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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're all thrilled to have

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Speaker 1: a little more Davis Mills in our life. I'm Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal and I'm here on the week twelve preview show

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Speaker 1: with Patrick Claybonn and Jordan rod Reeg. And it's a

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Speaker 1: little different because we haven't previewed TNF yet and so

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Speaker 1: that's where we get to see mister Hills.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I get to be here to talk about

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Speaker 2: T and L.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I just realized that we didn't want to mess

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Speaker 1: with we you know, we're we always miss you. On

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Speaker 1: QB Island Day, it's going to be a revenge game

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Speaker 1: for some of the quarterbacks that didn't make it. Spoiler alert,

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff kicked off for the very first time. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about it. He was on from day

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Speaker 1: one till till now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Jalen Carter himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, leasing his property there to Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: It's like, just if you just gave us like a

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Speaker 1: little more in the in the seven different reality shows

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Speaker 1: that you've been in your life, maybe.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you would have stayed.

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Speaker 2: That's a rough one for Jared and I know why.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking shots, I don't know either are you feeling

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Speaker 3: are you well?

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Speaker 4: I'm so well feeling good.

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Speaker 2: Greg's doing great, and you know who else is doing great?

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Speaker 5: People who get a chance to watch Thursday night football,

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Speaker 5: as I get a chance to talk about Thursday football

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Speaker 5: on this program for the first time this season. The

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Speaker 5: Buffalo Bills are six point favorites on the road at.

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Speaker 2: Houston taking on Davis Mills, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 5: And the Houston Texans, and you know they're great defense

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Speaker 5: in great defense is still something that's important. So it's

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Speaker 5: like vegetables, which al Michaels does not eat. Heat and

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Speaker 5: Kirk Rbstreet are on the call. How do you see

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Speaker 5: Davis Mills pulling this off again?

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Speaker 2: Greg?

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Speaker 1: That is such a strange thing, how al Michaels doesn't

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Speaker 1: eat vegetables and he's still going so strong. I have

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Speaker 1: a friend who's actually was like a pretty frequent caddy

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Speaker 1: of al Michaels up at Riviera. I'm not allowed to.

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Speaker 4: Tell the story. Little thiees, little.

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Speaker 3: Teas there, Arizona State Sun Devil.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Davis Mills. Where did he go to college?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's been in the NFL the

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Speaker 1: whole time. With Nico Collins, and maybe that is partly

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Speaker 1: why they're their connection is so great. Last week, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't even him spamming Nico Collins. It was very efficient

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Speaker 1: every throw he had to Nico Collins, and it's been

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Speaker 1: great to see him going down the field. Davis Mills like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make him into more than he's not,

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Speaker 1: but he's what you want out of a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It was just someone that just goes for it. And

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Speaker 1: he has had four or five, six, seven, like really

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Speaker 1: impressive throws each week along with the ones where he

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Speaker 1: looks like a backup. In those two games, they've been

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Speaker 1: a normal offense. It's all we've asked for from the

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Speaker 1: Texans this season. Fourteenth in epapri play throwing the ball,

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Speaker 1: twenty first running the ball. And this would be a game, Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you would anticipate they need to run the ball since

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Speaker 1: the Bills are maybe the number one run funnel in

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Speaker 1: the entire NFL. Still still that's a fantasy football term. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're still one of the best pass defenses

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Speaker 1: in the league and thirtieth right now in the run

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Speaker 4: To the DVOA.

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Speaker 3: Yes, to your point on Davis Mills yes, he does

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Speaker 3: move the ball once per half, seems like, and that's

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Speaker 3: important because he does it in the time that it matters.

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Speaker 3: They move the ball in their opening script last week

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Speaker 3: and also at the end when they needed to set

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Speaker 3: up a game winning field goal. These are part of

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Speaker 3: this is part of why his throws to Nico Collins

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Speaker 3: look so efficient is because they're happening in the most

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Speaker 3: important moments of the game, either when they need to

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Speaker 3: stay get ahead and stay ahead. They didn't last week

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Speaker 3: because they missed the they missed they turned it over

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Speaker 3: a plus plan to set up Davis Mills for more

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Speaker 3: make up for all the other stuff they didn't do

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the game. This Texans defense, though,

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Speaker 3: it's had to be. And against Josh Allen and where

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Speaker 3: Khalil Shakier even has missed pract just with a personal

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Speaker 3: I'm this is a you can't be missing this many

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Speaker 1: And just to close that circle there, we do have

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Speaker 1: the injury report and I believe.

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Speaker 3: It's about a mile long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that Shakir at this point, like we don't know,

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Speaker 1: they haven't given a status, but he didn't practice for

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Speaker 4: For personal reasons. It's usually a sign you're not going

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, tracking the Coleman situation over the

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Speaker 5: then this is a week that where they need him

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Speaker 5: for all the celebration for the Tyrrell Shaver's experience last week,

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Speaker 5: it truly was like to go back and look at

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Speaker 5: to make it can't And I say this every single

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Speaker 5: week and I'm wrong every single week. It can't all

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Speaker 5: be Josh. Clearly, it can all be Josh.

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Speaker 2: He can do it.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna run for seventy five yards in the second

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Speaker 5: half by himself to win this game. But where earlier

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Speaker 5: in the season, the Houston Texans were given a CJ.

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Speaker 5: Stroud average time to throw around two point seven seconds.

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Speaker 2: It got rough.

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Speaker 5: It got better towards the end when Stroud got hurt

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Speaker 5: because he actually got hurt scrambling. But they've been better

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Speaker 5: for Davis Mills. If they can keep up that level

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Speaker 5: this team, just based on the defense, can scare people,

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Speaker 1: Weirdly, the status of at Ingram is like one of

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Speaker 1: Titus Howard over at right tackle, and the people, like

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Speaker 4: Titus how I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go that far, but suddenly

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Speaker 1: you got guys in their natural positions. If he can

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Speaker 1: be back, I was wrong about Shakir. He is not

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Speaker 1: Like when they needed a fourth down to help win

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Speaker 1: that game, it was Gabe Davis. When Josh was looking

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Speaker 1: I do wonder though this matchup. It's a great Thursday

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Speaker 1: night game to me because Bill's offense versus Texan defense

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Speaker 1: And last year, if you forgot and I sort of did.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen freaked out against the Techno that game.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up, not because I

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Speaker 3: hope that it happens, but because this Houston defense is

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Speaker 3: first of all, they're gonna have to score to win

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Speaker 3: this game. This defense has been close on a couple

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Speaker 3: where the Texans have even been in games this season,

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Speaker 3: and they simply put, I know, Greg how much you

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Speaker 3: love Davis Mills, but they are going to have to

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Speaker 3: score this defense, and they will be looking to score

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Speaker 3: because they already understand the way to play Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: and to try to get them to press too hard

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Speaker 3: try to capitalize on that. I don't think that they're

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Speaker 3: going to play them tight, and I think they're going

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Speaker 3: to try to jump all of these passes if they

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Speaker 3: to force turnovers when they run the ball.

