WEBVTT - Eels Alive!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you should

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<v Speaker 1>know about Eel.

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<v Speaker 2>I know another podcast that has ruined something I like

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<v Speaker 2>to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>But now I can what did it ruin? Or why? How? What? What? Part?

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<v Speaker 1>How about this? When we get to the part where

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, this ruined eel for me, shout scream at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of your lungs. Okay, okay. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>give a hat tip to David Byrne via you Me

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<v Speaker 1>who inspired this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>David Byrne.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, d David Byrne you me. He was watching David

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<v Speaker 1>Byrne videos. He's on tour and I think she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to see him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's great show.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen it?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I've seen the last couple of tours.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's great, awesome. So he apparently he was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a book he was reading about Eels and how

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating it was. So that kicked off the idea for

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<v Speaker 1>an episode on Eels.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I went to read a new book.

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<v Speaker 2>I just finished my book, Cameron Crowe's Memoir, which is fantastic,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. And by the way, I commented on his

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram about what a great book it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was, and he started following me.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I got to think that it was either

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<v Speaker 2>an accident or maybe he listens to stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see why he would randomly just be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll follow anyone who says they like my book, right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Cameron Crow, if you're listening, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>exciting for us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what uh great book.

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<v Speaker 2>Though his memoir is just it's almost too incredible to

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<v Speaker 2>believe that that happened to him in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it called recounting Crow? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, No, it's called the Uncool But man, he

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<v Speaker 2>really missed an opportunity there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think more he dodged a bullet.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably so. But I went to read a new book,

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<v Speaker 3>Talking Heads. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>I had two books in my hand, the Talking Heads

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<v Speaker 2>book and Abel Ferrara's memoir The Filmmaker, and I went

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<v Speaker 2>with the Abel ferrar just because Bonnie Prince Billy recommended

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<v Speaker 2>it and it's shorter.

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<v Speaker 3>But Talking Heads is up next. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just watched Bad Lieutenant all the way through for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. Oh, This is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Good movie, buddy, what a film.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got King of New York next.

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<v Speaker 3>So are you on a kick now for him a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Where'd that come from? Bonnie Prince Billy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I don't remember. I think I just ran

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<v Speaker 1>across Bad Lieutenant. And I've known about it since I

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<v Speaker 1>was a teenager and it's never really watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh have you ever seen King of New York?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, dude, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he's one of my favorite filmmakers.

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<v Speaker 1>Great. Yeah, Apparently there's lots of rumors that Harvey Kitel

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<v Speaker 1>actually was on all the drugs he was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be on on Bad Lieutenant.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll let you know when I get to that chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw someone say, like, no, he actually wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>he's just that good of an actor. But that Abel

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<v Speaker 1>Ferrara and the rest of the crew probably were on

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<v Speaker 1>all those same drugs while they were shooting it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know he was pretty into drugs. So I've only

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of chapters in so far, but it's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, when you get to the chapter called drugs, Colon,

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<v Speaker 1>I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me know, all right, all that to say is

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<v Speaker 2>that we're talking about eels, and we'll get right into it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're an eel, if you want to claim to

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<v Speaker 2>be an eel, you got to have certain qualifications. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't just be like a sea snake or an electric eel,

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<v Speaker 2>which isn't an eel by the way. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a member of the order Anguilliforms or Anguilliformis. Twenty

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<v Speaker 2>families of eels, one hundred and eleven gen era, more than

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred species, ranging from just about four inches to

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<v Speaker 2>those big old morey eels sometimes up to twelve feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, twelve foot long eel. That's just amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The one thing that they all have in common is

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<v Speaker 1>that they have long bodies that are typically worm like.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have pelvic fins, right, so, yeah, the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that you would have developed head you descended from water hippos.

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<v Speaker 1>That's whales. A lot of them don't have pectoral fins.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them do have the dorsal fin on the back.

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially they're just like worms or snakes, like slithering

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<v Speaker 1>through the water, and that actually is exactly what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>They're slithering in a wave like motion. That's how they

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<v Speaker 1>make their way because again, they don't really have fins.

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<v Speaker 1>This to me is one of the facts of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Take it though.

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<v Speaker 1>So eels can swim backward just by changing the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of the wave. Yes, they make a beeping sound when

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<v Speaker 1>they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that's amazing. I mean they got to let

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<v Speaker 2>everyone know. It's like I can't I can't see where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going. Everyone eel coming through.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also, I just want to take a second for

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<v Speaker 1>a ps A. If you drive a truck that makes

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<v Speaker 1>a beeping sound when it backs up, never ever just

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<v Speaker 1>sit there idling with your reverse gear and reverse. People

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<v Speaker 1>are allowed to do that. Yes, you mean I used

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<v Speaker 1>to live next to it was like a nursing home,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, and they like we lived on the side

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<v Speaker 1>of their like delivery area, and dudes would just do that,

