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Speaker 1: The volume. All right, man, we're back of the episode

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Speaker 1: of Club five twenty podcasts. You're still in the shot

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Speaker 1: with it's It's only right we bought it one of

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Speaker 2: We're gonna introduce my man's laugh. I'm your host.

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Speaker 1: My name is DJ Wells. Same game with me. To

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Speaker 1: my far left, I got my dog. BI should be

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Speaker 1: hearing out the pear LEAs how you was nasty.

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Speaker 3: And nasty still in the shot. But let's get to.

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Speaker 1: Its still in the shot for show man, listen to

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Speaker 1: I know your feast was always correct. You know a

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Speaker 1: lot about shoes, my man, his signature over here, the

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Speaker 1: black forces with the white laces in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: What does that shoot mean?

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Speaker 4: Man, Well, it's just about Jordan's in Chicago. Man.

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Speaker 3: It's force is cool, but it's Chicago's about Jordan's. Man

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Speaker 3: got the MJ eighty four. Man, So everybody's been about Jordan's.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine growing up in Chicago and the

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Speaker 1: New Georgians when they first dropped wile MJ is still

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Speaker 3: Well, I couldn't get him, man, I was from the hood.

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Speaker 3: Poor I ain't get him got in the game. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: but no, it's a thing here. I mean, obviously we

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Speaker 3: That's like the hottest ticket. I think still to today

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Speaker 1: They're still in the feast all around the world for show.

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Speaker 1: To my right, my dog, young Nacho, young tig. How

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Speaker 1: you what cooling?

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Speaker 2: Man, I've been waiting for this pot for a long time.

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Speaker 5: We got an og and the bill showed me a

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Speaker 5: lot of love when I first got to Atlanta, so

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Speaker 5: I appreciate him. So him to step on the pod

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Speaker 5: with us and have a good time talk hoops, talk life.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about this for show. Man. Listen, Man, we're

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Speaker 2: excited this episode. Man. He always showed love from the

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Speaker 1: Champion in college and the NBA twelve year vet. Man,

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Speaker 1: we got Chicago's very own man. Hey, Walker, appreciate you

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Speaker 1: putting on this big dog.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate having me Man, long time coming, Man, Really big

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Speaker 3: fan of what you guys are establishing this space. Man,

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Speaker 3: I know it's a big space for everybody in it,

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Speaker 3: but you guys are unique.

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Speaker 4: Man. I enjoyed watching it for sure.

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Speaker 1: Show listen, we talk about Chicago's finest man. Talk about

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Speaker 1: high school Mark Corme. We sawed off the Domino mcdad man.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh so, me and Donovan went the high school

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Speaker 3: Donovan was he was a two sport player, but great quarterback.

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Speaker 3: he got recruited to sports. A lot of people don't

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Speaker 3: one of the best athletes I've ever seen. I don't

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Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. Shout out to journeys. Back in

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Speaker 2: I got the high schol throw back. He must have

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Speaker 4: I had high school. It was a football school, so

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Speaker 3: So, you know, obviously the football program is incredible, but

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Speaker 3: So do you feel like pro football players can hoop

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Speaker 1: You gotta talk about the first time Y linked up man,

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Speaker 5: I was a young pupp in Atlanta, and you know,

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Speaker 5: So I go to the Intments, the most famous club

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that was my thing. Man.

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Speaker 3: I was really one of those dudes that, like I

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Speaker 3: This is part of my situation when I do every

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Speaker 4: But they had to really kind of game. Ain't their

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Speaker 3: So it was like one of those things when I

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Speaker 3: Freaky ty. But you know what Chicago people do. Understand Chicago,

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Speaker 4: So I think that's what it was for me.

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Speaker 3: When I got to Atlanta, I got to really experience

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Speaker 4: Now I'm actually can be able to go to it

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Speaker 3: Advantage of that show and that time period. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: I called imagined it was the first city you went

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Speaker 4: I went to Atlanta? Dallas too, Dallasallas? Dallas was Dallas

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Speaker 3: That's probably my two favorite cities to have them, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Man, listen, we gotta get to it. Man.

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Speaker 3: I just kind of loved the way he played. He

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Speaker 4: Me the mass burning highlights. He was like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: So yeah, on before you tell me all the pros shit,

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Speaker 4: I think we're the best team ever in collage basketball

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Speaker 5: But I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it to be you know, being being biased.

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Speaker 3: I would say the Marching of victory, we won, but

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Most team, most guys are

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna even frun.

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Speaker 2: What's the pros on your team?

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Speaker 3: Myself, Tony Dill, WALTI McCarty, Derek Anderson, Jeff Shepherd, Mark

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Speaker 3: Pope read pops right, Uh huh? Jeff Shepherd played in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: They'll probably pop up to me here shortly. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: we were strong man. Y'all forgot about Scott Pageant, I know.

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Speaker 2: But so y'all think you better than a book. They

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were. They were good. I wouldn't. They had

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Speaker 2: I was, I was.

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Speaker 3: I want to watch a lot of those games. I

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Speaker 1: They should the cold they superstar, especially that time period.

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Speaker 1: The competition around that time was crazy too. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: Don't you don't really put that Kentucky team in that

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Speaker 4: Same breakfast as when you talked about that.

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Speaker 2: So I was.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So it's hard, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean that Jordan. I didn't get a chance

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Speaker 3: to watch a lot of that. You know, Michael, and

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Speaker 5: And then.

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Speaker 4: Let's give respect what repect, dude, That Michigan team was tough.

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Speaker 2: For be freshman.

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Speaker 4: To be freshman, you gotta like, we gotta get them

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Speaker 2: But y'all y'all better than I give you. Yeah, y'all

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Speaker 2: blew everybody up. We don't even bring up move Kentucky

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Speaker 4: But they raised my twelve, my twelve, yeah twelve team

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Speaker 2: That was good. Yeah, but it's quiet. They had to

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Speaker 3: Moving those big t Jones Anthony Davis was Yeah, they

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Speaker 3: had a big team too.

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Speaker 4: They was loaded.

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Speaker 2: I'll been good again, But like you said, no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've been.

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Speaker 3: In the original stretch for.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you it's me stretch for probably me

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they couldn't ripe.

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Speaker 3: We was built the same because it was a lot

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Speaker 3: of It was a lot of people back then. But

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Speaker 3: I feel like you was just way more skilled than

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Speaker 3: everybody just because you had that handle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I feel like you more of a modern

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Speaker 3: when you have to play with your state. You remember

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Speaker 3: went to the Nike All American Camp. They put you

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Speaker 3: on different teams, you know what I mean. But so

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Speaker 3: So our point guard that we took, mister Irving, I

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Speaker 3: don't forget this. The point guard that we took got

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Speaker 3: hurt first day and mister Irving was like, hre you

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Speaker 3: the point I'm like what, I ain't never played point

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Speaker 3: About a fifth day, bro, I'm leaving the camp and

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Speaker 3: Stephan was right behind me. Felipe Lopez draw Ward. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's campus crazy, it's sunny camp. And

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Speaker 3: that's what took me over the top. Like I went

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Speaker 3: But it was because one of the point guards got hurt.

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Speaker 3: He just threw me the balls like you know, you

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Speaker 3: So it was it was over after that.

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Speaker 2: You always dribbling.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted, yeah, dribble, that was all my thing.

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Speaker 3: And then when I went to camp with Stepan and

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Speaker 4: So I just I started taking a liking to it.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a true story right there.

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Speaker 3: But it just threw me the ball, like you know,

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Speaker 3: you the point at All American Camp, that's like, and

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Speaker 3: I just perhams. I left the camp for like the

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Speaker 3: Man I left there. I mean, I was high five

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Speaker 5: What's it like playing for Rick Potino? So I got

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Speaker 5: job was in Boston University. My dad was on that team.

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Speaker 5: He was the point guard for bu Rick Patino's first job.

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Speaker 5: My dad said he was crazy. He said they had

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Speaker 2: Y'all was good. Was he crazy with ye? Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 3: He was. He was crazy, but he was a good

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Speaker 3: My first year was was really tough for me. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna be honest. I wanted to transfer Christmas now you

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Speaker 3: But back then, when I came out, you had to

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: But one thing about him.

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Speaker 3: He gonna get the best out of You're gonna be

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Speaker 4: He moved me from the three. I went to pros.

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Speaker 3: You know that's guarding like elite three men in the league.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So he moved me to four. He was like, you

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Speaker 3: All Star team in ninety eight. Off that that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: That was good for you.

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Speaker 3: You can always rebound, so that was that was easy,

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Speaker 4: But I can see it was ability now because I

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Speaker 3: That's that stretch started spooky going out here on the

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Speaker 3: I played all three because you remember you D was there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So Ralphs was like, yo, I played three. He loved you,

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Speaker 3: So he was like tooth Dings. He was like, yo,

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Speaker 3: He's like, So they figured it out because I played

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Speaker 3: He was like, yeah it was ten and ten.

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Speaker 4: Shaq was hurt. He was like, man, come on down,

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Speaker 4: I'm coming down fire Stand.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy, Yeah, that's crazy. What's going on with Jimmy

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Speaker 2: like for a long time, for a long time, bro

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Speaker 4: Jimmy messed up.

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Speaker 3: He went to the met don't go to the media

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Speaker 4: He got the pinion nah.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because they was talking about it like

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Speaker 1: it was an anonymous quote unquote. They was just like, hey,

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Speaker 2: And everybody like, what the fuck that means? We came

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Speaker 2: was that adjustment? Though?

