1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Calm Down with Aaron and Carissa is a production of 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Okay and Pound you like to talk 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: with an accent? I really want an English accent, I 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: think because I want to go to Europe for a while. 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Maybe it'll rub off on me. Remember when Madonna thought 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: she had an English accent? No still does, right? Does she? 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Is it back? I think so. I don't know if 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: it ever laughed interesting. Um, I'm gonna tell you who's 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: not going anywhere because she's stuck with us for the 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: next forty five minutes. Rachel Zoe is our guest today, 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: and I'm singing because I'm so excited. I have always 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: been a fan of hers, and I watched the reality 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: show and we're singing, and I'm happy. I loved her 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: reality show. I've never been a style maven. I've never 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: known how to dress myself. It's not really been my thing. 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Fashion is not my life. But I have such respect 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: for people whose it is, and so whenever she was 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: like styling people for award shows and continues to do, 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: I just loved it. She's a designer, a businesswoman and author, 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: a mother, and an incredible wife to Roger. They've been 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: married for twenty five years or whatever it is. We'll 22 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: get into all of that. I'm really excited to have 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: her on the show today. Yeah, I know, looking forward 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: to it. I just anyone that's been able to juggle 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: everything that she has, entrepreneur, family, so many ideas. Just 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm so intrigued by people that actually, 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, make it all come true. And uh, I 28 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to her. Never I've never met her. 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: I've never met her either, and she just seems like 30 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: she's like that girl's girl you know that you want 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: to just grab a cocktail with. So coming up next, 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: Rachel Zone. Invitation. Yeah, invitation is the highest form of flattery, 33 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: and I feel like not to be like one of 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: those creepos, but like I've been doing that with you 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: for years now, like give me a chunky gold necklace, 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: all of the things. No, it's true, it's really nice 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: to meet you. I'm Charissa and before No, but I 38 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: feel like I know you from Sam Phipps. Um you 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: know Sammy? Well? Yeah, so I inherited her in my 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: marriage and she was friends with my husband. And yes, 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: I hear stories about you all the time. It seems 42 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: like your guys this group of friends like Kate Hudson 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: and with the Master Girls, Like, you guys have this 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: rad girl group, which is in a way it feels 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: like we all know you because you guys are always 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: together and posting in different things, but you have like 47 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: when I've met Sarah, it's like you guys or Kate 48 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: husband when I used to work at Extra, I was 49 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: going through a breakup and she like immediately was like, 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: give me your cell phone. We're going out tonight. We're 51 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: getting drinks. Like She's like, you guys just have this 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: awesome network of girls. Where does that come from? Like 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: where's the inception? Like who is the o G that 54 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: started this group? I mean I know you worked with them, 55 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: and that's an old o G. You guys have been 56 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: friends forever. Then you add Eric and all the flowers everything, 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: and all the flowers um well, to be very honest, 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: it was actually like like different parts. So Sarah Foster 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: and Kid Hudson I met literally basically on like the 60 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: same day in and around so Sam I've literally been 61 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: friends with since before we lived in l A. So 62 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: we were like having the best New York New York 63 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: sample and Sam up to move here to l A. 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: God probably like two thousand maybe right, And then I 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: was working here so much that I eventually, like in 66 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: two thousand and three, I was like, Babe, we have 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: no kids, were not tied to anything. We're workaholics. Like 68 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: ninety percent of my work is in l A now, 69 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: so like, let's just try it. If you don't like it, 70 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, New York is not going anywhere. So we 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: moved out here. But while I was doing that, I 72 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: was actually staying at the it used to be Learned 73 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Mattage Now it's another hotel in Beverly Hills, and I 74 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: was staying there and I was styling, and I remember 75 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: going up to this one suite for jewelry around Oscar 76 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: time and literally tripped over Kate and like I was 77 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: wearing like five pieces of jewelry, and Kate was like, 78 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: what are you wearing? And like we started just talking 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: about jewelry, and we were such kind of style soulmates 80 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: that we just started like I love what you're wearing. 81 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: A love it, and then we became friends. But what 82 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: ended up happening is I was taking so it was 83 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: when she was doing almost Famous, and I ended up 84 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: going to her house to bring her this Versacci dress 85 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: that she ended up wearing to the Oscars, and Sarah 86 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: opened the door. Now now we got a party, ladies 87 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Sarah was so young, and she was so hot, 88 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: not that she she's actually as hot today as she 89 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: was when I met her, when she was like she 90 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: must have been. Honestly, she must have been like nineteen. 91 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: I don't even know eight, I have no idea. But 92 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: she's wearing cut off dnim shorts, a white tank top 93 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: and ugs, and she answers the door. She's like on 94 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the phone, and it's almost like the rest was history. 95 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: Like I just got really close to Sarah. I got 96 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: really close with Kate. Kate and I started working together, 97 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: and then obviously, like I became close with Aaron, her sister, 98 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then it just kind 99 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: of in sam because she was in l A and 100 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: I was here. We just were always together. And then ironically, 101 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: like my oldest and her youngest ended up being in 102 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: kindergarten together, and then now neither of us actually go 103 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: to that school anymore. And then she moved to Manhattan 104 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: Beach and I moved to Brentwood, and you know, and 105 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: here we are. But my relationship with Sam will always 106 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: be one. That's like, if I don't see her for 107 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: six months or a year, we picked up exactly where 108 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: we left off. She's just the greatest person mine too. 