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Speaker 1: you have to get to know your kid because everything pricey.
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Speaker 1: with a haunting way to start this episode of the podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm like, relations but congratulations, you're like about to be
Speaker 1: asked though, all right, we can't bullshit around anymore because
Speaker 1: you came with a conspiracy theory that I'm so excited,
Speaker 1: one that one that we have not touched, one that
Speaker 1: that I think frankly deserves to be touched. It is
Speaker 1: such a common conspiracy theory that I I personally know
Speaker 1: quite a few people who have argued that this is
Speaker 1: a true to life thing. You said, my mama told
Speaker 1: me black people can't swim. Yes, tell me more, tell
Speaker 1: me everything you know. Well, I feel like the irony
Speaker 1: of the situation is I grew up as a professional swimmer.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a twist to that, but I heard
Speaker 1: it so often. It's so common, and that's why I
Speaker 1: was like, I think this would be perfect for the podcast.
Speaker 1: But even still to this day, when I tell people
Speaker 1: I swim professionally, it's like that response like really, what where?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I went to a HBC, you know,
Speaker 1: not ABCU and swim theme, so and it's always like
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't know, And it's this common
Speaker 1: theme of like black people can't swim. And then now
Speaker 1: I'm like, this unit for him because I swim my
Speaker 1: whole life from the age of six competitively up until
Speaker 1: college twenty two. So if I see where the truth
Speaker 1: comes from, because statistically, you know where the minority in
Speaker 1: this sport, just like a lot of sports that you
Speaker 1: have for that are like I feel like catered to
Speaker 1: white people, um only because it's like a luxury, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I feel like the sports
Speaker 1: that we have was like, you know, something you can
Speaker 1: you can do when your your garage or you know,
Speaker 1: you're like the driveway, but swimming is like you have
Speaker 1: you have to have a facility. You probably have to
Speaker 1: don't car to get the facility. Like I don't know
Speaker 1: where to buy a polar racket and I'm and I
Speaker 1: have money, so I don't even know, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, this is why I feel like it's stradgy,
Speaker 1: you know, Like this is why I feel like it's
Speaker 1: it's a conspiracy and that right. But yeah, so a
Speaker 1: lot of black people don't actually know how to swim.
Speaker 1: And it's often that you'll even travel to a Caribbean
Speaker 1: you know, country, and they're surrounded by border and they
Speaker 1: can't even swim, right, So this is this is just
Speaker 1: a common conversation that people always say and believe and think.
Speaker 1: So well, let me, let's let's back up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think you're getting to a lot of very important truths,
Speaker 1: but I've got more questions for you at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this. So you grew up swimming, you from age
Speaker 1: six you said you were already somebody threw at the
Speaker 1: age of six months, So I was. My My dad
Speaker 1: actually was a swim instructor. So my dad taught me out. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I was in the pool. I'm the youngest of setting,
Speaker 1: so my older siblings were already swimming, and then when
Speaker 1: I was born, we were putting the water immediately. And
Speaker 1: then from the age of six, we joined the swim
Speaker 1: team in Atlanta and we competed on ESA and swim
Speaker 1: team up into the age of college. And then we
Speaker 1: went to college on a full scholarship. And I say
Speaker 1: we because I have a twin sister, So we went
Speaker 1: to college on a full scholarship for swimming. Was one
Speaker 1: of you better than the other, So yes, my sister
Speaker 1: was faster than me, but it was like it was points.
Speaker 1: It was like point zero of seconds, which is very
Speaker 1: significant in the sport. But I have to I have
Speaker 1: to admit gracefully that yes she was testidy damn. So
Speaker 1: I gotta get her on the podcast because I'm talking.
Speaker 1: But this is so big, this is a twist to it.
Speaker 1: My sister was only fast and two events and one stroke.
Speaker 1: I was fast and four events and all of the strokes,
Speaker 1: So I was actually, yes, I was actually more decorated
Speaker 1: as a swimmer. But you are a more person und yeah,
Speaker 1: just rounded out swimming exactly. She could nail certain strokes.
Speaker 1: She had that one stroke and she would kill it
Speaker 1: and that would be that that one event for her,
Speaker 1: and then but for me, like save you were you
Speaker 1: were doing a relay, I could go I could even
Speaker 1: do hers or someone else's and it's still be great.
Speaker 1: You know that I'm saying. So, did y'all ever do
Speaker 1: some sister sister ship and make it absolutely? I paid
Speaker 1: my brilliant to swim some of my events. We would
Speaker 1: like we had different colors swim caps, and no one
Speaker 1: could tell us apart, so we would like switch swim
Speaker 1: caps and and and just doing it was and and
Speaker 1: sometimes like when we were younger, they actually mixed us
Speaker 1: up so like it wasn't even strategized for us to
Speaker 1: swim each other events. They just sucked up, like, oh
Speaker 1: I thought that was I thought that was Anna. So yeah, yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: and I have I've seen both of y'all, and it
Speaker 1: is tough to tell y'all apart. I listen, I haven't
Speaker 1: spent enough time around y'all, but it stressed me the
Speaker 1: funk out when I saw both of you together. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've done sister sister stuff all the time, especially when
Speaker 1: it came to swimming, because my coach made sure we
Speaker 1: swim all the events, so that's even like the long ones,
Speaker 1: and we didn't want to. So I'd be like, y'all
Speaker 1: keep swimming to dollars if you take care of this'
Speaker 1: two hundred breaststrokes from me problem. I love of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Growing up your swimming, are
Speaker 1: you competing against white people? Are you competing in predominantly
Speaker 1: black spaces? Who who is your white all white people?