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<v Speaker 1>just sit there with with their truck and reverse not moving. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>at like six in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>No, all right, I agree. Eels had that smooth, slippery

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<v Speaker 2>skin and it is coated in a slime. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>protective slime. It helps them with they're swimming. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>them very streamlined, and it also helps regulate how much

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<v Speaker 2>water is in their bodies, which is pretty unusual. And

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<v Speaker 2>they're predatory, like they're eating other fish basically while they're

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<v Speaker 2>down there. Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>What something else that's very neat about eels is that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't like they're not boring little baby eels and

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<v Speaker 1>then they grow up into big twelve foot long, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty pound eels. They actually go through stages

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<v Speaker 1>of metamorphosis like the butterfly does. Yeah, Like they don't

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<v Speaker 1>look anything like an eel when they're born, and as

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<v Speaker 1>they grow they actually change shape and color in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to size. They also very frequently will move from like

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean to freshwater creeks far inland. Like, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great stuff that eels do that we just

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<v Speaker 1>had overlooked for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's some fun, really fun stuff coming.

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<v Speaker 2>They're basically solitary. I think there's a couple that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about later that hang out in the hundreds or thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>but generally, yeah, like, if you're an eel of size,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be swimming around by yourself, backing up by yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>beeping by yourself. They migrate, and you know, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>more about how they spawn later, because it was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a mystery for a long long.

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<v Speaker 3>Time and still kind of is in some ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they do migrate to a spawning area, and

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<v Speaker 2>they think they use the urtht magnetic fields. They use

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<v Speaker 2>magnetite in their bodies to navigate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're not the only animals that do, so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know for a fact. We just know that

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<v Speaker 1>there is magnetite in their heads and that that is

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<v Speaker 1>probably what's going on because it's so spectacular the migrations

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<v Speaker 1>that they go. That's essentially the only explanation we have

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<v Speaker 1>on hand.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>If they are in tropical areas, warmer waters, where they

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<v Speaker 2>get migrate to spawn is probably nearish. But if they're

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<v Speaker 2>in the colder areas, it seems like they migrate to

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<v Speaker 2>the warmer areas to spawn, so they may have to

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<v Speaker 2>go a long way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like how people in the Caribbean they don't

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<v Speaker 1>go on vacation because they live on vacation. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you said, electric eels aren't eels, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>really not a whole lot else to say about electric

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<v Speaker 1>eels really.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're knife fish. They're closer to a catfish than

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<v Speaker 3>an eel.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, so forget those guys pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>We really looked too. We're like electric kills. We got

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<v Speaker 1>to find out even though they're not eels, they've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind of interesting. Not really, so sorry everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what is interesting is the more a eel.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the sort of the most famous of the

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<v Speaker 2>ocean dwelling eels, the saltwater eels, member of the family

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<v Speaker 2>Muraneda fifteen genera. There two hundred species makes up about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent of all the eels, and they live

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, if you've ever been snorkeling or scuba diving,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably haven't seen one during the day. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you've ever gone and put your face in a heidi

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<v Speaker 2>hole in that coral, maybe you could see one because

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<v Speaker 2>that's where they like to hide.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, be careful though, because they probably will buy you

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<v Speaker 1>if you stick your face in their heidi hole.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I did that a little bit in Belize. I was

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<v Speaker 2>asked to snorkel fishing guys with this. There were spearfishing

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and I was like, like with spear guns.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, can you teach me? They're like, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>just follow along. And then you know, he told me

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<v Speaker 2>dive down there and put your face in that hole

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<v Speaker 2>and tell me what he saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you really Yeah, yeah, it was It was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was trying to do it like

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<v Speaker 2>they did it, you know, sure, but I didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>anything they did, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see an eel though?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>But it was a little scary to put your face

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<v Speaker 3>down there, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean doing that above ground can be

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<v Speaker 1>pretty unnerving. Under the sea, that's just scary. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like Timothy Dalton then Flash Gordon when he

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<v Speaker 2>reached his hand into that thing, or.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Indiana Jones. Didn't he do that in One

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<v Speaker 1>of them had spiders everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they were insects. He had to stick his hand,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, reaching for a lever or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so great. One of my favorites are it's a

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<v Speaker 1>type of mori. It's called the ribbon eel. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>look pictures up of these guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, they're gorgeous, gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>So there. They are very appropriately named. They're very flat

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<v Speaker 1>and wide. They do look like ribbons, especially when they're

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<v Speaker 1>undulating through the water. But one of the cool things

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<v Speaker 1>is is that they're born as males blue and yellow males,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden they go boop, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in all yellow female now yeah, check me out. And

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<v Speaker 1>they can reproduce either way, depending on what phase of

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<v Speaker 1>life they're in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just incredible, very bright, almost fluorescent like, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of one of those you know, undersea colors that just

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like they should exist in nature, but it

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<v Speaker 2>definitely exists in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, beautiful, all right, so there.

