort of crossed the rubicon, and then 781 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: what how susceptible are you to to keep pushing that, 782 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: and again we don't have. 783 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 2: Any isn't that in that isn't that called insider like 784 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 2: insider trading, which ironically is ultimately what what Billy? 785 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah time, I mean, I told this story 786 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: not even that long ago on this podcast, but when 787 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: I was, you know, in two thousand and four, when 788 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: I extracted one thousand pounds from our Sports Illustrated editor 789 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: Jim Harry to go over to the Open Championship and bet, 790 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: you know, at lad Brokes on the corner stores, and 791 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: I was run around talking to every caddy, swing coach, 792 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: physio wife I could find. I was pumping them for information, 793 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: like I'm you know, it was totally unethical, but I 794 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: was having a great time, and so I I understand 795 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: that that rush. You know, you hear something about some 796 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: obscure player who'd got in a fight with his wife 797 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 1: the night before, You're like, oh, I'm gonna bet against 798 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: that guy. Like I totally went down that rabbit hole. 799 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: And I'm coming this is my confessional now twenty years later, 800 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: but you know it was when it was in the 801 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,439 Speaker 1: service of the readership I wrote about it was all 802 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: really for fun. I'm not really a gambler. That was 803 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: a one off, but I kind of picked up on 804 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: that adrenaline, like, oh god, I think Nick Price just 805 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: sprained his ankle, like I gotta go bet against him 806 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: in the in his matchup against kJ Choy, like you know, 807 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: like it's it's just funny, like how I can see 808 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: it that. I'm not talking about Phil, I'm talking about 809 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: anybody when when you when you're in a sport and 810 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: you know so much, the temptation is there, and so 811 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: that's why you need that firewall because then things can 812 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: can go off the rails very quickly. Uh. 813 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 2: Aaron Hills, Ricky Elliott practice round talking about ultimately Port Stewart, 814 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,359 Speaker 2: which we just did the story on which we'll drop 815 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 2: in our Northern Ireland piece, told me, you know his 816 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 2: guy Brooks Keepka has never hit the driver better, never 817 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 2: hit it farther, never hit it straighter. I put one 818 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 2: hundred bucks thirty five to one. I think Brooks was 819 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 2: at that time thirty five hundred bucks later. And then 820 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 2: Sergio Garcia before he won the Masters. I heard the 821 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 2: father in law gave him a big cage rattle like 822 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 2: get over yourself, like quit acting like you know the 823 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 2: game like owes you something, go out and earn it, 824 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 2: like go win, like stop being such a little bitch basically, 825 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 2: And that was the father in law. You know, it 826 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 2: comes from like a you know, kind of a football 827 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 2: family and kind of gave him, gave him that shake up. 828 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 2: I had heard that and I was like, oh wow, 829 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 2: that that might be exactly the pep talk that Sergio needed. 830 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 2: Anyone the masters and I benefited. But you know, I 831 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 2: mean that's I felt a little like, I mean, this 832 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 2: is really good info. I'll put a little couple of dollars. 833 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: On this one. 834 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,399 Speaker 2: And I know, I can't tell you how many golf 835 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,959 Speaker 2: bets I've lost when I thought I had insider info. 836 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,720 Speaker 2: But those two in particular, uh stuck with me because 837 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 2: they were big wins. 838 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's interesting. I mean a guy like Jason Sobell, 839 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: you know, he was at ESPN. Now he writes for 840 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: the Action Network, and we have we have other colleagues 841 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: who were on the beat and now they're they're writing 842 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,239 Speaker 1: for gaming sites. You know, Teddy Greenstein, he's he was 843 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: in Chicago trib like ye. You know, they're out there 844 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: talking to people. So it's I don't know where you 845 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: draw the line on this it's it's or can you 846 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: like how like how how? I don't know it's but 847 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: I think how you do it for the players is 848 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 1: you just you just say this, this is the red 849 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: line you can't cross. And so I will be curious 850 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: if if there's any formal