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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The breakfast Club morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envy jesselairiishalla mean the guy we are

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Speaker 2: the breakfast Club. We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 2: but car E Sellers.

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Speaker 1: What's up? What's up?

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to be back. Man feeling Man, I feel

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Speaker 3: really good, more blessed than I deserve.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: I like that hoodie right there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, official, you know we got to represent our girls.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Don Staley, Shout out to Kamilla Cardoza,

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Speaker 3: my lady game Cox.

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Speaker 4: For sure, you've been on the lady game Cox. I

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Speaker 4: mean for a long time. All right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my wife went to the USC, so I have too.

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Speaker 5: But what made you start supporting the lady game Cox?

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Speaker 3: Coach Staley, I mean, I believe in her. She's a

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Speaker 3: good friend of mine. She's like a sister or aunt.

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Speaker 3: She keeps her real with you. If my daughters can

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Speaker 3: grow up and be like Coach Daley, I think that

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Speaker 3: they would be amazing women. I mean what she does

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Speaker 3: for the community, there is no I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: a woman who's contributed more to basketball, sport, black womanhood.

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Speaker 4: Than Coach Staley.

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Speaker 1: And I just appreciate her. Y'all have y'all had her

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Speaker 1: up here yet?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a few years ago we got to get it back.

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Speaker 1: Then three championships in Now, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Your new book, The Moment, Yes, okay? Is your thoughts

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Speaker 4: on the race reckoning that wasn't? Why is it? Well?

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Speaker 4: First of all, the title, why the title?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty twenty one, when we were all

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Speaker 3: George Floyd be murdered on camera, I thought about why

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Speaker 3: not justice, but accountability. Justice is George Floyd still being here?

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Speaker 3: And at that point, maybe it's my youthful naivete, but

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Speaker 3: actually having that racial reckoning. You know, those were the

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Speaker 3: been going backwards. Sob sixteen hundred books band. You see

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Speaker 3: what's happening with the attacks on diversity, equity and inclusion.

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Speaker 3: You see the abortion bill in Arizona from the eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 3: and so you know, I wrote this book about that moment.

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Speaker 3: I was on TV with Felonious Floyd, who spoke before me,

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Speaker 5: What made you That's a great point you brought up

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Speaker 4: Going to change. What made you have a more audacity

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Speaker 5: Did George Floyd situation or Barack Obama being elected.

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Speaker 3: you know, God works in mysterious ways because he always

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Speaker 3: uses somebody that you would not imagine to bring people together.

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Speaker 3: And nobody would imagine that the person or the vessel

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Speaker 1: The way people reacted to it, or the white lash.

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Speaker 2: Now, you just mentioned you said things went backwards? Right,

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Speaker 2: Why do you think things went backwards? Because you had,

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of white people in this country

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Speaker 4: Ronald Trump was was white last too.

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Speaker 5: And do you think that Democrats might have did themselves

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Speaker 3: Let me be extremely clear, there was no person more

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Speaker 4: But this is a sexist country.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of misogyny involved in it.

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Speaker 3: This was Hillary Clinton was a death by a thousand cuts.

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Speaker 3: I mean they had been they had been ostracizing and

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Speaker 4: Our daughters there, thinking were about to seem had our spouses.

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Speaker 1: I drink. I went to bed early.

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Speaker 1: I was done. I couldn't watch it no more. Man,

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Speaker 5: Said, Hillary doesn't get in the White House. So when

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Speaker 5: something happens like a George Floyd, can you have a

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Speaker 5: true racial reckoning if you don't have people in positions

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't think we have, you know, for

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of race.

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Speaker 3: starting to see black and brown voters come back to

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden and wake up. People are paying attention. And

439
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Speaker 3: I think that Donald Trump has a very with a

440
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,960
Speaker 3: low ceiling and a high floor. So he's gonna be

441
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 3: in the low forties period. I mean, that's just where

442
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,199
Speaker 3: he gonna live. He's gonna live at two. And I

443
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,880
Speaker 3: think that Joe Biden can can eclipse that. I don't

444
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 3: necessarily want to see a debate, but you think you're

445
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Speaker 3: gonna see one anyway, Are.

446
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Speaker 5: You afraid of what's happening on college campuses? Are you

447
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Speaker 5: afraid of young college kids who feel like they hate

448
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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's handling of Palestine Israel?

449
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Speaker 4: Look, they're out here screaming that they for guys, like,

450
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,760
Speaker 4: what do you think about that? Yeah?