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<v Speaker 2>If you know a more, you know, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>great smile. They're known for those those really scary looking teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>They have two sets of jaws. The second set, the

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<v Speaker 2>fairyngeal jaws, faces backwards to kind of lock you in

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<v Speaker 2>and keep you from escaping if they have you in

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<v Speaker 2>their grasp. Yeah, but they're not dead or not after you.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to be afraid of the moray eel

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<v Speaker 2>like if they if they get you in the water,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably because you're in there at night and it's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously an accident.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not like after people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, they only get you when you stick your face

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<v Speaker 1>in their heidi hole.

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<v Speaker 3>H Yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons why people are like man, those

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<v Speaker 1>things look really aggressive. Is because they show their teeth

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. And that's not because they're trying to scare

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<v Speaker 1>you or because they're really proud of their teeth. It's

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<v Speaker 1>because they lack opercula, which are those plate like covers

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<v Speaker 1>that go over fish gills, you know that they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go back and forth on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they flamber like.

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<v Speaker 1>That Mondy python sketching with the Meaning of Life where

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<v Speaker 1>their goldfish and they're moving their hands. They were simulating opercula,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things opercula does is it regulates

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of moves water over the gills. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>mores don't have that, so they have to get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of water through their mouth and then that's how

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<v Speaker 1>they funnel the water through the gills. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>the gills is where the oxygen is absorbed out of

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<v Speaker 1>the water into the circulation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. So that's when you're gonna see the teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, you're not gonna get bitten most likely,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you do, it's not going to be fun

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Those teeth are very sharp.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very painful bite apparently because it punctures very deep,

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<v Speaker 2>so it could always get like tendons and nerves and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And while they are not venomous, they do that slime.

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<v Speaker 2>They have slime in their mouths as well, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a substance called hema glutenin, and it causes red blood

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<v Speaker 2>cells to clump up.

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<v Speaker 3>But they also.

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<v Speaker 2>They think they generate something called chriinotoxin, so that destroys

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<v Speaker 2>red blood cells. So all of that stuff is a

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<v Speaker 2>why it's painful, and it can be like super prone

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<v Speaker 2>to infection. Those teeth can break off in your wound.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw Chriinotoxins also are the reason catfish things hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like we talked about that in our

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<v Speaker 3>noodling episode.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. Yeah, that's like sticking your face in

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<v Speaker 1>the Heidi hole, but using your arm instead of your face.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So the more is a type of ocean eel,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can kind of divide eels into ocean and

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<v Speaker 1>fresh water as we'll see, although ocean eels are far

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<v Speaker 1>and away the largest in number and type, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the other big big I guess ocean eels

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<v Speaker 1>is called the conger from family congrete A, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are like deep water dwellers like three thousand feet below

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<v Speaker 1>the surface. Some of them hang out in some rocky

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<v Speaker 1>areas like More's maybe around coral reefs. But the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's remarkable about the European conger is that that's the

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<v Speaker 1>heaviest one, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're not as long and slender as the more

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're still long and snakelike, but they're they're rounder.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the biggest one recorded as two hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>two pounds, Yeah, which is you know, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 2>game fish. So if you got a two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty two, that's a pretty good catch that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like how much a couchways? Yeah, yeah, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad I said that because I've been forgetting

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<v Speaker 1>just to mention this. So our dear awesome friend Brandon Reid, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he created he's our webmaster everybody. He runs and created

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<v Speaker 1>and great great pal. He created a website called Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Clark Calculates and you can go to Josh Clark Calculates

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<v Speaker 3>Why why am I just now learning about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I kept forgetting to mention it and he showed

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<v Speaker 1>it to me before. I guess he showed it to

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<v Speaker 1>me in Chicago when he came to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I'm looking at it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Clark calculates the weirdest way to measure absolutely anything, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the Space Then the example in the homepage is the

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<v Speaker 2>beat boob, the Space Shuttle Endeavor has the speed of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two thousand, seven hundred and seventy eight washing machines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he was telling me like, that's like those

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<v Speaker 1>are legitimate measurements, like comparison.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is my new favorite homepage.

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<v Speaker 1>That awesome. Yeah, that is so cool, man, Love Brandon.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have to get a band named Generator or something going.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's a good idea to you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, that was a lot of fun. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like we should take a break. Everyone can go visit

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<v Speaker 2>that website and calculate some stuff and we'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>with more about eels.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Chuck, we're back, and now we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about my favorite kind of eel. Is this your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>kind of eel? Uh? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>These cute little guys look like plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I've seen these before. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>there were eels, but they're like, yeah, little worm like

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<v Speaker 1>stems sticking up out of the sandy bottom, waving kind

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<v Speaker 1>of back and forth with the current. And there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many of them it does it looks like just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a field of plants. But if you zoom in,

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<v Speaker 1>they are these cute little eels with cute little faces. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just eating plankton that goes past, and they spend most

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<v Speaker 1>of their lives cemented in the sandy bottom, even though

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<v Speaker 1>they're able to get out and move free. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of where they live. It's also their heidi.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're called garden eels, and I think when they

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<v Speaker 2>get startled, they their whole body goes back in their

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<v Speaker 2>little burrow. But yeah, these are the ones that can

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<v Speaker 2>hang out together, so it look like a little field

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<v Speaker 2>of seagrass and beat thousands of these little guys just

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<v Speaker 2>waving around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're so cute too, just lolick up garden eel

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<v Speaker 1>and look at their little very serious faces.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you are an eel that's living deep in

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<v Speaker 2>the ocean, you're not going to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>colorful ones. You're probably going to be black or dull gray.

