1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: The Michael vari Show. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Is on the air. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: When they see Barack Obama, people remember a time in 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 3: America where there was unity. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 4: When Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 4: could have been my son. 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: I intend to keep this promise. 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: If you like your healthcare plan, you'll be able to 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: keep your healthcare plan. 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 4: According to the gutans or origin or antipatheatery. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: People who aren't like that, And I think to myself, 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: what a wonderful. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 4: Another issue that confronts all democracies as they move to 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: the future. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: Is how we deal with the past. 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: The United States is still working through some. 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: Of our own darker periods in our history. 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 4: Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 4: the past treatment of Native America. 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: And they do myself wonderful. 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: You know that we can't just drill our way to 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: lower gas prices. There are no quick fixes or silver bullets. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: If somebody tells you there are, they're not telling you 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 3: the truth. 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 4: If you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish, 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: you just have to flood a country's public square with 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: enough law sewage. You just have to raise enough questions, 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 4: spread enough dirt, plant enough conspiracy, theorizing that citizens no 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 4: longer know what to believe once they lose trust in 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: their leaders, the mainstream media, and political institutions. 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: In each other. 33 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: In the possibility of truth. 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 2: The game's won. 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: The President earlier today was drug prices. It's something that 36 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: he's been working very hard on and trying to get 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: drug prices down. And you might say, well, wait a second, Michael, 38 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: you're mister libertarian and economic policies. I am, but you 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: also have to realize that, unfortunately, we have to come 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: at these things in a manner other than purely academic. 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: This is an applied science because there is a framework. 42 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: We live in, a regulatory framework. Government has grown so 43 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: big and so involved that in order to solve some 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: of the problems that government has created, it does require 45 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: some action. And there is something wrong about the fact 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: that pharmaceutical companies are charging these incredible rates to American 47 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: consumers and such lower rates abroad, when the reason for 48 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: the lower rates is other countries negotiate those they demand them. 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: And the unfortunate thing with socialized medicine, which we have 50 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: a version of, I'm sorry to say, is that our 51 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: insurance system has now Insurance and medicare have now taken 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: taken over the process. And doctors will tell you this. 53 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: They're not practicing medicine the way they want to. The 54 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: only people who are are concierge doctors and concierg's doctor. 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: It's a hard it's a hard practice. I got one 56 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: from my dad. She's an endochronologist and a family practice doctor, 57 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and we have been so happy with her. You want 58 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: to know how happy we've been with her. The other 59 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: night she sent me a picture. She and my dad 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: were watching a baseball game together, or series game together, 61 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: because she had promised him she would come by the 62 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: old folks home and watch the game with him. He 63 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: doesn't go into the big room with everybody else and 64 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: watch TV because they get on his nerves. That's where 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: I get it from. I come by it, honestly. But 66 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: he sits in his room and watches TV, and he 67 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: loves sports. And she came by and watched the game, 68 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: and they went over all his blood sugar readings and 69 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: all that, and he was just so happy. His doctor 70 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: comes to him. But for most doctors, they're now in 71 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: this grind of seventy or more patients per day. So 72 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: there you are waiting, you know, one thing goes wrong. 73 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, when they don't have enough TSA agents. 74 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Now at the airports, they're reducing the number of restricting 75 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: the number of flights that can go out because they 76 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: don't have enough people working government employees working at the 77 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: airports to safely, they say, safely get people through the 78 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: airport in a reasonable amount of time. I've had several 79 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: people tell me of wait times of five hours or 80 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: more and in almost every one of those cases, and 81 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: then the plane is canceled. So it's not enough that 82 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: they were stuck waiting that long. They never got on 83 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: the plane to go where they were going. You think 84 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: about people with vacations coming up or whatever else, and 85 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: they've planned for this the whole year, and then you're 86 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: stuck at the airport. What a bummer. This is the 87 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: Schuber shutdown. This is what it's led to. But I 88 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: did want to say something on the issue of the pharmaceuticals. 