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Speaker 3: From college to the NBA though at Boston because you

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys know, Man, I'm won

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Speaker 3: I had the worst record. But the best thing for me, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but for me is I played for Email car Okay,

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Speaker 3: so Email was the GM and the head coach of

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Speaker 3: So I got a chance to play through one mistakes

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Speaker 3: and get some real minutes. I mean, sometimes you come

445
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Speaker 3: and youn't getting the opportunity to do that. So he

446
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Speaker 3: let me play through my mistakes and that's why I

447
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Speaker 3: was able. I think I have like seventeen now. Was

448
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Speaker 3: they put up some decent numbers. A rookie, that's fire.

449
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Speaker 3: I was right behind Ai. You know, y'all know what

450
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Speaker 3: a I was over there. Yeah, yeah, I was cooking work.

451
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Speaker 3: But they were losing two though, but A I was

452
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Speaker 3: cooking too. So me and him ray Allen and that

453
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Speaker 3: class too, we're all doing really really good. But yeah,

454
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Speaker 3: it was just it was It was hard though, but

455
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Speaker 3: I just kind of like because I was just coming

456
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Speaker 3: from college. Man, well I just lost six games in

457
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Speaker 3: two years. Yeah, I think my first year. I think

458
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Speaker 3: my first year we lost four games. At my freshman

459
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Speaker 3: year four or five, and then we won a championship.

460
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Speaker 3: It was thirty six and two. So I hadn't lost

461
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Speaker 3: a lot in the last couple of years. So it

462
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Speaker 3: was like trying to stay focused and so they did it.

463
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Speaker 3: I was, you know, I have the credit, but I

464
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Speaker 3: played for a Hall of Fame staff. A lot of

465
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Speaker 3: people don't know that that was connected with the organization.

466
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Speaker 3: Dennis Johnson now rest of so he was on the

467
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Speaker 3: He was on that staff as well. Casey Jones was

468
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Speaker 3: on the staff as well. Tommy Heinsen obviously was calling

469
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Speaker 3: the game. So it was a lot of the old

470
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Speaker 3: guys read all back was still alive and still coming

471
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Speaker 3: to the games. So I was around a lot of traditions.

472
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Speaker 3: Jojo White, I'm thinking about everybody that was just in

473
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Speaker 3: the gym all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, it was like so it was cool.

476
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Speaker 3: So they was kind of like starting to build it

477
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Speaker 3: around a little bit. What was that old ship moment though?

478
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Speaker 3: In the NBA, Like who did you metch up with?

479
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Speaker 3: It was like, God, damn, this ain't nothing like college man.

480
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Speaker 3: Person guard me was Dennis Rodman. He's super strong man,

481
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Speaker 3: quick feet. Couldn't really score on him. That was that

482
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Speaker 3: was a challenge for me. But guarding, yeah, Tim duncan

483
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Speaker 3: Man I the playing power forward, bro, I mean footwork,

484
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Speaker 3: big dude.

485
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Speaker 4: Got all the moves.

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Speaker 2: Elite.

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Speaker 4: You can't. He ain't gonna talk to you. He doing

488
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Speaker 4: a hed and giving you no you know, you ain't

489
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Speaker 4: getting you nothing.

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Speaker 3: Back, you know, kills and then my best matchup would

491
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Speaker 3: be probably Ticket Me and had some moments so like

492
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Speaker 3: especially when I first came in the league because KG

493
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494
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Speaker 3: a lot of people in Chicago loved him for the

495
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Speaker 3: one year he came up and played Rounnie Fields. So

496
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Speaker 3: me and KG had some battles. We locked Summer League.

497
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Speaker 3: It carried over into the real games. But that's the

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Speaker 3: one guy that we have them two games we played.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be special for sure.

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Speaker 3: To be a part of that, To be a part

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Speaker 3: of that, even though it's a circus kind of like,

561
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, but it was it was

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Speaker 3: dope to see him go out the way he did

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Speaker 3: and to be a part of and the player you know,

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Speaker 3: sgnificant roll. I got like twenty some minutes that game.

565
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Speaker 3: I was like, sure, I was happy about that, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. And it was my first one too.

567
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Speaker 3: To be at Massive Square Garden and playing my in

568
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Speaker 3: my first game too was special. But it's something I'll

569
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Speaker 3: always remember. Man at that locker room, and you know

570
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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, I couldn't send in the back of

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Speaker 3: the guys. It was just the whole experience was was

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Speaker 3: was dope to be a part of that and the

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Speaker 3: in ninety eight than when he and I was you know, lucky,

577
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Speaker 3: I was party. We could talk about. That was part

578
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Speaker 3: of both.

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Speaker 4: When his last one in Washington was Washington Wizards too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy.

581
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Speaker 1: We talked we got to have cag on the show.

582
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Speaker 1: He talked about that opening situation with a lot with

583
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Speaker 1: him and Kobe. It was just like that was Kobe's

584
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Speaker 1: coming out party and were trying to put him against

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Speaker 1: my It's a legendary moment, especially for the alscer game.

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Speaker 2: We talk about Howl like Lessard is now.

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Speaker 1: Then moments help make a lot of Hooper's memories for

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Speaker 1: like good moments for basketball.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and then you know what's crazy, man, the

590
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Speaker 3: guys that you know, it was crazy. Prize money was

591
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Speaker 3: not obviously not as big back then, but guys was like, man,

592
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Speaker 3: I want this twenty thousand.

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Speaker 4: You know we're gonna win, We're gonna compete.

594
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Speaker 3: Well, these guys now getting two fifty three hund half

595
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Speaker 3: million dollars to play, it's different now.

596
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Speaker 4: But yeah, so I understand.

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Speaker 3: I see what they's struggling that because these guys probably understand,

598
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Speaker 3: but the money was different. You know, it's different now

599
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Speaker 3: you got guys making thirty forty fifty million. They like,

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Speaker 3: I ain't looking at that.

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Speaker 2: Like we just talked about that, Like you said, two

602
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. Now they sneezed at that. Boy, twenty

603
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Speaker 2: g's they not even pulling up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but gods, we played gods playing for that prize money, man, man,

605
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Speaker 3: like we was in there, they was getting it on.

606
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Speaker 3: At least that you knew that second you knew either

607
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Speaker 3: knew that third and fourth quarter is gonna be competitive,

608
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Speaker 3: even if the first and two wasn't right, but that

609
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Speaker 3: third and fourth was gonna be good for sure.

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Speaker 2: I know we talked, we kind of skipped over we

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Speaker 2: went to your.

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Speaker 5: Pro But you was part of the best draft class ever, yes, sir,

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Speaker 5: and I just wanted to point that out, like you said,

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Speaker 5: you know, you said Bubba Chuck Iris and being the

615
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Speaker 5: first pick and the list goes on. That draft class

616
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Speaker 5: was so loaded, Like did you know when you was

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Speaker 5: part of getting drafted? Did you know, like, man, I'm

618
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Speaker 5: with a bunch of killers, or you thought, like man,

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Speaker 2: One pick?

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Speaker 4: Did you now? My draft process was? It was hard.

622
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Speaker 4: I went worked out for nine teams, so I worked

623
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Speaker 4: out from two to eleven.

624
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Speaker 3: I didn't work out for the Toronto Toronto I think

625
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Speaker 3: they was picking one, so I didn't work out for them.

626
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Speaker 3: But it was hard, like you had to go in

627
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Speaker 3: there and I didn't know to the draft day, the

628
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Speaker 3: Celtics called my agent was like, look, we're trying to

629
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Speaker 3: move up and we're gonna take them. I didn't know

630
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Speaker 3: why I was going. But there was some great workouts

631
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Speaker 3: because back then I don't know how they do it.

632
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Speaker 3: Now you compete it against other guys. So like most

633
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Speaker 3: of my workouts, I went in with all the small forwards.

634
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Speaker 3: So it was like Charif Me, John Wallace, Tim in

635
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Speaker 3: that class, Dante Jones he was at Misissippi State, John Wise, Me,

636
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Speaker 3: Waltim McCarty, and my teammate.

637
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Speaker 4: So it was like six or seven of us.

638
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Speaker 3: So a lot of times you'll come to those workouts

639
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Speaker 3: and it'll be four y'all in the same workout.

640
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Speaker 4: So and that's what made it different. You were maybe

641
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Speaker 4: two teams.

642
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Speaker 3: I got to work out by myself, but all the

643
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Speaker 3: rest of them was competitive workouts, like you had three

644
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Speaker 3: four guys and then you go at it. They throwing

645
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Speaker 3: the ball in the middle like one on ones, I

646
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Speaker 3: get it on like type of shit like So that

647
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Speaker 3: that's what made it really really special. But I had

648
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Speaker 3: great workouts. I felt good leaving everywhere. I ain't you know,

649
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Speaker 3: I never felt like I didn't have a good workout,

650
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Speaker 3: and what I did that was different. Probably I don't

651
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Speaker 3: know what guys do now. I never left school, so

652
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Speaker 3: I stayed up on the coach Patino, So when I

653
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Speaker 3: put my name in the draft, I stayed working out

654
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Speaker 3: up under him. So I stayed doing the same workout.

