Speaker 1: On the dol Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?
Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing
Speaker 1: it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello and welcome to the
Speaker 1: Bachtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante, my name is
Speaker 1: Jimmy Loftus, and here we are doing this really silly
Speaker 1: beat again for the second episode in a row. I
Speaker 1: can't waiting to hear how much people fucking hate it.
Speaker 1: I think whenever we do, Joseph Gordon limit movie, even
Speaker 1: though he has Australian So we here on the Bechtel
Speaker 1: Cast talk about the portrayal of women in movies. We
Speaker 1: use the Bechtel test as a jumping off point to
Speaker 1: initiate a larger conversation about the representation of women. Attack.
Speaker 1: It is a test that you apply to a movie.
Speaker 1: It requires that a movie has two named female identifying characters.
Speaker 1: They have to speak to each other, and that conversation
Speaker 1: couldnot be about men. Very few movies past this very
Speaker 1: simple test that doesn't sound that hard to pass. But
Speaker 1: the thing is that movies hate women, and movies don't
Speaker 1: like women to be in them. Can we baite a
Speaker 1: test it really quick? Yeah? Hey, Caitlin, Hey Jamie. They
Speaker 1: changed the name of my favorite donut. What they change
Speaker 1: the name of my favorite donut and Duncan Donuts from
Speaker 1: the vanilla cream donut to Life is a Party. So
Speaker 1: every time I want to get my favorite donut, I
Speaker 1: had to go in and be like, I'll have one.
Speaker 1: Life is a Party, and the person working there always laughs.
Speaker 1: It sucks and that passed the Bechtel tests. It sure does.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that happened to you. Carry about your tragically
Speaker 1: three mornings in around. I just have to say, and
Speaker 1: I've tried this morning to be like I have a
Speaker 1: vanilla creme donut, and they're like which one. It's like,
Speaker 1: Life is a Party. Unbelievable. The chocolate cream donuts name unchanged.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what the whole anyways, m wow, hey
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Speaker 1: to the show. And we're so excited to meet you.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a movie. And even before we do that,
Speaker 1: let's introduce the guests that we have today with us.
Speaker 1: She is wonderful. She is an actor, she is a comedian.
Speaker 1: Lacy Mosley, Hey, thank you. Oh you know I've done
Speaker 1: just that. I have a master's degree in intros, so
Speaker 1: I got this. Welcome Thanks for coming, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me, Thank you for bringing us the movie we're
Speaker 1: talking about today. Popular request, people ask for it a lot.
Speaker 1: We're talking ten things I Hate about you? So, Lacy,
Speaker 1: what is your history your relationship with ten Things I
Speaker 1: Hate about you? Um? Our relationship with this movie is
Speaker 1: honestly a con me. It cond me as a child
Speaker 1: because I wasn't in high school when this came out.
Speaker 1: I think I was pretty young, and I thought that
Speaker 1: I was gonna get to high school and everybody was
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty eight with a connecting beer and finest fun.
Speaker 1: And I was ready. My little loins were ready. And
Speaker 1: then I got there and I was like, y'all, look corny,
Speaker 1: y'all cornballs. Like nobody was fine, every sweating nobody, but
Speaker 1: nobody was heath Ledger, nobody. No one was close at all.
Speaker 1: No one was paying someone else to take you out
Speaker 1: on dates exactly. We have no heath Ledger, no heat
Speaker 1: bar even. And it wasn't all activities activity. I never
Speaker 1: went pay balling. I was never nobody's like or river. Right.
Speaker 1: A date was like, Oh, we're gonna go to the
Speaker 1: Chick fil a. We're literally going to the nearest fast food. Right,
Speaker 1: We're sitting there and being excited that our parents let
Speaker 1: us out of the house Like that was it. It
Speaker 1: was so disappointing. So sorry, this does really prep you
Speaker 1: for a very fake gas version of high school but
Speaker 1: simply does not happen. Jamie, what's your relationship? Your history?
Speaker 1: Saw it yesterday? I saw yesterday. Like most movies we've covered,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll get around to this one, but
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think part of the reason I avoided
Speaker 1: it was because I just didn't grow up watching movies
Speaker 1: that much, and so I didn't know much about this
Speaker 1: movie until he let heard already died, and I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: if this movie sucks, then I'll think less of him
Speaker 1: and he can't redeem himself in my eyes, which is
Speaker 1: what was being dead and all deceased. Maybe I'll just
Speaker 1: not watch it, which is kind of like backwards. To
Speaker 1: honor him, I'm going to disengage from his working time,
Speaker 1: give him the chance to not fail in my eyes.
Speaker 1: I also used to have a thing with not like
Speaker 1: Julia Stiles. Was that like a thing or was that
Speaker 1: just me being rude? I don't really know. I don't
Speaker 1: remember how people viewed her because she this was kind
Speaker 1: of her like prime and then listen like, well she
Speaker 1: wasn't saved the last dance, which I haven't seen him forever.
Speaker 1: And then the people enjoyed her. We enjoyed Julia. Jes yes,
Speaker 1: I have to save the last dance. We were like,
Speaker 1: you're all right, Julia, you missed it. I do appreciate
Speaker 1: her wrapping the A cups. Uh, you know, it's nice
Speaker 1: to see someone with A cups get laid. That's always good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always good felt seen. Now think about it, Julia
Speaker 1: really doesn't like her whole body and face is very regulars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like she's not. It's kind. It's really dope to say that,
Speaker 1: just like you don't have to have the you know
Speaker 1: of a garbage breasts or j low booty to be
Speaker 1: in a movie and get kissed on by heath led
Speaker 1: So that's nice. It's good to I like living in
Speaker 1: the fantasy world where it's like, no heath let her
Speaker 1: lives for a cups, Like you're not all engage with
Speaker 1: that fantasy shirt. Yeah, my stay with this movie. It
Speaker 1: came out in nine. I was thirteen, so I was
Speaker 1: like the right age to be like watching this movie,
Speaker 1: like gobbling it up. I think I saw it right
Speaker 1: around the time that it came out. But I didn't
Speaker 1: like this wasn't a movie that I like watched over
Speaker 1: and over or anything like that. I saw it probably
Speaker 1: twice in my teenage years. I was too busy being like,
Speaker 1: I'm a cool girl who watches Indiana Jones every day.
Speaker 1: I don't have time for this like high school movie stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: I know it's one of those cool girls who weren't
Speaker 1: like the other girls, a little different from the other girls.
Speaker 1: You know what, Sorry, everybody, but that is I thought
Speaker 1: I was. I thought I was that girl too, And
Speaker 1: like I I kind of like shop at Hot Topics sometimes,
Speaker 1: like they're like, like you mean, like every other Stephen
Speaker 1: Masseroni worked at Hot Topic and he was cute. I
Speaker 1: just went in there to look at naked stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had time. They had a lot of soft porn
Speaker 1: and hot time. I don't make a birthday cars at times,
Speaker 1: we're just going to get three. I have Cinemax. So
Speaker 1: I saw this a couple of times as a teenager
Speaker 1: and then didn't revisit it until the other day. And
Speaker 1: I've watched this movie three times in a row since then.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I like this movie. I didn't think that
Speaker 1: I did, but after having me, it's like so much
Speaker 1: funnier than I remembered. It's like, man, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: oh god, there's a lot to unpack. There's a lot
Speaker 1: for us to discuss. But I have a fondness for
Speaker 1: this movie that I was not expecting to have. There's like,
Speaker 1: this is one of these movies where I think if
Speaker 1: I saw it they were like right time. If I
Speaker 1: had seen it like high school time, I would love it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I guess fine, And it's like
Speaker 1: all these like Shakespeare and adaptations are just like You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably not going to be that good for women.
Speaker 1: Chances are it was written originally in fifteen What a
Speaker 1: fucking whatever. Yeah, I'm a genius. It has been so
Speaker 1: many She's the Man, which which is on our list
Speaker 1: of things to cover. Hopefully we get to it soon,
Speaker 1: ran King. But this is Taming of the Shrew, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I have not read the Taming of the Shrew,
Speaker 1: but I did read the first few paragraphs of the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia article about it. So I'm basically a scholar who
Speaker 1: master's degree. I have a master's degree in specifically the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia article of the Taming of the True. I just
Speaker 1: want to read an excerpt from it where it basically
Speaker 1: just describes the plot of that play. The main plot
Speaker 1: depicts the courtship of Petruccio and Katharina the headstrong, obdurate shrew. Initially, initially,
Speaker 1: Katharina is an unwilling participant in the relationship. Hot However,
Speaker 1: this is a comedy, right, this is his comedy. This
Speaker 1: is not a horrid movie. This is a comedy. However,
Speaker 1: Petruccio quote unquote tames her with various psychological torments, such
Speaker 1: as keeping her from eating and drinking until she becomes
Speaker 1: a desirable, compliant, and obedient bride. Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: is it's the happy ending. Have either of you read
Speaker 1: the play not for a long time years ago? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like in high school. It's so weird that they would
Speaker 1: let high school girls read that play of like and
Speaker 1: this is the greatest ride of old time. And you're like,
Speaker 1: he's starving her and killing her and it's a comedy.
Speaker 1: Well that's horrifying. That's good to hear. So the movie
Speaker 1: a movie seems to leave some of that, like you know,
Speaker 1: torture behind and it takes a little bit of a
Speaker 1: different direction. So have changed little bit, Like now in
Speaker 1: back the director's cut has Julia Stile starving like she
Speaker 1: started with d cups and then he lunch starved her.
Speaker 1: At least it's not like the Shakespeare adaptation, like with this,
Speaker 1: what's like the balls lumin Isn't he Australian? Yes? He
Speaker 1: did like Romeo plus Juliette, and it was like, it's
Speaker 1: exactly Romeo and Juliette, but they're wearing Hawaiian shirts for
Speaker 1: some reason. You're just like, Okay, I guess yeah, i
Speaker 1: mean Shakespeare the adaptations of Shakespeare throughout the ages they're
Speaker 1: lion King is great. Nel Gibson's in a Hamlet movie. Whatever.
