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Speaker 1: On the dol Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing

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Speaker 1: it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Bachtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Loftus, and here we are doing this really silly

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Speaker 1: beat again for the second episode in a row. I

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Speaker 1: can't waiting to hear how much people fucking hate it.

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Speaker 1: I think whenever we do, Joseph Gordon limit movie, even

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Speaker 1: though he has Australian So we here on the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: Cast talk about the portrayal of women in movies. We

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Speaker 1: use the Bechtel test as a jumping off point to

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Speaker 1: It is a test that you apply to a movie.

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Speaker 1: It requires that a movie has two named female identifying characters.

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Speaker 1: They have to speak to each other, and that conversation

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Speaker 1: couldnot be about men. Very few movies past this very

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Speaker 1: simple test that doesn't sound that hard to pass. But

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Speaker 1: the thing is that movies hate women, and movies don't

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Speaker 1: test it really quick? Yeah? Hey, Caitlin, Hey Jamie. They

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Speaker 1: changed the name of my favorite donut. What they change

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Speaker 1: the name of my favorite donut and Duncan Donuts from

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Speaker 1: the vanilla cream donut to Life is a Party. So

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Speaker 1: every time I want to get my favorite donut, I

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Speaker 1: Life is a Party, and the person working there always laughs.

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Speaker 1: It sucks and that passed the Bechtel tests. It sure does.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that happened to you. Carry about your tragically

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the whole anyways, m wow, hey

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Speaker 1: quick plug. At the top of the show, if you

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Speaker 1: And that's why We're going to be doing a live

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Speaker 1: show in Los Angeles on September at nine pm at

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Speaker 1: The Ruby, which is a really cool comedy venue. We

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Speaker 1: covering Edwards Scissor Hands with one of my favorite people

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Speaker 1: for this particular episode because she recently did this amazing

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Speaker 1: video essay about the work of Tim Burton and how

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Speaker 1: gonna be a fun show, super fun, So don't forget

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Speaker 1: September at nine pm in Los Angeles at the Ruby.

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Speaker 1: For tickets, go to bectel cast dot com, click on

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Speaker 1: the live appearances tab. There's a link there, and come

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Speaker 1: to the show. And we're so excited to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a movie. And even before we do that,

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Speaker 1: let's introduce the guests that we have today with us.

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Speaker 1: She is wonderful. She is an actor, she is a comedian.

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Speaker 1: Lacy Mosley, Hey, thank you. Oh you know I've done

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Speaker 1: just that. I have a master's degree in intros, so

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Speaker 1: I got this. Welcome Thanks for coming, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me, Thank you for bringing us the movie we're

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Speaker 1: talking about today. Popular request, people ask for it a lot.

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Speaker 1: We're talking ten things I Hate about you? So, Lacy,

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Speaker 1: oh god, there's a lot to unpack. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: depicts the courtship of Petruccio and Katharina the headstrong, obdurate shrew. Initially, initially,

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Speaker 1: the play not for a long time years ago? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like in high school. It's so weird that they would

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Speaker 1: did like Romeo plus Juliette, and it was like, it's

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Speaker 1: lion King is great. Nel Gibson's in a Hamlet movie. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: So so the movie Ten Things I Hate About You

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Speaker 1: I'll do. The recap of the movie takes place in

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Speaker 1: I think in high school. Her sister, Bianca, who is

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Speaker 1: and then he leaves again, which I love that joke.

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00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: He's like all caught up. And then Mr Morgan gives

422
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: this monologue where he's like, oh, you're a white girl

423
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: who's like rich and entitled. Maybe like next time you

424
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 1: go to a PTA meeting you could ask them why

425
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 1: they don't buy any books written by a black man. Like,

426
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: So this whole scene it has it all but everything

427
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: he Ledger enters in accents and then there is some

428
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: Heath just threw him in. Look for a second, people

429
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: are going to get tired. So there's like there's a

430
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: comment on like feminism and the patriarchy and misogyny, there's

431
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: comment on race. This whole scene basically establishes how much

432
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: of a like buzz kill Cat is because she has

433
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: like strong opinions and speaks out against the patriarchy. But

434
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: I do like that it's she's also kind of like

435
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: put in her place of being like a privileged white

436
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: girl by her teacher because it's like, at the end

437
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: of the day, like both of Bianca and Cat Julia styles,

438
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: they're both fucking rich and like a lot of the

439
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: reason they can even when Julia Styles's character like rebels

440
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: against the patriarchy. She does it in like kind of

441
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: privileged ways, like hitting Joey's car. It's like, Okay, that's cool,

442
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: and that's like putting a shitty dude in his place.

443
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: But also, you wouldn't do that if you didn't know

444
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: your dad was going to pay for the damages, Like

445
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: you can't just I don't know. Then you have to

446
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: physically hit his car with your face. You have to

447
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: fight your car. Too poor to actually hit your car

448
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: with my car because she wouldn't have a car, and

449
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: so she's like trying to fight your car, fight your

450
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: which would have been more entertaining. Yeah, I would love

451
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: to see Julia a car. So that's kind of the

452
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: setup of her character and how like everyone else used

453
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: her and the whole idea the movie is similar to

454
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: what it sounds like the Taming of the True is,

455
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: is that like she needs to be softened up, like

456
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: she's too bitchy, like no one likes her, so we

457
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: need Heath Ledger to come along and you know, show

458
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: her how to be nicer. She needs to be tricked by,

459
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: which is also such a fucking guy fantasy that like

460
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: you can pay a guy. This is more realistic for women. You.

461
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: I feel like you could probably more realistically pay a

462
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: woman to seduce a man than you could pay a

463
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: guy to seduce a woman. You're not good at it?

464
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: That fine? Really, Yeah you tricked me out of here,

465
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: which your magical dick like like, but men love that

466
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: notion that they think, they think it's real that they

467
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: could trick a woman into falling love. It's like that's

468
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: what we do to y'all every day we talk about

469
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: It's called your trophy wife. You know, your big ugly

470
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: ass wouldn't be with that. Fine, Ask any woman if

471
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: you handle day of money? She gone you there's yeah,

472
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: and like good for her? I don't know, great for her.

473
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm just tired of like I mean, I guess some

474
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: jiggalows some there are some men out here who probably

475
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: could like slang it around and well there's a whole

476
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: industry of like pickup artist. Oh yeah, that works great,

477
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: doesn't it. They're always the game, Ugly. I have a

478
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: horrifying confession to make. Are you a pickup artist? I've

479
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: been magging you for years? No, I slept with someone

480
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: who had I like woke up and I was like,

481
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's I'm I'm literally next to a

482
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: copy of the game with golden bossed pages. It was

483
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: a really nice copy of the game. It was an

484
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: anniversary edition of the game. Did you steal it and

485
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: burn it? No? I slipped out and I haven't been

486
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: heard from since. But it was what Oh god, pick

487
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: up artists? Bad bad, bad bad well, um so cat.

488
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: The other thing about her is that because she's like

489
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: a feminist, she's also like painted as this like frigid

490
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: woman who would never want a day like exactly, why

491
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: are there so many movies where it's a teen boy

492
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: tricking a teen girl and then he's the love interest.

493
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: It's like weird. I started this off as a con

494
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: but then I fell in love, like I caned by

495
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: my own con My heart conned me, and now I

496
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: got feelings. Now I got feelings, and lucky for you,

497
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: I got feelings right where You're like that, But that's

498
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: always how it's presented to He's like, well, now I

499
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: have feelings for you, so congratulations, you got me. I

500
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: was trying to get you and you got me, and

501
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: now you're stuck with me and you have to be

502
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, even though I've already established I'm a fucking liar.