Speaker 1: It's nothing but white people. So I swim for the
Speaker 1: USA A swimming which is like the national you know,
Speaker 1: like confidence. But they had the organization, and so you
Speaker 1: would out of the whole organization you have about maybe
Speaker 1: one to two percent of black and other swimmers, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it wasn't even just black,
Speaker 1: it was like anybody other than white. It was it
Speaker 1: feels that two percent out of the whole nation. So um,
Speaker 1: So swimming is a predominantly or was I should say,
Speaker 1: a predominantly white sport when I was growing up. So
Speaker 1: we were like the only black team. And because because
Speaker 1: of like the height of the competition, like we will
Speaker 1: go to Junior Olympics, we will go to zone, we
Speaker 1: will go to like high regional meats, it would it
Speaker 1: would get even, it would get worse. It would be
Speaker 1: like two black people at that meet, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So even in my swim team, like even
Speaker 1: in the team. You had to be fast enough. And
Speaker 1: if you were as fast to go to those events,
Speaker 1: now it will become like it would just be you
Speaker 1: and your friend there. Damn. Okay. So, so you're going
Speaker 1: to these predominantly white spaces, you're competing against almost entirely
Speaker 1: white people. Is there are part of you at this
Speaker 1: point because you're growing up with a black dad who's
Speaker 1: teaching y'all how to swim, who's encouraging you, clearly is
Speaker 1: coaching you well, because you're competing on the junior Olympic level,
Speaker 1: is there are part of you that still has the
Speaker 1: black people can't swim running in your head? Or you
Speaker 1: like competing like, no, I don't give a funk about
Speaker 1: none of that, and I'm gonna bust y'all. Ass um. Well,
Speaker 1: it was more like I see why black people don't swim.
Speaker 1: It was more like, I see why we don't do this.
Speaker 1: It's a lot like, you know, especially as a black woman,
Speaker 1: you know, you you I'm competing against these white people.
Speaker 1: And after the swim meeting is over, you know, the
Speaker 1: white girl cloths in the locker room, she sprinkles water
Speaker 1: on her hair, put on at eyeliner, and she hops
Speaker 1: out of the locker room and it's a new day. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: I'm over here saton conditioner, putting a shallow caps over
Speaker 1: my head, doing a little twist style, trying to and
Speaker 1: it's still coming out with a little bed to not
Speaker 1: you know, scar coming out, you know. And so I
Speaker 1: would say more so because of the response that I
Speaker 1: will always get because people are like, oh, I didn't
Speaker 1: know you swim on the black people swim. That's that
Speaker 1: was like just a common thing growing up. But also
Speaker 1: as I was competing and and swimming, I was like,
Speaker 1: I see, I see why we don't do this. This
Speaker 1: This is a lot you know. I had eggs and muskin.
Speaker 1: It's just it wasn't conducive, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it just it's you know, it was a lot
Speaker 1: dry skin on a black person, you know. But things
Speaker 1: things are different now, especially with the chemicals that they
Speaker 1: used with the water and especially like hair products and
Speaker 1: all of that. But growing up, it was it was tough.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I was gonna ask because I have
Speaker 1: to assume, and this is this is me putting my
Speaker 1: conspiratorial hat on. I have to assume that there's yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a tip. And I have to assume that there's
Speaker 1: there's an instinct or at least an unwillingness to change
Speaker 1: the form of the water, of the chemicals, of all
Speaker 1: the things, because it doesn't negatively affect the people that
Speaker 1: they're they're most trying to service, right, And there has
Speaker 1: to be a way to make water with a little
Speaker 1: bit of lotion in it or just a tad bit
Speaker 1: of conditioner cooked in that chemical, just that it wouldn't
Speaker 1: do as many harsh things to black skin and black
Speaker 1: hair as as it's done in the past, exactly. And
Speaker 1: even even just the design of the swimsuit. You know,
Speaker 1: we're more curty, you feel me like we're they're making
Speaker 1: these swimsuits for boxes. I mean, you know, no, no disrespect,
Speaker 1: but respectfully like disrespect. But you guys are shaped like
Speaker 1: and even like the shower, like the swim cap. You know,
Speaker 1: usually you know, we have larger hair, Like I'm no.
Speaker 1: Growing up, I had to wear braids. Well that was
Speaker 1: just more conducive than wearing my hair out because it
Speaker 1: was such a stress. And so now like, are you
Speaker 1: going to design a swim cap that is great for performance?
Speaker 1: But I saw something that you know can can keep
Speaker 1: all of my hair inside. So it was it was
Speaker 1: definitely little little things like that. But I think it's
Speaker 1: just yeah, I mean conspiracy. And then also just like
Speaker 1: we wasn't growing up like I'm about to swim. That
Speaker 1: wasn't something like do you even know how to swim? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't like how you said that. I do. I
Speaker 1: am uh, I am not a strong swimmer. I'll say that,
Speaker 1: but that is more as a result of my anxiety.
Speaker 1: It is not a result of me not being taught.
Speaker 1: I was taught for years. I went to you know,
Speaker 1: I was one of them kids that grew up in
Speaker 1: like after school programs where they would like make you
Speaker 1: go take swim lessons, and I just could never relax
Speaker 1: enough in the water to get like the breathing down yeah,
Speaker 1: and do it correctly. But I plenty of people put
Speaker 1: resources behind me. Yeah exactly, that makes sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know if you remember this.
Speaker 1: There was that as you were talking about the swim
Speaker 1: caps and all that, it reminded me that this past Olympics,
Speaker 1: I think there was that big controversy of the black
Speaker 1: woman who had, like I guess, invented a larger swim
Speaker 1: cap that was meant to be more accommodating for black hair,
Speaker 1: and then the Olympic committee came down and was like, nah,
Speaker 1: we don't know that ship, so you gotta get rid
Speaker 1: of it. Like it, it does seem like a very
Speaker 1: intentional effort to at least not be accommodating for the
Speaker 1: needs of a different type of swimmers. Yeah, and often
Speaker 1: it's because they never had to They never had to
Speaker 1: be accommodating. You're you're looking at years of years of
Speaker 1: years and even now, like we're just now seeing black
Speaker 1: swimmers in the Olympics, right, Like even so I wanted
Speaker 1: what was the first year because it was it had
Speaker 1: to be like around when I was in college, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't too long ago. And that's when you saw
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess up his name, but it
Speaker 1: was like one black guy in the Olympics, and then
Speaker 1: we had one more, and then now it was like two.