89 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: I think this is a noble undertaking of the president, 90 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: and I think this is where Donald Trump understands how 91 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: to win elections and how to properly govern in a 92 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: way that brings Democrats into the fold. Republicans don't know 93 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: how to talk about things like this. They sound stiff. 94 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: They sound like your grandfather trying to give you the 95 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: sex talk the first time he mentions birds and the bees. 96 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: You're tuned down. They sound out of touch. They don't 97 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: sound like they can relate to people. And the reason 98 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: is because they're not relatable people. They're stiff, and especially 99 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: by the time they get to the Senate, they live 100 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: in such a bubble that there is no relatability. There's 101 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: no accessibility to average, everyday Americans going through normal lives. 102 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi announcing today that she will not seek reelection. 103 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: She was going to get beaten. She's being challenged by 104 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I believe the woman's estate rep in California. I need 105 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: to check again. She is in her twentieth term. That's 106 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: forty years, forty years. I don't know what she's going 107 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: to do, Ramon. She'll be out of office in a 108 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: little over a year. She'll only be eighty six. I 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: guess she'll go work somewhere else. We have got a 110 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: real problem in this country with old people refusing to 111 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: leave positions of power. I guess you'll have to shut 112 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: down her trading account. Huh, because I don't know how 113 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: she'll make all the money without the inside information. And 114 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: poor Paul, my god, can you imagine Paul with her 115 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: coming home. He'll have to he'll, I guess he'll have to. 116 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: Maybe they'll build a shed or something, or maybe he 117 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: can get a little stash apartment, a stab in Kevin, 118 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, somewhere around while she's home, because that's gonna 119 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: be weird. I don't think she'll go for that. Who 120 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: knows who, you just don't know. I hope she goes 121 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: home to San Francisco and has to live in the 122 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: squalor of the results of the policies, the consequences. You 123 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: ever think about how much evil San Francisco has vomited 124 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: onto this country. Willie Brown, his Mattress, Kamala Harris, Harris, 125 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, my goodness, I love to say, hey, kid, 126 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: but you can't make up for it. That's just too much. 127 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: That is just too much. Well, we got to have 128 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: term limits, Michael, or note we don't. We have term limits. 129 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: It's called elections. Show up and vote. It's that simple, 130 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: show up and vote. If you have term limits, you 131 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: just make the bureaucrats more powerful. You know, I'm going 132 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: to talk in a minute about weight loss drugs, and 133 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a bunch of people mad, And that's 134 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: fine because the truth does that and be a simple 135 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: It's the Michael Berry Show, simple man. Several people have 136 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: asked why I didn't spend more time talking about Dick Cheney. 137 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why anyone wants me to talk about 138 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney, but I'm gonna set the clock ramon when 139 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: I start. I will speak for one minute on Dick Cheney, 140 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: and then I want to move on. My not speaking 141 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: should have spoken volumes or how I feel about the issue, 142 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: but I'll do so now. I don't know what Dick Chene. 143 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: He was like as a personal human being, as an individual, 144 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: was a husband, as a father. But I think Dick 145 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: Cheney did great harm to this country. I think Dick 146 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Cheney's warmongering because he was a profiteer of the war process. 147 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: I think that cost the lives of a lot of 148 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: very good people. And I've met some of the people 149 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: who had to pick up the pieces afterwards. And I 150 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: speak for a group called PTSD Foundation of America. Camp 151 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: Hope and that organization is where veterans help veterans cope 152 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: not commit suicide. These veterans, over twenty per day who 153 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: take their own lives have experienced horrible things, unspeakable things 154 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: that I will never understand. I don't understand brain trauma. 155 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. 156 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: It is. 157 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow through that minute Romo. 158 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: Ship it though. 159 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: Ramon's over there going excuse me, Uh, it's been a 160 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: it's been a minute. I don't understand brain trauma. I 161 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: don't understand it when it's blunt force. I don't understand 162 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: it when when a when a guy is concussed on 163 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: a football field or hit with a baseball. I don't 164 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: understand it when it's not a physical injury but it's 165 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: purely mental. I don't understand that. I don't understand it 166 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 1: because I don't have the tools or the experience to 167 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: understand it. I was starting to buddy of mine yesterday. 