Speaker 1: Look, oh, I see you my own look over there
Speaker 1: is that culture? Yes, goodness lost culture dang Joon lost
Speaker 1: Culturista's calling Bowen and I are in conflict or not
Speaker 1: tag shall even though we could be no, please, I
Speaker 1: can't say you try. How are you feeling after the
Speaker 1: super Bowl? Well?
Speaker 2: I missed a lot of it, but I am a
Speaker 2: little bit rattled. Honestly.
Speaker 1: Why what happened that rattled you? It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm not to talk politics, but it's crazy that like
Speaker 2: our president is going after yet another pop star.
Speaker 1: He loves it. He loves to, of course with pop
Speaker 1: stars and awards bodies, like I said, as if they're individuals,
Speaker 1: and he gets off on it. So how many times
Speaker 1: is he tweeted about Taylor get a lat I'm not
Speaker 1: keeping track of it on Twitter or on truth.
Speaker 2: So I just know that like he's reveling in it,
Speaker 2: and like if you could go back to two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine and be like, go to the VMA's and
Speaker 2: be like, Taylor, this is what's gonna happen to you,
Speaker 2: Like yay, sorry, dead named Kanye, I get there.
Speaker 1: I did it again.
Speaker 2: You're gonna buy out and add at the dentist to
Speaker 2: go to easy dot com.
Speaker 1: So for people that don't know there was this insane
Speaker 1: Kanye ad that he had bought, it was just him
Speaker 1: like really out of it, like telling people to go
Speaker 1: to easy dot com. I have to say, like, does
Speaker 1: he still sell close? Is that still his thing? I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I don't even know what his deal is anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm just afraid of it. Hey guys, this is Matt.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to jump on here very quickly and
Speaker 1: say that this episode was recorded before we found out
Speaker 1: what Kanye West was selling on his website. Obviously, Bowen
Speaker 1: and I had no interest in actually logging onto easy
Speaker 1: dot com, and so it wasn't until much later, a
Speaker 1: couple of days later, that we found out what exactly
Speaker 1: he was selling, which was t shirts with swastikas on them.
Speaker 1: So that's obviously fucking insane, and our sentiment, as always
Speaker 1: is fuck Kanye West, and I just wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that we made that totally clear so that you
Speaker 1: didn't think we were being glib or dismissing the situation
Speaker 1: as like anything other than what it is, which is
Speaker 1: fucking disgusting. So back to the episode, just wanted to
Speaker 1: jump on and clear there. Bye.
Speaker 2: I think something broke the way that Sarah Sherman talked
Speaker 2: about David Lynch and how he used the Adam bomb
Speaker 2: as a way of talking about humanity being broken and shattering,
Speaker 2: like there's something shattered culturally. When I think when that
Speaker 2: moment happened is yeah, that's the origin point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much of what's.
Speaker 2: Happening now yep, for like this brook to diverge in
Speaker 2: the wood, Oh in this way, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like like that, that was a very fateful night. You
Speaker 2: have so much clarity. No, I know I can only
Speaker 2: call it post not clarity. No, because I know you
Speaker 2: got the nut yesterday. How do you know you told
Speaker 2: me so we are not going to do this.
Speaker 1: So this was what we were in conflict about before the
Speaker 1: episode started. Bowen just no longer wants to discuss his
Speaker 1: personal sexual exploits on the podcasts discussed in Shit. He
Speaker 1: is rolling around like a pig and shit. He's like, Tate,
Speaker 1: it's okay, I'm okay. Like imagine like Bowen just and
Speaker 1: it's cocks all around. It's okay, I'm okay. He's turning
Speaker 1: down the cock. He's saying, it's okay, I'm okay, because
Speaker 1: he's so inundated. Well you know the origin of that phrase.
Speaker 2: But she was in the studio and they were like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's around meal time, like let's order some food, like, Tate,
Speaker 2: do you want anything?
Speaker 1: And she kept saying it's okay, I'm okay. Really, that's
Speaker 1: because she wanted to keep working. She wanted to keep working,
Speaker 1: she says, she is. This is the thing.
Speaker 2: This is someone who holds all three of her titles
Speaker 2: very seriously, seriously singer, songwriter, dancer. Yeah, nothing takes over.
Speaker 2: It's a very well balanced, you know, triangle a plane
Speaker 2: as it were.
Speaker 1: And Tate McCray will be on the podcast in two weeks.
Speaker 1: We're very excited. And what you just did right there
Speaker 1: was amazing for two reasons. One it provided new information
Speaker 1: about Tate that I didn't know, and then too, I
Speaker 1: deflected it, and two was a misdirect. It was a redirect.
Speaker 1: It was a deflection and a project.
Speaker 2: Okay, when was the last time you talked about your sexploits?
Speaker 1: I actually have an announcement. I'm no longer bringing my
Speaker 1: sexploits and personal life to this podcast because I'm genuinely
Speaker 1: out here dating again and so I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: to know how I how I like. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say one thing and then someone think it's about them, right,
Speaker 1: because now I've had that happened recently. I've had that
Speaker 1: happened recently.
Speaker 2: Where I was I was on our good friends Patent
Speaker 2: Cats podcasting treatment and was talking about someone, and then
Speaker 2: another person thought that I was talking about them.
Speaker 1: Oop. Ali, it's Amelia Badelia vibes. It's like in Sister
Speaker 1: or Sister when they would both when they would have
Speaker 1: to switch. I got my own mind, my own stuff
Speaker 1: in my own time. Yes, just like should we reboot? Yes,
Speaker 1: that actually should be our show. It's a sister sister
Speaker 1: rebort twins when we played twins, and the conceit is
Speaker 1: no one can tell us a part because we're twins.
Speaker 1: Well you know this is this is an interesting glimpse.
Speaker 1: Of course. Matt and I wrote a show for ours
Speaker 1: Nova anfest called Night Soap, and it was originally something else.
Speaker 2: It was originally called and this was conceived back in college.
Speaker 2: We were like we were just on some different ship
Speaker 2: back then. Because Matt came up with the title the
Speaker 2: Twins are Fighting Again.
Speaker 1: A gay fantaga with themes, a gay fantasia with themes
Speaker 1: with themes where we did play twins, and then we
Speaker 1: did end up like we always wanted for the show
Speaker 1: to end in a space battle, which ended up being
Speaker 1: the thing that carried over into Night Soap. You know
Speaker 1: that I still have notebooks full of like plot ideas
Speaker 1: and joke ideas and twists for our show. The Twins
Speaker 1: are Fighting Again. Really, yes, I think it's Twins Are
Speaker 1: Fighting Again is title of app The Twins are Fighting
Speaker 1: Again Now. So we eventually did create media that was
Speaker 1: the Twins are Fighting Again, which was this podcast or
Speaker 1: you mean Nightsope, I'm just saying it. Ultimately, we did
Speaker 1: it because we will release this episode. It will be
Speaker 1: called The Twins Are Fighting Again with Matt and Bowen.
Speaker 1: So don't let anyone tell you it's not possible that
Speaker 1: you're kind of hey, a half baked idea can't come
Speaker 1: through later. It can show up in any form. It
Speaker 1: can show up in any form. Yeah, but we didn't
Speaker 1: end up doing it. We did Night Soap, which maybe
Speaker 1: Night Soape will see the light of day. I still
Speaker 1: believe in Night Soap has some sort of entity. I'm
Speaker 1: really proud of Nights because we tore. We tore.
Speaker 2: Not only did we tear, but we really gagged the
Speaker 2: girls with a plot twist at the end.
Speaker 1: You know, I almost died that night. What do you mean? Okay, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that night. It was for your You did
Speaker 1: another show at Ours Nova, yes, and I did. So
Speaker 1: there was time in my life there was what would
Speaker 1: you call this was like an eight to ten month
Speaker 1: period of my life during pap Roulette and that Hu
Speaker 1: where I was doing death drops on stage. Yes, you
Speaker 1: were doing a lot of and you were very good,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was describing it full leaps into the air,
Speaker 1: like no training, just me visualizing in my head and
Speaker 1: watching drag Race how it should be and allowing myself
Speaker 1: to fall on the ground. But this was my entire
Speaker 1: late twenties, and during that I forget what it was
Speaker 1: you were doing some I was doing. Yeah, I forget
Speaker 1: our showgasm or something. It was showgasm. Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: hosting something or performing one some one person show. And
Speaker 1: I came out and did a death drop, and afterwards
Speaker 1: I was told that my neck almost Hilary swank million
Speaker 1: dollar baby on a chair.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine, man? Oh my god, I'm so sad
Speaker 2: even thinking about that.
Speaker 1: It would have been really awful. Had I Hillary Swank
Speaker 1: million dollar baby because I thought, let me do a
Speaker 1: death drop. Imagine explaining that to my parents. I am
Speaker 1: to have done it. I would have had to have
Speaker 1: done it.
Speaker 2: I would have been in a police outfit for some reason,
Speaker 2: in a police outfit. I just imagine being in a
Speaker 2: quote unquote police outfit knocking at your parents' door telling
Speaker 2: them that their their son had passed away.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's check it out. I'm Katrina. Oh my god, Ritchie,
Speaker 1: it's Bowen. Hi. What are you doing here? You look
Speaker 1: so cute? Miss Rogers, I'm miss Rogers. Are you? My
Speaker 1: name is Officer Yang and I what's happened? Oh no,
Speaker 1: you'ren like this at all. Your son was doing a
Speaker 1: show gasm was a guest on a I don't understand
Speaker 1: a show gasm show that it's there, don't know showgasm.
Speaker 1: It's at ours Nova, which I don't like the title. Really,
Speaker 1: Oh it's a play on the words orgasm and show.
Speaker 1: Well I understood that part. So what happened? How was
Speaker 1: the show? It was mid?
Speaker 2: It was a mid well oh sorry, So in about
Speaker 2: ten years.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a term that people use, so
Speaker 1: sort of in the middle, sort of not so good,
Speaker 1: not so many. Well, you know, you do lots of
Speaker 1: great shows, but we love coming to the shows.
Speaker 2: In this moment, I'm sorry, sorry, mister Rogers. In this moment,
Speaker 2: I am a Katrina. You've always called me Katrina some reason.
Speaker 2: I've taken it upon myself to be a police officer for.
Speaker 1: You, but I support you. We love the police. My
Speaker 1: mom doesn't say how my mom feels back. Your son
Speaker 1: Matt did a death drop. Oh no, and he Hyla
Speaker 1: recently a million dollar baby has had on a chair
Speaker 1: won the boxing match. I only saw the first forty
Speaker 1: five minutes of that movie and fell asleep. What happens
Speaker 1: at the end? Is your husband around? Can I come in? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of course, come in?
Speaker 2: And oh man, you are so embodied in Katrina.
Speaker 1: I know her better than she fucking knows herself. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, do you feel I feel like you? You
Speaker 1: are that way with me. Sometimes you know me better
Speaker 1: than I know me. I here's what I'll say. I
Speaker 1: know your energy sometimes without even being in the room.
Speaker 1: I literally know exactly how you feel at all times.
Speaker 1: I know I lost. Yes, I usually have like some sense,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what the temperature is at all times,
Speaker 1: so like whether you're okay, you're okay or not.
Speaker 2: Like what was the last time you tried to like
Speaker 2: really channel into into like my mind.
