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Speaker 2: We've got the three time Super Bowl champ, six time

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Speaker 2: Pro bowler Nate Newton with us and our special guest

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Speaker 2: tonight is a Texas A and M legend. He is

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Speaker 2: also a former first round pick, a first team All

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Speaker 2: American and All Pro at the NFL level, and a

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Speaker 2: three time Super Bowl champion as well. It is cornerback

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Speaker 2: Kevin Smith. Kevin, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know he's Pop. I knows Pop. I

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Speaker 3: just I gotta get the government yet. I gotta.

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Speaker 2: I gotta get the government name out first, you know,

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Speaker 2: before we get into you know, some of the biographical stuff,

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Speaker 2: some of your your time in the NFL and at

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Speaker 2: Texas A and M and things like that. I saw

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Speaker 2: an interesting note about you from your time in high

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Speaker 2: school where you were a letterman in baseball, basketball, and

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Speaker 2: track as well as football.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, And it's always.

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Speaker 2: This discussion that goes on with young players these days,

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Speaker 2: trying to get kids to pick one sport, focus on

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Speaker 2: one sport, do one thing, and you'll hear others who say, no,

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Speaker 2: absolutely not, do not make somebody pick it. That variety

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Speaker 2: helps you become a better football player, Can you know,

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Speaker 2: open up some of your options? Are you glad you

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Speaker 2: played the multiple different sports? Is that something you'd recommend

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Speaker 2: for people?

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Speaker 4: Whenever any season ended, my mom my dad had me

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Speaker 5: I knew I wasn't going to be a professional.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think i'd be a professional anything because I was

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Speaker 4: a small guy and definitely not basketball. So track in

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Speaker 4: baseball was like one of my number one mostly baseball

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Speaker 4: you know, it's West oornge Stark must things. And that's

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Speaker 4: all I wanted to be was to build Mustang where

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I was into football. But

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Speaker 4: I was always a smaller guy and had to fight

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Speaker 4: for everything that was on the table. What positions I was,

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Speaker 4: you know, actually nat I was a quarterback. We ran

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Speaker 4: Bill Yoman, and I was a quarterback. And then I

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Speaker 4: bumped down to the third quarterback and not playing. I

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Speaker 4: Mark Forman said, what are y'all doing with that little guy?

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Speaker 4: He said, well, we don't want anything to do with him.

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Speaker 4: So he moved me to cornerback. That's how it stuck

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Speaker 6: Kevin, that's been a really cool year for you to

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Speaker 6: now the College Football Hall of Fame in Dushan. What

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Speaker 5: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Again as a little kid, I was in ninth grade,

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Speaker 4: it's great honor man, I mean, college Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: A lot of guys, thousands of millions of guys have

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Speaker 2: We're talking with Kevin Pups Smith tonight, the greatest defensive

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it to Pop myself.

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Speaker 7: Thomas and he tried to buy it, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Earl didn't have the Earl didn't have the credit.

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Speaker 2: Pups got it. So you you mentioned there that you

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Speaker 4: The other smaller guy again, I was still only about

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Speaker 8: I got, I got. It was just amazed how much you.

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Speaker 4: Wait when I got to NM Nate, I waited about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the thing you talk about. You were undersized,

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Speaker 4: Well, my high school strength program was probably tougher than

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Speaker 5: Wrecking crew.

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Speaker 8: That's that's that's what you are part of the wrecking right.

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Speaker 4: So Chuck Brooks is a guy who played Dallas Carter

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Speaker 5: Back then.

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Speaker 4: We just ran the ball, but our best players would move.

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Speaker 4: William Thomas, who played fourteen years as a linebacker, was

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Speaker 8: The Wrecking Crew.

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Speaker 6: Tell me you want to ask, I just called you

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Speaker 6: pup a few times already tonight. What's the story behind

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Speaker 8: Where it come from?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm the youngest of six, I have three older brothers,

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of probably wouldn't shouldn't be here, but they're

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Speaker 4: But long story short, they had a puppy. The puppy

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Speaker 5: And so that was about the time I was born.

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Speaker 4: And then when they brought me home all wrapped up,

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Speaker 5: They thought I was a dog.

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of how I got the it's a

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You've got to have a certain demeanor. You gotta have

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Speaker 2: a different mindset, and a lot of people feel like, no,

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Speaker 3: Talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Mentality you had and that competitiveness and how much you

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Speaker 4: Well, I thought I had had a lot of confidence

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Speaker 8: Is with us. Now, what's your name, sir?

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Speaker 5: Tommy?

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Speaker 8: Can you get involved in a conversation question? Second time

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Speaker 5: You're already.

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Speaker 2: Well, we got to talking about Charles Haley and hazing

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Speaker 2: But I remember Brian brought us who used to scout

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Speaker 6: But how much does that extra adage into your game

439
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Speaker 6: translate onto the It's huge.