168 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: I called him the Aggie Plumber. He's got a plumbing 169 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: shop with him and his son out in College Station, Texas. 170 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: And I love this story partly because I'm I'm a 171 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: little bit of a part of it. But his son 172 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: decided he didn't want to go to the school where 173 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: he was going anymore, and he did. His son decided, 174 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to go to college. 175 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: Dad. 176 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: You didn't go to college. Grandpa didn't go to college. 177 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: And we're a third generate. We could be a third 178 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: generation plumbing company. I've been working for you weekends and summers. 179 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: I want to work for you, work full time. So 180 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: my buddy called and said, can you believe he said this? 181 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: That's crazy? I said, what's wrong with it? You did 182 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. Well, yeah, but I want something 183 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: for my kid. Well you want something better. Better, You 184 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: own your own business. You've been married for twenty years, 185 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: You've got I've always got ten kids or so, I've 186 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: got a bunch of kids. Traditional Catholic, white Catholic, but Catholic. 187 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: It don't matter Hispanic or white Catholics. Just somehow Catholics 188 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: are just like, honey, we hadn't had a baby in 189 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: nine months, or we hadn't had a baby in a month. 190 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: Time you get pregnant again. Well I was watching my stories, 191 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: I know, but get in here real quick. We got 192 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: to make another baby. I guess that's what Catholics do. 193 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. I don't know how Catholics 194 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: make so many babies, but they do anyway. So he 195 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: says to his son, well, let me talk to your 196 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: mom about it. So he he calls me and said, 197 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: what do you think? I said, I love it. His 198 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: name's Eli, great kid, I said, listen, what's the point 199 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: of him sitting in class being bored out of his mind? 200 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: He's a smart kid. Sometimes the kids that have the 201 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: most trouble in school are not dumb kids, but really 202 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: smart kids. Because it's kind of one size fits all, 203 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: and so if you're too far above or too far 204 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: below the mean, then you're checked out. And by the way, 205 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: you're already half checked out when you're a young man. Anyway, 206 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: your hormones are flowing. All you're caring about is what 207 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: Susie's wearing today. And she's braided her hair, and it's 208 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: making you crazy. And she's put that she squirted that 209 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: love potion on and it's that smell is just making 210 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: you crazy. And she's painted her nails and she's got 211 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: little boobs coming in and she's wearing a skirt today, 212 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: and boy, you can't concentrate. And people really don't understand. 213 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: I was preaching on this yesterday. People really don't understand 214 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: what's going on in the male mind at that age. 215 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: And it's all we can do to keep these bulls 216 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: in the pen and not release them out to just 217 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: go crazy. So anyway, I said, it's a great thing. 218 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: What's the point of him sitting in class if he 219 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: knows what he wants to do in life as you 220 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: did when you were a young man. So every day 221 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: he gets up in the morning, sixteen years old, goes 222 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: to work with his dad, and guess what, He's got 223 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: money in his pocket. He's bought himself a truck. He 224 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: loves what he's doing, and he's doing his schooling online. 225 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: It turns out, now I don't know, you can look 226 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: wherever you are in the country, but UT does this. 227 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: They did a Texas Tech program and you can go 228 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: online and you can actually buy some of them are free. 229 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: You can buy high school graduation, you know, a senior year, 230 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: junior year in the state of Texas. I know that 231 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: you've got these sites where that the universities have created 232 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: where you just you literally log in every day and 233 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: here's what you do, all right, work through these problems. 234 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Here's the answer over here, and here's your grade, and 235 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: you got this wrong, and go back and fix this, 236 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: and it's self taught. Now. I know a lot of 237 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: people will say, well, no, no, you need to go 238 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: in there and you need to sit in the classroom. 239 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: But I don't believe that most of life is self taught. 240 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: And if you need to rely on someone else to 241 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: structure the learning process for you, and you think that 242 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: the only place learning occurs is in a classroom, there 243 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: are a lot of people that seem to believe that 244 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: that once they graduate high school, they got their certificate, 245 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: they don't have to learn anymore. Life is about learning. 