Speaker 1: So we're looking like, why would they be accommodating or
Speaker 1: why would they, you know, even go out their way
Speaker 1: to do that when we're still looking at a lower
Speaker 1: number of black swimmers at that level of competition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and to some extent, I I don't even know.
Speaker 1: This doesn't justify the decision at all, definitely rationalizes it
Speaker 1: where I don't even think that Sometimes what they're doing
Speaker 1: is like an overt malicious racism as it is like
Speaker 1: black people are like, yo, this would make my swim
Speaker 1: experience more simple, easy, comfortable, whatever it is, And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if we change the rules, the rules are just changed.
Speaker 1: And y'all niggas are just here for a week, like
Speaker 1: your temporary or like or you have these type of
Speaker 1: organizations where they hold so much weight in the rules
Speaker 1: that they just they don't want to change it just
Speaker 1: because of the honor of tradition, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you have like you, it's stubbornness too, that energy
Speaker 1: as well. Um, so yeah, definitely not condoning it, but
Speaker 1: that that level of understanding can just kind of give
Speaker 1: you an idea of where everybody kind of be coming from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Serena Williams wearing that catsuit and everybody freaked the
Speaker 1: funk out because they're like this, you can't wear a
Speaker 1: cat suit. But it's like, but the bitch looked good
Speaker 1: in the cat suitt suit. But they're like, but tradition
Speaker 1: says cat suits are not what we wear when we
Speaker 1: do the thing. It's like, I don't know, man, it
Speaker 1: go hand in hand and also a level of control too,
Speaker 1: but that's why you have the different views and depends
Speaker 1: on other side. But um, yeah, yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I haven't really been following too close. But hopefully
Speaker 1: I know now as I move forward, even as I've
Speaker 1: liked taught lessons and I see more black people are swimming,
Speaker 1: So that's that's the good thing. Is your son a swimmer?
Speaker 1: Does he swim? He is? He is? He actually talked
Speaker 1: so the same way my dad taught me how to swim.
Speaker 1: My dad actually taught him how to swim suit. But
Speaker 1: the beauty of it was he would bring him to
Speaker 1: my swimming lessons, so it was like, oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was actually really nice. So he was
Speaker 1: a little baby taking my little mommy and me classes,
Speaker 1: but mommy was teaching the class and granddad was standing
Speaker 1: in as the parents. So he's been in the water
Speaker 1: since he was a small baby, which the Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he's a strong swimmer. You are keeping this tradition going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when the pandemic kind of hurt us what I will
Speaker 1: want to tell people. It's like with swimming, just like
Speaker 1: with any skill, if you don't do it after a while,
Speaker 1: you lose it. So we actually just was we was
Speaker 1: on vacation and my cousins was like, he came swim
Speaker 1: me case swim and I was like, no, we just
Speaker 1: forgot So I had to kind of just hit him
Speaker 1: in the water. I had to get an the water
Speaker 1: with him and we'm him who he was and where
Speaker 1: he came from, and then it was good. But you,
Speaker 1: swimming is like one of those skills where you can't
Speaker 1: take It's like stand up, like you can't take a
Speaker 1: week off the thing. You're about to come and just
Speaker 1: crush it like this is what you gotta keep. You
Speaker 1: gotta keep using this muscle. So yeah, and I do
Speaker 1: think into your point, I do think that's something I
Speaker 1: want to consider. I want to find myself in the
Speaker 1: space where I can go like, oh, all right, this
Speaker 1: is an excuse not only for this person to to
Speaker 1: begin to break uh a history, right and ugly history
Speaker 1: of black people either being associated with not swimming or
Speaker 1: actually not swimming, but on top of that, a chance
Speaker 1: for me to to now reconsider some of the decisions
Speaker 1: I've made as an adult of like I don't swim,
Speaker 1: that's not my thing. Like, no, maybe I could be
Speaker 1: a swimmer and I can use this baby as a
Speaker 1: as an excuse to do that. It's never so great.
Speaker 1: Have you seen those videos when they just like throw
Speaker 1: newborns in like a big gas pool. Yes, and then
Speaker 1: naturally they say, I'm like, I don't know what they
Speaker 1: I don't know what part of the world this is.
Speaker 1: But it's so crazy because growing up, that would be
Speaker 1: the trauma behind all of my friends and swimming. It
Speaker 1: would be like I was thrown into the pool and
Speaker 1: that was like the last time they swam, because it
Speaker 1: was like swim right. So you have those people who
Speaker 1: kind of like doing their own stroke and they're like
Speaker 1: I made it, and then other people like I will
Speaker 1: never touch the water again because that was trauma sizing
Speaker 1: so right, and that that's the weird dance that we're
Speaker 1: I think we're all dealing in. It's like you want
Speaker 1: to be able to learn to swim, but you don't
Speaker 1: want trauma attached to it. And unfortunately, for black people,
Speaker 1: I think very few things that we have are at
Speaker 1: least somewhat associated with trauma. Isn't that that's just this
Speaker 1: and that's the conspiracy right there. They just they just
Speaker 1: want to kill us mentally. It's crazy. Hey, hold on,
Speaker 1: that's how they get you, because, oh boy, is there
Speaker 1: is there not a lot that isn't at least somewhat
Speaker 1: associated with the destruction of our minds and nothing can't
Speaker 1: have nothing. All right, We're gonna take a break. We'll
Speaker 1: be back with more amina and more, my mama told me.