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Speaker 5: I mean again, you spoke on it.

441
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Speaker 4: Diggs was a receiver, yeah, you know before he switched

442
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Speaker 4: to deep as a back, right, So it's it's it's huge,

443
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Speaker 4: you know, it's it's a big deal. And the versatility

444
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Speaker 4: as well that we talked about darn Woodson with the

445
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 4: versatility we we were able to use Darren in that position.

446
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 4: Ken Norton was able to play Mike Sam and will

447
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: you know, Leon Lett was really supposed to be an

448
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 4: inn at six foot eight, you know, but he played tackle.

449
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 4: That was the biggest, largest, tallest deepensive tackle we've had ever.

450
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Speaker 5: I don't think they add two tall Jones.

451
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Speaker 4: So over the years, some of the main guys that

452
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Speaker 4: were core to the Cowboys were guys that moved positions

453
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Speaker 4: quite a.

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Speaker 5: Bit, you know.

455
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Speaker 6: And to build on that in the secondary, specifically in

456
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Speaker 6: your time here, I mean you just played elite talent

457
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Speaker 6: everywhere with guys like Dion and Darren. You know, when

458
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Speaker 6: when that is there is a collective unit, how much

459
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Speaker 6: more confidence does that breed than the secondary in terms

460
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Speaker 6: of like, yeah, nobody's going to be able to throw.

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Speaker 3: We didn't.

462
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Speaker 4: We prided ourselves on not letting the team throw for

463
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Speaker 4: so I think two hundred yards and we you know,

464
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Speaker 4: we were number one defense, I know, passing defense with Dianon.

465
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Speaker 4: I mean probably two or three times of the four

466
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Speaker 4: years we were that we all played together collectively. A

467
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Speaker 4: lot of people forget Brock Marrion. Brock Marion was very underrated.

468
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Speaker 4: Brock Marion probably was more athletic as far as in

469
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Speaker 4: a in a small box, and the game is played

470
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Speaker 4: really in a small box, right, five ten five? No

471
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Speaker 4: one ran a five to ten five faster than Brock Marrion.

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Speaker 4: I mean he had blazing under four seconds, three point

473
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Speaker 4: eight whatever it was in that and that's moving man

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Speaker 4: in that box.

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Speaker 5: So Brock and we brought George t in.

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Speaker 4: So we had some great secondaries, Bill Bates, and people

477
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Speaker 4: forget I don't forget about Bill, but they see him

478
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Speaker 4: as a special team guy. But Bill was very valuable

479
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Speaker 4: to our nickel defense because he played the mike linebacker.

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Speaker 4: So we had we had some great guys, and like

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Speaker 4: you said, the versatile Bill could play mike linebacker.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 7: Now let me ask you, so I know this guy

484
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Speaker 7: was gonna acces cut. I'm talking about bbby bel not

485
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Speaker 7: you telling me you did a great job. But fighting

486
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Speaker 7: Jered Rice, Man, tell us, tell us about fighting Jered Rice.

487
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Speaker 8: What did you get up on that fight?

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Speaker 5: It started the year before And here we go with

489
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Speaker 5: Charles Haley.

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Speaker 4: So we're playing San Francisco and then it's late in

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Speaker 4: the game and we're up. I think they score a

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Speaker 4: late touchdown to make the game kind of go to

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Speaker 4: play before a couple of players for Alvin Harper went

494
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Speaker 4: on a long one and so we were TV time

495
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Speaker 4: out and I'm just talking crazy, Hey eighty number eighty,

496
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Speaker 4: I'm just calling him eighty. I don't even know your name.

497
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Speaker 4: So Hayley is like, Hey, that's that's Jerry Rice. You

498
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Speaker 4: don't talk to Jerry Rice like that. So I told hey,

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Speaker 4: if you go put that uniform on, if you want

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Speaker 4: to be over there.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot going on. Man, we going at it now.

502
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Speaker 4: We're five minutes from the super Bowl my first year

503
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm not taking your crap, Haley, and

504
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Speaker 4: you want to go over there, and you go over there.

505
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Speaker 4: So that's kind of what started. And then the next

506
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Speaker 4: year he claimed I spit on it. Now I'm not

507
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Speaker 4: gonna claim that or not claim it. But when we

508
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 4: got ready, Jimmy Johnson put the Big Bowl letter we

509
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Speaker 4: will win the ball game and put it in how

510
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Speaker 4: many into your need? And that's what started the tunnel battle.

511
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Speaker 4: And then so the game that we had the battle

512
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Speaker 4: and Jadab got into it and I don't think he

513
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Speaker 4: was out there, and now it was before the line came,

514
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Speaker 4: but the first play of the game, he was he

515
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Speaker 4: ran around. They didn't throwing the ball, and I can't

516
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Speaker 4: you know, he's a kid.

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Speaker 5: You kind of.