246 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: That's the beautiful thing about it. You should be growing 247 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: and learning every day all day. Speaking of which, you 248 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: are going to love, Love Love. My guest coming up. 249 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: He's with Tpusay's faith group. Charlie Kirk was part of 250 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: this book, but he's written You're gonna like this, stay 251 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: enjoy it. After September twelfth, I received a number of 252 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: calls from folks, emails from folks people had to be 253 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: talking to, and they would say, I didn't realize what 254 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: turning point was, or I just knew the name Charlie Kirk, 255 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: but I didn't know that much about what he was doing, 256 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: and then to a person they said, but I've gone 257 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: back and looked at the YouTube videos and this man 258 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: is doing something amazing. It's incredible what he was doing. 259 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: And then they talk about, you know, being hopeful that 260 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: this will launch this organization and bigger, which is of 261 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: course what Charlie would have wanted. And I have referred 262 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: to him as he said that he wanted to be 263 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: remembered as an evangelist, and that is such a powerful thing, 264 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: not a political organizer, an evangelist. He was a political organizer, 265 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: he was a cultural force, but he was an evangelist 266 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: and that's the most important thing. And as I've said, 267 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: he was an evangelist on par with Billy Graham. And 268 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: I mean that we have another evangelist with us today. 269 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: It's our honor to welcome to the program for the 270 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: first time turning Point Pastor Lucas Miles. Welcome, good sir, Hey, 271 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: thanks for having me on new book Pagan Threat, Confronting 272 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: America's Godless Uprising. I always ask what to say. I 273 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: always start interviews like this, discussions like this with the 274 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: first the same question, what do you hope to accomplish 275 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: with this. 276 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope to bring awareness to I think an 277 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: imminent danger in this nation. It's already really among us, 278 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 5: and it is what I would call this pagan threat. 279 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 5: As honored to serve Charlie Kirk for the last eighteen 280 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 5: months or to do, yeah, you know, kind of introduce 281 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 5: this concept talking about him. And I've been the senior 282 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: director of tposa faith overseeing the faith arm of Turning 283 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 5: Point USA underneath his leadership, and it's you know, I'm 284 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: more resolved now than ever, obviously through the lens of grief, 285 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 5: but we know what the mission is, and Charlie understood 286 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 5: this threat. I believe ultimately it's his threat that took 287 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 5: his life, and that is an intentional esurping of Christian 288 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 5: values and the dominant Christian worldview in this nation to 289 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 5: replace and supplant it with a post Christian and pagan 290 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 5: ideology for a very intentional purpose, in order to have 291 00:17:54,600 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 5: Marxism embraced. Marxism cannot coexist in a Christian society. They're 292 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 5: antithetical to one another. But if you can supplant and 293 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 5: deconstruct that Christian worldview and replace it with a marx 294 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 5: or with a Pagan worldview and demoralize the American people. 295 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: Now you have a shot of getting Marxism accepted. 296 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 5: And so we're seeing a very intentional, bought and paid 297 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 5: for revival among a you know, those who hold to 298 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 5: a false ideology to try to counteract I believe what 299 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 5: God's doing in this nation. 300 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: So obviously we have this conversation in the shadow of 301 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 1: the Mamdani election. How does that affect a book that 302 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: you would have completed before it was clear he was 303 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: going to win. 304 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, Mondani was. 305 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 5: I think a perfect example of this is that we 306 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 5: have this intersection of several things at once. We have 307 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 5: this intersection of specifically, you know, islamisis and a Marxist 308 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 5: and these two things don't really you know, work together. 309 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 5: Muslims and Marxists don't have the same playbook. But we're 310 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 5: seeing with this Marxist overlay a you know, it's sort 311 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 5: of the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and 312 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 5: they're finding ways to work together and to even co 313 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 5: identify together to gain momentum. When you understand that the 314 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 5: engine that's driving so much on the left is what 315 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 5: is known as the Hegelian dialectic, and basically what Hagel 316 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 5: put out there was the German philosopher that you have 317 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 5: in order to move forward in history and gain progress, 318 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 5: that you have to have conflict, and that conflict is 319 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 5: driven by what he called the thesis of the day, 320 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 5: basically the dominant worldview colliding with the antithesis, and that 321 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 5: you intentionally introduce the antithesis for the purpose of creating 322 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 5: that conflict and chaos, because on the other side of 323 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 5: that will be a melding, and that will be this 324 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: synthesis that comes out on the other side. So if 325 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: we do this very quickly, you have capitalism. Free market 326 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 5: at one time was the thesis of America. And you 327 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 5: put against that the opposite, the antithesis, which is socialism, 328 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 5: and what do you get on the other side. 329 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,479 Speaker 2: You get democratic socialism. 