Speaker 1: Calm Down with Aaron and Carissa is a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Okay and Pound you like to talk
Speaker 1: with an accent? I really want an English accent, I
Speaker 1: think because I want to go to Europe for a while.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll rub off on me. Remember when Madonna thought
Speaker 1: she had an English accent? No still does, right? Does she?
Speaker 1: Is it back? I think so. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it ever laughed interesting. Um, I'm gonna tell you who's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere because she's stuck with us for the
Speaker 1: next forty five minutes. Rachel Zoe is our guest today,
Speaker 1: and I'm singing because I'm so excited. I have always
Speaker 1: been a fan of hers, and I watched the reality
Speaker 1: show and we're singing, and I'm happy. I loved her
Speaker 1: reality show. I've never been a style maven. I've never
Speaker 1: known how to dress myself. It's not really been my thing.
Speaker 1: Fashion is not my life. But I have such respect
Speaker 1: for people whose it is, and so whenever she was
Speaker 1: like styling people for award shows and continues to do,
Speaker 1: I just loved it. She's a designer, a businesswoman and author,
Speaker 1: a mother, and an incredible wife to Roger. They've been
Speaker 1: married for twenty five years or whatever it is. We'll
Speaker 1: get into all of that. I'm really excited to have
Speaker 1: her on the show today. Yeah, I know, looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. I just anyone that's been able to juggle
Speaker 1: everything that she has, entrepreneur, family, so many ideas. Just
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm so intrigued by people that actually,
Speaker 1: you know, make it all come true. And uh, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to her. Never I've never met her.
Speaker 1: I've never met her either, and she just seems like
Speaker 1: she's like that girl's girl you know that you want
Speaker 1: to just grab a cocktail with. So coming up next,
Speaker 1: Rachel Zone. Invitation. Yeah, invitation is the highest form of flattery,
Speaker 1: and I feel like not to be like one of
Speaker 1: those creepos, but like I've been doing that with you
Speaker 1: for years now, like give me a chunky gold necklace,
Speaker 1: all of the things. No, it's true, it's really nice
Speaker 1: to meet you. I'm Charissa and before No, but I
Speaker 1: feel like I know you from Sam Phipps. Um you
Speaker 1: know Sammy? Well? Yeah, so I inherited her in my
Speaker 1: marriage and she was friends with my husband. And yes,
Speaker 1: I hear stories about you all the time. It seems
Speaker 1: like your guys this group of friends like Kate Hudson
Speaker 1: and with the Master Girls, Like, you guys have this
Speaker 1: rad girl group, which is in a way it feels
Speaker 1: like we all know you because you guys are always
Speaker 1: together and posting in different things, but you have like
Speaker 1: when I've met Sarah, it's like you guys or Kate
Speaker 1: husband when I used to work at Extra, I was
Speaker 1: going through a breakup and she like immediately was like,
Speaker 1: give me your cell phone. We're going out tonight. We're
Speaker 1: getting drinks. Like She's like, you guys just have this
Speaker 1: awesome network of girls. Where does that come from? Like
Speaker 1: where's the inception? Like who is the o G that
Speaker 1: started this group? I mean I know you worked with them,
Speaker 1: and that's an old o G. You guys have been
Speaker 1: friends forever. Then you add Eric and all the flowers everything,
Speaker 1: and all the flowers um well, to be very honest,
Speaker 1: it was actually like like different parts. So Sarah Foster
Speaker 1: and Kid Hudson I met literally basically on like the
Speaker 1: same day in and around so Sam I've literally been
Speaker 1: friends with since before we lived in l A. So
Speaker 1: we were like having the best New York New York
Speaker 1: sample and Sam up to move here to l A.
Speaker 1: God probably like two thousand maybe right, And then I
Speaker 1: was working here so much that I eventually, like in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, I was like, Babe, we have
Speaker 1: no kids, were not tied to anything. We're workaholics. Like
Speaker 1: ninety percent of my work is in l A now,
Speaker 1: so like, let's just try it. If you don't like it,
Speaker 1: you know, New York is not going anywhere. So we
Speaker 1: moved out here. But while I was doing that, I
Speaker 1: was actually staying at the it used to be Learned
Speaker 1: Mattage Now it's another hotel in Beverly Hills, and I
Speaker 1: was staying there and I was styling, and I remember
Speaker 1: going up to this one suite for jewelry around Oscar
Speaker 1: time and literally tripped over Kate and like I was
Speaker 1: wearing like five pieces of jewelry, and Kate was like,
Speaker 1: what are you wearing? And like we started just talking
Speaker 1: about jewelry, and we were such kind of style soulmates
Speaker 1: that we just started like I love what you're wearing.
Speaker 1: A love it, and then we became friends. But what
Speaker 1: ended up happening is I was taking so it was
Speaker 1: when she was doing almost Famous, and I ended up
Speaker 1: going to her house to bring her this Versacci dress
Speaker 1: that she ended up wearing to the Oscars, and Sarah
Speaker 1: opened the door. Now now we got a party, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Sarah was so young, and she was so hot,
Speaker 1: not that she she's actually as hot today as she
Speaker 1: was when I met her, when she was like she
Speaker 1: must have been. Honestly, she must have been like nineteen.
Speaker 1: I don't even know eight, I have no idea. But
Speaker 1: she's wearing cut off dnim shorts, a white tank top
Speaker 1: and ugs, and she answers the door. She's like on
Speaker 1: the phone, and it's almost like the rest was history.