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<v Speaker 2>And the gulp or eel is another one that you

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<v Speaker 2>should look up when it's safe to do so. This

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<v Speaker 2>is it's also called the pelican eel. They're all over

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<v Speaker 2>the world, basically in tropical and temperate climates, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are very deep dwellers, like five to ten thousand feet

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<v Speaker 2>below the surface, and they look crazy. They are a

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<v Speaker 2>few feet long, and their jaw is really the star

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<v Speaker 2>of the show. It's a lot bigger than their skull

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<v Speaker 2>and it can unhinge and act as a scoop. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks sort of like well, I mean, they call it

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<v Speaker 2>pelican for a and it looks pelican s but its

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<v Speaker 2>shaped like a shovel, like if a shovel and a

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<v Speaker 2>bucket got together and made it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what it would look.

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, and it doesn't always look like that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so when it changes shape it looks extremely alien. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really neat. The video I saw was Gulper eel balloons

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<v Speaker 1>its massive jaw a nautilus live and it's just amazing

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<v Speaker 1>to watch that thing do its thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree, that very very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this next section to me is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most astounding things that I didn't know about.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the fact that eels have a real big

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<v Speaker 2>significance in human history, and especially in medieval Europe. But

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking mainly about the American eel, the European eel,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Japanese eel. These are fresh water eels. They

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<v Speaker 2>go to spawn in the oceans, but they live in

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<v Speaker 2>fresh water, and they were a huge, huge, huge source

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<v Speaker 2>of food for a very long time in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and still are. Japan loves unagi.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah. One of the reasons why they played such

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<v Speaker 1>a role as a food source around the world is

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<v Speaker 1>that number one, they were easy to come by, like literally,

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<v Speaker 1>they're swimming around in streams and rivers all over the

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<v Speaker 1>northern hemisphere. And in addition to that, they're really really nutritious.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out high in protein, lots of vitamin B twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin A, vitamin D that's hard to come by if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not out in the sun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>B twelve for goats.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, And only three hundred and seventy five calories

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<v Speaker 1>for an eel fil a, which is actually pretty new

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<v Speaker 1>calorie dnse for a fish. But it's it's very good

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<v Speaker 1>for you too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of good fat and protein in there as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that unagi that I used to love to eat.

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<v Speaker 2>I would cook it up myself. It was delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, you cooked it yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I talked about this before. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>near the Decab farmers market near where I live. There's

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<v Speaker 2>the I think it's cool stand, the first Oriental market,

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<v Speaker 2>and they sell eel as well as lots of like

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen wars and kind of cool stuff from Japan. But sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go get eel there out of the fridge

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<v Speaker 2>and bake it in your oven and coat it with

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<v Speaker 2>some I used taraaki, but I think traditionally is the

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<v Speaker 2>kabayaki sauce is used.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that right to drill.

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<v Speaker 2>To grill those things up and it's I mean, kabayaki

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<v Speaker 2>is basically the same. I think it just doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>like I think it's like a stripped down taraiyaki. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have ginger and garlic in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it's also a little thicker too, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's about the same, but it's just uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of just the sweet stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very good. I agree with you. I nothing

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<v Speaker 1>in here really put me off of eel, especially your nagi.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, that's good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things you haven't screamed yet. We haven't

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<v Speaker 1>reached that part yet.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the reasons zunagi is, I guess noteworthy

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<v Speaker 1>in Japanese culture. One as far as sushi goes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the rare parts of sushi that's ever cooked,

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<v Speaker 1>like across the board. Yeah. And then number two, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called one of the big four foods of the Edo period,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think ran from the seventeenth century to the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. Those four were soba, sushi, and doctor pepper.

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<v Speaker 3>I know this answer, So you didn't get me this time.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the other one?

