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Speaker 1: there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another spectacular episode of My Mama Told Me, the

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Speaker 1: Henrietta Lex cured polio and more importantly, cured people from

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Speaker 1: naming their child Henrietta. Nobody wants to name their kids

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Speaker 1: As always, I'm coming in. I am misbehaving. I am

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Speaker 1: Miss amina E Myne, what's going on? How you I'm

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Last call might be at

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Speaker 1: last laugh? You feel me? Well, they had the last laugh,

426
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: but they locked in your face and now they probably

427
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: can't hear you because they work at McDonald But that said,

428
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: good for you for sticking with it and not letting

429
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: being asked you at school deter you from from following

430
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: your dreams. Really, Oh my goodness. Yeah, Okay, let's jump

431
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: into some of this research, because I did find quite

432
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: a bit on this conversation of whether or not black

433
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: people can swim, and according to a two thousand and

434
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: eight study. It actually showed that more than fifty eight percent,

435
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: fifty eight percent of black kids in America cannot swim,

436
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: that is what they reported. And black kids drown it

437
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: nearly three times the rate of their white counterparts in

438
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: this country. Yeah. But now, now, now, now, when you

439
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: dropped the statistics like that, Yes, that sounds like a

440
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: strategy right there. Not three times wow, three times. That's

441
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking drowning black babies, you know what

442
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: I mean? That is not good. That is and people

443
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: need to hear to see, see put your kids in

444
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: the water, because that's crazy. I didn't know. I didn't

445
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: know it was like that. That's wild. So I I

446
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: wanted to look up where the origin of this is, right, like,

447
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: why is it that all of this is happening? And

448
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: it seems like the cause is largely related to and

449
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: you talked about this earlier access. So in the late

450
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: nineteenth and early twentieth century, there were almost no pools

451
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: being built in predominantly black areas. They're they're like saying emphatically,

452
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: we are not building swimming pools in places where black

453
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: people live. Then the twenties and thirties come around and

454
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: they start to actually build public pools all over UH cities,

455
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: all over these larger sort of like urban areas. However,

456
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: it's also kicking into the era where we start to

457
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: do the separate but equal ship right where they basically say,

458
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: like you get a swimming pool, you get a swimming pool,

459
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: y'all can't swim together. However, the white swimming pools that

460
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: they're building, these large, white public swimming pools, I'll read

461
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: you some of the description that they had for them.

462
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: It's basically some of them were larger than football fields,

463
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: surrounded by grassy lawns and concrete sun decks. However, the

464
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: black ones, the pools that black people were assigned to,

465
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: were often extremely small, indoors and had none of the

466
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: comparable amenities. Wow. Yeah, So basically white people get to

467
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: go lounge on like a fake beach and black people

468
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: get to go into like a school auditorium with like

469
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: a bucket in the middle of it. That is ridiculous.

470
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: But and and that's all I would think about even

471
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: growing up, because as it as it gotten down to,

472
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: like us trying to be as competitive as our counterparts,

473
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: we just it was really no chance, you know what

474
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I was going to a school that

475
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: was like forty minutes away, and then the pool was

476
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: another forty minutes away. So I'm only practicing once out

477
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: of the day, which is after school, as opposed to

478
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: my counterparts, the pool is at their school, so they

479
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: start their warning swimming, they go to classes, and then

480
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: they go to back to practice in the afternoon. So

481
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: now I'm competing against someone who's training twice a day

482
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: is way more convenient for them. And and that's that's

483
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: the disadvantage. That was a disadvantage growing up for yeah,

484
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: the inside of time and even to your earlier point,

485
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: it also is even if like functionally you and your

486
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: your mom had figured out some way of transporting you

487
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: to this space, it's still also is a separate check

488
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: that needs to be like written out to make sure

489
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: that you're getting the same amount of practice that it

490
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: is already cooked into the bill of you know, white education,

491
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: the white upbringing, like they have the pool already a

492
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: part of their daily lives exactly, yep, yep, yep, ye wow.