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Speaker 4: Just be normal, Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: The end of that game, they had a couple of

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Speaker 1: normal drivers, which was nice to see. One last note

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Speaker 1: is Jalen Peatree is expected to return for this game,

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Speaker 1: pssibly the best slot player in the league.

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Speaker 5: One of the biggest parts of Josh's game is rolling

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Speaker 5: to his right and waiting for seven years before fire

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Speaker 2: We're on our way. Kansas City coming.

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Speaker 5: Off of all loss, off of the bye, playing host

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Speaker 5: fifty and a half. It is CBS who Jim Nants

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Speaker 5: and Tony Romo on the call. Can we envision a

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Speaker 5: circumstance where the Kansas City Chief Jordan are below five

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Speaker 3: This this game has kind of not so sneaky huge

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Speaker 3: answer the question Jordan, can you imagine it? Well, yes

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Speaker 3: I can. I nodded at you right. This is a

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Speaker 3: this is an audio medium. Should have spoken, should have

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Speaker 3: spoken aloud? Yes, yeah, I can. Actually, because this team

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Speaker 3: is off, this offense is off. This defense lacked its

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Speaker 3: see them struggling as much, you know, because it's it's

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Speaker 3: going to be angry Patrick Mahomes, it's going to be

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid, it's gonna be everybody trying to write the

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Speaker 3: playoff implications. This is a huge game in Indianapolis coming

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Speaker 3: off the bye. You know, this game could could really

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Speaker 3: help decide what happens to Kansas City later in the year.

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Speaker 1: Right they are running out of room, first of all,

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, especially to hit their over underwin total.

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Speaker 1: I know I was thinking about the you know, the

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Speaker 1: preseason and you think about expectations. The Colts were the

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Speaker 1: first team in the NFL this year to hit their over.

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Speaker 1: Because if that's the case, you know, that's how bo

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Speaker 1: it was a game, my friend Patrick, where there was

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Speaker 2: Wow, let's let's.

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Speaker 5: We'll take it back positive because we've talked about pre

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Speaker 1: That's that's not well, I said the two He got

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Speaker 5: Good old Priest homes nine Or is it JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 2: It is Joe Davis and g Reg on the call. Greg, we.

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Speaker 5: Saw a rough game from JJ McCarthy. He's a young quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And it's a little early for that for sure.

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Speaker 1: Like to me, if the Packers defense can be that

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Speaker 1: It's just weird though, in week eleven to be talking

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is weird.

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Speaker 3: And you just know that Jeff Haffley and this Packers'

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Speaker 2: To just have maybe a little just maybe more of the.

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Speaker 5: Passing game becomes horizontal instead of vertical. I think Aaron

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was hoping maybe Jayden Reid could come

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Speaker 5: This is going to be the first week of Dobbs Watson, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Good luck against the Vikings theme.

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Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs is hurt. They're trying to get him ready

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Packers' schedule to yes, you know, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: Now now I'm forgetting Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: that the Vikings.

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Speaker 4: Would be the easiest.

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Speaker 1: But they have the Vikings twice, they have an at Denver,

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Speaker 1: they have a Ravens.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 1: There are not easy games left, so you kind of

445
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Speaker 1: can't stumble at home against a division opponent that's hurting

446
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's take a quick break. We're gonna

447
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Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna talk about the leader of the

448
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Speaker 1: NFT North. They'll getting used to that. The Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 4: Back on NFL daily. It's all happening.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is the last normal week of

451
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Speaker 1: the year. My parents are coming in town, like on Monday,

452
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Speaker 1: and suddenly Thanksgivings here. Our schedules jam next week, but

453
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Speaker 1: you know it's front loaded, so.

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Speaker 4: We'll have a little different cadence.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it then in terms of when we're

456
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Speaker 1: releasing our shows, and then by the time they're gone,

457
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Speaker 1: we're just a couple of weeks still. Rosenthal Christmas the

458
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Speaker 1: day that we celebrate Christmas before my family leaves me

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Speaker 1: for Japan in actual.

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Speaker 3: Christmas, and then we all rally around Greg is emotional support.

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Speaker 2: Hang on to Greg.

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Speaker 4: You know what? You know what? Cheers of me up?

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Speaker 1: What's that watching Mason Rudolph play football? No, that's not true,

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Speaker 1: although it reminds me. I do remember one of one

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Speaker 1: of the Christmas seasons watching a Mason Rudolph game while

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Speaker 1: they while they were gone, because he was on that

467
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Speaker 1: Saturday slate on the way.

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Speaker 4: To the playoffs for the Steelers that year.

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Speaker 5: But Aaron Rodgers wrist has looked at that opportunity. No, Greg,

470
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Speaker 5: you will not get Mason Rudolph. You're in mid November.

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Speaker 2: You will get me.

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Speaker 5: As Aaron Rodgers is back in a place where he

473
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Speaker 5: once claimed to be the owner. Against the Chicago Bears.

474
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Speaker 5: Two and a half point favorite Chicago Bears against Aaron

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Speaker 5: Rodgers and the Steelers. The over under is forty five

476
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Speaker 5: and a half. It's Iron Eagle and JJ Watt on

477
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Speaker 5: the call, as Jordan, we've seen the Bears continue to win.

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Speaker 2: It's been fun.

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Speaker 3: Wait, that's just a weird sentence, both in conjunction like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, it just threw.

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Speaker 5: It's the Bears, the subjects of fine don't always agree.

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Speaker 2: What do they do it again? Pittsburgh Steelers.

484
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Speaker 5: I think Aaron Rodgers and get private nge for the

485
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Speaker 5: entire city of Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I think so, and and and Patrick, there

487
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Speaker 3: was nothing wrong with what you said, by the way,

488
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Speaker 3: it's just that I'm not used to hearing the combination

489
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Speaker 3: of fun and Bears and leading the NFC North and

490
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Speaker 3: and by the way, what if I told you that

491
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Speaker 3: the Chicago Bears currently lead the NFL and explosive play

492
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Speaker 3: ring according to Next Gen Stats, and their second year

493
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Speaker 3: quarterback Caleb Williams, who was taking sacks at almost the

494
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Speaker 3: worst rate in the NFL among quarterbacks last season, has

495
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Speaker 3: flipped that completely on its head. So against a Pittsburgh's

496
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Speaker 3: pass rush and a secondary that has been playing better

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Speaker 3: in recent weeks when they are not getting spat on

498
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Speaker 3: by people, this is actually I think this shapes up

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Speaker 3: really well for Chicago to play explosive football against the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know what to think still about this

503
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Speaker 1: Bears team.