451
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Speaker 3: I think what's going on in college campus is shout

452
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Speaker 3: out to Jeelani Cobb over at Columbia. He's the dean

453
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,159
Speaker 3: of the School of Journalism over there. They got their

454
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Speaker 3: hands full. I mean, I also think, though we have,

455
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Speaker 3: the rise of anti Semitism that we've seen in this

456
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 3: country is palpable. It's something that we have to quell

457
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 3: and and has no place in society. You know, for me,

458
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 3: on college campuses, you believe college campus is to be

459
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Speaker 3: a place where you can exchange ideas. You believe college

460
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Speaker 3: campus is to be a place where you can go

461
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Speaker 3: and have just this kind of unvarnished opportunity to learn

462
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Speaker 3: as much as possible. What you're seeing now on many

463
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Speaker 3: of these campuses is unrecognizable. And you know, I feel

464
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Speaker 3: for those college students who feel as if they're being persecuted,

465
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Speaker 3: who are getting assaulted on that campus. There's no place

466
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Speaker 3: for that in terms of the way that plays out

467
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Speaker 3: in an election, you know, it's do they vote even

468
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Speaker 3: it just from a pure or you know, practical standpoint,

469
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Speaker 3: are we're talking about people who were voters right now,

470
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Speaker 3: and I think that they're going to be energized.

471
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Speaker 1: I do not see.

472
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Speaker 3: I don't see how anybody who has some level of

473
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Speaker 3: empathy or sympathy for what's happening in Gods of voting

474
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Speaker 3: for Donald Trump.

475
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Speaker 4: But to your point, they might.

476
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,119
Speaker 3: Stay home, correct, correct, they may stay home, and that

477
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 3: if there is a secession of fire between now and

478
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Speaker 3: the election, which I believe they'll be, I think Joe

479
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 3: Biden to be in a much better place.

480
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Speaker 5: Well, why this will harfer this country to reckon with

481
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 5: race just on a just on just in general.

482
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Speaker 3: Because we've never dealt with the original sin of this country.

483
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Speaker 3: I mean, we've never dealt with or one of the

484
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Speaker 3: two original sins. Shout out to my Native American friends

485
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 3: and followers, but we've never dealt with We never we

486
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: never dealt with the issue of slavery like this country.

487
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 3: I mean, we built this country for free, like we

488
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 3: were raped pillage. They took everything from us, and nobody

489
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 3: they act like that was like, we never dealt with that,

490
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 3: and then we we had you know, we had one

491
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Speaker 3: hundred years of oppression. In Jim Crow like, we we

492
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: literally have not been a republic until the Voting Rights

493
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Speaker 3: Act in the mid nineteen sixties.

494
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about that.

495
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Speaker 3: People like, we haven't had full full right in this

496
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Speaker 3: country until nineteen sixties, and that we're still fighting for that.

497
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 3: And so we never really dealt with that issue, and

498
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Speaker 3: now now be you know, one of the quotes I

499
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Speaker 3: write in this book is that you know, for a

500
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Speaker 3: lot of a lot of people, including a lot of

501
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: white folks that we love, that we talked to that

502
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 3: are our friends, equality feels like oppression to them, and

503
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: that's the definition of white supremacy. And so we've just

504
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 3: never we've never dealt with it. I just don't want

505
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Speaker 3: more people to have to die. Which, oh, and going

506
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Speaker 3: back to college campuses, Look, we do have to we

507
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Speaker 3: have to do a couple of things. We have to

508
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Speaker 3: root out anti semitism at its route. We also do

509
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Speaker 3: not need Eric Adams in NYPD or Kathy Hochel and

510
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Speaker 3: the National Guard on college campuses.

511
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Speaker 1: That shit don't mix.

512
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Speaker 3: Okay, my dad was shot by law enforcement when they

513
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Speaker 3: were brought on campuses in nineteen eight. We had Kent State,

514
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: we had Jackson State. Just let's figure out a way

515
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: to have some constructive conversations with students. These outside groups,

516
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 3: arrest them, whoever's from the outside infiltrating these Prohamasu groups,

517
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, arrest them, put them under the jail. But

518
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Speaker 3: college students, let's figure out a way to have some

519
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: I mean, let's figure out a way to have some dialogue.

520
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Speaker 5: You go to chap the White Terror part two where

521
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 5: you talk about legal genocide and you talk about how

522
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Speaker 5: you and Ben Krump received so many threats that y'all

523
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Speaker 5: face for the work that you do.

524
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Speaker 4: So it makes me wonder, is it is the work

525
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Speaker 4: worth it?

526
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Speaker 3: And shout out to Harry Daniels too, who worked with

527
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Speaker 3: us on that case, and Andrew Brown, is the work

528
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Speaker 3: worth it? I have a job that I wish didn't exist.

529
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Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm working with a family right now

530
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Speaker 3: in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Ricky Cobb, Yeah he was he was

531
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Speaker 3: gotten down by Minnesota State Police. And you know, just

532
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: seeing the pain these families go through. I mean, when

533
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: you do this work, you have to be not only

534
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: their lawyer, but you have to be their psychologists, psychiatrist,

535
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Speaker 3: their friend. I mean that we have have like you know,

536
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 3: these phone conversations or meetings where we just kind of

537
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: you have to let them grieve. You have to let

538
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Speaker 3: them get it out because they want justice. I mean,

539
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: they're part of a fraternity sorority. You never want that knock.