Speaker 1: I mean I literally walked in today, looked at you
Speaker 1: and said, what's the matter? No, that's a whole separate thing.
Speaker 1: It is a whole separate thing. I was having a
Speaker 1: conversation with Engineer Doug. Engineer Doug and we were talking
Speaker 1: about something heavy, and I come in the room and
Speaker 1: I saw but I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: There is almost like a it's like a it's like
Speaker 1: a resigned yearning. It's like, oh, I said, what's the matter? No,
Speaker 1: I was listening to the conversation.
Speaker 2: I was listening to your conversation as you guys walked in,
Speaker 2: and because it was dovetailing on a conversation that I
Speaker 2: was having with Engineer Doug as well about the same
Speaker 2: heavy topic. Yes, yes, we're dancing around this. It's not
Speaker 2: it's not anything bad. It's just it's a thing that
Speaker 2: you know, it's something bad. It is right, it's something bad.
Speaker 2: It's just not something that should be.
Speaker 1: Do you mind if we if we share, Like Okay,
Speaker 1: so Doug experienced lots of pain because of the fires.
Speaker 1: His neighborhood is has taken quite the beating, and we're
Speaker 1: thinking of him, and we were just checking in with
Speaker 1: him and again reaching out to everyone out there who
Speaker 1: is It's so odd sometimes when I feel like the
Speaker 1: world moves on, you know what I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: stop thinking about this. Yeah, Like it's like I remember
Speaker 1: when I was little, Like my great grandfather passed away
Speaker 1: when I was twelve, and I remember I had this
Speaker 1: moment where it was like it was like mid November,
Speaker 1: it was cold on Long Island, and we were at
Speaker 1: the funeral and we get in the car and we
Speaker 1: turned on the car and I remember, like so loudly,
Speaker 1: like pop music started playing from the FM radio, and
Speaker 1: I was like, it's so crazy that the rest of
Speaker 1: the world is still listening to pop music, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be a sunny day today
Speaker 1: or it's going to continue, like the world's going to
Speaker 1: keep going in this way despite this tragedy, and I
Speaker 1: can't imagine how it must feel to have the entire
Speaker 1: world pivot and like send you condolences and like, obviously
Speaker 1: it's been a lasting topic in the news because it's
Speaker 1: such a tragedy and so much has befallen that region.
Speaker 1: But the moment where it feels like everyone else moves
Speaker 1: on to the world keeps turning.
Speaker 2: Of course it must. It's still well. It just makes
Speaker 2: it impossible to go between like feeling this interior kind
Speaker 2: of like mourning and loss and like how do you
Speaker 2: cope with that like from within and then try to
Speaker 2: engage with the world in a way that like isn't
Speaker 2: totally devastating, because it's like, oh, the world does spin
Speaker 2: on and you're like, yeah, what does this mean?
Speaker 1: I wish I could specifically remember what song it was
Speaker 1: that was playing, because you know, it was dumb? Is
Speaker 1: it what yours? This? It was two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: So let's think about November two thousand and two. Ken,
Speaker 1: are we that good at culture? I'm gonna say a
Speaker 1: shanty foolish foolish? No, I hope it was. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: the thing is like, I feel like if it was
Speaker 1: a Shanti Foolish, which by the way, is a great song,
Speaker 1: is that on the Great Global Songbook? I don't think it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has. We might have to do
Speaker 1: a new list that might be nominated. What Foolish by
Speaker 1: Ashanti might be nominated. Wow, I don't know a category,
Speaker 1: but it might be nominated. You we have to we
Speaker 1: have to do what days that you and heard the
Speaker 1: HU take no more keep Wow?
Speaker 2: I mean we can't officially say it's nominated yet because
Speaker 2: there are meetings involved.
Speaker 1: No, there's so much meetings involved now more than ever.
Speaker 1: There's meetings, meetings involve let's just say the Cultural awards.
Speaker 1: There's meetings involved. There's meetings involved. That's all. That's all
Speaker 1: we can say. You are why are we multimedia?
Speaker 2: Because this was this is all this is what you
Speaker 2: are pushed to do these days. You have to be multimedia.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask to write a book, but they asked
Speaker 2: us how.
Speaker 1: Did that go? Did we ask to write it or
Speaker 1: did they ask us? I think we always wanted to do.
Speaker 1: We always wanted to write a culture. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I I'm cooked, and so I don't think I could
Speaker 2: write like I'm like Rules of Culture is the perfect
Speaker 2: book project for me and us. But I'm saying my
Speaker 2: brain because I I don't think I could write down
Speaker 2: a single thought or depiction of my experience in like
Speaker 2: a memoir form. If I were to ever gun to
Speaker 2: my head have to do that, you literally could.
Speaker 1: But I at the same time, I do think it's
Speaker 1: good that we're sort of entering the book space with
Speaker 1: like not training wheels, but we get to do it together, yes,
Speaker 1: and we gets to do this thing that's going to
Speaker 1: have like such a fun container. And so it's practice
Speaker 1: for your incredible, revelatory, searing, trench trenchent provocative sexual at
Speaker 1: times if you ever open up, because here I am
Speaker 1: trying to get you to open up about your goddamn
Speaker 1: sexual exploits. But it's like trying to milk a stone,
Speaker 1: shouldn't you think so? Especially really culture number eighty eight,
Speaker 1: trying to milk a stone is a real that's that
Speaker 1: real expression. I was talking to my girl the other
Speaker 1: day and I was trying to find out what we
Speaker 1: were doing this weekend, and it was like trying to
Speaker 1: milk us. Yeah. Wait, I get what you're saying. Should
Speaker 1: the episode should title of that be to milk a stone?
Speaker 1: Instead of the twins are fighting again to milk a stone? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: now we're giving too much shine on to milk a stone.
Speaker 1: You know what I wish we could do what have
Speaker 1: the reader's vote for this title of thing. But we
Speaker 1: can't because that's not it's not going to chronologically logistically,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. I get so frustrated when there
Speaker 1: are chronological or logistical limits. Yeah. I've been like that
Speaker 1: since I was little. What was the first time travel
Speaker 1: narrative back to the future the future? Which if they
Speaker 1: ever come to me and ask for my letterboxed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's up there, I'm saying forwards back to the future.
Speaker 1: You see me have to check that it was for
Speaker 1: Oh I would have had to check. We all have
Speaker 1: to check sometimes. Thank you for that. So Back to
Speaker 1: the Future is a great film nineteen eighty five released. Yes,
Speaker 1: who knew that they would know so much about how
Speaker 1: the future would go? Flying cars? Yes? Actually, what if
Speaker 1: you I've watched that movie, if you watch Back to
Speaker 1: the Future Part two again, it's actually kind of freaky
Speaker 1: because because what's his face as president is Biff turns
Speaker 1: into tru when then he becomes president the world's destitute.
Speaker 1: I'm like, tell me what you're like?
Speaker 2: How which was like, how do these people who make
Speaker 2: stories and make up fictional things sometimes they do know. Well,
Speaker 2: it's actually, you know, it's not that hard to think, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. All I keep thinking about these days
Speaker 2: is Final Fantasy vin. I'm like, how did they know?
Speaker 1: What happens in that?
Speaker 2: It's these people become eco terrorists because the government is
Speaker 2: literary corporation and that's what's happening now. Sorry, it's like
Speaker 2: our entire government is now being bought by private equity.
Speaker 2: In a sense, it's crazy, like the concept of like
Speaker 2: a national border is not going to be a thing
Speaker 2: very soon. It's like it's just going to be a
Speaker 2: big corporation. And that's literally the plot of Final Fantasy seven.
Speaker 2: This energy company called Shinra is sucking the light that
Speaker 2: the planet's life energy dry, and you are a band
Speaker 2: of eco terrorists trying to stop Shinra. But then you
Speaker 2: have to stop this insane super warrior named Sepharoth who
Speaker 2: wants to.
Speaker 1: Destroy the You've brought her up before.
Speaker 2: Well, because I told you that she was voiced by
Speaker 2: Lance Bass and Kingdom Hearts.
Speaker 1: Now, okay, are we saying she isn't like like referring
Speaker 1: to Sephrov as like a big, bad gay guy.
Speaker 2: No, Well, Sephroth could be read as queer for sure. Seriously,
Speaker 2: there's no like romantic interest, Like Seth is not romantic
Speaker 2: in a way. Sepharrov is like an ace kid. Do
Speaker 2: you think that if.
Speaker 1: They did Sepharrov's backstory and we find out that actually
Speaker 1: Cepharroth was queer and maybe it was not so easy
Speaker 1: growing up, that he would be a sympathetic character eventually
Speaker 1: gain sympathy for Sepharoz Oh, you understand, maybe you do.
Speaker 2: Have sympathy for Sepharath in the story, I will say,
Speaker 2: because he is. He starts out being this heroic warrior
Speaker 2: that cloud Strife idolizes and the whole world idolizes. Really
Speaker 2: it's Cephroth. He is a great, a warrior of great renown.
Speaker 2: But then he learns of his origins that he was
Speaker 2: created by having allegedly well it's it's so complicated, but
Speaker 2: he discovers that that he was quote unquote created by
Speaker 2: having the cells of this alien creature named Genova injected
Speaker 2: into this woman named Lucretia, and he has a psychotic
Speaker 2: breakdown because he's like, well, Genova is my mother, and
Speaker 2: I have to destroy the planet because it you know,
Speaker 2: Genova wants to it's so complicated, so.
Speaker 1: A lot about family lineage and what is expected of
Speaker 1: you clouding the judgment. Absolutely, Do you believe that if
Speaker 1: Sepharrov could have just been a normal gay guy that
Speaker 1: he would have been happier?
Speaker 2: I don't think Japanese so it's a Japanese game. Japanese
Speaker 2: culture has not fully grappled with queerness in the way
Speaker 2: that Western culture has. And that's not a knock on it.
Speaker 2: It's just I'm doing a lot of conjecture. No, I
Speaker 2: think you're asking such important questions, and I think it
Speaker 2: would be a better game if there was an explicit
Speaker 2: queer narrative put in.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is you think that if Japanese
Speaker 1: culture was only at the place that American culture is at,
Speaker 1: like if they had really grappled with queerness and they
Speaker 1: could have injected that into the story of Sepharov, that
Speaker 1: we as a world's culture could understand sephar Off more
Speaker 1: and therefore we might have more of a sympathy for him. Perhaps.
Speaker 2: And I will say, and I do want to walk
Speaker 2: back something and say that it's not that there's a
Speaker 2: notion of catching up that japan has to catch up
Speaker 2: to Western culture in terms of qoerness. In many ways,
Speaker 2: they've been pioneers. Of course, there's the Sailor Stars. There's
Speaker 2: a huge, very trenchant transnarrative in that. Oh it's this
Speaker 2: boy band. When they turn into the Sailor Stars, they
Speaker 2: turn into women.
Speaker 1: So we could learn from Japanese culture about how to
Speaker 1: always people always well, you think that we should do
Speaker 1: more like they do. And I would encourage you to
Speaker 1: go visit the nation of Japan. You know, I want
Speaker 1: to go. I know you do well. After you came
Speaker 1: back and had such a wonderful time, I thought, that's
Speaker 1: the next spot for me. I thought, let's go to Tokyo.
Speaker 1: What would you want to do in Tokyo?
Speaker 2: Mmm, I think you will have a very Stefani esque
Speaker 2: Gwen Stefani esque sort of journey there.