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Speaker 4: I want I want to see more.

505
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Speaker 3: Like hypothermia, just eas in, lean in and there is something.

506
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Speaker 1: And they've been winning these games late, sometimes not against

507
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Speaker 1: great teams. I was shocked when I saw this week

508
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Speaker 1: they are twenty fifth right now in overall DVOA, which

509
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Speaker 1: is my favorite just overall efficiency metric. I'm like, wow,

510
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Speaker 1: twenty fifth, That is surprising. Part of it is they

511
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Speaker 1: face the second easiest schedule in the NFL to this point,

512
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Speaker 1: they will face the sixth hardest moving forward. This is

513
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Speaker 1: actually one of their easier games on paper moving forward,

514
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Speaker 1: and I agree, like my instinct would say that they

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Speaker 1: have more going on. We don't know for sure Patrick,

516
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Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers is going to play, but he did

517
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Speaker 1: say after not practicing Wednesday that you know he hopes

518
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Speaker 1: to resume on Thursday, and that you know, safety, ability

519
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Speaker 1: to protect himself will be you know, the main concern.

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Speaker 1: But it's sounding a little more optimistic. I ask you this,

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Speaker 1: who do you think gives the dealers a better to

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Speaker 1: win Mason Rudolf for Aaron rodd.

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Speaker 5: I think, honestly, I don't think if Mike Tomlin believed

524
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Speaker 5: at this point that you know, Mason Rudolph gave them

525
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Speaker 5: the best chair.

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Speaker 4: Not asking who Mike Tomlin believed the maskot of Patrick, I.

527
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Speaker 5: Will say Mike Tomlin is ahead of me in terms

528
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Speaker 5: of football knowledge. You're asking me to choose between Aaron

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Speaker 5: Rodgers and Mason Rudolph, So you know I'm I'm not

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Speaker 5: being unbiased here because a couple of size of a

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Speaker 5: similar coin on that one.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm gonna go with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Different, different in interesting ways. I wonder what that quarterback

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Speaker 1: I think, so, but I.

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Speaker 3: See thy similar.

536
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Speaker 2: I see like.

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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph getting a lot of a lot of he

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Speaker 1: gets a lot of love from from the God Squad.

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Speaker 1: I would say that supports certain quarterbacks, whereas you know,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers kind of a heathen. So they are different

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Speaker 1: in in interesting ways. Let's move off that and let's

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Speaker 1: listen to Mike Tomlin being asked about Jalen Ramsey. Uh

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Speaker 1: and uh, everything that happened with Jamar Chase last week.

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Speaker 4: I have no message. Is someone spits in your face?

545
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Speaker 2: Do what comes natural?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Love that?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I love that? You know who also is loves

549
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Speaker 3: that and is gonna you know already was playing hard?

550
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Speaker 3: Is going to fight and die for Mike Tomlin. Is

551
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Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey? Because Jayalen Ramsey always had this thing that

552
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Speaker 3: he would say to Raheem Morris, close friend of Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: They've probably been on the phone a lot trying to

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Speaker 3: figure out, you know, how to get the most out

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Speaker 3: of out of this guys. In his veteran years, he

556
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Speaker 3: always would say I'm with you when you're right, and

557
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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin is demonstrating that there because Jalen Ramsey is

558
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Speaker 3: correct in this situation. Uh, it's just crazy. We saw

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Speaker 3: a first spinner early in the season. Now we've seen

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Speaker 3: a second spinner. You know, everyone just cape it contained.

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Speaker 5: The second spinner was Jamar Chase in this instance where

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Speaker 5: it's almost a sign of positivity for Ramsey that he's

563
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Speaker 5: in that spot where reminding me of the AJ Green

564
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Speaker 5: Jalen Ramsey matchups or the you know, all these other

565
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Speaker 5: matchups where things are getting itchy, the offense isn't having

566
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Speaker 5: the success that they would like to have against the

567
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Speaker 5: Jalen Ramsey secondary and yeah, guys are getting frustrated. So

568
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Speaker 5: like that's a positive sign. My concern would be against

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Speaker 5: this Bears offense, where Jordan already pointed out the explosives.

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Speaker 5: The Steelers have struggled with some tight ends, and I

571
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Speaker 5: know one of those was Tucker Craft having like the

572
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Speaker 5: Tucker Craft game, which kind of may makes the stats

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Speaker 5: a little sideways here as of late, but I think

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Speaker 5: considering he was heard at the start of the season,

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Speaker 5: it's been a huge boost for this offense.

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Speaker 2: The way that Colston lovel has been playing on Yeah,

577
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Speaker 2: big part of this game.

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Speaker 4: He's looked good.

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Speaker 1: And you know, on the other side, I mean, part

580
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Speaker 1: of the reason I'm not sure about the Bears is

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Speaker 1: their defense.

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Speaker 4: That's the main Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And they did get Kyler Gordon at practice back this week,

584
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Speaker 1: and they got Jalen Johnson back at practice last week.

585
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Speaker 1: We don't know if either one of them will be activated,

586
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Speaker 1: but that could really help out a team that is

587
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Speaker 1: blitzing like crazy and still getting no pressure. And that's

588
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Speaker 1: why I asked the Mason Rudolph question, because I just

589
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Speaker 1: don't know, Like I do think he could unlock DK

590
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Speaker 1: Metcalf maybe a little more. Put it this way, I

591
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Speaker 1: of the saddest sentences of run. I would say, you know,

592
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Speaker 1: you put Mason Rudolph in. We know who he is.

593
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Speaker 1: He's a backup for a reason. Aaron Rodgers is one

594
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Speaker 1: of the two or three worst starting quarterbacks to me

595
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Speaker 1: in the NFL right now, So it wouldn't like shock

596
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Speaker 1: me if he played that he would help out. And

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Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers would be aware of that too.

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Speaker 3: Well there and they're not getting they're not just not

599
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Speaker 3: getting pressure despite blitzing like crazy. They're also not getting

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Speaker 3: any quick pressure, so even sending a brushing attack that

601
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: is designed to try to get quick pressure on the quarterback,

602
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Speaker 3: they are taking forever when they actually do get pressure

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Speaker 3: to hassle a quarterback. So I would think that if

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Speaker 3: you're gonna play Mason Rudolph, who has I mean pretty

605
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Speaker 3: much everybody has a longer wind up than Aaron Rodgers

606
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Speaker 3: does at this point. But if you're gonna put a

607
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Speaker 3: quarterback in who is definitely a backup and will have

608
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Speaker 3: a longer time to throw naturally than Aaron Rodgers, then yeah,

609
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Speaker 3: I mean, why not. It's kind of a safer sity.