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Speaker 4: Clipped somebody foot. Yeah, I did that to him. So

519
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Speaker 4: he punched me right on the sideline.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: He got a fifteen year old, I remember. So it

522
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 4: put them in a hole that first drive. And then

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Speaker 4: after that it was just, you know, we just kind

524
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Speaker 4: of railroad.

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Speaker 7: All we heard was Pop out there fighting before the game.

526
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Speaker 7: So you know that's when we just our team and

527
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Speaker 7: we go run it out there. Man, they wolfing and going.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it was beautiful, a beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I've gotta I've got to ask if something I heard

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Speaker 2: was true. I won't name the teammate. His name might

531
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Speaker 2: his name Mike rhyme with Kenny Gant, but Kenny Gant

532
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Speaker 2: had said last week he says, yeah, he's like one

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Speaker 2: of the ways he used to get to Jerry. He's

534
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Speaker 2: like Jerry hated it. He's like when he'd come off

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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmagery do it. He's like Puff would

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Speaker 2: like snap his waistband or like Jerry would get so

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Speaker 2: annoyed with.

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Speaker 4: His So I read an article about Jerry Rice's wife.

539
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's still married or not. And

540
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: she said that he wouldn't let she. He wouldn't let

541
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Speaker 4: her vacuum the house and the and had to be

542
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Speaker 4: vacuuming a certain way like Wrigley feel would be cut

543
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 4: and if it wasn't right, he'd just do it over

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Speaker 4: and over again.

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Speaker 5: And that's how he was with his uniform. Yes, he

546
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 5: was so his tiel on everything.

547
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: So if you tuck and messed with anything that altered

548
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: his uniform, and it pissed him off. And once I

549
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 4: saw that that, he would you know about that? How

550
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: ain't know he was with that carpet deal, uh, you know,

551
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 4: vacuuming the carpet. I knew that if I messed with

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Speaker 4: his uniform, then I would get it. I kind of

553
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: get under his nerves.

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Speaker 5: That's a lead. That's that's different.

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Speaker 8: Who else was like that with his uniform was Prime?

556
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Speaker 5: Prime was like that.

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Speaker 7: Lay that thing out in the you have around like

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Speaker 7: a body, all the way to them to the flat

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Speaker 7: on the ground.

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Speaker 8: You had to walk around like the first day of

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Speaker 8: school and outfit out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was And that's the thing is that you

563
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Speaker 2: know you hear about again references back. Brian brought us

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Speaker 2: who's at our station, won if Act to Ben. He said,

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Speaker 2: he remembers in ninety five Green Bay, they they beat

566
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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. They're going to the NFC title game,

567
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: and he said, everybody's excited. And he said, Reggie White

568
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Speaker 2: just looked depressed. And he went over and he's like, Red,

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Speaker 2: what's wrong? Yeah, and he goes, I don't want to

570
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Speaker 2: face Eric Williams next week.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, And he.

572
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Speaker 2: Said it was the one guy that just like and

573
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Speaker 2: he said and Brian said, as soon as her Reggie

574
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Speaker 2: said is like, we're gonna lose next week. He's like

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Speaker 2: if Reggie's already, like we just won, and Reggie's already

576
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Speaker 2: And I said thing about a week in advance. I

577
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Speaker 2: don't want to play Eric Williams. Eric Glim's gonna poke

578
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Speaker 2: me in the eye or do something whatever. That that

579
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Speaker 2: guy in their head and that gave them an advantage. Similarly,

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Speaker 2: it felt like that irritation that you caused to Jerry

581
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Rice would kind of knock him out. How much of

582
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Speaker 2: the head game was important to you in terms of

583
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Speaker 2: getting him off of his rhythm.

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Speaker 5: Well it was a lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, our whole goal and Mike Irving would speak

586
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Speaker 4: on it was to take the other team's will, right,

587
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: and that's all we preached. A take the guy across

588
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: from you will, make him stop believing in himself, then

589
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: you you've won half the battle, you know. So that's

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Speaker 4: and that's that was our whole approach of the culture

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00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 4: of the team. That's how we thought about it. So

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Speaker 4: Jared Rice is Jared right, Jared Rice is the greatest

593
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Speaker 4: of all time as a receiver. No one guy can

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Speaker 4: cover Jared Rice. Uh eight out of ten, five out

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Speaker 4: of ten, three out of ten. He's gonna win seven

596
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Speaker 4: of those battles or eight of those battles. We I

597
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Speaker 4: was just looking for an edge as a young kid

598
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Speaker 4: and a young guy. I was athletic at the time.

599
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 4: I wasn't banged up, had a lot of energy in me.

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Speaker 4: So it just worked out with everything we had. We

601
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Speaker 4: had a good pass rush, we had good linebackers. As

602
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: Nate said, we didn't have to think a lot. They

603
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: call us the dumb bunps d d's, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean it was a simple defense.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: We ran uh, you know, we ran space defense with

607
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Speaker 4: quarters across the board. We had zone rules, with man.