493
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: So to that that same point, and this is an

494
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: example of sort of like the differences in these experiences

495
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen thirties and St. Louis. Black Americans

496
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: represented fifteen percent of the population in that city, which

497
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: is surprisingly low for St. Louis. That's the Niggas city.

498
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: But the point is they only took one and a

499
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: half percent of the number of swims in the city

500
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: one and a half percent because they were only allocated

501
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: one small indoor pool, whereas the white residents of St.

502
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: Louis had access to nine pools, two of which were

503
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: as large and sort of like sprawling as the ones

504
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: that I described earlier. So it's nothing but but white

505
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: people with resources and black people with one real sad

506
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: chlorine tank. Exactly. I'm just grateful that, you know, I

507
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: grew up in Atlanta where my coach, My coach didn't

508
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: play dad, he was. He was just a huge advocate

509
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: for US swimming, and he also went out of his

510
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: way to make sure we had access to get to practice,

511
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: even to the point where he'll pick us up. He

512
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: also assisted with like our swimming fees. So I'm just yeah,

513
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: my shout out to coach Tommy um Tommy Jackson. Uh.

514
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: He he's been in the game board years years, at

515
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: minimum five decades of coaching, and he actually took a

516
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: black Haitian swimmer to the Olympics. The last Olympics, Nicole.

517
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess up her last name, um

518
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: and she she made it to the Olympics. So that

519
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: was a big deal for him because that was like

520
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: one of his goals to have a you know, one

521
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: of us. Like even now, he's still be trying to

522
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: get us back in the pool and I'll be like,

523
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: let let it, let me go, let go, like let it.

524
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: But you could do Bassard, let it, let it go.

525
00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm not. So he's like a real terror sour typing that. Yeah,

526
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: swim Boys, I don't know what I think it was called.

527
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: That's what it was. I called it swim Boys, but

528
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: it's called Pride. Yeah, that's terrible. Don't do that again.

529
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: I never watched that movie. But they they we had

530
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: jobs too, so it was like when it when it

531
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: did get difficult, we worked as light guards during the summer,

532
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: so we were able to train, practice, you know, and

533
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: and work and make some money. So yeah, shout, I

534
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: see him but doing that. But as you can see,

535
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: they was trying to they was trying to hold us back.

536
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: And I think I think even more to that point

537
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: that also and you talked about this earlier that you

538
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: for you, I assume for a while maybe you still

539
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: do it, but you were teaching swim classes, and that

540
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: that is how you create culture. It isn't just put

541
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: a person in a swimming pool and teach them to swim.

542
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: It's make it so that not only as are my

543
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: relationships in the water, but my money is in the water.

544
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: My community as a whole is connected to this space.

545
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: So I always have a reason to go back, which

546
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: is an essence what white people intentionally were We're making

547
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: sure wasn't happening for these black people in the twenties

548
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: and thirties, and I felt like still low key to

549
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: this day, but people are making it a point to

550
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: do what they gotta do. Yes, So one of the

551
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: things that I think is worth addressing because obviously, in

552
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: in many cities there were actual policies being put in

553
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: place to ensure that black people were designated to specific pools,

554
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: but that wasn't actually an option everywhere. The separate but

555
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: equal thing wasn't wasn't fully a thing that they could

556
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: make into law in every single city, in every single state.

557
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: And so what white people did if they were in

558
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: a state or a city that didn't allow for separate

559
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: but laws would. They used violence essentially, So there are

560
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: plenty of instances. For example, there's a pool that sort

561
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: of became infamous during this time in Highland Park, Pittsburgh,

562
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: where white swimmers weren't encouraged to beat any black people

563
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: who entered the water at their public pool. That like,

564
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: they had multiple instances of like black boys like hopping

565
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: the fence or making it into the swimming pool and

566
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: then they were told to beat them and dunk them

567
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: until they ran for their lives out of the water.