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Speaker 1: Patrick is laughing at my amazing what it's worthy. We

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Speaker 1: do have a one to one comparison where they basically

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Speaker 1: they looked similar. I mean, Rogers looked worse, but they

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Speaker 1: looked similar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the vaunted Bengals defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, neither one of them looked that good. Uh,

616
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Speaker 1: to be honest. If the Bears don't win this game, though,

617
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Speaker 1: it is crazy how the NFL like things can change fast.

618
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Speaker 1: We're talking about how they're in first place, like this

619
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Speaker 1: is a big game for them. Win this at home,

620
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Speaker 1: because if not, you're at Philly at Green Bay the

621
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Speaker 1: next two weeks. Those that's a possible three game losing

622
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Speaker 1: streak right looking you in the face.

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Speaker 4: But I think this is a very winnable game.

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Speaker 5: Who a team did not win this past week in

625
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Speaker 5: fact look rough, But they are back at home where

626
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 5: Jared Golf famously an indoorcap. The Detroit Lions ten and

627
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Speaker 5: a half point favorites against Mike Kofka's.

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Speaker 2: New York Giants.

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Speaker 5: Mike Kopcas saying, when on the day that we're having

630
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Speaker 5: this conversation that Jackson Dart is progressing through the protocol,

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Speaker 5: you had a non contact practice on Wednesday, Greg, I

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Speaker 5: know we enjoyed, uh the Jamis experience of it all

633
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Speaker 5: maybe limited to one.

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Speaker 2: Week, getting Yeah and Dart back against the Lions.

635
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Speaker 1: I think that's good. I think that's good for Giants fans.

636
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: It's good for NFL fans if we get Jamis one

637
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Speaker 1: more time. But that was like a perfect Jamis game,

638
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 1: had a little bit of everything. That's fine that the

639
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: lines are the more interesting part of this game, and

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Speaker 1: I would expect them to win. Ten and a half

641
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Speaker 1: points is a lot, by the way, I'm I'm sure

642
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: if I totally trust them there their interior offensive line,

643
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Speaker 1: which we came into the seasons and being like, oh,

644
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Speaker 1: is this going to be the thing that gets in

645
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Speaker 1: the way. It really is starting to hit home that, yeah,

646
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Speaker 1: this thing is the thing that might really get in

647
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Speaker 1: the way because you know, Tate Rattledge is their starter,

648
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Speaker 1: he's the guy they drafted. He was the one getting

649
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: really thrown around last week. Glasgow, who's the center, has

650
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: not been great in figuring out the protections. Like this

651
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: is a game when they have the ball on offense

652
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Speaker 1: where the at least passing the ball, the Giants have

653
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Speaker 1: the right people to give them problems. I thought Dexter

654
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Speaker 1: Lawrence is coming off maybe his best game of the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because he looked very

656
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: vintage Dexter Lawrence. And against this Lion's interior offensive line,

657
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Speaker 3: particularly on pass sets, this is this could be a

658
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: huge mismatch. And we know that Jared Goff would struggle

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Speaker 3: when facing specifically that type of pressure up the middle

660
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Speaker 3: or even up the inside edges of his pocket. So

661
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Speaker 3: for me, this Lions team has to get back to

662
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: doing what we know they can do. It's just running

663
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: the ball. The Giants cannot defend the run. To save

664
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Speaker 3: their lives. They cannot defend the run. If you get

665
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Speaker 3: into the second level of this defense at all, you're gone.

666
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Speaker 3: And I just think that that's where some of the

667
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Speaker 3: speed that they have, some of the yards after catchability

668
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: that they have. You don't have to make it glamorous,

669
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Speaker 3: you don't have to make it sexy. Just short, quick

670
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: yack passes and run the ball. That's all you have

671
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Speaker 3: to do. If you're Dan Campbell, you're gonna love your

672
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: put your little glasses on. You're gonna love holding that

673
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: play sheet, pulling.

674
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Speaker 5: Down a little bit and again like his faces are

675
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: going to be all beaten by the wind and red.

676
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 5: And it's angry because Jalen Carter is ruining their entire

677
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Speaker 5: evening in Philadelphia, and they get a better matchup because

678
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Speaker 5: I know Brian Burns has had his career high in sacks,

679
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 5: but Piney Sewell is letting pressure get to the quarterback

680
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 5: on just five percent of his past sets this season,

681
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Speaker 5: and Jared Golf only completed one pass when he was

682
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: pressured last week. It was a woeful golf performance. That

683
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 5: one pass was actually the touchdown to Jamison Williams and

684
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: like there were so many, like the look from the

685
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Speaker 5: backside on the one that was on fourth down to

686
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Speaker 5: Jamo where he throws like a split finger fastball that

687
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 5: hits Williams and the knee. Just I know that that

688
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 5: was an anomaly. Jared will be back to complete and passes.

689
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: This just a question for Dexter Lawrence, like can you

690
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Speaker 5: simulate a little bit of what the Eagles were able

691
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Speaker 5: to do on the interior, because I know they're great

692
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Speaker 5: on the edge, but that's that's not where you want

693
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Speaker 5: to attack the lions of golf.

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Speaker 1: I'm still not that worried at least like big picture

695
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: like going to win a Super Bowl is gonna be tough.

696
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: I think beat playing indoors, playing at home is going

697
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: to be big for them, So they really have a

698
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: small margin for Air to win the division. They are

699
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: not outdoors again, by the way, until Week eighteen at Chicago,

700
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Speaker 1: so that's favorable for them. They're at home here for

701
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: three straight games. I do think Sam Laporta's absence it

702
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: just changes who they are a little bit. James and

703
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: Williams is playing fantastic, but ever since aman Ra made

704
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: that prompt, remember he dropped the ball against Chiefs and

705
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: he was like, that's never going to happen again. I

706
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: think about that every time that happens again. It keeps happening.

707
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: It's happened in big spots. Not that I mean, I'm

708
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: not he's low on their list of concerns, but yeah,

709
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Speaker 1: just don't throw that out into the world.

710
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Speaker 3: And on the other side too, you mentioned Brian Birds.

711
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: There's also been some a little drama locally with Abdul Carter,

712
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Speaker 3: who's had I would say, probably a disappointing start to

713
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Speaker 3: his NFL career. My athletic callg Dan Duggan reported he

714
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Speaker 3: slept through a walkthrough and Abdul Carter says that he

715
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: missed it because he was getting treatment. Sleep is recovery,

716
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: so who knows, right, But and then he said that

717
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: Mike Kafka also changed the time and that they were

718
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: in communication about it, but he still did not play

719
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: for there was still a disciplinary action taken, so but

720
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Speaker 3: Abdul Carter obviously took you know, he was very open

721
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: and took ownership for all of that, regardless of the circumstances.