Speaker 1: So so the movie Ten Things I Hate About You
Speaker 1: takes this basic concept of having to tame a shrew,
Speaker 1: and you know, takes it takes in a little bit
Speaker 1: different of her direct She so beause she just wants
Speaker 1: to think on her own, live her own life. He
Speaker 1: was like, she can read, don't give her exactly, so
Speaker 1: I'll do. The recap of the movie takes place in
Speaker 1: a high school in the Greater Seattle area. Yeah, real
Speaker 1: Frasier vibes. At the top of this movie, You're like,
Speaker 1: oh space, Suddenly, I'm like Niles where are you okay?
Speaker 1: So we meet Cat. That's Julia Styles character. Um. She
Speaker 1: is a feminist, killed joy who hates everyone. She's a senior,
Speaker 1: I think in high school. Her sister, Bianca, who is
Speaker 1: a sophomore, is is played by the girl who played
Speaker 1: Alex Mack on Nicolo. Oh yeah, I don't watch that
Speaker 1: show together. Yeah a little girl detective. So Bianca is
Speaker 1: a sophomore. She is popular and she wants to date boys.
Speaker 1: Their dad does not want either of them to date
Speaker 1: anyone because he does not like women to have agency
Speaker 1: or autonomy over their bodies. Their dad is also played
Speaker 1: by the same guy who plays the Stylist and the
Speaker 1: Princess Diary is Paolo Putinesca. And their mom's dead, right,
Speaker 1: their mom, she seems like she left. She did maybe
Speaker 1: they like she died, but then later they say she left.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think she left that I think
Speaker 1: no explanation provided because he was like that scene where
Speaker 1: Alex Mack is wearing the pearls and Julia Styles is like,
Speaker 1: why are you wearing those pearls and they're like she's
Speaker 1: not coming back, which I was like, oh so she right,
Speaker 1: Like no, she just didn't like you. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: she just abandoned though I don't know she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to come back and left all of her drink its right,
Speaker 1: like she just left in the night stuff back, Like
Speaker 1: what's she could have like a beeper or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Either way, they're they're kind of Disney Princess
Speaker 1: because they don't have a momp. Yeah, their dad comes
Speaker 1: up with the rule that if kat who hates everyone,
Speaker 1: if she dates, then Bianca is allowed to date. Old
Speaker 1: way to like communicate to your own daughter that you
Speaker 1: find her to be unfuckable. It's like this, which I'll
Speaker 1: never get a man, So my hot daughter that I
Speaker 1: have a crush on can't go on dates either. Get
Speaker 1: your chastity belts on, girls, put that bread down. Charlity.
Speaker 1: Chastity is the name of the Gabrielle Union's character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's fun time boy. She was not Chase. She
Speaker 1: is not like Chastity. And then what's Bianca. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep calling her Alex Mack. But yeah, like there, their
Speaker 1: characters are all over the place where when you meet
Speaker 1: them they're like, oh, they're so dumb they can barely walk,
Speaker 1: but then later they're like, no, we're smart and but
Speaker 1: we just want to have sex, which I like way better,
Speaker 1: but there's still some moments where they're like, we're too
Speaker 1: dumb to live. They're beautiful and evil and its beautiful
Speaker 1: women are oh goodness, okay. So then, um Cameron, that
Speaker 1: is Joseph Gordon Lovett's character. He wants to date Bianca
Speaker 1: and she tells him of this new development where she
Speaker 1: can date if her sister kept if she finds a date. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: there's a character named Joey Donner who also wants to
Speaker 1: date Bianca, and Bianca wants to date Joey right back. Oh,
Speaker 1: Joey's the hot guy who always has a fifty dollar
Speaker 1: bill on him. He's so rich and so hot. You've
Speaker 1: got a Crisp fifty in his back pocket and that's
Speaker 1: a lot of money in high school. Yeah, also in
Speaker 1: the ninety nine inflation exactly. Um So Cameron and his
Speaker 1: friend Michael, who looks forty and it's distracting and really
Speaker 1: does grown nast man. He's on his second marriage. He
Speaker 1: panted house support before lunch and they're like, what do
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go see my wife. Like he's
Speaker 1: grown as fuck. It's like for the first two seas,
Speaker 1: I genuinely thought Joseph Gordon Levitt's friend was his guidance
Speaker 1: cow fire, Like, why is this guidance counselor hanging out
Speaker 1: with a student so much? And he's like, I'm fourteen.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you are good to drive, like the duy.
Speaker 1: This is a David Krumholtz. But sorry, David look old.
Speaker 1: So then so Cameron and Michael identify this guy, Patrick
Speaker 1: Heath Ledgers. They're like, oh, this Patrick guy, he might
Speaker 1: be a good candidate for someone to date Cat. Now
Speaker 1: Patrick is a bad boy and he is not into
Speaker 1: this idea. So Cameron's like, oh, well, maybe we could
Speaker 1: pay him to date Cat. And here's where the story
Speaker 1: gets a little fun, where he's like, well, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a little poor, so sure I'll invoke the oldest like
Speaker 1: the eighties slash nineties classic trope of let's trick a
Speaker 1: woman for the whole movie, not apologize, and then get
Speaker 1: to be her boyfriend at the end. So many movies, Yeah,
Speaker 1: refer back to our she's all that episode or more
Speaker 1: information on that um so. But because Cameron doesn't have
Speaker 1: any money, he needs a financial backer, so he goes
Speaker 1: to Joey the like do she model boy his butt fifties?
Speaker 1: Joe back pocket fifties, And He's like, oh, if you
Speaker 1: pay Patrick to date Cat, then Joey you will have
Speaker 1: a shot at dating Bianca. And Joey's like a great idea.
Speaker 1: So then that all kind of unfolds where Patrick tries
Speaker 1: to ask out Cat, she's not into it. Cameron and
Speaker 1: Michael go to Patrick to help him out. There's like
Speaker 1: a big party where like everyone starts to be like,
Speaker 1: oh can Patrick? That party scene is exactly how I
Speaker 1: thought high school parties were going to be, and never
Speaker 1: very were. It was always Mark Joseph's basement, twelve kids
Speaker 1: sharing one four logo and dry humping each other. Well,
Speaker 1: I've played Mario party in the corner with my other
Speaker 1: virgin friends. That's how my party today. I will have
Speaker 1: to say that my high school parties were like those parties.
Speaker 1: Really they got to go to like one but yeah,
Speaker 1: where did you guy named Christo Print's house? I grew
Speaker 1: up in Frisco, Texas, which is like north of Dallas,
Speaker 1: and his dad was a cop and retrospectively, my black
Speaker 1: as shouldn't have been over there, but his dad was
Speaker 1: a cop and then he would like, let us drink
Speaker 1: and use the hot to like party and yeah, so
Speaker 1: I have gone to at least one high school party
Speaker 1: did look like that. So those they do exist, they're
Speaker 1: not they do exist. They do exist. We just were
Speaker 1: never invited, we weren't called. We did exist mostly in
Speaker 1: Mark Joseph's basement. Mark Joseph just had a jowful. It
Speaker 1: was probably a party happened like no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: but my pacement gonna be lit tonight. Listen, I got
Speaker 1: half an old English Okay, were all gonna drink SIPs
Speaker 1: at the cap Oh gosh. So at that party, like
Speaker 1: Cat and Patrick start to kind of bond a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then Bianca and Cameron are like bonding a little bit,
Speaker 1: and he gets a little kissed at the end of
Speaker 1: the at the end of the night, and then I do,
Speaker 1: that's my kiss sound I do? I cannot really sets
Speaker 1: me off. I can't I do this a lot. I
Speaker 1: can't take credit for it. That is my best friend
Speaker 1: and friend of the cast, J. T. Taylor. That is
Speaker 1: his joke that I have stolen from. There's the o
Speaker 1: G slurpere. He started doing it every time straight people
Speaker 1: kissed on TV or in movies, so then I just
Speaker 1: started doing it anyway. So the teenagers are there, horny
Speaker 1: and they're starting to get together and crazy. So then
Speaker 1: Kat and Patrick's relationships starts to develop. But then at
Speaker 1: prom of course, because there cannot be a teenage movie
Speaker 1: that does not end in prom well, we'll get there,
Speaker 1: she finds out that Joey had paid Patrick to date her,
Speaker 1: so she gets mad, and then he buys her a guitar,
Speaker 1: does not verbally apologize, bribes her, and then she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we can kiss. There's well there's in the very last scene,
Speaker 1: she's in the middle of asking him for an apology,
Speaker 1: and then he like, he just starts kissing her again,
Speaker 1: like this is why people don't like you. Those lips
Speaker 1: are full demanding respect and ship like just like ants
Speaker 1: on her head, and you're like, oh man, that was
Speaker 1: a funny example because the guys never apologize in these
Speaker 1: kind of stories. But the thing that she was literally
Speaker 1: in the middle of being like, you know, that wasn't
Speaker 1: cool and yeah, and he was like, so he led
Speaker 1: your you know, what's you gonna do demand but your respect?
Speaker 1: Or are you going to make out? He led you
Speaker 1: like me, what's your car? It's like he's like, the
Speaker 1: guy's got ten years. He doesn't have time to be
Speaker 1: apologizing to people. You just let him do anything new,
Speaker 1: no apology, just kiss his situation everything. All right, Well
Speaker 1: is the story. Let us take a quick break and
Speaker 1: we will be back for the discussion. And we're back.
Speaker 1: I have a question, yeah, because maybe I just wasn't
Speaker 1: paying as close attention as I should have. But like
Speaker 1: ten Things I Hate about You comes like the title
Speaker 1: with the ten things comes up at the very end,
Speaker 1: and Julia styles is shitty poem. But as I ever
Speaker 1: mentioned before, then of like I wonder what ten things
Speaker 1: I Hate about You are? No, that's I think the
Speaker 1: only reference never set up. It's like if someone named
Speaker 1: a movie like they named podcast, like this was the highlight,
Speaker 1: this is the highlight, gonna do with the movie, but
Speaker 1: this is highlight. So weird title. That was one thing
Speaker 1: that I like Struth. That poem sucks so bad that
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, a teenager could have written that poem.
Speaker 1: It was authentic. Yeah, I wrote comparably shitty poems. But
Speaker 1: it's weird because she spends the whole movie using such
Speaker 1: like verbose language and like waxing poetic the whole time.
Speaker 1: It's like, surely you could have used some of that vocabulary.