Speaker 1: You will visit Harrisha, I come back even more problematic,
Speaker 1: When have you ever been problematic? I ask this genuinely. Hmmm, truly,
Speaker 1: I'm like, when have I ever been problematic? Probably in
Speaker 1: the ways normal white gay men are, in the ways
Speaker 1: that everybody is. Yeah, but let's just say it like
Speaker 1: a problematic. It's like I think I'm not I don't want,
Speaker 1: I don't actually want to explore this. Well you brought
Speaker 1: it up. No, I'm do you try to burn me
Speaker 1: on this episode? Yes, what you did? You came in
Speaker 1: here and you said, I'm gonna get them. You once
Speaker 1: and for all. You've been so combat up, combat it
Speaker 1: even this.
Speaker 2: We had we had Microsoft teams meeting this morning, and
Speaker 2: Matt was in the middle of this. It was like
Speaker 2: twenty people and Matt was in the middle of this
Speaker 2: great run and I just wanted to quickly add something in.
Speaker 2: And then Matt, you know, in a very interesting way, said,
Speaker 2: don't that was you.
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking to you. Someone else was trying to tech. No,
Speaker 1: you were talking to me. No, it wasn't. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: I can't say the person's name, but someone someone there
Speaker 1: was like and I felt them do that, and that
Speaker 1: was what that was? What was the word choice exactly?
Speaker 1: It was, don't do this, let me finish? It was
Speaker 1: I think it was I think I think what I
Speaker 1: said to this other person was just one second, just
Speaker 1: one second? Is really charged?
Speaker 2: Just one second? I wasn't when you know it's not
Speaker 2: going to be just one second?
Speaker 1: Excuse me? What was it? Six seconds? First of all.
Speaker 1: Now it wasn't you that I was doing about too.
Speaker 1: But now I'm pissed you tried to cut me off
Speaker 1: through Microsoft Teams meeting.
Speaker 2: First of all, well that's this is my I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey. Oh what oh no, no, not you.
Speaker 2: It's just just the platform, Microsoft Teams. I don't understand. No,
Speaker 2: we need to save it.
Speaker 1: It is. Actually I came in with this in the pocket.
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you did. I didn't have anything today.
Speaker 1: Life's been so good, everything's been great. You look great
Speaker 1: in this cardion. By the way, thank you. This is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. It's from Corridor. I love Corridor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really like them. They're really good. Oh look but
Speaker 1: I've buttoned it incorrectly. That's okay, you know that that
Speaker 1: horrible feeling. No, it looks even. It's good. It's even.
Speaker 2: You know what Qurridor is good at everything, knits, sweaters.
Speaker 1: Sweaters, flannels. Gay and straight can wear, yes can. In fact,
Speaker 1: sometimes you go in there and I can only describe
Speaker 1: the atmosphere from people that work there as gay or
Speaker 1: super friendly, great guys, And you leave being like all right,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah I do leave Qurridor thinking God, I mean,
Speaker 1: if we could all just come together at corridor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know who's a straight guy that I Actually it's
Speaker 1: worked on me. You know what I'm gonna say, Remind
Speaker 1: me Dylan Efron from The Traders. Oh, we love Dylan.
Speaker 1: I love the vibe. I love the vibe. It's just
Speaker 1: a sweet boy. You see that one picture that floating
Speaker 1: around online about him with his booty in the air. Oh, yes, sure,
Speaker 1: we should literally put it up on the back wall
Speaker 1: and just like have that be the thing for lost co.
Speaker 1: Can you look up Dylan Efron booty. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: the airwife you're google search history later, Dylan Efron asks
Speaker 1: in air he's in like the water or something. You
Speaker 1: gotta look at it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen this picture. It's very Tate mc cray coded,
Speaker 2: very Tate m cray coded. I'm excited to truly finally
Speaker 2: see what she looks like Tate Tate, because you know,
Speaker 2: on Iconic four hundred we were singing her braces. But
Speaker 2: my bit back then was she's just moving around so much.
Speaker 2: Still want to see your beautiful face. You want to
Speaker 2: see a beautiful face. And of course this is all
Speaker 2: in jest. We love Tate and she's a beautiful girl,
Speaker 2: and she does have a history of sitting still and
Speaker 2: being still.
Speaker 1: We're about to we're about to have a conversation with her. Yes,
Speaker 1: sing a little song for us, Sam McCray hands, This
Speaker 1: is a bop. It's a great song. How you doing
Speaker 1: over there with that gay search? What do you think?
Speaker 1: All right? Now put it up here. Now, I know
Speaker 1: it has to be a certain frame rate or something.
Speaker 1: We're gonna look at this. Whatever it is. Frame rate.
Speaker 1: You can't get it up here. You can't get it
Speaker 1: up it's on the drive. Then bring your computer over here.
Speaker 1: We'll just show it to the camera. Show it to
Speaker 1: the camera. Okay, So this is the picture. This is
Speaker 1: a sort of famous picture of Dylan Efron. Now I'm
Speaker 1: going to zoom in George. All right, so this is
Speaker 1: what we're giving. This is good stuff. And now why
Speaker 1: would that man do that if he wasn't trying to tease?
Speaker 1: And I'm okay with it and bait a little well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he looks like a skilled, skilled boy.
Speaker 1: This is back arch culture. I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: great picture. This is an amazing photo.
Speaker 2: There's such a confidence in that pose, yeah, that it
Speaker 2: makes you wonder and I And it's not like a
Speaker 2: This is not a panic situation.
Speaker 1: It's just like embrace it. The eyes are locked on
Speaker 1: the camera to the national The eyes are national geographic eys.
Speaker 1: You can only describe this as Tate McCray coated, of course,
Speaker 1: it's actually real culture number ninety. You can only describe
Speaker 1: as Tate McCray coated. Yeah, okay, thank you, Doug. We'll
Speaker 1: return the laptop. I'm not ready to give it up.
Speaker 1: Oh give it great. By the way, there was that
Speaker 1: one scene of he comes over to take it. I
Speaker 1: say no, No. There was that one scene of Dylan
Speaker 1: Efron and Tom Sanderval walking up when they were in
Speaker 1: like when they were a couple. Yeah. Spoiler alert for traders.
Speaker 2: There's a duo challenge and Tom Sandaval and Dylan in
Speaker 2: front are a duo in the challenge.
Speaker 1: And they're like a married couple. They're both dressed up
Speaker 1: and got you. It worked on me, unfortunately, the redemption
Speaker 1: of Tom Sanderval. No, there's no redemption. There's no light
Speaker 1: in that man's nose. The redemption is not working on me.
Speaker 1: I'm still oh please about Tom, But I will say
Speaker 1: when I watched him and Dylan e Fron walk down
Speaker 1: the aisle together.
Speaker 2: I had thoughts, well, that was just the idea of
Speaker 2: two men walking down the all of.
Speaker 1: The am I that horny?
Speaker 2: No, I've been okay, I'm about to get vulnerable.
Speaker 1: That's what I've been wanting from it. It's not this
Speaker 1: is the vulnerability the judges have been looking for, But
Speaker 1: this is maybe what you're getting out does Sometimes I
Speaker 1: can just kind of get there by just thinking about
Speaker 1: the idea of two men kissing. I will say this
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yes, I would rather watch men make
Speaker 1: out than do anything else. Well, all this other stuff
Speaker 1: that they're doing on each other, then go to war.
Speaker 1: Can I say I agree with you. I'd so much
Speaker 1: rather watch men kiss than go to war.
Speaker 2: Whoever did that mural in Berlin of whatever was it,
Speaker 2: like Henry Kissinger and No Gorbachev making out or whatever?
Speaker 1: That Berlin mural is just done that. They should have
Speaker 1: just done that. Can I say something about these warmongers?
Speaker 1: They would love get sex like it's so fun and
Speaker 1: once you get over the hill of like the pain
Speaker 1: or whatever, like you're gonna love the way you look.
Speaker 2: I guarante, I guarantee you this is my thing not
Speaker 2: to talk about the gender binary too much, but I think,
Speaker 2: of course never we were talking. I was asking about
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts last night during the Super Bowl, and one
Speaker 2: of our friends there was saying how he has like
Speaker 2: an all female team basically love that manager, publicist whatever,
Speaker 2: all women, and like he was asked about that and
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, I was raised by a strong mother,
Speaker 2: and women are just better at their jobs and they're
Speaker 2: just better people. And I was like, see, this is
Speaker 2: the thing, and I thought, oh, sure, like because an
Speaker 2: all male team would be like just all so much energy,
Speaker 2: so much like pent up something where I'm like, I
Speaker 2: mean not to say gay guys don't have their problems,
Speaker 2: but you are. There is a nice release of the valve. Well,
Speaker 2: they're constantly releasing valves. Yeah, not even necessarily on the weekends.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. My gay guys
Speaker 2: or straight guys, can I say I released.
Speaker 1: The valve on Friday day? That's great. My new thing
Speaker 1: is I love a daytime, weekday hookup. And I understand
Speaker 1: a lot of that's they're nine to fives. But for
Speaker 1: those who have an alternative schedule talking to all my
Speaker 1: gay podcasters out there. Daytime hookup is actually so good
Speaker 1: because you have a lot of energy. Yeah, you haven't
Speaker 1: eaten a lot yet that day, right or at all?
Speaker 1: And I just like cooking up when I can see
Speaker 1: the daylight, when you can go to a show. After
Speaker 1: hooked up the other day, me and the guy when
Speaker 1: got a sandwich? What? I just pitched it. What sandwich?
Speaker 1: Did you get? Such a good sandwich? Actually, this part
Speaker 1: I can be specific about. It was an insane It
Speaker 1: was like a spicy pesto chicken sandwich that you could
Speaker 1: never eat before you bottom during the day, but post
Speaker 1: bottoming during the day. Roll up your sleeves. We're eating
Speaker 1: spicy chicken. We're eating and fisting you. I didn't like
Speaker 1: that language at all to the elbow. But were we
Speaker 1: talking about that that came out? No, we were talking
Speaker 1: about Oh, we were talking about someone we found someone
Speaker 1: loves someone, we found out likes to be have this
Speaker 1: sexual activity. It's on their menu, which is fisting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I kind of just said but madd really dropped
Speaker 1: into a character and he was like and he just
Speaker 1: really he like mined it. I think we went we
Speaker 1: were like a glove because they were talking about how
Speaker 1: fisting begins right where.
Speaker 2: It's like, you can't have to go with with fingers
Speaker 2: like this. It's gotta be like Italian hands, like when
Speaker 2: you hold a pen, right, this is how you hold
Speaker 2: a pen.
Speaker 1: No, I hold a pen weird, you see me? Right?
Speaker 1: I have smudges all over this part of my hand
Speaker 1: when I write thoughts on this. I'm a writer who
Speaker 1: writes like a lefty. That's why.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of great writers hold their pen in
Speaker 2: a fucked up way, like yourself, Sylvia Plath, Sylvia Plath,
Speaker 2: isn't it so curious anytime there's like a great artist
Speaker 2: who like holds their pen like this, I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's why I.
Speaker 1: Loved the way you said. Isn't it so curious? Like
Speaker 1: it's just the way you tossed that, Isn't it so curious?
Speaker 1: Any good documentaries lately? You know what I just watched?
Speaker 1: He Yeah, we haven't really talked about Peacock. Thank you, Peacock.