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: When I go away for six months to work football 110 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: and then I, you know, re I do re entry 111 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, I'm back, She'll be like, Okay, 112 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: why don't we catching up one? But you just go 113 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: to the same crap, you know. Yeah, girl, girlfriends and 114 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: Air and I have been friends for a hundred years 115 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: from our sports background because we met doing the same 116 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: job and just girlfriends are so important. And you are 117 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: the queen though of long lasting relationship as a gal 118 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: that's on her second marriage. The fact that you and 119 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: Roger have been together since what right is that together? 120 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: So we've been together. We just celebrated this year this 121 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: past August, thirty years together. I mean, and Mary, what 122 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: is the yeah, what is help? What is the key? 123 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's weird. We really do recognize that it's 124 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: a bit of like a freak of nature thing, Like 125 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: we do understand it's not normal at all. Like I 126 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: actually think it's almost more normal to not stay together 127 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: that long, Like if you actually think about it, you guys, 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: to be with one person for life is a very 129 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: surreal concept right now, of course, and the true edition 130 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: of marriage, Like that's actually what it's supposed to be. 131 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: And if you asked me, allegedly, um, these days not 132 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: so much, but you know, I would say that a 133 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: couple of things, first and foremost, And I know it 134 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: sounds so obvious, but first and foremost trust. I have 135 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: never once in thirty years questioned what he's doing when 136 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: he's not with me, never once, And I think that 137 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: has so much to do with it. Um. Also, when 138 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: I was very young and I was building my career 139 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: and running around with like male actors and supermodels and 140 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: all these living this crazy life, and he was an 141 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: investment banker, not as crazy. I remember his friends being like, 142 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: how do you let her do that? Like how do 143 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: you just let her go and be with these guys 144 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: and travel around the world. And Roger always had this 145 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: approach of like if they can get her, they can 146 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: have her, you know, and are a concept that people 147 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: were like huh, because all his friends were like these 148 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: jealous guys that would like never let their girls out 149 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: of their sight whatever, and he was like, I don't 150 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: understand that, like, if there's a guy that can get you, 151 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: he can absolutely have you because it's it don't because 152 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. And also like at that point, 153 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: you don't want to be with me, right right. That 154 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: was more of his concept and it was so uh 155 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: it made so much sense, you know, and so and 156 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: it really worked, you know, like it really worked because 157 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: I did whatever and I never I never straight I 158 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: never thought about it. And if you asked me my 159 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: whole life, I would have said, I'm not the marrying type. 160 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be able to be with what. I 161 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: was boy crazy, just like my kids are girl crazy. 162 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: I love boys. I had million boyfriends. I was never alone. 163 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: The day before I met him, I had just gotten 164 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: out of like my umpteenth serious relationship, and I was like, 165 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find myself. I'm gonna be alone. I 166 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: don't want to date anyone for at least a year. 167 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't even want to meet a guy. Met him 168 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the next day. I've been with him thirty years. So 169 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: here I am. It makes sense? What well? It works? 170 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: It works for us. The name of your And that's 171 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: where we started in honestly, because to your point. It's 172 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: what every single person we meet is, like what how 173 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: you work together your parent together? I don't understand how 174 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: that even works. And you know the truth is, I 175 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: mean we're very much like Lucy and Ricky. I mean 176 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: we bicker, but like our recovery time is what ten seconds? 177 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: And I think I think a lot of it too. 178 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: I think there's a big misconception about marriage. You hear 179 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: people say very often like when they associate marriage with 180 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: like um part of their life, they go, well, marriage 181 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: is hard. Marriage is is really hard, And I think 182 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: rog nited that are always like that's where you're actually wrong, 183 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: like like well, and I always say, it's so funny. 184 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: It's like everything else in life is hard. Like we're 185 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: the easy part, Like your husband and wife. That should 186 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: be where you come home and you're like, it's like 187 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: your safe person, it's your easy let your guard down, 188 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: just be you. Like that should be the thing that's 189 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: the most effortless thing in your life. It should never 190 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: be the challenge. The minute it's the challenge, I think 191 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: that's where you have to like take a step back 192 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: because this is your forever right, So not that it 193 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: doesn't have like ups and downs, because of course it 194 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: does any relationship, does you know, I just don't think 195 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: it should be. It's very Aaron's parents are still together, 196 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: My parents are still together. So I'm just always in 197 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: awe and envious of of that. So kudos to you. 198 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: It should never be overlooked because it is, especially in 199 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: the world that you guys live in. You know, to 200 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: have that anchor that keeps you and you know you 201 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: said it. You let you be you and you let 202 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: be him. So it's a beautiful, beautiful relationship. Just observing 203 