Speaker 1: And we are back, my god, Oh yeah, we're back
Speaker 1: here with more amina, money, more. My mama told me.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about the possibility that black people can
Speaker 1: in fact swim, and Amina is proof of that, her
Speaker 1: and her twin sister proven and there in the sun too,
Speaker 1: everybody's proving that black people do have the potential to swim.
Speaker 1: When when you were growing up as a swimmer, were
Speaker 1: you made fun of? Were you guys picked on for
Speaker 1: being the weirdos who were excited to be in water
Speaker 1: when everybody else was like, nah, that'sh it's weird, we
Speaker 1: don't do that. No, so we weren't. So we weren't
Speaker 1: picked on because it wasn't something that everybody saw like
Speaker 1: we swam but it was always at a distance to
Speaker 1: school and wherever else we were. So when we were swimming,
Speaker 1: it was with other people who were swimming. But what
Speaker 1: we were picked on was about like our appearance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ashy, this your hair, you know. Yeah, like even
Speaker 1: to down to how we dressed, because swimming is not
Speaker 1: really the most affordable or it wasn't the most affordable sport.
Speaker 1: And it was three of us and so um my
Speaker 1: mom was a single mom at the time, so it
Speaker 1: was like we're paying four events, were paying for swimm
Speaker 1: meets and stuff. So it's just like y'all gonna get
Speaker 1: sneakers once every you know, blue moon, and so we
Speaker 1: weren't never the kind of kids who were established or
Speaker 1: what the end. So we were made fun of, I
Speaker 1: feel like in indirectly to what it was that we
Speaker 1: had to pay for with swimming, but it wasn't because
Speaker 1: we swam. And actually when it was time for swim
Speaker 1: fool parties and stuff, that was our time to shine.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like you can pick on us because
Speaker 1: it's like you don't have the skills that I have.
Speaker 1: So that was actually our time to like be like
Speaker 1: I was swim we award I'm doing that. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: like when you would come to school every day looking dry,
Speaker 1: it was just like, oh, yeah, we're about to be
Speaker 1: getting on you, right. These these kids don't know that
Speaker 1: you're They think you're just crusty, but they don't know
Speaker 1: you're crusty because you're champions. You feel me say it again?
Speaker 1: Like I put it like that, and then you just
Speaker 1: woke up and you didn't wash your ass. But it
Speaker 1: turns out you've been very wet and wet, wet in
Speaker 1: the in the coolest way possible that they're not even
Speaker 1: aware of exactly. Kids had no idea, but you don't listen.
Speaker 1: I have no student loans now, So who had the
Speaker 1: last laugh? You feel me? Well, they had the last laugh,
Speaker 1: but they locked in your face and now they probably
Speaker 1: can't hear you because they work at McDonald But that said,
Speaker 1: good for you for sticking with it and not letting
Speaker 1: being asked you at school deter you from from following
Speaker 1: your dreams. Really, Oh my goodness. Yeah, Okay, let's jump
Speaker 1: into some of this research, because I did find quite
Speaker 1: a bit on this conversation of whether or not black
Speaker 1: people can swim, and according to a two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight study. It actually showed that more than fifty eight percent,
Speaker 1: fifty eight percent of black kids in America cannot swim,
Speaker 1: that is what they reported. And black kids drown it
Speaker 1: nearly three times the rate of their white counterparts in
Speaker 1: this country. Yeah. But now, now, now, now, when you
Speaker 1: dropped the statistics like that, Yes, that sounds like a
Speaker 1: strategy right there. Not three times wow, three times. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking drowning black babies, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? That is not good. That is and people
Speaker 1: need to hear to see, see put your kids in
Speaker 1: the water, because that's crazy. I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: know it was like that. That's wild. So I I
Speaker 1: wanted to look up where the origin of this is, right, like,
Speaker 1: why is it that all of this is happening? And
Speaker 1: it seems like the cause is largely related to and
Speaker 1: you talked about this earlier access. So in the late
Speaker 1: nineteenth and early twentieth century, there were almost no pools
Speaker 1: being built in predominantly black areas. They're they're like saying emphatically,
Speaker 1: we are not building swimming pools in places where black
Speaker 1: people live. Then the twenties and thirties come around and
Speaker 1: they start to actually build public pools all over UH cities,
Speaker 1: all over these larger sort of like urban areas. However,
Speaker 1: it's also kicking into the era where we start to
Speaker 1: do the separate but equal ship right where they basically say,
Speaker 1: like you get a swimming pool, you get a swimming pool,
Speaker 1: y'all can't swim together. However, the white swimming pools that
Speaker 1: they're building, these large, white public swimming pools, I'll read
Speaker 1: you some of the description that they had for them.
Speaker 1: It's basically some of them were larger than football fields,
Speaker 1: surrounded by grassy lawns and concrete sun decks. However, the
Speaker 1: black ones, the pools that black people were assigned to,
Speaker 1: were often extremely small, indoors and had none of the
Speaker 1: comparable amenities. Wow. Yeah, So basically white people get to
Speaker 1: go lounge on like a fake beach and black people
Speaker 1: get to go into like a school auditorium with like
Speaker 1: a bucket in the middle of it. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But and and that's all I would think about even
Speaker 1: growing up, because as it as it gotten down to,
Speaker 1: like us trying to be as competitive as our counterparts,
Speaker 1: we just it was really no chance, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I was going to a school that
Speaker 1: was like forty minutes away, and then the pool was
Speaker 1: another forty minutes away. So I'm only practicing once out
Speaker 1: of the day, which is after school, as opposed to
Speaker 1: my counterparts, the pool is at their school, so they
Speaker 1: start their warning swimming, they go to classes, and then
Speaker 1: they go to back to practice in the afternoon. So
Speaker 1: now I'm competing against someone who's training twice a day
Speaker 1: is way more convenient for them. And and that's that's
Speaker 1: the disadvantage. That was a disadvantage growing up for yeah,
Speaker 1: the inside of time and even to your earlier point,
Speaker 1: it also is even if like functionally you and your
Speaker 1: your mom had figured out some way of transporting you
Speaker 1: to this space, it's still also is a separate check
Speaker 1: that needs to be like written out to make sure
Speaker 1: that you're getting the same amount of practice that it
Speaker 1: is already cooked into the bill of you know, white education,
Speaker 1: the white upbringing, like they have the pool already a
Speaker 1: part of their daily lives exactly, yep, yep, yep, ye wow.