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Speaker 3: You know, most guys put their name in the draft,

656
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Speaker 3: they going to get the car they kick up now. No, no, no,

657
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Speaker 3: I stayed locked in like I just stayed right there.

658
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Speaker 3: I didn't move until the day after I got drafted.

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Speaker 3: Then I moved out of Lexton, Kentucky. But before then,

660
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Speaker 3: I just stayed locked in. But it was different though.

661
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: You had to play like they made you play one

662
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 3: on ones and you get it on. So did you

663
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: have a mess up with Sharif in the workout?

664
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 4: No, I didn't play against Sariff.

665
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: I was a surprised Sharif because I ain't really know

666
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: much about them, you know what I mean, Like the

667
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: other guys I knew a lot about because Sharif in

668
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: there going three, so he went off the board.

669
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: Early, man, you know what, you know what I mean?

670
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: It was nice though, it was nice, but then I

671
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 3: was like he went to Van Couver. I was like cool,

672
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's truth.

673
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 2: Far.

674
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: I was like cool, I don't want to go there,

675
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So it was it was

676
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: one of those situations. But it was that that small

677
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: for and my group in ninety six was real tough.

678
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: But I mean, obviously I'm being low bias, but I

679
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: believe you guys really look at the second round picks.

680
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Steve Nash went thirteen, I mean swept No.

681
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: Steve was sixteen. I think Kobe went thirteen. So you

682
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: got to really think about that draft was so deep,

683
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: and the second round picks were really good players in

684
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: the league, you know what I mean, and they helped

685
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 3: teams out, so that that draft was really really good.

686
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: I would say it's probably the best draft.

687
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: I know.

688
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 5: They would probably say Jordans and them and all those famous.

689
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 3: One to sixties us to go all the way through,

690
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: pick out a couple of second round picks. Dudes had

691
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: some really good careers. Carry Kettles went eighty.

692
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: Socks baby, Yeah, Carry was good. Was loaded.

693
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's what I'm saying.

694
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: When you really think about it and you go through it,

695
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: you be like, man, it was a lot of good

696
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: players in this draft that had impactful NBA careers.

697
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: Most definitely, how was it man? You know, so you

698
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: get your footing at Boston and then you get your

699
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: running mate. Well, wish you allip.

700
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: It was cool, man, because see Paul came in a

701
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: situation where when coach p first took all his first

702
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: draft and then Paul had a chip on his shoulder,

703
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: y'all to know Paul supposed to went like three or

704
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: four in a draft. He slid the team. Yeah, so

705
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: he slid on us like at number ten. So we

706
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: coach pe was like, we got to steal and it was.

707
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 4: It was.

708
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: It was beautiful, man, because me and Paul, we had

709
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 3: so much respect for each other to begin it, and

710
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: our games didn't getting each other way. Yeah, if that

711
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: makes sense, you know what I mean, we didn't. You know,

712
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: he played different type of games, you know what I'm saying.

713
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: So it made it real easy for us. But we

714
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: hit it off off the court. I think that's what

715
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: I probably our best thing was that me and Paul

716
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: became friends early on, started hanging out, started building the rapport,

717
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: and that's why we was able to play, you know,

718
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: five six years together and you know, obviously we didn't

719
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: win a title. We both ended up winning one, but

720
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: we had a lot of success. We helped put the

721
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: organization at least back in respectful. You need to be

722
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: respectful again.

723
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: So that was fun. And then the crazy part. We

724
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: never argue. Man, we never got in each other way.

725
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: And Paul tough. I argue about to Paul all the time.

726
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: He won the toughest at that position. The first or

727
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 3: second year that'll had that great record, Yeah had it.

728
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: What happened was, you know, so when coach p came

729
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: in first year, we only won fifteen games my rookie years,

730
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: so we came in, we immediately jumped to thirty something.

731
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: We didn't make the playoffs though, but everybody's like, yeah,

732
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: we're right there. Then that lockout year happened and we

733
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: didn't improve. That was Paul first.

734
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: That ninety nine year, like twenty games, I think it

735
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: was like fifty two games.

736
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: We didn't make no noise. We were bad. And then

737
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: the next year is when we took off Coach Pe.

738
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: We got out to a bad start. Coach P stepped down,

739
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: Jim O'Brien stepped in, Yeah, and then we took off

740
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: at one forty nine. Yeah, okay, that was the second year. Yeah,

741
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: so it was like really like his second year that

742
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: we took off on the on the Jim O'Brien. But yeah,

743
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: coach PA, could you know, man, I played with about

744
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: fifty dudes.

745
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: In two years. You know you can't do that in

746
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: the league.

747
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

748
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: It was a revolving He wanted the press first of all.

749
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: That was that was probably the biggest problem.

750
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: That's the league. It's crazy.

751
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: That's why college coaches don't make it. He wanted the

752
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: press because doing that ship to want. So he wanted

753
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: the press. That was first of all. It was finding

754
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: guys that can really fit into that. And once that,

755
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: once that was over, then he wanted to win. You know,

756
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: you rebuilding, you know what I'm saying. So his patience

757
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: was over. He traded Chauncey Billers bro was our third

758
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: PIC said about forty games, are.

759
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: You doing.

760
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: A little more?

761
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: That's like yeah, he was, he was saying, because they

762
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 2: was taking for TIMVD.

763
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: But we got three or six three six, we get

764
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: and Ron. You know what I'm saying, we rebuilding, We're

765
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: building the team. We're going to be good.

766
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy coach that's my dog. You out of pocket,

767
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: betraying cho you first, that would have been insane, bro.

768
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: You got to think it was Chauncey, me Ron and Py.

769
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: Damn.

770
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: He could have been you know what I'm saying.

771
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: You know he got patient, But from my understanding, he

772
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: probably can tell the story different. He was in you know,

773
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: he loved Kenny and because he traded for Kenny, Kenny

774
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: was kind of like I think he was. I would

775
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: say it was out of prime, but he wasn't prime Kenny. Yeah,

776
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: but he always left Kenny from New York, so he

777
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: got an opportunity to get Kenny, so he got Kenny.

778
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: I think that was from New York stuff they had

779
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: going like that. Yeah, but that's that's what made it

780
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: special though. But man, yeah, I played with cha man,

781
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: I played half the season with.

782
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: John What's up?

783
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: Out of that would have been Yeah, that's the.

784
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: First Danny we got. Brian Stiff.

785
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: You wasn't my bro.

786
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 4: It was making me like an old man. What was

787
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: more like?

788
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 5: You know, you had your own shoe. Yeah, we had

789
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: Jason take them the same thing. It was more what

790
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 5: was better having your own shoe or being on the

791
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 5: cover of the video game.

792
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a great question. I think being on the

793
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: cover of Video.

794
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: Game Live Too that was a special Live Too.

795
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

796
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

797
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: One of the process of of going through it to

798
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: make thinking of it. It wasn't even about the bread

799
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: because the bread back then probably what they're paying now

800
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: is by quadruple what they're paying the guys now. But

801
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: just the fact that I'm gonna be in like twenty

802
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: million homes, you know what I mean Like this, that

803
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: was like the dopest part about it, making my grid.

804
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: Like we bought that game. That was yeah, before two

805
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: K that was the last one though, before he was

806
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: ninety nine, right.

807
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: I still had a run when because remember Georgia came

808
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: back on the Wizards.

809
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: And all that. I was still playing a lot of.

810
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: People, was playing a lot of time, respect now because

811
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: K had a run at the beginning on dream but

812
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: then Dream CATVI was kind of iffy until about first two.

813
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, Dreamcasts took over though. Yeah, yeah, respect,

814
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: but it was dope, dope the process like putting on

815
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: the look, the whole little spandex suit and going through

816
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: the moves. Yeah, you know, I really feel like you

817
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: gotta know, a part of they're gonna use your moves

818
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: and stuff for so I always thank my agent for

819
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: that back. I'm like, man, this is one of the

820
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: dopest deals you ever got me. You'll be able to

821
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 3: be a part of that and to see where games

822
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: are now, you know what I mean. At least I

823
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 3: can go back and through that. I can always show

824
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: that little me on the cover. I mean that was

825
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: a part of it.

826
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: Now, when you when you have on the game, did

827
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: you did you pick your team?

828
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: No?

829
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: I never wanted to play with myself, but we played

830
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: that game a lot, my boy, that you know, we

831
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 3: used to play that. That was it.

832
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 4: We played Video Man all the games. That was what

833
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 4: You ain't pick yourself, No, it's hard to pick myself.

834
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: I picked myself very single time. Shoot every time. If

835
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: I'm on the cover, like yeah, yeah, I'm fifty five

836
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: or eight every day, shoot every shot with me, and

837
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: I better be a ninety five.

838
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: I'm living out my Dreams't put the ship me.

839
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: On the game. I didn't know.

840
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: That's before graphics got real, before I got real with

841
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 2: a glitch Shippy game.

842
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't even remember doing it like it's doing

843
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 4: it for the game.

844
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: To the signature I'm trying to think about it, like now,

845
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: I don't think and I had a commercial. They didn't

846
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: even use it for the commercial either. Maybe for the

847
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: commercial they used it for the commercial.

848
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: Did you realize like at that moment you're like, man,

849
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 5: I'm a superstar or was it like still just like

850
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 5: I'm hooping. Man.

851
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 4: My biggest moment was probably outside of one.