503
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I think this is how men feel about falling in

504
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: love though, Like they're like, oh, I just came to fucking,

505
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, steal money out of your purse. But but

506
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: then I said to love you girl. Those lips on

507
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: your face, they're good for more the sex pleasure. What

508
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: telling me I'm cool? You can push some real complimentary

509
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: words about me out of that face of yours? Right? Uh?

510
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: Not not? It doesn't bode well for Keith. There's a

511
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: Keith for Heath Jesus Christ r R I P. Clearly

512
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm very in best leg Hidden brother sounds like a

513
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: conspiracy here. Keith is still laughing on the Island Way Leisure.

514
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: It's a real thing. You can't see the Keith Ledger

515
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: hologram show. That's now my new favorite expiracy period. The

516
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: ways he goes after like wooing her also so interesting

517
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah he paid the band off, yeah right, yeah,

518
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: with Joey's CRISP fifty. So now he's he's back in,

519
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, in the red like he's not making any

520
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: money anymore. Well yeah, yeah, so I guess you could

521
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: argue that because he doesn't actually take the money and

522
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: spend it on himself. That was apology. It's a wash.

523
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: I made no money off it. Is there that whole

524
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: scene where he like, I know that's like one of

525
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: the big like i'd seen that scene even though I've

526
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: never seen the movie with like the marching band, and yeah,

527
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: like but the way that scene unfolds is so weird

528
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: because it's the Julia Styles character. The second heath Ledger

529
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: starts to fringe her on the rag, she changes as

530
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: a person entirely as these movies go, where it's like

531
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: two weeks earlier, if he had pulled that thing with

532
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: the marching band, she would have been horrified and disgusted

533
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: by it. But after he, you know, like whatever, kisses

534
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: her one time, she's like, oh my gosh, this is

535
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: so nice. But then there's also like cops chasing heath Ledgers.

536
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: They're also like a professional stadium, like who'se high school

537
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: got a colosseum for them to do soccer practicing, Like

538
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: it was a big as we had like three bleachers

539
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: put together, like the sounds like lawn chairs. Like their

540
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: school looks like Hogwarts. It's really crazy. I was like,

541
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: where did they shoot this? And then like the p

542
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: A system is like real popping. I do love when

543
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: they spoof that scene though in Not Another Team Movie

544
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: looks like Jamie's got a good and like Jamie's girl,

545
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. But the romantic pursuit in this

546
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: movie is problematic and much like so many other romantic

547
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: pursuits we see in movies, where like Patrick has to

548
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: wear her down, like she keeps saying no at first,

549
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: he keeps trying, he keeps pushing past the no. He

550
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: like shows up by her car and I'm parking lot.

551
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: He shows up at this club that she's at the show,

552
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: like he stops her and he's and like he's talking

553
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: about the game. Like this guy is negging her at

554
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: every turn. There's that towards the end where he follows

555
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: her to Guitar Center and Barnes and Noble, which is

556
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: such a high school day that it kills me, just

557
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: like we're two places I can just spend an hour

558
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: and for no fucking reason. But you know, he's like

559
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: following her and staring at her through a bookcase and

560
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: she says like you're so and he's like what charming

561
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: and she's like unwelcome And then he just negs her

562
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: the whole scene, and it just like reinforces that whole

563
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: like the more she says no, the more she secretly

564
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: means yes, which is like the most poisonous thought to

565
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: tell young men ever. And it also only really works

566
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: or is tolerable at least if the man is somewhat attractive.

567
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: My mom marks. My mom's a VPHR for a hospital

568
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: system in Texas, and she was like, attractive man never

569
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: get called in Aga. She's like, they ache and kiss

570
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: you on the cheek and you'd be like, okay, But

571
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: if you're ugly, well, Jamie, it's like your test test.

572
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: Put it in the colosseum scene. If Steve Bushemy comes

573
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: out of the and he's got a microphone neat scene,

574
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: can't take my eyes off of you and starts dancing.

575
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: He's killed, he's awful. Shoot him down, murder, murder him

576
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: in front of all the other high they just murder him. Yeah,

577
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: that scene does not pass test at all. But the

578
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: scene because it's heath Legend, because he's handsome and charming,

579
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: that big romantic gesture that he does like redeems him

580
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: in cat's eyes, which is like so bad. And then

581
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: he gets detention for that, and then she goes and

582
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: she like break him out of detention. In that scene

583
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: where like Jamie you were saying, she completely changes everything

584
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: we know about her. She changes her whole personality and

585
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: she becomes someone who will flash her her soccer coach

586
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: in order to distract him to get the guy that

587
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: has been stalking her to be able to sneak out

588
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: of detention so that they can go paddle boarding and

589
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: playing paintball. It's so very weird scene and everyone's like, oh,

590
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: go cat like like, finally you're doing what we want

591
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: you to do the whole time smile. A thrilling moment

592
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: for the A cups though, of like oh wow, to

593
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: think that people would want us to do that them

594
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: titty distracted him. Not a popular request? What not? A

595
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: not a popular request for the A cup crowd, So

596
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: in that way a small thrill. Also, that teacher character

597
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: was like what was going on with him? Where he

598
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: he was just like, I don't know what he was doing,

599
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: but he was so horny at the beginning of the

600
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: scene and then just grew horner, hornier and hornier, and

601
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: then stopped in his tracks for ten full seconds by

602
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Julia Stiles A Cups. It was just very she she

603
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: was like assaulting him. She's like grabbing onto his arms. Oh,

604
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: your biceps are so big, and and then flashes like

605
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: and also that you would distract your teacher like this

606
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: you guy just talk to him like, hey, you know

607
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: to get my periodism, you know something else that's also

608
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: not feminist, but you gotta you gotta show him your

609
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: right and I guess he can't report you. I guess

610
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to. He liked he was fully engaged. Yeah,

611
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: but that choice, like she goes from this like militant

612
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: feminist to like, yeah, I'll use my boobs to like

613
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: help out a guy who's been stalking me. Like it

614
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense, and like maybe it's like, okay,

615
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: well she's in high school. She's young and impressionable, like

616
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: maybe that explains that behavior away, but also commented on

617
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: at all. It's not commented on. And then so many

618
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: of these teen movies where it is like these impressionable

619
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: young people who are getting manipulated by each other, who

620
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: are like being stalked, and it's like, oh, well they

621
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: were teens, they didn't know any better. And it's like well,

622
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: maybe don't set all these movies in high school, then, like,

623
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: where's the rom com with people in their fifties? Anyways,

624
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: Gabril Union, this is the same year that Tre's All

625
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: That comes out, so the same movie comes out twice.

626
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: Union is literally in both of them, but she's she's

627
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: twenty six. In this movie, she's I mean, holy shit,

628
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: and she's playing the same role that the beautiful mean

629
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: black yeah right, in both of those movies. She's so

630
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: beautiful that she couldn't and that she actually leaves her

631
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: like popular shitty friend and like tries to be a friend.

632
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm misremembering this, but I remember her

633
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: being like the nicer person who's like embracing a friendship

634
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: with Laney Boss. Oh, I kind of do, but in

635
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: this movie. Okay, so I doesn't really have much to

636
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: do in this movie at all, hardly anything, but the

637
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: one thing that really stuck out for me, So Gabrielle

638
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: Union's character's name is Chastity. She's best friends with Bianca,

639
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: the sister, and towards the end of the movie, Chastity

640
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: shows up at prom and Bianco's all like, oh, what

641
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: are you doing here? And she's like don't make the

642
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: mistake of thinking you were the only sophomore who got

643
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: invited to prom. So she basically turns on her friend

644
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: for a guy, like for this Joey creep, And Chastity

645
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: says to Bianca something like, Oh, he was only trying

646
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: to go after you because he had a bet with

647
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: his friends that he was going to score with you tonight.