Speaker 1: You have to like put that into your English projects.
Speaker 1: These are things she goes a real basic love the teacher,
Speaker 1: the black teacher, a black guy. He can only have
Speaker 1: eight lines. He's just he's mean to her too. He's
Speaker 1: mean to her. He's mean to her. He is like
Speaker 1: their first scene together is like kind of cool though cool,
Speaker 1: but at the end when she does the shitty poem,
Speaker 1: it's like, who's gonna get up a dude eight poem?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I will, like a bit so made
Speaker 1: her at the end. That's why he's start out of
Speaker 1: his class. I think at least twice. Yeah, he's never
Speaker 1: every time she opens about these like I actually am
Speaker 1: going to need you to your kissing me off. He's
Speaker 1: equal opportunity mean though, because he also makes Joey taking
Speaker 1: sunglasses off. Yeah yeah, he got his ass feet by
Speaker 1: Alex Mack. So this might be a good place to
Speaker 1: start that scene where she where Cat has a conversation
Speaker 1: with Mr Morgan is his name? It like pretty well
Speaker 1: sets up who she is as a character. So the
Speaker 1: teachers like what everyone think of this. On Officer Rises,
Speaker 1: there's a girl who's like, I loved it, He's so romantic,
Speaker 1: and then Cat, I hate that girl. In an English class,
Speaker 1: It's like, I love this man beat the ship out
Speaker 1: of a woman every day of his life, but I
Speaker 1: think we should give him a chance. Charles Murkowski is
Speaker 1: very cool, Like that's pretty much what Cat says. She's
Speaker 1: like romantic hemingway, he was an abusive, alcoholic misogynists who
Speaker 1: squandered half his life hanging out with Picasso, trying to
Speaker 1: nail his followers. And then Joey says, as opposed to
Speaker 1: a better, self righteous hag who has no friends. So
Speaker 1: Cat being like, yeah, you're um like the feminist kill joy,
Speaker 1: and then Joey's like, no one likes you. Every time
Speaker 1: she says something like vaguely feminist, people are like, who
Speaker 1: is this reptile? Like, get her out of here. The
Speaker 1: names that she gets called throughout the movie are a bitch,
Speaker 1: a heinous bitch, a shrew, a wretch, a loser, antisocial,
Speaker 1: a difficult woman, psycho, wretched, and I think I'm missing some.
Speaker 1: Alison Janny is the one who calls her a hain
Speaker 1: is bit is crazy. She's such a problematic guy didn't know.
Speaker 1: She's way too involved. She stares at the kids genitals.
Speaker 1: There's like a scene where she's like looking at Heath
Speaker 1: Ledgers Dick because she's having a horny like fan fit
Speaker 1: and erotic fan fiction. Super producer Sophie noticed last night
Speaker 1: too that Alison Janny looks exactly like Dolores Umbridge from
Speaker 1: the Harry Potter movies and ten things, and she's like
Speaker 1: wearing like the pink suit and has like the bat haircut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like funnier and and the oh and the pearls.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah she had, Yeah, she has that. She
Speaker 1: invented the look before J K Rowling that notorious. What
Speaker 1: a shrew, What a shrew, What a hainous bitch. So
Speaker 1: the rest of that scene in the classroom. So then
Speaker 1: Kat says, I guess in this society, being male and
Speaker 1: an asshole makes you worthy of our time? What about
Speaker 1: Sylvia Plath or Charlotte Bronte or Simone de Beauvoir And
Speaker 1: Patrick our friend Heath Ledger burst into the classroom and
Speaker 1: says what did I miss? And cats like the oppressive
Speaker 1: patriarch or values the dictator education, and he's like good
Speaker 1: and then he leaves again, which I love that joke.
Speaker 1: He's like all caught up. And then Mr Morgan gives
Speaker 1: this monologue where he's like, oh, you're a white girl
Speaker 1: who's like rich and entitled. Maybe like next time you
Speaker 1: go to a PTA meeting you could ask them why
Speaker 1: they don't buy any books written by a black man. Like,
Speaker 1: So this whole scene it has it all but everything
Speaker 1: he Ledger enters in accents and then there is some
Speaker 1: Heath just threw him in. Look for a second, people
Speaker 1: are going to get tired. So there's like there's a
Speaker 1: comment on like feminism and the patriarchy and misogyny, there's
Speaker 1: comment on race. This whole scene basically establishes how much
Speaker 1: of a like buzz kill Cat is because she has
Speaker 1: like strong opinions and speaks out against the patriarchy. But
Speaker 1: I do like that it's she's also kind of like
Speaker 1: put in her place of being like a privileged white
Speaker 1: girl by her teacher because it's like, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like both of Bianca and Cat Julia styles,
Speaker 1: they're both fucking rich and like a lot of the
Speaker 1: reason they can even when Julia Styles's character like rebels
Speaker 1: against the patriarchy. She does it in like kind of
Speaker 1: privileged ways, like hitting Joey's car. It's like, Okay, that's cool,
Speaker 1: and that's like putting a shitty dude in his place.
Speaker 1: But also, you wouldn't do that if you didn't know
Speaker 1: your dad was going to pay for the damages, Like
Speaker 1: you can't just I don't know. Then you have to
Speaker 1: physically hit his car with your face. You have to
Speaker 1: fight your car. Too poor to actually hit your car
Speaker 1: with my car because she wouldn't have a car, and
Speaker 1: so she's like trying to fight your car, fight your
Speaker 1: which would have been more entertaining. Yeah, I would love
Speaker 1: to see Julia a car. So that's kind of the
Speaker 1: setup of her character and how like everyone else used
Speaker 1: her and the whole idea the movie is similar to
Speaker 1: what it sounds like the Taming of the True is,
Speaker 1: is that like she needs to be softened up, like
Speaker 1: she's too bitchy, like no one likes her, so we
Speaker 1: need Heath Ledger to come along and you know, show
Speaker 1: her how to be nicer. She needs to be tricked by,
Speaker 1: which is also such a fucking guy fantasy that like
Speaker 1: you can pay a guy. This is more realistic for women. You.
Speaker 1: I feel like you could probably more realistically pay a
Speaker 1: woman to seduce a man than you could pay a
Speaker 1: guy to seduce a woman. You're not good at it?
Speaker 1: That fine? Really, Yeah you tricked me out of here,
Speaker 1: which your magical dick like like, but men love that
Speaker 1: notion that they think, they think it's real that they
Speaker 1: could trick a woman into falling love. It's like that's
Speaker 1: what we do to y'all every day we talk about
Speaker 1: It's called your trophy wife. You know, your big ugly
Speaker 1: ass wouldn't be with that. Fine, Ask any woman if
Speaker 1: you handle day of money? She gone you there's yeah,
Speaker 1: and like good for her? I don't know, great for her.
Speaker 1: I'm just tired of like I mean, I guess some
Speaker 1: jiggalows some there are some men out here who probably
Speaker 1: could like slang it around and well there's a whole
Speaker 1: industry of like pickup artist. Oh yeah, that works great,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. They're always the game, Ugly. I have a
Speaker 1: horrifying confession to make. Are you a pickup artist? I've
Speaker 1: been magging you for years? No, I slept with someone
Speaker 1: who had I like woke up and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's I'm I'm literally next to a
Speaker 1: copy of the game with golden bossed pages. It was
Speaker 1: a really nice copy of the game. It was an
Speaker 1: anniversary edition of the game. Did you steal it and
Speaker 1: burn it? No? I slipped out and I haven't been
Speaker 1: heard from since. But it was what Oh god, pick
Speaker 1: up artists? Bad bad, bad bad well, um so cat.
Speaker 1: The other thing about her is that because she's like
Speaker 1: a feminist, she's also like painted as this like frigid
Speaker 1: woman who would never want a day like exactly, why
Speaker 1: are there so many movies where it's a teen boy
Speaker 1: tricking a teen girl and then he's the love interest.
Speaker 1: It's like weird. I started this off as a con
Speaker 1: but then I fell in love, like I caned by
Speaker 1: my own con My heart conned me, and now I
Speaker 1: got feelings. Now I got feelings, and lucky for you,
Speaker 1: I got feelings right where You're like that, But that's
Speaker 1: always how it's presented to He's like, well, now I
Speaker 1: have feelings for you, so congratulations, you got me. I
Speaker 1: was trying to get you and you got me, and
Speaker 1: now you're stuck with me and you have to be
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, even though I've already established I'm a fucking liar.
Speaker 1: I think this is how men feel about falling in
Speaker 1: love though, Like they're like, oh, I just came to fucking,
Speaker 1: you know, steal money out of your purse. But but
Speaker 1: then I said to love you girl. Those lips on
Speaker 1: your face, they're good for more the sex pleasure. What
Speaker 1: telling me I'm cool? You can push some real complimentary
Speaker 1: words about me out of that face of yours? Right? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not not? It doesn't bode well for Keith. There's a
Speaker 1: Keith for Heath Jesus Christ r R I P. Clearly
Speaker 1: I'm very in best leg Hidden brother sounds like a
Speaker 1: conspiracy here. Keith is still laughing on the Island Way Leisure.
Speaker 1: It's a real thing. You can't see the Keith Ledger
Speaker 1: hologram show. That's now my new favorite expiracy period. The
Speaker 1: ways he goes after like wooing her also so interesting
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah he paid the band off, yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 1: with Joey's CRISP fifty. So now he's he's back in,
Speaker 1: you know, in the red like he's not making any
Speaker 1: money anymore. Well yeah, yeah, so I guess you could
Speaker 1: argue that because he doesn't actually take the money and
Speaker 1: spend it on himself. That was apology. It's a wash.
Speaker 1: I made no money off it. Is there that whole
Speaker 1: scene where he like, I know that's like one of
Speaker 1: the big like i'd seen that scene even though I've
Speaker 1: never seen the movie with like the marching band, and yeah,
Speaker 1: like but the way that scene unfolds is so weird
Speaker 1: because it's the Julia Styles character. The second heath Ledger
Speaker 1: starts to fringe her on the rag, she changes as
Speaker 1: a person entirely as these movies go, where it's like
Speaker 1: two weeks earlier, if he had pulled that thing with
Speaker 1: the marching band, she would have been horrified and disgusted
Speaker 1: by it. But after he, you know, like whatever, kisses
Speaker 1: her one time, she's like, oh my gosh, this is
Speaker 1: so nice. But then there's also like cops chasing heath Ledgers.