568
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, And just imagine if that was your daddy,

569
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: you ain't never learning to swim ever in your life.

570
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's traumatic as hell. And you also have

571
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: to assume that these are young kids, because that's who

572
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: would break into a swimming pool. I don't know a

573
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: lot of Like again, I'm thirty four, my knees ain't

574
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm not hopping fences no more. I'm pretty comfortable. If

575
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: you don't let me through the door, I will go home.

576
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: At sixteen, I would have high the ship out of

577
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: offense and had a good time in the pool that

578
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be in and those kids are

579
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: then being attacked by grown men who are presuming to

580
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 1: protect I guess they're they're innocence by by getting these

581
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: black people out of the pool. It's because they know

582
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna be them a day own game too. That's

583
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: that's really, really really when it comes down, you give

584
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 1: it to us be better than you. That's that's and

585
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: and and even even as we were growing up, it

586
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: was just like you training twice today, I'm training once

587
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: a day, and we had the same yet the same block.

588
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: What's up if it really boils down, So it's like,

589
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: because you know I'm gonna be better than you, right,

590
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: and this you're saying, this is a deep seated fear,

591
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: like I could take the position you've built so much

592
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: pride in, and so subsequently you just tried to keep

593
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: me out there will make people act and show their acts.

594
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: You got grown men being kids, and it's just like, yeah,

595
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: yeah it does, because you know, you know what it

596
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: is so more to that that conversation of fear. Then

597
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: in the forties and fifties, so thirties and twenties and thirties,

598
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: they're beating ass and U and I guess not taking

599
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: names in the swimming pool. But then in the forties

600
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: and fifty these segregation laws start to drop away. Right,

601
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: They're no longer able to to segregate the swimming pools

602
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the way that they planned. And so instead what happens

603
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: is something called white flight. A bunch of the white

604
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: swimmers that previously we're going to these public pools decide

605
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: they no longer want to be a part of these

606
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: public communities and instead start building private pools in their

607
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: own communities and or in their own homes. That country club, yeah,

608
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: golf clubs. All the clubs start to build their ship

609
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: or I just build one in my backyard, and I

610
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: avoid any interaction with niggers anywhere, you know what I mean?

611
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: Goes back to money, resources, privileges, luxuries, things that are

612
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: not affording to everyone. And ah that just I love

613
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: a good tired gas just right, just somebody can't even

614
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: bring themselves to to finish how frustrated they are in

615
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: this all experience. And this is where it gets even

616
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: more insane, because they start to run to these country clubs,

617
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: these golf clubs, these private facilities. And then that shift

618
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: subsequently makes the government stop putting resources into public facilities,

619
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: which means that the public pools that did exist either

620
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: get shut down or stop getting the maintenance that they deserve,

621
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: and black people are once again left without any options

622
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: for swimming, which is why today we have so few

623
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: public pools and why so few black people even feel

624
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: a willingness to go to them. Yes, it's real, tiring,

625
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: dog exhausted. Let's let's turn this, uh this fun game

626
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: for a second, because this part I've always found pretty

627
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: hysterical and I'm curious to hear your thoughts as a

628
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: a black swimmer. There's also a conspiracy theory that I

629
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: think is so funny that white people believe the reason

630
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: black people can't swim is because we have denser bones

631
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: than our white counterparts. That we are we are bones

632
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: are are basically heavier and denser, and it makes us

633
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: less prone to fractures. But it also means that we

634
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: sink when we get in the water. Your thoughts, Boy,

635
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: why people come up with anything? Who said it doll bad?

636
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: They got the heavy bones they can Okay, so that

637
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: is this is what white people made up. Well, it's interesting,

638
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you said made up because, as it

639
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: turns out, and I did some research. I thought I

640
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: similarly thought this was completely made up. But as it

641
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: turns out, there is some evidence to suggest that bone

642
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: to city is higher in black people versus our our

643
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: white counterparts. However, the the density that we're talking about

644
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: is not enough to make a difference in our buoyancy,

645
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And certainly not the

646
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: buoyancy of the entire race. This is sort of like

647
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: an averaging out that basically says that Black people oftentimes

648
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: require less vitamin D and less calcium than our white counterparts,

649
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: and we do technically report less fractures than than white people.