Speaker 1: The only people saying the truth, Yes, people with journalistic integrity.
Speaker 1: These days, it's only Peacock out there saying the truth.
Speaker 1: It's only Peacock out there saying that this is a
Speaker 1: coup this is the coup. They're not saying that. People
Speaker 1: really aren't saying. People aren't saying it. Like did you
Speaker 1: see that crazy as interview that Christine Nome did. By
Speaker 1: the way, Christineome, I believe, I forget what's coming about.
Speaker 1: But she's she's she's she's security, she's Homeland Security.
Speaker 2: She's the one who shot her dog because it was
Speaker 2: annoying and then gotten glammed before the ice raids in
Speaker 2: New York. Yeah, so she was I think with Dana
Speaker 2: Bash on CMN being like, we can't trust the government,
Speaker 2: And Dana Bash was like, you are the government.
Speaker 1: Can't trust the government, Like, what are they going to
Speaker 1: say now that they can't say the problem? The fault
Speaker 1: is entirely with the.
Speaker 2: That's them saying we are just here to dismantle right
Speaker 2: right right right?
Speaker 1: What I mean? Okay? Cool? But it's like, but then, like,
Speaker 1: where does that authority come from? Anyway? You know what
Speaker 1: I love about all this? It's making eggs cheaper. You're
Speaker 1: not to live about all these executive orders like totally
Speaker 1: changing the.
Speaker 2: Price of milk and thank god, the ten trans athletes
Speaker 2: in the United States can no longer compete.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about and you know progressive media
Speaker 1: is falling apart too.
Speaker 2: You were telling me about this drama between the young Turks. Oh,
Speaker 2: the young Turks is in shambles. Well it's oh god,
Speaker 2: it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Like just to watch them make like a right word swing,
Speaker 1: to watch a on like Jillian Michaels' podcast, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Jillian Michaels is out is out here with the right
Speaker 1: wing podcast. This is my impression of Jillian Michaels on
Speaker 1: her podcast. Yeah, yeah, biggest loser Jillian Michaels. Yes, she
Speaker 1: opposite direction us Bob Harper. Bob Harper went to the
Speaker 1: Truth and the Light, which is Peacock the Traders. Jillian
Speaker 1: went swinging right podcast? What was? How did we get
Speaker 1: on this? I don't know how we've gotten on a
Speaker 1: single thing we've talked about today. It's been one of
Speaker 1: the documentaries. Oh we didn't talk about Didty. We haven't
Speaker 1: talked about Ditty on this podcast, and do we have to?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? Maybe we don't. What's the papists? But the thing, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I think we can say about Ditty.
Speaker 1: When you really look back at like making the band,
Speaker 1: and you really look back at all of the media
Speaker 1: that we have of him pretty much everything. It's kind
Speaker 1: of shocking that no question was asked about the way
Speaker 1: he treated anyone in his orbit, because it was an
Speaker 1: exclusively abusive and totalitarian but his version of he's an
Speaker 1: abusive narcissist, which might feel like it's a redundant thing,
Speaker 1: but it's like he was always very good at the image.
Speaker 2: And of course, if you watch any isolated episode of
Speaker 2: making the band, you're like, fuck, that's a monster. But
Speaker 2: then like after this club shooting that Jalo was that,
Speaker 2: it's like that's so that's another crazy thing. After that
Speaker 2: club shooting, and after he was acquitted because he had
Speaker 2: fucking Johnny Cochran on the horn, like, yeah, he really
Speaker 2: like cleaned up the He like took years off, cleaned
Speaker 2: up the pr changed his name to Diddy from puff Daddy.
Speaker 2: Like he was always really good at like shifting the perception.
Speaker 2: And you know, and even when even last year when
Speaker 2: like you know, Cassie filed the complaint in the and
Speaker 2: the civil suit, like he was denied tony, deny, and
Speaker 2: then the video came out of him in the towel
Speaker 2: like chasing after her and beating the shit out of
Speaker 2: her when that video came out, he goes on live
Speaker 2: or he just releases some front facing video being like that,
Speaker 2: take full response, takes full responsibility.
Speaker 1: I've listened to a lot of podcasts about narcissists in
Speaker 1: the past couple of years and just trying to understand
Speaker 1: this behavior, and it's anything they can do in a
Speaker 1: moment to get to shirk responsibility or to to just
Speaker 1: like another tactic is I'm going to say out loud
Speaker 1: the thing that's wrong about myself so that I can
Speaker 1: claim it as a victim narrative and no one can
Speaker 1: say it about me. Right Like these people when they're
Speaker 1: put into a corner. It's not always the Trump thing
Speaker 1: of like you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. There's other
Speaker 1: also another narcissistic tactic, which is I'm going to make
Speaker 1: myself seem like such a pathetic victim and like say
Speaker 1: all this stuff about myself so that actually everyone else
Speaker 1: is rendered speechless because I've already said it. They have
Speaker 1: no intent on actually changing, but they need everyone to
Speaker 1: know that they're aware, because wouldn't it be crazy if
Speaker 1: they weren't. That's like another tactic that you see.
Speaker 2: I I was going to connect a Dot to housewives,
Speaker 2: but it see, oh yeah, it's giving that right.
Speaker 1: I think that it's insane to compare her to Diddy. No,
Speaker 1: I mean no, but I do think like I actually
Speaker 1: I have felt pretty triggered because you see all these
Speaker 1: like narcissists getting away with everything. It's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but you watch the super Bowl the other night. Trump
Speaker 1: comes out to all of this applause and all of
Speaker 1: this fanfare while the world gets expeditiously worse by the second.
Speaker 1: And then you watch like all the commercials and it's
Speaker 1: like Casey afflecks back in a super Bowl commercial and
Speaker 1: like Tom Cruise is still Tom Cruise, Like he's not
Speaker 1: the figurehead of a cult, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like it's very frustrating. And then I turned to
Speaker 1: the room and I was like, this is kind of crazy, right,
Speaker 1: and someone was like, straight, white men are back, They're back.
Speaker 1: And then there was that bud Light commercial. The over
Speaker 1: correction there is wild, right, It's a lot. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we really are making a big pivot back to like
Speaker 1: not just a conservative mindset, but like a truly like
Speaker 1: fuck off to anyone that's tried to make us feel
Speaker 1: badly for being who we are, a straight white men.
Speaker 1: It's like that wasn't even what happened. All we wanted
Speaker 1: was like for there to be some accountability about the
Speaker 1: pain that's been caused by a straight white man only
Speaker 1: ideology for this long. Like they're just upset that people
Speaker 1: have a voice now, and so it's like that was
Speaker 1: one thing, but then it was like when media included
Speaker 1: people and tried to make everyone feel included in like
Speaker 1: a you know, consumerist way, that's when they really had
Speaker 1: had enough. Sure, yeah, like you can't be in our
Speaker 1: bud Light commercials? Yeah not bud Light. Right, Well they're back.
Speaker 1: So they're back. So what happens now to last coach?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't tell.
Speaker 2: I think Jillian Michaels is third co host vibes, Yeah
Speaker 2: we do and tear. We absolutely slay the house down
Speaker 2: Boots with Megan Carelly.
Speaker 1: The Red Scare Girls were on Megan Kelly. Oh great.
Speaker 1: They were having martinis and talking about the election. What
Speaker 1: kind of martinis? I wonder, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: they were having martini's. I think that was the part
Speaker 1: of it by that I pulled. I was like, are
Speaker 1: they fucking drinking martinis and talking about the end of
Speaker 1: the world. Anyways, what part of you was afraid right now? Oh?
Speaker 1: A huge part? Yeah, yeah, I mean right now in
Speaker 1: even talking about all this and talking about it right
Speaker 1: now essentially, I just mean like when you get on
Speaker 1: the mic and talk about this types of stuff, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think like, no one's gonna like come knocking on our
Speaker 2: door because it's like they're not worried about.
Speaker 1: Us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: They were never worried about us, And We've never been
Speaker 2: like warriors in that sense.
Speaker 1: I've never been a warrior. I'm a gay guy that
Speaker 1: likes to like have text during the day totally. But
Speaker 1: when are they going to come for us with that?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: But that's the like gay guys who have sex during
Speaker 2: the day literally don't threaten anything about like it doesn't
Speaker 2: concern them at all, So like there's no need. But
Speaker 2: they're gonna want to come for that, but like there's
Speaker 2: no need to, you know what I mean. I think
Speaker 2: it's because they haven't done it yet. I'm telling you
Speaker 2: the other day, like I had such incredible sex during
Speaker 2: the day with a gay guy and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the key This is like the key yea
Speaker 2: for people to just understand, like, while you're out here
Speaker 2: wreaking havoc from a government's perspective, you could be getting
Speaker 2: it from behind on the floor during the day. That's
Speaker 2: how you know it's real. I'm just saying, hardwood, okay, carpeted.
Speaker 1: Took the took the comforter off the bed, through it
Speaker 1: on the ground and pointed to the floor. You did that, No,
Speaker 1: he did that. I said, this is exactly right, Kennel Vibe.
Speaker 1: I even said, I know that's right out loud. Can
Speaker 1: you if after every position changed during gay sex? I
Speaker 1: know that's right. Me on the floor, I know that's right.
Speaker 1: Me getting into the butt.
Speaker 2: I know that's right, me opening the door to trade
Speaker 2: coming in. We don't have a minute to spare.
Speaker 1: Don't bring her into this. Sometimes this podcast is just
Speaker 1: for me and you in a way where I'm like,
Speaker 1: how are people listening to it? And then so many
Speaker 1: people do, because there's gonna be people that exactly know
Speaker 1: the reference when you say we don't have a minute
Speaker 1: to spare, and the people know that reference in part
Speaker 1: because of you. I'm not giving any I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like you introduced me to brook ash I spotlight the
Speaker 1: right people. Oh and I am a faithful brick Ashley
Speaker 1: watcher every episode, every episode I have been. I have
Speaker 1: had a harder time sitting through the live reactions to
Speaker 1: all the Housewives episodes that she's had because they tend
Speaker 1: to be long. There's a long time, and you got
Speaker 1: a lot you have to get with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And I think she's a very talented editor. I think
Speaker 1: she's very good at just cutting together a nice forty
Speaker 1: minute recap. You know, speaking of Housewives recaps, I have
Speaker 1: a very bad feeling about your girl, Stacy Rush at
Speaker 1: the Potomac reunion. Explain, did you see the preview for it?
Speaker 1: I saw the preview that they played at the finale,
Speaker 1: but no, it is alleged that she paid TJ also
Speaker 1: Es Yeah, to be her boyfriend. I've heard, and that
Speaker 1: he finally is like, she hasn't paid me. I'm not
Speaker 1: coming to the fucking reunion. It was all fake. How
Speaker 1: are you going to deal with that? If it's true,
Speaker 1: which it looks like. I think that's iconic. Stacy Rush
Speaker 1: is a perfect housewife.
Speaker 2: They've even said in the Vulture recaps that she is
Speaker 2: an alpha. Oh no, I'm sorry, she's an apex predator
Speaker 2: house in the making. The way she came, she went
Speaker 2: after Karen Angisel by the end of the season, I
Speaker 2: know that's right, But put the comforter on the floor
Speaker 2: because I know that's I'm taking. I'm taking in the
Speaker 2: butt from that from Stacy Rush. She is the most
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: lookism thing. It's like, she's so beautiful that I don't
Speaker 2: care what she does.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so you you don't care if it comes
Speaker 1: to light that she paid this actor?