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: from let me ask because I am so intrigued and 204 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: I was dying to just talk to you with how 205 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: much you juggle, with how much you have your hands 206 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: in and my gosh, fashion social media, I mean on 207 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: Bravo back in the day. Um now, wallpaper, all of 208 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: the I mean I was sending lengths of it to 209 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: my sister today and I was like, this is so 210 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: good for you for your apartment and to give you 211 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: some life. You know who else is in wallpaper and 212 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: did my house in Montana? Samantha Phipps and wallpaper. She 213 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: changes your life. But before we get to that, I 214 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: have to ask you, Rachel, with you involved in so 215 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: much and I don't know how you operate in terms 216 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: of I have so many ideas and I have so 217 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: many things. I am trying really hard in my marriage 218 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: almost of five years. Who um to stay present and 219 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: you where your feet are and give him the time 220 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: he needs, especially when I'm not during my season. How 221 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: do you do that with your marriage with your kids? 222 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: What do you do? Well? Okay, so here's the thing. Um. 223 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, we just launched our second venture fund, and 224 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: I think, you know, my biggest thing that I've become 225 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: really obsessed with over the last year or two is 226 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: really having my hands in a lot of different businesses 227 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: and really like consulting, advising, investing, UM. And I think 228 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: all the other things like you mentioned the wallpaper and 229 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: fragrance and all these other things. I'm it's weird. I'm 230 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: a creative person. I'm definitely a creative person. I've been 231 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: my whole life before I even knew it. And I 232 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: think when you're a creative person, there's this um kind 233 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: of like this ticking thing in your body that like 234 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: explodes if you're not stimulated right, and you have to 235 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: like project that creativity on everything you do. And so, 236 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: for example, I'm just gonna say, like my office, right, 237 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: I must remerch and restyle these shelves like twice a week. 238 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: Like I'll just be on the phone with someone and 239 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: stand up and start like re styling books and things. 240 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: So you're dying, And so I think, I think to 241 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: that extent, I think my career for me, I've never 242 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: planned any of it, not my books. Everything I ever 243 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: said no to I did. I was like, oh god, no, 244 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: I'd never write a book on any read books? Who 245 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: was time? You know? And and you know and TV 246 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: shows like I'm never letting anyone in my life like 247 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: all those things. But I think there's a time and 248 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: a place, and I've definitely always been governed by my 249 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: gut instinct for things. And when opportunities come, it's not 250 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: always the right time. It's not always the right Um, 251 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: people that you want to do business with, And I 252 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: think those things kind of pull you into things now 253 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: becoming a mom and and much later in life. By 254 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: the way, Um, I'm olderier and I we Roger and 255 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: I were together. Brace yourself. When I tell people this 256 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: out loud, it sounds crazy. We were together for eighteen 257 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: years before we had children. But I remember you got 258 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: and again because your life was out there the idea 259 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: with your show, it was weird, not weird, that's not 260 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: it was well, no, it was just you were you 261 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: were just this like dynamo and continue to be right 262 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: with like the business side and Aaron and I have 263 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: talked about this for a long time. When is the 264 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: right time to have kids or how it's going to 265 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: disrupt my business? And so then when you you know, 266 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: to think now with your children, like who knew what 267 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: your life looked like before those boys? Right? Because now 268 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: there the whole world, and so when is that right 269 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: time to shift up and what made it change for 270 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: you guys and decide like, hey, we need to do 271 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: this and we want to do this now time, really time, 272 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: because you know, it's a weird thing because I was 273 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: this weird hybrid of a completely career obsessed, perfectionist workaholic 274 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: from my whole adult life. Those types of people are 275 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: not typically people that you say, oh, she's going to 276 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: be a mom, she needs to be a mom, you know. 277 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: But weirdly, since I was sixteen fifteen, I was always 278 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: called like mom's oh or you know, I was always 279 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: the mom. I was always the one taking care of everybody. 280 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: I was always the one, you know, just I was 281 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: the shoulder they cried on. I was the ear I 282 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: was at this. It was all those things. And then 283 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: when all my friends started having children, it was funny 284 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: because I'd be the one adult that was invited to 285 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: kid's birthdays that had no kids, and I would be 286 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: the one out there playing with kids while all the 287 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: parents were like drinking wine in an amazing, flowing down 288 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: designer gown as she's out there, like seriously, as I 289 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: was definitely a nails I was, definitely, but it was weird. 290 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: So this I was very, very conflicted because I knew 291 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: in my soul that I had to be a mother 292 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: because I loved children. I loved them. What I couldn't 293 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: solve for was how in God's name I was going 294 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: to have time to do that. And I was like, 295 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: how I don't even have time to shower. I sleep 296 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: four hours a night, you know what I mean? Like 297 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm living the most ridiculous life. And then, as you 298 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: may have seen on the show, I got very sick 299 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine and I got vertigo that 300 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: was debilitating for about a year, and ultimately, like your 301 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: body sometimes makes decisions and just says, you know what, 302 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: guess what, just kidding you can't live like this anymore? 