540
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: But you never want your loved one to be a

541
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: hashtag and you but you never know when it's gonna happen,

542
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: and the threats we get. I mean Ben, I pray

543
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: for Ben all the time. Ben is one of the

544
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: most complicated, simple people you'll ever meet in your life.

545
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 3: Like he every Sunday he's in church with his family.

546
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 3: When we travel, he goes shopping at Walmart, gets his

547
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 3: shirt dress pans. Like when we go out the restaurants,

548
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 3: he get it, you know, fried shrimp or just a cheeseburger.

549
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Speaker 1: Well done, well done. We could be Papa, though, we

550
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: could be judge some of y'all well done, I got it.

551
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Speaker 1: Some of y'all need Yes, it does some of y'all.

552
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: Some of y'all got some eating habits that should be judged, right,

553
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: I just say it. But but he's a good dude. Man,

554
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: and he doesn't get nearly the credit for the work

555
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: that he does. And so shout out Ben and people

556
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: like Harry Daniels, people who who do this work and

557
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 3: who do it well.

558
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Speaker 5: Is it true that y'all aren't allowed to talk to

559
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 5: media about y'all cases.

560
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: So sometimes, like when the cases filed, you have to

561
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: be really careful about the things you say. And then

562
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: when cases settle, usually there's some level of confidentiality that's

563
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: involved around like what was going what numbers were going

564
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 3: back and forth. But you could talk about the cases

565
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: pretty free. I'll talk about Andrew Brown case and that now.

566
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Speaker 4: Also, I wanted you wrote a letter to your son Diste.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

568
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: Let's let's why did you want to write that? And

569
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Speaker 4: how difficult was it to wrect that about his name?

570
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Stokely Carmichael Kwameterray. I want it.

571
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Speaker 3: So this book we talk about black men a lot.

572
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Speaker 3: We talked about the untapped voting power of black man.

573
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Speaker 3: And I wrote this letter to Stokeley because I wanted

574
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Speaker 3: him to know and be very proud of who he is.

575
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Speaker 3: I wanted him to know who his grandfathers were, right

576
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: the strength of his grandfathers and his grandparents. I wanted

577
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Speaker 3: him to know the power that his dad holds and

578
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Speaker 3: his grandfather holds. And I wanted him to know who

579
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Speaker 3: Stokely Carmichael was. And Stokely was my dad's best friend.

580
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 3: You know, Stokely was there when my dad he got

581
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: out of jail. You know, your best friend is there

582
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: when you get out of prison, right, And so he

583
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: was there for him then, and I just wanted him

584
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: to know. I wanted him to feel when he reads

585
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: those words that he I don't want to say, king,

586
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: we overuse that, but I wanted him to be a

587
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 3: very very proud black man when he reads that. And

588
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: I want I wanted fathers, when they read that, to

589
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Speaker 3: be able to realize that we have to talk to

590
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Speaker 3: our sons like this. And you know, even kids we

591
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: don't birth. There are a lot of black men running

592
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: around in our communities that don't have fathers, and we

593
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: have to be willing to wrap our arms around them

594
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 3: as well. And so it was it wasn't hard to write.

595
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: It was something I wanted to do, so it actually

596
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: flowed pretty freely.

597
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Speaker 4: Now you said faith and fear cannot coexist, Yeah, break that.

598
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: Down, Yeah, it's tough for me because I have anxiety

599
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: that's worse than most people know, like i have zeneral

600
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: anxiety disorder. So I'm in therapy once every two weeks

601
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: just to deal with it. Ayalavazant says that it's uh

602
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: when my when my thoughts are in my head without

603
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: adult supervision, right, and so for me, you're not supposed

604
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: to be faithful with fear and that Bishop Jakes talks

605
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: to me about that all the time. Sometimes you just

606
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: have to literally let go and let God. That's when

607
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: my vices get the best of me. Sometimes when you

608
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: try to let go, that's when you find yourself in

609
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: the shakams. That's when you or excuse me, the African

610
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: American performing arts centers, if you like black strip clubs

611
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: or ballets, if you like white strip clubs, And that's

612
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: when you find yourself in a bottle of Cosamigo's or

613
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: Classau or whatever it is.

614
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: He is healing. Yeah, okay, self care.

615
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: Those are some of the best therapists in the world.

616
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: Shout out the city of Tampa, Atlanta. Some of the best,

617
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 3: some of the best therapist some of the best therapists. Yeah,

618
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: but nah, so I just feel like you gotta you

619
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: have to be faithful. And I'm working on rooting out

620
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: that fear. I ain't there yet, because you know, fear

621
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: can become paralyzing. You'd be so afraid of what's outside

622
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: you stay indoors, right, you know, And so you have

623
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: to you have to be willing to combat that stuff.

