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Speaker 2: And welcome to the first feminist around the world for

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Speaker 2: Pride Month of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Yay, Happy Pride Month, Annie, Thank you, aunt to you.

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Speaker 3: Did you celebrate on the first? Did you get a

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Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 1: Is that a thing I should be doing?

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Speaker 3: I don't think you should be getting it yourself.

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Speaker 2: I think I should have delivered one for you, as

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Speaker 3: So I fell on that one. My bad though.

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Speaker 1: I went home to visit my mom for a very

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Speaker 1: late Mother's Day this weekend, and I would probably come

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Speaker 1: much about her church through her, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of like pride stuff happening right now. Of course I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, congratulations on getting your car working.

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Speaker 3: I guess I did.

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Speaker 1: I did, And I've been parked in the same spot

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Speaker 1: for so long, listeners that right now. I just looked

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Speaker 1: out my window and there's just like debris where I'd

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Speaker 3: All around it, like an outline, like under it.

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Speaker 1: Because I've really been there for so long, and so

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Speaker 1: car started and I finally got to visit my congratulations.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure will I will hear the tales of it

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Speaker 2: to say for this segment. I'm sure we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: first Feminist around the world for the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: Pride Month. It is June fourth, twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 2: just a peak behind the curtains, I got the wrong month.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Christine is amazing and edited that, but you

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Speaker 2: Anyway, We're going to do our first and we are

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Speaker 2: starting off this month celebrating the works of writer, entrepreneur

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Speaker 2: and activists a bandy Kiki, who likes to go by

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Speaker 2: Kiki as I just listened to one of her interviews,

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Speaker 2: so there you go. Kiki currently lives in the UK,

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Speaker 2: but is originally from Cameroon, And if you didn't know,

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Speaker 2: Cameroon currently criminalizes same sex relationships and activities and has

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Speaker 2: Cameroon's law criminalizing the same sex conduct has created a

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Speaker 2: climate that allows both other Cameroonians and security forces to

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Speaker 2: abuse and assault LGBTI people without consequence, said Ilaria Elligrossi.

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Speaker 2: Senior Central Africa researcher at Human Rights Watch. Cameroon's law

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Speaker 2: prohibits consensual same sex relations, a crime punishable with up

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Speaker 1: Kiki knew from a young age that she was attracted

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Speaker 2: through entrepreneurship, advocating through Rainbow Migration, a platform helping LGBTQI

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Speaker 1: But before she started leading and using her talents and

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Speaker 1: dot com quote Are you mad? Why did you kiss

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Speaker 1: It was during her studies that Kiki stepped foot on

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Speaker 1: From the same biography on where Love Is Illegal, her

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Speaker 2: a high profile case from Cameroon in which two transgender

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Cameronians, Kiki said, when it comes

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Speaker 2: of using your voice and being visible, saying that visibility

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Speaker 2: so attacked by the Cameroonian government that kind of opened

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, once again another amazing, amazing work done by someone

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