852
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: You know, we all feel we get drafted, made it,

853
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: but outside of that, to be honest, by the All Star,

854
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: when I actually got select to All Star, when I

855
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: was in that bus bro with all those dudes in

856
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: that locker room, and as a fan, you gotta think

857
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Wretchie Miller, I'm looking at you know, Joe,

858
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Tim Hardaway, Alonzo Morning, I'm looking at

859
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 3: all the dudes. I just like every day I'm on

860
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: TV watching these dudes, and now I'm in the same

861
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 3: locker room with him, you know what i mean. Larry

862
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 3: Barry was the coach, you know what I'm saying. So

863
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: it was just that whole thing. Then I'm in Massive

864
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: Square Guard for the game, you know what I'm saying.

865
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: So I think that probably was when it like really

866
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: hit me, like you know, I really arrived and.

867
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 5: Me and you got the same experience. My first All

868
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: Star game was in my only All Star game. It

869
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 5: was in the Madson Square Goer too, and that's how

870
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 5: I had that same feeling. But you kept playing and kept.

871
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: I had my moment.

872
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: I missed.

873
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: I felt like I got snubbed twice, you know what

874
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: I mean. The other years I didn't deserve it, but

875
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: I felt like it was two other years I should

876
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: have made it. But you was like sn at the crib,

877
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: like when they're doing on T and T they doing

878
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: the revealing you like, man, I knowing for to make it,

879
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: make it.

880
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: I was a little salted.

881
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: Years ago. See d C.

882
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: I think they played in d C. I'm trying to

883
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 4: think what year that was.

884
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: You was here, right, Yeah, I went well, I played

885
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: three and then also the Rookie game in Cleveland. So

886
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: my first year I played, made the rookie team. That

887
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: was cool in Cleveland because we all none of us

888
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: made it, but Kobe. I think Kobe was the only

889
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: one that made the real All Star Game. So me

890
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: a all us was on just a rookie game for sure.

891
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 3: You talk about that that other you know what I'm

892
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: saying George's one.

893
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 2: How was that game? Man?

894
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: What the last one?

895
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: Said? My nigga two k.

896
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: I the last The last one special for me, all

897
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: honesty for me personally. That was the year m J

898
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: came back. I don't know if you guys familiar, but

899
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: when he came back in No. Three, I got a

900
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: real I got a phone call that summer and we know,

901
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: I kind of like control to run with the pick

902
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: up ball where we played that, which is actually right

903
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 3: on the street that we were on, feeling right. But

904
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: the thing is, he called me like, yo, block number.

905
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you could call people block and

906
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: everything private number, and he's like yo. He's like, yo,

907
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: I hear you gotta you know you got the run going,

908
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking about coming back. I'm like, it's like

909
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 3: may Bro, I'm like, I'm about to go on vacation

910
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: kicking we locked out the playoffs. He like, I'm trying

911
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: to get in the gym, and I need you to

912
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: call everybody in the gym and get them in the gym.

913
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to come back. So you know, Michael Jordan

914
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: tell you that. You know, You're like, man, I'm like, okay,

915
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: everything stopped. Now I'm back in the gym, So we stopped.

916
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: I called all the guys like, Yo, MJ. Want to

917
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: come back, and he wanted everything to be prot He

918
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: wanted to work out in the mornings. So we all

919
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: used to work out with Tim Grover in the mornings,

920
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: lifting there and doing you know, our conditioning with him,

921
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: and we played every day at two o'clock. I'm not

922
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: talking about man. The gym used to be thirty five

923
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: forty pros. Like you lose that you might not get back,

924
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: and you may not get back on the court. Like

925
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: we used to have to start another court just so

926
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: guys can get some working. But everybody wanted to be

927
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: on that main court, you know what I mean, going

928
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: against him. But he wanted everything to be assimilated to

929
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: coming back. So I got an opportunity of a lifetime man.

930
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: We and really good friends. I started hanging with him

931
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: off the court, spending a lot of time with him,

932
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: and the best part was just just competitiveness, man, Just

933
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: to see how you work, how hard he work, even

934
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: at the age that he was at, and how good

935
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: he was, and where I could see the separation to

936
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: him and you know, some of the greats and how

937
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: he separates hisself determined to win. I mean every day

938
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: was a battle, bro, just to talk shit like who

939
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: won today? Like you know we're gonna play ten, twelve,

940
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: fifteen pickup yans. He want to dominate that, that whole

941
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: set he want to he want to dominate that run.

942
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: Just to watch how he took that, it just instilled

943
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: a lot of me and like the work that you

944
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: got to put in to actually win a championship and

945
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: to be at the level that he's at. But those

946
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: are invaluable years that I would I would never pass

947
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: up the two years I got to be with him

948
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 3: and be up under his umbrella and watch him work,

949
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: and especially at that age. And I finally got me

950
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: one of six, so I was able to talk some

951
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: shit back to him. But yes, you know he type

952
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: person like you ain't never want nothing, Like if you

953
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: ain't want nothing, you can't really talk shit to him

954
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: here about winning, Like what's that?

955
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: Like, what's those moments like like being with MJ. And

956
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 5: I heard this all the time. I've been around him

957
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 5: sometimes and he just talk a bunch of shit.

958
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 3: I mean, just like us man, he talked big ship,

959
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: not a bunch of shit, big shit, But I mean,

960
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: how can you argue with it? You gotta, like, you

961
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 3: gotta find every good thing you got going on.

962
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: You gotta find everything you can.

963
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: Man.

964
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 4: But I'm in surreal moment. You know, you gotta think

965
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 4: about it.

966
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: Man.

967
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: We all grew up Michael Jordan's fans, man, so to

968
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 3: have an opportunity to be around him, to know him personally,

969
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: to know his family, know his kids, and be in

970
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: his personal spaces with something that I always appreciated and

971
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: always loved and value to this day.

972
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

973
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: So you don't you don't pass up those opportunities.

974
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: And we all did myself, Mike Finley, Juwan, Howard, Ken, Richison, Me,

975
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 3: Bobby Simmons, like all of us, had the opportunity of

976
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: a lifetime to be around him on a daily basis

977
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: and work out and train with him. And it was

978
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: special and it was you know, it was fun memories

979
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: man on and off the court.

980
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: You talking any younger place is like almost an NBA

981
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: or college kids that was around you.

982
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: Y'all seen like blossom after those runs A.

983
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: Man, Bobby was one. Bobby comes up. Bobby ended up

984
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 3: getting most improved. Well, he started MJ took him to

985
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: Washington with him. I don't know if y'all know the story.

986
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: So he went to Washington with MJ and then ended

987
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: up trading to Milwaukee, and then Bobby ended up turned

988
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: into you know, most improved. I think he wants six

989
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: man all that stuff. So to see him do that

990
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: was one And I think that came from being up

991
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: under Mike Tulis. That's me personally from watching it, because

992
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: Bobby was always very skilled and MJ kind of like

993
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: injected that into him, like you you know, you could

994
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: be better, you can be good. So that's the one

995
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: guy that kind of you know, sticks out to me,

996
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: like right off the top of my head, that that

997
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: really benefited from that situation for sure.

998
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: I'll start with you in the situation, y'all can both

999
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of relate to this, you know, having a base

1000
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: in a great franchise for a long time and then

1001
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: switched the teams the first time, you know, saying leaving

1002
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: Boston the first time the Hawks of the first time,

1003
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: how is that feeling? Like I feel like you build

1004
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: something he'll be with is like, all right, now, I

1005
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: got to move on to start the next chapter in

1006
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: my career.

1007
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: Moment like man gonna lie, Man, I'm gonna keep it real,

1008
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: and I was crowd like a baby like I was.

1009
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe I got traded.

1010
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: Bro.

1011
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: It was like it was because I felt like we

1012
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: was just starting to like become one of the you know,

1013
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: we did looten Eastern Conference Finals. We end up losing

1014
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: to Jersey, but we caught them New Jersey team when

1015
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: they were they get to the finals back to back.

1016
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: But I felt like we was like, you know that

1017
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 3: we was right there to like really turn the corner.

1018
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: So it hurt, like personally by myself, I crowed like, damn,

1019
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: I ain't want to go nowhere else. You know, if

1020
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: we had built so much there, we were starting to,

1021
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: you know, really get to that next level. And then

1022
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: to get traded. It was tough, but the best thing

1023
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: for my trade, A lot of people understanding. I got

1024
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: a chance to go play with three you three great players, man.

1025
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: I got to play with Mike Finley, Steve Nash and

1026
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: Dirt Yes sir, and then Antoine Jamieson was our sixth man.

1027
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: Damn.

1028
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know what I'm saying. So I went

1029
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: to a situation. Now I knew I was gonna win

1030
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: where and have to do it all? You know in Boston,

1031
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: you know, me and Paul felt like we had to

1032
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: go get fifty five sixty at night. But that team,

1033
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: I ain't have to do that. We have four five

1034
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: guys that can get it done. So that was a

1035
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: different That was different, and there was that was a

1036
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: good situation, but we just ran into that Sacramento team.

1037
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: Man, that last Sacramento run, y'all remember that last well,

1038
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: Mike Bibbie all, we ran to that last run.

1039
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: So we couldn't win. Get over that hump. But that

1040
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: was so I got traded to a safe I would

1041
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: say a safe space. Well, you know, sometimes you can

1042
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: go to a situation. You'd be down in Memphis at

1043
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: that time, there was bad. I could have went back

1044
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: to Atlanta with oh you know what I'm saying. I

1045
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: could have went to a bad situation. But I went

1046
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: to a winning situation. So I think that was That's

1047
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: what helped me out a lot.