722
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: But it's just, you know, you really wish we had

723
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: so much high expectations coming into the season about the

724
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: collective of this defensive line, including not expecting Dexter Lawrence

725
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: to kind of have some of the ebbs and flows

726
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: that he seems to have had and coming off a

727
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 3: great game and the combination of Carter and Burns. It

728
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: was so exciting and it just has not come to

729
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: life a lot of it. They're playing from behind, they're

730
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: not really able to rush the passer, I think as

731
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: much as they would like, but I would really just

732
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: like to see what the future or the plan might

733
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Speaker 3: be for this group. And Shane Bonen's coaching for his job,

734
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,959
Speaker 3: so you got to put it together now.

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Speaker 5: I'm good Tarn on the offensive side, because so much

736
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Speaker 5: of the Dart success was in the RPO and the

737
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Speaker 5: straight up quarterback run game. In fact that I'm pretty

738
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 5: sure you got hurt on a play where the tackle

739
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 5: and the guard pull and they're coming around. They're running

740
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Speaker 5: the ball successfully, but he didn't protect the football or

741
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Speaker 5: himself on that play. And considering how much of the

742
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Speaker 5: day ball of it all it was where you have

743
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: a quarterback and a coach, where the coach would like

744
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 5: to maintain his job and his employment, and most of

745
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: it was based on having office success with the quarterback

746
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: were now. I don't know if Mike Kafka is going

747
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 5: to be utilizing Jackson Dart.

748
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: No, I bet ownership has told them, and I think

749
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: they've kind of talked about it publicly too.

750
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 4: Well, it's been like.

751
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: Leaked out there, like subtly not so subtly about like, oh,

752
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: we're showing him plays where he can be safe for now.

753
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: Like the timing of it is sending a strong message

754
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Speaker 3: to Mike cock.

755
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 5: So like what does rookie Jackson Dart look like when

756
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 5: he's when he's not running the ball, because you take

757
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 5: those plays away.

758
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Speaker 1: It was it was a rough situation, especially against a

759
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: good lines defense. That's why I still think my Lions

760
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl pick has a shot. It's a balanced team, which,

761
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: by the way, for fantasy people out there might know,

762
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: it's the highest percentage ever of Jamir Gibbs snaps last Yeah,

763
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: so that coach Dan Campbell pressing the Gibbs button a

764
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: little more. Sorry Montgomery, one goes up.

765
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: And you know the other goes down.

766
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 5: Also a similar situation because he ran more routes than

767
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 5: I'm mon raw, so not as much chance to drop

768
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 5: those passes to the A team the Lions distrominated earlier

769
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Speaker 5: this season. The Baltimore Ravens are thirteen and a half

770
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Speaker 5: point favorite boy against the Jets, and AG has made

771
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: the quarterback switch. It's to Rod Taylor starting Andrew Catalan,

772
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 5: Charles Davis, Jason mccordy are there on the call, Jordan,

773
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Speaker 5: what would you.

774
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: Like to say about the twenty twenty five Jets?

775
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 3: Well to Rod Taylor?

776
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: Time?

777
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: Also, what could go wrong? What is it? Thirteen and

778
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: a half point favorite? Patrick? How is that? Can you fail?

779
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: Right now?

780
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 5: I feel probably better than justin fields here in this Ah.

781
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: Say it that on Monday.

782
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Speaker 6: Talk to both of those guys. Talk to the team

783
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Speaker 6: on Monday.

784
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: So tyrowe will be all starter. Because I wanted to.

785
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Speaker 4: Thank you, Aaron.

786
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Speaker 1: I have enjoyed our weekly segment. Aaron Glenn gets weird

787
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: when asked.

788
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: The quarter.

789
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: See so weird about it because he wants to be

790
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Wow, I don't know if I can do

791
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: this now. They don't quite qualify, you know how. I

792
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: have many different rules when it comes to spread picks

793
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: and kicks and whatnot, and they're all breakable. One of

794
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: them would is just like, is this a team that's

795
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: worth being favored by this many points in an NFL game,

796
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: and it's hard to believe the Ravens are consideration for

797
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: that rule. But the way they've played, if you just

798
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: took off the uniforms, like, they don't seem worthy of

799
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: a team that should be favored by that much. They

800
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: just offensively aren't cohesive consistently. You would think that the

801
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: Jets would be able to turn that around. But I

802
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: thought it was notable that like Lamar held the ball

803
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: on the first play last week, it was almost like, Okay,

804
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna start doing this again. It was

805
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: an RPO and then Schwestinger was just like right there,

806
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: stopped it for nothing. And then later in that first drive,

807
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Lamar took off and scrambled, and it was an effective scramble.

808
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: It got down to the three or four yard line,

809
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: and it was partly because just Swestinger made an incredible

810
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: play on it and stopped it. If you're watching us

811
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: on YouTube, sometimes that the gods of YouTube just sync

812
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: up and the play is playing while I say it.

813
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: Swessinger made an incredible tackle to stop and I'm just like, ah,

814
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: it's just like not quite happening, and then he barely

815
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: ran the rest of the game, And I do think

816
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: they're a little bit of a different offense without Lamar's running,

817
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: and he's definitely having the worst season as a runner

818
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: that he's over.

819
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: He's not healthy. I mean, it's pretty clear even if

820
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: they kind of hem and hawed away or whatever, like

821
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: he's he's missing. He missed another Wednesday practice according to

822
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: local reports there. Obviously we're recording during that time, so

823
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what the update on that is from John.

824
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 4: Hart get it last week too, so I guess that's

825
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 4: becoming a weekly thing.

826
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's not feeling fully healthy, and so that's

827
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: where I think this becomes dangerous because if teams now

828
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 3: this is the Jets. So but overall, if teams start

829
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 3: to key on the fact that they're less have less

830
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: dimension to their offense and a huge element of danger

831
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: is taken away from it, it makes them easier to

832
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: plan for. And I think for the Jets, they could

833
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: they could use a game like that. I thought their

834
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: defense looked better. I mean, they went through some huge

835
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: significant changes losing personnel, but they're getting Will McDonald back.

836
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: He's leaving the team in pressure right now and I

837
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: thought they've looked I thought that they have looked better

838
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: now the offense, who knows, But I think the defense

839
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: is starting to figure itself out sometimes by necessity.

840
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 4: Through out to help. I think, yeah, it'll calm down

841
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 4: things a little bit.

842
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 5: And you know, he trusts his eyes a little bit

843
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 5: more than Fields is right now at this point in

844
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 5: the season. And you know, I'm confident in Raven's edge

845
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 5: rusher Kyle Hamilton being in here.