624
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: And so shout out to Bishop Jakes. He's one of

625
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 3: He's one of the great heroes of our time.

626
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: Love that guy.

627
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: What are the importance to Snick Man? We don't don't

628
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 5: hear ye talk about that enough? And what could Black

629
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 5: people today learn from Snick?

630
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: Snick was about Snick was about us. It was about

631
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: self empowerment.

632
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: Black people today could learn that if we don't have

633
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: any change, it does not start in It does not

634
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: start at sixteen hundred Pensylvania. It starts locally. It starts

635
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 3: in your in your precincts, It starts in your churches.

636
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: Snick was amazing because they went to places like Philadelphia, Mississippi,

637
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 3: where Goodman, Shernan and Cheney were lynched and thrown in

638
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: a ravine. They went to they met people where they were,

639
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: They stayed in their homes, They built community they empowered communities,

640
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: and my dad was one of the members of SNICK.

641
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: Shout out to Judy Richardson, you know, Mary and Barry,

642
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 3: Julian Bond, you know all of these great great heroes

643
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: and heroines that we just don't know enough about it,

644
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: and so I love them. I dedicated that book to

645
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: the founders of SNICK, and it starts locally. I mean here,

646
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: y'all got arguably one of the worst mayors in the

647
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: United States of America, and so ya.

648
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: Y'all got a lot of work to damn.

649
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 4: Eric Adams.

650
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric is.

651
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: Eric Adams comes from a bent in which he is

652
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: relatively old school, which is fine, but he frames his

653
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: discussion as if he is the sole arbiter of what's

654
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Speaker 3: right and what's wrong.

655
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't believe.

656
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Speaker 3: In and sourcing opinions that are not his own. He

657
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: lives in a decently in echo chamber, and he believes

658
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: law enforcement to be the end all be all. And

659
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Speaker 3: I know that crime has been a problem throughout most

660
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Speaker 3: major cities. We've seen crime decreasing, but it takes a community,

661
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: a community aspect. Eric is somebody who wants to be

662
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: a celebrity. You know, it's hard to be a public

663
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: servant and a celebrity. Those things don't really mesh. Barack

664
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Speaker 3: Obama has people believing you can do both.

665
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Speaker 1: But he was natural.

666
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: Eric is kind of best suited to be a deacon.

667
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: And you know, ain't nothing wrong with that. But I

668
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: don't know how many deacons you're gonna elect to be

669
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Speaker 3: mayor the largest city in the United States, and so,

670
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Speaker 3: I mean, it is what it is.

671
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: But you know, a couple of years you get to

672
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Speaker 1: replace them.

673
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Speaker 4: What do you think about the problem in these city

674
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Speaker 4: because you know.

675
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Speaker 1: The time, you have to look at it holistically though, right,

676
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: A lot of.

677
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: People say is one of some of the major problems

678
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: is the bail reform that a lot of these criminals

679
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: are repeat offenders, that they're not staying in long enough

680
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: and they're coming out and they're doing the same crime.

681
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: I think last week a gentleman that punched a woman

682
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: in the face came out and then punched the six

683
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: year old girl in the face.

684
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: Now you got to lock them up, right, you know.

685
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, like my mom and dad,

686
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: they don't want they don't want fewer police, they want

687
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: better police.

688
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: Right.

689
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: I actually think you should pay police more because you

690
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: pay for what you get, right, if you want quality people,

691
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: I think the police police should go through psychological evaluations

692
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: not only when you get hired, but every couple of

693
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: years because it's a stressful job. So you don't need

694
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: a nut getting a hired to a stressful job. And

695
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: so but you have to look at crime holistically, like

696
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: right now. You know, for a long period of time,

697
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: the reason we saw crime rates go up is because

698
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: people were hungry. And if they don't have food, they're

699
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: gonna come take yours.

700
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Speaker 5: Right.

701
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: If they don't have a job, they go they gonna

702
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: get it by any means possible. It's a lot of

703
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 3: hustling going on. The price of the brick went up

704
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: exponentially you do criminal defense work. I was amazed by

705
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: how much people had to pay for a brick. I mean,

706
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: as much as a brick right now. I don't want

707
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: to tell you because I feel like I might know

708
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: too much. Yeah no, so right now, my partner's telling

709
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: me they were paying forty five to fifty.

710
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Speaker 4: God damn fu key. Yeah, I thought Jesus is seventeen five,

711
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 4: didn't That was a long time. That wasn't even true.

712
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know, a decent price for a

713
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Speaker 3: long perit of the time was thirty five, thirty thirty five.

714
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Speaker 4: They were seventeen. We all should have been selling dope

715
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Speaker 4: back then.

716
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Speaker 1: You know how much money you can make off seventeen five.

717
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Speaker 5: All right, guys, right, what do you think about Mayor

718
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: Adams saying it's an attack on black man across the country.

719
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Speaker 4: He was here on Breakfast Club and he said that

720
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Speaker 4: it was an attack.