648
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: Chastity knows this, and she's still on the day with him.

649
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: She knows that he was like trying to bang her

650
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: friend for a bet. And then and Chastity is still like,

651
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: but he's my date, just like, what what do you mean?

652
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: The pickings are slim in high school? But that is

653
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie is a prime example of like

654
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: women being catty and petty and in competition with each other,

655
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: because we see Kat and her sister like having a

656
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: really kind of antagonistic relationship. Towards the end, we see

657
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: Chastity turning on Bianca over a guy, and it really

658
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: reinforced a lot of these this idea that like, oh,

659
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: like teen girls, they're they're so petty, they're so catty,

660
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: they all just want to be with a man. Right, Wait,

661
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong didn't Joey rape Cat? No?

662
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: Well did he? They had a bad experience together, right,

663
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: and that's why she like doesn't like him and doesn't

664
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: want her sister to date him, but never tells her

665
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: sister this. See I can see that being what was it?

666
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: What did he do? So what happens is that Kat

667
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: and Joey dated in ninth grade. They had sex one

668
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: time because everyone else was doing it, so Cat was like,

669
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: I'll do it too. They had sex, it was not

670
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: pleasant for her. She decided she wasn't ready to do

671
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: it again, and then Joey dumps her because she didn't

672
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: want to keep having sex. So as far as consent goes,

673
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: it's a little murky, but it seems like she consented

674
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: to that's just not a sexual experience, right, And then

675
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: she didn't she wasn't ready, which of course she was

676
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: in ninth grade, Like that's so young. And then when

677
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: she told him I'm not ready to keep doing this,

678
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: he dumps her. So that's why she hates him so much.

679
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's also implied that that's why

680
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: she becomes a militant feminists, which I didn't like that

681
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: implication either. Is like, because like Bianca references towards the

682
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie like oh yeah, like she used

683
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: to be really cool and pular, and then she was

684
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: just over it for who knows why, because she doesn't

685
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: know about the joey thing yet. And then it's like, oh,

686
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: the only way you can become a feminist is if

687
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: you've first been like really, I don't know, I don't know.

688
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: It's scorned, scorned my men. And now feminism right, very

689
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: Shakespearean where it's like, oh, yeah, she she was made

690
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 1: into a fury like a woman's scar and now she's

691
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: an evil reptile who is getting sent to the office. Right.

692
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: That feels like a very like nineties idea of what

693
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: makes you a feminist? Yeah yeah, yeah, very yeah. It's

694
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: like you're on the right. Try, I see what you're doing,

695
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: but you're wrong, right, all right, take into the quick

696
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: break in the name we will come back in continue

697
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: the discussion. Sound good, sounds great, and we are back.

698
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: So a quick thing I wanted to touch on is

699
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: whenever Cameron and Michael are approaching Patrick to be like

700
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: Cameron and his old friend's old grown as man, the

701
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: fucking seven year old high school freshman. So they're like, hey, Patrick,

702
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: so we found out that cat likes pretty guys because

703
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: apparently they found a picture of Jared Leto in her drawer. Basically,

704
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: they're implying like, maybe make yourself a little bit prettier.

705
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: And then Patrick says, are you saying I'm not Are

706
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: you saying that I'm not pretty? I'm not a pretty guy.

707
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: And I just want to point out that if he

708
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: was a woman in this movie and they were like, hey,

709
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: you're not pretty enough, you have to be prettier, there

710
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: would be a whole makeover scene, like she'd have to

711
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: be made tail. And then unfortunately Paula put in Naska's

712
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: right there to pull it off. He's like, actually, I'm

713
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: gonna do this weird goof e pasta meat ball accents

714
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: and then slap and then plug your eyebrows, and you're

715
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: I just did in Hathaway. Now it's time for right. So,

716
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: But because because he is a man in this movie,

717
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: he literally does not a single thing to have to

718
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: change his appearance and he gets to just keep looking

719
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: exactly the way he does, so I just want to

720
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: point out, and also projects a confidence that is never

721
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: lent to teenage girls in movies where he's like, what

722
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I'm hot and they're like, oh, sorry,

723
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: never never, you are, You're right, you're right. I felt

724
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: like there was a weirdly like implied, like no homo

725
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: moment after that too, where he's like, what do you

726
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: mean you don't think I'm pretty? And they're like, oh,

727
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: we don't. We can't see me because of our penis.

728
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: We wouldn't, we wouldn't know because and then Joseph Gordon

729
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: Levitt points to his oldest friend and he's like, did

730
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: you know he just turned fifty There he's like, oh,

731
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm almost sciatica. I got to go to the patrol

732
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: preg He's like, that can give us a discount of Denny's.

733
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: We should go. But more on that. So there's there's

734
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of like casual homophobia in this movie.

735
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: Not as bad as some of the movies we've seen,

736
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: especially from this era, but I would say like the

737
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: like Joey drawing a dick on Michael's face as an

738
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: example of that. There's a moment where Bianca, when she's

739
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: talking about the photo of Jared Leto, she's like, yeah,

740
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: I found this photo of a guy in her drawer,

741
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure she's not quote harboring same sex tendencies. Uh.

742
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: There's another moment where Cameron and Michael talk about like

743
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: wanting to partner up with Patrick, but not in like

744
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: a prison scene way or something like that. So it's

745
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: just like these kind of more subtle examples. It's like yeah,

746
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, which I feel like evolves into

747
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: an even worse like John Appetau where it's like forty

748
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: five minutes of every single John Apatow movie is like,

749
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: but we're not gay friends, right, it's literally like a

750
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: whole movie. Yeah, where's the Jason Segel has a friend

751
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: who's a boy? I Love you man? That's the alternate

752
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: title for right. So we're worth pointing out that this,

753
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: like many nineties movies, is pretty liberal with its casual homophobia.

754
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: She's a feminist, so we assume she was a lesbian. Yeah,

755
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: but it looks like she likes dick because she found

756
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: this phote. She likes pretty. It's like pretty. Also, they

757
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: she had black panties, yeah, and I was like, you

758
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: don't own black panties unless you're having sex, right, Like,

759
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: how many teenage girls saw this movie and they're like,

760
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: oh no, like the color of my underweard means something. Yeah,

761
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: and my mom was buying me black panties. So it's

762
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: like this, fucking no, it's so when you get your

763
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: period of staying sexy. No, that's literally what it's for

764
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: five years. Alth I'm not gonna be wearing white underwear regularly.

765
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't. Oh no, why underwear? Absolutely not.

766
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: Stuff comes out of it. You know, we're leaking, rest,

767
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: bleeding all all the time. Also full but underwear. I

768
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: didn't like that that movie, like maybe also insinuate that,

769
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: like thongs was six and that was the time when

770
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: people started like wanting you to see the thong. I

771
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: believe that was when we started hiking the thong up

772
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: out of the past. Yes, so we'd say we were

773
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: ready for six liter. It's like a flag mounting, like

774
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: I bought you these because you as gonna chew up

775
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: the underwear anyway. So you guys just get to the point.

776
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: Well that So that reminds me of a moment in

777
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: the movie where so it's after the party. Kat is

778
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: in the car with Patrick. She has gotten very drunk.