Speaker 1: They're also like a professional stadium, like who'se high school
Speaker 1: got a colosseum for them to do soccer practicing, Like
Speaker 1: it was a big as we had like three bleachers
Speaker 1: put together, like the sounds like lawn chairs. Like their
Speaker 1: school looks like Hogwarts. It's really crazy. I was like,
Speaker 1: where did they shoot this? And then like the p
Speaker 1: A system is like real popping. I do love when
Speaker 1: they spoof that scene though in Not Another Team Movie
Speaker 1: looks like Jamie's got a good and like Jamie's girl,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. But the romantic pursuit in this
Speaker 1: movie is problematic and much like so many other romantic
Speaker 1: pursuits we see in movies, where like Patrick has to
Speaker 1: wear her down, like she keeps saying no at first,
Speaker 1: he keeps trying, he keeps pushing past the no. He
Speaker 1: like shows up by her car and I'm parking lot.
Speaker 1: He shows up at this club that she's at the show,
Speaker 1: like he stops her and he's and like he's talking
Speaker 1: about the game. Like this guy is negging her at
Speaker 1: every turn. There's that towards the end where he follows
Speaker 1: her to Guitar Center and Barnes and Noble, which is
Speaker 1: such a high school day that it kills me, just
Speaker 1: like we're two places I can just spend an hour
Speaker 1: and for no fucking reason. But you know, he's like
Speaker 1: following her and staring at her through a bookcase and
Speaker 1: she says like you're so and he's like what charming
Speaker 1: and she's like unwelcome And then he just negs her
Speaker 1: the whole scene, and it just like reinforces that whole
Speaker 1: like the more she says no, the more she secretly
Speaker 1: means yes, which is like the most poisonous thought to
Speaker 1: tell young men ever. And it also only really works
Speaker 1: or is tolerable at least if the man is somewhat attractive.
Speaker 1: My mom marks. My mom's a VPHR for a hospital
Speaker 1: system in Texas, and she was like, attractive man never
Speaker 1: get called in Aga. She's like, they ache and kiss
Speaker 1: you on the cheek and you'd be like, okay, But
Speaker 1: if you're ugly, well, Jamie, it's like your test test.
Speaker 1: Put it in the colosseum scene. If Steve Bushemy comes
Speaker 1: out of the and he's got a microphone neat scene,
Speaker 1: can't take my eyes off of you and starts dancing.
Speaker 1: He's killed, he's awful. Shoot him down, murder, murder him
Speaker 1: in front of all the other high they just murder him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that scene does not pass test at all. But the
Speaker 1: scene because it's heath Legend, because he's handsome and charming,
Speaker 1: that big romantic gesture that he does like redeems him
Speaker 1: in cat's eyes, which is like so bad. And then
Speaker 1: he gets detention for that, and then she goes and
Speaker 1: she like break him out of detention. In that scene
Speaker 1: where like Jamie you were saying, she completely changes everything
Speaker 1: we know about her. She changes her whole personality and
Speaker 1: she becomes someone who will flash her her soccer coach
Speaker 1: in order to distract him to get the guy that
Speaker 1: has been stalking her to be able to sneak out
Speaker 1: of detention so that they can go paddle boarding and
Speaker 1: playing paintball. It's so very weird scene and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: go cat like like, finally you're doing what we want
Speaker 1: you to do the whole time smile. A thrilling moment
Speaker 1: for the A cups though, of like oh wow, to
Speaker 1: think that people would want us to do that them
Speaker 1: titty distracted him. Not a popular request? What not? A
Speaker 1: not a popular request for the A cup crowd, So
Speaker 1: in that way a small thrill. Also, that teacher character
Speaker 1: was like what was going on with him? Where he
Speaker 1: he was just like, I don't know what he was doing,
Speaker 1: but he was so horny at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: scene and then just grew horner, hornier and hornier, and
Speaker 1: then stopped in his tracks for ten full seconds by
Speaker 1: Julia Stiles A Cups. It was just very she she
Speaker 1: was like assaulting him. She's like grabbing onto his arms. Oh,
Speaker 1: your biceps are so big, and and then flashes like
Speaker 1: and also that you would distract your teacher like this
Speaker 1: you guy just talk to him like, hey, you know
Speaker 1: to get my periodism, you know something else that's also
Speaker 1: not feminist, but you gotta you gotta show him your
Speaker 1: right and I guess he can't report you. I guess
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to. He liked he was fully engaged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that choice, like she goes from this like militant
Speaker 1: feminist to like, yeah, I'll use my boobs to like
Speaker 1: help out a guy who's been stalking me. Like it
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense, and like maybe it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well she's in high school. She's young and impressionable, like
Speaker 1: maybe that explains that behavior away, but also commented on
Speaker 1: at all. It's not commented on. And then so many
Speaker 1: of these teen movies where it is like these impressionable
Speaker 1: young people who are getting manipulated by each other, who
Speaker 1: are like being stalked, and it's like, oh, well they
Speaker 1: were teens, they didn't know any better. And it's like well,
Speaker 1: maybe don't set all these movies in high school, then, like,
Speaker 1: where's the rom com with people in their fifties? Anyways,
Speaker 1: Gabril Union, this is the same year that Tre's All
Speaker 1: That comes out, so the same movie comes out twice.
Speaker 1: Union is literally in both of them, but she's she's
Speaker 1: twenty six. In this movie, she's I mean, holy shit,
Speaker 1: and she's playing the same role that the beautiful mean
Speaker 1: black yeah right, in both of those movies. She's so
Speaker 1: beautiful that she couldn't and that she actually leaves her
Speaker 1: like popular shitty friend and like tries to be a friend.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm misremembering this, but I remember her
Speaker 1: being like the nicer person who's like embracing a friendship
Speaker 1: with Laney Boss. Oh, I kind of do, but in
Speaker 1: this movie. Okay, so I doesn't really have much to
Speaker 1: do in this movie at all, hardly anything, but the
Speaker 1: one thing that really stuck out for me, So Gabrielle
Speaker 1: Union's character's name is Chastity. She's best friends with Bianca,
Speaker 1: the sister, and towards the end of the movie, Chastity
Speaker 1: shows up at prom and Bianco's all like, oh, what
Speaker 1: are you doing here? And she's like don't make the
Speaker 1: mistake of thinking you were the only sophomore who got
Speaker 1: invited to prom. So she basically turns on her friend
Speaker 1: for a guy, like for this Joey creep, And Chastity
Speaker 1: says to Bianca something like, Oh, he was only trying
Speaker 1: to go after you because he had a bet with
Speaker 1: his friends that he was going to score with you tonight.
Speaker 1: Chastity knows this, and she's still on the day with him.
Speaker 1: She knows that he was like trying to bang her
Speaker 1: friend for a bet. And then and Chastity is still like,
Speaker 1: but he's my date, just like, what what do you mean?
Speaker 1: The pickings are slim in high school? But that is
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie is a prime example of like
Speaker 1: women being catty and petty and in competition with each other,
Speaker 1: because we see Kat and her sister like having a
Speaker 1: really kind of antagonistic relationship. Towards the end, we see
Speaker 1: Chastity turning on Bianca over a guy, and it really
Speaker 1: reinforced a lot of these this idea that like, oh,
Speaker 1: like teen girls, they're they're so petty, they're so catty,
Speaker 1: they all just want to be with a man. Right, Wait,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong didn't Joey rape Cat? No?
Speaker 1: Well did he? They had a bad experience together, right,
Speaker 1: and that's why she like doesn't like him and doesn't
Speaker 1: want her sister to date him, but never tells her
Speaker 1: sister this. See I can see that being what was it?
Speaker 1: What did he do? So what happens is that Kat
Speaker 1: and Joey dated in ninth grade. They had sex one
Speaker 1: time because everyone else was doing it, so Cat was like,
Speaker 1: I'll do it too. They had sex, it was not
Speaker 1: pleasant for her. She decided she wasn't ready to do
Speaker 1: it again, and then Joey dumps her because she didn't
Speaker 1: want to keep having sex. So as far as consent goes,
Speaker 1: it's a little murky, but it seems like she consented
Speaker 1: to that's just not a sexual experience, right, And then
Speaker 1: she didn't she wasn't ready, which of course she was
Speaker 1: in ninth grade, Like that's so young. And then when
Speaker 1: she told him I'm not ready to keep doing this,
Speaker 1: he dumps her. So that's why she hates him so much.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's also implied that that's why
Speaker 1: she becomes a militant feminists, which I didn't like that
Speaker 1: implication either. Is like, because like Bianca references towards the
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie like oh yeah, like she used
Speaker 1: to be really cool and pular, and then she was
Speaker 1: just over it for who knows why, because she doesn't
Speaker 1: know about the joey thing yet. And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the only way you can become a feminist is if
Speaker 1: you've first been like really, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's scorned, scorned my men. And now feminism right, very
Speaker 1: Shakespearean where it's like, oh, yeah, she she was made
Speaker 1: into a fury like a woman's scar and now she's
Speaker 1: an evil reptile who is getting sent to the office. Right.
Speaker 1: That feels like a very like nineties idea of what
Speaker 1: makes you a feminist? Yeah yeah, yeah, very yeah. It's
Speaker 1: like you're on the right. Try, I see what you're doing,
Speaker 1: but you're wrong, right, all right, take into the quick
Speaker 1: break in the name we will come back in continue
Speaker 1: the discussion. Sound good, sounds great, and we are back.
Speaker 1: So a quick thing I wanted to touch on is
Speaker 1: whenever Cameron and Michael are approaching Patrick to be like
Speaker 1: Cameron and his old friend's old grown as man, the
Speaker 1: fucking seven year old high school freshman. So they're like, hey, Patrick,
Speaker 1: so we found out that cat likes pretty guys because
Speaker 1: apparently they found a picture of Jared Leto in her drawer. Basically,
Speaker 1: they're implying like, maybe make yourself a little bit prettier.
Speaker 1: And then Patrick says, are you saying I'm not Are
Speaker 1: you saying that I'm not pretty? I'm not a pretty guy.