846
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: To provide a little bit of opposition for the defense.

847
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 5: But over on the offensive side, obviously, you know you're

848
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: concerned about Lamar and his health, but I think you

849
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 5: could take a version of twenty eighteen Lamar out of

850
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 5: a lab and he would still struggle to scramble with

851
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 5: what's going on in front of him on the offensive line,

852
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 5: where not only the multiple times was Miles Garrett lost

853
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 5: last week in the protections, but it seems like every

854
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 5: single week where there's a stunt and Rose and Garden

855
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 5: and Falele are having all sorts of miscommunication about where

856
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 5: they're going and how they're going to pick it up.

857
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 5: There was actually one of those that led to the interception, which,

858
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: like so many Lamar interceptions, like a Rube Goldberg sequence

859
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 5: of events that leads up. You know, Baalk goes creating

860
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 5: off a helmet from a crossing the guard's face on

861
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 5: a stunt that ultimately Sweestioninger picks off. And then there

862
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 5: was the Keaton Mitchell one where Kean Mitchell just serves

863
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: it up on the on the volleyball play for a

864
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 5: pick six, where it at this point, you can't say

865
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 5: if they figure it out up front because we're in

866
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 5: week twelve, Like it's it's not going to get figured out.

867
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 5: And that's what mar Ball is saying, like it's not

868
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 5: in Lamar's best interest to practice today, Like that's that's

869
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 5: why Lamar is not practicing, because there's a lot of

870
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 5: them not because these guys need to practice at this point.

871
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 4: And some of them even aren't.

872
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: Like Ronnie Stanley struggled and they get granted, he's going

873
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: against my Milescarre, but I don't think it's been a.

874
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: Great Ronnie Stanley year in general.

875
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 2: To your point, things are worse than the other side.

876
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Yes, Uh, here's some other players not practicing for the ring.

877
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: Remember when they came out of the bye week and

878
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: everyone was practicing, it was like Wow, that's crazy. Unfortunately,

879
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: then you have to start playing football again and then

880
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: everyone gets hurt again. Kyle Hamilton, Rokwon Smith, Ronnie Stanley, Starter,

881
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: Andrew Warhe's Rashad Bateman and likely we're both out of practice.

882
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: And I don't think Bateman's coming back anytime too soon.

883
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: They just haven't gotten the secondary receivers going consistently, similar

884
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: to a lot of years in Baltimore. But I thought

885
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: this year would be different. Let's take one more break

886
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: on our show where we're just talking early.

887
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: What we do is we cut it.

888
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Up and then we have the primetime game in the

889
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: afternoon games, and that's a different show.

890
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Okay, it's different when you're on.

891
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 4: We are back on NFL Daily.

892
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: Steve called you out for all of the hand gestures.

893
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: I remember I was there. It was on the show.

894
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: I like to wave the note cards around. I'm feeling

895
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: bad because I'm spying this next game, which before the season.

896
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: You know, if you heard there was an eight and

897
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: a half point spread on a Bengals Patriots game, you

898
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: would not think it's going for the.

899
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 4: Visitors the Patriots.

900
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: But I'm feeling bad because I see that Trent Green

901
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: is on the call and I be smirched.

902
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: His integrity.

903
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 5: Yeah there, and then you bring it up again, Yeah,

904
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 5: to kick him one more time.

905
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: But underrated player is kind of what I wanted to

906
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: get though, is those offenses were explosive and is a

907
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: great what if? Because as great as the Kurt Warner

908
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: story was, I always think I always think of Trent

909
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: Green just watching that and thinking and that could have

910
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: been me. You know, he was the quarterback for you young

911
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: listeners out there for that that greatest show on turf.

912
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: Team got hurt in the preseason, Kurt Warner took over

913
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: and Trent Green still got it done on the Chiefs.

914
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 5: And if you want a little insight into what you

915
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: know that sequence of events and how it played out

916
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 5: means to Kirk listened to his Hall of Fame intro

917
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 5: where Trent Green was up there as a part of

918
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: the folks inducting Kirk into the Pro Football.

919
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

920
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 5: Yes, Trent Green is on the call along with Kevin

921
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 5: Harlan as we get to find out what happens when

922
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 5: an unstoppable force travels through the empty vacuum of space.

923
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 5: The England Patriots are eight and a half point favorites,

924
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 5: against the Cincinnati Bengals.

925
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 2: It's the point five. It's the over under.

926
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: The Bengals once again at the top of the biggest

927
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 5: over under highest over unders of the week.

928
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 2: Greg, what do they do in this game against Drake May?

929
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: Probably give up some big plays, miss a lot of tackles.

930
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: I saw that score and thought like, oh, the Bengals

931
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: defense actually played a little better last week. You know,

932
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: the Dealers got a couple of touchdowns late. One of

933
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: them was on defense. I was like, Okay, they competed,

934
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: and you watch that game, is like, no, they just

935
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: couldn't get off the field. It was just giving up

936
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: long fifteen play drives against a bad offense. I don't

937
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: feel any better than I did early in the season

938
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: or before the buy or anything. I'll be curious to

939
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: kind of see if Kaishawn Booty's back, if Rimandre Stevenson

940
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: is back, like how they're reintegrated into the offense. But

941
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: right now, this is an offense which has a lot

942
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: of different parts working, and I think that's because of

943
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: Drake May's ability in this offense to be empowered. Brian Hoyer,

944
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: former Patriots backup, said he personally like he had played

945
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: in the you know Shanahan system.

946
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 4: At one point he was with the forty.

947
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: He said he liked that McDaniels system because he felt

948
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: like it just gave him more options of what to

949
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: do at the line of scrimmens that you could really

950
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: take hold of. He's an analyst now for the for

951
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: the Patriots, and he says he really thinks Drake may

952
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: is like year five of a process that you wouldn't

953
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: that you would expect, like in terms of what he's doing.

954
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: And you look at one of the touchdowns last week

955
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: where you know, he changes the play before and they

956
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: immediately pop one of those Trevion Henderson runs that was

957
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and in this last one

958
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: was one of his passing touchdowns was on that too,

959
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: and that he really is doing a good job setting protections,

960
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: especially knowing when where the rushers are coming from, and

961
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: seems advanced beyond his physical tools to just be in

962
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: a good ahead of his years mentally.

963
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I'm glad you brought all of

964
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: that up, Greg, because it immediately flashed me back to

965
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: when I get to watch them workshop some of this

966
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: stuff against Minnesota's defense in joint practices over the summer,

967
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: and I mentioned at the time to you that it

968
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: was really weird to me because it was almost like

969
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: they were telling him not to run when pressure came

970
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: at him, but to really feel it and understand it

971
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: and see it for kind of what it was coming

972
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: at him, versus escaping at the first sign of trouble.