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Speaker 4: We played man on the corner of the zone rules

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Speaker 4: and it was that simple.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's take our next break, and unfortunately we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to reflect back on a loss from a couple

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Speaker 2: of days ago. Here with this Dallas Cowboys football team

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Speaker 2: got Kevin pop Smith with us, and uh, let's take

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Speaker 2: a look back at at what went right, what maybe

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Speaker 2: went wrong in this game against the Texans on Monday night.

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Speaker 2: Get some of the thoughts from Nate, Tommy and Pop

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Speaker 2: here and figure out how they might be able to

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Speaker 2: correct some of this with a short week heading into Washington.

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Speaker 2: That's next on the Cowboys cross Talk here on one

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Speaker 2: of fact, the fan at Dllascowboys dot.

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Speaker 9: Com, Oh Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: by Tommy Yards from Dallascowboys dot Com. We've got the

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Speaker 2: three time Super Bowl champion, six time Pro bowler, Nate

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Speaker 2: Newton here with us, and tonight our special guest, our

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Speaker 2: Cowboys Legend this evening is Kevin pop Smith, also the

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Speaker 2: three time Super Bowl champion. All right, so we've delayed

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Speaker 2: as long as we could, Nate, I know you're not

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00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: necessarily thrilled to jump into a loss and analyzing what

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: happened between the Cowboys and the Texans, a thirty four

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00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: to ten defeat on Monday night football game that you

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00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: felt like coming out of halftime at least like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: there's competitiveness here, and you feel like there's an avenue

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Speaker 2: where they might be able to close this game off,

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Speaker 2: finish some things. I'm curious from you, Pop, was there

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Speaker 2: any big takeaway you had coming out of this game,

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Speaker 2: anything you thought of that they can build on, or

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Speaker 2: anything we said, Man, this is the moment where it

649
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: kind of turned and things went sour for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think Cooper played better, you know, But and

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Speaker 4: I didn't go I didn't watch it from the I

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Speaker 4: watched it from the restaurant I have, But it looks

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Speaker 4: like the Houston Texas wanted the game more.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: I just saw more energy from a visiting team than

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Speaker 4: a team that's planning a home and uh and that's

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Speaker 4: the thing that bothered me the most. I just saw

658
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: more energy and more fight out of the Texas than

659
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: I saw it of our own team, the X's and o's.

660
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: You know, they can they can look at the film

661
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 4: and figure that out. But it was just more effort,

662
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: and sometimes effort will override the whole.

663
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 5: Game, you know.

664
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 4: And that's what I saw in the Texas that I

665
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: didn't see. And it may be that we used to

666
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: call it the old S moment, well, you know, and

667
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 4: I think the Cowboys got to that point that like

668
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: they were like, hey, here we go again, and then

669
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: Houston just smashed the gas. You know, Houston has something

670
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: to play for, so to speak, and right now it

671
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: looks like we're playing, not playing for something.

672
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 6: We talked a lot of tonight about your confidence at

673
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 6: corner and curious. You know, with corners, confidence is obviously

674
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 6: very important. You got to have a short memory because

675
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 6: you know, if you get beat, you gotta forget it

676
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 6: and just go to the next play. At times this year,

677
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 6: the Cowboys corner, some of the younger guys have, they've

678
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 6: been picked on, and they just keep throwing their way.

679
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 6: When you know, when that keeps happening and maybe your

680
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 6: confidence starts to dip a little bit, right, Obviously, making

681
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 6: a play gets his back up, But how do you

682
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 6: battle that? How do you come back from that and

683
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 6: get back to to making play well?

684
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 4: I mean speaking on the Cowboy corners, I mean again,

685
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: one of the best lines I heard on Monday Night

686
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: Football was, you showed me four guys that can't rush

687
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: the pass.

688
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: I show you four guys that can't cover.

689
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: So if you got to drop all this, you gotta

690
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 4: drop all these schemes and blitz every time to get

691
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 4: pressure on the quarterback, then that's not a good thing.

692
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: Of course, Micah has been out most of the year,

693
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 4: you know, but the corners they can only cover for

694
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 4: so long. I do think that, you know, we're having

695
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: problems getting to the quarterback with the four man pressure.

696
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: We get no pressure on from the inside, no sacks

697
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 4: from the inside. So that's that part of it. The

698
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 4: other part of it, yes, they have been attacked this year.

699
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 4: The Diggs is giving up some plays as well, he's

700
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: banged up. But you know, for the most part, I

701
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: think they've done an average job, not you know all

702
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: below average job, which is not good for an NFL

703
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 4: and that's why we're three and seven.