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<v Speaker 2>The other one is timpura and you mentioned it's the

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<v Speaker 2>only one that's like routinely cooked because you have to

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<v Speaker 2>because eel blood is toxic to human so you have

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<v Speaker 2>to grill that stuff up just right. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that is dound to me. Is

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that it was such a big deal

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<v Speaker 2>in the northeastern US in eastern Canada before and after colonization,

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<v Speaker 2>so indigenous peoples loved eel. I think eel's made up

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<v Speaker 2>about a quarter more than a quarter of the fish

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.520
<v Speaker 2>found in streams along the coast of the of northern

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<v Speaker 2>northeastern Northern America. Yeah, and you know, you could smoke

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<v Speaker 2>it and carry it with you on the trail, you

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<v Speaker 2>could salt it and cure it, and obviously you could

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trap them and grill them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think one of the things that I've read

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere is that like an eel file at is it

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<v Speaker 1>does not taste fishy. I saw it compared to a

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<v Speaker 1>taste of venison. Even I've my experience with eel has

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<v Speaker 1>never been like that. It's always been like a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like on on sushi. Have Did you ever eat

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<v Speaker 1>like a big hunk of eel at once?

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<v Speaker 2>No, It's always just been, you know, like you would

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<v Speaker 2>eat on sushi, but they come in a in a

0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 2>long eel like package.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, and then you know, you just bake it in

0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 3>the oven. I think they're already pre cooked.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gotcha?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, so you're so they maybe shrunk or something,

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:03.800
<v Speaker 2>but you're basically just heating it up and glazing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotcha. Smoke deal sounds kind of good. I would

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<v Speaker 1>try smoke deal.

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sounds really good.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't just the indigenous peoples of North America

0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 1>who were eating eel. The people in Europe at the

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.679
<v Speaker 1>same time were crazy for eel and had been for

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:24.360
<v Speaker 1>centuries and centuries. Apparently they've found old willow traps, which

0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.640
<v Speaker 1>are basically like woven baskets that are easy to get

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 1>into and hard to get out of. That eel would

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 1>swim into and they'd be like, oh no, not again,

0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and they would become smoked or salted or dried and

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 1>very interestingly chuck. They would often be used as currency.

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 1>That's how valued eel were, but also how common they

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:46.120
<v Speaker 1>were too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the fact that the episode for me

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea that in medieval times, not at medieval times,

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>but during medieval times, about half a million dried eels

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.160
<v Speaker 2>were used to pay rent in England every single year.

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for all sorts of debts. And I mean it

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>continued on for a very long time. And to kill

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 1>a mockingbird, Walter Cunningham from Old Saram pays Atticus Finch

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and a thousand live eels at one point.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that for real? Oh man? I never wanted to

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 3>cuss so bad on the show.

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.000
<v Speaker 1>No. And the reason why that's a giveaway, Chuck, is

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 1>that I said live eels. Nobody wanted the live eels.

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 1>They wanted them prepared, smoked, yeah, dried, and then depending

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>on how many were put together. Did you see like

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 1>there were different names for like ten eels together, Yeah,

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:40.919
<v Speaker 1>twenty five eels together.

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<v Speaker 3>Like wrap them up? And when was a stick? Was one?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, that's like twenty five okay, and then uh no,

0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:52.640
<v Speaker 1>that's ten. Yeah, a bind is twenty five, And those

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:55.880
<v Speaker 1>are basically they were treated like denominations, like I'll give

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>you a bind of eels for that can of doctor pepper.

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Two bindes stick. Yeah, it'd be twenty five or it'd

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.679
<v Speaker 3>be sixty. Well we should type it into Josh Clark.

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Exactly see, it'd be like, does not compute.

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 3>There needs to be one in there. For Josh Clark calculates.

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 2>It was like, how many eels would it take to

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<v Speaker 2>live in the East village for a month?

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>That's a good one man, whatever year, ten trillion eels.

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Or how many sticks is that?

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 1>That's a trillion sticks?

0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, thank you.

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:31.439
<v Speaker 1>That was an easy one.

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<v Speaker 2>They were very popular food wise though, during church holidays

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and during fasting seasons because and this is like up

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 2>to like a few months out of the year or

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 2>more than that one hundred and twenty days.

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's like six months.

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>A quarter of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, third, Oh god, here we go, a third

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 3>a third?

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna type it into your website again.

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>You could not eat meat, but you could eat fish

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>during those fasting season. So because there were so many eels,

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>they were you know, it's a pretty attractive meal.

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a nice meal of eels, that's right. There was

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 1>one other reason too, that we'll see why they were

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 1>highly thought of for fasting during Christian or Catholic I

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 1>guess feast days was that they are have long been

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>considered a sexual because as we'll see that, like people

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 1>have no idea how they've reproduced. And I thought that.

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Was pretty interesting, Yeah, super interesting.

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Like regular fish that have sex would just make you

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 1>think of nothing but sex while you're eating them, I guess.

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>But at eel you're all good.

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, should we take a break or should

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 2>we talk about the reproduction now?

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I'd say we take a break, man, Okay.

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, we're going to talk about how they reproduce

0:26:47.560 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 2>right after this. All right, everybody back to the mystery

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 2>of eel reproduction. In the old days, in the classical

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Mediterranean era, they had all kinds of crazy ideas about

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.959
<v Speaker 2>how eels reproduce because they seemed to just appear. No

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 2>one ever saw them doing it. No one ever saw

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>eel eggs. People had cut eels open and found no

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:42.719
<v Speaker 2>reproductive organs. Seems to be unusually preoccupied with this, in

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>my opinion. They had a lot of weird opinions and

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 2>theories as well.