investigation into Billy Walter's accusation, 851 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: if the PGA of America will look into it because 852 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: it's their championship. You know, Phil was a PG to 853 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,440 Speaker 1: remember then he's not now, but if if the framework 854 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: agreement gets consummated, he would have access to go back, like, 855 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: are the the powers that be just going to completely 856 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: sweep this under the rug and and just dismiss it. 857 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: Are they going to feel compelled to look into it? 858 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: And you know, it's an interesting question. We'll see. Of course, 859 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,919 Speaker 1: if it's the tour, they don't talk about these things 860 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: at all. Golf is always so hush hush, But I 861 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 1: think it's probably a wake up call for professional golfers, 862 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: like you know, you got you just you just can't 863 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: cross that line. Even even ten, eleven, twelve years later, 864 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: it might it might come out and when again Phil's 865 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: denied it, Billy says in the excerpt, like we hung 866 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: up I don't know if he plays a bet with 867 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: somebody else, So we're gonna have to take Phil's word 868 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 1: that he didn't. But to even make the call and 869 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,399 Speaker 1: even to consider it is very interesting and revealing. And 870 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,400 Speaker 1: this whether this is a point of inflect for the 871 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,440 Speaker 1: game or not, I don't know. But you know, the 872 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: PGA Tour has gotten really big into sports betting. Live 873 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: Golf just announce the relationship with sports bet. They're going 874 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: to I think it's sports bet. I I don't keep track. 875 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: There's so many of them now, but they're they're literally 876 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: just and there's so many. Yeah, there's there. Live is 877 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,719 Speaker 1: going to offer, like you know, official channel to to 878 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: bet on their rounds. So it's so pervasive. Whether the 879 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,839 Speaker 1: whether the sport wants to take a hard look at 880 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: this or not. I mean there's already language. But if 881 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: if things are going to get are going to get 882 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: taken a little more seriously, and if there's going to 883 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 1: be any fallout from this particular case remains to be seen. 884 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 2: Man, At times, we go from you know, am life, 885 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 2: you know, n I L deals to UH to to 886 00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, where we are in the state of gambling, 887 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,879 Speaker 2: uh with a little you know, father, daughter, father son 888 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 2: in the middle, you know, Little Ireland, the purity of 889 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 2: the Irish, the Irish where amateurs actually play for borderline 890 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 2: nothing by the way, to talk about all All Ireland finals. 891 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,879 Speaker 2: And you're got you got guys like Joe Canning, who 892 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 2: are the Steph Curries of their game, telling me that 893 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 2: who's a prominent figure in our Dublin piece. Joe Canning 894 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 2: fourteen years one in all Ireland, you know, won four 895 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 2: club four club championships, all Ireland's for Portumna, you know, 896 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 2: just all everybody agrees he's one of the greatest to 897 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,759 Speaker 2: ever play the game. And at the height of his 898 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 2: powers was making about forty thousand euros a year in 899 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 2: endorsement deals. If he was lucky forty thousand a year, 900 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 2: you know, and you know he would have been he 901 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 2: would have been making, you know, forty million a year 902 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,240 Speaker 2: in the US. 903 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he's like, he's he's. 904 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 2: Messy, he's Gretzky, He's Steph Curry, he's game changer. And 905 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,719 Speaker 2: and they did it for the love of each other, 906 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 2: their town, their county, and still do to this day. 907 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 2: It's changing a little bit, and I think there's more 908 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 2: money floating around things to the people like a JP McManus, 909 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 2: who you know, sort of realizes like this is kind 910 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 2: of ridiculous. Let's try to help these people out where, 911 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 2: you know, but the GAA and some of the people, 912 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 2: you know, Joe Canning tells me he's a shot from 913 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 2: the sideline as time is running out, ties up the game, 914 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 2: and in a tie game at the end of hurling, 915 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 2: and an all hurling final means they come back like 916 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 2: two weeks later and replay the game. So another eighty 917 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 2: three thousand tickets are sold, all the concessions, all the merchant, 918 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 2: all that stuff. It happens all over again. 