WEBVTT - Ep. 308: Render - Turkey Showdown 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 My name is Clay Neukleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:21.400 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.720 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.560 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.560 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:39.280 we explore. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:54.440 Sounds good, I love Yeah, my wife gets mad. I'd 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.040 say a probably rather turkey out and breathe. There. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.480 Nobody that's married and turkey hunts. They've all heard that. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:02.840 I know. 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:07.600 That's pretty good. Bear. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:14.839 Yeah, sounds good. Beard, Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.000 It's Turkey Week. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.760 It's it you guys may not have known it, but 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.200 it's Turkey week at Meat Eater. That's what I heard, 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:26.720 which means all turkey, all day, all week. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:29.720 Non stop turkey action. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.920 Non stop. Tune in for non stop turkey action. Sound 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:40.000 like a nineteen The turkeys don't stand a chance. We 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.320 are going to talk about turkeys today and it's time. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:43.720 Holy cow. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.440 Down here or depending on where you're at, we could 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.600 be up here for some people, but down here for 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.640 a lot of the country. In Arkansas, Man the Red 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.920 buds or budding. Did you notice that on the way 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:56.280 here came? 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:56.560 Man? 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.680 Whenever I started on the interstate south, it was just 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.800 like green. Yeah yeah, it's not as green back home. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:08.120 Yeah yeah, Well it's uh, there are red buds out there. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.519 What's happening? And it's a mess. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.160 It's the same scenario when you get this south here, 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.920 back towards Riley, of towards Mountainburg. From there on south, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.200 it's even twice as green as it is up this way. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:23.320 I've heard somebody say that for every I believe it 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.160 was every ten miles south you drive, spring comes a 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:27.840 day earlier. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:29.440 That's probably about right. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.359 I don't know if that's I don't know if that 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.600 distance is right, but I know you drive fifty miles 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.720 south of here and it is spring is way, and 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.120 you get you know, it just keeps amplifying whether you go. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.960 But it's time, man. Uh, the when the red buds 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.720 start to pop, Turkey start to gobble. Have you heard 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:49.960 of turkey gobble yet this year? 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:50.080 Mo? 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.160 No, but I haven't been out to listen. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:52.880 It hadn't been out. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:53.240 Yeah. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.000 Well we we have with us today. I've got most Shepherd, 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.680 longtime bear Grease favorite Turkey. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.120 He's real greasy. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.120 Yeah, he's greasy. I've got Josh Lambridge, filmmaker Bear John Newcomb, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.880 and Cameron Tidwell. Yes, sir from Missouri, Yes, sir, very 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:10.760 southern Missouri. You're almost Arkansas. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.519 I'm almost Arkansas. Yep, yep. Grew up in pe Ridge, Yeah, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:15.440 peer Ridge, Arkansas. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:16.480 And then he left the state. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.640 Then I left and found I left for the turkeys. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:21.360 Yeah. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.959 And my wife's from Missouri, the fact that's right. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:27.600 Yeah. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:33.680 So, just as a little introduction, Moe and Cam are 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:39.440 arch rivals at the annual Black Bear Bonanza al Hoodolph. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.320 I'm happy when he doesn't show up. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.920 They know, for multiple years y'all competed against each other, 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.400 and there's there's always this big pool of people that 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.720 are doing a natural Voice alhu which we have with 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.280 the Natural Voice Alhoot competition at the Black Bear Bonanza, 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:01.200 and the it's a blind judging panel, and they're probably 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.440 gonna have to move me off the panel because I 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:08.120 did so much. I know who's calling. But there'll be 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.080 new people up there every year, and it's always the same. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.680 It's been the same three. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.280 Except when I wasn't there last year and the year 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.880 before Moe and Brian were not in it, and then 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.680 it was like taking candy from a baby. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.640 Yeah, when I won. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.000 The second time, Yeah, so you've won that content. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.600 Yes, I have beat Mo and Brian once. Yeah, but 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.080 then the second time they were not there. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.040 I think I think read you beat me though that 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.640 year before that is because after it all, I was 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.440 talking claim he said, I kind of recognized your al 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.000 went there and. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.200 I was penalizing you. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.280 No, no, that's not true. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.360 But Mo, you've come in second place like multiple. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.080 Times, yeah, three times, three times. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.080 That it's pretty consistent of won twice. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:57.080 And then what's Brian's last name? Cobb Cobb, brianbb and. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.560 He's won, He's won two times. I've won twice and 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:02.479 coming and three times. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.159 And Moe's always a bridesmaid, never a bride. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.480 But you got to be pretty good to place the 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:09.400 same time every year. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:09.800 True. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:16.400 Yeah, well, uh no, bears getting a pretty good ol 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.080 hoot getting there, getting there. Maybe one day you'll be 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:20.920 up there on the stage. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.520 But if you just cruise down the road in your truck, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:25.120 just hooting, just. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.640 About I'll tell you the most like developmental time in 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.159 my owl hooting journey was whenever a bunch of owls 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.480 flew up to me and they just started like hooting 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.760 in a circle, and I just listened to him. And 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.800 then every now and then I would jump in and 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.800 they would all kind of stop and look at me. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.640 I mean, they like knew I was there, but I 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.600 was just like replicating them. Yeah, I would say my 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.080 ole hoot like got a lot better. Progressed quite a 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.159 bit just from listening to real owls, oh one percent. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.279 I mean they're easy to call in. We've had an 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.239 owl that's actually been coming to our house. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:05:58.400 Mo. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:05:59.600 That's that. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.800 I just stepped out of the porch the other night 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.600 and heard him about three hundred yards away, and I 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.880 owled and came back in the house, and you know, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.720 fifteen minutes later, he's in one of these trees like 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.280 right here, and uh yeah, we had we had the 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.760 windows open and you could hear him and I'd owl 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.080 at him and we had a little fun little deal 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:21.200 this morning. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.719 I called it an owl listen for turkeys. Really yep, yep. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.240 I actually have it on video on my phone. But 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.680 he started hooting turkey's goblin and I could hear him 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.680 getting closer, and he, I mean he flew, he just 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.080 landed right above me this morning. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.320 Yeah, where the turkey's answering him? 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.000 Uh, they were answered me, and then they'd flown down 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.440 and by the time he was amped up, they'd stopped goblin. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.120 How many did you hear this morning too? Too? Did 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:48.000 they gobble pretty good? 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.279 They gobbled really well this morning. Actually it's crisp and uh, yeah, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:53.440 they gobbled good today. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.880 Yeah. So what's the earliest you've ever turkey hunted? Mo 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.120 legally legally. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.880 Serious? Think? 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.600 No, have you ever hunted Mississippi? 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:14.040 I've never hunted Mississippi, but I've hunted, Uh, I've hunted 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.920 in Oklahoma's every year ago the season opened the it 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:23.119 was a twenty something of March, and then the earliest 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.000 I've ever hunted darkest all I used to open all 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.160 the time on April the first. So that's the earliest 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.080 dates I've ever turkey hunted is Yeah, is April the first? 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.320 And other than youth hunts, now I have I'll member 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.600 back that up years ago when I and I still 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.360 take youth hunts out. But uh, there's been a time 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.000 or two where the youth hunt was a full week 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.600 ahead of our season. We don't in April the first, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.680 So the youth hunt was, you know, the twenty March 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.200 twenty sixth, twenty fifth, twenty sixth something other of march. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.000 So I have I have taken youth youth kids out 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.040 on that hunt during during the march. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.040 Have you ever hunted Florida? 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.480 Never hunted Florida, But I have killed turkey Mississippi hunted 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.360 there one time. It's the only place I've ever hunted 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.800 where I the gobbler. Never heard of Gobble, called him 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.560 up cold, no seen him, put the stock on him. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.280 Killed, Yeah, bush com Oni, sure did. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.840 Sure, there's man, I don't. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:16.120 I don't. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.400 I don't have any shame in bushwhacking one. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.320 If it if it's just what it takes, that is well, 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.960 I don't know how you'd have killed one. There was 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.760 a flock of him and they wouldn't do nothing. So 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.160 I just there was literally so like it was a 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.079 public place and you could tell they, uh, they lo 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.880 would like flood it for waterfowl hunting. So it was 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.959 huge levees and there was one tree out and that 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.839 I could see from the bottom, and that turkey was 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.160 standing underneath that tree. So I just ran and got 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.440 to the climb where I could see that tree popped 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.719 up and I couldn't see him, and I looked and 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.880 he was right here, and he took off run and 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.080 I shot him about thirty five yards, got him, got him. 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:58.120 Got him. 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:05.480 Well, Josh, you've you've you've never had it out of state, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.920 not out of state. No, yeah, hey, I gotta show 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.640 y'all this. I gotta show y'all this. Uh hey, mo, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.240 you see that picture on the back. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:16.400 Of that who whoo? 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:20.000 Who is that? Looks like mister Clay Newton. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:27.040 Yes, sir, this is the Phelps Prime cuts. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.520 Uh Diephram probably gonna tell me next that was named 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:31.360 after you or something that. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.000 I'm choking up over here that my name's on that call. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.959 Me and Jason Phelps we really worked on he sent me. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.520 I told him what I wanted in a call. I 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.240 basically wanted the best of both worlds, which which was, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.680 to me, a call that I could purr on real 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.800 light perr and KICKI run, but also had like some 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.160 real raspy yelps. And I'm not the best caller in 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.199 the world. I mean, I'm really the best caller here. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.000 But ford's your sharkout throwing around that way chair. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.559 I don't glam to be the best turkey collar in 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:15.439 the world. But uh, but I I like to call 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.480 turkeys and I used to. I probably used to be 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.839 a little more serious about it than I than I 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.959 am today. But uh but I wanted I wanted one 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.320 that I could really let me. Let's see see how 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.040 this translates to podcasting. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:49.640 Ah h yeah, let's hear some soft pearse. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:56.319 Now that's a soft as I got there, you go. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.000 I like it, though, And I like that it's a brown, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.439 a brown call. I don't. I don't like a call 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.559 that's uh colored like a turkey's head. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:11.719 You know what. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.800 Like, Yeah, all these really bright calls, and and you know, 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.080 we make some of them, uh and I I told, 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.000 I told Jason that we need to make them. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:23.320 Now. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:25.400 They're harder to see if you lose them on the ground. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.400 But like that coffee down on the. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.360 Ground and you're searching for it, that's Jill's. 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.719 Gary Nucomb taught me when I was a kid not 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.880 to use a blue mouth turkey call, because you know, 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.439 you're carrying around your mouth. I mean sometimes, I mean, you, 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.800 God forbid somebody do this. But it happens where you 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.840 see color and you assume that it's a turkey head. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.600 But uh, anyway, I like the color of this call 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:52.600 it's brown. 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:52.839 Yeah. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.559 I see people I run across people out in the 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.520 woods clay that and I've told them when I met him, 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.839 they'll have like a they'll have on their hat and stuff. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.679 And I don't know whether they're going to put a 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.160 whole head and down a lot of them just have 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.520 you know, a face wrap around or whatever. And they'll 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.559 have a hat on like a camo hat, you know, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.840 have a bright red or something other like a Turkey's 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.720 emblem on it or something other. And I say, hey, man, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.240 I wouldn't be wearing that with why And then I 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:16.880 tell them why? 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.719 Yeah, Yeah, I've had friends. Have you ever, I know 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.600 you've never been shot. Have you seen anybody or been 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.880 like in close proximity to somebody being shot? 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.439 Never been in close proximity. But I know of a 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.680 couple of people that's been shot or shot at close 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.080 and you know, not heard or anything. But had one 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.400 time happened to me where a guy was was slipping 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.760 up on me. It was actually crawling like Indian crawling 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:45.240 on the ground, coming right towards me. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.800 Now, was he here in a real turkey gobble and 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.319 you were just in between him or did he Yeah. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.880 He was trying to sneak up on the turkey and 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.160 you thought I was a hen. But I'm saying when 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.920 I seen him, I just stood up and hollered real 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.439 loud at him, said, hey, man, I'm a hunt you know. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.600 And he kind of freaked out. He stood up and yeah, 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.520 and I didn't get talked to him. He took off 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:05.959 the other way. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:10.120 So he took off. Yeah, man, Bear, I'm Bear's hunting 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.000 some places that have a lot of pressure. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:13.520 And I do. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.000 Yeah, yeah, and and I do too. But just in 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.599 the last year, he he was hunting a lot of 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:24.880 places and uh, man, did that makes me nervous? 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:25.480 Uh? 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.360 One time I was at at our turkey camp. I 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.079 actually was off hunting, but my were you there, Josh? 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.480 You were with You were with me probably and lost 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.040 and we were we were off hunting and a guy 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.200 had been shot and there was a doctor at our camp, 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:49.040 John Mesco. And this guy came to our camp and 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.680 because he knew that John Mesco was there, doctor. 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.440 John Mescoe, and uh in seventeen pellets. 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.800 Yeah, he took off his shirt. Basically, it was like, hey, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.199 what do I need to do. I'm did John pull 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.079 out his pocket knife and start plucking? 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.640 He may have, but he said you could go to 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.760 the emergency room, but they're probably not gonna do anything. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:08.560 Yeah. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.280 Look, they would just leave the pelot in there. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:13.080 If they weren't lead. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:14.360 Yeah. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.720 Yeah, I think the guy just finally was like, well, okay, 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:18.400 I guess I'll just. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.760 He wasn't incapacitated or anything. He just has pelots in him. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.840 Yeah, people get killed an older man. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.080 An older man had shot him, saw something white or 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.080 blue on the back of his shirt and shot at him. 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:32.560 Yeah. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.800 But these new heavy loads, boy, it seems it's Yeah, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.160 it seems like it could be more consequential. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.880 You know, are people that carry a fan on public land? 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.440 I don't think that's very It's risky. It's pretty risky. Yeah, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.520 even on private land in as it's risky. But you 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.960 don't always know what he's out there, especially on cam. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:56.640 What do you think about fan in Turkeys? Just like 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.880 from you know, there's this ethical debate about whether it's ethical. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.160 I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I mean, I've done 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.480 it before and it's fun, but it ain't my number 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.720 one way to do it. No way do I think 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.920 it's unethical. Depends on how bad of a season you're having, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:19.120 but generally no, don't fan. Yeah, that's just I don't know. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.880 Normally just don't have to. I don't like carrying them, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.600 carrying around, don't like messing with the decoys very much. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.160 Yeah, I'm in the same boat as Cam. I don't. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.800 I've never used a fan on one and decoys I 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.000 might use twice in a whole year, and it has 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.600 to be a special situation. And usually it's like when 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.080 I'm taking somebody else, like an elderly person or a kid, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.880 to try to keep a turkey's attention off of the 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.320 kid moving or something other like that. So yeah, yeah, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.200 I read As far as myself, I hardly, I hardly 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:50.640 ever use it. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.880 You're on thick woods, you're not a lot of field edges, and. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.200 No, no, I don't hunt hardly, unless, like I said, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.760 I sometimes I take you on some private name where 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.560 I have permission to hunt. But I hardly every hunted myself. Yeah. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:03.880 Like I've got a mother in law that she'll be 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.280 eighty one this year. I don't know if she'll get 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.360 to go this year, but I've took her in years past, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:08.920 and it's three or four year ago. I took her 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.720 to friend mine's private place and set up some decoys 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.120 and called in a nice gullar for and I think 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.760 she was seventy six at the time, you know, and 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:16.640 she was able to take it. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:17.160 S awesome. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.760 Yeah, you know, there's there's there's an ethical question about 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:21.480 fan and turkey. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:21.800 What are they? 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.680 What do they call they do? They'll call it reaping, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.240 reaping turkeysping, where basically. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.880 It's what you crawl up on them. You know, he's 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.240 a fan, you're a fan, and you advance on the 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:32.840 turkey basically. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:33.720 When he's sitting out there in the middle of a 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:35.960 than field or a cornfield or a big past year 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.040 or whatever strutt and you just pull that front on 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.880 the ground and crawl and crawl until you getting don 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:40.640 andyth and to shoot them. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.240 Well, there's a lot of people that really get worked 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.840 up about it. Have you seen this bear people? 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:45.320 People? 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.840 Well, I think it's illegal in a couple of states. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.560 It is, Yeah, and more states are making it illegal, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.880 especially on public land, because it is dangerous. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.720 Is it effective, dude, Yeah, it's effective. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.040 Oh, it's highly effective. That's part of the that's part 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.200 of the I don't that's the reason they're making it illegal, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.200 but that's that's part of it. Is it's like, oh, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:09.440 that's not turkey hunting. Yes, anytime people start talking about 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.040 that kind of stuff, with any kind of hunting, I 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.200 always go, man, you better you live in a probably 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.840 live in a glass house if you're not careful, because 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:23.199 I mean, it's like mojo decoys on duck hunting. I mean, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.560 like like action decoys that like in duck hunting, there 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.680 are no holds barred on what kind of decoys you 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.600 can use. You're trying to just get them right on 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.479 top of you, and it's legal and ethical and fine 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.200 and no big deal for the most part. And then 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.840 you know, I mean, what about putting up blinds and 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:50.040 putting out feed TSS to long rain being able to 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.879 shoot seventy five yards the average turkey gun, well I 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:54.840 don't think that's true, but the average turkey gun being 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.720 able to kill a turkey at fifty yards man, yeah. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.680 Fifty Well with TSS and three and a half inch 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.040 twelve gauges or ten gauges even you can shoot a 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.719 turkey way too far. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.000 that's where I wouldn't want to do that myself. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:09.440 You know. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.280 I like to call the turkey in, you know, that's 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.119 where you beat him whenever he comes to you. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:15.960 I like to see their eyeballs. 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:16.360 Yep. 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.600 But does it not depend on how bad a turkey 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:20.320 season you're having? 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.359 You know, I'm not going to judge you. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.520 Well, see, that's just the thing. I mean, it's it's like, 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:31.920 there comes a point when when regulations affect harvest and 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.720 I think the range of turkey. I mean, the reason 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.240 we don't use rifles is because we're. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.000 Two reason safety and limit your range on how far 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:41.960 you can shoot a turkey. Yeah. 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.400 I mean it's like, is it even spring turkey hunting 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.040 if you're shooting one at two hundred yards? 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:46.680 Yeah. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.280 But I mean at the same time, everyone's heard the 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.120 phrase like ten percent of the guys are killing ninety 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.560 percent of the turkeys. Yeah, most of those guys are 0:18:55.600 --> 0:19:00.000 not using this crutch or whatever you want to call it. 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.040 You know, let's say the vast majority aren't fanning or 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.440 shooting you know, turkeys at seventy five yards. You know, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:09.440 you know what I mean, Like the most of those 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.520 people loved a turkey hunt. That's why they're part of 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.920 that ten percent of people because they respect it and 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:16.399 they love it. 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.560 I wonder if that's really true, though, I belik you 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.719 think ninety percent of turkeys are getting killed by ten 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.760 percent of people. I mean, it's awfully convenient because that's 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.240 a good fishing statement to mister Kanp, well. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.760 Maybe not. That's don't take it them. You know what 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:33.200 I say. 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.280 You know I do. I agree with him, but I 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.840 think it's more in my opinion, everybody's opinions, but my 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.640 opinion is it's the same scenario, but I think it's 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.440