303 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: And um, you know, I would attribute it to say 304 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: I was probably collapsing of sorts from exhaustion, you know. 305 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: And then Roger and I one day we were just like, 306 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: oh god, I'm getting old, Like agree kind of need 307 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: to do this, and what do we do? You know, 308 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: it was sort of like how do I get a baby? 309 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: It was sort of like, right, how do I do this? 310 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: We started around and I got pregnant. Honestly, It's funny. 311 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: I was pregnant for nine weeks before I even realized 312 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: I was pregnant because we weren't trying. We weren't not trying, 313 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: but weren't trying. Yeah, I was just working. And then 314 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: I just remember finding out I was pregnant in the 315 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: summer of two thousand and ten, and I just remember, like, 316 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: you know, those pregnancy tests you take them and it 317 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: takes like, you know, it takes like a minute to 318 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: see what color, what what what plus sing or whatever, 319 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: and there's like four of them in a box. Girls, 320 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: I took four them. They took five seconds to come 321 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 1: up with the answer. It was like you were strong. 322 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: There was no. Yeah, that's funny, my luck. I'd be like, 323 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: is that another line? Is it not a line? Like? 324 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: So there was no. It looks crooked. So but the 325 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: truth is, you guys, I remember taking this hospital tour 326 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: when I was like eight and a half months pregnant, 327 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: and I remember at Cedars and I left the hospital 328 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: and I got in the car and I go, nope, 329 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: can't do it, and round really because what are you 330 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: doing that we're doing because you want to see section. 331 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: I go, no, no, I can't do that. I'm freaking out, 332 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: like I don't don't. I don't know how to give birth. 333 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: He's like, nobody knows how to give birth. I'm like, 334 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: you could say a word about this, You're just gonna 335 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: stand there like looking at me. And you know, I was. 336 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: I was in a full panic, like I could have 337 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: stayed pregnant for like five years, like that was fine. 338 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: I was just like not ready. And then all of 339 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, like sky was in my hands and it 340 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: was almost like my life just went upside down and 341 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: backwards with love and I froze for like a year. 342 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: I couldn't get my head out of like him, you know, 343 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: in terms of I'm not leaving it. I don't think 344 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: I left him for like three years, like, and then 345 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: I had my second one. I just took him everywhere, honestly, um, 346 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: and you know, after Caius, like it's weird. By the 347 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: second one, you're sort of like, Okay, I can do both. 348 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: I can. I got this, you know. But I what 349 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: I did in all honestly, I think because I was 350 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: an older mom and I kind of had already, I 351 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: felt my career set up, so to speak. I was 352 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: able to bring my kids to work. Your businesses, yes, 353 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: but then in my company, six girls had babies the 354 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: same time as me, and I immediately opened a nursery 355 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: in my office because I was like, no way, I'm 356 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: bringing my baby and they're not bringing their babies. So 357 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: everyone had their babies. It was the cutest thing in 358 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: the whole. It was the best. Honestly, it was the best. 359 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: And we'll do the best, boss then, because now you're creating, well, 360 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: now you're creating a work environment that is family. And 361 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: now they're invested because you're invested. And that's the whole 362 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: thing that Aaron and I are learning, you know, with 363 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: her very successful clothing line, and I started a team apparel, Rachel. 364 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: It's not like you by anyways. I have a I 365 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: have an NFL Like you know what I'm saying, it's 366 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: team apparel, but I know, but it's Rachel's over. That's 367 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: so cool, you know, it's freaking questions for you. I mean, 368 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: Jesus wait soon, yeah yeah, yeah, so I was. I know, 369 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: we only have so much time with you and we 370 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: have this is like that thing where it's like you 371 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: want like hours with you because the entrepreneur brain of 372 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: Aaron and I like want to just dive into yours 373 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: because you've been so successful in all of your businesses. 374 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: So what did you specifically want to ask her? Oh? 375 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: I just think you know the god I have, Rachel, 376 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions. Um no, So number 377 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: one on the thing, please do I think just reinventing 378 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: yourself I mean, and also just staying relevant. You've been unbelievable. 379 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you've been a household name forever. And thank 380 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: you for having babies later in your life. You've made 381 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: it great for forty three year olds like me to 382 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: be acceptable and be like, funk off, she's done it, 383 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: leave me alone, you know. So, But I guess just 384 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: staying relevant and reinvent yourself and your brand. Some of 385 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: the best pieces of advice for that. Okay, So it's 386 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: a great question, honestly because because I find that, Look, 387 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: I don't even have a nanny, and I don't say 388 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: that to be a martyr. I say it because I 389 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: want to raise my kids and I and I'm not 390 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: saying people shouldn't have nanny's. I do have someone that 391 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: helps me after school for like two hours so she 392 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: can help the boys with homeworkers, parents doing school. That 393 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: I just don't advise it. It's just like your kids 394 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: don't want you to be that teacher, and you don't 395 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: want to be that teacher. We all learned that in 396 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: the pandemic. No, and so I think that, um, the 397 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: staying relevant question is the best question. I'm gonna tell 398 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: you why because people are always like, well, I mean, 399 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: you don't have to do this anymore, like you don't 400 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: have to go to this stuff anymore, you don't have 401 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: to like did it up? And it's not true. You 402 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: actually do still have to appear at things that are important. 