1048
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: Did you see that potential in Dirk?

1049
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was tough.

1050
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if I saw m v P no

1051
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: Dirk at that time, but I saw the skill set.

1052
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: The game was changing over when the big man can

1053
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: shoot the three step out because Dirk don't really got

1054
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: a lot to shake me down handle. Everything is puffed

1055
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: fake here, fake and he legit seven feet so he's

1056
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: getting it off, you know, with his arc and everything.

1057
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: So but you can see it though he was starting

1058
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: to get as tough as him and Steve Nash had

1059
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: a great, you know, chemistry together, so we had to

1060
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: figure like, I had to figure out how to play

1061
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: with them more so than you know what I mean,

1062
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: them have to figure out to play with me. I

1063
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 3: have to like get in the corner, get some cuts,

1064
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: back door cuts. You gotta like figure it out because

1065
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: everything was going through those two guys.

1066
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know. For the young people

1067
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: watching this, Michael Finley was a dog.

1068
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Michael Strong too, Michael Michael was. Mike might

1069
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 3: have been the second league score because you know, Nash

1070
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: is more like a fifteen to fifteen type of guy.

1071
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: But I think Mike was the second league scorre on

1072
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: that team.

1073
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 2: Squawk Yeah.

1074
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: Is good. And we had Travis Best to y'all know,

1075
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 4: Travis Bes was nice too.

1076
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, shot killer.

1077
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 5: So we had.

1078
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: Lessend some games though. We underchieved though, losing the first

1079
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: round was underachievement. Yeah, you know what I mean, So

1080
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: that we never got it, got a chance to see

1081
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: it out. And then obviously y'all know what happened the summer.

1082
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 3: Steve Nash went the Phoenix. Yeah, broke that up real quick.

1083
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: That was necessary though, that was necessary. Yeah, Mark Cuban

1084
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: dropped the ball.

1085
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: On them, but he got Phoenix necessary.

1086
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah that's that. That's It's crazy, how like it could

1087
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: change in months. But yeah, he he left, and so

1088
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 3: that next year was your last year.

1089
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 4: No, I played.

1090
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: My last year in the league. No, no, no, I'm

1091
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: talking about the Dallas Yeah, was like, yo, I gotta

1092
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: get a point guard. I got traded for Jason Terry.

1093
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: That's how you came to the Yeah, he came and

1094
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: blessed the city.

1095
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got trade up for Jason Terry. That's how

1096
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: Jason Terry ended up there. And then I went and

1097
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 3: played half the year. And like I was telling y'all earlier,

1098
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: in the Cats, man we was terrible. So I was like,

1099
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: man so And the funny part about it, the selfish

1100
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: called me. So I was still really good friends with

1101
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: the equipment manager and people in the front office. So

1102
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: me and Danny Ainge. We you know, we had some

1103
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: words and the paper and everything, so we weren't doing

1104
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 3: them the same page. So they was like, yo, would

1105
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: you come back? I was like, I was like, commediately,

1106
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: please come, please come get me out here. Next thing,

1107
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, bro on the West coast. They called me

1108
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: and was like, man, they traded back for me. So

1109
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: it was different from me because Doc was the coach.

1110
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: So I think I want to say, I don't know

1111
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: if it was doc first year, well, if it was

1112
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: the second, well five, yeah, it was Doc first year

1113
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: with the selfis or the second. I think it was right,

1114
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: but it was dope because they were like five or

1115
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: six games of the five hundred, and we won like

1116
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: twelve out of thirteen. We took off and ended up

1117
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 3: being the three seed and got upset by the pace

1118
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: are you boys?

1119
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah us in seven games.

1120
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: They gave me the fake suspension fighting Jamaine on there,

1121
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 3: the fake fight like all that. That's crazy, man, like yeah,

1122
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: that was That's how I went. And then I didn't

1123
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: And then that summer I didn't sign back. The felt

1124
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: just kind of low ball me and Miami offered me

1125
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: more money. Signed with Miami is it true.

1126
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: When you get to Miami, it's a real coaching like

1127
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: that body fat.

1128
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 4: Yeah. I had my run as bro. Yeah, I ain't

1129
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: gonna lie man.

1130
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1131
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: So the first time I get there, So when I signed,

1132
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: he's like he came, he brought me in. So I

1133
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: played at like probably two between two fifty five two sixty.

1134
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: He was like, uh, I need you a two fifty

1135
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: and ten percent body fat. You got thirty days, Like

1136
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: it's like you got you know, because training camp start,

1137
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: so it's like you need to get down here, figure

1138
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: it out. I need just that's why I want you

1139
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: at opening night. So I basically had two months to

1140
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 3: get there and give you a break until one s

1141
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: the season start.

1142
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 4: You got to weigh in every Monday. Every Monday you

1143
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 4: got a way in.

1144
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: So he gave you a number, so your number may

1145
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: be like I said, had to be between two forty

1146
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: eight two fifty two at that time, and then I

1147
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: had to be a ten percent body fat. So you

1148
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: got to be weigh in every Monday. You gotta be

1149
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 3: at those numbers. If you don't, you get fine.

1150
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: That's crazy. Hell check it would.

1151
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 4: I mean it was cool.

1152
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: I had one episode that I that we didn't come in,

1153
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: but it was me Posy and shot Bro Like y'all

1154
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: know how skinny Posey is, how pos they make his Yeah,

1155
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: but Pa was he was in one of the moves.

1156
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: So I got suspended once for like three games. But yeah,

1157
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: he was on it every week. He used to be

1158
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: on it. That was a that was that was like

1159
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: a pet peeve with here.

1160
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: So you got suspended if you didn't make that like

1161
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: that was.

1162
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got suspended three games for it my

1163
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: first year of my second year, I did. Yeah, we

1164
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: got suspended. He used to finest it. I forgot his story. Yeah, yeah,

1165
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: with the baby.

1166
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 4: But Shack, if you have a shock, tell your story, Shack.

1167
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 3: I always held so Shack when we played with three,

1168
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: like three twenty yeah, if you ever look at it.

1169
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 3: But Shack say he played in the Lakers at three seventy. God,

1170
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: that's what that's what he says. I mean, I don't

1171
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: know how true it is, but Shack say he played

1172
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: with the Lakers at three seventy.

1173
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: Three seventy might be three.

1174
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: Shack was m v P. Yeah, so he won the

1175
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: multiple a couple of times at that way. Yeah, at

1176
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: that way. So yeah, him and Shock used to bump

1177
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: hands A little bit about that, Yeah, a little bit,

1178
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: he said. He's skinning about about that though. He said,

1179
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 3: well I put that baby on me.

1180
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: Smooth, smooth, cooler, that's right, he got.

1181
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right off.

1182
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: With you did?

1183
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: You should have you should have got damn jobs. I

1184
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: was like, I was like eight point two or something.

1185
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: I wasn't like off man, I was, Man, I changed

1186
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: my life for that.

1187
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: Yo?

1188
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: Why had full time cook? I was eating good like

1189
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: you had to, like you got to buy in. Yeah,

1190
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: like you got a buy in to keep it up.

1191
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 5: So like I mean me, when I went to Miami,

1192
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 5: you know, were going out, We're going to see Booby

1193
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 5: Trap whatever it is Live like living there and playing

1194
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 5: there and knowing that you got a body fat thing

1195
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 5: every Monday?

1196
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: What's that like? Do y'all go out?

1197
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: Man?

1198
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 4: We did.

1199
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna tell you this. The

1200
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: staying room became my best friend. The staying room like

1201
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 3: that was that was a big part of my resume.

1202
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, we have to go out, man, How you're

1203
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: gonna not go out? We're in Miami's And then you know,

1204
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: I was in Miami when Live first started and it

1205
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: was just getting popping, like everybody was just starting to

1206
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: come there, and then it's to be turned up. I

1207
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: tell people, I never partied and played basketball bro like

1208
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: that in my life. I went to Miami. Can't help it, man,

1209
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 3: it's eighty five degrees outside chain ready, fifteen eighty five.

1210
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 4: You know everybody in town. So I had to discipline myself.

1211
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 3: So I started doing like this, like and then you

1212
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: got friends on every team, so everybody call you like

1213
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: and they don't care about They don't even care about.

1214
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 3: Miami got the best secret in the world home court events.

1215
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: They don't even care. They call it like, Yo, I

1216
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: want to get out, so you gotta go out.

1217
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: That's the night.

1218
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: I don't drink, though you're gonna I'm gonna go out.

1219
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take you out, but I ain't gonna drink

1220
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 3: that night. I'm gonna try not drink that night, wait

1221
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: till they gone.

1222
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: That was Atlanta though.

1223
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 5: Everybody, especially the West Coast teams, they come for that

1224
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 5: one game that year. Everybody be drunk everything. Next day

1225
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 5: we knew he was gonna beat your about twenty.

1226
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you definitely got oh definitely. They don't get wasted.

1227
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: Everybody that's the only thing about a tough part about

1228
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 3: playing that you got to have discipline. You have to

1229
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: discipline yourself something. It's just nice every day. Man, you

1230
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: know you're coming out of practice eighty five degrees because

1231
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: it's hard. You play good in Miami though, Yeah, I

1232
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: try like twelve thirty yeah, something like that. But you

1233
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: know I caught I caught the prime D way. Yeah

1234
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: that the way that was thirty six.