650
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: And it would go back to the significance because even

651
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: as you look at babies, as you said, people for

652
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: wotom in pools, and it's a natural instinct for us

653
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: to swim, you feel me like just as being as

654
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: a human. So why would someone now try to dissect

655
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: that into yeah, yeah, heah, y'all bones too heavy anyway,

656
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: so let it go, Yes, like that, that's why it

657
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: sounds made of even if there is some truth around,

658
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not about to be that serious for

659
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: us not to be able to swim. Exactly, It's not

660
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: enough to keep us from swimming, and to your your

661
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: earlier point, it really is just a way of justifying

662
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: the racism that they already are sort of trying to

663
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: see to see through, right. Like another example of the

664
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: things that they they started to say in order to

665
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: keep black people from entering public pools back in the

666
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: twenties and thirties was they argued that black people were

667
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: dirtier than white people, that they were just say a

668
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: filthier because you know, like our pink color is gonna

669
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: come off obviously, Like you put water to this, and

670
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like immediately, just the whole poems and

671
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: be black, you know, so you look at me and

672
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: see that I'm gonna leave a whole lot of black everywhere. Well,

673
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: they not only did they claim that black people were dirtier,

674
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: but they also can claim that by allowing them into

675
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: the water, more transmittable diseases we're going to be spread

676
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: by our presence, by the physical presence of black people

677
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: in a public pool. And the dumbest ship ever, it's

678
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: all dumb. My favorite, second favorite, my favorite of them,

679
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: dense ass bones. My second favorite example of why they

680
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: also were afraid of black people getting in the water

681
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: is because they were They specifically especially were afraid of

682
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: the possibility that black men would be swimming in public

683
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: spaces with white women. That they thought that black men,

684
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna use this opportunity to take advantage in some

685
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: form of these white women by either brushing up against

686
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: them under the water, or seducing them with their their

687
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: ethnic bodies, just whatever they could do to to get

688
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: white women attracted to them or uncomfortable around them. This

689
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: was their way of protecting their precious whites, you know

690
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, the precious white women that are fighting

691
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: for the feminism every day. As we see here the

692
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: arguments that they made, and I think similar to the

693
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: ones that we were talking about earlier, it is all

694
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: a justification to make them feel girl. Yeah, stop paying up.

695
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: You're very mean to them. You don't care for them

696
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: at all. You just don't want us to be mean

697
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: to them the way you're mean to them. So the

698
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: last thing I'll run past you because I do think

699
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: that this is a an interesting point that I sort

700
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: of found myself digging into. You went in all in this. Yeah,

701
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, this is literally all I have is talking

702
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: to people over the podcast. It's it's my life now,

703
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: and I hate my life to end it all someday,

704
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: but for now, this is all I got, so I

705
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: don't I'm assuming you're familiar with Simone manuals. She she's

706
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: the black woman who won gold at the Olympics. She's

707
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: sort of like a person that keeps getting pointed to

708
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: as like an exceptional swimmer, this awesome person, blah blah

709
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And one of the things that I

710
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: found myself sort of realizing as I was unpacking some

711
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: of this research, and I'm very curious to hear your

712
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: thoughts on this, is that I don't actually think that

713
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: it's good for us anymore to keep sort of like

714
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: pointing at black people and saying they're the first black

715
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: person to do this thing, the first black women to

716
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: win a gold medal in swimming, or black woman to

717
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: do this or this or this whatever, because it is

718
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: now becoming justification for white people to say that the

719
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: systemic oppression that has been in place for generations is

720
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: not actually a problem. That like every time we sit

721
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: around and just over celebrate ourselves for being the first,

722
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: we're only making a weird sort of exceptionalism in that

723
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: individual and not actually allowing white people to see the