704
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: Nate, I think the turning point in this game for

705
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: me was the the fumble that was recovered by Tyler

706
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: Geyiton and a little bit of criticism of just go down,

707
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: big fella, like don't, don't try to Desmond Howard like Heisman,

708
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: pose this one and and make a big play. Obviously,

709
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: he then has the fumble, they scoop it up, they score,

710
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: and it felt like things kind of turned from that

711
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: moment on early in the fourth quarter. How do how

712
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: do they battle keeping Giton's you know, confidence up.

713
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: We talked about confidence in the corner.

714
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: It feels like the confidence for Guyiton is at a

715
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: season low at this point.

716
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 8: The thing is, this is this is not the right answer,

717
00:37:58,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 8: but it's how I feel.

718
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 7: Instead of having fifty five passes this past game, fifty five.

719
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 8: Runs, you gotta you gotta find a way to these

720
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 8: this scheme up.

721
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 7: Like we used to play the Giants and we used

722
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 7: say the thing that we liked about the Giants, I

723
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 7: hated about the Giants.

724
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 8: They had every run and known to man.

725
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 7: I mean you, I mean they just can come up

726
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 7: with different styles and schemes of runs. Same with them,

727
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 7: Martyn Day forty nine Ers coach McCarthy in this offensive line,

728
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 7: coach coach Mike Clarry, they gonna have to come up

729
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 7: with a thousand different run schemes because this is not

730
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 7: gonna work. Your confidence is shot offense, Ryn Wise, Your

731
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 7: players are hurt and beat up.

732
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 8: You finish.

733
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 7: Even if you want to put Trey Lance in there,

734
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 7: he ain't got enough elusiveness.

735
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 8: To to to not not what's finna come bro? Not

736
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 8: with what dan Quinn fin the bringing this name.

737
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 7: You cannot be third and larger than five at any

738
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 7: time because third is six and anything else gonna.

739
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 8: Get you killed.

740
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 7: So you got to find a way to run the ball, screens, draws,

741
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 7: jet sweeps, yet sweep.

742
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: It don't matter, bro, how many you know.

743
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: Jerry talked after the game with reporters and he was

744
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: asked about where if there's any sort of quit quote

745
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: unquote setting in with things going sideways with the season.

746
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: Now they sit in three and seven, and Jerry said,

747
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, I have a greater concern with offensive line communication,

748
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: two receivers being in the same spot when you know,

749
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: on a route, communication on the defense not being great

750
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: at times like he's he said that he had more

751
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: concerned about communication, and Nate, that's exactly what I want

752
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: to come to you for. Do you see communications as

753
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: a larger issue for them right now?

754
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 7: Jimmy's tell us he's accents since they got a question

755
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 7: for you guy, I got a little quick quiz. What's

756
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 7: the difference between the fat player, the player that can't play,

757
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 7: in the player that's injured. What is the major difference

758
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 7: between these guys? We all sit around beating our heads,

759
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 7: no difference.

760
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 8: None of them are gonna get on the field and

761
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 8: none of them can play, so you not worried about

762
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 8: their effort.

763
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 7: But if you're running around like a black smody to

764
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 7: kick the app bed and everybody going to a thousand

765
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 7: different directions, isn't that the same thing?

766
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 8: You still get disaster on your plate. Nobody knows what's

767
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 8: going on.

768
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 7: I remember one game uh PUPDA was playing and like

769
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 7: you said, they had the fort the forward cross and

770
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 7: for some reason it didn't work that game, just a

771
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 7: bad game. One of the few baggers and they tried

772
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 7: to say, man, we couldn't get we get the Jimy

773
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 7: cussed everybody out. This is too simple to me, This

774
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 7: is too simple. If your players are acting dumb, make

775
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 7: it simple and put it in there.

776
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 4: We would try to get aggressive and come with these

777
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 4: different schemes on different teams, and we'd be halfway through

778
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 4: the game and Campo and Mike Zimba be like, crap

779
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: that we're going back to.

780
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: Base defense, quarters across the board. Just keep it simple.

781
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 5: You play faster when you know what to do.

782
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: And I think right now there's a bunch of second

783
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: guessing those punt, those two fake punts. You don't that's

784
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: just you grabbing for straws right now with those plays

785
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 4: the last two games. If you're running your basic stuff

786
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: and the clock is running, and you got to get

787
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: positive yards on first, like and they said positive yards

788
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: on second, just third and five, you don't get it.

789
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: Punt the ball. I've heard the clock. They say, Hey,

790
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 4: every drive should end with the K word a kick,

791
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: a punt, a field goal or something. But it shouldn't

792
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: be turning the ball over guiding thumbling the ball, are

793
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: not throwing a punting the ball and trying to throw

794
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 4: the ball down.

795
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: The noose field.

796
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 4: Those players will kill you. We made mistakes and games,

797
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 4: but winning solves everything. If you make more positive plays

798
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 4: than the negative players, then you don't even worry about

799
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: the negative players on seat.

800
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: They you know, the the number. Looking back at the

801
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: Cowboys defense this past.