1235
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: S.

1236
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 3: That's the greatest finals ever, Bro.

1237
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: I caught the active D way.

1238
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: You think that's the greatest finals the way you know, we.

1239
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 3: Talk ship, we love you the way you know what

1240
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: I mean. You can't, folks, but that his finals performance

1241
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: is the greatest of all time, bro.

1242
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: And better than dirt. Yes, that's tough.

1243
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: The way average I might be off.

1244
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna give me you out. Yeah study

1245
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 4: five oh too, so yeah right.

1246
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: Miami and shout out to Twine and them. But he

1247
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 3: this old school. Now, everybody was like, I.

1248
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: Like the Wade and there's two other ones I liked.

1249
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 4: I thought was special, that.

1250
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: Old school one m J against Phoenix with something special

1251
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: and then honest, but.

1252
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: You bro, I just missed the first game. He was

1253
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: kell throw whole that the whole. He was terrible before that.

1254
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 5: Bron.

1255
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: Oh that makes I would love to see that's the best.

1256
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 4: To come back.

1257
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: But I think the n b A is really got.

1258
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: I gotta rethink that I forgot about Bron and d

1259
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: Wade was ill. Bro No he was saying, he said,

1260
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying that Bro him averaging that like

1261
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: on that team, Bro as such a young his yea

1262
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: third year in the league. Bro and willing, y'all to

1263
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: the final there, Bron.

1264
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: And what's so far about your team? I had a

1265
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: lot of like savvy and good Jay Will what that

1266
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: will point?

1267
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jake Will was good? What was good for d Wade?

1268
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: And now that people don't know this was g P

1269
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: say g GP was older and what's the same GP?

1270
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: But g he allowed d Wade not to have to

1271
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: guard the main score the two guards. GP guarded them.

1272
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 3: Like a lot of people don't know that that GP

1273
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: closed most of the games out. Jay Will obviously started

1274
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: and everything, but GP closed a lot of the games out,

1275
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: so d Wade didn't have to guard at the two spots.

1276
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: GP would guard those guys and Posey Posey was really good,

1277
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: you know, guarded uh, Guarden perimeter guys too. So that's

1278
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 3: that's what it was special about that team, d Way

1279
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: who was able to protect him where he could be

1280
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: him on offense. So what was your game plan for Dirk?

1281
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: Let them see different looks you d started on them.

1282
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: I got him post guard him, let them see like

1283
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: four or five different guys. It didn't really it didn't

1284
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: really work. He still had a great series. But you know,

1285
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: you know how you can get used to one guy Guarden.

1286
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: You know, we wanted to make sure he saw different bodies,

1287
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: different looks, you know what I mean. Like you you

1288
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: know he's smaller, you d like six six six seven.

1289
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: You gonna do a lot more fun, go in front

1290
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 3: him a lot more than they maybe I will, Yeah,

1291
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so it's just like

1292
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 3: posy Obviously, you can't put on the floor poles hand,

1293
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 3: so we gave him a lot of different looks. I

1294
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 3: think that was our that was our advantage for him.

1295
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 3: They still played great though, he still put up some numbers.

1296
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: But and it was good for the guys too, because

1297
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 3: everybody have to have that assignment by theirself. Sometimes you

1298
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 3: gotta take that punching by yourself.

1299
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: I had d rof. Nobody else switched off on them.

1300
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: V I'm damn switch you first time ever played in

1301
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs?

1302
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 4: Really oh wow?

1303
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't want to switch nothing, but it's all good.

1304
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 5: I was gonna ask you because I was a part

1305
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 5: of a championship team. We ain't had no after party.

1306
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 5: We wanted chick People went home with their families ate

1307
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 5: chicken nuggets like that. What did it y'all do when

1308
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 5: y'all want it?

1309
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: So we went in Dallas, which is not good, but okay,

1310
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: we wanted to die. So Pat Rowles he went out,

1311
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 3: wanted the ballroom. So yeah, guys had their family. So

1312
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 3: we start party in there, DJ food. Everybody was kicking

1313
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: it and then we told ers want to go home.

1314
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: We want to go to Miami. So we ended up

1315
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: leaving like six in the morning. A lot of people

1316
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 3: don't know that. We flew back at six in the

1317
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: morning the next that morning, after partying, I was like, everybody,

1318
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 3: get their stuff, pack your bag, leave your family here.

1319
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 4: They got to get home.

1320
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: We're gone, and we went with at Miami. We did

1321
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: uh we did Kings of Diamonds, man, damonds, it was diamonds.

1322
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: I'm sorry it was called Diamonds. We went the Diamonds

1323
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: the next night. We spent about one fifty in that

1324
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: Bro the singles, but it was all of us though.

1325
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: You know what that looked like.

1326
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we was on the stage with the dance.

1327
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: One jersey crazy Yo.

1328
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 4: We went.

1329
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: We partied right there, Bro, and then for me personally,

1330
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 3: I left them after the ray, I went on my

1331
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: thirty day hiatus.

1332
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: Bro.

1333
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 4: I went thirty days, thirty nights. I at the fool.

1334
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to get.

1335
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 4: Right right.

1336
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: Man.

1337
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: I grabbed my boy from grabbed my boy Joe from college.

1338
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, YO, were finish hit it. So I started

1339
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: in Chicago, had a draft party, I mean, had a

1340
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 3: championship party in Chicago, and took off. I just hit

1341
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: all the hot cities. Bro went on tour after I

1342
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 3: went on too far and I was supposed to met

1343
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: the team care how crazy it was, so we got

1344
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 3: you know, when you win it, you get it back

1345
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: to the espis. So we're supposed to be the champion

1346
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: team to go to ask me, Bro, I got alcohol poison.

1347
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: I killed myself. I couldn't even I couldn't even make it.

1348
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 3: I'm in la in the bed at the esp couldn't

1349
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: even get couldn't even make it with the guys. Man,

1350
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: I missed asks that year? Was it was that day

1351
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: twenty five, my day twenty because you was like, I

1352
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: was like, like day twenty I.

1353
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: Try to go.

1354
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: Third day, I'm not frin I try to. I ain't never.

1355
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: I won't want to calls here pro bo. You couldn't

1356
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: tell me nothing. Remember that's song the champions here. I

1357
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: have a DJ, I get him a hunted.

1358
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: The champions here.

1359
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my thing right there. Man, I had

1360
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 3: a ball boy. I never won a championship the NBA chip.

1361
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: I have to hear all them stories. Man, I enjoyed

1362
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 3: myself and everybody else did I know what I did?

1363
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: Y'all squad had a lot of people who was looking

1364
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: for that first raade too, So that was super up

1365
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: to see how y'all sell situation? Man.

1366
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: Probably Elizo probably was what's the happiness all for? Man,

1367
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people don't know, and I'm surprised

1368
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: nobody ever talked about it. You know, to see him, bro,

1369
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: he was taking like eighty pills a day to make it,

1370
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: you know, because for his kid and getting strong. So

1371
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 3: to watch him every day. You know what I'm saying.

1372
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: I had to take the pills and go through all

1373
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: of the treatment he had to do just to play

1374
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 3: that Season's special for him, like you know, for all

1375
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 3: of us to see him actually get one. Uh, that's

1376
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 3: what I really felt it for because and a lot

1377
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: of us would have just retired a lot of people

1378
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: when they went through that challenge their health and they

1379
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: and doing their health in that situation to play basketball.

1380
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: And he was obviously a big part of our team

1381
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: and what we were doing that year. So to see

1382
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: him go through that and get one for him, it

1383
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: was speciale as fire man, Yeah, the man he meant

1384
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: to be used to take them pills like skilled. Was like,

1385
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's got to take like forty fifty pills

1386
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: a day to keep his numbers. After the game we

1387
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: all leave and he back there with the training with

1388
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 3: the doctor making sure it's numbers right. They can leave

1389
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: like you know, that's out the games and stuff like that.

1390
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: So that was especially a part of that guy with

1391
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 3: quick y can't take it till now. It's crazy to

1392
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: see him to see him come back, man, to see

1393
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: him be a part of that and play the huge

1394
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: part and what he did the game shot.

1395
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was That was the one guy

1396
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 4: that was special to see him enjoy that championship for sure.

1397
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: Man, we talk about you a of the game.

1398
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: Who are some young players from Madre your game or

1399
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: some of the young players you rock with out right now.

1400
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 3: Right now in the league. I ain't gonna lie. I

1401
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 3: love watching He's not I mean, don'ta play the same position.

1402
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: But I'm loving watching Anthony Edwards right now. I tuned

1403
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 3: it to him every night, every time I get a chance. Obviously,

1404
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: you know I'm a little biased, but I love them boys,

1405
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown, Yes, sir, you know, watching

1406
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 3: them especially over the last couple of years and getting

1407
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: to know them personally being around an organization. I love

1408
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: what they're doing up there. And then I still I'm

1409
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: still I'm still honest fan, man, I still I still

1410
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: like Joannis.

1411
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: Man.

1412
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 4: I still like when Jannis is doing it in Milwaukee.

1413
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 5: People get bored with great and it's kind of because

1414
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 5: even though the same thing, and then.

1415
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 4: The regular guys, you know what I mean, I still

1416
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 4: appreciate KD.