Speaker 1: And I just want to point out that if he
Speaker 1: was a woman in this movie and they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're not pretty enough, you have to be prettier, there
Speaker 1: would be a whole makeover scene, like she'd have to
Speaker 1: be made tail. And then unfortunately Paula put in Naska's
Speaker 1: right there to pull it off. He's like, actually, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this weird goof e pasta meat ball accents
Speaker 1: and then slap and then plug your eyebrows, and you're
Speaker 1: I just did in Hathaway. Now it's time for right. So,
Speaker 1: But because because he is a man in this movie,
Speaker 1: he literally does not a single thing to have to
Speaker 1: change his appearance and he gets to just keep looking
Speaker 1: exactly the way he does, so I just want to
Speaker 1: point out, and also projects a confidence that is never
Speaker 1: lent to teenage girls in movies where he's like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I'm hot and they're like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: never never, you are, You're right, you're right. I felt
Speaker 1: like there was a weirdly like implied, like no homo
Speaker 1: moment after that too, where he's like, what do you
Speaker 1: mean you don't think I'm pretty? And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't. We can't see me because of our penis.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't, we wouldn't know because and then Joseph Gordon
Speaker 1: Levitt points to his oldest friend and he's like, did
Speaker 1: you know he just turned fifty There he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm almost sciatica. I got to go to the patrol
Speaker 1: preg He's like, that can give us a discount of Denny's.
Speaker 1: We should go. But more on that. So there's there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of like casual homophobia in this movie.
Speaker 1: Not as bad as some of the movies we've seen,
Speaker 1: especially from this era, but I would say like the
Speaker 1: like Joey drawing a dick on Michael's face as an
Speaker 1: example of that. There's a moment where Bianca, when she's
Speaker 1: talking about the photo of Jared Leto, she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I found this photo of a guy in her drawer,
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure she's not quote harboring same sex tendencies. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's another moment where Cameron and Michael talk about like
Speaker 1: wanting to partner up with Patrick, but not in like
Speaker 1: a prison scene way or something like that. So it's
Speaker 1: just like these kind of more subtle examples. It's like yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, which I feel like evolves into
Speaker 1: an even worse like John Appetau where it's like forty
Speaker 1: five minutes of every single John Apatow movie is like,
Speaker 1: but we're not gay friends, right, it's literally like a
Speaker 1: whole movie. Yeah, where's the Jason Segel has a friend
Speaker 1: who's a boy? I Love you man? That's the alternate
Speaker 1: title for right. So we're worth pointing out that this,
Speaker 1: like many nineties movies, is pretty liberal with its casual homophobia.
Speaker 1: She's a feminist, so we assume she was a lesbian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it looks like she likes dick because she found
Speaker 1: this phote. She likes pretty. It's like pretty. Also, they
Speaker 1: she had black panties, yeah, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: don't own black panties unless you're having sex, right, Like,
Speaker 1: how many teenage girls saw this movie and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, like the color of my underweard means something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and my mom was buying me black panties. So it's
Speaker 1: like this, fucking no, it's so when you get your
Speaker 1: period of staying sexy. No, that's literally what it's for
Speaker 1: five years. Alth I'm not gonna be wearing white underwear regularly.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't. Oh no, why underwear? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Stuff comes out of it. You know, we're leaking, rest,
Speaker 1: bleeding all all the time. Also full but underwear. I
Speaker 1: didn't like that that movie, like maybe also insinuate that,
Speaker 1: like thongs was six and that was the time when
Speaker 1: people started like wanting you to see the thong. I
Speaker 1: believe that was when we started hiking the thong up
Speaker 1: out of the past. Yes, so we'd say we were
Speaker 1: ready for six liter. It's like a flag mounting, like
Speaker 1: I bought you these because you as gonna chew up
Speaker 1: the underwear anyway. So you guys just get to the point.
Speaker 1: Well that So that reminds me of a moment in
Speaker 1: the movie where so it's after the party. Kat is
Speaker 1: in the car with Patrick. She has gotten very drunk.
Speaker 1: She's drunk, she's dancing on table. She throws up. At
Speaker 1: some point she gets a concussion, he's like taking care
Speaker 1: of her, which whatever, But they're in the car and
Speaker 1: she's like, you know what, you're not as big of
Speaker 1: an asshole as I thought you were, even though you've
Speaker 1: been stalking me. And then she leans in for a kiss,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of you can tell that he
Speaker 1: sort of like entertains the idea of kissing her, but
Speaker 1: eventually decides against it, and he's like, maybe we should
Speaker 1: do this another time, and then that is the catalyst
Speaker 1: that gets her to turn on him again and fucking
Speaker 1: hate him, where then he needs to do that big
Speaker 1: romantic gesture of like singing in front of everyone in
Speaker 1: the stadium to win her back. But like, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make sense of her becoming furious at him because
Speaker 1: he refuses to kiss her when she's drunk, or maybe
Speaker 1: he refuses to kiss her because he knows that she
Speaker 1: because she just threw up, or because he is having
Speaker 1: like a conflict of his conscience where he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've been paid to take her out, and like then
Speaker 1: this feels like taking advantage of her. Like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure makes sense of this scene. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird writing choice, because I feel
Speaker 1: like the more likely outcome of that would be she'd
Speaker 1: be super fucking embarrassed and what maybe not talk to
Speaker 1: him because she was embarrassed that she tried to kiss
Speaker 1: him when she was really drunk and he turned her down,
Speaker 1: like I can, let's not say they're like you, you
Speaker 1: embarrassed her, like she's embarrassed, and then that manifest into anger,
Speaker 1: I guess. But what I'm kind of grappling with is like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know she's this headstrong feminist, but by this point
Speaker 1: in the movie, she's not not any more not feminist titties,
Speaker 1: but she was definitely a feminist who was not trying
Speaker 1: to show no tea yeah, tends to like get a
Speaker 1: guy out of detention. I would think that, like she
Speaker 1: would appreciate a guy not wanting to take advantage of
Speaker 1: her when she was drunk. That's what gets her so
Speaker 1: mad at him. So I'm just like, it feels like
Speaker 1: a weird writing choice, which I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this movie is probably written by men and directed my men,
Speaker 1: but it is written by two women, two women who
Speaker 1: have written a lot of famous stuff. The writing team
Speaker 1: is Kirsten Smith and Karen McCullough. Uh so this is
Speaker 1: their first big thing. I guess that this is based
Speaker 1: on Karen McCullough's high school diary called ten Things I
Speaker 1: Hate about Anthony. But what they've written together is Tendings
Speaker 1: they hate about you. Legally Blonde, Ella Enchanted, She's the man,
Speaker 1: the house bunny, the ugly truth, crazy kind of love
Speaker 1: and oh this makes sense because all those movies are
Speaker 1: about bitches times in the whole life for a man.
Speaker 1: Like bitch went to law school for a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't taken to elsass for no did I ain't
Speaker 1: did good enough for me to be out of here studying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess she eventually realized she wanted to
Speaker 1: do it herself, but she was out of her study
Speaker 1: for Dick. Absolutely, not too much Dick in the world,
Speaker 1: but there is there is kind of like this overture
Speaker 1: with like where it's like great that a female writing
Speaker 1: team is getting so much work, but the overture in
Speaker 1: their work that's Ellen and Chances is literally about a
Speaker 1: woman who is cursed by a whitch and cannot say no.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I remember reading the book when
Speaker 1: I was little and being like this is cool. And
Speaker 1: then Anne Hathaway was in the movie adaptation. It's about
Speaker 1: a girl who's cursed and cannot say no until she
Speaker 1: like falls in love or until something breaks the spell.
Speaker 1: She's the Man, and that's another Shakespeare adaptation. Well, actually
Speaker 1: She's the Man is the only one I feel like
Speaker 1: where she was trying to go play soccer, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. Oh yeah you got. You should
Speaker 1: definitely review it, because I feel like that one, that's
Speaker 1: the only one they wrote that actually is decent. The
Speaker 1: rest of them were like, change yourself for dick. She doesn't.
Speaker 1: She dresses up as her brother so that she can
Speaker 1: play soccer. But in that she does the journey. She
Speaker 1: does kiss Channing Tatum, So okay, I'll watch this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kisses Channing Tatum. I love her, release her. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's certain choices in this movie, that being one
Speaker 1: of them where she's like, you refuse to kiss me
Speaker 1: because I was drunk and you might have felt like
Speaker 1: you were taking a mantage me. Well fuck, like it
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. What bothers
Speaker 1: me more is the like this is like latent and
Speaker 1: most teen movies of this era of like kind of
Speaker 1: the story rewarding Heath Ledger for doing the bear minimum
Speaker 1: of like he didn't take advantage of her when she
Speaker 1: was drunk. What a great guy. God, he did not
Speaker 1: even try to attack her. Give him a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like, okay, there, but that happens all
Speaker 1: the time in movies like this. It's like not, Well,
Speaker 1: it's because men in movies act so horrific that whenever
Speaker 1: they do just the baseline decent thing, we as the
Speaker 1: audience are like, wow, what a hero forgetting that. Literally,
Speaker 1: like he didn't rape her. Oh my god, I love him.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy. You gotta lock that down. A
Speaker 1: girl man that don't rape O, sign me up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's literally what it is. Yeah. Also the singing notion.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that anybody can make that look cool.
Speaker 1: And like they had him like slant down his lipole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had him slide down the pole. He's like, if
Speaker 1: I slide down this pool, maybe she'll slide down my pool. HENA,
Speaker 1: go gross. So do you want to talk about the sisters? Yes,
Speaker 1: beautiful transition. Um, Well, first let's talk about the dad
Speaker 1: because I didn't realize I'm on the I'm on the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page. Their dad is supposed to be an obstetrician,
Speaker 1: which makes his character even weirder where his I don't know,
Speaker 1: this was like an element of I'm sure something that
Speaker 1: came from the Shakespeare play that just was never going
Speaker 1: to translate to modern times at all, because it's so
Speaker 1: weird where he's like, I know what I'll do, Oh
Speaker 1: make my daughter is engage in a creepy, perverted bit.