Speaker 1: Like I just got really close to Sarah. I got
Speaker 1: really close with Kate. Kate and I started working together,
Speaker 1: and then obviously, like I became close with Aaron, her sister,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then it just kind
Speaker 1: of in sam because she was in l A and
Speaker 1: I was here. We just were always together. And then ironically,
Speaker 1: like my oldest and her youngest ended up being in
Speaker 1: kindergarten together, and then now neither of us actually go
Speaker 1: to that school anymore. And then she moved to Manhattan
Speaker 1: Beach and I moved to Brentwood, and you know, and
Speaker 1: here we are. But my relationship with Sam will always
Speaker 1: be one. That's like, if I don't see her for
Speaker 1: six months or a year, we picked up exactly where
Speaker 1: we left off. She's just the greatest person mine too.
Speaker 1: When I go away for six months to work football
Speaker 1: and then I, you know, re I do re entry
Speaker 1: to be like, hey, I'm back, She'll be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: why don't we catching up one? But you just go
Speaker 1: to the same crap, you know. Yeah, girl, girlfriends and
Speaker 1: Air and I have been friends for a hundred years
Speaker 1: from our sports background because we met doing the same
Speaker 1: job and just girlfriends are so important. And you are
Speaker 1: the queen though of long lasting relationship as a gal
Speaker 1: that's on her second marriage. The fact that you and
Speaker 1: Roger have been together since what right is that together?
Speaker 1: So we've been together. We just celebrated this year this
Speaker 1: past August, thirty years together. I mean, and Mary, what
Speaker 1: is the yeah, what is help? What is the key?
Speaker 1: You know, it's weird. We really do recognize that it's
Speaker 1: a bit of like a freak of nature thing, Like
Speaker 1: we do understand it's not normal at all. Like I
Speaker 1: actually think it's almost more normal to not stay together
Speaker 1: that long, Like if you actually think about it, you guys,
Speaker 1: to be with one person for life is a very
Speaker 1: surreal concept right now, of course, and the true edition
Speaker 1: of marriage, Like that's actually what it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And if you asked me, allegedly, um, these days not
Speaker 1: so much, but you know, I would say that a
Speaker 1: couple of things, first and foremost, And I know it
Speaker 1: sounds so obvious, but first and foremost trust. I have
Speaker 1: never once in thirty years questioned what he's doing when
Speaker 1: he's not with me, never once, And I think that
Speaker 1: has so much to do with it. Um. Also, when
Speaker 1: I was very young and I was building my career
Speaker 1: and running around with like male actors and supermodels and
Speaker 1: all these living this crazy life, and he was an
Speaker 1: investment banker, not as crazy. I remember his friends being like,
Speaker 1: how do you let her do that? Like how do
Speaker 1: you just let her go and be with these guys
Speaker 1: and travel around the world. And Roger always had this
Speaker 1: approach of like if they can get her, they can
Speaker 1: have her, you know, and are a concept that people
Speaker 1: were like huh, because all his friends were like these
Speaker 1: jealous guys that would like never let their girls out
Speaker 1: of their sight whatever, and he was like, I don't
Speaker 1: understand that, like, if there's a guy that can get you,
Speaker 1: he can absolutely have you because it's it don't because
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. And also like at that point,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be with me, right right. That
Speaker 1: was more of his concept and it was so uh
Speaker 1: it made so much sense, you know, and so and
Speaker 1: it really worked, you know, like it really worked because
Speaker 1: I did whatever and I never I never straight I
Speaker 1: never thought about it. And if you asked me my
Speaker 1: whole life, I would have said, I'm not the marrying type.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be able to be with what. I
Speaker 1: was boy crazy, just like my kids are girl crazy.
Speaker 1: I love boys. I had million boyfriends. I was never alone.
Speaker 1: The day before I met him, I had just gotten
Speaker 1: out of like my umpteenth serious relationship, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find myself. I'm gonna be alone. I
Speaker 1: don't want to date anyone for at least a year.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to meet a guy. Met him
Speaker 1: the next day. I've been with him thirty years. So
Speaker 1: here I am. It makes sense? What well? It works?
Speaker 1: It works for us. The name of your And that's
Speaker 1: where we started in honestly, because to your point. It's
Speaker 1: what every single person we meet is, like what how
Speaker 1: you work together your parent together? I don't understand how
Speaker 1: that even works. And you know the truth is, I
Speaker 1: mean we're very much like Lucy and Ricky. I mean
Speaker 1: we bicker, but like our recovery time is what ten seconds?
Speaker 1: And I think I think a lot of it too.
Speaker 1: I think there's a big misconception about marriage. You hear
Speaker 1: people say very often like when they associate marriage with
Speaker 1: like um part of their life, they go, well, marriage
Speaker 1: is hard. Marriage is is really hard, And I think
Speaker 1: rog nited that are always like that's where you're actually wrong,
Speaker 1: like like well, and I always say, it's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's like everything else in life is hard. Like we're
Speaker 1: the easy part, Like your husband and wife. That should
Speaker 1: be where you come home and you're like, it's like
Speaker 1: your safe person, it's your easy let your guard down,
Speaker 1: just be you. Like that should be the thing that's
Speaker 1: the most effortless thing in your life. It should never
Speaker 1: be the challenge. The minute it's the challenge, I think
Speaker 1: that's where you have to like take a step back
Speaker 1: because this is your forever right, So not that it
Speaker 1: doesn't have like ups and downs, because of course it
Speaker 1: does any relationship, does you know, I just don't think
Speaker 1: it should be. It's very Aaron's parents are still together,
Speaker 1: My parents are still together. So I'm just always in
Speaker 1: awe and envious of of that. So kudos to you.