779
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: She's drunk, she's dancing on table. She throws up. At

780
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: some point she gets a concussion, he's like taking care

781
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: of her, which whatever, But they're in the car and

782
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: she's like, you know what, you're not as big of

783
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: an asshole as I thought you were, even though you've

784
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: been stalking me. And then she leans in for a kiss,

785
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: and then he kind of you can tell that he

786
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: sort of like entertains the idea of kissing her, but

787
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: eventually decides against it, and he's like, maybe we should

788
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: do this another time, and then that is the catalyst

789
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: that gets her to turn on him again and fucking

790
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: hate him, where then he needs to do that big

791
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: romantic gesture of like singing in front of everyone in

792
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 1: the stadium to win her back. But like, I'm trying

793
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: to make sense of her becoming furious at him because

794
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: he refuses to kiss her when she's drunk, or maybe

795
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: he refuses to kiss her because he knows that she

796
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: because she just threw up, or because he is having

797
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: like a conflict of his conscience where he's like, oh,

798
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: I've been paid to take her out, and like then

799
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: this feels like taking advantage of her. Like I'm trying

800
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: to figure makes sense of this scene. I feel like

801
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: it's just like a weird writing choice, because I feel

802
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: like the more likely outcome of that would be she'd

803
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: be super fucking embarrassed and what maybe not talk to

804
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: him because she was embarrassed that she tried to kiss

805
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: him when she was really drunk and he turned her down,

806
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: like I can, let's not say they're like you, you

807
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: embarrassed her, like she's embarrassed, and then that manifest into anger,

808
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: I guess. But what I'm kind of grappling with is like, Okay, well,

809
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: you know she's this headstrong feminist, but by this point

810
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: in the movie, she's not not any more not feminist titties,

811
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: but she was definitely a feminist who was not trying

812
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: to show no tea yeah, tends to like get a

813
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: guy out of detention. I would think that, like she

814
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: would appreciate a guy not wanting to take advantage of

815
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: her when she was drunk. That's what gets her so

816
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: mad at him. So I'm just like, it feels like

817
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: a weird writing choice, which I was like, oh, well,

818
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: this movie is probably written by men and directed my men,

819
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: but it is written by two women, two women who

820
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: have written a lot of famous stuff. The writing team

821
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: is Kirsten Smith and Karen McCullough. Uh so this is

822
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: their first big thing. I guess that this is based

823
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: on Karen McCullough's high school diary called ten Things I

824
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: Hate about Anthony. But what they've written together is Tendings

825
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: they hate about you. Legally Blonde, Ella Enchanted, She's the man,

826
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: the house bunny, the ugly truth, crazy kind of love

827
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: and oh this makes sense because all those movies are

828
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: about bitches times in the whole life for a man.

829
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: Like bitch went to law school for a man. Yeah,

830
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: I ain't taken to elsass for no did I ain't

831
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: did good enough for me to be out of here studying.

832
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess she eventually realized she wanted to

833
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: do it herself, but she was out of her study

834
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: for Dick. Absolutely, not too much Dick in the world,

835
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: but there is there is kind of like this overture

836
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: with like where it's like great that a female writing

837
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: team is getting so much work, but the overture in

838
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: their work that's Ellen and Chances is literally about a

839
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: woman who is cursed by a whitch and cannot say no.

840
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I remember reading the book when

841
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: I was little and being like this is cool. And

842
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: then Anne Hathaway was in the movie adaptation. It's about

843
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: a girl who's cursed and cannot say no until she

844
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: like falls in love or until something breaks the spell.

845
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: She's the Man, and that's another Shakespeare adaptation. Well, actually

846
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: She's the Man is the only one I feel like

847
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: where she was trying to go play soccer, I haven't.

848
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. Oh yeah you got. You should

849
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: definitely review it, because I feel like that one, that's

850
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: the only one they wrote that actually is decent. The

851
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: rest of them were like, change yourself for dick. She doesn't.

852
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: She dresses up as her brother so that she can

853
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: play soccer. But in that she does the journey. She

854
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: does kiss Channing Tatum, So okay, I'll watch this movie. Yeah,

855
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: kisses Channing Tatum. I love her, release her. So yeah,

856
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: there's there's certain choices in this movie, that being one

857
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: of them where she's like, you refuse to kiss me

858
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: because I was drunk and you might have felt like

859
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: you were taking a mantage me. Well fuck, like it

860
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. What bothers

861
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: me more is the like this is like latent and

862
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: most teen movies of this era of like kind of

863
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: the story rewarding Heath Ledger for doing the bear minimum

864
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: of like he didn't take advantage of her when she

865
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: was drunk. What a great guy. God, he did not

866
00:52:54,120 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: even try to attack her. Give him a million dollars.

867
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: Like it's just like, okay, there, but that happens all

868
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: the time in movies like this. It's like not, Well,

869
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: it's because men in movies act so horrific that whenever

870
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: they do just the baseline decent thing, we as the

871
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: audience are like, wow, what a hero forgetting that. Literally,

872
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: like he didn't rape her. Oh my god, I love him.

873
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: He's a good guy. You gotta lock that down. A

874
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: girl man that don't rape O, sign me up. Yeah,

875
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: And that's literally what it is. Yeah. Also the singing notion.

876
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: I just don't think that anybody can make that look cool.

877
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: And like they had him like slant down his lipole. Yeah,

878
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: they had him slide down the pole. He's like, if

879
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: I slide down this pool, maybe she'll slide down my pool. HENA,

880
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: go gross. So do you want to talk about the sisters? Yes,

881
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: beautiful transition. Um, Well, first let's talk about the dad

882
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: because I didn't realize I'm on the I'm on the

883
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Wikipedia page. Their dad is supposed to be an obstetrician,

884
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: which makes his character even weirder where his I don't know,

885
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: this was like an element of I'm sure something that

886
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: came from the Shakespeare play that just was never going

887
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: to translate to modern times at all, because it's so

888
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: weird where he's like, I know what I'll do, Oh

889
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: make my daughter is engage in a creepy, perverted bit.

890
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: That's my idea. But the dead character is just very

891
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: very bizarre. I don't hate where his storyline ends, but

892
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: his whole thing is he's he is an obstetrician who

893
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: is convinced that if his daughters, if he allows his

894
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: daughters to go on a date, they will get pregnant.

895
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: Like he believes this firm because he's always talking about

896
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: like the babies that he delivers from teen moms who

897
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: he slept, shames, shames for having addictions, like it's a

898
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: whole thing, and then he's obsessed with like controlling his

899
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: daughter's Body's basically where he's like, you can't date because

900
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: you're probably get pregnant, and he doesn't apply that if

901
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: they got pregnant, it would be their fault, like they

902
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to help themselves but get pregnant, which

903
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Also, I just didn't understand why he

904
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: had to. I guess they were trying to validate his

905
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: obsession with their sexuality through his job. But that's so weird.

906
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: It's not like, would you like, don't be out there

907
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: fucking I'm gonna check you out, pussies, what you give in?

908
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, I spent all day looking at

909
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: teenagers vaginas, and therefore you're like, like, these are my

910
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: qualifications for being so worried about your vagina? Right? Like what?

911
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: It just grows? I didn't That didn't register with me

912
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: at all when we watched it, and now I hate

913
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: even more. It's so creepy because it just seemed like

914
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: that was all he really cared about you. They days

915
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 1: will go in you know nothing about these His daughter

916
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: gets into Sarah Lawrence and he's like, oh, don't go

917
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: to that school. Sure, but that hymen though? Is it intact? Well?