Speaker 1: That's my idea. But the dead character is just very
Speaker 1: very bizarre. I don't hate where his storyline ends, but
Speaker 1: his whole thing is he's he is an obstetrician who
Speaker 1: is convinced that if his daughters, if he allows his
Speaker 1: daughters to go on a date, they will get pregnant.
Speaker 1: Like he believes this firm because he's always talking about
Speaker 1: like the babies that he delivers from teen moms who
Speaker 1: he slept, shames, shames for having addictions, like it's a
Speaker 1: whole thing, and then he's obsessed with like controlling his
Speaker 1: daughter's Body's basically where he's like, you can't date because
Speaker 1: you're probably get pregnant, and he doesn't apply that if
Speaker 1: they got pregnant, it would be their fault, like they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to help themselves but get pregnant, which
Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, I just didn't understand why he
Speaker 1: had to. I guess they were trying to validate his
Speaker 1: obsession with their sexuality through his job. But that's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's not like, would you like, don't be out there
Speaker 1: fucking I'm gonna check you out, pussies, what you give in?
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, I spent all day looking at
Speaker 1: teenagers vaginas, and therefore you're like, like, these are my
Speaker 1: qualifications for being so worried about your vagina? Right? Like what?
Speaker 1: It just grows? I didn't That didn't register with me
Speaker 1: at all when we watched it, and now I hate
Speaker 1: even more. It's so creepy because it just seemed like
Speaker 1: that was all he really cared about you. They days
Speaker 1: will go in you know nothing about these His daughter
Speaker 1: gets into Sarah Lawrence and he's like, oh, don't go
Speaker 1: to that school. Sure, but that hymen though? Is it intact? Well?
Speaker 1: And not especially that we know that their mom left,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what was that marriage? Like is he like
Speaker 1: the problem he might be the problem. I think he's
Speaker 1: the problem the woman left ship and like left her
Speaker 1: daughters with like something amiss with Paula Puta. He also
Speaker 1: makes Bianca wear that like pregnancy suit with like the giant,
Speaker 1: like the closest he could get to a chasty belt. God. Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess that at least because I had a question
Speaker 1: like why did he just have a pregnancy suit? Because
Speaker 1: I guess he's an institution that makes more sense. But
Speaker 1: still at the house, I don't think, yeah, that's in
Speaker 1: his office. He's not making house. Don't do house calls,
Speaker 1: and if so, put him in jail. I didn't hate
Speaker 1: where his last scene was not the worst. I'll hand
Speaker 1: him that where he kind of out of know where
Speaker 1: starts saying like but it's not until he finds out
Speaker 1: that she's like dating a guy, and it's like not
Speaker 1: as much of a shrew that he's like, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: let you go to college. Like it's just I didn't
Speaker 1: hate it, but it was like it's better than him
Speaker 1: being an asshole, a weird, pervy asshole the whole movie,
Speaker 1: because there is a scene where it's after Kat has
Speaker 1: wrecked into Joey's car and he goes like, my insurance
Speaker 1: doesn't cover PMS. He's a feminist icon. He's like, are
Speaker 1: you punishing me about Sarah Lawrence? And she's like, stopped
Speaker 1: making my decisions for me. And he's like, I'm your father.
Speaker 1: I have the right to make decisions for you. And
Speaker 1: she's like, so what I want doesn't matter, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're eighteen, you don't know what you want. And then
Speaker 1: he says, you won't know what you'll want until you're
Speaker 1: forty five. Even if you get it, you'll be too
Speaker 1: old to use it because when you're forty sorry, everyone,
Speaker 1: you're too old to do anything woman, because like I've
Speaker 1: heard of them, but they don't come to that obriction
Speaker 1: because they're pussy is too old. Throughout this whole movie, though,
Speaker 1: Cats always saying like I want to make my own choices.
Speaker 1: I know what I want and I'm gonna pursue it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything else just because someone
Speaker 1: wants me to do it. I'm only going to do
Speaker 1: things I want to do. So she is like that
Speaker 1: to me, is like the best example of her being
Speaker 1: like a feminist character, because you know, other times she's like,
Speaker 1: you know, Ernest haming Way and blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: it's like her actual saying it and doing it where
Speaker 1: she's like, I make my own decisions. I don't let
Speaker 1: anyone influence me. I'm not going to just do something
Speaker 1: because it's cool, blah blah blah, like all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I admire that in a character. That's nice. But yeah,
Speaker 1: their dad is so weirdly controlling about their bodies and
Speaker 1: their sexuality. It's crazy. It's too much. And the sisters
Speaker 1: like they of course have to give them that sibling rivalry.
Speaker 1: And again like her little sister was awful like all
Speaker 1: the time, and like, but I feel like that's something
Speaker 1: that you see in teen movies and on TV all
Speaker 1: the time. It's like, oh, they're a teenager, so they're
Speaker 1: going to be awful. I wasn't allowed to be awful,
Speaker 1: is not allowed to beful at all. I ain't get
Speaker 1: no moments. I ain't getting like my mom was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're ready to fistfight, like like it's not happening. So
Speaker 1: I always see these movies and they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're teenagers, you know they're horrible. What I also like
Speaker 1: perpetuates this whole thing that bothers me that I've talked
Speaker 1: about with my friends from high school now where I
Speaker 1: feel like, for me in high school, it's like we
Speaker 1: watched all these movies where teenage girls are always butting
Speaker 1: heads and they're too petty to get along, and there's
Speaker 1: a million examples of it. And it was in high
Speaker 1: school most of my close friends were other girls. But
Speaker 1: I would never say that. I would always do that bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen year old line of like I actually
Speaker 1: get along better with guys because they're less drama and like,
Speaker 1: which is stupid. And I was lying, but I was like,
Speaker 1: if that was what I felt like, I had to say, like,
Speaker 1: get through where there is this weird like especially then
Speaker 1: hopefully we's so no but a weird media stigma where
Speaker 1: like women can't be friends with other women because then
Speaker 1: they'll talk and realize the whole world is a scam.
Speaker 1: Then they'll start sharing how much they make and realizing
Speaker 1: that they're oppressed. And the sister relationship just like kind
Speaker 1: of fell right into that with me, where it's Bianca
Speaker 1: is written to be a very dumb, horny character and
Speaker 1: it always bothers me when like there's female characters who
Speaker 1: you know, present more traditionally feminine and are more interested
Speaker 1: in sex, and that is conflated with being stupid or
Speaker 1: mean and that always sucks. But then been like the
Speaker 1: sister relationship, it's only resolved where they get along by
Speaker 1: the end, but it's only after all this stuff happens
Speaker 1: with boys, so they never find a way to meet
Speaker 1: in the middle with that man being the catalyst. Yah.
Speaker 1: And it would be such a more fun movie if
Speaker 1: Bianca was just like fucking horny, like cartoonishly horny, but
Speaker 1: like mean or stupid, just like wanting to fun so bad, right,
Speaker 1: because I can relate with that, like a fifteen year
Speaker 1: old that's like she's just so horny. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: start getting along until like they both have like a
Speaker 1: man to like anchor them whatever, and that trope of
Speaker 1: like beautiful girl has nice guy friend who is perfect man,
Speaker 1: but she ignores him. Okay, I want to talk about that,
Speaker 1: the fucking like in cell loser who follows you around
Speaker 1: and then you're like, I feel like that's honestly how
Speaker 1: my parents got met. My dad was it's like hey
Speaker 1: still here, and I was like, all right, I love
Speaker 1: him so much. They are romantic. So there's a scene
Speaker 1: early on, where Cameron and Mike are talking about Bianca
Speaker 1: and Michael's all like, oh, the her dad won't let
Speaker 1: her date and pretty the exposition at the elderly exposition machine,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you wouldn't even have a chance anyway,
Speaker 1: because she's so pretty, and pretty girls are so out
Speaker 1: of reach for us dorks because women who are conventionally
Speaker 1: attractive or superficial. Meanwhile, they are failing to acknowledge that
Speaker 1: the only girls that they are interested in are conventionally attractive,
Speaker 1: like they're not looking at like less conventionally attractive, So
Speaker 1: they're calling these girls vapid and conceded and superficial, even
Speaker 1: though they are so exactly. But of course they don't
Speaker 1: acknowledge that in any way, but we're supposed to. The
Speaker 1: movie makes us feel sorry for them because they're the
Speaker 1: dorks who can't get the pretty girl. Can't we get
Speaker 1: they're like that? How Elon Musk Okay, Characters like this
Speaker 1: the right Elon Musk exists of like the vengeful in
Speaker 1: cell nerd who feels entitled to the women around him,
Speaker 1: and and when when they're not interested in him because
Speaker 1: he's an asshole, he's like, I know I'll show you all.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you alone, move to space and like
Speaker 1: like entitled to the bad baches, Like, come on, now,
Speaker 1: we all know we got mirrors. We know where we
Speaker 1: at the scale, you know what I mean? You know
Speaker 1: when you see somebody and be like I could bag
Speaker 1: them where this is when you see somebody you can't.
Speaker 1: And they always are going after the people that are
Speaker 1: like this is the most popular girl in school. She's
Speaker 1: also one of the most attractive girls in school. So
Speaker 1: we're supposed to feel bad for yo ugly ass movie
Speaker 1: ugly like people are actually ugly, right, They're like, just
Speaker 1: like we're oversized clothes and slouch and then you'll be
Speaker 1: the ugly in cell that we all feel sorry for it.
Speaker 1: But she'll still be attractive enough that when you do
Speaker 1: kiss the hot girl, we're not repulsed. You going to
Speaker 1: call the police? You know what's gonna all the police?