403 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: It's different than when you're in your twenties and thirties, 404 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: where you go to everything right, you go to everything. 405 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: There's no edit, Like, if I don't go to this, 406 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get hired. If I don't show my 407 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: face at this, if I don't support this person, blah 408 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. The thing is for me, I 409 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: have this like mental list, okay, And it's sort of like, Okay, 410 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: is this important for you for your job, for your career, 411 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: for your like is this an important business decision for you? 412 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: To show up at X whatever it is, like doing 413 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: a shoot, showing up at it worked dinner, whatever that is? Okay? 414 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: Does it check that box? Is it's something that is 415 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: supporting a friend, whether that's a close designer that's in 416 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: from Paris, whether it's one of your girlfriends, Okay, if 417 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: it's someone super important in your life, you need to 418 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: show up and support, right. And I think that the 419 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: other box, of course, would it be that it's paying 420 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: you a lot of money to show up somewhere, right, 421 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: Because that's the biggest struggle as a parent. If I'm 422 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: gonna miss bath and bedtime and dinner with my kids, 423 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: it has to check up one of those boxes, if 424 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: not all. And if it doesn't check those boxes, I'm home. Now, 425 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: the pandemic was a gift in the sense of I 426 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: think for working parents that feel that constant pull between 427 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: working kids working kids and have to travel a lot. 428 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: To not leave my kids for like sixteen months. For me, 429 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: because I happened to be obsessed with them, it was 430 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: the greatest gift. Honestly, I'm schooling them and like getting 431 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: to see everything. When I say homeschooling, I was not 432 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: their teacher. We were lucky enough to have a teacher 433 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: that was transformative and really just an incredible experience. But 434 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: obviously wishing it wasn't a global pandemic, but just that 435 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: time was really beautiful and really special. But I think 436 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: staying relevant is a really hard task because you need 437 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: to keep your name strong because ultimately that affects everything 438 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: else right, and that affects the things. You get hired 439 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: for the amount and you get paid for things the 440 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: amount of people want you to do things right. And 441 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: it's funny because there's those moments where you're like so 442 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: over myself, like who's gonna hire me to do anything? 443 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm so think on my name, I fit 444 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: like who the hell? And then like I'll get offered 445 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: some great thing that is like, and I'm like, why 446 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: do they want that? You're like because your brand selves, 447 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, okay, cool, Like you don't know 448 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: that sometimes when you're in your own head, right. I 449 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: bought the Rachel Zoe lamp the other day. I didn't 450 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: even know it was your lamp. I was like, this 451 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: lamp is dope. And then I looked at of course 452 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: it's hers. No, I'm not, kind of I didn't I 453 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: put I put it in it's a nurse Jamie's spat actually, 454 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: because I was helping her we do she was doing 455 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: a one over in Brentwood. You love that space, it's 456 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: so gorgeous. Help design it. Yeah, And but I was like, Jamie, 457 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: we're not doing and you know Jamie with her taste, 458 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and I can say this lovingly, but Jamie kind of 459 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: get you know what I mean? You know what I mean? 460 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: She kind of throws some stuff in there. I'm like, 461 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: oh no, Jame, this is a bad look. We had 462 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: to we had to work. But anyway, so your lamp 463 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: was I was like, this is gorgeous. And be so 464 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: happy to hear that because it's just I don't know, 465 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: it's just fun. Well, no, but it's because it's you, 466 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: but it's your brain and whether it's a lamp, whether 467 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: it's you know either even with Curator, which is another 468 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: thing I want to get into so good, like the 469 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: I'm not I know what I am in life and 470 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: I can do the home design stuff, but like clothing 471 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: and that's stylish and in terms of you know, getting 472 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: myself dressed, I'm lazy. I'm t shirt chains, maybe some accessories. 473 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're both a little boyish in that regard. 474 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: I think that's sexy as hell. Like I love that. 475 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: I love all of your like I look at your 476 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: hands and I'm like those jewelries. And the next like 477 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: where did your love of fashion? And then the second 478 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: part of that is Curator allowing people like Aaron and 479 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: I to make it dummy proof, like have a coolness 480 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: m h exactly, So sort of like your love of 481 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: the fashion and then how you're able to givet that 482 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: with something like Curator. So the thing is with so funny, 483 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking to my right because I took these earrings 484 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: off because I thought that I was going to put 485 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: a headset on. I just want you to see these 486 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: I had to see are these are ones in the box? 487 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: I want to go in your closet. Oh my gosh, 488 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: look at that next time casual virtual and I'll take 489 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: you into the closet. But my love you, guys. Truthfully, 490 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: I was born with it. I'd love to say I 491 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: picked it up somewhere, but my mother is kind of 492 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: like this Jewish list Taylor vibe and like she like 493 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: rolls out of bed with like full face and makeup 494 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: and jewelry and like my sister. It's funny. My mother's 495 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: like I gave birth to you, guys the same way 496 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: I would throw you in my jewelry closet. One would 497 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: organize it and one would take everything. Who do you 498 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: think I was? So? I think I was. I think 499 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: it really is a little bit of d n A. 500 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: I do um, But I really have always been in 501 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: love with anything that's beautiful, like whatever it is, whether 502 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: it's a home, a room, a tree, a person like 503 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: it did it. I'm just attracted to um, things that 504 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: are just beautiful and whatever that is, but all kinds 505 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: of beauty, that's the thing. It's like, I I don't know, 506 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: like I could just stare at a sunrise and take 507 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: eight photos of it and are you okay? I'm like, 508 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: it's just so amazing. It's like, seriously, are you okay? 509 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just curator was created. I'm 510 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: gonna say it the right right, So sorry, didn't I 511 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: want to say, because you're like your fans curator, Okay, Curator, 512 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: You're like, no, it's it's UM. But it's it's French 513 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 1: for UM to curate, and basically it is. I've been 514 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: hired throughout my entire career to curate for individuals, for brands, 515 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: for different company, ease, for homes, whatever it is. It 516 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: was always some form of curation, and cure Tour was 517 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: created so that I could style as many women as possible, 518 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: and it was sort of my mission with this business 519 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: to be able to curate for all ways and be 520 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: able to touch them in some way, because that was 521 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: the thing over the last twenty plus years that people 522 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: would be like, I wish you could style me. What 523 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: would you wear of this? What do you like this season? 524 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: Let's set it up and this is sort of my 525 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: accessible answer to Okay, I love this shape bag for 526 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: the season. I love a big gold statement necklace for 527 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: for this season. I'm obsessed with this new face oil 528 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: or lip product or whatever it is, but now way 529 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: even more than that. So that's a quarterly that's every season, 530 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: and as a member, you get it to liver to 531 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: your door every season, right. But beyond that, we launched 532 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: the Shot and the shop is kind of the answer 533 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: to all of your sort of like shopping dreams, whether 534 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: for yourself or for anyone in your life to buy 535 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: gifts or anything like that. And it's things that I carry, 536 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: um but at exclusive discounts. And you get all these 537 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: different things by coming into our community and being a member, 538 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: and it's just really fun. It's just a fun kind 539 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: of community to be a part of. And we're launching 540 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: all these different things we're going to start doing like 541 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to start doing like in conversations and things 542 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: like that. So as a member, you get to ask 543 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: me all these fun questions and it's a no brainer. 544 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean, my head and those blowing up, it's a 545 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: no brainer. And it's a it's like you do care 546 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: or just yes for you to put set aside for 547 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: me to be like, this is how you smell magical, 548 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: this is how you look dewey. This is a fabulous 549 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: little new purse that we're going to wear this season. 550 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: These are the hoops. This is that I don't even 551 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: want to say if it's a scarf for recorchief because 552 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to sound stand out in front of you. 553 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: So God, it's a no brainer. Good for you, I'm getting. 554 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: I just know that I bought seven Massny blankets because 555 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: you used to always have them, and I was like, 556 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: I want to be cool like Rachel, and she loves Massoni. 557 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: Do you see there you go, Rachel. I need to 558 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: know right now what your favorite candle is at your 559 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: house and what your favorite scent is, because you look 560 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: like someone to me that you walk into your house 561 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: and it's so soothing and fabulous and smells great. And 562 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: I would grab your candle just like I did at 563 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: my boss's house when we went to his fancy dinner, 564 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: and I'd probably take a whiff of you and be like, 565 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: what are you wearing? Because I feel like you're smells 566 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: so great in person? What are you? Two things? So 567 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: I have a bunch, but I would say my favorites. Okay, 568 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: I have a lot of Tom Forward fragrance that I love. 569 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: Sante Brush will be probably my forever favorite. I also 570 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,239 Speaker 1: love sole Blanc. I love a lot, a lot of 571 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: his fragrances. Um, I am in the middle. This is 572 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: just a little teaser, but I'm about to finalize my 573 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: premier fragrance. My name on it, like that will be 574 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: my my like real like bathe myself in it every day. 575 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: That's like you men, that's coming out soon. Candles okay, 576 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: So Dipte, I'm obsessed with the labo. Um. I also 577 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: like Barrato, but b y r D have the handwashing. Yes, 578 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: I have some sort of coolness. But dipteeth teeth with 579 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: the fig is that that is like it's just heaven. 580 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: It's like you walk into the room and it's like 581 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: there's just something about fig. It's not even like I 582 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: like fix. It's just somehow in a candle and like 583 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: in a room spray and things like that. The fig 584 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: it's like figda or something, and it's I gotta try 585 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: that because I was going for the black, the black 586 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: candle whatever that was, like the babies or whatever. I 587 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: have that one of my front entrance way as well. 588 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: I have them smells like a guy because guess who's 589 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: a guy. I like that one. My Montana said, so gorgeous. 590 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: You guys are so gorgeous and you're trying to play 591 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: off this hole like I'm like, dude, tomboy and I'm 592 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: so we are, but you're not. I mean you maybe, 593 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: but you don't look like it. Not that you're very sweet. 594 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: So you've done so many differences really well, well we're 595 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: kind of by the nature of our job, we're kind 596 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: of like become more into that. Maybe, Like I'd be 597 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: really embarrassed right now. So my kids, you guys will 598 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: get a laugh about. This is gonna make you What 599 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: are we doing? So I was texting with the soccer 600 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: coach because I had a full panic. My kids have 601 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: this like two hour soccer class with this amazing like 602 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: English coach that I love. Here. Um, he's like straight 603 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: out of Manchester and um, and I'm like, yeah, I'm 604 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: super cute anyway, So I what I'm just saying, Um, 605 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,239 Speaker 1: aren't all soccer players cute? Like I just yeah, they 606 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: have a thing. It's the europe It's the European thing. 