918
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: And not especially that we know that their mom left,

919
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, what was that marriage? Like is he like

920
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: the problem he might be the problem. I think he's

921
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: the problem the woman left ship and like left her

922
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: daughters with like something amiss with Paula Puta. He also

923
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: makes Bianca wear that like pregnancy suit with like the giant,

924
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: like the closest he could get to a chasty belt. God. Oh,

925
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: I guess that at least because I had a question

926
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: like why did he just have a pregnancy suit? Because

927
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: I guess he's an institution that makes more sense. But

928
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: still at the house, I don't think, yeah, that's in

929
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: his office. He's not making house. Don't do house calls,

930
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: and if so, put him in jail. I didn't hate

931
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: where his last scene was not the worst. I'll hand

932
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: him that where he kind of out of know where

933
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: starts saying like but it's not until he finds out

934
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: that she's like dating a guy, and it's like not

935
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: as much of a shrew that he's like, Okay, I'll

936
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: let you go to college. Like it's just I didn't

937
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: hate it, but it was like it's better than him

938
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: being an asshole, a weird, pervy asshole the whole movie,

939
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: because there is a scene where it's after Kat has

940
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: wrecked into Joey's car and he goes like, my insurance

941
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: doesn't cover PMS. He's a feminist icon. He's like, are

942
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: you punishing me about Sarah Lawrence? And she's like, stopped

943
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: making my decisions for me. And he's like, I'm your father.

944
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: I have the right to make decisions for you. And

945
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: she's like, so what I want doesn't matter, and he's like,

946
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: you're eighteen, you don't know what you want. And then

947
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: he says, you won't know what you'll want until you're

948
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: forty five. Even if you get it, you'll be too

949
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: old to use it because when you're forty sorry, everyone,

950
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: you're too old to do anything woman, because like I've

951
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: heard of them, but they don't come to that obriction

952
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: because they're pussy is too old. Throughout this whole movie, though,

953
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: Cats always saying like I want to make my own choices.

954
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: I know what I want and I'm gonna pursue it.

955
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything else just because someone

956
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: wants me to do it. I'm only going to do

957
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: things I want to do. So she is like that

958
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: to me, is like the best example of her being

959
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: like a feminist character, because you know, other times she's like,

960
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, Ernest haming Way and blah blah blah. But

961
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: it's like her actual saying it and doing it where

962
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: she's like, I make my own decisions. I don't let

963
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: anyone influence me. I'm not going to just do something

964
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: because it's cool, blah blah blah, like all that stuff.

965
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: I admire that in a character. That's nice. But yeah,

966
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: their dad is so weirdly controlling about their bodies and

967
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: their sexuality. It's crazy. It's too much. And the sisters

968
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: like they of course have to give them that sibling rivalry.

969
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: And again like her little sister was awful like all

970
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: the time, and like, but I feel like that's something

971
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: that you see in teen movies and on TV all

972
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: the time. It's like, oh, they're a teenager, so they're

973
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: going to be awful. I wasn't allowed to be awful,

974
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: is not allowed to beful at all. I ain't get

975
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: no moments. I ain't getting like my mom was like, no,

976
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: you're ready to fistfight, like like it's not happening. So

977
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: I always see these movies and they're just like, oh,

978
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: they're teenagers, you know they're horrible. What I also like

979
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: perpetuates this whole thing that bothers me that I've talked

980
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: about with my friends from high school now where I

981
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: feel like, for me in high school, it's like we

982
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: watched all these movies where teenage girls are always butting

983
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: heads and they're too petty to get along, and there's

984
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: a million examples of it. And it was in high

985
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: school most of my close friends were other girls. But

986
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: I would never say that. I would always do that bullshit,

987
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen year old line of like I actually

988
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: get along better with guys because they're less drama and like,

989
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: which is stupid. And I was lying, but I was like,

990
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: if that was what I felt like, I had to say, like,

991
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: get through where there is this weird like especially then

992
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: hopefully we's so no but a weird media stigma where

993
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: like women can't be friends with other women because then

994
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: they'll talk and realize the whole world is a scam.

995
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: Then they'll start sharing how much they make and realizing

996
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: that they're oppressed. And the sister relationship just like kind

997
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: of fell right into that with me, where it's Bianca

998
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: is written to be a very dumb, horny character and

999
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: it always bothers me when like there's female characters who

1000
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, present more traditionally feminine and are more interested

1001
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: in sex, and that is conflated with being stupid or

1002
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: mean and that always sucks. But then been like the

1003
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: sister relationship, it's only resolved where they get along by

1004
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: the end, but it's only after all this stuff happens

1005
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: with boys, so they never find a way to meet

1006
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: in the middle with that man being the catalyst. Yah.

1007
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: And it would be such a more fun movie if

1008
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: Bianca was just like fucking horny, like cartoonishly horny, but

1009
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: like mean or stupid, just like wanting to fun so bad, right,

1010
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: because I can relate with that, like a fifteen year

1011
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: old that's like she's just so horny. Yeah, they don't

1012
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: start getting along until like they both have like a

1013
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: man to like anchor them whatever, and that trope of

1014
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: like beautiful girl has nice guy friend who is perfect man,

1015
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: but she ignores him. Okay, I want to talk about that,

1016
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: the fucking like in cell loser who follows you around

1017
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: and then you're like, I feel like that's honestly how

1018
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: my parents got met. My dad was it's like hey

1019
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: still here, and I was like, all right, I love

1020
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: him so much. They are romantic. So there's a scene

1021
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: early on, where Cameron and Mike are talking about Bianca

1022
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: and Michael's all like, oh, the her dad won't let

1023
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: her date and pretty the exposition at the elderly exposition machine,

1024
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: and he's like, you wouldn't even have a chance anyway,

1025
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: because she's so pretty, and pretty girls are so out

1026
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: of reach for us dorks because women who are conventionally

1027
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: attractive or superficial. Meanwhile, they are failing to acknowledge that

1028
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: the only girls that they are interested in are conventionally attractive,

1029
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: like they're not looking at like less conventionally attractive, So

1030
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: they're calling these girls vapid and conceded and superficial, even

1031
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: though they are so exactly. But of course they don't

1032
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: acknowledge that in any way, but we're supposed to. The

1033
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: movie makes us feel sorry for them because they're the

1034
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: dorks who can't get the pretty girl. Can't we get

1035
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: they're like that? How Elon Musk Okay, Characters like this

1036
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: the right Elon Musk exists of like the vengeful in

1037
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: cell nerd who feels entitled to the women around him,

1038
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: and and when when they're not interested in him because

1039
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: he's an asshole, he's like, I know I'll show you all.

1040
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you alone, move to space and like

1041
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 1: like entitled to the bad baches, Like, come on, now,

1042
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: we all know we got mirrors. We know where we

1043
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: at the scale, you know what I mean? You know

1044
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: when you see somebody and be like I could bag

1045
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: them where this is when you see somebody you can't.

1046
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: And they always are going after the people that are

1047
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: like this is the most popular girl in school. She's

1048
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: also one of the most attractive girls in school. So

1049
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: we're supposed to feel bad for yo ugly ass movie

1050
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: ugly like people are actually ugly, right, They're like, just

1051
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: like we're oversized clothes and slouch and then you'll be

1052
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: the ugly in cell that we all feel sorry for it.

1053
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: But she'll still be attractive enough that when you do

1054
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: kiss the hot girl, we're not repulsed. You going to

1055
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: call the police? You know what's gonna all the police?