Speaker 1: It should never be overlooked because it is, especially in
Speaker 1: the world that you guys live in. You know, to
Speaker 1: have that anchor that keeps you and you know you
Speaker 1: said it. You let you be you and you let
Speaker 1: be him. So it's a beautiful, beautiful relationship. Just observing
Speaker 1: from let me ask because I am so intrigued and
Speaker 1: I was dying to just talk to you with how
Speaker 1: much you juggle, with how much you have your hands
Speaker 1: in and my gosh, fashion social media, I mean on
Speaker 1: Bravo back in the day. Um now, wallpaper, all of
Speaker 1: the I mean I was sending lengths of it to
Speaker 1: my sister today and I was like, this is so
Speaker 1: good for you for your apartment and to give you
Speaker 1: some life. You know who else is in wallpaper and
Speaker 1: did my house in Montana? Samantha Phipps and wallpaper. She
Speaker 1: changes your life. But before we get to that, I
Speaker 1: have to ask you, Rachel, with you involved in so
Speaker 1: much and I don't know how you operate in terms
Speaker 1: of I have so many ideas and I have so
Speaker 1: many things. I am trying really hard in my marriage
Speaker 1: almost of five years. Who um to stay present and
Speaker 1: you where your feet are and give him the time
Speaker 1: he needs, especially when I'm not during my season. How
Speaker 1: do you do that with your marriage with your kids?
Speaker 1: What do you do? Well? Okay, so here's the thing. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we just launched our second venture fund, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, my biggest thing that I've become
Speaker 1: really obsessed with over the last year or two is
Speaker 1: really having my hands in a lot of different businesses
Speaker 1: and really like consulting, advising, investing, UM. And I think
Speaker 1: all the other things like you mentioned the wallpaper and
Speaker 1: fragrance and all these other things. I'm it's weird. I'm
Speaker 1: a creative person. I'm definitely a creative person. I've been
Speaker 1: my whole life before I even knew it. And I
Speaker 1: think when you're a creative person, there's this um kind
Speaker 1: of like this ticking thing in your body that like
Speaker 1: explodes if you're not stimulated right, and you have to
Speaker 1: like project that creativity on everything you do. And so,
Speaker 1: for example, I'm just gonna say, like my office, right,
Speaker 1: I must remerch and restyle these shelves like twice a week.
Speaker 1: Like I'll just be on the phone with someone and
Speaker 1: stand up and start like re styling books and things.
Speaker 1: So you're dying, And so I think, I think to
Speaker 1: that extent, I think my career for me, I've never
Speaker 1: planned any of it, not my books. Everything I ever
Speaker 1: said no to I did. I was like, oh god, no,
Speaker 1: I'd never write a book on any read books? Who
Speaker 1: was time? You know? And and you know and TV
Speaker 1: shows like I'm never letting anyone in my life like
Speaker 1: all those things. But I think there's a time and
Speaker 1: a place, and I've definitely always been governed by my
Speaker 1: gut instinct for things. And when opportunities come, it's not
Speaker 1: always the right time. It's not always the right Um,
Speaker 1: people that you want to do business with, And I
Speaker 1: think those things kind of pull you into things now
Speaker 1: becoming a mom and and much later in life. By
Speaker 1: the way, Um, I'm olderier and I we Roger and
Speaker 1: I were together. Brace yourself. When I tell people this
Speaker 1: out loud, it sounds crazy. We were together for eighteen
Speaker 1: years before we had children. But I remember you got
Speaker 1: and again because your life was out there the idea
Speaker 1: with your show, it was weird, not weird, that's not
Speaker 1: it was well, no, it was just you were you
Speaker 1: were just this like dynamo and continue to be right
Speaker 1: with like the business side and Aaron and I have
Speaker 1: talked about this for a long time. When is the
Speaker 1: right time to have kids or how it's going to
Speaker 1: disrupt my business? And so then when you you know,
Speaker 1: to think now with your children, like who knew what
Speaker 1: your life looked like before those boys? Right? Because now
Speaker 1: there the whole world, and so when is that right
Speaker 1: time to shift up and what made it change for
Speaker 1: you guys and decide like, hey, we need to do
Speaker 1: this and we want to do this now time, really time,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's a weird thing because I was
Speaker 1: this weird hybrid of a completely career obsessed, perfectionist workaholic
Speaker 1: from my whole adult life. Those types of people are
Speaker 1: not typically people that you say, oh, she's going to
Speaker 1: be a mom, she needs to be a mom, you know.
Speaker 1: But weirdly, since I was sixteen fifteen, I was always
Speaker 1: called like mom's oh or you know, I was always
Speaker 1: the mom. I was always the one taking care of everybody.
Speaker 1: I was always the one, you know, just I was
Speaker 1: the shoulder they cried on. I was the ear I
Speaker 1: was at this. It was all those things. And then
Speaker 1: when all my friends started having children, it was funny
Speaker 1: because I'd be the one adult that was invited to
Speaker 1: kid's birthdays that had no kids, and I would be
Speaker 1: the one out there playing with kids while all the
Speaker 1: parents were like drinking wine in an amazing, flowing down
Speaker 1: designer gown as she's out there, like seriously, as I
Speaker 1: was definitely a nails I was, definitely, but it was weird.
Speaker 1: So this I was very, very conflicted because I knew
Speaker 1: in my soul that I had to be a mother
Speaker 1: because I loved children. I loved them. What I couldn't
Speaker 1: solve for was how in God's name I was going
Speaker 1: to have time to do that. And I was like,
Speaker 1: how I don't even have time to shower. I sleep
Speaker 1: four hours a night, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: I'm living the most ridiculous life. And then, as you
Speaker 1: may have seen on the show, I got very sick
Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine and I got vertigo that
Speaker 1: was debilitating for about a year, and ultimately, like your
Speaker 1: body sometimes makes decisions and just says, you know what,
Speaker 1: guess what, just kidding you can't live like this anymore?