607 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: It is like once they start talking, I'm like okay, 608 00:32:53,960 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: and the three different languages right into that exactly. Um. Anyway, 609 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: so I did him. I go, wait, is there anything 610 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: I have to get besides cleats. I'm like, aren't there 611 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: the things that go that they thing thingies? And he's 612 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: like shin guards. I'm like yep, and he's like l 613 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: O L. I'm like, do you think less of me? 614 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: He's like a little okay, I don't tell you. I'm 615 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: really I'm trying. I'm a boy mom kind of by 616 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: like life mistake. I mean, it's the happiest thing that 617 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: ever happened. But I'm thinking out as I go. So 618 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: the equipment thing, you guys, I'm confused. I got the 619 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: wrong cleats the first time for like for I think 620 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: her for some other material. You're doing great. I'd be 621 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 1: annoyed if you knew our world too and knew how 622 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: to make your You can't be great at everything, Rachel 623 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: really learning the sports mom thing as I go. Well, 624 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: I saw in your Instagram they were cheering for the 625 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: rams that you guys have that we're at a super 626 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: Bowl party because that was Hey, they like what we do? 627 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: How about this. We'll help you out with the NFL 628 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: side of things. You help us out with everything else. 629 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: Know being a every great in our house. You can 630 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: come to my office do the back like you did 631 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: with your books. I love it. Yes, I'm here for you. 632 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: I feel like we're like a great trio. I love 633 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: one thing. We have a lot of listener to Rachel 634 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: who like younger females, and I always asking us, um 635 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: professional advice, like how to get into the industry, like 636 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: in a male dominated industry, all those things. What's one 637 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: piece of really an a male dominated industry? We're in it. Yeah, 638 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: I travel with for emails every single week. I'm the 639 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: only female on the crew. It's fine. I have a 640 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: great time, which is exactly why your husband needs to 641 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: be secure too. Exactly. So going back to that previous 642 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: point about rog you know, being confident, Um, what's the 643 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: one piece of advice that you could that you wish 644 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: you could go back and tell your younger son. I 645 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: love that. Well, there's a lot um. There's a lot um. 646 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: I would say, don't be scared to use your voice, 647 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: especially in a male dominated world. And I ed it 648 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: sometimes and I think in those days, if you used 649 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: it as a female, you were perceived as difficult. Bit right, bitch, 650 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: you're difficult. But now you'd be called a badass right 651 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: now or men get called badass. When we would say, 652 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: like if there was a lot of things I had 653 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: to protect in my career and um, like whether it 654 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: was clients or designers or you know, just just there 655 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: were just a lot of decision There was a lot 656 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: of like decision making that was made primarily by men 657 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: um and so I would say that I would also say, 658 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: you know, in what I've done throughout my career and 659 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: probably similar to what you guys do, there was zero 660 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: line between my personal and professional life and my work 661 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: was my life. So that ran into events, dinners, you know, 662 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 1: social life, whatever, whatever it was. There was no a 663 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: vibe and inevitably what would happen was that people that 664 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: I you know, hired or trusted, you know, they really 665 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: there's people that don't have your back and people that 666 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,839 Speaker 1: do really crush you in the process. And I think 667 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: that that's a lesson that you learn young, you know, 668 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: because you're doe ide and you're excited and you're giving 669 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: ten percent to everything you do, which I do now, 670 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: but I'm much more apprehensive. Like I think what it 671 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 1: is is, you know, wisdom comes with experience, right, and 672 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: I think for me, the greatest wisdom is you have 673 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: to really know the signs of a person that is 674 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: not a good person um and I think for me 675 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: that was the biggest learning. And I you know, I've 676 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: been hurt in all different parts of my career, and 677 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, now you go at things with this really 678 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: good lens and an even better instinct for people, and 679 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: you see the red flags and you see the warning 680 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: signs early on, and you know where to kind of 681 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: like you know, stop something. And I think that's really 682 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: for me. And I say that to young people all 683 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: the time, because I think the hardest part about being 684 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: young is that your naive and that comes with being young, 685 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: Like it's almost the best thing about being young. It's 686 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: like you have your whole life in front of you 687 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: and you just assume the best of everybody. And at 688 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: least I did, and I've always been that way. And 689 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: you don't want to become um. You don't want to 690 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: become that sort of like curmudge in person that like 691 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: you don't don't you don't and it's and it's hard, 692 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,479 Speaker 1: and you don't you know, you don't want to become 693 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: a hater. You don't want to become cynical. I'm just 694 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: not that person. But I do really look at things 695 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: differently and people differently that are going to be close 696 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: to me in my world beyond work, um and people 697 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: that you let a on your kids and into your 698 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, I want to go sit in your like kitchen. 699 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: I feel like because you said mama zohe and I 700 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: want to like have a chicouterie board and glasses of 701 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: wine and just smell your candles and just talk to you. 702 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: I think you're dream You were so nurturing. I'm obsessed. 