802
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: Week, they played a much higher rate of quarters coverage

803
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: this week than they've played all year, and it seemed

804
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: like for a lot of the game it did a

805
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: decent job at frustrating someone c J. Stroud wanted to do. Uh,

806
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: he kept a lot underneath some different things. If communication

807
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: is the issue, like you know Jerry had talked about,

808
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: and we know Mike Zimmer likes to do a lot

809
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: of pre snap disguise and show you different looks, and

810
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: communication is such a big deal.

811
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: If that's a struggle, do you think quarters coverage?

812
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: An increase in quarters coverage the rest of the way

813
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: would be a simpler way to just let those guys

814
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: play faster.

815
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 5: It would be a simple way. But I'm gonna go

816
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 5: back to interview.

817
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 4: You guys had a guy that played with Texas long Horns,

818
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: the linebacker last year, All interviewed.

819
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: Him one Marvin Overstrown, No, not.

820
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 4: The guy was Jefferson, Nike Jefferson, and he was speaking

821
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: at the Super Bowl about dan Quinn's defense and how

822
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: he tipped that and touched it and said, Micah kind

823
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 4: of does his own thing. I don't know if you

824
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 4: guys remember that. Yeah, and then he kind of backed

825
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: off of it, right, So Jimmy didn't.

826
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: We didn't.

827
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 4: Guys that did their own thing with us didn't have

828
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: the luxury of being on the field because if they

829
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: did their own thing, then we had somebody to replace them.

830
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: They don't. The leverage is not there anymore. The players.

831
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 4: The tail is wagging the dog a lot in the

832
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: NFL right now. So the money that you pay them,

833
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 4: you know, we was one you were one or two

834
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: players away from getting cut. The interesting story. I gotta

835
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: tell this story, Nate, and they remember this. We're in

836
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: training camp. Jimmy Johnson's story. I had nerve to sneak

837
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: out the dorm my rookie year. I bring two other

838
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: guys with me, Right we get back in the dorm.

839
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 4: It's a letter from Bruce made see Jimmy Johnson I'm thinking,

840
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: Darren Woodson, they're joking with me. We come back to

841
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 4: the dorm. I go back to sleep. Bruce knocks on

842
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: the door. I go into Jimmy's office. The other two

843
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: guys are sitting there. A guy named Michael James, and

844
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: it was a guy named Donald Harris who played. He

845
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: played with the the Rangers that drafted him, and then

846
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 4: the Cowboys brought him on. Another guy that wasn't even

847
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: with us that snuck out. His name was Greg Briggs.

848
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 5: Jimmy.

849
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 4: He was a fifth round draft pick. Jimmy told him,

850
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: you better play the best game in your life. No,

851
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 4: he told him, you better count your blessings. He told

852
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 4: Donald Harris, you pick your crap up and you get

853
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: out of here right now.

854
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 8: Go on.

855
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: A guy named Michael James was having the best camp

856
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 4: free agent corner from Arkansas, best camp of all the corner.

857
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 5: Because I was injured.

858
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 4: He plays in the preseason game and gets three interceptions

859
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: in the preseason game. Jimmy cutting that Monday. He never

860
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 4: played again. So Jimmy had the flexibility. You was expendable.

861
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: If you were expendable, He told me, I can't do

862
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: nothing with you right now. But I'll get in your pocket.

863
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 4: But they don't have that leverage no more with these guys.

864
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: You know, I heard these guys at five o'clock turn

865
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: the light on and walk out the meeting room. It

866
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 4: was times we were there at eight or nine o'clock

867
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: at night, Nate, but it's now CBA, so it's totally different.

868
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: Right now, let's take our final break here, and when

869
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: we get back, we're going to take a little bit

870
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: of a look ahead to the Washington Commanders short week

871
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: traveling to d C for this game, and then you've

872
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: got a quick turn around again another short week with

873
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: the Giants on Thanksgiving. We're joined tonight by Kevin Smith

874
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: here on Cowboys Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Rady Network.

875
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: We will be back here in just a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. I'm Bobby Belt

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Speaker 2: from one O five through the ban, joined by Tommy

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Speaker 2: Yuris from Dallascowboys dot Com, the three time Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 2: six time Pro Bowler Nate and our special guest tonight

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Speaker 2: is the former first Team All American, NFL All Pro

890
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Speaker 2: and also three time Super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 3: Kevin pop Smith.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, thank you again for joining us and wrapping pigs

893
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Speaker 2: up here for this final segment. Nate, I want I

894
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: want to start off with you, just as we've got

895
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 2: Washington this game against the Commanders coming in. It's felt

896
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Speaker 2: like a lot of the discussion in the locker room

897
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: has remained largely positive given the circumstances, because so many

898
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: different guys are staying to themselves. We have so many

899
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: division games left. This will just be the third division game.

900
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Speaker 2: They've got three more after that. Is that the the

901
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: mentality they should continue to have this week is just like, hey,

902
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: as long as these division games are still in front

903
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: of us, we can't afford to get too far down.