721
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Speaker 5: It's an attack on black mayors all across the country.

722
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Speaker 1: It is.

723
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Speaker 3: But he's like, if you talk about black mayors, I

724
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: mean he I don't think he's in the top ten.

725
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: I mean you got people like you got people who

726
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: doing great work. Andre Dickens Atlanta, great work. Shout out, Andre.

727
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: You got the mayor of Birmingham, my good friend, Randall Wolf.

728
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: And you've got the mayor of Little Rock, Frank Scott.

729
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: You got the mayor of Charlotte Bileiles right, you got London.

730
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: Breed got her hands full out there in San Francisco.

731
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: She working hard every single day. So I mean, look,

732
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Speaker 3: there is ross Barrock and oh Rosboro. Oh, and I

733
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Speaker 3: forgot my homeboy down in Jackson Jacksonssissippi.

734
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Speaker 1: Choquay Chokquay, Lamomba.

735
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Speaker 3: So you got you got people, and I hope, I

736
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: hope ros Ella Karen Bass, Karen Bass. Oh, Karen Bass

737
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: is dope and she has her hands full of la.

738
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Speaker 3: You got all these people that are better than Eric.

739
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: But there is an attack on black men like nah,

740
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: I can tell you know what I mean. But people

741
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: I don't like, they know it and I you know.

742
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: So how does it get personal between y'all?

743
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: It's not personal.

744
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: No, I am constructively criticizing the job that he does

745
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: like I do the same thing.

746
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: In the book.

747
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: I talk about Jason Whitlock, I talk about Stephen A. Smith,

748
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: I talk about ice Cube, and I don't have I

749
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: don't know him to dislike him personally.

750
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Speaker 4: But what you say about Stephen A.

751
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: Smith, I think that Stephen A. Smith, I think that

752
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: he appreciates the white gaze, and I think that he's

753
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: made him the.

754
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 4: White gaze appreciating community.

755
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Speaker 3: I didn't say g A Z gays days g A

756
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Speaker 3: Z e. I'm but no, you know, you know, you

757
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: know he he piles around with the Sean hannitys and

758
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: Tucker Callson's of the world.

759
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Speaker 1: He he gives him their platform.

760
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Speaker 3: Just you know, last week he's talking about how when

761
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump says that black folk find it relatable that

762
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Speaker 3: he's going through his prosecution, I think that his anti intellectualism.

763
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Speaker 1: Stephen A.

764
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Speaker 3: Smith confused that that persecution with prosecution like there is

765
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Speaker 3: you cannot compare the plight of my father who got

766
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: wrongfully arrested, went the trial, went to prison. Right, that

767
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: is a that is a persecution to the plight of

768
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump. Shot at shot, not even shot at shot, right,

769
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: So you can't you can't compare that. And I think

770
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: I think that he talks loudly, and I think he

771
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: comes from just a place of anti intellectualism where he

772
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: doesn't know. And I think that he's used as a

773
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: conduit for white supremacy, particularly in these echo chambers. And

774
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: what happens is white folk, white conservatives are able to

775
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: be like, when you say dumb stuff, like, you know,

776
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: black people find it relatable that Donald Trump is indicted. Right,

777
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: First of all, it perpetuates stereotypes that we're hyper criminalized,

778
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 3: et cetera. But when you say that, white folk now

779
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 3: look at you and be like, Aha, there's even a

780
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: Negro that says that too. And he's just a He's

781
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: kind of a useful idiot when it comes to things

782
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: like that. Now I disagree with his sports takes all

783
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: the time, right, but that is what it is. But

784
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: the stakes are too high for that level of ignorance.

785
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: And so you know, you know, Jason Whitlock is a

786
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: is a different animal. I think Jason with like ice cubes,

787
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: Stephen A. Smith are all in different lanes. I don't

788
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: want people to think they're the same, but I do

789
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: think they contribute to an erosion of our culture and

790
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: particularly the success thereof I was.

791
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Speaker 5: Like the generalization of when they asked those questions, Like

792
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 5: if somebody asked Stephen A. Smith that he shouldn't accept it.

793
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 5: He should say I can't speak for all black people.

794
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Speaker 3: I mean, but he that's what I'm that's anti intellectualism

795
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: when you but and that's also like a weird level

796
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: of confidence because he appreciated the question. So he was like,

797
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: I'm an arbiter of all things that are black. Let

798
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: me tell you how black folks feel. But I mean

799
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: he used to hang out like to Sheriff David Clark.

800
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: I mean you heard what he said about remember back

801
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. You gave him donkey a day in

802
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, if I'm not mistaken, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

803
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 3: because he was like back when j R. Smith then

804
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: the players were wearing hoodies, he said that they shouldn't

805
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: wear hoodies because it will remind white people of Trayvon Martin.