Speaker 1: So to that that same point, and this is an
Speaker 1: example of sort of like the differences in these experiences
Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen thirties and St. Louis. Black Americans
Speaker 1: represented fifteen percent of the population in that city, which
Speaker 1: is surprisingly low for St. Louis. That's the Niggas city.
Speaker 1: But the point is they only took one and a
Speaker 1: half percent of the number of swims in the city
Speaker 1: one and a half percent because they were only allocated
Speaker 1: one small indoor pool, whereas the white residents of St.
Speaker 1: Louis had access to nine pools, two of which were
Speaker 1: as large and sort of like sprawling as the ones
Speaker 1: that I described earlier. So it's nothing but but white
Speaker 1: people with resources and black people with one real sad
Speaker 1: chlorine tank. Exactly. I'm just grateful that, you know, I
Speaker 1: grew up in Atlanta where my coach, My coach didn't
Speaker 1: play dad, he was. He was just a huge advocate
Speaker 1: for US swimming, and he also went out of his
Speaker 1: way to make sure we had access to get to practice,
Speaker 1: even to the point where he'll pick us up. He
Speaker 1: also assisted with like our swimming fees. So I'm just yeah,
Speaker 1: my shout out to coach Tommy um Tommy Jackson. Uh.
Speaker 1: He he's been in the game board years years, at
Speaker 1: minimum five decades of coaching, and he actually took a
Speaker 1: black Haitian swimmer to the Olympics. The last Olympics, Nicole.
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess up her last name, um
Speaker 1: and she she made it to the Olympics. So that
Speaker 1: was a big deal for him because that was like
Speaker 1: one of his goals to have a you know, one
Speaker 1: of us. Like even now, he's still be trying to
Speaker 1: get us back in the pool and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: let let it, let me go, let go, like let it.
Speaker 1: But you could do Bassard, let it, let it go.
Speaker 1: I'm not. So he's like a real terror sour typing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: swim Boys, I don't know what I think it was called.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. I called it swim Boys, but
Speaker 1: it's called Pride. Yeah, that's terrible. Don't do that again.
Speaker 1: I never watched that movie. But they they we had
Speaker 1: jobs too, so it was like when it when it
Speaker 1: did get difficult, we worked as light guards during the summer,
Speaker 1: so we were able to train, practice, you know, and
Speaker 1: and work and make some money. So yeah, shout, I
Speaker 1: see him but doing that. But as you can see,
Speaker 1: they was trying to they was trying to hold us back.
Speaker 1: And I think I think even more to that point
Speaker 1: that also and you talked about this earlier that you
Speaker 1: for you, I assume for a while maybe you still
Speaker 1: do it, but you were teaching swim classes, and that
Speaker 1: that is how you create culture. It isn't just put
Speaker 1: a person in a swimming pool and teach them to swim.
Speaker 1: It's make it so that not only as are my
Speaker 1: relationships in the water, but my money is in the water.
Speaker 1: My community as a whole is connected to this space.
Speaker 1: So I always have a reason to go back, which
Speaker 1: is an essence what white people intentionally were We're making
Speaker 1: sure wasn't happening for these black people in the twenties
Speaker 1: and thirties, and I felt like still low key to
Speaker 1: this day, but people are making it a point to
Speaker 1: do what they gotta do. Yes, So one of the
Speaker 1: things that I think is worth addressing because obviously, in
Speaker 1: in many cities there were actual policies being put in
Speaker 1: place to ensure that black people were designated to specific pools,
Speaker 1: but that wasn't actually an option everywhere. The separate but
Speaker 1: equal thing wasn't wasn't fully a thing that they could
Speaker 1: make into law in every single city, in every single state.
Speaker 1: And so what white people did if they were in
Speaker 1: a state or a city that didn't allow for separate
Speaker 1: but laws would. They used violence essentially, So there are
Speaker 1: plenty of instances. For example, there's a pool that sort
Speaker 1: of became infamous during this time in Highland Park, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: where white swimmers weren't encouraged to beat any black people
Speaker 1: who entered the water at their public pool. That like,
Speaker 1: they had multiple instances of like black boys like hopping
Speaker 1: the fence or making it into the swimming pool and
Speaker 1: then they were told to beat them and dunk them
Speaker 1: until they ran for their lives out of the water.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, And just imagine if that was your daddy,
Speaker 1: you ain't never learning to swim ever in your life.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's traumatic as hell. And you also have
Speaker 1: to assume that these are young kids, because that's who
Speaker 1: would break into a swimming pool. I don't know a
Speaker 1: lot of Like again, I'm thirty four, my knees ain't
Speaker 1: I'm not hopping fences no more. I'm pretty comfortable. If
Speaker 1: you don't let me through the door, I will go home.