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:51.959
<v Speaker 1>Right, sure, sure, but imagine if, like, you know how

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 1>much cow stay chicken. Okay, humans eat a lot of chicken.

0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Imagine if while you're eating chicken, you're like, where the

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.400
<v Speaker 1>hell do you chickens come from? No one has any

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 1>idea like the chicken is solicious, but I have no

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 1>idea how chickens are born.

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you probably should have picked something that

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 2>doesn't lay an egg in front of you.

0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, sure, I get what you mean.

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's another reason why the mystery is

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>so deep. As they're like, yeah, chickens lay eggs, pigs,

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 1>they'd love to do it. Like they're all like they

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>knew how everything else came about. Basically, eels, they're like,

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess they just spontaneously generate.

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Finally, in seventeen seventy seven, there was an Italian surgeon

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and researcher named Carlo Mundine and he finally don't ask

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 2>me how, but he finally located the ovaries of an eel,

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 2>and they for decades no one could replicate that fact.

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.479
<v Speaker 2>And then eventually they found the testicles as well. And

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>no less than Sigmund Freud was one of the one

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>of the people looking for those eel testes.

0:28:58.000 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>My friend, he was the one who found them.

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this is earlier in his career, but yeah,

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 2>he dissected four hundred eels. I guess he on the

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and first found him.

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>It's always the last deal you look in. Yeah, so yeah,

0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>So Freud was the person who identified for the first time.

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>People have been thinking about this for two thousand years

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>at least, how eels reproduced. But at the same time

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>they were like, great, they have gonads, they have ovaries,

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>where do they like Why don't we ever see them

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>using these things? Why don't we ever see their babies?

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>This is all very weird. So the mystery continued even

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 1>after Freud, although it was really kind of starting to

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>heat up around that time. I think Freud found the

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>gonads in eighteen seventy six, and within a couple of decades.

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I think within a decade they had far more material

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 1>to work with than they had. So, like it went

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:52.920
<v Speaker 1>from two thousand years of not knowing what the heck

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>was going on to Bam, bam bam, we almost have

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>it figured out.

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure, Like we knew that they met morphosize.

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 2>We knew that those glass eels, they're basically transparent little babies.

0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>They would show up in coastal waters every spring, and

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>they knew that they shurned into adolescent eels they're called elvers,

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and they know that they would eventually turn color and

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>swim up rivers, and they knew they would eventually become

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 2>yellow eels and that they love to eat those things,

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and then eventually they would become silver eels. Is the

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 2>final stop on the eel train, and that is when

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>they developed the equipment to reproduce and go up river

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:38.560
<v Speaker 2>into the ocean. But the part between silver eels going

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 2>from the river and then the glass eel floating around

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 2>was the mystery.

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if you put those two things together, like, Okay,

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the glass eels show up on the coast, the silver

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>eels swim out to sea, seems like that these freshwater

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>eels breeding grounds are somewhere out there in the ocean.

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>It's gotta be right. Yeah. So before that, there was

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>this idea that there were these little things, almost plankton

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>like organisms, or I think they were plankton, which apparently

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the definition of plankton is any floating sea life that

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>just gets moved along by the current, can't move around itself.

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.719
<v Speaker 1>There were these little tiny floating I guess they were

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>shaped like willow leaves, and they were identified as leptocephalous

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Revostis rostras, and they thought this was a whole different

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 1>type of fish, and it turned out what they were

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>looking at were the larva of eels. They misidentified them

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>as something and it took like a couple of decades

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>before they were like, no, this is actually eel larva.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And they found out thanks to a French guy named

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Eve Delage, who probably was quite surprised when he put

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>one of these things in a tank.

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he put one in a tank and saw it

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 2>go through every metamorphosis. I guess I would assume he

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 2>kept getting bigger tanks, unless you had a big one

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>to begin with. But eventually it became a glass, and

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>then an elver, and then about ten years after that,

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>there was an Italian zoologist named Giovanni Battista who saw

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 2>this happen out in the wild. And so, all right,

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 2>we really are cooking with gas now, but where do

0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.960
<v Speaker 2>those little silver eels go? Where are they going to

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>make this larva? They still hadn't figured out that part.

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, once they mature. So there's a Dutch marine biologist

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>named Ernst Johann Schmidt, which is a great Danish name.

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I said Dutch, right, He's a Dane, Sorry,

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Danish people. He was supported by the Carlsburg Foundation, and

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 1>yet they were founded by the beer company. Yeah, and

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>they essentially funded scientific expeditions. They funded Ernst Schmidt and

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>he started He just basically set out to figure out

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>this mystery of how silver eels produce the little willow

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>leaf larva.