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I would attribute it to say
Speaker 1: I was probably collapsing of sorts from exhaustion, you know.
Speaker 1: And then Roger and I one day we were just like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm getting old, Like agree kind of need
Speaker 1: to do this, and what do we do? You know,
Speaker 1: it was sort of like how do I get a baby?
Speaker 1: It was sort of like, right, how do I do this?
Speaker 1: We started around and I got pregnant. Honestly, It's funny.
Speaker 1: I was pregnant for nine weeks before I even realized
Speaker 1: I was pregnant because we weren't trying. We weren't not trying,
Speaker 1: but weren't trying. Yeah, I was just working. And then
Speaker 1: I just remember finding out I was pregnant in the
Speaker 1: summer of two thousand and ten, and I just remember, like,
Speaker 1: you know, those pregnancy tests you take them and it
Speaker 1: takes like, you know, it takes like a minute to
Speaker 1: see what color, what what what plus sing or whatever,
Speaker 1: and there's like four of them in a box. Girls,
Speaker 1: I took four them. They took five seconds to come
Speaker 1: up with the answer. It was like you were strong.
Speaker 1: There was no. Yeah, that's funny, my luck. I'd be like,
Speaker 1: is that another line? Is it not a line? Like?
Speaker 1: So there was no. It looks crooked. So but the
Speaker 1: truth is, you guys, I remember taking this hospital tour
Speaker 1: when I was like eight and a half months pregnant,
Speaker 1: and I remember at Cedars and I left the hospital
Speaker 1: and I got in the car and I go, nope,
Speaker 1: can't do it, and round really because what are you
Speaker 1: doing that we're doing because you want to see section.
Speaker 1: I go, no, no, I can't do that. I'm freaking out,
Speaker 1: like I don't don't. I don't know how to give birth.
Speaker 1: He's like, nobody knows how to give birth. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you could say a word about this, You're just gonna
Speaker 1: stand there like looking at me. And you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was in a full panic, like I could have
Speaker 1: stayed pregnant for like five years, like that was fine.
Speaker 1: I was just like not ready. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, like sky was in my hands and it
Speaker 1: was almost like my life just went upside down and
Speaker 1: backwards with love and I froze for like a year.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get my head out of like him, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of I'm not leaving it. I don't think
Speaker 1: I left him for like three years, like, and then
Speaker 1: I had my second one. I just took him everywhere, honestly, um,
Speaker 1: and you know, after Caius, like it's weird. By the
Speaker 1: second one, you're sort of like, Okay, I can do both.
Speaker 1: I can. I got this, you know. But I what
Speaker 1: I did in all honestly, I think because I was
Speaker 1: an older mom and I kind of had already, I
Speaker 1: felt my career set up, so to speak. I was
Speaker 1: able to bring my kids to work. Your businesses, yes,
Speaker 1: but then in my company, six girls had babies the
Speaker 1: same time as me, and I immediately opened a nursery
Speaker 1: in my office because I was like, no way, I'm
Speaker 1: bringing my baby and they're not bringing their babies. So
Speaker 1: everyone had their babies. It was the cutest thing in
Speaker 1: the whole. It was the best. Honestly, it was the best.
Speaker 1: And we'll do the best, boss then, because now you're creating, well,
Speaker 1: now you're creating a work environment that is family. And
Speaker 1: now they're invested because you're invested. And that's the whole
Speaker 1: thing that Aaron and I are learning, you know, with
Speaker 1: her very successful clothing line, and I started a team apparel, Rachel.
Speaker 1: It's not like you by anyways. I have a I
Speaker 1: have an NFL Like you know what I'm saying, it's
Speaker 1: team apparel, but I know, but it's Rachel's over. That's
Speaker 1: so cool, you know, it's freaking questions for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jesus wait soon, yeah yeah, yeah, so I was. I know,
Speaker 1: we only have so much time with you and we
Speaker 1: have this is like that thing where it's like you
Speaker 1: want like hours with you because the entrepreneur brain of
Speaker 1: Aaron and I like want to just dive into yours
Speaker 1: because you've been so successful in all of your businesses.
Speaker 1: So what did you specifically want to ask her? Oh?
Speaker 1: I just think you know the god I have, Rachel,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions. Um no, So number
Speaker 1: one on the thing, please do I think just reinventing
Speaker 1: yourself I mean, and also just staying relevant. You've been unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been a household name forever. And thank
Speaker 1: you for having babies later in your life. You've made
Speaker 1: it great for forty three year olds like me to
Speaker 1: be acceptable and be like, funk off, she's done it,
Speaker 1: leave me alone, you know. So, But I guess just
Speaker 1: staying relevant and reinvent yourself and your brand. Some of
Speaker 1: the best pieces of advice for that. Okay, So it's
Speaker 1: a great question, honestly because because I find that, Look,
Speaker 1: I don't even have a nanny, and I don't say
Speaker 1: that to be a martyr. I say it because I
Speaker 1: want to raise my kids and I and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying people shouldn't have nanny's. I do have someone that
Speaker 1: helps me after school for like two hours so she
Speaker 1: can help the boys with homeworkers, parents doing school. That
Speaker 1: I just don't advise it. It's just like your kids
Speaker 1: don't want you to be that teacher, and you don't
Speaker 1: want to be that teacher. We all learned that in
Speaker 1: the pandemic. No, and so I think that, um, the
Speaker 1: staying relevant question is the best question. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why because people are always like, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't have to do this anymore, like you don't
Speaker 1: have to go to this stuff anymore, you don't have
Speaker 1: to like did it up? And it's not true. You
Speaker 1: actually do still have to appear at things that are important.