Speaker 1: At sixteen, I would have high the ship out of
Speaker 1: offense and had a good time in the pool that
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be in and those kids are
Speaker 1: then being attacked by grown men who are presuming to
Speaker 1: protect I guess they're they're innocence by by getting these
Speaker 1: black people out of the pool. It's because they know
Speaker 1: we're gonna be them a day own game too. That's
Speaker 1: that's really, really really when it comes down, you give
Speaker 1: it to us be better than you. That's that's and
Speaker 1: and and even even as we were growing up, it
Speaker 1: was just like you training twice today, I'm training once
Speaker 1: a day, and we had the same yet the same block.
Speaker 1: What's up if it really boils down, So it's like,
Speaker 1: because you know I'm gonna be better than you, right,
Speaker 1: and this you're saying, this is a deep seated fear,
Speaker 1: like I could take the position you've built so much
Speaker 1: pride in, and so subsequently you just tried to keep
Speaker 1: me out there will make people act and show their acts.
Speaker 1: You got grown men being kids, and it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it does, because you know, you know what it
Speaker 1: is so more to that that conversation of fear. Then
Speaker 1: in the forties and fifties, so thirties and twenties and thirties,
Speaker 1: they're beating ass and U and I guess not taking
Speaker 1: names in the swimming pool. But then in the forties
Speaker 1: and fifty these segregation laws start to drop away. Right,
Speaker 1: They're no longer able to to segregate the swimming pools
Speaker 1: the way that they planned. And so instead what happens
Speaker 1: is something called white flight. A bunch of the white
Speaker 1: swimmers that previously we're going to these public pools decide
Speaker 1: they no longer want to be a part of these
Speaker 1: public communities and instead start building private pools in their
Speaker 1: own communities and or in their own homes. That country club, yeah,
Speaker 1: golf clubs. All the clubs start to build their ship
Speaker 1: or I just build one in my backyard, and I
Speaker 1: avoid any interaction with niggers anywhere, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Goes back to money, resources, privileges, luxuries, things that are
Speaker 1: not affording to everyone. And ah that just I love
Speaker 1: a good tired gas just right, just somebody can't even
Speaker 1: bring themselves to to finish how frustrated they are in
Speaker 1: this all experience. And this is where it gets even
Speaker 1: more insane, because they start to run to these country clubs,
Speaker 1: these golf clubs, these private facilities. And then that shift
Speaker 1: subsequently makes the government stop putting resources into public facilities,
Speaker 1: which means that the public pools that did exist either
Speaker 1: get shut down or stop getting the maintenance that they deserve,
Speaker 1: and black people are once again left without any options
Speaker 1: for swimming, which is why today we have so few
Speaker 1: public pools and why so few black people even feel
Speaker 1: a willingness to go to them. Yes, it's real, tiring,
Speaker 1: dog exhausted. Let's let's turn this, uh this fun game
Speaker 1: for a second, because this part I've always found pretty
Speaker 1: hysterical and I'm curious to hear your thoughts as a
Speaker 1: a black swimmer. There's also a conspiracy theory that I
Speaker 1: think is so funny that white people believe the reason
Speaker 1: black people can't swim is because we have denser bones
Speaker 1: than our white counterparts. That we are we are bones
Speaker 1: are are basically heavier and denser, and it makes us
Speaker 1: less prone to fractures. But it also means that we
Speaker 1: sink when we get in the water. Your thoughts, Boy,
Speaker 1: why people come up with anything? Who said it doll bad?
Speaker 1: They got the heavy bones they can Okay, so that
Speaker 1: is this is what white people made up. Well, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you said made up because, as it
Speaker 1: turns out, and I did some research. I thought I
Speaker 1: similarly thought this was completely made up. But as it
Speaker 1: turns out, there is some evidence to suggest that bone
Speaker 1: to city is higher in black people versus our our
Speaker 1: white counterparts. However, the the density that we're talking about
Speaker 1: is not enough to make a difference in our buoyancy,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And certainly not the
Speaker 1: buoyancy of the entire race. This is sort of like
Speaker 1: an averaging out that basically says that Black people oftentimes
Speaker 1: require less vitamin D and less calcium than our white counterparts,
Speaker 1: and we do technically report less fractures than than white people.
Speaker 1: And it would go back to the significance because even
Speaker 1: as you look at babies, as you said, people for
Speaker 1: wotom in pools, and it's a natural instinct for us
Speaker 1: to swim, you feel me like just as being as
Speaker 1: a human. So why would someone now try to dissect
Speaker 1: that into yeah, yeah, heah, y'all bones too heavy anyway,
Speaker 1: so let it go, Yes, like that, that's why it
Speaker 1: sounds made of even if there is some truth around,
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not about to be that serious for
Speaker 1: us not to be able to swim. Exactly, It's not
Speaker 1: enough to keep us from swimming, and to your your
Speaker 1: earlier point, it really is just a way of justifying
Speaker 1: the racism that they already are sort of trying to
Speaker 1: see to see through, right. Like another example of the
Speaker 1: things that they they started to say in order to
Speaker 1: keep black people from entering public pools back in the
Speaker 1: twenties and thirties was they argued that black people were
Speaker 1: dirtier than white people, that they were just say a
Speaker 1: filthier because you know, like our pink color is gonna
Speaker 1: come off obviously, Like you put water to this, and
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like immediately, just the whole poems and
Speaker 1: be black, you know, so you look at me and
Speaker 1: see that I'm gonna leave a whole lot of black everywhere. Well,
Speaker 1: they not only did they claim that black people were dirtier,
Speaker 1: but they also can claim that by allowing them into
Speaker 1: the water, more transmittable diseases we're going to be spread
Speaker 1: by our presence, by the physical presence of black people
Speaker 1: in a public pool. And the dumbest ship ever, it's
Speaker 1: all dumb. My favorite, second favorite, my favorite of them,
Speaker 1: dense ass bones. My second favorite example of why they
Speaker 1: also were afraid of black people getting in the water
Speaker 1: is because they were They specifically especially were afraid of
Speaker 1: the possibility that black men would be swimming in public
Speaker 1: spaces with white women. That they thought that black men,
Speaker 1: We're gonna use this opportunity to take advantage in some
Speaker 1: form of these white women by either brushing up against
Speaker 1: them under the water, or seducing them with their their
Speaker 1: ethnic bodies, just whatever they could do to to get
Speaker 1: white women attracted to them or uncomfortable around them. This
Speaker 1: was their way of protecting their precious whites, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, the precious white women that are fighting
Speaker 1: for the feminism every day. As we see here the
Speaker 1: arguments that they made, and I think similar to the
Speaker 1: ones that we were talking about earlier, it is all
Speaker 1: a justification to make them feel girl. Yeah, stop paying up.