330 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 5: And so that becomes kind of this new thing that 331 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 5: has the language of the free market, but is still 332 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 5: being driven by the radicalism of the socialist agenda. We've 333 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 5: seen the same thing happen with Mandani, where it is, 334 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 5: you know, democratic socialism has become kind of the norm 335 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 5: in a place like New York City. That's what the 336 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 5: average person on the street holds to. Now, what's the 337 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 5: opposite of that. The opposite of that is the Islamis 338 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 5: estate that is a total you know, totalitarian religious velidant 339 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: movement that is completely antithetical to this socialist, you know position. 340 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: But you put those two things. 341 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 5: Together, and now you have a candidate on the other 342 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 5: side that's electable because he's a democratic socialist Muslim, and 343 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 5: so he has the form and the language of a 344 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 5: democratic socialist, but the agenda of an a Islamicist. And 345 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 5: now he's in position to be able to be mayor 346 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 5: of New York City and drive that that radicalism further 347 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 5: into kind of the ethos, you know, of that. 348 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: Of that city. 349 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Charnie Kirk wrote the intro to the book, How does 350 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: it be? What goes through your mind when you look 351 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: at the book and you see his name as the forward, 352 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: the author of the forward? 353 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 5: You know this is uh, It's difficult, you know. 354 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: I mean, I. 355 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 5: The book came out the week after Charlie is martyred. 356 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 5: That was pre scheduled, you know, it had been pushed 357 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 5: actually several times. It was originally going to come out 358 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 5: in the summer, and there were delays with publishing and 359 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 5: everything else that happened all the time, and it got 360 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 5: pushed until until September. 361 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: And you know, just. 362 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 5: Knowing first off that Charlie understood the threat and he 363 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 5: understood what was at stake every single day, and yet 364 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 5: he was still willing to place himself in positions to 365 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: be able to influence the younger generation, even at the 366 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 5: risk of threat of life and personal peril. And you know, 367 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 5: he did this day after day, sometimes three and four 368 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 5: events a day. I mean, Charlie worked harder than anybody 369 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 5: that I'd ever seen. And he was the most integrity 370 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 5: filled person. What he said from you know, the microphone 371 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 5: is what he lived in his real life, and it's 372 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 5: how he led, you know, as a boss and a 373 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 5: leader and a visionary. 374 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: And I'm honored. 375 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 5: It's kind of forever twined us in many ways. But 376 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 5: there's there's nobody else I'd rather have part of this 377 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 5: book than him. It's obviously helped fuel a lot of 378 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 5: the success of the book, is even his involvement with 379 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 5: it at that time, and it's it's I can't help 380 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 5: but just you know, see that what the enemy intends 381 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 5: for evil, God, God, you know, looks for ways to 382 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 5: bring good on the other side of that. 383 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: And certainly this. 384 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 5: Revival and this movement and the awareness that's happening. You know, 385 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 5: it gives me more hope for this nation and for 386 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 5: the Gospel. Knowing that people are waking up and I think, 387 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 5: you know, recognizing their need for a savior. 388 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: And the importance of the Cross. 389 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: You use the word revival, and there's a good Southern 390 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: Baptist to grow up on the revival circuit. That's what 391 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: I have described it as. I don't remember a revival 392 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: in my lifetime on this scale, and I relate it 393 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: all to what happened and the good work of TPUSA. 394 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: Our conversation with Pastor Lucas Miles about his book Pagan 395 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising. Stay tuned more. This is 396 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: so Michael Berries Show. Pastor Lucas Miles is our guest. 397 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: He's written a book called Confronting America's Godless Uprising Pagan 398 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: Threat Confronting America's Godless Uprising, the forward by his friend 399 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: and TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk. Of course we lost September tenth. Lucas, 400 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: talk to me for a moment. I know we want 401 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: to talk about the book, but talk to me about 402 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: how things have changed for turning Point USA. After Charlie's 403 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: I say assassination, you say martyrdom. I'm very comfortable with 404 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: that term as well. Talk to me about how that 405 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: has changed for the organization. 