904
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Speaker 8: They just got to statementally strong.

905
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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 8: A lot of your leaders have beat up and missing.

907
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Speaker 7: So you know, you got the youthful guys that are

908
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Speaker 7: trying to run around, and the coaches got to stay positive.

909
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Speaker 8: I mean, everybody on this on the on the stands

910
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Speaker 8: the situation.

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Speaker 7: What is up for you as an individual, Just do

912
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 7: that a little bit of extra film study to make

913
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Speaker 7: sure you get in that world pool, get that ice,

914
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 7: do what you have to do as a player, because

915
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 7: you don't. This thing is about tape and what you're

916
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 7: putting on the and what you're putting on the film.

917
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Speaker 7: So these guys, they're going to be positive. You just

918
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Speaker 7: gotta play smarter football. These guys don't play consistently smart.

919
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Speaker 2: We've got a we've got the return of one number

920
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Speaker 2: twenty six, and I want to ask you about that

921
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Speaker 2: this week, Kevin, with that sounds.

922
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Speaker 3: Like Deron Bland will be back ready to perform. Before

923
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Speaker 3: we get to that.

924
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Speaker 2: Tommy, obviously, you're Dallas Cowboys dot Com and you're you're

925
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 2: out there. You're in the locker room every day, involved

926
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Speaker 2: with practicing all the different updates. Where do you think

927
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Speaker 2: things standard or what's the word at this point about

928
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Speaker 2: some of the injury situations. Obviously, three offensive lineman leaving

929
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Speaker 2: the game against Houston. Deron Blando returning to practice, that's

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Speaker 2: a big deal. It sounds like, you know, Brandon Cooks

931
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Speaker 2: with a projection for the practice availability that being a

932
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Speaker 2: walk through, it sounds like Cooks would have been involved

933
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Speaker 2: in practice day. So where do you things stand with

934
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Speaker 2: some of the bigger injury issues heading into this one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there seems to be a lot of hope that

936
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Speaker 6: they can get three key guys back, and that's Deron Bland,

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Speaker 6: Brandon Cooks and Marshawn Neland I think a lot of

938
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Speaker 6: the things that when you look at this defense, they've

939
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Speaker 6: been so down at the edge rusher position, So getting

940
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Speaker 6: a guy like Marshawn Neeland potentially back is going to

941
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Speaker 6: be huge.

942
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Speaker 8: And then obviously you're all pro corner.

943
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Speaker 6: You've been missing that all year, right, a ball hawk

944
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 6: kind of guy, kind of like Kevin who got down here,

945
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 6: who is so good, has a knack for taking the

946
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Speaker 6: ball away and had a knack last year for taking

947
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Speaker 6: it all the way back for touchdowns too, So that's great.

948
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Speaker 6: And then you've got arguably your best route runner too

949
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Speaker 6: in Brandon Cooks. As far as guys who were out,

950
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Speaker 6: Zach Martin, Tyler Smith, Remember this was just a walk

951
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Speaker 6: through today, so not necessarily a practice projection. But we

952
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Speaker 6: saw both of them go down kind of consecutively late

953
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Speaker 6: in that Texans game. Zach Martin with his other ankle,

954
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Speaker 6: So those injuries starting to pile up a little bit. Obviously,

955
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 6: that's never a good sign. And hope that he's able

956
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 6: to get back. And then Tyler Smith, you know, your

957
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 6: best one of your best guards too, so I would

958
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Speaker 6: say your best offensive lineman right now. So you know,

959
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 6: those are those are the two ones to watch for,

960
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Speaker 6: especially up front, you.

961
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Speaker 2: Know, with them feeling like it's looking positive towards trending

962
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: towards getting Dron Bland back finally after missing the entire

963
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Speaker 2: season to this point, Like we mentioned you.

964
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Speaker 3: Were, you were twenty six here in Dallas.

965
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Speaker 2: He's twenty six now, and he has been such a

966
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Speaker 2: big time playmaker for them. Just talk a little bit

967
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: about what you've seen from Deron Bland in his time

968
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Speaker 2: here in the NFL, how impressive you think he is,

969
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: and just how big of a boost it can be

970
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: to get a guy like that injected back into your

971
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: defense this late in the year.

972
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Speaker 4: And he can play the slot, he can play both sides,

973
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 4: of the field. You know, when I played, didn't really

974
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 4: want to play left corner. He was he left hand.

975
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 5: He stayed on the right side. He would flip.

976
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 4: But to have a guy like Bland that can play

977
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 4: both sides of the field, they can they can move

978
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 4: corners over h and and he not only intercepts the ball,

979
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 4: he does something with it, you know, which is huge.