919 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,720 Speaker 1: How much does Joe. 920 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 2: Cannon get to that, you know, zero amazing And the 921 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 2: difference between that and the PGA Tour players and all 922 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 2: that's happening in professional golf versus the purity of you know, 923 00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 2: the GAA sporting life in Ireland. You couldn't couldn't get uh, 924 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,080 Speaker 2: you know, further ends of the spectrum. So it's just fascinating. 925 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,919 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, in summary, I think if people 926 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: are fans of fire pay collective, it's because we sort 927 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,800 Speaker 1: of were eclectic and we follow things we're passionate about, 928 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,439 Speaker 1: and we're never going to be like a golf dot 929 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 1: com or Golf Digest dot com, and we try and 930 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 1: cover everything. It's just there's enough of that out there already. 931 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,359 Speaker 1: You know, we don't want to write five hundred word 932 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 1: stories about Rory McElroy's new putter. You know, we'll let 933 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: that other people do that, but we kind of immerseer 934 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: o Lucas Glover. 935 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 2: Lucas Glover's new putter is a pretty hot topic. Yeah, 936 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 2: that is interesting if you want to hear more on that. 937 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Lucas poor some out. I mean, Lucas 938 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,799 Speaker 1: is what a run he's been on. But you know, 939 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: we're we just kind of follow our hearts and so 940 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: like I'm on this little run of amateur events. It's 941 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 1: been fun and I'll be writing every day about the 942 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: US amateur People can check that out on our website 943 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: and your Island. Content's coming, you know, it's now two 944 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: months from the book release of my live book. There 945 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: will be a content bonanza around that. We've got various 946 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 1: other projects in the works, so it's nice to surprise 947 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: the listeners and the readers. I think maybe they don't 948 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: necessarily know what's coming next to me. That's a good thing. 949 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,880 Speaker 1: Like I think, you always want to surprise and delight 950 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: the people who are falling along, So I can't wait 951 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: to watch all these these videos unspool. Matt. I know 952 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna be busy on the editing and the back 953 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: end of all this, so it'll be it'll be great fun. 954 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,400 Speaker 1: We will of course put that on all our channels 955 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: and let everyone know what to look for and when. 956 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: But I think this is a fun chat, so thanks 957 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,400 Speaker 1: for taking the time. Any party shots before we release 958 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: the listeners. 959 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 2: No, good to be back, Good to be home. I 960 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 2: love being away, but it's always good to be home. 961 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 2: Good to be back in Oceanside. I've missed my goat 962 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 2: Hill Park community. We got a monthly medal on Saturday. 963 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 2: I'm hoping my links golf experiences and the shots that 964 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,320 Speaker 2: I was hitting over there translates into something fun come Saturday. 965 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,799 Speaker 2: But you know what, you know, the curse of having 966 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,279 Speaker 2: any expectations going indie golf round is the death of 967 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 2: all good scores. So yeah, but good to be back here, 968 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 2: Good to be back on with you and uh and 969 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,719 Speaker 2: can't wait for what's next because it's a lot and. 970 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always something coming all right. Well, this was 971 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: another fire Drill podcast. I am Alan Schipnak. That was 972 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: Matt Janelle. We appreciate you for listening. Thanks to Link 973 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: Soul and Dormy for sponsoring us and helping us keep 974 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,439 Speaker 1: doing what we're doing. And we back at it again soon. 975 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:37,000 Speaker 1: So that's the end. Thanks. I'm bed big again. 976 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,279 Speaker 3: I played the wind, made a fortune when my ship 977 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 3: came and I ran the table and never thought I 978 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 3: could fall. Then the wind and hit me. Lack of 979 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 3: canon the ball, and now I can't shake this, lose. 980 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: In the stream. 981 00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,440 Speaker 3: Every road I take is a dead end street. I 982 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 3: got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, trying 983 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,120 Speaker 3: not to think what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts 984 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:10,879 Speaker 3: in my head. 985 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: I can't get 986 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,360 Speaker 3: Them out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about.