1056
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: Are you making out with this hot person? Man? It's

1057
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: like Nev Campbell's character and the Craft whenever she like

1058
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: has a scar and they're like, oh, she's disgusting, and

1059
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: it's like no, she's Love Campbell and she's on her

1060
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: back and she covers it up the whole time, so

1061
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: she's just a fine bitch's but she said about that

1062
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: we don't see, um, it's so dumb. This movie is

1063
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: well written and funny in a lot of ways. Work

1064
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: now I'm so interested that because we did a bonus

1065
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: episode on Legally Blonde, and that's another movie that's so

1066
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: riddled with problems, but it's like funny unless I feel like,

1067
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised it's written by the same team because

1068
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: I have the same like internal dilemma where there's a

1069
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: lot wrong been like, but the stuff that's funny, I

1070
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: still kind of gas by this movie, Like I'm like,

1071
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: it's funny and the characters are likable enough and the

1072
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: story is well crafted that like, I feel gas lit

1073
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: by it being good, but because it makes me kind

1074
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: of forget like how problematic so much. There's a moment

1075
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: where Bianca says, to catch, can't you find some blind

1076
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: deaf our word to take you to the movie so

1077
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: I can have one day? And it's just like say

1078
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: that in a movie, right, But yeah, so so many

1079
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: movies from this era and even into like the late

1080
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: two thousand's and probably you can find examples of it

1081
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: happening even more recently than that, where you know, homophobic

1082
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: slurs just are used, Slurs that disparage people with disabilities

1083
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: are used, and it's just like, holy crap, why our

1084
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: movies so bad? They're also problematic. It's tricky, but this

1085
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: is like I feel like, based on the other movies

1086
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: we've done in this era, it's like very late nineties

1087
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: girl Power, where it's you know, it's like it kind

1088
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: of looks like it could be good for women, but

1089
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: it ultimately like ends up doubling down on patriarchal stuff

1090
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, we're gonna let you read a

1091
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: book now and you can say that men are bad,

1092
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: but you still got to end up with one, and

1093
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: he is going to be fooling you the whole time.

1094
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna be awful the guy that you end up with. Right.

1095
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,959
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe it was like I feel

1096
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: like everything kind of has like a inching kind of process,

1097
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: like we never really get to just bust out the

1098
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: gate as women, So maybe this was like just enough

1099
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: feminism that, you know, the network and executives were like, okay, okay,

1100
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: we'll take it. But she does Heath Ledger at the end, right,

1101
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: because we're going to need that. We're gonna need that

1102
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: after he checks her and doesn't apologize. Even better, if

1103
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: she asked for an apology and he puts his mouth

1104
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: on her. If she if she asked her an apology,

1105
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: make sure he interrupts her with his face. I feel

1106
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: like that was like their caveat. They were like, well,

1107
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: we'll have her asked for an apology, but I don't

1108
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: let me finish its progress progress. This is good. She

1109
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: Bianca does punch a guy andy him in the with

1110
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: such goofy sound effect. Those sound effecks are so loud.

1111
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: It's like but I like that scene because it was like,

1112
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: all right, she she's punching a guy for but yeah,

1113
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: there's a sword noise that sounds for no reason because

1114
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: we just let it go. It's the nine Her hands

1115
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: are not sure. I love it feminism, I did. I

1116
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: did like seeing her gig is as a problem. Yeah,

1117
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: because usually you see two guys fighting over a girl,

1118
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: but this time you see a girl fighting a guy

1119
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: for a guy. And then there's a toxic masculinity moment

1120
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: of like take your sunglasses off, you get beat up,

1121
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: bad girl girl with boobs and vagina. You're a weak

1122
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: man and Vagina let me hit you with a boob.

1123
01:07:53,360 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: That teacher be ashamed. Do you know if you hit

1124
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 1: someone in the face with your boob, it does make

1125
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: a sword noise. That's just like the rules of feminism. Uh.

1126
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: There's also a moment where Bianca, whenever she's in her

1127
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: like French lessons with Cameron, asks him in French, when

1128
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,879
Speaker 1: are you going to ask me out? Because heaven forbid

1129
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: she asked him out. Why can a woman just ask

1130
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: a man out? Yeah, Sandy Hawkins, bitch. There's there's one

1131
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: more moment between the two sisters. I wanted to site

1132
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: before I launched myself into space, and that was then.

1133
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't even know where I fallen. I just think

1134
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting that it happened. Was Julia Style says to

1135
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 1: alex Mac you don't always have to be who they

1136
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: want you to be, you know, and then her saying like,

1137
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: you don't need to dress or act in a way

1138
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: to get guys to like you, fair point. And then

1139
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: her sister responds by saying, I happened to like to

1140
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: be adored like I happened, and and I kind of

1141
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: like that too, where it's like it's almost similar to

1142
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: the scene between like Cat and Mr Morgan where I'm like, ah,

1143
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: they're both kind of right, where it's not wrong to like,

1144
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: I'm now I feel defensive and like it's not wrong

1145
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: to like attention all the time. But it's not. You know,

1146
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: it's like she's not doing anything wrong by doing that.

1147
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: But also it's like, I don't know, it seems like

1148
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: a nice older sister moment to be like, oh, you know,

1149
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: if you don't want to do this, it's not like

1150
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: required that you do it. It doesn't result in anything

1151
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: in the story. You know, they keep doing the same

1152
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: bullshit right now, don't do the same bullshit no matter what.

1153
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: But at least they said it. That's like the whole

1154
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: deal with this movie is like they say a lot

1155
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: of feminist stuff and none of it has any impact

1156
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: on the story. Yeah, they don't do it, but I

1157
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: just say it. Actions ladies, come on, they're like, this

1158
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: is all the patriarchy would let us get away with.

1159
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: It's just like a few nods at us being free

1160
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: and owning ourselves, but also not doing those things. It's

1161
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: gotta sound good on a T shirt because then men

1162
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: can make money off of it, and that works I

1163
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: would like to think it after this movie ends and

1164
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 1: she graduates from high school and she goes off to

1165
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: Sarah Lawrence. Meanwhile, Heath Ledger stays in Seattle and like

1166
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know's intern right, and they never see

1167
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: each other again, Like I feel like they just you know,

1168
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: they dated maybe for that summer. And then she's like,

1169
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to go off to study biochemistry

1170
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: to become a woman in Stema would have done a

1171
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: better drop in Palla putin Esca, but ultimately he would

1172
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: never accept a part that would be so reductive towards

1173
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: young women. So that's it. That's my feeling on That's

1174
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: the Alfred beginning, middle, and ends for this movie. Does

1175
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: anyone have any other final thoughts about ten Things I

1176
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: Hate about You? No? It just it just left me

1177
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: really wanting things in high school that I would never get. Yes,

1178
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie has a whole slew of problems,

1179
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: one of them being that you know, he manipulates her

1180
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 1: throughout the entire movie, and like so many people are

1181
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: complicit in this manipulation, where like Cat's sister is in

1182
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: on the whole thing, where she's like, yeah, help me

1183
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: do this, and It's also not realistic because since when

1184
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: can the high schoolers keep secrets? Right, Like this would

1185
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: be busted within twelve hours. Sure, but like the whole

1186
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: school knew and they just didn't tell her, right, there's

1187
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: no there's no way. So he's manipulating her. And I

1188
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: would say the manipulation isn't as bad as we see,

1189
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: and she's all that, but it's still inexcusable that he's

1190
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: accepting money and then of course does not apologize for it.