0:32:57.520 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So he started fishing his nets along the coast and

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>he found them in the North Sea. He found them

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>in the Mediterranean, and they were pretty big by this point.

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 2>So he was like, I don't think this is where

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>they started because they've grown a little too much. So

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he got together with some commercial fishing boats, said hey,

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:19.479
<v Speaker 2>I could use some help because you guys are all

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>over the Atlantic, and they helped him out, and in

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twelve he had a report finally to publish that said, really,

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 2>these little small larvae and silver eels are, which is

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the end stage, all the way out in the mid Atlantic,

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of nowhere.

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So he was like, I think that they probably

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>breed in the Sargasso Sea. And he never found them.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>He never saw that they were in the Sargasso Sea.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>But it turned out he was correct.

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Sargasso see apparently is a pretty rich breeding ground for

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of reasons. One reason and because of the

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>brown sarcasm that floats on top, I think it just

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>creates a sort of a nice, covered, shady habitat. Yeah,

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's not just the eels. I think a lot

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.240
<v Speaker 2>of things kind of reproduce in the Sargasso.

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Sea, for sure. And the reason the Sargasso Sea is

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>remarkable is it's a sea in the Atlantic.

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Ocean, yeah, for sure.

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's kept in place by I think four currents

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>that kind of come together and create a gyre. And

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of this gyre is what we call

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the Sargasso Sea. And it's relatively still compared to the

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>rest of the ocean. It's very high in saline, and

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it stays pretty warm. It's largely off the coast of

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the eastern United States, I believe, is where it's mostly situated,

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>all the way out to the Azores zorusors sure. And

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 1>it turns out in I think twenty eighteen, a European

0:34:55.560 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>team led by Rosalind Wright found out that yes, Ernest

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Schmidt was correct that they do eels do actually mate

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 1>in the Sargasso Sea.

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>That's right now, that's those There are other freshwater eels

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 2>that spawn in other places. Obviously, they don't all go there.

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I think Japanese eels spawn at these underwater mountains around

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 2>the Marianna Ridge, which is pretty incredible.

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>So neat. Yeah, yeah, And then I think African long

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>fin eels spawn in the Indian Ocean. And you might say,

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.319
<v Speaker 1>like who cares, Like, yeah, it was a mystery, but yeah,

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 1>think about this. Eels are like halfway up the Rhine

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany. Yeah, They're like, well, it's time for me

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<v Speaker 1>to go reproduce, so I'm getting to be that age.

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<v Speaker 1>They swim all the way down to the Atlantic Ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>swim all the way across the Atlantic Ocean to the

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<v Speaker 1>Sargasso Sea. That's where they mate, and then their little

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>tiny larvae, these little floating plankton, make their way all

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 1>the way back two Europe again, where they turn into

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<v Speaker 1>glass eels then elvas, and then swim back up and

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<v Speaker 1>take their place up the Rhine until they do the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. That's a very strange reproductive strategy, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>what eels do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Eels are like salmon, please exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a word for it. I can't quite bring

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<v Speaker 1>to mind. I want to say catacephalic, that might be it.

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<v Speaker 1>But essentially it's they're born in the ocean, but they

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<v Speaker 1>live their lives in fresh water.

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<v Speaker 3>Now yeah, yeah, what was that word? I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 3>it now, catacephalic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably wrong, but I'm going to say that authoritatively.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So today eels the International Union for Conservation

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<v Speaker 2>of Nature the Red List listen as threatened species. The

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 2>European eels are critically endangered, and the American, Japanese and

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand long fin eels are endangered.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm screaming out. Yeah I could see that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're endangered.

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<v Speaker 2>And then some of this other stuff to come was

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty big turn off for me as far as

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<v Speaker 2>eating them goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess that puts me off of eating eels.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, no pressure bud.

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<v Speaker 2>American and European eel populations have dropped by more than

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent since the nineteen seventies, same with Japanese eel populations.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Hydropower turbines and dams is a big reason. We know

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<v Speaker 2>that they disrupt all sorts of underwater aquatic life, but

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<v Speaker 2>also overfishing, the loss of wetlands and pollution.

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<v Speaker 3>So they you know, the eels that you eat.

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<v Speaker 2>And this almost got me back on it. They're raised

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<v Speaker 2>in aquaculture facilities. They aren't bread in captivity because it's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard to do as obviously that we've seen. Their

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 2>reproduction is pretty tricky overall, so if they were to

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<v Speaker 2>try and do that, they would have to introduce hormones

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:53.800
<v Speaker 2>to induce sexual development. Keeping those larvae alive is really

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<v Speaker 2>difficult in captivity just because of the organic matter that

0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 2>exists in the wild, like they really need that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So what they do is they capture those little glass

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:08.400
<v Speaker 2>eels in the wild and bring them to the farms

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<v Speaker 2>to raise them to maturity so you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Eat them right. And one of the reasons, maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that American and European eels have dropped by ninety