1417
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, what he's doing on a

1418
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 3: daily basis and obviously, I know they're not having as

1419
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: much you know, team success, but you know, I'm a

1420
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: little biased to guys at six eight to sixteen that

1421
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 3: can you know, shoot it, put it on the floor.

1422
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 3: Kind of my favorite guys. I'm starting to fall in

1423
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 3: love now. We call Anthony Towns man over the last

1424
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: two years, you know what I mean, the way he's

1425
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: transformed his game now and mixing and matching, you know,

1426
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: with the three and going inside now.

1427
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: So I'm loving what he's doing over the last couple

1428
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 4: of years.

1429
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm them the guys I like watching him

1430
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: tune then too is the guys that you know that

1431
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 3: are versatile, and I mean, I think for this game now,

1432
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 3: I do still believe the point guard opposition is the toughest.

1433
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 3: I think every night you don't get you don't get

1434
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 3: a night off. You think the league's in your hands

1435
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: though post Lebron and then when they've done hang it up. Yeah,

1436
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 3: because I think it's more balanced. I think even if

1437
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: you look at the records now, it's no real no

1438
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: complete domination, you know what I mean, you ain't got nobody,

1439
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: you know, I know a couple of team's got decent records,

1440
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 3: but you ain't got nobody really dominating the league where

1441
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 3: you know they're gonna be. It was a one stretch

1442
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 3: and you guys knew that. We knew Golden State and

1443
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 3: Cleveland's gonna be. I mean that stretch, we knew no

1444
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: matter what went on, we knew Lebron was coming out

1445
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: the East, and we knew nobody be. You don't think

1446
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: Boston got a landslide over everybody. I do, but I

1447
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 3: think they vulnerable. Obviously, I am biased. I do believe

1448
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 3: they got gonna I like the I like the additions

1449
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: they made. I like they said their first seven to

1450
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 3: eight guys are really good. I think Jason Tatum has

1451
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 3: a chip on the shows. I think if he could

1452
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 3: win a chip this year after how the thing happened

1453
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 3: in the Olympics, I think would be speak values because

1454
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 3: I know he would have to play a big part

1455
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 3: in them to actually win it. But it's just I

1456
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: think it's I think it's more balanced. Yeah, I mean,

1457
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,439
Speaker 3: I think which is good for the league. I don't

1458
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of the end season tournament.

1459
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: I'm a little old school. I know sometimes people say that,

1460
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: but I like the ground of the A two game season,

1461
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 3: and and I think, you know, when you start putting

1462
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 3: the money emphasis that just for the tournament, I think

1463
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: it still devalues it, you know what I mean, Because

1464
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 3: that's what it's really fun. Guys like, Okay, well I

1465
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: ain't get half menon I won a part of that,

1466
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I don't the guys are

1467
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: taking it as serious, But I like I like the

1468
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 3: ay two game season grind man.

1469
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 4: I like the original way. And that's just ground for

1470
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 4: eighty two.

1471
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: Who can stay healthy, who can put together they runs,

1472
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: who can stay focused.

1473
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: I like that, And that's one thing people discount a lot.

1474
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: It's just like, well, it ain't always the best team

1475
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: to wins. The team that's most healthy will. That's a

1476
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: part of like playing the eighty two game season is

1477
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: you have to do all these things to win.

1478
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: It's not easy to win a championship. Yeah.

1479
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 3: And then but then you watch the tournament and then

1480
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 3: you see some of the guys that eleventh to fifteenth

1481
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: man get a extra half million, you feel real good,

1482
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So that's the part that

1483
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 3: you love about it because those guys, you know, guys

1484
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: making the league minimum and stuff like that, so you

1485
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: feel good for those guys. So it's nice in that sense,

1486
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 3: But just as a basketball guy, I still like the

1487
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: eighty two game season ground. I do like cutting the

1488
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: preseason down. Those games don't mean anything. So it's different now.

1489
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: I remember you used to go to training camp.

1490
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 5: Bro.

1491
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: It should be twenty two to twenty three guys in camp,

1492
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 3: so you can actually be your guys a day off,

1493
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: your main guys. Now guys are coming to training camp

1494
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 3: with just their their right So that's why I think

1495
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 3: it makes it. You know, it's a little different now

1496
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 3: they ain't bringing twenty two to twenty three guys to

1497
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: training camp no more.

1498
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 2: I was gonna Actually, I know you had a quote

1499
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: and they actually why you shoot so many threes?

1500
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 5: And you said, because it's no force. How do you

1501
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 5: feel about the league now? Like Loston shooting that's one

1502
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 5: of the hardest quotes I've ever seen. But on average,

1503
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna shoot forty eight to fifty three.

1504
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: Is a game?

1505
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just it's just shot sixty nine.

1506
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: So how do you feel like being a guy who

1507
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: said it was enough?

1508
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 4: I see I'm hating Bro for real.

1509
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Bro, I took so much punishment no, two

1510
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: years back to back. I think I led at the

1511
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: league in three point attempts and now used to kill me.

1512
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 4: They killed me. The media would kill me.

1513
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 3: I think I shot like six hundred and something twice

1514
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 3: and they I would get negative write ups about it.

1515
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 3: And now I see it now it's such a big

1516
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 3: part of the game. It's like the championship team is

1517
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 3: like their biggest weapon, you know what I'm saying. So

1518
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 3: in that sense, no, you be hating like that. And

1519
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 3: then I wanted like that, but I could play this

1520
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 3: damn era. I probably left one hundred meal on the

1521
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 3: table for sure. You know, I left money on the

1522
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 3: table if I could play in this era. So I'll

1523
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: be hating in that sense.

1524
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: But I like it. I mean, it just depends. I

1525
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 4: think it can get a little carried away.

1526
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: I do hate the fact that nobody's posting up like

1527
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 3: nobody's posting up, yeah, and that that I do hate

1528
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 3: that part because we did have some great low post players,

1529
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: guys that can post up everybody.

1530
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you used to have good playguards that

1531
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 4: can post up. Nobody wants to post up.

1532
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: Mark Jackson.

1533
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 3: I do hate that part of it, that we don't

1534
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:45,479
Speaker 3: have no guys though I was a part of it. Yeah,

1535
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 3: but I look at but I see I called Anthony

1536
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 3: Towns and I see other big guys making threes and

1537
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 3: then beg part of it.

1538
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 4: I feel good.

1539
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah, I mean you get to see

1540
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: that because you see more guys being able to step

1541
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 3: outside and make it.

1542
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 4: I mean, shit, look at Wombi crazy five.

1543
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: Well he's made in the change and you see I mean,

1544
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: obviously we know Pop has been sick, but whoever thought

1545
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 3: we'll see a guy on Pop team shooting fifteen three?

1546
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 2: Never thought I'd see that straight up.

1547
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you to, like, who was your

1548
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: favorite teammate man your whole career? Who was that guy

1549
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 3: that you was my favorite favorite teammate man man?

1550
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 4: Probably Paul, Yeah, because we got to spend the most

1551
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 4: time together.

1552
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: We went through that grind trying to get the Celtis

1553
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: back to respectability. But I think it more importantly, me

1554
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 3: and Paul hung out a lot off the court, And

1555
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 3: you guys know this, and Jeff, you know that a

1556
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: lot of guys sometimes we be teammates, but you don't

1557
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: really hang out tick it. But me and Paul got

1558
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 3: to really spend a lot of time together our families.

1559
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: Paul will obviously come up here and support me in

1560
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 3: anything I'm doing. I'm gonna support him, and so we

1561
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: built a real special bond, so that that's probably my favorite.

1562
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 3: That's why, like a lot of people give me a

1563
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 3: hard time, even like the Wade when they asked y'all

1564
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 3: remember the comparison between him and d Wade and stuff like.

1565
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 3: That's tough for me because I mess with the Wade

1566
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 3: from the crab, good friend, but then being Paul like brothers,

1567
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, So it makes it hard.

1568
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 3: So I was just that much respect for him, but

1569
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: just the grind, the ground we went through every day.

1570
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 3: Man was specially trying to and get that story franchise

1571
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 3: back to respectability. And it's crazy now we don't see

1572
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 3: each other a lot, but we in Boston together and

1573
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 3: picked right back up, you know what I'm saying, Like clockwork,

1574
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 3: how did y'all go about?

1575
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: Like?

1576
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 5: Who?

1577
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 3: Like I know you say, y'all games never gotten away

1578
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 3: of each other. But was it like moments so you like, shit, Paul,

1579
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 3: don't pass that before keep shooting at her?

1580
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah all the time. Yeah, yeah, like that, Like

1581
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 4: I wasn't never like I was.

1582
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 3: I was all like trying to win, like, and his

1583
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 3: skill set different than mine, you know what I'm saying,

1584
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 3: So you got to respect guy's skill set. Paul one

1585
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: of those guys like you don't go he can go

1586
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 3: for twenty five in the quarter. I want the guy

1587
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 3: can go for twenty five in the quarter. I could score,

1588
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I can have my moments,

1589
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: but that wasn't never my thing. Paul had he can

1590
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: get to the foul line. You know, I was one

1591
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 3: of those dudes. They get twenty texts a year, so rests.

1592
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I get twenty text a year.

1593
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, so I'm I'm

1594
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 3: I'm one of those dudes. So Paul, out of respect,

1595
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 3: he gonna get to the line. So I would go.