406 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there has been a ground sweld support 407 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 5: that has just encircle us here at turning Point that 408 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 5: has really helped fuel the work that Charlie started and 409 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 5: the work that we continue to do. We are so 410 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: great full for the prayers, the letters, the you know, 411 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 5: our donors are just you know, boots on the ground 412 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 5: out there saying how can I help? And there have 413 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 5: been countless vigils around the country honoring Charlie. In the 414 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 5: days and weeks that followed his death, there have been, 415 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 5: you know, just a just a massive influx of pastors 416 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 5: and churches that want to get on board. We had 417 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 5: just to give you an idea, about four thousand churches 418 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 5: on September tenth that were already part of TPUSA Faith. 419 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 5: We have since gone to eight thousand churches. We have 420 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 5: doubled in sixty days what it took us several years 421 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 5: to be able to build. And so we are growing 422 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 5: at an exponential rate right now. And we have a 423 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 5: deep bench. You know, Charlie nobody. Nobody is going to 424 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 5: be Charlie Kirk. There's nobody that can fill his shoes. 425 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 5: There's nobody that can be exactly who he was. And 426 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 5: he fulfilled I believe, a divine purpose in his generation. 427 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: He did what he was called to do. 428 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 5: His life was was snuffed out early because of an 429 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 5: evil you know, violent you know, agenda and force and 430 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 5: and and individual that you know took it upon himself 431 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 5: to try to silence Charlie and and it's it's demonic. 432 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: But I will say. 433 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 5: That that, you know, Charlie gather around himself a very 434 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 5: a very deep bench of people who were like minded 435 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 5: that that that had the same result that he had, 436 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 5: the same heart that he had. And we are bound together, 437 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 5: you know, to to see his mission continue. And I 438 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 5: always say to Charlie, you know, Charlie knew how to 439 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 5: build and find gladiators. And that's really when you look 440 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 5: at TPUs A and t BUSA faith the individuals here 441 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 5: are a lot of them are very young. 442 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: I'm I'm you know, I'm probably I'm at forty six. 443 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: I'm on the top end of the scale. 444 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 5: Here of a turning point, you know, But it is 445 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 5: our staff. Even though they're young, they are so dedicated, 446 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 5: so strong, and have so much grit and they just don't stop. 447 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 5: And this is the spirit that's always been here at 448 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 5: turning point. It's the spirit that's going to continue. I 449 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 5: think it's even stronger now than it's ever been before. 450 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 5: And so you know, certainly we're serving through the lens 451 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 5: of grief right now and that's not. 452 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: Just going to go away. 453 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 5: But we're in great hands our c suites and amazing 454 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 5: Erica now has been you know, Charlie's widow has been 455 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 5: named as a CEO. I spent a little bit of 456 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 5: time with her this week and some meetings, and she 457 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 5: is She's just amazing. It's obvious that God's hands on her. 458 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 5: She is just resilient, she's dedicated to this mission. She's 459 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 5: you know, just blocking out the noise. And we're just 460 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 5: getting to work doing you know, this job of not 461 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 5: only you know, creating the most conservative generation, but from 462 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 5: my department standpoint, in the faith department, the most Christian generation. 463 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: And we're not going to stop till we accomplish that. 464 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: I do believe that. And what's fascinating, and I've said 465 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,239 Speaker 1: this minute many times, and obviously Donald Trump recognized it. 466 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was not only saving souls and teaching about 467 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: the fundamentals of American virtue, but he was doing that 468 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: to an audience that typically we've not been successful at reaching. 469 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: And that's what made this so incredibly special. Lucas, I 470 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: will get back to the book, but tell me how 471 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: you got involved with all of this, and I would 472 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: be interested in your testimony. Yeah, Absue. 473 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 5: So I've been pastoring the same church for going on 474 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: twenty one years now in just outside of south of Indiana, 475 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 5: near the University of Notre Dame, and that's born and 476 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 5: raised that area, had moved away for a while, started 477 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 5: preaching at seventeen, planted the church at twenty four, and 478 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 5: I'm still doing that today in my mid forties. And 479 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 5: I had been brought into the ecosystem of Turning Point 480 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 5: USA and TPUSA Faith. 