Speaker 1: Are you making out with this hot person? Man? It's
Speaker 1: like Nev Campbell's character and the Craft whenever she like
Speaker 1: has a scar and they're like, oh, she's disgusting, and
Speaker 1: it's like no, she's Love Campbell and she's on her
Speaker 1: back and she covers it up the whole time, so
Speaker 1: she's just a fine bitch's but she said about that
Speaker 1: we don't see, um, it's so dumb. This movie is
Speaker 1: well written and funny in a lot of ways. Work
Speaker 1: now I'm so interested that because we did a bonus
Speaker 1: episode on Legally Blonde, and that's another movie that's so
Speaker 1: riddled with problems, but it's like funny unless I feel like,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised it's written by the same team because
Speaker 1: I have the same like internal dilemma where there's a
Speaker 1: lot wrong been like, but the stuff that's funny, I
Speaker 1: still kind of gas by this movie, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's funny and the characters are likable enough and the
Speaker 1: story is well crafted that like, I feel gas lit
Speaker 1: by it being good, but because it makes me kind
Speaker 1: of forget like how problematic so much. There's a moment
Speaker 1: where Bianca says, to catch, can't you find some blind
Speaker 1: deaf our word to take you to the movie so
Speaker 1: I can have one day? And it's just like say
Speaker 1: that in a movie, right, But yeah, so so many
Speaker 1: movies from this era and even into like the late
Speaker 1: two thousand's and probably you can find examples of it
Speaker 1: happening even more recently than that, where you know, homophobic
Speaker 1: slurs just are used, Slurs that disparage people with disabilities
Speaker 1: are used, and it's just like, holy crap, why our
Speaker 1: movies so bad? They're also problematic. It's tricky, but this
Speaker 1: is like I feel like, based on the other movies
Speaker 1: we've done in this era, it's like very late nineties
Speaker 1: girl Power, where it's you know, it's like it kind
Speaker 1: of looks like it could be good for women, but
Speaker 1: it ultimately like ends up doubling down on patriarchal stuff
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, we're gonna let you read a
Speaker 1: book now and you can say that men are bad,
Speaker 1: but you still got to end up with one, and
Speaker 1: he is going to be fooling you the whole time.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be awful the guy that you end up with. Right.
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe it was like I feel
Speaker 1: like everything kind of has like a inching kind of process,
Speaker 1: like we never really get to just bust out the
Speaker 1: gate as women, So maybe this was like just enough
Speaker 1: feminism that, you know, the network and executives were like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll take it. But she does Heath Ledger at the end, right,
Speaker 1: because we're going to need that. We're gonna need that
Speaker 1: after he checks her and doesn't apologize. Even better, if
Speaker 1: she asked for an apology and he puts his mouth
Speaker 1: on her. If she if she asked her an apology,
Speaker 1: make sure he interrupts her with his face. I feel
Speaker 1: like that was like their caveat. They were like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll have her asked for an apology, but I don't
Speaker 1: let me finish its progress progress. This is good. She
Speaker 1: Bianca does punch a guy andy him in the with
Speaker 1: such goofy sound effect. Those sound effecks are so loud.
Speaker 1: It's like but I like that scene because it was like,
Speaker 1: all right, she she's punching a guy for but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a sword noise that sounds for no reason because
Speaker 1: we just let it go. It's the nine Her hands
Speaker 1: are not sure. I love it feminism, I did. I
Speaker 1: did like seeing her gig is as a problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because usually you see two guys fighting over a girl,
Speaker 1: but this time you see a girl fighting a guy
Speaker 1: for a guy. And then there's a toxic masculinity moment
Speaker 1: of like take your sunglasses off, you get beat up,
Speaker 1: bad girl girl with boobs and vagina. You're a weak
Speaker 1: man and Vagina let me hit you with a boob.
Speaker 1: That teacher be ashamed. Do you know if you hit
Speaker 1: someone in the face with your boob, it does make
Speaker 1: a sword noise. That's just like the rules of feminism. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's also a moment where Bianca, whenever she's in her
Speaker 1: like French lessons with Cameron, asks him in French, when
Speaker 1: are you going to ask me out? Because heaven forbid
Speaker 1: she asked him out. Why can a woman just ask
Speaker 1: a man out? Yeah, Sandy Hawkins, bitch. There's there's one
Speaker 1: more moment between the two sisters. I wanted to site
Speaker 1: before I launched myself into space, and that was then.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where I fallen. I just think
Speaker 1: it's interesting that it happened. Was Julia Style says to
Speaker 1: alex Mac you don't always have to be who they
Speaker 1: want you to be, you know, and then her saying like,
Speaker 1: you don't need to dress or act in a way
Speaker 1: to get guys to like you, fair point. And then
Speaker 1: her sister responds by saying, I happened to like to
Speaker 1: be adored like I happened, and and I kind of
Speaker 1: like that too, where it's like it's almost similar to
Speaker 1: the scene between like Cat and Mr Morgan where I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: they're both kind of right, where it's not wrong to like,
Speaker 1: I'm now I feel defensive and like it's not wrong
Speaker 1: to like attention all the time. But it's not. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like she's not doing anything wrong by doing that.
Speaker 1: But also it's like, I don't know, it seems like
Speaker 1: a nice older sister moment to be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't want to do this, it's not like
Speaker 1: required that you do it. It doesn't result in anything
Speaker 1: in the story. You know, they keep doing the same
Speaker 1: bullshit right now, don't do the same bullshit no matter what.
Speaker 1: But at least they said it. That's like the whole
Speaker 1: deal with this movie is like they say a lot
Speaker 1: of feminist stuff and none of it has any impact
Speaker 1: on the story. Yeah, they don't do it, but I
Speaker 1: just say it. Actions ladies, come on, they're like, this
Speaker 1: is all the patriarchy would let us get away with.
Speaker 1: It's just like a few nods at us being free
Speaker 1: and owning ourselves, but also not doing those things. It's
Speaker 1: gotta sound good on a T shirt because then men
Speaker 1: can make money off of it, and that works I
Speaker 1: would like to think it after this movie ends and
Speaker 1: she graduates from high school and she goes off to
Speaker 1: Sarah Lawrence. Meanwhile, Heath Ledger stays in Seattle and like
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know's intern right, and they never see
Speaker 1: each other again, Like I feel like they just you know,
Speaker 1: they dated maybe for that summer. And then she's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to go off to study biochemistry
Speaker 1: to become a woman in Stema would have done a
Speaker 1: better drop in Palla putin Esca, but ultimately he would
Speaker 1: never accept a part that would be so reductive towards
Speaker 1: young women. So that's it. That's my feeling on That's
Speaker 1: the Alfred beginning, middle, and ends for this movie. Does
Speaker 1: anyone have any other final thoughts about ten Things I
Speaker 1: Hate about You? No? It just it just left me
Speaker 1: really wanting things in high school that I would never get. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie has a whole slew of problems,
Speaker 1: one of them being that you know, he manipulates her
Speaker 1: throughout the entire movie, and like so many people are
Speaker 1: complicit in this manipulation, where like Cat's sister is in
Speaker 1: on the whole thing, where she's like, yeah, help me
Speaker 1: do this, and It's also not realistic because since when
Speaker 1: can the high schoolers keep secrets? Right, Like this would
Speaker 1: be busted within twelve hours. Sure, but like the whole
Speaker 1: school knew and they just didn't tell her, right, there's
Speaker 1: no there's no way. So he's manipulating her. And I
Speaker 1: would say the manipulation isn't as bad as we see,
Speaker 1: and she's all that, but it's still inexcusable that he's
Speaker 1: accepting money and then of course does not apologize for it.
Speaker 1: He bribes her with a guitar. So he takes the
Speaker 1: money that the guy gave him to date cat gives
Speaker 1: her a guitar with broken to her car, broken to
Speaker 1: her vehicle, and left a guitar. Also, he only knows
Speaker 1: she likes guitars because he was stalking her at the
Speaker 1: guitar center. Following at a guitar center, That's the only
Speaker 1: reason he knows about this because he was literally like
Speaker 1: hanging out into bushes stalking her. Right, he broke into
Speaker 1: her car for this romantic gesture, and that like reinforces
Speaker 1: the other another thing that I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you tell young men this enough and it just becomes
Speaker 1: a part of their reality where it's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: can substitute being emotionally honest with yourself and others by
Speaker 1: purchasing things or doing nothing at all and just assuming
Speaker 1: people will go along with it. There's so many moments
Speaker 1: where he has to redeem himself in the movie because
Speaker 1: he has sucked up so badly. Some of those times
Speaker 1: it makes sense and some of it doesn't. But like
Speaker 1: the grand gesture of the song, singing in front of
Speaker 1: the whole school, the buying of the guitar, and it's
Speaker 1: like like he's doing this to redeem himself, but he's
Speaker 1: not verbally apologizing, and he shouldn't have manipulated her in
Speaker 1: the first place, which the movie fails to acknowledge. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's just a man one of these teen romps
Speaker 1: where I love, I love a good romp. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want. I still I liked the movie, so
Speaker 1: god damn it. Right. It's also a very expensive gift,
Speaker 1: you know how much high school was Like I just
Speaker 1: got rid of my worst boyfriend's shitty acoustic guitar this
Speaker 1: year because I'm like, yeah, this guy has some value
Speaker 1: to it. I yeah, I'm like, I have some assholes stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you sell it? Or just throw it away. I
Speaker 1: just left it outside and I put a sticky note
Speaker 1: and I said, this used to belong to an asshole.
Speaker 1: You can have it like a cursed guitar. That's a movie, Jamie,
Speaker 1: the cursed guitar. It's my good luck chuck guitar. What
Speaker 1: a time to be alive? What a time? Indeed? Well,
Speaker 1: should we discuss whether or not the movie passes the
Speaker 1: Bechdel test? Yeah it does. Here are some of my
Speaker 1: favorite passes. If I Bianca says, there's a difference between
Speaker 1: like and love. Like I like my sketchers, but I
Speaker 1: love my product backpack and what a plug? Right? Got sketchers?
Speaker 1: How can we get people wearing these ugly peak sketchers
Speaker 1: and Sacconi? Yes, Sacconi, Sacconi is a sketches, just notorious
Speaker 1: ugly ass shoes. Sketchers. They used to have those, you remember,
Speaker 1: laying those little pockets and kids are like, what's it for?
Speaker 1: But they were for condoms? Like, who's keeping a condom
Speaker 1: in their shoe? Anyways? Sophie raised her hand. Can't have
Speaker 1: a back, can't possibly have a back? Right? Yeah? Like, hey,
Speaker 1: get my wet shoe condom, let's do. Let me shake
Speaker 1: it off real quick. You're ready for me to put
Speaker 1: this in your orifices. I know that this is going
Speaker 1: on the most sensitive part of your body, but it's
Speaker 1: been in my shoe for three years. So Bianca says that,
Speaker 1: and then Chastiy says, but I love my sketchers, and
Speaker 1: then Bianca says, that's because you don't have a product
Speaker 1: back back. So great great capitalism happening. They're very very nice. Um.