724
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: way that systemic oppression is attacking all of us. Yeah,

725
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: I think there's always uh a yet in a yang

726
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: with everything and and and to that point, I honestly

727
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: understand why it would make sense to not do that. However,

728
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: Comma growing up, you know, little Kalia, just well, this

729
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: is the thing. Presentation does matter, you know, and like

730
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: growing up you know, you you even have me and

731
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: my sister in a predominantly white sport with with so

732
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,479
Speaker 1: much potential, we could have been the first Simone what's

733
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: her last name manuals manuals, right, But when you don't

734
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: see that and when it's not common, and then it

735
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: disconnects that belief. So I know, for a long time,

736
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: even in being something so great, there was a lack

737
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: of vision because there was no simone manuals, you understand.

738
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: So that's why sometimes that praise is important because you know,

739
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, the youth need to see it, They need

740
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: to know that they're capable, and it is an opportunity

741
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: for them to do this, not to tell right people,

742
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: not in the same sentence to be like, you're white people, Okay,

743
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: now y'all are doing good. But in a sense of Okay,

744
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: we need to see that this is something that we

745
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: can accomplished and it needs to continue to be strong

746
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: for because if if not, it will continue to just

747
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: be once someone manuals ever so often you understand what

748
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I I like that point because I

749
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: do think that it in some ways I think I

750
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: I feel like what I'm hearing is it's more important

751
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: for us to use representation to show us then that

752
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: is to show white people. And maybe that is the

753
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: danger of the representation that that I'm talking about, and

754
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: where we can kind of meet in the middle of

755
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: this ship is saying that, Like, I don't think it's

756
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: good for us to keep announcing to white people, look

757
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: how good we can be. I think it's more important

758
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: to announce to each other, look how good we can be,

759
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: and ignore whatever the white interpretation of that is, and

760
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: not even look how good, Look how good you are?

761
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: We we are great, we are amazing. We don't and

762
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 1: and and we never hear that. We haven't been hearing

763
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: that for so long, so that that's the whole idea.

764
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: I'll never I took a trip to Ghana recently and

765
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: it was three little girls at the resorts swimming, and

766
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: I had to sit back and be like, damn, I

767
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: don't even really remember what I looked like as a

768
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: little girl in the pool, you know. And so I

769
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to go over there and teach, and

770
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: they was like they were elated to see that I

771
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: could swim, you know what I mean, And they were

772
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: like even more excited to show me that they could swim,

773
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: like and it wasn't as like they were just learning

774
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: and you know, like look what I could do putting

775
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: their face of the water. But now they have a

776
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: vision of like, okay, like even as an adult, this

777
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: is something I can continue to do and be great at.

778
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: And so I think those that's that's just way more

779
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: important than than you know, clearing white people's conscious or

780
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: or thinking that these this is where the effort is

781
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: going into because it's it's so much it's so much

782
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: greater than that. It's so much greater than and I

783
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: just I just know what it is to be a

784
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: little girl, and and it was it just wasn't there.

785
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: So you had no clue. You you're just painting on

786
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: a blank canvas. So just imagine how great your picture

787
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: will be if you already kind of see how amazing

788
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: the picture is. It's gonna be even better. So we

789
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: gotta keep that in mind. And and just just let

790
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: people know we got the sauce. And no matter how

791
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: many times they build the pool and take it down,

792
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: we listen, build your own pool, brot build your own pool. Bro,

793
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Go ahead, put your people this sliming

794
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: license and get your grass in the water. How about that?

795
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: All right? Well you're already here first, folks, to get

796
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: your ass in the water and build your own pool. Bro.

797
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back with more

798
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: of me. Now your money. More. My mama told me

799
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: we are that. No, no, no, yeah, we're back here

800
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: with Moremni Monti more. My mama told me. We're still

801
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: talking about black people and swimming and Terrence Howard movies.

802
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 1: Pride is what it's called. It ain't called black boys,

803
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: It's called pride. Anyway. I'd love to play a game.