Speaker 2: Is that the worst thing anyone can do? By the way,
Speaker 2: that's not a morally wrong thing. It's explicitly not real
Speaker 2: your reality.
Speaker 1: But is that not a new I love watching you
Speaker 1: swim upstream. I'm not swimming upstream. I I think you'll
Speaker 1: agree with me. Is that like new achievement unlocked? Like
Speaker 1: we have not seen a housewife do that. That's an
Speaker 1: iconic novel housewife behavior paying for some random insane man
Speaker 1: because he is crazy. That's the other thing is his
Speaker 1: behavior now that we know it's probably fake, his behavior
Speaker 1: is like even wilder because like, did he think he
Speaker 1: was gonna book as a result of this on camera activity.
Speaker 2: You look wacko, sir, you're a wacko jacko and he
Speaker 2: and is that not amazing for a house to do?
Speaker 1: Sally? Yes, But he comes in on fifteen out of
Speaker 1: time with aj her her friend. Yes. Yes, And then
Speaker 1: he was like, she doesn't want a problem, and so
Speaker 1: neither of us are a problem, and I have a problem.
Speaker 1: And then he drags her away and she's like, you're
Speaker 1: you're giving a lot of energy, You're alive. And he
Speaker 1: was like, I just wanted some time with you. I
Speaker 1: want a time with you. He is, he looks so
Speaker 1: beautiful and I'm so happy to be here. It's like
Speaker 1: so clear that it's safe when you look back. But
Speaker 1: it's like she got more than she bargained for. You
Speaker 1: got more than she bargained for. But that is a
Speaker 1: new that's something. And I'm being genuine here. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not like being gymnastic about this. It's like she
Speaker 1: is so interesting. Can I tell you what I think
Speaker 1: is gonna happen? Yes, I think Robin's coming back, and
Speaker 1: I'm not mad about it. I keep taking these ls.
Speaker 1: Do you look at it as an L? Yes, she's
Speaker 1: bad on TV. No, I don't think she is. I
Speaker 1: actually liked Robin on Traders on Traders. Sure, I'm willing,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm willing to burn this with Robin. Really, why
Speaker 1: won't you burn it? Where was that from? Again? That's
Speaker 1: set Lake City? Why won't you burn it? Lisa? Why
Speaker 1: won't you burn it?
Speaker 2: She comes over to the other couch, burn it, burnet,
Speaker 2: burn it. No, I was ready to burn it with Gizzelle,
Speaker 2: and then she got went ahead and showed her ass.
Speaker 2: She made it too personally redeemable. I'm sorry, I would.
Speaker 1: Say, Gizelle, it's a note. I'm interested in Robin Dixon. Listen.
Speaker 1: I think it will be interesting to have her come
Speaker 1: back in light of all the Karen stuff, especially if
Speaker 1: Karen is going to jail. Do you think she's gonna
Speaker 1: go to There's a high chance there's a Nazi. There's
Speaker 1: not even a non zero chanceship. It's a definition. There
Speaker 1: is a definition and the words of Madam Warrible. Definition
Speaker 1: chance is my favorite thing. You said it twice a day,
Speaker 1: at least in front of me. There is a definition chance.
Speaker 1: If you work as you should, you be ma. That
Speaker 1: is literally my message to Robin there's a definie chance
Speaker 1: if you work as you should, you'll be making good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think Robin, this is the thing. You kind
Speaker 1: of have to look back at the whole thing with
Speaker 1: different eyes now that we found out that there's the
Speaker 1: stuff is Karen is so deep and dark. But what
Speaker 1: does that have to do with Robin. Robin was always
Speaker 1: on Karen's ass, right, and Karen acts like and I
Speaker 1: love Karen Hughes, We love Karen hu but she's acted
Speaker 1: like bigger and better than all of it for such
Speaker 1: a long time, right, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: looming there's this like darkness, which you know she wasn't well,
Speaker 1: she's she's always been so obsessed with the etiquette and
Speaker 1: what's what's potomac and what's not potomac. Etiquette obsession is
Speaker 1: so funny to me.
Speaker 2: Well it's it does belie lie this thing that she
Speaker 2: has nothing figured out in her life, that like Ray
Speaker 2: never fucking paid his taxes or whatever, and like there
Speaker 2: was a man another man with her in the car
Speaker 2: that night.
Speaker 1: Do we believe that that's true? I think that might
Speaker 1: be true.
Speaker 2: But this is all, this is all you know, we
Speaker 2: need Wendy Williams more than ever.
Speaker 1: So apparently she's she's done that interview where she where
Speaker 1: people are like, she sounds normal. I think that's a
Speaker 1: hard thing to say. It's hard to anyone in any
Speaker 1: like because she also has a diagnosis. So it's like
Speaker 1: people that struggle with you know, any sort of I
Speaker 1: don't even know how it comes. Maybe a bit of
Speaker 1: like situation. You're gonna have good days and bad days.
Speaker 1: So I get the entire internet being like, see, look
Speaker 1: she's fine. It's like, I don't know, she's got a
Speaker 1: diagnosis from a doctor. We've also seen her be very
Speaker 1: not fine. Right, So I think people should continue to
Speaker 1: let the nationals weigh in on what Wendy should or
Speaker 1: should not be doing.
Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. By the way, I'm a doctor.
Speaker 2: Well I presented something. Now laugh Jordan Doug, are you
Speaker 2: got y'all laughing? He laughed at me when I said
Speaker 2: I was a doctor. I have four degrees.
Speaker 1: I only have one degree. I know.
Speaker 2: I had a census worker call me and she for
Speaker 2: some reason the way she said, and you have one
Speaker 2: bachelor's degree, yes, And I said, uh huh. For some reason,
Speaker 2: it sounded like a dick and.
Speaker 1: You have me. Look here. Oh it's easy to count
Speaker 1: because it's just one bachelor's degree. It's easy. It's a
Speaker 1: Bachelor of Arts in chemistry. That's interesting for n y u. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that makes sense. So one bachelor's of Arts in chemistry,
Speaker 1: it says here, just looking at your extra crict danger
Speaker 1: box improv very good fun improv group. That's very good
Speaker 1: fun improv group. Okay, okay, So yep, I guess I've
Speaker 1: heard all I need to hear as the census hangs
Speaker 1: up the phone. One idiot, useless, idiot, waste of money
Speaker 1: bag gay guy that I call a fagot. Where are
Speaker 1: we on the word fagot because I'm embracing it, as
Speaker 1: you can see, I've used it several times.
Speaker 2: Is it a thing where our friends over at Stradio
Speaker 2: Lab have said reclaiming an insult is, which I don't
Speaker 2: think fagot applies.
Speaker 1: They'll say hanging Aboustralia Lab. They'll say anything. They just
Speaker 1: want to clicks. No, you can never be lost college period.
Speaker 2: Well, I predict a rise in that slur being used
Speaker 2: just in a more general.
Speaker 1: Certainly certainly well, straight white men being so back right.
Speaker 1: I've read that's your bottom dollar that you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: the word faggot. I hear it's happening in the Austin
Speaker 1: comedy scene a lot. I keep on the ground, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and tell him me to go to oil Can Harry's.
Speaker 1: And you know, you can call someone a faggot if
Speaker 1: you've if you've had an anal fisher. I wouldn't wish
Speaker 1: that on anybody.
Speaker 2: If you've experienced anal pain in such a crazy apocalyptic way,
Speaker 2: like every gay man has, you can use that word.
Speaker 1: Remember yesterday what I went to the bathroom to pee,
Speaker 1: came out of the bathroom and I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: because I had like a sudden, insane pain in my butthole.
Speaker 1: You remember that. Yeah, I am the transparent one on
Speaker 1: this show. I'm transparent. Say something transparent. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I am. I shave. I shave.
Speaker 2: I did a full pube shave for the first time
Speaker 2: in months because a man asked you to no, because
Speaker 2: I was like, it's I'm getting I gotta whack the weeds.
Speaker 1: Imagine a man like rolling over and being like that
Speaker 1: was great. Next time. I just for me. My preference
Speaker 1: is that you shave everything. Kiss me so good. Babe, Oh,
Speaker 1: do you like to be a little spoon or big spoon? Nice?
Speaker 1: I like to be big. I say, feel good? Feel good?
Speaker 1: You feel even better? Hairless spooning or how do we feel?
Speaker 1: It's always good for five to ten minutes? And five
Speaker 1: and ten seems like a liberal sort of allotment of time,
Speaker 1: because you know what happens when you spook Okay, this
Speaker 1: is arms arms go. No, this is unfortunately what happens
Speaker 1: when spooning works too well. Oh, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: reveal this and the person that this is about listens
Speaker 1: to this podcast. I'm just gonna know. And no one
Speaker 1: acknowledged this when it happened, but I am acknowledging it now.
Speaker 1: So I hook up with someone while I'm on tour.
Speaker 1: I know this person. Well yeah, so we've sort of
Speaker 1: have like a like a friend slash sex relationship and
Speaker 1: have sex great, wonderful, and then afterwards he's big spoon.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. And it actually was good big spoon where
Speaker 1: you actually could sleep like that really, but unfortunately it
Speaker 1: was just good. We just like had good but bed
Speaker 1: kem it was. We're gonna come on the podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: so serious. It's but it's you're saying it's it was
Speaker 1: good puzzle pieces. It was really good puzzle pieces we had.
Speaker 1: And I was feeling like, oh, I actually could fall
Speaker 1: asleep with this lovely no risk of any relationship here,
Speaker 1: he's in a relationship, et cetera. So I go into
Speaker 1: that dream state of like where you're like half asleep,
Speaker 1: half whatever, and when you're being held like that, and
Speaker 1: you have sense memory to a time when being held
Speaker 1: like that you were in a relationship. I half asleep.
Speaker 1: He shifted a little bit and I kind of went
Speaker 1: back and I kissed him, and I said I love you,
Speaker 1: and I felt this isn't a stupor, like was it
Speaker 1: a stuper Yeah? And I literally I'm not in love
Speaker 1: with this person. I don't. I do love this person.
Speaker 1: I care for them sex, but I don't. The way
Speaker 1: I understand is because I was somewhere else. I think
Speaker 1: I honestly got triggered to a time when I was
Speaker 1: in love with a man that held me. And and
Speaker 1: so I go, love you, I love you. It's fully
Speaker 1: three words, because love you is different than I love you.
Speaker 1: I fully say I love you. I feel him go, look,
Speaker 1: I feel it kind of like a shift and then
Speaker 1: I lay down and now I'm like wide awake because
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fuck, like I just like that woke
Speaker 1: you up? Or the shift book. It was like the
Speaker 1: shift and then I love you and then his like
Speaker 1: little like moment. I could have gone right back to
Speaker 1: bed because I was in half ram but I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I just said I love you to the sky.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so bad. And I just played dead and
Speaker 1: then it was fine and we never talked about it
Speaker 1: until now and I so you said, this is the
Speaker 1: first time you bringing up after it, after the after
Speaker 1: I almost said something right in the moment, but I thought,
Speaker 1: like I almost because like you know, when twenty seconds
Speaker 1: passed and then twenty five, and then I could have
Speaker 1: just been like, hey, I said I love you. I
Speaker 1: don't mean it, I do, but like you know, and
Speaker 1: he would have been like, it's I think windows is
Speaker 1: always open. I mean it's out there and it's out
Speaker 1: there now the windows so okay. So and he listens,
Speaker 1: and you think, religiously he will okay, he will receive that.