Speaker 1: It's different than when you're in your twenties and thirties,
Speaker 1: where you go to everything right, you go to everything.
Speaker 1: There's no edit, Like, if I don't go to this,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get hired. If I don't show my
Speaker 1: face at this, if I don't support this person, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. The thing is for me, I
Speaker 1: have this like mental list, okay, And it's sort of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this important for you for your job, for your career,
Speaker 1: for your like is this an important business decision for you?
Speaker 1: To show up at X whatever it is, like doing
Speaker 1: a shoot, showing up at it worked dinner, whatever that is? Okay?
Speaker 1: Does it check that box? Is it's something that is
Speaker 1: supporting a friend, whether that's a close designer that's in
Speaker 1: from Paris, whether it's one of your girlfriends, Okay, if
Speaker 1: it's someone super important in your life, you need to
Speaker 1: show up and support, right. And I think that the
Speaker 1: other box, of course, would it be that it's paying
Speaker 1: you a lot of money to show up somewhere, right,
Speaker 1: Because that's the biggest struggle as a parent. If I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss bath and bedtime and dinner with my kids,
Speaker 1: it has to check up one of those boxes, if
Speaker 1: not all. And if it doesn't check those boxes, I'm home. Now,
Speaker 1: the pandemic was a gift in the sense of I
Speaker 1: think for working parents that feel that constant pull between
Speaker 1: working kids working kids and have to travel a lot.
Speaker 1: To not leave my kids for like sixteen months. For me,
Speaker 1: because I happened to be obsessed with them, it was
Speaker 1: the greatest gift. Honestly, I'm schooling them and like getting
Speaker 1: to see everything. When I say homeschooling, I was not
Speaker 1: their teacher. We were lucky enough to have a teacher
Speaker 1: that was transformative and really just an incredible experience. But
Speaker 1: obviously wishing it wasn't a global pandemic, but just that
Speaker 1: time was really beautiful and really special. But I think
Speaker 1: staying relevant is a really hard task because you need
Speaker 1: to keep your name strong because ultimately that affects everything
Speaker 1: else right, and that affects the things. You get hired
Speaker 1: for the amount and you get paid for things the
Speaker 1: amount of people want you to do things right. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because there's those moments where you're like so
Speaker 1: over myself, like who's gonna hire me to do anything?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm so think on my name, I fit
Speaker 1: like who the hell? And then like I'll get offered
Speaker 1: some great thing that is like, and I'm like, why
Speaker 1: do they want that? You're like because your brand selves,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, okay, cool, Like you don't know
Speaker 1: that sometimes when you're in your own head, right. I
Speaker 1: bought the Rachel Zoe lamp the other day. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know it was your lamp. I was like, this
Speaker 1: lamp is dope. And then I looked at of course
Speaker 1: it's hers. No, I'm not, kind of I didn't I
Speaker 1: put I put it in it's a nurse Jamie's spat actually,
Speaker 1: because I was helping her we do she was doing
Speaker 1: a one over in Brentwood. You love that space, it's
Speaker 1: so gorgeous. Help design it. Yeah, And but I was like, Jamie,
Speaker 1: we're not doing and you know Jamie with her taste,
Speaker 1: and I can say this lovingly, but Jamie kind of
Speaker 1: get you know what I mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: She kind of throws some stuff in there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, Jame, this is a bad look. We had
Speaker 1: to we had to work. But anyway, so your lamp
Speaker 1: was I was like, this is gorgeous. And be so
Speaker 1: happy to hear that because it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just fun. Well, no, but it's because it's you,
Speaker 1: but it's your brain and whether it's a lamp, whether
Speaker 1: it's you know either even with Curator, which is another
Speaker 1: thing I want to get into so good, like the
Speaker 1: I'm not I know what I am in life and
Speaker 1: I can do the home design stuff, but like clothing
Speaker 1: and that's stylish and in terms of you know, getting
Speaker 1: myself dressed, I'm lazy. I'm t shirt chains, maybe some accessories.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're both a little boyish in that regard.
Speaker 1: I think that's sexy as hell. Like I love that.
Speaker 1: I love all of your like I look at your
Speaker 1: hands and I'm like those jewelries. And the next like
Speaker 1: where did your love of fashion? And then the second
Speaker 1: part of that is Curator allowing people like Aaron and
Speaker 1: I to make it dummy proof, like have a coolness
Speaker 1: m h exactly, So sort of like your love of
Speaker 1: the fashion and then how you're able to givet that
Speaker 1: with something like Curator. So the thing is with so funny,
Speaker 1: I'm looking to my right because I took these earrings
Speaker 1: off because I thought that I was going to put
Speaker 1: a headset on. I just want you to see these
Speaker 1: I had to see are these are ones in the box?
Speaker 1: I want to go in your closet. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: look at that next time casual virtual and I'll take
Speaker 1: you into the closet. But my love you, guys. Truthfully,
Speaker 1: I was born with it. I'd love to say I
Speaker 1: picked it up somewhere, but my mother is kind of
Speaker 1: like this Jewish list Taylor vibe and like she like
Speaker 1: rolls out of bed with like full face and makeup
Speaker 1: and jewelry and like my sister. It's funny. My mother's
Speaker 1: like I gave birth to you, guys the same way
Speaker 1: I would throw you in my jewelry closet. One would
Speaker 1: organize it and one would take everything. Who do you
Speaker 1: think I was? So? I think I was. I think
Speaker 1: it really is a little bit of d n A.