973
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: And so when you do that, you can not only

974
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: understand what real pressure looks like, but also you can

975
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: have a better feel for what simulated pressure looks like,

976
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 3: and what different types of blitzes look like, and all

977
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: of the different things that teams will Now I don't

978
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: know that the Bengals are equipped to do this, but

979
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: that they will throw at you over the course of

980
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: the season if you're Drake May, and getting that type

981
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 3: of coaching is really significant to me because it does

982
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: fast track your development if you can handle it. And

983
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: clearly Drake May is really seeing it well, he's really

984
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: seeing all the different types of protections he has to call.

985
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 3: I think he's getting better support around him and in

986
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: terms of specifically what is going to happen on a

987
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: play with Travon Henderson, who struggled a little bit at

988
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: the end at the beginning of the year, and if

989
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 3: I'm looking at one of the many areas in which

990
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: Cincinnati's defense is vulnerable, I would say this might be

991
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: a really significant Travon Henderson passing in the passing game

992
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 3: game because of the way they miss tackles and because

993
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 3: of the way the two of them have really come

994
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: along in terms of what are we seeing pre snap,

995
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: what are we feeling at snap, and how do we

996
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: make things work post snap? And that's not even to

997
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: mention the production he's getting out of stuff on Diggs

998
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: and you know other receivers on the team.

999
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that play I was thinking of too, was actually

1000
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: the Henderson receiving touchdown, where right before the play he

1001
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: literally just tells Hunter Henry who to block on the play,

1002
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: who he thinks is coming on the blitz. Hunter Henry

1003
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: does it, and then they hit the touchdown. Ramandre did

1004
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: return to practice. Mike Rabel didn't really want to answer

1005
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: whether there's going to be a more split workload. He

1006
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: said he wants to make sure Ramandre Stevenson is back

1007
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: before they really address that situation.

1008
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 5: It's fun, right, you can keep Remondery healthy and also

1009
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 5: give Treyvon a little a little more experience. Probably not

1010
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 5: a lot to learn in this one. Yeah, past you know,

1011
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 5: running down the field by people and going in the

1012
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: end zone. Uh, but you know, getting a chance to

1013
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 5: be in the protection game, uh, in the in the

1014
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 5: receiving game, out of the backfield. We're more experienced for

1015
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 5: you know, one of the more explosive players in the

1016
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 5: league on an offense that's very explosive.

1017
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: It's almost like he was, you.

1018
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 5: Know, held held there just just in the right moment

1019
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 5: when they needed them in that game against the Bucks,

1020
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 5: hit those home runs, and now who they are fully

1021
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 5: operational into a great part of the season where they're

1022
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 5: leading the division.

1023
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: In Greg's feeling great.

1024
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

1025
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: The Bengalings through a little bit of a curveball today

1026
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: with their injury report. Joe Flacco's limited Joe Burrow is

1027
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: listed as a full participant. I've been thinking this whole time,

1028
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: based on the reporters, the insiders like Ian who was

1029
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: essentially hinting at it the second Burrough was you know

1030
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: activated off you know, I r in terms of not

1031
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: not activated, but his practice window open that he was

1032
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: targeting Thanksgiving, So it would make sense to me if

1033
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: he's playing on Thanksgiving, Joe Burrow. That is that he

1034
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: would start maybe fully practicing this week, but just just

1035
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on.

1036
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: Crazy could he come back even a week earlier you want?

1037
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: You don't want? I would think that you wouldn't want that,

1038
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: honestly because Jamar Chase is not going to be there right.

1039
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 3: But what I am interested in so Yoshivas. You know

1040
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: they can use him in a pinch. He is really

1041
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: productive when his number has been called. It just hasn't

1042
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: been called a lot because you have two of the

1043
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: best receivers in football. As you're one and two on

1044
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: that offense. I don't doubt that this offense, whichever Joe

1045
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: is a quarterback, is probably going to have to figure out,

1046
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: you know, how to maximize Yoshavas or if Mike Kisiki

1047
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: comes back, using him all over as a passing mismatch

1048
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: sort of like a move tight end, or maybe making

1049
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: him your number two quote unquote receiver at that point,

1050
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: you might be able to do it that way. I

1051
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: just think that even if Joe Burrow is full and

1052
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: he and if it's it's early, I don't know why

1053
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: you would almost like waste a game with without Chase

1054
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: on the field.

1055
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: I will push back, just not on that, but on

1056
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: all the people that are kind of like, why bring

1057
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: back Joe Burrow this year? It's like, he's that's what

1058
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: he does for a living, and if he's ready, No,

1059
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: I think I think that's fine. Yeah, I just I'm

1060
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: saying like next week because I know there's going to

1061
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: be that conversation, was like why even let him play

1062
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: KASICKI by the way, full practice wednesday.

1063
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe the second part of the caveat very

1064
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 5: important if he's healthy, if there are no ling lingering

1065
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 5: concerns where we're doing this this thing like oh we're

1066
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 5: watching being careful.

1067
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: Like only only if he's completely healthy.

1068
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: But I'm with you on you know, if you have

1069
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow, you got a limited window, all right. You

1070
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 5: have fifteen twenty years to watch Joe Burrow play football. Hopefully,

1071
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 5: if he can play football, he should, which is why

1072
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 5: we should bolish the draft.

1073
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: So nobody's sitting there hoping.

1074
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: I will be curious to see Christian Gondallas on the

1075
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: Higgins in this game. Would have liked to see it

1076
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: on Chase More. It hasn't been the best. It hasn't

1077
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: been the best. Christian Gonzales this year, like an incredible

1078
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: tackler out of nowhere, Like that's where he's stood out,

1079
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: but hasn't been great in coverage. I would say he's

1080
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: coming off of an injury and has n't been playing

1081
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: with like the same confidence that he had in the It.

1082
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: Was a hamstring too, right, So yeah, that's going to

1083
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: be that's going to linger in your mind, not just

1084
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: your body for a while.

1085
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 5: How much do four interceptions linger in your mind? Sam

1086
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 5: Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks folks are thirteen and a

1087
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 5: half point favorites on the road at the Tennessee Titans.

1088
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 5: Kevin Coogler and Moose Johnston on the call where the

1089
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 5: Titans are scrappy, tightens are scrappy, Jordan, they did it

1090
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Speaker 5: last week?

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Speaker 2: Can they do the unthinkable this week?