Speaker 1: I will receive a DM. That's great, and I think
Speaker 1: it's great unless he doesn't remember, which that's also fine.
Speaker 1: But I guess now he's being reminded, I don't love
Speaker 1: any of you that I fuck once. Can I just say, like,
Speaker 1: that's not like I think. The earliest I've said it
Speaker 1: is after three.
Speaker 2: Three times, after three times, that was that, that was
Speaker 2: the soonest you had said I loved it, I love you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but three times this person, Yes, I've had sex
Speaker 1: with like three or four times. So then you but
Speaker 1: it was a mistake. I've said I love you one
Speaker 1: time for real, which was a horrible mistake that I
Speaker 1: made after like after three times once and it was
Speaker 1: it was too soon. But you live. You learn, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you learn. Well, thanks for sharing that.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm the transparent one. I don't well,
Speaker 2: you know, you're the combative one. You're the combative one,
Speaker 2: is what you are, and so you wield.
Speaker 1: I am the heart of this podcast. Yeah, absolutely, you
Speaker 1: are the soul. I don't know about that. What are you?
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm giving. I really don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm giving. I love this topic, I love this
Speaker 1: What do you mean you don't know what you're giving?
Speaker 2: I'm back, you know what it is. I'm back in
Speaker 2: a moment of like it's just okay. One thing, onto
Speaker 2: the next, onto the next. I've done the four cross
Speaker 2: country flights in two weeks. I literally barely know where
Speaker 2: I am. This is dark echoes of like the hard
Speaker 2: moments of shooting.
Speaker 1: You actually feel that way a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm like, I don't think I've ever been funny
Speaker 2: or I've ever been like it's like it's no, and
Speaker 2: I know you're rolling your eyes, and but this is
Speaker 2: the thing that just like anyone who like works professionally
Speaker 2: in comedy like feels. It's a universal feeling and so like,
Speaker 2: that's not I'm not like hard on myself.
Speaker 1: And you can draw the line to fatigue.
Speaker 2: Yes, but again, so uninteresting to talk about that on
Speaker 2: this podcast. And I really have tried not to talk
Speaker 2: about this. I don't think it's uninteresting at all, but
Speaker 2: I talk. There was a moment on the podcast where
Speaker 2: I was talking about it a lot, and people were like, oh,
Speaker 2: being tired, being tired.
Speaker 1: But that's different than like, my perception of myself is
Speaker 1: in the flux, and it affected because I am so busy,
Speaker 1: which you could draw a line to success and but
Speaker 1: but that is like it's getting fuzzy for you, and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't connect it to success at all.
Speaker 1: But the reason why you're traveling so much is because That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, is because there's just things to be
Speaker 2: at for the next couple of months.
Speaker 1: Right, when will that end? April? April is when?
Speaker 2: Like April's when like the award stuff is done, and
Speaker 2: like I'm backing to regular schedule it us and now
Speaker 2: like that's so the Oscars isn't like the finish line
Speaker 2: for I think Oscars is the finish up. And then
Speaker 2: after Oscars, like there's more stuff you and I might
Speaker 2: have to talk about a trip. Oh right, yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's fun, that's fun. It just but right now my
Speaker 2: brain is only registering it. It's like another place to
Speaker 2: be at.
Speaker 1: We'll reframe that later totally, but I want to go
Speaker 1: to Berlin.
Speaker 2: I'm still coasting on the Japan trip, Like I'm still
Speaker 2: like in such a positive thing, such a positive.
Speaker 1: Thing, and like I will hold on too that for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Like a friend was asking
Speaker 1: me about it the other night, and I just like
Speaker 1: even just in recounting and I just got emotional again
Speaker 1: just talking about the Pokemon plane and talking about the
Speaker 1: food I ate and all these things and the wrestling,
Speaker 1: the new Japan Pro Wrestling, Oh my god. And then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with you to the Academy Awards. Do
Speaker 1: you think that we'll have like pretty good seats? I
Speaker 1: mean I hope so I tell also, what doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be. You took our best sie Jared
Speaker 1: to the Critics' Choice Awards and if you if you know,
Speaker 1: you know, he was in the front.
Speaker 2: We were front and center, aligned with the microphone.
Speaker 1: It was unreal. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: We got to meet the whole substance team, the producers
Speaker 2: who tell them what they said they listened to the episode.
Speaker 2: I think maybe the pot I mean like publicists are
Speaker 2: out in full force, literally in the in the professional
Speaker 2: sense and in the last culture sense. Like I mean,
Speaker 2: it was very nice to connect with some of you,
Speaker 2: a lot, all of you really like. It's fun. Like
Speaker 2: we're all just talking about movies that we like. That's
Speaker 2: just that's just what it is.
Speaker 1: All we wanted was to me more on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but we don't think it can work. You don't think
Speaker 1: it can work. But we got to meet Coraly. That's
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 2: Got to meet Margaret and Jack and.
Speaker 1: Margaret and Jack doesn't get bigger than.
Speaker 2: That for me, ultimates and it was so fun. You
Speaker 2: know who was connecting with Jared? Who with Cynthia.
Speaker 1: I heard about this.
Speaker 2: Cynthia and Jared were connecting a lot because any time
Speaker 2: they would roll the nominees packages. These are two people
Speaker 2: who have the same media died apparently because they'd be like,
Speaker 2: I love that show, or that was an amazing short,
Speaker 2: Oh that documentary wasn't like they like, these are just
Speaker 2: two people who've seen everything.
Speaker 1: Jared told me that he was like, Sing Sing my
Speaker 1: favorite movie of the year, and that Cynthia went, sing
Speaker 1: Sing is my favorite movie of the year. It's absolutely
Speaker 1: my favorite movie of the year.
Speaker 2: Really good in Cynthy, Lauren, Lauren mad Cynthia, he love
Speaker 2: that he'd love that John m g winning Best Director.
Speaker 1: So that was so great.
Speaker 2: Just to expl because people seem to have comments about this.
Speaker 2: The Orlando Bloom, who presented the award, pointing out that
Speaker 2: in the past, I think since Argo, so it looked
Speaker 2: that's like the past twelve years, every director who's won
Speaker 2: the Critics Choice for Best Director has gone on to
Speaker 2: win Best Director at the Oscars.
Speaker 1: And we say since Argo because Ben Affleck ben a
Speaker 1: Cup was famously snubbed for the nomination for the Photographer
Speaker 1: Best Director. Yes, so this is the first time, because
Speaker 1: every single year since that director has won the Oscars,
Speaker 1: and now John is not nominated for the Oscar.
Speaker 2: John was snubbed for the Oscar snub. And so when
Speaker 2: he took the stage and won, with that information sort
Speaker 2: of top of mind for everybody, he said, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: win that Oscar and it was clearly a joke. You
Speaker 2: handsome as hell, so handso End did not have his
Speaker 2: speech prepared, did not have his phone with him, Off
Speaker 2: the cuff, off the dome, gave the best speech of
Speaker 2: the night.
Speaker 1: I think off the cuff is the way to do it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's real. It's like he just started with the
Speaker 2: word I've always loved telling stories, and it just went
Speaker 2: from there. And then he talked about being in his
Speaker 2: parents restaurant, comber Food to Comfort Prices, talking about like
Speaker 2: spending his days just like writing and drawing at the
Speaker 2: restaurant while he was just trying to like get through
Speaker 2: the day. And it just reminded me of like all
Speaker 2: the times that like I would I would just like
Speaker 2: make up stories like at Chinese school when I was
Speaker 2: just waiting for my parents to finish up, like it's
Speaker 2: just it just like dug up this thing in me
Speaker 2: where I was like, God, this is just what we
Speaker 2: This is just what everybody in that room wants to do.
Speaker 2: And he told the most radical story of the year
Speaker 2: to me in like this mythic fantasy setting.
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of great interesting subversive stuff this
Speaker 1: year at the Oscars, but I feel like Wicked is
Speaker 1: this trojan horse of a thing where it's like about
Speaker 1: and whatever, like anti fascism, racism and like careerism and
Speaker 1: like all these things that like is such a huge
Speaker 1: accessible container for everybody that like it's pretty incredible. And
Speaker 1: I say, this is someone who like I have been.
Speaker 1: I've said I have just enough of an objective like
Speaker 1: POV and that's not objective, but like I'm obviously biased,
Speaker 1: but I just think, like I love that movie so much,
Speaker 1: even when I can easily forget that I'm involved, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, that's such a great fucking as he said
Speaker 1: anything to you guys about Wicked for good, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're still in the edit. Okay, so no trailer to
Speaker 1: Super Bowl unfortunately. Sorry, y'all.
Speaker 2: They just want to get it right. But they've been
Speaker 2: busy with the word stuff, so like it's the timeline
Speaker 2: is just the dance card has been full. When did
Speaker 2: the When did the Wicked teaser trailer come out?
Speaker 1: Was it? It was Super Bowl last year? I see,
Speaker 1: so people were expecting it this year. But it will
Speaker 1: be great. Do you think that Cynthia and Arianna will
Speaker 1: continue to do pink and green all the way through
Speaker 1: or do you think they'll shift to a darker vibe
Speaker 1: because it's a darker frien. I think they'll shift to
Speaker 1: a darker film. I think always going to start working
Speaker 1: some blue in as we've seen or I'm not actually
Speaker 1: seen on the Red Carpets, but like she and they've
Speaker 1: already started to move away from pink and green. Like
Speaker 1: but yes, one of Glenna's dresses and for good is blue,
Speaker 1: as we've seen from those photos. You've seen those photos.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have what scene is that from?
Speaker 2: It's another I think it's another munchkin Land scene where
Speaker 2: she's with Fierro, and I think people have like clocked
Speaker 2: those stills.
Speaker 1: And you have no knowledge of the new song that
Speaker 1: Cynthia wrote for Forno. I don't honest to God's truth.
Speaker 1: I don't. Why did you look away from me? I
Speaker 1: just for me as someone who studies body language, because
Speaker 1: I've been studying a lot of Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively
Speaker 1: body language. I noticed that when you said honest to God,
Speaker 1: I don't you looked all the way up here. I
Speaker 1: was looking too.
Speaker 2: I was looking at that camera, and I was addressing
Speaker 2: the listener readers. Katie's publicist Colles finalists honest to God,
Speaker 2: Honest to God? I don't, And I really like, what
Speaker 2: do you want me to say?
Speaker 1: Sing the song? I don't know this song? Sing Cynthia's song.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't think where it's going
Speaker 1: to come in. I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for No Good Deed. Oh, I mean
Speaker 1: no good Deed. I can't wait for much of the
Speaker 1: Witch Hunters because that song goes off. Are you in that? No?
Speaker 1: So what can you say about Fanny's role? What can
Speaker 1: you tease for us what Fanny gets up to a
Speaker 1: wicked For Fanny.
Speaker 2: And Shenshin have seen their world view sort of payoff,
Speaker 2: which is we just want status, and that's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: Do you think that their fall will be precipitous? I
Speaker 1: think I think their fall will be maybe quite literal.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how this turns, to see
Speaker 1: how this turns out. You know they're saying Anora is
Speaker 1: gonna win Best Picture.