Speaker 1: I do um, But I really have always been in
Speaker 1: love with anything that's beautiful, like whatever it is, whether
Speaker 1: it's a home, a room, a tree, a person like
Speaker 1: it did it. I'm just attracted to um, things that
Speaker 1: are just beautiful and whatever that is, but all kinds
Speaker 1: of beauty, that's the thing. It's like, I I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I could just stare at a sunrise and take
Speaker 1: eight photos of it and are you okay? I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just so amazing. It's like, seriously, are you okay?
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just curator was created. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it the right right, So sorry, didn't I
Speaker 1: want to say, because you're like your fans curator, Okay, Curator,
Speaker 1: You're like, no, it's it's UM. But it's it's French
Speaker 1: for UM to curate, and basically it is. I've been
Speaker 1: hired throughout my entire career to curate for individuals, for brands,
Speaker 1: for different company, ease, for homes, whatever it is. It
Speaker 1: was always some form of curation, and cure Tour was
Speaker 1: created so that I could style as many women as possible,
Speaker 1: and it was sort of my mission with this business
Speaker 1: to be able to curate for all ways and be
Speaker 1: able to touch them in some way, because that was
Speaker 1: the thing over the last twenty plus years that people
Speaker 1: would be like, I wish you could style me. What
Speaker 1: would you wear of this? What do you like this season?
Speaker 1: Let's set it up and this is sort of my
Speaker 1: accessible answer to Okay, I love this shape bag for
Speaker 1: the season. I love a big gold statement necklace for
Speaker 1: for this season. I'm obsessed with this new face oil
Speaker 1: or lip product or whatever it is, but now way
Speaker 1: even more than that. So that's a quarterly that's every season,
Speaker 1: and as a member, you get it to liver to
Speaker 1: your door every season, right. But beyond that, we launched
Speaker 1: the Shot and the shop is kind of the answer
Speaker 1: to all of your sort of like shopping dreams, whether
Speaker 1: for yourself or for anyone in your life to buy
Speaker 1: gifts or anything like that. And it's things that I carry,
Speaker 1: um but at exclusive discounts. And you get all these
Speaker 1: different things by coming into our community and being a member,
Speaker 1: and it's just really fun. It's just a fun kind
Speaker 1: of community to be a part of. And we're launching
Speaker 1: all these different things we're going to start doing like
Speaker 1: I'm going to start doing like in conversations and things
Speaker 1: like that. So as a member, you get to ask
Speaker 1: me all these fun questions and it's a no brainer.
Speaker 1: I mean, my head and those blowing up, it's a
Speaker 1: no brainer. And it's a it's like you do care
Speaker 1: or just yes for you to put set aside for
Speaker 1: me to be like, this is how you smell magical,
Speaker 1: this is how you look dewey. This is a fabulous
Speaker 1: little new purse that we're going to wear this season.
Speaker 1: These are the hoops. This is that I don't even
Speaker 1: want to say if it's a scarf for recorchief because
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound stand out in front of you.
Speaker 1: So God, it's a no brainer. Good for you, I'm getting.
Speaker 1: I just know that I bought seven Massny blankets because
Speaker 1: you used to always have them, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to be cool like Rachel, and she loves Massoni.
Speaker 1: Do you see there you go, Rachel. I need to
Speaker 1: know right now what your favorite candle is at your
Speaker 1: house and what your favorite scent is, because you look
Speaker 1: like someone to me that you walk into your house
Speaker 1: and it's so soothing and fabulous and smells great. And
Speaker 1: I would grab your candle just like I did at
Speaker 1: my boss's house when we went to his fancy dinner,
Speaker 1: and I'd probably take a whiff of you and be like,
Speaker 1: what are you wearing? Because I feel like you're smells
Speaker 1: so great in person? What are you? Two things? So
Speaker 1: I have a bunch, but I would say my favorites. Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of Tom Forward fragrance that I love.
Speaker 1: Sante Brush will be probably my forever favorite. I also
Speaker 1: love sole Blanc. I love a lot, a lot of
Speaker 1: his fragrances. Um, I am in the middle. This is
Speaker 1: just a little teaser, but I'm about to finalize my
Speaker 1: premier fragrance. My name on it, like that will be
Speaker 1: my my like real like bathe myself in it every day.
Speaker 1: That's like you men, that's coming out soon. Candles okay,
Speaker 1: So Dipte, I'm obsessed with the labo. Um. I also
Speaker 1: like Barrato, but b y r D have the handwashing. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have some sort of coolness. But dipteeth teeth with
Speaker 1: the fig is that that is like it's just heaven.
Speaker 1: It's like you walk into the room and it's like
Speaker 1: there's just something about fig. It's not even like I
Speaker 1: like fix. It's just somehow in a candle and like
Speaker 1: in a room spray and things like that. The fig
Speaker 1: it's like figda or something, and it's I gotta try
Speaker 1: that because I was going for the black, the black
Speaker 1: candle whatever that was, like the babies or whatever. I
Speaker 1: have that one of my front entrance way as well.
Speaker 1: I have them smells like a guy because guess who's
Speaker 1: a guy. I like that one. My Montana said, so gorgeous.
Speaker 1: You guys are so gorgeous and you're trying to play
Speaker 1: off this hole like I'm like, dude, tomboy and I'm
Speaker 1: so we are, but you're not. I mean you maybe,
Speaker 1: but you don't look like it. Not that you're very sweet.