Speaker 1: You're very mean to them. You don't care for them
Speaker 1: at all. You just don't want us to be mean
Speaker 1: to them the way you're mean to them. So the
Speaker 1: last thing I'll run past you because I do think
Speaker 1: that this is a an interesting point that I sort
Speaker 1: of found myself digging into. You went in all in this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, this is literally all I have is talking
Speaker 1: to people over the podcast. It's it's my life now,
Speaker 1: and I hate my life to end it all someday,
Speaker 1: but for now, this is all I got, so I
Speaker 1: don't I'm assuming you're familiar with Simone manuals. She she's
Speaker 1: the black woman who won gold at the Olympics. She's
Speaker 1: sort of like a person that keeps getting pointed to
Speaker 1: as like an exceptional swimmer, this awesome person, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And one of the things that I
Speaker 1: found myself sort of realizing as I was unpacking some
Speaker 1: of this research, and I'm very curious to hear your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, is that I don't actually think that
Speaker 1: it's good for us anymore to keep sort of like
Speaker 1: pointing at black people and saying they're the first black
Speaker 1: person to do this thing, the first black women to
Speaker 1: win a gold medal in swimming, or black woman to
Speaker 1: do this or this or this whatever, because it is
Speaker 1: now becoming justification for white people to say that the
Speaker 1: systemic oppression that has been in place for generations is
Speaker 1: not actually a problem. That like every time we sit
Speaker 1: around and just over celebrate ourselves for being the first,
Speaker 1: we're only making a weird sort of exceptionalism in that
Speaker 1: individual and not actually allowing white people to see the
Speaker 1: way that systemic oppression is attacking all of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's always uh a yet in a yang
Speaker 1: with everything and and and to that point, I honestly
Speaker 1: understand why it would make sense to not do that. However,
Speaker 1: Comma growing up, you know, little Kalia, just well, this
Speaker 1: is the thing. Presentation does matter, you know, and like
Speaker 1: growing up you know, you you even have me and
Speaker 1: my sister in a predominantly white sport with with so
Speaker 1: much potential, we could have been the first Simone what's
Speaker 1: her last name manuals manuals, right, But when you don't
Speaker 1: see that and when it's not common, and then it
Speaker 1: disconnects that belief. So I know, for a long time,
Speaker 1: even in being something so great, there was a lack
Speaker 1: of vision because there was no simone manuals, you understand.
Speaker 1: So that's why sometimes that praise is important because you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the youth need to see it, They need
Speaker 1: to know that they're capable, and it is an opportunity
Speaker 1: for them to do this, not to tell right people,
Speaker 1: not in the same sentence to be like, you're white people, Okay,
Speaker 1: now y'all are doing good. But in a sense of Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to see that this is something that we
Speaker 1: can accomplished and it needs to continue to be strong
Speaker 1: for because if if not, it will continue to just
Speaker 1: be once someone manuals ever so often you understand what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I I like that point because I
Speaker 1: do think that it in some ways I think I
Speaker 1: I feel like what I'm hearing is it's more important
Speaker 1: for us to use representation to show us then that
Speaker 1: is to show white people. And maybe that is the
Speaker 1: danger of the representation that that I'm talking about, and
Speaker 1: where we can kind of meet in the middle of
Speaker 1: this ship is saying that, Like, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: good for us to keep announcing to white people, look
Speaker 1: how good we can be. I think it's more important
Speaker 1: to announce to each other, look how good we can be,
Speaker 1: and ignore whatever the white interpretation of that is, and
Speaker 1: not even look how good, Look how good you are?
Speaker 1: We we are great, we are amazing. We don't and
Speaker 1: and and we never hear that. We haven't been hearing
Speaker 1: that for so long, so that that's the whole idea.
Speaker 1: I'll never I took a trip to Ghana recently and
Speaker 1: it was three little girls at the resorts swimming, and
Speaker 1: I had to sit back and be like, damn, I
Speaker 1: don't even really remember what I looked like as a
Speaker 1: little girl in the pool, you know. And so I
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to go over there and teach, and
Speaker 1: they was like they were elated to see that I
Speaker 1: could swim, you know what I mean, And they were
Speaker 1: like even more excited to show me that they could swim,
Speaker 1: like and it wasn't as like they were just learning
Speaker 1: and you know, like look what I could do putting
Speaker 1: their face of the water. But now they have a
Speaker 1: vision of like, okay, like even as an adult, this
Speaker 1: is something I can continue to do and be great at.
Speaker 1: And so I think those that's that's just way more
Speaker 1: important than than you know, clearing white people's conscious or
Speaker 1: or thinking that these this is where the effort is
Speaker 1: going into because it's it's so much it's so much
Speaker 1: greater than that. It's so much greater than and I
Speaker 1: just I just know what it is to be a
Speaker 1: little girl, and and it was it just wasn't there.