1191
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: He bribes her with a guitar. So he takes the

1192
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: money that the guy gave him to date cat gives

1193
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: her a guitar with broken to her car, broken to

1194
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: her vehicle, and left a guitar. Also, he only knows

1195
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: she likes guitars because he was stalking her at the

1196
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: guitar center. Following at a guitar center, That's the only

1197
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: reason he knows about this because he was literally like

1198
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: hanging out into bushes stalking her. Right, he broke into

1199
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: her car for this romantic gesture, and that like reinforces

1200
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: the other another thing that I feel like, you know,

1201
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: you tell young men this enough and it just becomes

1202
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: a part of their reality where it's like, oh, you

1203
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: can substitute being emotionally honest with yourself and others by

1204
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: purchasing things or doing nothing at all and just assuming

1205
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: people will go along with it. There's so many moments

1206
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 1: where he has to redeem himself in the movie because

1207
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: he has sucked up so badly. Some of those times

1208
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: it makes sense and some of it doesn't. But like

1209
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: the grand gesture of the song, singing in front of

1210
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: the whole school, the buying of the guitar, and it's

1211
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: like like he's doing this to redeem himself, but he's

1212
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: not verbally apologizing, and he shouldn't have manipulated her in

1213
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: the first place, which the movie fails to acknowledge. But yeah,

1214
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: so it's just a man one of these teen romps

1215
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: where I love, I love a good romp. I don't know,

1216
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't want. I still I liked the movie, so

1217
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: god damn it. Right. It's also a very expensive gift,

1218
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: you know how much high school was Like I just

1219
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: got rid of my worst boyfriend's shitty acoustic guitar this

1220
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: year because I'm like, yeah, this guy has some value

1221
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: to it. I yeah, I'm like, I have some assholes stuff.

1222
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: Did you sell it? Or just throw it away. I

1223
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: just left it outside and I put a sticky note

1224
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,959
Speaker 1: and I said, this used to belong to an asshole.

1225
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: You can have it like a cursed guitar. That's a movie, Jamie,

1226
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: the cursed guitar. It's my good luck chuck guitar. What

1227
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: a time to be alive? What a time? Indeed? Well,

1228
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: should we discuss whether or not the movie passes the

1229
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: Bechdel test? Yeah it does. Here are some of my

1230
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: favorite passes. If I Bianca says, there's a difference between

1231
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: like and love. Like I like my sketchers, but I

1232
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: love my product backpack and what a plug? Right? Got sketchers?

1233
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: How can we get people wearing these ugly peak sketchers

1234
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: and Sacconi? Yes, Sacconi, Sacconi is a sketches, just notorious

1235
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: ugly ass shoes. Sketchers. They used to have those, you remember,

1236
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: laying those little pockets and kids are like, what's it for?

1237
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: But they were for condoms? Like, who's keeping a condom

1238
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: in their shoe? Anyways? Sophie raised her hand. Can't have

1239
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: a back, can't possibly have a back? Right? Yeah? Like, hey,

1240
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: get my wet shoe condom, let's do. Let me shake

1241
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: it off real quick. You're ready for me to put

1242
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: this in your orifices. I know that this is going

1243
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 1: on the most sensitive part of your body, but it's

1244
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: been in my shoe for three years. So Bianca says that,

1245
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: and then Chastiy says, but I love my sketchers, and

1246
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: then Bianca says, that's because you don't have a product

1247
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: back back. So great great capitalism happening. They're very very nice. Um.

1248
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: There's a scene with Miss Perky Alison Jenny's character where

1249
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: she's writing horny erotic fan fick in her office on

1250
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: work hours. She was so horny, so horny for the kids,

1251
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: she was for row thing. It was horrifying. She says Judith,

1252
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: what's another word for engorged? Judith says, I'll look it up.

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01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: Miss Perkey says swollen. Churchid Cat comes in and says

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01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: to messent, and then Miss Perky talks to her about

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01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: how she's a heinous bitch. There is mention of a

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01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: testicle retrieval operation, which I found to be very funny. Yeah,

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01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: so that's that's pretty much that conversation. But part parts

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01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: of that past. Chastie says, I know you can be

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01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and I know you can be underwhelmed, but can

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 1: you just be whelmed? And Bianca says, I think you can.

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: In Europe a lot of dumb girl exchanges past the

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01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: past that they're actually a whole, like asking questions like

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01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: what is what wires me? Exactly? Does anybody no synonyms?

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01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 1: Sex stuff? Another one of my favorites is Cat saying

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01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 1: they're at the party, Bianca wait, and Bianca says, please

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01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: do not address me in public, so it's like, don't

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: talk to me, bitch. There's a similar funny one and

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 1: she's all that where there's the one that passes the

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01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: Bactel tests. It's like, I think you should kill yourself,

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01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: and the girls like that's mean, but it passes a

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01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,919
Speaker 1: lot of passes between Cat and Bianca, between Bianca and Chastity,

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01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: between Cat and ms Perky, between Kat and her friend Mandela,

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01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: who we didn't talk about. But I feel like she's

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01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: hardly worth mentioning because she loves William Shakespeare and that's

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01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: just fine for her. Good for her. She's a scholar.

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01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: Let's write the movie on our nipple scale, shall we

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01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: do it? You give it nipples for how well you

1278
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,879
Speaker 1: think the movie treats women zero to five nipples. Um,

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01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: I doth giveth this film is one and a half

1280
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: beer flavored nipples, because that is a quote from the movie.

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01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: Sounds gross, Mike's hard flavor. What kind of like we're

1282
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: talking about? I p A because if it's a I've

1283
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: declared myself too old for coarse light congratulations. I'm gonna

1284
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: say it's like like a chocolate stout nipple for me.

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: So one and a half. We already talked about how

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01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: manipulative the characters are to each other. How the guy

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: who's doing most of the manipulation, the two guys who

1288
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: are like behind this whole scheme, are the ones who

1289
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: end up with the girls at the end. They don't

1290
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: have to apologize. You just get a guitar and everything's fine.

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01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: Take a girls sailing and she'll love you forever. I

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01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: know from experience. This is a very white movie. The

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: few characters who are people of color are mostly just

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01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: kind of scenery in this very white story. I do

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01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: like that teacher character, Mr Morgan. I stand for him,

1296
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: but he does not get much screen time. Yeah, so

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: it's just so many problems. I still enjoyed watching it,

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01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: which hurts my heart to say, but I find it funny. Yeah,

1299
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,719
Speaker 1: it's It's just I'm glad I didn't watch this movie

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01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: more as a teen, because I think it would have

1301
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:45,440
Speaker 1: gasolate me a lot and made me like really misinterpret

1302
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: a lot of things and really influence what I thought

1303
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: romance was supposed to be and what I thought relationships

1304
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 1: were supposed to be. And I'm glad that I wasn't

1305
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: consuming a lot of that type of media at that age. Instead,

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: I was watching, you know, movies where action heroes punch

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01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys and then there's only one woman

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01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,839
Speaker 1: in the story and she doesn't get to do anything.

1309
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: So all media is terrible. And if this movie, if

1310
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: this movie make fucked you when you were younger, let

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01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: us know interested in hearing what is the movie that

1312
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: sucked you up? Right? So yeah, one and a half

1313
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: nipples and I will give one to Cat and one

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01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: half nipple to her friend Mandela Cool. I will. Yeah,

1315
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a one and a half too.