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<v Speaker 1>percent since the seventies is that when you're taking these

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>glass eels out of the ocean. Number one, you're preventing

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<v Speaker 1>that same number of eels from ever growing up to

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<v Speaker 1>reproduce because they're going to get eaten before they get

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to. And two, if eels follow any kind

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>of typical evolutionary strategy, they probably have a ton of

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>larva and a huge percentage of them die off, and

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<v Speaker 1>the glass eels are the ones that make it so

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is saying, like, thanks for the surviving larva, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take them and eat them. So that

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<v Speaker 1>prevents an entire species from reproducing for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why their stocks have died off from those fisheries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, don't I think we skip the part where like,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't they tag eels to track them?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how they found out Rosalind Wright in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight That's how they found out. But yeah, I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to mention that part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, crazy to tag a little eel. Maine, the US

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.759
<v Speaker 2>state of Maine is the only state that has a

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 2>glass eel fishing industry. They have license what they're called

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<v Speaker 2>elverman because remember the elvers is the third to I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>the penultimate stage, and there are four hundred and twenty

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>five licensed elvermen that can harvest around seventy five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>pounds between late March and early June every year, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they ship it off to Hong Kong.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice. Do you know what the third to last

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 1>is called?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh is that a word for that? Are you about

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<v Speaker 3>to dupe me?

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<v Speaker 1>No? This is for real, chuck, I promise, Okay, what

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 1>it's anti penultimate but like ante, like anti chamber antipenultimate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. That always reminds me. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this in the Gary Larson episode the second

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<v Speaker 2>to the last of the Mohicans cartoon, Yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just a big line of indigenous I guess Mohicans and

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the second the last of the one in line. Everyone's

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.720
<v Speaker 2>facing one way and he just turned around and waving

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 2>and smiling.

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<v Speaker 1>How great, man? YEI guy, you got anything else about eels?

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Yeah, If you want to know more about eels,

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I go watch videos about David Byrne and see what

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>books he recommends. You can also visit your local aquarium.

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>You can also go online and visit the website of

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.839
<v Speaker 1>your local aquarium. There's all sorts of stuff you can

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 1>do to learn more about eels. And I urge you too,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe stop eating them. I'm going to too, Okay, Chuck, really,

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to stop eating American or European eels for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, No more unagi for us.

0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>No, it's been a while since I had it anyway,

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>so it's not like it's a huge given loss me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, since Chuck agreed, that we're both going

0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to give up. Eel, It's time for listener now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is from Alex and this is a follow up

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<v Speaker 2>about the baking soda and coconut oil deodorant from the

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.359
<v Speaker 2>listener mail. Apparently Alex is sort of an expert on this,

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<v Speaker 2>so okay, again, you don't tread carefully whenever you're applying

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<v Speaker 2>anything to your skin and body.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you refresh my memory? I don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Deodorant basically like baking soda and coconut oil, if you

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<v Speaker 2>mix together into a paste, can be a good like

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>natural deodorant, Okay, but it can also like chafe your

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 2>skin and cause outbreaks if you don't get the mix right.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this is what Alex says.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this for the better part of fifteen years, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and have continuously adjusted the recipe to balance what I

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<v Speaker 2>found to be three main factors, odor eliminating effectiveness, skin reaction,

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<v Speaker 2>and staining of clothing. Baking soda is responsible for the

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 2>first two and needs to be carefully balanced to be

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>effective enough while not causing a rash. Coconut oil is

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 2>commonly used to act as a concentration, reduction and application medium.

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<v Speaker 3>But it stains the clothes.

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I found that corn starch is an x is excellent

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and being a neutral alternative. To reduce a concentration of

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the baking soda, I usually go about equal volumes of

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the two, then add only enough coconut oil to make

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 2>a thick paste in a pinch. If I find myself

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 2>having forgotten to use deodorant, I will moisten my finger

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and dab it directly in baking soda so that it

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 2>is only very lightly dusted, and then rub that on

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.879
<v Speaker 2>my armpits. But don't do that too often, guys, you'll

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 2>end up with unhappy pits.

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:25.720
<v Speaker 3>But it's a great.

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<v Speaker 2>Backup because most people have a box of baking powder

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<v Speaker 2>open in the fridge and don't care about fingers in

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>it because it's not there for eating. A girlfriend from

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:37.240
<v Speaker 2>another lifetime once told me I should start an armpit empire.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, guys, I'm in Puerto Rico, so

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:41.919
<v Speaker 2>if you ever feel like coming to do a show

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:43.919
<v Speaker 2>in the tropics, would be the first one out telling

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to buy tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is Alex.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks a lot, Alex. Can you just see Alex dipping

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<v Speaker 1>his fingers in some baking soda and rubbing him on

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>his arm pit and saying, ah, refreshed.

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<v Speaker 3>I can just see it.

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<v Speaker 1>even more detail about a whatever it is you know

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.520
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