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Speaker 3: No? I don't think that. But I also I gotta

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00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: give a shout out to Denard Wilson, honestly, because watching

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00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 3: this Titans defense, they do not quit, They run to

1095
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 3: the ball, they play hard. They are limited personnel wise,

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00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: but they certainly he has them playing probably best case

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00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: scenario considering the circumstances around this entire team, And you

1098
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 3: feel horrible for them when you know you're seeing guys

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00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: shouting on the sideline. Okay, defense did its job. Now,

1100
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: offense go do its job, and then it's just not

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00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: gonna happen because of all of the clear limitations, not

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Speaker 3: just personnel but also coaching. Now, I don't think that

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00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: they come even close to manufacturing the same results out

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00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: of Sam Donald that the Rams did. It is a

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00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: very specific Chris Shula Rams defensive line and secondary because

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00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: of some of the simulated pressures he sends like. It

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00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: is a very specific Chrishula thing with Sam Donald. Frankly,

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00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: I don't think another defense can very easily replicate it

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00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: without similar types of personnel, which the Titans do not have.

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00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: So I do think that this is a back to

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00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: normal game for the Seattle Seahawks, their offense, certainly their defense.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see cam Ward try to make crazy

1113
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: things happen against this defense. I mean, I don't want

1114
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 3: him to. I don't want him to be put in

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00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: danger or anything like that, but like you know, we haven't.

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00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: I would like to see him like workshop through what

1117
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: this defense is and what it will present him, because

1118
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: it will be one of the biggest challenges he faces

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00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: all season, including the circumstances around playing this game with

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00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: your head coach long gone, and probably one of the

1121
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 3: more static offenses in the league, by the way, Like

1122
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: they're not fooling anybody. They don't motion, they don't shift,

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00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: they run basically the same concepts over and over again.

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00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: They're not asking him to do a lot pre snap

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: because they don't have a lot built in pre snap.

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00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: They're asking him to do all the magical things post snap,

1127
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: which drives you a little crazy to watch because he's

1128
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: capable of so much more. But it's just this is

1129
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: a The Seahawks team is a monster. It is an

1130
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 3: absolute monster on both sides of the ball, and Sam

1131
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: Donald is the leader of it. Actually, you threw some

1132
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: shade at Sam Donald earlier today, and I think Ernest

1133
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: Jones or earlier this week, and I think Ernest Jones

1134
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 3: had like a really good response to you on that one.

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Speaker 6: I mean, sam'sman, Like, if we want to try to

1136
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 6: define Sam by this game, man, Sam's been had us

1137
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 6: in every game. So for him to sit there and say, oh,

1138
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 6: that's my fault, No it's not. He's our quarterback. We

1139
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 6: got his back end. You got anything to say, quite frankly, thank.

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00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: You, Greg.

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00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 4: They got to put that on the team. How have

1142
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 4: I been? I literally had him as I was the deciding.

1143
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: Yes on quarterback Island yesterday. You said, I want to

1144
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: just punish him for a little bit, Like.

1145
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I said he.

1146
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: I said, uh, he didn't get the auto like we

1147
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: at the beginning, we just sort of auto passed five

1148
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: people on. He was like that performance. It took him

1149
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: off being on like the auto pass, but he was next.

1150
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: He was he was sixth and bring him up. What

1151
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: a perfect what a perfect way, uh for him to

1152
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: rebound get a free win. I mean, I mean, let's

1153
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: not give the Titans defense too much credit. They're like

1154
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: they're they're competing for sure, but they're one. There's still

1155
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: like a bottom seven or eight. They could cover this

1156
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: spread in the first half there.

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00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, like I'm not worried at all about

1158
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: the Seahawks. I will make it very clear, but I really,

1159
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: if you know, I feel for the team being in

1160
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 3: a situation that it's in, and I just I have

1161
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: to say, like for Gnard Wilson to have them playing

1162
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 3: the way that they are, nobody's given up over there

1163
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: on the defensive side, yeah, no.

1164
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Speaker 1: And Jeffrey Simmons thinks that they're giving up on the offense,

1165
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: like when you're there.

1166
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Speaker 3: Is a big skip them here, creditable.

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00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: He said after the game, how they had all these

1168
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: false starts at practice. He loves letting the business out

1169
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: from what's happening in a practice, and that they didn't

1170
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: correct them. And I it's not too hard to read

1171
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: between the lines he's saying, I'm sick of that kid,

1172
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Speaker 1: jac Latham. That's how I read it, because jac Latham

1173
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: had three false starts, didn't take any accountability when he

1174
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: was asked after kind of like was like, oh, yeah,

1175
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: well it was a different cadence, and it's like, well,

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00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: everyone else didn't fall start off those cadences. And then

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I'm kind of seeing what Jeffrey Simmons

1178
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: is specifically talking about, and I feel like it's probably

1179
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: jac Latham, their first round pick from a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: If you if you add up the EPA expected points,

1182
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 5: cam Ward has lost ninety seven this season on sacks alone.

1183
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 5: He's He's thirty eight ahead of any other quarterback in

1184
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 5: the league in terms of EPA lost on sacks.

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00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: I would say a lot of those are on him

1186
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: though too is he by far leads the NFL and

1187
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: pressure to stack ratio, but a lot of them are

1188
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: are on the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a Schmorgus.

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00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: Whatever the over is, do that and then understand it

1191
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: will be all Seahawks points.

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00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 5: And I don't want Ernest Jones to say f me,

1193
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 5: because the conversation tracker is not a person. Oh, Donald's

1194
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 5: four picks did give him negative points last week, so

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00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 5: he's actually off the board as of right now.

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Speaker 4: So in terms of the conversation.

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Speaker 2: No, he's still in the conversation. He's in.

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Speaker 4: Did we have an update?

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Speaker 5: We did have an update on the conversation. I was

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Speaker 5: able to talk to Steve Jordan was a vote as well.

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00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 5: Bo Nicks is not just in the conversation now. Bo

1202
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 5: Nix is number three in the conversation, behind Matthew Stafford.

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00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 4: Greg A. Well, it says you, not me.

1204
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 3: No, it says the conversation.

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00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1206
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: You know what, though, the conversation is measuring things that

1207
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: that I would not, and I think it's probably accurate

1208
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: in the mind of whatever dolt is out there. If

1209
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: bnix keeps this going at this rate, he probably will

1210
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: be getting votes.

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00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, to those who say this is a nonsensical process

1212
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: that seemingly is based on vibes and research bias, Yes,

1213
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: it's the MVP Award.

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00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: Uh man.

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: I know some of some of the you know some

1216
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: of the ways those associated press voters get their votes

1217
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: done back in the day. All right, let's take a break,

1218
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Speaker 1: and the break is really the end of this show.

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Speaker 1: But stay right here where you can hear fire conversations

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Speaker 1: about Eagles, Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Rams Bucks. We got forty nine ers Panthers on Monday night.

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Speaker 4: Stick around for that.