1316
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: That that seems about right. Um. Yeah. The thing I

1317
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: think I like least about this movie is that it

1318
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: kind of makes a concerted effort to make it so

1319
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: that there's no feminist argument that you can make by

1320
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: they're being like, well, but this character is a feminist

1321
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: and she says this, and she says this, and she

1322
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: says this, and it's like, that's all done with the

1323
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: assumption that you're not going to challenge the fact that

1324
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: the movie be as about her being stripped of those

1325
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: things and having her change and then ultimately challenging men

1326
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: and an authority in general less in order to be happy.

1327
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: So plus, I mean, you made a bunch of great points,

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01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: and I but it's a it's a funny movie. A

1329
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: dad character, Paula Putonesca really blew it in this. Really,

1330
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: he really was just like I look at teenagers vaginas

1331
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: all day and then I get home and I can

1332
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: keep controlling them. It's all I can think about. He's

1333
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: a little tween badge. His life revolves around tween badge

1334
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: and it's disturbing. Can we please never say that phrase again?

1335
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: It's the awful phrase. Actually our merch now. Uh So

1336
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: I'll give it a nip and a half, and I'm

1337
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 1: going to give the half to Bianca because I feel

1338
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: like there's there's more more there. And then I do

1339
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: like that she at the very least comes around on

1340
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: that Joey character and she's like, oh, he's a happened idiot.

1341
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to go after this guy who is setting

1342
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: up a whole scheme, the whole Ponzi scheme to really

1343
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: win in the same everyone her best friend is cough

1344
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: and her like not trying to be her friend at all.

1345
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: He's never actually interested in real friendship. He just wants

1346
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: to be with her. But I think she's too hot.

1347
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: He's like, how do I get close to this fanast

1348
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: bitch runs He lies about he lies about being able

1349
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: to speak French just so he can tutor her. That's crazy,

1350
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: and she's so dumb she never will really don't speak

1351
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: like he's on Google Translate the entire time. Hold on,

1352
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: hold on, just like sexy dumb woman. Let me look

1353
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: this up and then I'll give my other nipple to um.

1354
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon love its old ass friend, the other one

1355
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: he needs that he's suffering. I like David Crumholtz, if

1356
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: only the old as friend hit hooked with the guidance

1357
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: counselor who was so horny, if a kid when he's like,

1358
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: he's like, my secret is I'm your age, and then

1359
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 1: good enough of me, she's like, okay, five of really

1360
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: horny fan fiction, let's do this. Is she also so

1361
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: horny because she's old and it's like, nah, that you're

1362
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: over forty five, you're useless into that? Yeah, that does

1363
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: seem like a slightly agist thing, or like a woman.

1364
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of times like when there's like

1365
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: a woman in a professional position, it's like, oh, she's

1366
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: she's so single that she's demented herself into her work

1367
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: because she can't get no ditch she I think we're

1368
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: filling in the blanks. I think she is in a

1369
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: polyum so real polyamorous relationships. I think that she just

1370
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: is very sex positive and very horny and embracing her

1371
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: sexual I hope. So we're just gonna have to say

1372
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: that that's what's happening that I'm good with that. I

1373
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: remember the first time I saw an older woman having

1374
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: sex on TV. It was Viola Davis get her Box

1375
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: eight on How to Get Away with Murder, and I

1376
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh funk, I don't want to watch my

1377
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: auntie get her box a. I was like, shoot, I'm

1378
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: gonna be Auntie one day, and I'm definitely gonna still

1379
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: be getting my box. A IM like, go by your look.

1380
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: You don't get your box, don't hear about It's fineanced

1381
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: me every week. I want you to just be fucking

1382
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: in your office and not be the first the cold

1383
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: open to every every episode, Davis sucking on the stack

1384
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: of files. She's like, I'm gonna get you off for

1385
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: this murder, but first I'm gonna sun this finance. Man.

1386
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: It's so unprofessional on that show. It's it's so good.

1387
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 1: They had her fucking everywhere. She's like, yeah, here, I

1388
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: got a deposition, but let's sucking the courthouse. She's like,

1389
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: but first I gotta judge beforeition. He's like, we need

1390
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: to go to recess. Yes, we do say what you

1391
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: will about network TV, but it is fucking wild. Oh yeah,

1392
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: Sean has done so much for network TV. She let

1393
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: me watch Anna Lingus between two gay men, and I said, yes,

1394
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 1: this better be prime time network TV, and linguis yes

1395
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: us and all of our mom's friends are all watching it,

1396
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 1: which is kind of It's amazing. It's so amazing. Well, lady,

1397
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. Oh I give it.

1398
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: I also give it one and a half nips, but

1399
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,959
Speaker 1: one of the nips is like almost could be mistaken

1400
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: to be a black person's nipple. Yeah, that's how That's

1401
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: how much like diversity was in this movie that I

1402
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: was like, it was nineties diversity, like they make fun

1403
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: of it and not another team movie where it's like

1404
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: the black guy only says that is whack. But even

1405
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: as they're making fun of it in that movie, they're

1406
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: doing it because the black guy literally always says that

1407
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: is whack the whole movie. It's like a conundrum, like

1408
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 1: a paradox. Yeah, they do the joke, but they also

1409
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 1: subscribe to the problem. The problem. Yeah, and I feel

1410
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: like that's what this movie does. It's like it talks

1411
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: about like, oh, feminism and woke ship, but then it

1412
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: also like tells you with the actions that no, you

1413
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,560
Speaker 1: come on now be a happy bach and shows howties

1414
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all what men want is happy women

1415
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: like dress cute and showed it. Boobies going to be

1416
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: a shrew until you get some good dicking and then sorry,

1417
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: beef happy. I did just find out that Joseph Gordon

1418
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: Lemott's oldest friend, David Krumholtz, plays Bernard the Elf in

1419
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: the Santa Claus series. Yes, he crush. This is confusing.

1420
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: I have to go home, all right, Well we'll let

1421
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: you go. Lacy Lazy, thank you so much for being here.

1422
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: This has been so much fun. Where can people follow

1423
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: you online? Is there anything you'd like to plug? You

1424
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: can follow me at d I v A l A

1425
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 1: c I on all platforms, the twitters, the Instagrams, all

1426
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: of the things of the like. I'll be Insecur season

1427
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: through the third episode literally for like two seconds, for

1428
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: two seconds, but I'm in the trailer. I'm the black girl, um,

1429
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: and then watch pop TV, watch pop, watch the network pop. Well,

1430
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: we'll be on there. Just really tune in and keep

1431
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: that network a flow. Just turn it on and keep

1432
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 1: it on. You don't even gotta watch. That's what I

1433
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: did for Luke Cage. I will turn that sh it

1434
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: on and get in the shower. That ship was boring,

1435
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: but I watched it because I support black on. Yeah,

1436
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: just streaming to have it on. Yeah. You can follow

1437
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: us on social media as well. At bechtel Cast. You

1438
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 1: can go to our website becktel cast dot com. We've

1439
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: got our merch there, we've got our episodes there. There's

1440
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 1: all kinds of goodies to explore. You can subscribe to

1441
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Speaker 1: our Matreon. It's five dollars a month. You get to

1442
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: bonus episodes every single month, and it's a damn good special.

1443
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: Hey Jamie and Lacy, there aren't ten things I hate

1444
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 1: about you. In fact, there's nothing I hate about you.

1445
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Sorry. And then Caitlin just took out a

1446
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: scroll and she's been Sophie with her titty. I hate

1447
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 1: Sophie and Andy, I love you too, I love everybody. Aristotle,

1448
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: love you Aristotle. Aristotle is literally wearing his feminist icon

1449
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: shirt today and it's it looks so good. Okay, thanks

1450
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: for listening. We'll see you next time. Bye bye