804
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: Let's play. Let's play a game. This is a fun game.

805
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: It's a classic game. It's our most classic game on

806
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: the show. It's a a fun little game. I like

807
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: to call white lies ugly. You're disgusting I'm gonna kill you.

808
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: Give me two d white lies. It's a fun game

809
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: where I amina am going to introduce to you a

810
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: classic white conspiracy, one that that white people supposedly have

811
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: held onto for quite a while now. And what I

812
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: would for you to do is just unpack for me

813
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: why you think white people care about this conspiracy theory

814
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: so much? What do you think it is inside of

815
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: this conspiracy theory that they're latching onto. What are these

816
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: sneaky motherfucker's up to? You know what I mean? Okay,

817
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: this is this is an interesting one because I had

818
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: never heard it before, and I had to do a

819
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: little bit of of research just even make sense of it.

820
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: But apparently Queen Elizabeth the First, the Queen Elizabeth the First,

821
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: not the one that's in there now, not that whole bitch,

822
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: the one that was from fifteen thirty three. She was

823
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: born in fifteen thirty three. She died in sixteen oh three.

824
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: They made a movie about her with sar Sharonan, whose

825
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: name I just learned to pronounce correctly. She's She's that

826
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: nice Irish lady that's in all the important films now. Anyway,

827
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth the First, very old lady apparently. Uh, some

828
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: people believe that she was born a man, that she

829
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: was actually a man, and that she wasn't born a man.

830
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: Excuse me, that she was replaced, but she died very

831
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: young and was replaced by a young boy who looked

832
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: like her and basically held that position for the remainder

833
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: of Queen Elizabeth the first life. And that's the reason

834
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: why she never had sex with anybody. She didn't, she

835
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: didn't bone apparently, she was she was completely like a

836
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: virgin apparently. And the reason she was like that is

837
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: because they claimed that she was a boy. This is

838
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: a lot for you to take in it. But my

839
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 1: question for you, Amina is why do you think white

840
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: people are holding onto this conspiracy so tightly? I mean,

841
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: did she not have any kids? Like? What? What? What

842
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: is it is? The is it the lack of a legacy?

843
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: Is it she ugly? Like I'm I'm That's all I

844
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: could think of. She was uh said to have been

845
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: a homely woman. And I don't believe that she did

846
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth have a child because Queen she had no children.

847
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: So that's yeah, that's that's all I can think of.

848
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: Because like people come up with reasons especially in those times.

849
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: It's like she could be out there chopping wood and

850
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, she's definitely a man, you know

851
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like anything that would be out

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Speaker 1: of what a woman was constructed of supposed to be doing.

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Speaker 1: That's why they will come up with this this I

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Speaker 1: just what this is. This is themb But yeah, so

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Speaker 1: because she ain't had our kids. Yeah, like once once

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Speaker 1: a woman didn't have kids. Now everybody has to come

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Speaker 1: up with reasons like she's a witch or you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, like like all she got a disease

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Speaker 1: or lights like everything gotta be reasons just to explain

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Speaker 1: that one little thing. So that's the first thing that

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Speaker 1: that that the patriarchy is so embedded exactly the way

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Speaker 1: that we interpret women, that the fact that she she

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Speaker 1: did not bear children meant that if there wasn't a

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Speaker 1: magical explanation to that behavior it, we couldn't make sense

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Speaker 1: of a woman existing in this way. Exactly. Yes, thank

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Speaker 1: you so eloquent. You know again, that's all I have.

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Speaker 1: I won't have it much longer. I'm gonna end it all.

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Speaker 1: But while I'm here, my job is to repeat back

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Speaker 1: I mean I think we did it. I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: think we we nailed this episode. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: This was a great time having people. Hell yeah, could

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Speaker 1: if you have any conspiracy theories of your own, if

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Speaker 1: you have anything that you would like me to see,

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Speaker 1: you can send it to my Mama pod at gmail

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