806
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: Like what are we talking about. I mean, this isn't

807
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: the this isn't the first time we've been down this

808
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: path with him, and so you know, it's about accountability

809
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: in our community.

810
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: So I just called him.

811
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Speaker 4: Out a nice cube.

812
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: So I think ice Cube pops his head up when

813
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: he needs attention. The most recent thing we saw was

814
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: Caitlyn Clark, for example, right offering Kaitlyn Clark five million

815
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: dollars one. He ain't got five million dollars to pay

816
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: Kaylen Clark two. Caitlin Clark said she found out about

817
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 3: the offer the same time everybody else found out about

818
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: the offer right on Twitter. So it wasn't it wasn't

819
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 3: even a real thing. In three, you got black women

820
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 3: like Asian Wilson, who's been dominating for a long time.

821
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 3: Pay throw her half a meal, right two hundred and fifty.

822
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: Then we had the black agenda, which he came up

823
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 3: with himself, I guess, and it wasn't clear. It didn't

824
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: articulate our needs. He had the ability to talk to

825
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: black women in particular who were reaching out to him,

826
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 3: he shut them down. And so I just want people

827
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: to be held accountable, like people hold me accountable. And

828
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: if you have a problem with what I do, I

829
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: mean I'll take the criticism and be willing to.

830
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: Move forward either be a part of solution to get

831
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: out the way.

832
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 5: So how do you use that level of celebrity like

833
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: an ice cube, like a Steven A.

834
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: Smith? How do you use that to the benefit?

835
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: I mean, look at look at people like John Legend,

836
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: look at people like Kerry Washington, people who who who

837
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: are in their lane, who are inquisitive, who want to

838
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 3: learn more.

839
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Look at Charlemagne.

840
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 4: The people hate me, but let me ask a question

841
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: about Charlemagne.

842
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: Like people do hate you. But the problem with the

843
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: problem with.

844
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: That sometimes I feel like people forget the good that

845
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: people do and when they do something that's a misstep,

846
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: they take that mistip down the road.

847
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: I mean they do that.

848
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: We see what did you think about the breakfast club

849
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: having candas owns on it.

850
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: That was a decision.

851
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: But but I don't for being your friend.

852
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't mind you having I don't mind

853
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 3: you having Candace owns On if you're holding her accountable, right.

854
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: I think the problem with Candas Owns is that she

855
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: went on this tour to be hugged by black personalities

856
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: and she wanted to be re engaged in the black

857
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: community because she's been ostracized because of her anti Semitism

858
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 3: from her home. And I don't have any use for

859
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 3: Candace Owns. I offer to debate her. She she wanted

860
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: to debate me, offer me one hundred thousand dollars to

861
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: debate her. I said, I'll do it. Just do it

862
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: on the HBCU campus. It was crickets, right, And so

863
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: you just have to know, don't I don't want you,

864
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: you guys to be played because somebody wants to re

865
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: engage or find a new place in our community and

866
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: find a new place in our home.

867
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't even think she was trying to do that.

868
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 5: Like Candace has been wanting to come on Burke's Club

869
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 5: for years. Like I've talked to Candas six seven years ago. Yeah,

870
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: so it was just to me, it was just they

871
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 5: bring up for have a conversation.

872
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't and I don't think. I'm not

873
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: somebody who believes in canceling people. I'm not somebody who

874
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: believes that you should not have a conversation. But if

875
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: you gonna have that conversation, you can't just get free ring.

876
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: You gotta be willing to push back on it. Like

877
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: Candis Owens is an anti semi like period, right, Candas

878
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: owns holds views and opinions that I believe are are

879
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: just anti antithetical to what it means to be black

880
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: in this country. Candas Owns props up white supremacy. I mean,

881
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: I think all of those things are fact, and I

882
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: think as long if you want to have a conversation,

883
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: but we can have it rooted in fact and so

884
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: be it.

885
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting, right because you know, I hear people

886
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 5: like Candae Omnes talk and I'm saying to myself, I

887
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 5: don't know if they're propping up white supremacy or if

888
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 5: that is just another way that black people think, especially

889
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 5: black conservatives. And the reason I say that, especially with

890
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 5: the blexted thing, right, Yeah, And they was like, yo,

891
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 5: let's let's get people off of the Democratic plantation. They

892
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 5: don't have to be conservative, but let's just start to

893
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 5: get them to think independently. I don't know if that's

894
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 5: necessarily proping off white supremacy.

895
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: I don't know.

896
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: Canas is now in a way, Cannis and Tucker are

897
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: just in a weird you know, it was nine eleven

898
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: an inside job?

899
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: Was the moon landing? Fake? Is the Holocaust real?

900
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 5: We know a lot of brothers that talk like that, though,

901
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 5: we know a lot of black people who.

902
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: Talk like that.

903
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: Look and we have and that that is fine.

904
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: And when you're in the barbershop, what you call them

905
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: dumb as hell?

906
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: It depends.