Speaker 1: So you had no clue. You you're just painting on
Speaker 1: a blank canvas. So just imagine how great your picture
Speaker 1: will be if you already kind of see how amazing
Speaker 1: the picture is. It's gonna be even better. So we
Speaker 1: gotta keep that in mind. And and just just let
Speaker 1: people know we got the sauce. And no matter how
Speaker 1: many times they build the pool and take it down,
Speaker 1: we listen, build your own pool, brot build your own pool. Bro,
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Go ahead, put your people this sliming
Speaker 1: license and get your grass in the water. How about that?
Speaker 1: All right? Well you're already here first, folks, to get
Speaker 1: your ass in the water and build your own pool. Bro.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more
Speaker 1: of me. Now your money. More. My mama told me
Speaker 1: we are that. No, no, no, yeah, we're back here
Speaker 1: with Moremni Monti more. My mama told me. We're still
Speaker 1: talking about black people and swimming and Terrence Howard movies.
Speaker 1: Pride is what it's called. It ain't called black boys,
Speaker 1: It's called pride. Anyway. I'd love to play a game.
Speaker 1: Let's play. Let's play a game. This is a fun game.
Speaker 1: It's a classic game. It's our most classic game on
Speaker 1: the show. It's a a fun little game. I like
Speaker 1: to call white lies ugly. You're disgusting I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: Give me two d white lies. It's a fun game
Speaker 1: where I amina am going to introduce to you a
Speaker 1: classic white conspiracy, one that that white people supposedly have
Speaker 1: held onto for quite a while now. And what I
Speaker 1: would for you to do is just unpack for me
Speaker 1: why you think white people care about this conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: so much? What do you think it is inside of
Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory that they're latching onto. What are these
Speaker 1: sneaky motherfucker's up to? You know what I mean? Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is an interesting one because I had
Speaker 1: never heard it before, and I had to do a
Speaker 1: little bit of of research just even make sense of it.
Speaker 1: But apparently Queen Elizabeth the First, the Queen Elizabeth the First,
Speaker 1: not the one that's in there now, not that whole bitch,
Speaker 1: the one that was from fifteen thirty three. She was
Speaker 1: born in fifteen thirty three. She died in sixteen oh three.
Speaker 1: They made a movie about her with sar Sharonan, whose
Speaker 1: name I just learned to pronounce correctly. She's She's that
Speaker 1: nice Irish lady that's in all the important films now. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth the First, very old lady apparently. Uh, some
Speaker 1: people believe that she was born a man, that she
Speaker 1: was actually a man, and that she wasn't born a man.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, that she was replaced, but she died very
Speaker 1: young and was replaced by a young boy who looked
Speaker 1: like her and basically held that position for the remainder
Speaker 1: of Queen Elizabeth the first life. And that's the reason
Speaker 1: why she never had sex with anybody. She didn't, she
Speaker 1: didn't bone apparently, she was she was completely like a
Speaker 1: virgin apparently. And the reason she was like that is
Speaker 1: because they claimed that she was a boy. This is
Speaker 1: a lot for you to take in it. But my
Speaker 1: question for you, Amina is why do you think white
Speaker 1: people are holding onto this conspiracy so tightly? I mean,
Speaker 1: did she not have any kids? Like? What? What? What
Speaker 1: is it is? The is it the lack of a legacy?
Speaker 1: Is it she ugly? Like I'm I'm That's all I
Speaker 1: could think of. She was uh said to have been
Speaker 1: a homely woman. And I don't believe that she did
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth have a child because Queen she had no children.
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, that's that's all I can think of.
Speaker 1: Because like people come up with reasons especially in those times.
Speaker 1: It's like she could be out there chopping wood and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, she's definitely a man, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like anything that would be out
Speaker 1: of what a woman was constructed of supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: That's why they will come up with this this I
Speaker 1: just what this is. This is themb But yeah, so
Speaker 1: because she ain't had our kids. Yeah, like once once
Speaker 1: a woman didn't have kids. Now everybody has to come
Speaker 1: up with reasons like she's a witch or you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like like all she got a disease
Speaker 1: or lights like everything gotta be reasons just to explain
Speaker 1: that one little thing. So that's the first thing that
Speaker 1: that that the patriarchy is so embedded exactly the way
Speaker 1: that we interpret women, that the fact that she she
Speaker 1: did not bear children meant that if there wasn't a
Speaker 1: magical explanation to that behavior it, we couldn't make sense
Speaker 1: of a woman existing in this way. Exactly. Yes, thank
Speaker 1: you so eloquent. You know again, that's all I have.
Speaker 1: I won't have it much longer. I'm gonna end it all.
Speaker 1: But while I'm here, my job is to repeat back
Speaker 1: things that you've already said. In different words. That's the
Speaker 1: key to good podcast hosting. Yes, yes, yes, it's amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I think we did it. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: think we we nailed this episode. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This was a great time having people. Hell yeah, could
Speaker 1: you tell the people at home where they can find
Speaker 1: you and what cool ship you have going on? Yeah? So, um,
Speaker 1: you can find me on my website, Amina Imani dot com. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm on social media you a men a money, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook.
Speaker 1: You can look out for my set on Comedy Central
Speaker 1: that's dropping in November. I'm on Hulu up early tonight
Speaker 1: a show on there. Yeah, and then if you just
Speaker 1: yea on my website. I think it's like some articles
Speaker 1: that spotlight things that I've done and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So check me out. Hell yeah, go on that website,
Speaker 1: check her out late tonight. That's yeah on Hulu. Do
Speaker 1: all that ship. And as always, you can follow me
Speaker 1: at Langston Kerman. And please, if you have any drops,
Speaker 1: if you have any conspiracy theories of your own, if
Speaker 1: you have anything that you would like me to see,
Speaker 1: you can send it to my Mama pod at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. I would love to hear from you. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: by bitch racist the oasto player oosting money actually do
Speaker 1: any Turkey stuff. I can't tell me that my lo