Speaker 1: So you've done so many differences really well, well we're
Speaker 1: kind of by the nature of our job, we're kind
Speaker 1: of like become more into that. Maybe, Like I'd be
Speaker 1: really embarrassed right now. So my kids, you guys will
Speaker 1: get a laugh about. This is gonna make you What
Speaker 1: are we doing? So I was texting with the soccer
Speaker 1: coach because I had a full panic. My kids have
Speaker 1: this like two hour soccer class with this amazing like
Speaker 1: English coach that I love. Here. Um, he's like straight
Speaker 1: out of Manchester and um, and I'm like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: super cute anyway, So I what I'm just saying, Um,
Speaker 1: aren't all soccer players cute? Like I just yeah, they
Speaker 1: have a thing. It's the europe It's the European thing.
Speaker 1: It is like once they start talking, I'm like okay,
Speaker 1: and the three different languages right into that exactly. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so I did him. I go, wait, is there anything
Speaker 1: I have to get besides cleats. I'm like, aren't there
Speaker 1: the things that go that they thing thingies? And he's
Speaker 1: like shin guards. I'm like yep, and he's like l
Speaker 1: O L. I'm like, do you think less of me?
Speaker 1: He's like a little okay, I don't tell you. I'm
Speaker 1: really I'm trying. I'm a boy mom kind of by
Speaker 1: like life mistake. I mean, it's the happiest thing that
Speaker 1: ever happened. But I'm thinking out as I go. So
Speaker 1: the equipment thing, you guys, I'm confused. I got the
Speaker 1: wrong cleats the first time for like for I think
Speaker 1: her for some other material. You're doing great. I'd be
Speaker 1: annoyed if you knew our world too and knew how
Speaker 1: to make your You can't be great at everything, Rachel
Speaker 1: really learning the sports mom thing as I go. Well,
Speaker 1: I saw in your Instagram they were cheering for the
Speaker 1: rams that you guys have that we're at a super
Speaker 1: Bowl party because that was Hey, they like what we do?
Speaker 1: How about this. We'll help you out with the NFL
Speaker 1: side of things. You help us out with everything else.
Speaker 1: Know being a every great in our house. You can
Speaker 1: come to my office do the back like you did
Speaker 1: with your books. I love it. Yes, I'm here for you.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're like a great trio. I love
Speaker 1: one thing. We have a lot of listener to Rachel
Speaker 1: who like younger females, and I always asking us, um
Speaker 1: professional advice, like how to get into the industry, like
Speaker 1: in a male dominated industry, all those things. What's one
Speaker 1: piece of really an a male dominated industry? We're in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I travel with for emails every single week. I'm the
Speaker 1: only female on the crew. It's fine. I have a
Speaker 1: great time, which is exactly why your husband needs to
Speaker 1: be secure too. Exactly. So going back to that previous
Speaker 1: point about rog you know, being confident, Um, what's the
Speaker 1: one piece of advice that you could that you wish
Speaker 1: you could go back and tell your younger son. I
Speaker 1: love that. Well, there's a lot um. There's a lot um.
Speaker 1: I would say, don't be scared to use your voice,
Speaker 1: especially in a male dominated world. And I ed it
Speaker 1: sometimes and I think in those days, if you used
Speaker 1: it as a female, you were perceived as difficult. Bit right, bitch,
Speaker 1: you're difficult. But now you'd be called a badass right
Speaker 1: now or men get called badass. When we would say,
Speaker 1: like if there was a lot of things I had
Speaker 1: to protect in my career and um, like whether it
Speaker 1: was clients or designers or you know, just just there
Speaker 1: were just a lot of decision There was a lot
Speaker 1: of like decision making that was made primarily by men
Speaker 1: um and so I would say that I would also say,
Speaker 1: you know, in what I've done throughout my career and
Speaker 1: probably similar to what you guys do, there was zero
Speaker 1: line between my personal and professional life and my work
Speaker 1: was my life. So that ran into events, dinners, you know,
Speaker 1: social life, whatever, whatever it was. There was no a
Speaker 1: vibe and inevitably what would happen was that people that
Speaker 1: I you know, hired or trusted, you know, they really
Speaker 1: there's people that don't have your back and people that
Speaker 1: do really crush you in the process. And I think
Speaker 1: that that's a lesson that you learn young, you know,
Speaker 1: because you're doe ide and you're excited and you're giving
Speaker 1: ten percent to everything you do, which I do now,
Speaker 1: but I'm much more apprehensive. Like I think what it
Speaker 1: is is, you know, wisdom comes with experience, right, and
Speaker 1: I think for me, the greatest wisdom is you have
Speaker 1: to really know the signs of a person that is
Speaker 1: not a good person um and I think for me
Speaker 1: that was the biggest learning. And I you know, I've
Speaker 1: been hurt in all different parts of my career, and
Speaker 1: you know, now you go at things with this really
Speaker 1: good lens and an even better instinct for people, and
Speaker 1: you see the red flags and you see the warning
Speaker 1: signs early on, and you know where to kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, stop something. And I think that's really
Speaker 1: for me. And I say that to young people all
Speaker 1: the time, because I think the hardest part about being
Speaker 1: young is that your naive and that comes with being young,
Speaker 1: Like it's almost the best thing about being young. It's
Speaker 1: like you have your whole life in front of you
Speaker 1: and you just assume the best of everybody. And at
Speaker 1: least I did, and I've always been that way. And
Speaker 1: you don't want to become um. You don't want to
Speaker 1: become that sort of like curmudge in person that like
Speaker 1: you don't don't you don't and it's and it's hard,
Speaker 1: and you don't you know, you don't want to become
Speaker 1: a hater. You don't want to become cynical. I'm just
Speaker 1: not that person. But I do really look at things
Speaker 1: differently and people differently that are going to be close
Speaker 1: to me in my world beyond work, um and people
Speaker 1: that you let a on your kids and into your
Speaker 1: you know, I want to go sit in your like kitchen.