703 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: Like I feel a calmness with you. I really do. 704 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: You're so cute, I we The reason that I'm laughing 705 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: is because this weekend full disclosure, I had one of 706 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: the best nights of my life. What happened for his story? 707 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: Like does it compare with like the Valentino Anniversary weekend 708 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: in Rome and thousand nine or like you were there too? 709 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: Amazing but like different different, But I threw a eleventh 710 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: birthday party for my older son, which I can't believe 711 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: it's eleven, well not yet, MARCHIONI second is his real birthday, 712 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: but he did it with a friend of his it 713 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: shares the same birthday. And we turned my backyard into 714 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: a full on dance party. And that kid, we're not 715 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: going to dance and they danced for four hours straight. 716 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: We were like we were like dropping it like it's hot, 717 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: like it's crazy, and we were like the embarrassing parents 718 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: on the dance floor and we all had too much 719 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: to drink. It was so fun to watch these kids 720 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: just let go after two years of how mask and 721 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: just have fun and be kids. And you know, but 722 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: the CHARCOONERI board thing. Everyone was like, oh, just order pizza, 723 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: get sliders. And what was I doing? Like pre party? 724 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: I am mental? I like nine kinds of like different 725 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: salamis cheeses and eight kinds of crackers, unlaying grapes and 726 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: like Marcona almonds, and I was just it had to 727 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: be the prettiest. I don't even know what that is. 728 00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't God, yeah, girl, it's a I'm a terrible 729 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: entertainer that way. I need to I need some tips 730 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: from you. But what I think is so sweet rich 731 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: to about what you said is you just talked about 732 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 1: your eleven year old's birthday and there wasn't video games. No, 733 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: but there wasn't video games, there wasn't iPhones, there wasn't 734 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: i iPads. It was something free, which was dancing. Like 735 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 1: that's an awesome departure from the world. You know, like Aaron, 736 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't have children, but I would be so terrified 737 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: to raise children in this world for a number of 738 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: different reasons, but all the social influences and like, how 739 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: do you keep those babies protected but still keep their 740 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: eyes wide open? Do you know what it's parenting? It 741 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: really is, because I have so many friends that are like, oh, 742 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't raise my child in New 743 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: York City. I don't. I don't know. I can't I mean, 744 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: raising your kids in l A. I don't know. But 745 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, with the exception of maybe 746 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: like Minnesota or like I mean, you hear that almost everywhere, 747 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: like it's it's not where. It's the parenting. Your children 748 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: come out a certain way and the rest is up 749 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: to you. And when you meet bullies, it's the parents. 750 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: It's not the kid, you know what I mean. You 751 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: can't blame kids, that's the thing. And ultimately, you just 752 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: have two parent really hard. You just do. You got 753 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: a mom hard and you know it's it does change everything. 754 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: And I think people that say it doesn't it's not 755 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: it's not true. At least for me. It does change everything, 756 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: and it changes the way you look at life, and 757 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: it changes the way you look at everything. But I 758 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: guess what I would say is because I think you 759 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: asked me early on Aaron about being an older mother 760 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: or you know, I had sky think at thirty eight 761 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: and I think at full alty one who want to 762 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: say something something in and around there. And I was 763 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: very blessed that I had them naturally. It's only now 764 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: that I actually realized they were actual medical miracles, that 765 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: I had them naturally. I don't think I realized it 766 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,280 Speaker 1: in the moment, because I don't think I felt that age, 767 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: to be honest, and I don't think I realized that 768 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: it was older until someone was like, oh, you have 769 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: a geriatric pregnancy, which is a terrible Why go to 770 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: doctor five? You gotta go get you. It's it's horrible, 771 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: but I get it. They're trying to take care of you. 772 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a fun one to hear too. I 773 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: was like, really, do I have Do I have a 774 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:16,439 Speaker 1: walker thirty five? Yeah? Yeah, Oh it's so much. That's 775 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: another series. Oh boy, um, you're a dream. And I 776 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: think I think you guys, you do you and don't 777 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: let anyone judge do what feels right. There's no right 778 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: or wrong having kids, not having them, having them at 779 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: whatever age, it doesn't actually matter. You just have to 780 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: do what feels right to you and don't follow other 781 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: people's rule books. That doesn't work, you know. And you 782 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: had that signature look of your their hair. As a 783 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: person who's changed my hair seven hundred and fifty five times, 784 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: you I went short, I went longer. Oh my god, 785 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: you have that signature look and it's cute. It's you have, 786 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: as Aaron said, a warmth about you. I feel you 787 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 1: make everyone feel like they know you. But it's authentic 788 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: and kind and I look up to you so much 789 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: your business, but also now and knowing what a great 790 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,720 Speaker 1: friend you are because you know your your friend group 791 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: is an indication of who you are as a person, 792 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,360 Speaker 1: and when you have girlfriends for a long time, it 793 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: means you're doing something right as well. So thank you 794 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: so so much for sharing your time with us. I 795 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: can't wait to smell like you. I'm gonna spray myself 796 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: when it comes out. I'm gonna send you cannot say out. 797 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: Calm Down with Aaron and Carissa is a production of 798 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 799 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever 800 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.