1596
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 3: I would defer to Paul, like, bro, you're gonna get

1597
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: to the line you can get to like like, ILL

1598
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 3: respected the fact of that, and I just knew and

1599
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 3: I love this competitiveness.

1600
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 4: That's what we think.

1601
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 3: We really hit home, man, like we both are super competitive,

1602
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 3: Like Paul, when I wanted to go at Kobe Melo

1603
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: and Lebron James like he loved them matchups, like that's

1604
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 3: what he looked forward to. And you look at his

1605
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 3: numbers against those guys, bro, he got those numbers.

1606
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: I used to run that play. Uh up he run.

1607
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 2: I used to be like, that's a bucket. They gonna

1608
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 2: get a foul or a buckety bucket.

1609
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 4: I mean to throw it over the town. Tell me

1610
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 4: he's gonna let me know what his hand.

1611
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 3: He tell me he do this. He wanted to go

1612
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 3: over the top. If not, if he still him throw

1613
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 3: it in the middle. I get three assistant game like

1614
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 3: that draft that's the insane for our needs.

1615
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 4: I gotta I'm gonna get three assister game off that.

1616
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 3: Paul Man to me, I mean, I know you're gonna

1617
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 3: go in the Hall of Fame, but he's one the

1618
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 3: most underrated players. So when they had that conversation I

1619
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 3: get a little upset about those conversations because he is

1620
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 3: in that conversation. You can take your pick on who

1621
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 3: you like that that's not for me to judge or

1622
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: what you like, but he in that conversation. May national

1623
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 3: commercials and the national notoriety sometimes are those guys. But

1624
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 3: now he in that conversation without a question, Yeah, you know,

1625
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: it's like Mellow. You know a lot of sometimes people

1626
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 3: don't talk about Mellow and that he and that them

1627
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 3: guys in that conversation them killer.

1628
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 4: First life killers, like put that ball in the whole

1629
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 4: in different ways.

1630
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 3: Like so, I'm like, so I get upset sometimes because

1631
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: I know nationally in the in the media gives the

1632
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: d Ways and you know, the Lebron James and all

1633
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 3: those guys the recognition. But I think they appreciate that

1634
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 3: more from their peers like you and Jeff, people who

1635
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: played against them give them their flyers to you know

1636
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1637
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 4: Paul piss Man.

1638
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 3: And like the Mellow, I got the most and I

1639
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 3: got to see it day of the day and you

1640
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 3: got to go Mellow on the post.

1641
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, earlier, I got the early Mellow, Denvil Mellow.

1642
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 4: I got that Dallas, that Dallas Mellow photast.

1643
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: The Raging Bull. I got a four times in China Shop,

1644
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: Young Mellow. That was wicked.

1645
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was how did you prepare for that?

1646
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 4: What was that?

1647
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 2: Like? Bro?

1648
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 3: I mean I had to play Dan Dallas. That was

1649
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 3: a game we played. We played zone and that zone

1650
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 3: we had Sean Bradley, you know, Sean Bradley.

1651
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: Seven six Christian Yeah, he get it that we.

1652
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 4: Played to the three zone. So I gotta I gotta wait.

1653
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 4: But the league it's crazy playing two three bro.

1654
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 2: Sure man, Man, you know that.

1655
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 4: You know, Dirk, I love that.

1656
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: You don't know that, but Dirk one guard them premier

1657
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 3: file and the small forwards, power forward.

1658
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 4: You got them like man. I never played.

1659
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: The sound like.

1660
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 4: For sure, Man, I.

1661
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 3: Tell pus quick. I learned how to take a charge

1662
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 3: when I went to Miami. I'm like, man, I'm just

1663
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 3: put my body in front of somebody. You're telling me

1664
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 3: the god Tim dunk and KG back to back. Nah, man,

1665
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 3: you can see me some help the front though. I

1666
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 3: learned how to front. That was my and I learned

1667
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 3: how to take a charge. That was the best way

1668
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 3: to do it. You know, you take a charge.

1669
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 4: I think you're playing.

1670
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, what we call it false, but you played, man,

1671
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: I'm Jeff, you're playing with all the kids.

1672
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 4: What god?

1673
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: I know everybody highlights that's a fact. Watch look at this.

1674
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 3: But you was the era with the point guard might

1675
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: have been the best position in the league. Wasn't started.

1676
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 5: Every we talked about the other day. Every team had

1677
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 5: us almost an All Star point guard.

1678
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that. That was the best position league. Yeah,

1679
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 4: he was tough for you.

1680
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like you got even guys that people wouldn't even

1681
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 5: think was like like that. You would be like ship,

1682
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 5: you have a nightmare against them, like young Kimball was

1683
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 5: a nightmare. Or like you think who was in Utah

1684
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 5: at the time. Darren Williams was in Utah. He was crazy. Yeah,

1685
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 5: he was unbelievable. Portland, you had b Roy sometimes running

1686
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 5: the point, and then you still have guys like Andre

1687
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 5: Miller and all those dudes were still playing point guard too.

1688
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, you had a tough.

1689
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah that was crazy.

1690
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah I had I thought I had a tough You

1691
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 4: had a tough because I had a ticket Tim Tim Duncan,

1692
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:52,839
Speaker 4: and you might get a Rashid Wallace.

1693
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: That's tough.

1694
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 4: See what whateb I got?

1695
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 3: I called to see see. I had the best time

1696
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: against was Philly. He wasn't the same in Philly. He

1697
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: was really picking popping the Philly. He wasn't really posting

1698
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 3: up Philly. But yeah, all, yeah, you had your nights.

1699
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 3: It's probably about ten killers at that power forward spot.

1700
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say about fifteen point ward fifteen to twenty sleep.

1701
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 4: You had to get your sleep.

1702
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: You play in the era with the best pgs. You

1703
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: definitely had the best air power for it.

1704
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 3: He think about it when I was thinking about position.

1705
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 3: But I knew his position because I always said for

1706
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: a long time that the point guard position was the

1707
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 3: best position in the NBA on night out, night out. Basis, Like,

1708
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 3: you got to get your sleep. You got to think

1709
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 3: about it every night you got. You might get up

1710
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 3: Mike Conley in his prime.

1711
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 2: Man, you know what I'm saying, You would be like

1712
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 2: the Griz, Like we played Mike and you're about to

1713
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 2: run about and then you might get Rondo the next day,

1714
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 2: and that's the worst. You gotta block him out.

1715
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 4: Like yeah, it's still don't know. What would you say

1716
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 4: the best position is now? I don't know.

1717
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm strobably gonna say pg still gotta beg.

1718
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 5: It's still a lead point guards all each team, like

1719
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 5: you just got We're just talking about whos gonna get

1720
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 5: snuff from the All Star Game. He still got Deer

1721
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 5: and Fox might not make the All Star average twenty seven.

1722
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 5: It's crazy LaMelo averaging thirty.

1723
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: You see first and fan he gonna get the.

1724
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 3: Game what happens is we'll all start now, especially once

1725
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 3: the starters get selected, it's just start going about records.

1726
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: The coach.

1727
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 3: We can't do that, No, I said, the coaches go back.

1728
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 3: They who picked, they who pick it. That wouldn't be

1729
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 3: when I pick it to me? All stars a guy

1730
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 3: if you ain't talked about and the schememate to stop

1731
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 3: you on the board. You know, this is the NBA

1732
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 3: nigga right here saying the same thing.

1733
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 4: I'm don't care about who wins them. What are you

1734
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 4: coming to see me?

1735
01:14:51,760 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm oldest now temptations, So.

1736
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 4: Don't ask you a question. So y'all in and d sir,

1737
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Speaker 4: y'all point guard?

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01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just love I just loved the unfortunately, yeah,

1739
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 3: so that's what I'm talking about.

1740
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: So what this year? But he's still like that though

1741
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 2: he's turn out as far.

1742
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: But he had a lot of a lot happened to

1743
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,560
Speaker 3: him in a year and a half. He was contract

1744
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 3: All Star team, Olympic team. He gets seventeen at night

1745
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 3: right now, told him a basketball I watched the game.

1746
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 3: He's seventeen night now he ain't. I mean it's supposed

1747
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 3: to be going here and started to come back down. Yeah,

1748
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 3: it's been really a little I think he's gonna get

1749
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 3: back to it though he just hit a little slump,

1750
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 3: a slump a slump.

1751
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: Well he'll be back. But like you said, East Point Guard,

1752
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: you look at jaylen Brusse.

1753
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 3: You gotta leave though, he gotta leave it.

1754
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 2: We're about to wrap this ship up. No, we're not

1755
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: no propaganda deal.

1756
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get up out here. He appreciate no, but

1757
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Pull it up man, like we said

1758
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: a long time come. We appreciate you those support.

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Speaker 3: But it was early on, like y'all different, different stuff, man.

1760
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 3: We need a good podcasts out here man to talk

1761
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 3: about the game the right way and y'all interview real

1762
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 3: guys ain't looking for the story. Y'all looking for the

1763
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 3: guys that had impacts in the game. So that's great,

1764
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: but I against other guys that do do it and

1765
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 3: chase the chase the numbers. But you guys still bring

1766
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 3: a good perspective to us. So in the big space,

1767
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 3: this podcast basically doing a good job man, for people

1768
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 3: that we actually like. Yeah, it in a different space,

1769
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: That's why I like it. Your interview will be different

1770
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Listening we appreciate you pulling up man like share. Subscribe.

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Speaker 2: We'll do this again next time. Club twenty