481 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: I think that one of the staff. 482 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 5: Here had gotten a hold of one of my previous 483 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 5: books called The Christian Left that came out kind of 484 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 5: around COVID, exposing a lot of the infiltration of progressive 485 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: thought within the church and kind of calling out some 486 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 5: of the early iterations of woke pastors and things. And 487 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 5: they brought me into a couple of pastor summits where 488 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 5: I spoke at for TPUSA Faith and had the opportunity 489 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 5: to kind of slowly build a relationship with Charlie. I 490 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 5: first met him in twenty twenty and you know, by 491 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 5: twenty twenty three had a pretty good rapport that had 492 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 5: developed with him, had been on his show a couple times, 493 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 5: had done an event with him that he brought me 494 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 5: in where he interviewed me for about an hour plus 495 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 5: in front of a big audience on my book Woke Jesus, 496 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 5: and was just always so open handed and generous, and 497 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 5: although we were doing somewhat similar things on the faith side, 498 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 5: there was never a spirit of competition. He was just 499 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 5: always like, you're like minded, let's let's empower you, Let's 500 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 5: let's get you out there, let's and he just helped 501 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 5: use really the platform that he had built and to 502 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 5: amplify the work that I was doing. It was it 503 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 5: was very remarkable and uncommon, even in the Christian space 504 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 5: for somebody to be that generous. 505 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: He had shared with. 506 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 5: Me privately a little over a year and a half 507 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 5: ago that that they were, you know, working on some 508 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 5: things in the faith department and he really had a 509 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 5: vision for the need for a pastoral figure kind of 510 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 5: at the helm of TPUs, a faith to lead the 511 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 5: staff on a on a day to day basis and 512 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 5: really kind of have one foot in operations and one 513 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 5: foot in the pastoral doctrinal oversight, you know, of where 514 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 5: we were going. And previous to this had been a 515 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: lot of operational uh you know direction kind of boots 516 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 5: on the ground, but but less so on the pastoral 517 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 5: you know, role. And so he kind of created this 518 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 5: new position. And he told me that they were, you know, 519 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 5: beginning to search, and I had shared with him, I said, 520 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 5: you know, very happy being where I was totally not 521 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 5: thinking about anywhere on my bingo card of having working 522 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 5: for Charlie Kirk on there, I just said, hey, if 523 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 5: you help that in't somebody let me know, I'll fly 524 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 5: out here on my own dime, make sure you find 525 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 5: the right fit and kind of share with them a 526 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 5: couple of thoughts I had on what they needed to 527 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 5: look for, and he said, I might take you up 528 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 5: on that. And about three weeks after he called me 529 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 5: and said, hey, I found. 530 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: Somebody, it's you. When can you start? 531 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 5: And so I was completely caught me off guard, but 532 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 5: I knew as soon as the words came out Charlie's 533 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 5: mouth that it was a god It was a God 534 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 5: ordained moment. And my whole experience with Charlie felt like that. 535 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 5: It just always every moment felt special, every moment felt unique. 536 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 5: There was just something on his life, and he had 537 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 5: just seemed to have no wasted time, no idle moments, 538 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 5: and just you know, lived his life so efficiently in 539 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 5: doing what God had called him to do, from how 540 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 5: he learned to how he you know, shared with others, 541 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 5: to how he spent time with his family like he 542 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 5: was just so intentional and taught me a lot. Even 543 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 5: though I'm you know, I had fifteen years on him. 544 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 5: I learned a tremendous amount from him just watching him 545 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 5: and being around him. And so I've been honored to 546 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 5: be on the team now for about eighteen months overseeing 547 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 5: our faith operations, and we're excited about what comes next 548 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 5: and just to keep it hit the legacy going. 549 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: We've been on the phone for fifteen minutes. That's the 550 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: entirety of what I know of you. But I can 551 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: already see what He saw in you, and it's amazing 552 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: that great people surround themselves with great people. And that's 553 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: how you build even bigger things. And you don't worry 554 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: about who gets credit for things. You can't bother to 555 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: be jealous. You build something big and great. And I 556 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: can see that I do want to talk about the book. 557 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: I owe you that just one moment. Pastor Lucas Miles 558 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: is our guest. The book is pagan threat, confronting America's 559 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: godless uprising.