907
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

908
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: I'm at the point right now, I'm like, I don't

909
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: know what's what anymore.

910
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: But there is reality, there is fact, and then there's not.

911
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 3: And that Donald Trump has done a great job of

912
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: just pushing back on our institutions. So people begin the

913
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: question stuff and it's nonsense. I mean, you know, questioning

914
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: is the Holocaust real?

915
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: Is?

916
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: Oh? That's just ridiculous.

917
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: That is disrespectful too. I mean that's about that's about

918
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: as bad as who said that. It's like we learned

919
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: slavery was good was a choice. Oh, slavery was a choice,

920
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: was Kanye Kanye? And then Ron DeSantis was We learned

921
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: a lot from slavery that was benefits to it.

922
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean those things are just so.

923
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 5: Why does Kanye get so many passes from who? From

924
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 5: people in general?

925
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: Because he talented exactly.

926
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: So so like we pick and choose who we want

927
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 5: to crucify, we pick and choose who we want to ostracize.

928
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, can't nobody to do eight o eight's

929
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: like Kanye.

930
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Kanye?

931
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 4: I don't.

932
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: I don't do Kanye West at all, like I haven't

933
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 3: for a very long period of time since college drop out.

934
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're.

935
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: Very easy today though who.

936
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: People shout out to Puma, I got my sway, my sway.

937
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: Poo was No, I don't think. I don't think people

938
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: get a pass. I think that with with more talent,

939
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: there's more grace, but I think that grace is worn out.

940
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: Like Kanye don't have no home in the black community

941
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: no more.

942
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: You think I don't know about that one, but I

943
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 4: think he does a lot of peoples. Kanye the number

944
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 4: one album just had a number one album, and that's

945
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: the one.

946
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: But it just got thrown by Drake.

947
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: Still though he still had a number I don't know.

948
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 4: I don't know. Like I said, number one single, number

949
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: one single, number one single.

950
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: And the number one single hours pushing.

951
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 4: He had a number one album, number one album single

952
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 4: last year.

953
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: Number one single to the number one single was Fortnite

954
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: I'm a swiftye.

955
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 4: Number one single, number one Carnival weeks ago.

956
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago.

957
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: But because Taylor Swift replaced him, and then Drake just

958
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: and and her her songs charted.

959
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

960
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just interesting you had Taylor Swift up here.

961
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 4: It's just interesting having conversations.

962
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the never about?

963
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: I mean like never, No, Yeah, it's just interesting having

964
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 5: conversations with black people with different trains of thought. And

965
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 5: I think sometimes we do do ourselves with this service

966
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 5: by staying in our own echo chamber and just labeling

967
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 5: people dumb because they think differently than we do.

968
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: No, Kanye West is dumb though.

969
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: No, I agree some people who think differently than you,

970
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: it's fine, but Kanye West, Kanye.

971
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: West is dumb done at certain subjects.

972
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: Ye, Like he is a genius. He is a genius,

973
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: He's brilliant. I think if you put him in a studio,

974
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: there aren't many people who can compete with him. But

975
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: I think when he is running for president of the

976
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: United States, a lot of the things he says it's dumb.

977
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: But I also feel like it's a lot of times

978
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: it's who he's getting his information from.

979
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: Well, that's a certain level of individual responsibility too, Like

980
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: where you're getting your news from, Like that is not

981
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: a Democrat or Republican thing. Ain't nobody that is? That

982
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: is a willful click on your part or just a

983
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: phone call you make to get your news from wherever

984
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: you get it from. And so that is my you know, look,

985
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: that is my like libertarian bent. That is individual responsibility

986
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: at its finest.

987
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 5: Do you think the news is doing a poor job

988
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 5: of amplifying and highlighting the things that the administration gets, right,

989
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: because it seems like all they do all day is

990
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 5: talk about how bad Trump is.

991
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 4: To your point, nobody cares about that.

992
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't want to, Yeah, I don't

993
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: want to hear about Trump farton in court. I don't

994
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: want to hear about him falling asleep. Right, I mean,

995
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: like like treat them like every other criminal defendant, Right,

996
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: but yeah, you don't hear about what Joe Biden did

997
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: for black farmers. You don't hear about the seven billion

998
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: dollars for HBCUs. You don't hear about the fact that

999
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: the number of black businesses, the share of black businesses

1000
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: between twenty twenty two and twenty nineteen has doubled.

1001
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1002
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: You don't hear about what he and Kamala Harris have

1003
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 3: done for African American femal mortality. You don't hear about

1004
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: the holdings or the writings opinions of Ken Tanji Brown Jackson,

1005
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: who he put on the Supreme Court. You just don't.

1006
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: You don't really hear enough about those things. And so

1007
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: is that the media's fault?

1008
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: Yes? Is that the White House's fault? Yes? Right?

1009
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: And so there is a certain level of distrust. You know,

1010
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: Kamala Joe Biden are not the best messengers. People don't

1011
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: even really listen to Barack Obama like that anymore.