980
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 4: I mean, if you can you could turn turn the

981
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 4: field position around, and not only that score points. That

982
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 4: makes a big difference. I mean that that can change

983
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: the game, that can win games. And so having him

984
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 4: come back, they got to have something to play for

985
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: every week. I can only remember one season that I played, Nate.

986
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, you guys struggled a little bit

987
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: before we got here. Yes for me and Darren brought home,

988
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 4: but I don't remember one season. Well, we didn't have

989
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 4: a chance. We knew the last two games we weren't

990
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: gonna make the playoffs. So the positive message has to

991
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: be in the locker room. Yeah, they hadn't played a

992
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 4: lot of division games. That has to be the message,

993
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: you know, And that's what they're that's what they're putting

994
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 4: out there. But to get some of the key players

995
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 4: back is gonna be great.

996
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 6: One of the things that I found incialting keeping on

997
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 6: the topic of turnovers is, you know, when you look

998
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 6: at this team under Dan Quinn, turnovers was the staple

999
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 6: of that defense. And now you know, some guy, I

1000
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 6: think treyvon Dix told us a couple of weeks ago

1001
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 6: that Mike Zimmer's scheme.

1002
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 8: Part of that is you don't see as many turnovers.

1003
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Speaker 8: So what is the formula for turnovers?

1004
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 5: Kind Of regardless of scheme, you have to mix it

1005
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 5: up with zone and you have to be creative.

1006
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 4: I tell people all the time, we bumped our corners,

1007
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: Me and Dinah, we were bumped all the time. When

1008
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: you play man the man you don't see the ball,

1009
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: then you're not gonna make a lot of interceptions, you know.

1010
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 4: So if Quinn had more of a zone scheme, believe

1011
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: it or not, where Diggs and you know he was

1012
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 4: off man and even playing a lot of those plays

1013
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 4: were they're playing off man where Zimmer wants to play

1014
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 4: its press.

1015
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 5: And be a little closer.

1016
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Speaker 8: It worked.

1017
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 4: It works both ways, but the turnout was gonna happen

1018
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: more When the guys are in zone.

1019
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: You know, this is going to be a big week

1020
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: in all likelihood for running the football from both respectives.

1021
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you've talked about it, Nate, that

1022
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: you would rather see fifty five running players than clinn

1023
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: fifty five dropbacks.

1024
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 3: And this is a Washington defense that has really struggled

1025
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 3: to slow down to round this game.

1026
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 8: One hundred and fifty yards a game.

1027
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Speaker 7: Against Pittsburgh, I think they told did it forty three

1028
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 7: times for one hundred and forty yards, and Philadelphia did

1029
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 7: it forty times for one hundred and for two hundred

1030
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 7: and twenty eight yards with five four five average. If

1031
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 7: we he can get the town possession like Pittsburgh and

1032
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 7: Philly did. Both of them was over thirty two minutes,

1033
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 7: Philly was thirty six minutes. That would give out our defense,

1034
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 7: who have played first half football and been let down

1035
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 7: in the second half because they get stretched out. If

1036
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 7: we can keep them off the field, keep them fresh,

1037
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Speaker 7: especially with Bland probably being on a snap count, keep

1038
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 7: him fresh. But he may him make a play late

1039
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 7: in the game to help you win. But you're gonna

1040
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 7: have to try to run that football.

1041
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 8: Now.

1042
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 7: They got nice players over there, they got nice defensive players.

1043
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 7: They got the run Payne, they got the second round

1044
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 7: pick of Newton.

1045
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 8: So they see that, see that Newton. Yeah, I don't

1046
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 8: know his first name, but I know they got you

1047
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying.

1048
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Speaker 7: They got players over there, and they got a dude

1049
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 7: that is six y three five Jeremy chen Safety ring

1050
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 7: it last.

1051
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the last little about forty seconds or

1052
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: so really quickly. Pop, you had missed the entire ninety

1053
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: five season basically after tearing your killages when you came back.

1054
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: How realistic is it with the edges likely being such

1055
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: a big part of this game in the wrong game,

1056
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 2: how realistic is it for or how long do you

1057
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: think it may take Deron Blaine to get back into

1058
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 2: the physicality of the game.

1059
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: Knowing he might have to maintain the edge in the

1060
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: rung game.

1061
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: If he worked out with Britt Brown, he's ready to go,

1062
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 4: you know, so he should be Rit. I mean, if

1063
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: Brit said he's ready to go, then he's ready to

1064
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: go out.

1065
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us tonight, Kevin Smith.

1066
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Speaker 2: We very much appreciated some great stories. I know, we

1067
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Speaker 2: got a lot of text and people talk about how

1068
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Speaker 2: much they enjoyed the stories. Tommy ar Stawska was not

1069
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Speaker 2: kind of Dan.

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Speaker 8: Today.

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Speaker 3: Newton, thank you for joining us.

1072
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Speaker 2: That has been it for the SLBBC Cowboys Crosstalk.

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Speaker 3: We will talk to you guys again next Wednesday.

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