Speaker 2: Wait, and that's the favorite after DJAPG yep, And I'm
Speaker 2: I'm all for it, down for it, down for although
Speaker 2: I don't know there's a case to be made about.
Speaker 2: I'm just speaking to reputable people about this, huh. And
Speaker 2: there's a case to be made at because voting opened
Speaker 2: up this week for Roscars. There's a case to be
Speaker 2: made about because the news has been so awful, something
Speaker 2: might motivate people to vote for, like the feel good
Speaker 2: but still politically relevant movie in Wicked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's out of it.
Speaker 1: It's not out of it. I especially with the John
Speaker 1: Chewin a Critics Choice. I think that there's the John
Speaker 1: Chew win at Critics Choice. I think the SAG Awards
Speaker 1: are still coming up. I think that the predictions were
Speaker 1: that you guys would take Saga Ensemble. But now I
Speaker 1: don't you know what I thought was gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: thought maybe producer Skill was going to go to a
Speaker 1: complete unknown just because it's like a lot of Bob
Speaker 1: Dylan fans. Let's say, but I just don't think that
Speaker 1: movie's that great. And I think that Anora now feels
Speaker 1: like they were saying with ranked choice voting, it feels
Speaker 1: like nobody hates Anora, whereas like every other movie and
Speaker 1: even if they have a lot of love, there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of hatred. So like the way that you
Speaker 1: win Best Picture Oscar is if if you get ranked
Speaker 1: two or three on everyone's ballot, you're gonna war. Is
Speaker 1: that the Green Book effect? You think sort of, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a movie that people well because people have
Speaker 1: kind of hated Green Book, but by the end after
Speaker 1: voting it closed, you know, yeah, well it's like it
Speaker 1: kind of became the villain late, right, so it was
Speaker 1: maybe too late, whereas Amelia Press that film has become
Speaker 1: the villain quite early, and it's like sort of doomed.
Speaker 1: But Anora, if it's not people's number one, it's probably
Speaker 1: people's two, three, or four. And that's because everything else
Speaker 1: is super polarizing. It's it's rate a queen. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: rate a Queen. It's rate of Queen rules this year.
Speaker 1: It's great a queen rules at the Oscars. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about because you brought it up me Yes,
Speaker 1: Blake and Baldoni, Oh, because we did. We kind of
Speaker 1: touched on this with on the Sarah episode. I mean,
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars on top of the two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars. My bit that whole week was
Speaker 1: so sorry, I have to take those sex. My husband
Speaker 1: and I are being super for four hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: I actually only have about fifteen minutes. My husband and
Speaker 1: I are being super four hundred million dollars. Could we
Speaker 1: actually do lunch at two? I have something from twelve
Speaker 1: to one. It's a long story. My husband bring suit
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars. That's really see that's a great
Speaker 1: sort of nunciation elocution. I mean, were going really great.
Speaker 1: Tom's car got three times. I don't even know that
Speaker 1: it's been a lot. Can I ask them? Can I
Speaker 1: ask like a you can ask anything. I I am
Speaker 1: so deep on this. I'm so deep on this. It
Speaker 1: seems like.
Speaker 2: The prevailing story is that they're both bad.
Speaker 1: I think that that is coming to light, like there's
Speaker 1: certainly been bad behavior on both sides, sure, but I
Speaker 1: am tending to side with Blake in this situation for
Speaker 1: the most part because the Baldoni stuff is like like
Speaker 1: he is like suing like his old publicist now for
Speaker 1: like releasing the text of the Times, and like there's
Speaker 1: just it seems like there's more stuff. There's more tracks
Speaker 1: being like covered up on the Baldoni side that there
Speaker 1: are a million lawsuits now flying around for so much money,
Speaker 1: so insane. The New York Times has involved, all these
Speaker 1: PR firms are involved, et cetera. It's truly a story
Speaker 1: of just rich how dark. Like the way Hollywood works,
Speaker 1: It's like it's because here's here's the real truth. You
Speaker 1: can be an asshole. It's not against the law. What's
Speaker 1: against the law is, you know, paying people in order
Speaker 1: to bury someone defamation, sexual harassment on set, Like this
Speaker 1: type of thing is like against the law. So he
Speaker 1: can prove a million ways to Sunday that she's a
Speaker 1: fucking asshole, but that's the law. But it's not against
Speaker 1: the law. And so basically he may have to pay
Speaker 1: based on stuff that like I'm sorry, but Megan Towey,
Speaker 1: it's Pulitzer prize winning journalists at the New York Times,
Speaker 1: like pretty much proved in that piece, and he can
Speaker 1: sue them or whatever, but like, you can't really dispute
Speaker 1: the fact that he paid extremely expensive publicists to destroy
Speaker 1: her and that it worked. It worked. And I think
Speaker 1: what he is kind of violently retaliating against is this
Speaker 1: image that he's built up of himself as being this
Speaker 1: like feminist and like this advocate ragmon, which I think
Speaker 1: if that's true or bullshit or whatever, it kind of
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, like in the eyes of the law, right
Speaker 1: because even if she was a total asshole and asserted
Speaker 1: her control over this movie and like you know, brought
Speaker 1: her quote unquote dragons in which, by the way, if
Speaker 1: you read the way that this woman texts, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's it's wild. But she's talking about pebbles, talking about
Speaker 1: Blake Lively Blake like. But she can do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: She can assert control over the movie. She can swing
Speaker 1: her dick, she can bring in her famous friends, she
Speaker 1: can have her husband get involved in all this stuff. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not against you law exactly. The way that he
Speaker 1: acted probably was against the law. So okay, thank you,
Speaker 1: because I'm going kind of crazy being like, well, they're
Speaker 1: both awful, and I'm like, well, but one is. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing is like they I mean, I think at
Speaker 1: this point, especially because they keep digging in and they
Speaker 1: clearly want to go to trial, this is an ego
Speaker 1: thing and it's ugly all around. And I don't know
Speaker 1: necessarily where all of their careers go after this. I'm
Speaker 1: sure in some respect they'll kind of be fine. Yes,
Speaker 1: but you can say to you like he contacted his
Speaker 1: pr and said, you know, let's turn the narrative against
Speaker 1: her in such a crazy way that like we bury
Speaker 1: her and destroy her, and you can bring up all
Speaker 1: this stuff of her being a little bit of a
Speaker 1: jerk to these you know journalists like you know saying
Speaker 1: this kind of thing, like there's an old video of
Speaker 1: her talking about how she did blackface, et cetera. Like
Speaker 1: it's like you can unearth all of this stuff. You're
Speaker 1: not proving criminal, You're just not you're proving that she is.
Speaker 1: It's not an actress, it's not a big ego. It's
Speaker 1: not a criminal. No no. But but I guess what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is like it's like a liolilitic and it's
Speaker 1: like I think while he may be winning the thing
Speaker 1: about public opinion about her, he'll probably still end up paying. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad it's made its way to lost culture. I loved.
Speaker 1: I will say the Chelsea Handler joke that I liked
Speaker 1: the most was like, I think we're all very but
Speaker 1: something she said like the yeah, we're good, We're good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because that's another thing is it's like when people are
Speaker 1: so hell bent on like they seem really sure that
Speaker 1: everyone cares. And I will say I really didn't until
Speaker 1: it was the only thing in entertainment news, and it's
Speaker 1: such a selve from all the rest of the dark
Speaker 1: shit happening in the world that it's kind of just like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's see what's going on with this Blake
Speaker 1: and justin thing, and all of a sudden you're sucked in.
Speaker 2: But you're saying that window was closed very quick because
Speaker 2: now you don't care anymore.
Speaker 1: It's not even that I don't care, it's kind of
Speaker 1: the thing of like it's it's very well, let's see
Speaker 1: how this turns out, because if it goes to trial,
Speaker 1: of course I care.
Speaker 2: Right, how do you like bring that to bring it
Speaker 2: back to the fire, Like, how do you bring that
Speaker 2: level of like attention to like something that actually is.
Speaker 1: Well, how about the fact that they were filing these
Speaker 1: lawsuits while the fires were happening total just to show
Speaker 1: like that the focus is so on them and that
Speaker 1: the egos are so out of control that this is
Speaker 1: literally going down and those things are being fouled in
Speaker 1: the court of law like while everything was going down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's so brutal, it's so sad that like that's
Speaker 1: the shit that takes up are totally but I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's kind of always been, like I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say, is good. The fact that you
Speaker 1: can even make that distinction now and us on our
Speaker 1: platform can be like, isn't it wild how distracted we
Speaker 1: all are easily by by what is essentially bullshit, even
Speaker 1: if it's a big deal to them, and it's a
Speaker 1: big deal, you know, to some people in a real way.
Speaker 1: Like at least we can be able to say, like,
Speaker 1: we see how easily distracted the media is and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's all pretty silly, Like.
Speaker 2: I hate that I know that his production company is
Speaker 2: called Wayfarer now and that's just information that's in my brain.
Speaker 1: Ye's so close to Wayfair the furniture bran, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: furniture brand. Yeah, he should have thought it.
Speaker 2: Well, this this just made me think, my out, my
Speaker 2: loanout company has a bad name, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: need to change it in case I ever get into
Speaker 2: legal shit.
Speaker 1: Dingo dingis dingham Dingo, dinkham Dingo Australian thing. What's yours? Oh? Your?
Speaker 2: You know, yours is great, basic inast basic instincts, so funny,
Speaker 2: so good. I like my loanout. You've got a great
Speaker 2: loanout dnkim Dingo. I was just like, I can't come
Speaker 2: up with anything. It's two Australian words.
Speaker 1: Put it in. I think dnkham Dingo's great.
Speaker 2: But if that if it was like dnkham Dingo's you know,
Speaker 2: like dnkham Dingo file to complaint against It's like that
Speaker 2: sounds so stupid.
Speaker 1: Do you want to start a production company with me? Yes?
Speaker 1: What should we call it? Like?
Speaker 2: Do we wanted to have like a serious sounding name
Speaker 2: or called twins are fighting again?
Speaker 1: Gemini? I'm meeting with Gemini. Entertained man.
Speaker 2: That apparently that's that's the Google AI name. Like we
Speaker 2: need to get on these names y'all because sometimes they
Speaker 2: snatch up the it's like it's like, you know, getting
Speaker 2: a handle, you get like you gotta get, you gotta
Speaker 2: snatch it up quick totally, which to be called corridor.
Speaker 1: Looking at your sweater. Yeah, this is a that's a
Speaker 1: good place to start. But what's something we both love?
Speaker 1: Mariah Kelly Gaga Mariah Kelly Gaga like it's a gay
Speaker 1: kids screen name and like two thousand and eight, Maria
Speaker 1: Kelly Wait, I've told you this is so revealing of my.
Speaker 2: Your your your sl screen names, Casey No, what is it?
Speaker 1: Ao l screen name?
Speaker 2: Your Ames screen name and Ames screen name was Kelly Clarkston,
Speaker 2: wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? When I was little, it was M A R
Speaker 1: O T C K seven seven nine. And you're gonna
Speaker 1: scream when you find that way of for Trenise from
Speaker 1: season two of American Idol, number five Nember, No, she
Speaker 1: was number six, she was fifth place because it was Trenise.