1012
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 4: Nice.

1013
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: So, yeah, So, I mean we got to find the

1014
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: people who are I would argue that people listen to y'all,

1015
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: then listen to them, right, And so, you know, it's

1016
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 3: important that you have the right messengers out there meeting

1017
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 3: people where they are.

1018
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 4: Well.

1019
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: You know they're gearing up to blame this election if

1020
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 5: Biden loses. You know they're gearing up to blame it

1021
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: on black men.

1022
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: I know I write about that, and you know, for

1023
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: a long period of time, you can't just show up

1024
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: and begin to talk to black men. You know, at

1025
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: Labor Day, I think we have to do a better

1026
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 3: job of listening to black men, all of them, about

1027
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: the pain that they're feeling. It's hard. It's hard being

1028
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: a black man in this country because when you walk

1029
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: outside your doors, you're not loved. You have to live

1030
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: in this perpetual state of angst and anxiety because you

1031
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: don't know what's coming your way. You have to take

1032
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: care of your household. For me, I have a wife,

1033
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: I have three kids that I spend a great deal

1034
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: of my time in my own head making sure I

1035
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: can provide for them. You're making sure ends meet, the

1036
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: stresses that you deal with, the way people look at you,

1037
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: and the way you have to carry yourself.

1038
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: Right.

1039
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: We live in a very toxic type of environment, and

1040
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: so I talk about all of those things, and we

1041
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: have to listen to the pain that black men are

1042
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: going through until we begin to open our ears and

1043
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: listen to that. You'll continue to see slippage and they

1044
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of black men will gravitate to

1045
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: the toxicity or the toxic masculinity that is Donald Trump.

1046
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: They black men who were voting for Donald Trump. I

1047
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: don't think it's great numbers, but they're voting for him

1048
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: because he looks tough, he talks hard, right, I mean,

1049
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: that's what it is. It's a personality. It's an entertainment factor.

1050
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: And we have to understand that, right. We have to

1051
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 3: understand where that comes from, and then you'll be able

1052
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: to attack it.

1053
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: Is.

1054
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 5: What's your hope for this book? What's the biggest takeaway

1055
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 5: you want people to get from the moment.

1056
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: I want people to realize where we are and where

1057
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: we can go. And I want people to realize that,

1058
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: particularly as black people, we have the ability to change

1059
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: our destination. I want at the end of it, I

1060
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: talk about young people in this country and I go

1061
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: to Applebe's a lot, right. And the reason I go

1062
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: to Applebe's off from the va on Garners Ferrias because

1063
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: they pour liquor like it ain't their own. You know,

1064
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: they actually pour, they actually pulled like they're supposed to

1065
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: these fancy places anyway. But I was talking to the

1066
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: bartender and she told me she was born in two thousand,

1067
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, man, there's more. And I begin

1068
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: to think about that. I was like, imagine a kid

1069
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: born in two thousand. They've seen nine eleven. They've seen

1070
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: a housing crisis, a financial crisis, election of the first

1071
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: black president, Tea Party reelection of the first black president,

1072
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: Parkland fort Hood, Charleston massacre. They've seen the synagogue shooting.

1073
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: They've had the largest shooting in the mass shooting in

1074
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: the history of the country in Las Vegas, Nevada. They've

1075
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: seen the election of Donald Trump. They've they've an insurrection, insurrection,

1076
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 3: They've seen COVID, They've seen the precipice of World War Three.

1077
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: They've seen Russia and Vaye Ukraine. And they've done all

1078
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: of this under the auspices of social media, where it's like,

1079
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: you know, just the vitriol that is what it is.

1080
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: And they're still here. I mean, these young people are

1081
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: so dope. Your kids are amazing. I mean, that's why

1082
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: they need more grace. All of us have kids that

1083
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 3: are amazing, because they're still here. I mean, y'all are

1084
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: worried that you, I mean, anywhere he's gonna show up

1085
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: in the freaknik Uh documentary.

1086
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: Definitely not that's that. That was not my I was.

1087
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 4: That's a real fit that everybody should be afraid about that.

1088
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, these young people they need grace,

1089
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: and I write that that you know, they give me hope,

1090
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of hope to be half.

1091
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 4: All right, Well, book, new book, the moment is out

1092
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 4: right now.

1093
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: Make sure you go pick it up.

1094
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 5: And I want you to know he bought it right

1095
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 5: back to food with apple Bee's food and liquor.

1096
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: You get the book is hard. Okay.

1097
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: Look, when first started talking about inflation, He's like, the

1098
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 5: white and too damn hot.

1099
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: The white.

1100
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: It was too My daddy went to pig Man. That's

1101
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: how I knew it was real. He was like, we

1102
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: were just talking. He was like, man, you've seen the

1103
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: price of whiting. It's the breakfast club.

1104
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: Good morning.

1105
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The breakfast Club