Speaker 1: There's a scene with Miss Perky Alison Jenny's character where
Speaker 1: she's writing horny erotic fan fick in her office on
Speaker 1: work hours. She was so horny, so horny for the kids,
Speaker 1: she was for row thing. It was horrifying. She says Judith,
Speaker 1: what's another word for engorged? Judith says, I'll look it up.
Speaker 1: Miss Perkey says swollen. Churchid Cat comes in and says
Speaker 1: to messent, and then Miss Perky talks to her about
Speaker 1: how she's a heinous bitch. There is mention of a
Speaker 1: testicle retrieval operation, which I found to be very funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that's pretty much that conversation. But part parts
Speaker 1: of that past. Chastie says, I know you can be
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and I know you can be underwhelmed, but can
Speaker 1: you just be whelmed? And Bianca says, I think you can.
Speaker 1: In Europe a lot of dumb girl exchanges past the
Speaker 1: past that they're actually a whole, like asking questions like
Speaker 1: what is what wires me? Exactly? Does anybody no synonyms?
Speaker 1: Sex stuff? Another one of my favorites is Cat saying
Speaker 1: they're at the party, Bianca wait, and Bianca says, please
Speaker 1: do not address me in public, so it's like, don't
Speaker 1: talk to me, bitch. There's a similar funny one and
Speaker 1: she's all that where there's the one that passes the
Speaker 1: Bactel tests. It's like, I think you should kill yourself,
Speaker 1: and the girls like that's mean, but it passes a
Speaker 1: lot of passes between Cat and Bianca, between Bianca and Chastity,
Speaker 1: between Cat and ms Perky, between Kat and her friend Mandela,
Speaker 1: who we didn't talk about. But I feel like she's
Speaker 1: hardly worth mentioning because she loves William Shakespeare and that's
Speaker 1: just fine for her. Good for her. She's a scholar.
Speaker 1: Let's write the movie on our nipple scale, shall we
Speaker 1: do it? You give it nipples for how well you
Speaker 1: think the movie treats women zero to five nipples. Um,
Speaker 1: I doth giveth this film is one and a half
Speaker 1: beer flavored nipples, because that is a quote from the movie.
Speaker 1: Sounds gross, Mike's hard flavor. What kind of like we're
Speaker 1: talking about? I p A because if it's a I've
Speaker 1: declared myself too old for coarse light congratulations. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it's like like a chocolate stout nipple for me.
Speaker 1: So one and a half. We already talked about how
Speaker 1: manipulative the characters are to each other. How the guy
Speaker 1: who's doing most of the manipulation, the two guys who
Speaker 1: are like behind this whole scheme, are the ones who
Speaker 1: end up with the girls at the end. They don't
Speaker 1: have to apologize. You just get a guitar and everything's fine.
Speaker 1: Take a girls sailing and she'll love you forever. I
Speaker 1: know from experience. This is a very white movie. The
Speaker 1: few characters who are people of color are mostly just
Speaker 1: kind of scenery in this very white story. I do
Speaker 1: like that teacher character, Mr Morgan. I stand for him,
Speaker 1: but he does not get much screen time. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's just so many problems. I still enjoyed watching it,
Speaker 1: which hurts my heart to say, but I find it funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's It's just I'm glad I didn't watch this movie
Speaker 1: more as a teen, because I think it would have
Speaker 1: gasolate me a lot and made me like really misinterpret
Speaker 1: a lot of things and really influence what I thought
Speaker 1: romance was supposed to be and what I thought relationships
Speaker 1: were supposed to be. And I'm glad that I wasn't
Speaker 1: consuming a lot of that type of media at that age. Instead,
Speaker 1: I was watching, you know, movies where action heroes punch
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys and then there's only one woman
Speaker 1: in the story and she doesn't get to do anything.
Speaker 1: So all media is terrible. And if this movie, if
Speaker 1: this movie make fucked you when you were younger, let
Speaker 1: us know interested in hearing what is the movie that
Speaker 1: sucked you up? Right? So yeah, one and a half
Speaker 1: nipples and I will give one to Cat and one
Speaker 1: half nipple to her friend Mandela Cool. I will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a one and a half too.
Speaker 1: That that seems about right. Um. Yeah. The thing I
Speaker 1: think I like least about this movie is that it
Speaker 1: kind of makes a concerted effort to make it so
Speaker 1: that there's no feminist argument that you can make by
Speaker 1: they're being like, well, but this character is a feminist
Speaker 1: and she says this, and she says this, and she
Speaker 1: says this, and it's like, that's all done with the
Speaker 1: assumption that you're not going to challenge the fact that
Speaker 1: the movie be as about her being stripped of those
Speaker 1: things and having her change and then ultimately challenging men
Speaker 1: and an authority in general less in order to be happy.
Speaker 1: So plus, I mean, you made a bunch of great points,
Speaker 1: and I but it's a it's a funny movie. A
Speaker 1: dad character, Paula Putonesca really blew it in this. Really,
Speaker 1: he really was just like I look at teenagers vaginas
Speaker 1: all day and then I get home and I can
Speaker 1: keep controlling them. It's all I can think about. He's
Speaker 1: a little tween badge. His life revolves around tween badge
Speaker 1: and it's disturbing. Can we please never say that phrase again?
Speaker 1: It's the awful phrase. Actually our merch now. Uh So
Speaker 1: I'll give it a nip and a half, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to give the half to Bianca because I feel
Speaker 1: like there's there's more more there. And then I do
Speaker 1: like that she at the very least comes around on
Speaker 1: that Joey character and she's like, oh, he's a happened idiot.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go after this guy who is setting
Speaker 1: up a whole scheme, the whole Ponzi scheme to really
Speaker 1: win in the same everyone her best friend is cough
Speaker 1: and her like not trying to be her friend at all.
Speaker 1: He's never actually interested in real friendship. He just wants
Speaker 1: to be with her. But I think she's too hot.
Speaker 1: He's like, how do I get close to this fanast
Speaker 1: bitch runs He lies about he lies about being able
Speaker 1: to speak French just so he can tutor her. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: and she's so dumb she never will really don't speak
Speaker 1: like he's on Google Translate the entire time. Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, just like sexy dumb woman. Let me look
Speaker 1: this up and then I'll give my other nipple to um.
Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon love its old ass friend, the other one
Speaker 1: he needs that he's suffering. I like David Crumholtz, if
Speaker 1: only the old as friend hit hooked with the guidance
Speaker 1: counselor who was so horny, if a kid when he's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, my secret is I'm your age, and then
Speaker 1: good enough of me, she's like, okay, five of really
Speaker 1: horny fan fiction, let's do this. Is she also so
Speaker 1: horny because she's old and it's like, nah, that you're
Speaker 1: over forty five, you're useless into that? Yeah, that does
Speaker 1: seem like a slightly agist thing, or like a woman.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of times like when there's like
Speaker 1: a woman in a professional position, it's like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: she's so single that she's demented herself into her work
Speaker 1: because she can't get no ditch she I think we're
Speaker 1: filling in the blanks. I think she is in a
Speaker 1: polyum so real polyamorous relationships. I think that she just
Speaker 1: is very sex positive and very horny and embracing her
Speaker 1: sexual I hope. So we're just gonna have to say
Speaker 1: that that's what's happening that I'm good with that. I
Speaker 1: remember the first time I saw an older woman having
Speaker 1: sex on TV. It was Viola Davis get her Box
Speaker 1: eight on How to Get Away with Murder, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh funk, I don't want to watch my
Speaker 1: auntie get her box a. I was like, shoot, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be Auntie one day, and I'm definitely gonna still
Speaker 1: be getting my box. A IM like, go by your look.
Speaker 1: You don't get your box, don't hear about It's fineanced
Speaker 1: me every week. I want you to just be fucking
Speaker 1: in your office and not be the first the cold
Speaker 1: open to every every episode, Davis sucking on the stack
Speaker 1: of files. She's like, I'm gonna get you off for
Speaker 1: this murder, but first I'm gonna sun this finance. Man.
Speaker 1: It's so unprofessional on that show. It's it's so good.
Speaker 1: They had her fucking everywhere. She's like, yeah, here, I
Speaker 1: got a deposition, but let's sucking the courthouse. She's like,
Speaker 1: but first I gotta judge beforeition. He's like, we need
Speaker 1: to go to recess. Yes, we do say what you
Speaker 1: will about network TV, but it is fucking wild. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Sean has done so much for network TV. She let
Speaker 1: me watch Anna Lingus between two gay men, and I said, yes,
Speaker 1: this better be prime time network TV, and linguis yes
Speaker 1: us and all of our mom's friends are all watching it,
Speaker 1: which is kind of It's amazing. It's so amazing. Well, lady,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Oh I give it.
Speaker 1: I also give it one and a half nips, but
Speaker 1: one of the nips is like almost could be mistaken
Speaker 1: to be a black person's nipple. Yeah, that's how That's
Speaker 1: how much like diversity was in this movie that I
Speaker 1: was like, it was nineties diversity, like they make fun
Speaker 1: of it and not another team movie where it's like
Speaker 1: the black guy only says that is whack. But even
Speaker 1: as they're making fun of it in that movie, they're
Speaker 1: doing it because the black guy literally always says that
Speaker 1: is whack the whole movie. It's like a conundrum, like
Speaker 1: a paradox. Yeah, they do the joke, but they also
Speaker 1: subscribe to the problem. The problem. Yeah, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that's what this movie does. It's like it talks
Speaker 1: about like, oh, feminism and woke ship, but then it
Speaker 1: also like tells you with the actions that no, you
Speaker 1: come on now be a happy bach and shows howties
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all what men want is happy women
Speaker 1: like dress cute and showed it. Boobies going to be
Speaker 1: a shrew until you get some good dicking and then sorry,
Speaker 1: beef happy. I did just find out that Joseph Gordon
Speaker 1: Lemott's oldest friend, David Krumholtz, plays Bernard the Elf in
Speaker 1: the Santa Claus series. Yes, he crush. This is confusing.
Speaker 1: I have to go home, all right, Well we'll let
Speaker 1: you go. Lacy Lazy, thank you so much for being here.
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