Speaker 1: Then Kimberly Clark then number three. Stop Kimberly Locke was
Speaker 1: her name. I'm sorry, Kimberly, I think you've messed up
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So it was Trenise.
Speaker 1: Then who was four Trenise? And who was fourth on
Speaker 1: season two of America? Oh god, no, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It definitely Guy because I was like pissed because then
Speaker 1: it was first place was Ruben Stuttered, Second place was lock?
Speaker 1: Fourth place? I forget who that was? Yeah, but it wasn't. No,
Speaker 1: was fifth? I remember? Oh was it Josh Grayson?
Speaker 2: That's just similiar stupid? Remember remember Julia Dematto. I was
Speaker 2: waiting for Julia Demoto. Julia Donald rocked because she was
Speaker 2: like a single mom or something, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I want her to win.
Speaker 1: She she she was a single mom hairdresser from Long Yes,
Speaker 1: and she was very like the woman that I would
Speaker 1: go into say hi to my mom at work and
Speaker 1: she'd be like, oh, hey, you're so handsome. I've told
Speaker 1: you that my mom had really good relationships with everyone
Speaker 1: at her hair salon, including lex who first cut my
Speaker 1: hair into a crew cott and turned me around to
Speaker 1: the mirror and said, you look like a marine. And
Speaker 1: there was one nasty queen who my mom was in
Speaker 1: a feud with at work. And you're gonna die when
Speaker 1: I tell you who it was. Who the nail girl
Speaker 1: Bernadette well I don't like her. All right, Well it's
Speaker 1: time to wrap it up. This is I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And this is where we take sixty seconds to talk
Speaker 1: about something in culture that has messed us up. And
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: This is Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey. As
Speaker 2: time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. The nail girl Bernadette, who
Speaker 1: years ago did not invite my mother to her wedding.
Speaker 1: They worked in the same salon, Exstasia in Lyndenhurst, New York.
Speaker 1: It was a community driven place where women came to
Speaker 1: get gorgeous. And so with these vibes over at the
Speaker 1: nail station, Bernadette is being a gatekeeper at her wedding.
Speaker 1: She invited everyone, including the girls who were essentially interns
Speaker 1: there who just swept up the hair, to her wedding
Speaker 1: in the late nineties, and not my mother. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine not inviting Katrina to a party? What the fuck
Speaker 1: do you have against my mother, Trina? Bernadette, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. I better not catch you out here
Speaker 1: in whatever streets and you come up, Matthew, it's so
Speaker 1: excited to see you so successful. I'm Bernadette I used
Speaker 1: to work with your mother. I will end you five
Speaker 1: seconds wherever you're at. Let's go, Bernadette. You didn't invite
Speaker 1: my mother to your your wedding. That was problem.
Speaker 2: That's one minute and fucking Bernadette. I'm sorry. We love that.
Speaker 2: We love every nail technician, but compared to Katrina, you're
Speaker 2: sitting down most of the day.
Speaker 1: No, she was nothing. Katrina is on her feet. People
Speaker 1: are not going to Extasia and Lindenhurst for the This
Speaker 1: is no disrespect to all the nail texts out there,
Speaker 1: but this is a hair salon.
Speaker 2: So know your place and know your role. Show some
Speaker 2: respect to Katrina clarities.
Speaker 1: Just understand your legacies is not that you're I don't
Speaker 1: even know if you're still married, but either way, if
Speaker 1: you are, even if it's a successful marriage in terms
Speaker 1: of lost coach metrics, your legacy is that you fucked
Speaker 1: up in the late nineties and didn't invite Katrina to
Speaker 1: your wedding and I heard about it at home.
Speaker 2: The legacy is I'm forgetting your ass. As soon as
Speaker 2: this episode is done.
Speaker 1: He will, I won't.
Speaker 2: I wish you all the best in life, Bernadette. I
Speaker 2: will not filed you away in any drawer in my brain,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be Bowenyang only. I don't wish you well,
Speaker 2: and I'll remember you, I clearly do. I was a young, young,
Speaker 2: a gay kid, and you don't.
Speaker 1: Cross our mothers here. First of all, your wedding is
Speaker 1: probably way boring because my mom absolutely tears it up
Speaker 1: to love shack, tears it up to all the wedding songs,
Speaker 1: never too much, never too much, never too much.
Speaker 2: Love shack is yeah, that's up there to say nothing
Speaker 2: of shouts.
Speaker 1: Zalea Banks had a point the other day when she
Speaker 1: tweeted she wants to see Sam Smith sing never too
Speaker 1: Much by Luther, and then her fans were started dragging
Speaker 1: her like fuck you Sam Smith, and she was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't understand Sam Smith can like sings like.
Speaker 2: No Sam Smith can do called him white Luther, all right,
Speaker 2: And that's our Azalea Banks mention of the episode.
Speaker 1: And this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: You ready, yep? His time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Microsoft teams, is it a browser experience?
Speaker 1: Do I have to downe on the app?
Speaker 2: It's not clear based on the call to actions based
Speaker 2: on the button, and and when I get there, the
Speaker 2: view is paginated. I have to click an error to
Speaker 2: go see the other eight people on the meeting. And
Speaker 2: then if I mute a pop up, a persistent pop up,
Speaker 2: no matter how many times you x out of it,
Speaker 2: pops up and says you're muted.
Speaker 1: You're muted, bitch.
Speaker 2: I know I'll press space bar when I have to
Speaker 2: speak out of respect for the thirty other people on
Speaker 2: this call.
Speaker 1: What is the deal Microsoft Teams. I don't want to
Speaker 1: buy into the office suite anymore. Google Drive got your ass,
Speaker 1: and we're all using docs and sheets and pages. We're
Speaker 1: not doing the powerpoints in the year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I don't know why we're still tethered to teams. I
Speaker 1: don't know why Bill Gates is an interview magazine at
Speaker 1: this point. Why do we give it these people our time,
Speaker 1: our effort, our energy. I have to spend five minutes
Speaker 1: after the meeting starts to figure out how the fuck
Speaker 1: to log on, and that's one minute. Everyone out there,
Speaker 1: Microsoft Team doesn't work for us. And I have all
Speaker 1: the sympathy in the world for the people who work
Speaker 1: at companies where they are forced to use Microsoft teams
Speaker 1: because of whatever contracts they have. But you must fight
Speaker 1: and use your power as employees to switch to Zoom.
Speaker 1: Just do it.
Speaker 2: It's the standard, not the industry standard, it's the world standard.
Speaker 1: The quality is so much worse on teams. What's the
Speaker 1: redeeming thing? I don't know. I ruined my day this morning.
Speaker 1: I don't know a worse platform. I don't know platform. Now.
Speaker 1: We're not fans of team, We're not fans of teams.
Speaker 1: There's also so much business to get into it. It's
Speaker 1: business to get into it. I can't see a full
Speaker 1: list of the of like a full populated list of
Speaker 1: like people like I don't know. The grid view is
Speaker 1: like different. It's three by five in the first three rows,
Speaker 1: then it's two by seven and then second it's like,
Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that's really gonna piss
Speaker 1: BO off. No. I need I need to see everyone
Speaker 1: needs to have the same hierarchy on a Zoom or
Speaker 1: on a video conference, like totally agree, do you really agree? No? Yes?
Speaker 1: And I want to say we loved everyone on no
Speaker 1: no when it was a great call, great call. We
Speaker 1: would have loved to see you all shine equally, all
Speaker 1: shine equally. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: The grid just kept moving like the resizing, and people
Speaker 2: have bigger faces than others, and I was like, this
Speaker 2: is intolerable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you something. The Hollywood Squares it
Speaker 1: was not. No.
Speaker 2: I just want I want pauland and Whoopi Goldberg and
Speaker 2: Center Square.
Speaker 1: I just want to know exactly where someone is sitting
Speaker 1: in the Hollywood Square. I want all my zoom calls
Speaker 1: and like online meetings to be like Hollywood Squares. Like
Speaker 1: I know that deb from Accounting is the top left square.
Speaker 1: I know that you and I would have torn up
Speaker 1: it's back. What yes, it's It's like it's like fully
Speaker 1: a show. The other day it was on. It was
Speaker 1: Margaret show was on it. We need to get booked.
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore. I think Drew Barrymore a Center Square that's iconic.
Speaker 1: The cast was not chumps. I'll tell you that we
Speaker 1: want to do. In fact, someone sent me a picture
Speaker 1: of it and was like, why aren't you on this show?
Speaker 1: Which I usually think if.
Speaker 2: It was a little bit of a drag, right, but
Speaker 2: but I want the Hollywood Scores is so aspiration, it's iconic.
Speaker 1: So we're available for Hollywood Squares. I want to say
Speaker 1: one thing before we go okay, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's sad that I even have to do this, but
Speaker 1: I'm now begging. So Epic Universe is now finished, as completed,
Speaker 1: it's being handed over to park operations. I have not
Speaker 1: heard from anyone at NBC Universal or you know, the parks.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from anyone from Orlando with an invitation.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what else I can say other
Speaker 1: than you want us there, trust us talking about this,
Speaker 1: Trust us like, please invite us please, and also everyone
Speaker 1: on the ground bts. The information has also been lacking.
Speaker 1: I've not been getting the leaks that I wanted, Like
Speaker 1: if you are on the grounds in Epic Universe and
Speaker 1: you can give me leaks you need to be getting
Speaker 1: in my d ms. I'm very good about discreetly sharing information.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not feeling it. You can see we
Speaker 1: went black. We went we went dark. Look at that.
Speaker 1: We went dark. Our backdrop went out because of because
Speaker 1: of the severity of the situation. This is a very
Speaker 1: serious situation and we need we need to be reached out.
Speaker 1: So we need to be collaborated with on this or
Speaker 1: I'm going to be upset. This sucks. See what's happening Microft,
Speaker 1: Microsoft teams? Oh no, it's damn smart TV. All right, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta go, We gotta go. All right, Epic Epic
Speaker 1: Universe reach out. I'm hearing that they're giving an engineer
Speaker 1: walkthrough in March. How are you hearing that someone reached
Speaker 1: out to me and I said, you need to reach
Speaker 1: out to Matt Rogers. No, Matt, sit down? What Matt? No?
Speaker 1: I now you're making me feel bad for sharing information
Speaker 1: with you because it didn't come up and it this
Speaker 1: person messaged me yesterday, dot me read it, Yes, and
Speaker 1: they might get in trouble. But see, if you message me,
Speaker 1: I would have put this out on the low. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, no, no, no, don't get them in trouble.
Speaker 1: But like, no, I'm just I just want to read
Speaker 1: what the scuttle butt is. Okay, tell us the scuttle
Speaker 1: But I can't care this.
Speaker 2: Oh here it is team members. Preview dates have dropped.
Speaker 2: That's all I've received what.
Speaker 1: We we In the words of Diana Ross reach out,
Speaker 1: no one will do a better job than us at
Speaker 1: drumming up excitement. People need to hear about this and
Speaker 1: they're only going to hear about it all laws Coult.
Speaker 1: We have a huge platform and we will use it well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of hearing, we end never episode with the song
Speaker 1: I just want you to have this is reading? Yes,
Speaker 1: what does it look like? Bye? Bye? Last Culture is
Speaker 1: just is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and
Speaker 1: Bowen Yang, Executive produced by Ada Hasnier, then
Speaker 2: Produced by Beck Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Bammniko
Speaker 2: Board and our music is by Henry Komerski