Speaker 1: I feel like because you said mama zohe and I
Speaker 1: want to like have a chicouterie board and glasses of
Speaker 1: wine and just smell your candles and just talk to you.
Speaker 1: I think you're dream You were so nurturing. I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: Like I feel a calmness with you. I really do.
Speaker 1: You're so cute, I we The reason that I'm laughing
Speaker 1: is because this weekend full disclosure, I had one of
Speaker 1: the best nights of my life. What happened for his story?
Speaker 1: Like does it compare with like the Valentino Anniversary weekend
Speaker 1: in Rome and thousand nine or like you were there too?
Speaker 1: Amazing but like different different, But I threw a eleventh
Speaker 1: birthday party for my older son, which I can't believe
Speaker 1: it's eleven, well not yet, MARCHIONI second is his real birthday,
Speaker 1: but he did it with a friend of his it
Speaker 1: shares the same birthday. And we turned my backyard into
Speaker 1: a full on dance party. And that kid, we're not
Speaker 1: going to dance and they danced for four hours straight.
Speaker 1: We were like we were like dropping it like it's hot,
Speaker 1: like it's crazy, and we were like the embarrassing parents
Speaker 1: on the dance floor and we all had too much
Speaker 1: to drink. It was so fun to watch these kids
Speaker 1: just let go after two years of how mask and
Speaker 1: just have fun and be kids. And you know, but
Speaker 1: the CHARCOONERI board thing. Everyone was like, oh, just order pizza,
Speaker 1: get sliders. And what was I doing? Like pre party?
Speaker 1: I am mental? I like nine kinds of like different
Speaker 1: salamis cheeses and eight kinds of crackers, unlaying grapes and
Speaker 1: like Marcona almonds, and I was just it had to
Speaker 1: be the prettiest. I don't even know what that is.
Speaker 1: I don't God, yeah, girl, it's a I'm a terrible
Speaker 1: entertainer that way. I need to I need some tips
Speaker 1: from you. But what I think is so sweet rich
Speaker 1: to about what you said is you just talked about
Speaker 1: your eleven year old's birthday and there wasn't video games. No,
Speaker 1: but there wasn't video games, there wasn't iPhones, there wasn't
Speaker 1: i iPads. It was something free, which was dancing. Like
Speaker 1: that's an awesome departure from the world. You know, like Aaron,
Speaker 1: I don't have children, but I would be so terrified
Speaker 1: to raise children in this world for a number of
Speaker 1: different reasons, but all the social influences and like, how
Speaker 1: do you keep those babies protected but still keep their
Speaker 1: eyes wide open? Do you know what it's parenting? It
Speaker 1: really is, because I have so many friends that are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't raise my child in New
Speaker 1: York City. I don't. I don't know. I can't I mean,
Speaker 1: raising your kids in l A. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, with the exception of maybe
Speaker 1: like Minnesota or like I mean, you hear that almost everywhere,
Speaker 1: like it's it's not where. It's the parenting. Your children
Speaker 1: come out a certain way and the rest is up
Speaker 1: to you. And when you meet bullies, it's the parents.
Speaker 1: It's not the kid, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: can't blame kids, that's the thing. And ultimately, you just
Speaker 1: have two parent really hard. You just do. You got
Speaker 1: a mom hard and you know it's it does change everything.
Speaker 1: And I think people that say it doesn't it's not
Speaker 1: it's not true. At least for me. It does change everything,
Speaker 1: and it changes the way you look at life, and
Speaker 1: it changes the way you look at everything. But I
Speaker 1: guess what I would say is because I think you
Speaker 1: asked me early on Aaron about being an older mother
Speaker 1: or you know, I had sky think at thirty eight
Speaker 1: and I think at full alty one who want to
Speaker 1: say something something in and around there. And I was
Speaker 1: very blessed that I had them naturally. It's only now
Speaker 1: that I actually realized they were actual medical miracles, that
Speaker 1: I had them naturally. I don't think I realized it
Speaker 1: in the moment, because I don't think I felt that age,
Speaker 1: to be honest, and I don't think I realized that
Speaker 1: it was older until someone was like, oh, you have
Speaker 1: a geriatric pregnancy, which is a terrible Why go to
Speaker 1: doctor five? You gotta go get you. It's it's horrible,
Speaker 1: but I get it. They're trying to take care of you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a fun one to hear too. I
Speaker 1: was like, really, do I have Do I have a
Speaker 1: walker thirty five? Yeah? Yeah, Oh it's so much. That's
Speaker 1: another series. Oh boy, um, you're a dream. And I
Speaker 1: think I think you guys, you do you and don't
Speaker 1: let anyone judge do what feels right. There's no right
Speaker 1: or wrong having kids, not having them, having them at
Speaker 1: whatever age, it doesn't actually matter. You just have to
Speaker 1: do what feels right to you and don't follow other
Speaker 1: people's rule books. That doesn't work, you know. And you
Speaker 1: had that signature look of your their hair. As a
Speaker 1: person who's changed my hair seven hundred and fifty five times,
Speaker 1: you I went short, I went longer. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you have that signature look and it's cute. It's you have,
Speaker 1: as Aaron said, a warmth about you. I feel you
Speaker 1: make everyone feel like they know you. But it's authentic
Speaker 1: and kind and I look up to you so much
Speaker 1: your business, but also now and knowing what a great
Speaker 1: friend you are because you know your your friend group
Speaker 1: is an indication of who you are as a person,
Speaker 1: and when you have girlfriends for a long time, it
Speaker 1: means you're doing something right as well. So thank you
Speaker 1: so so much for sharing your time with us. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to smell like you. I'm gonna spray myself
Speaker 1: when it comes out. I'm gonna send you cannot say out.
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