WEBVTT - Angela Nissel 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:21.759 Quest left show is a production of iHeart Radio. Yeah. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.680 I feel like people will be more honest when there's 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.040 like not people in the rooms. Oh well, especially with 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:32.440 these lineup questions, Oh shit, what is happening right now? 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.839 I wanted to see how long it was going to 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.720 take here we started cracking up. My guest today has 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.960 one of my favorite laughs of all time. Actually sounds 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.639 like she's crying every time she laughed. But anyway, our 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.680 guest today has probably come to your attention, whether you 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:55.840 know it or not. I credit her with seating the 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:01.120 concept that we now today casually know as black Twitter. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.640 And you got to own this and I'm owning it. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:04.200 I hear you. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:04.840 You gotta own it. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.440 If you are a television watcher like I am, you 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.960 probably watched one of the mini shows that she's had 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:16.840 a hand either executive producing or consulting or writing for 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.880 either or be it Scrubs or The Boondocks or The 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.040 Jellies that should have never went off the air. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.680 I love the Jellies, the Last Og. There's also Bigger 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.280 and Till Death and Oh mixed It. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.080 Ginny and Georgia, Tonda, Yes No, No, Jenny and Georgia 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.600 alsold and the other black Girl. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.160 No, you're all over the place. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.840 She has authored best selling books mixed of course The 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:48.080 Broke Diaries. But I saw a post of hers that 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.320 sort of compelled me to invite her. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.560 We didn't quite plan. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.000 This so instantly. She asked, like, who didn't show up 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.240 for me to show up? But I saw a post 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.360 of hers, maybe like two months ago, where she's sort 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.920 of skittish in celebrating the winds in her life and 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.400 knowing the kind of the basis for which, or at 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.400 least the cathartic process for which. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:16.600 This book that she's authored is for. I think that 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:23.480 now's probably the most apropos time to celebrate our great 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:28.200 friend of the show, Angela Nissel. How are you? 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.040 I'm amazing man. We went from laughing to crying real quick. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:32.440 You got here. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.720 You're about to be like, by the way, the book 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.280 is good Grief Past the Bread Mom is Dead is 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:40.360 getting critical acclaim. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:41.480 Yes. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:42.200 Yeah. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.880 And by the time this airs, this will have already 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.680 been a bestseller. I don't know when this will be 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.360 on the air, but you know soon, it'll be on 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.760 the air soon, all right, So I'm gonna ask you 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:57.520 a barrage of questions. It's not rapid fire, but of 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.560 this latest style of question I've been going. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.080 For this show, this is probably the most rogue I've 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:08.240 ever gotten. Let's start with give me your earliest memory. Technically, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.360 what would you call the part of Philadelphia that you 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.920 grew up in? People would say it's Southwest Philly, but 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.560 isn't known isn't it. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.880 Used to be known as Eastwick because we thought we 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:17.960 were better than everybody. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.320 But remember it used to be the suburbs. 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.280 It was like, but people didn't even realize it exists. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:24.560 But now I look, I was like, these are just 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.079 regular Southwest Philly homes. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.919 I think in ninety seven, so there was a point 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:35.880 where like places like Chester Yayden, like wherever the trolleys 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.760 of Septa would go, like their destinations. I always felt 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:41.920 like that was like the fancy places where I wanted 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.720 to grow up in I had they had cable out there, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.119 we did not have cable, and so but then kind 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:55.240 of I'll say ninety seven very silently, I think ninety seven. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.120 Is the year that the gentrification process happened, and I 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.760 saw this all over the United States. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.800 So places that we would visit back in ninety three 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.200 ninety four were like no longer, They're like, suddenly projects 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.280 are getting raised and ever. And then I saw that 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.480 people were trading places and they would place inner city 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.000 black folk into what we thought was the suburbs, and 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:18.400 then white people came into. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:18.919 The inner city. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.279 And so yeah, the last time I drove, I actually 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.560 did a sentimental drive through that part. You ever find 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.520 yourself rolling up the window, but you don't want. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.600 You don't want to be racist. To get Jophie, I'm like, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:34.000 we grew up. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.160 With a strip mall, and it's like, what you got 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:37.839 a strip mall? 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:39.040 Dude? 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.200 You mean we really thought we was doing something. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.080 It was life to live out there. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.080 I felt special when Thriller premiered on MTVS, like going 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.680 to the suburbs, the Uncle Juney's house and now. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.479 Man, right, okay, but I wasn't that good, but I 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.479 lived there, like I maybe it's just because I lived 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.000 in la And I was like, I remember my mom, 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.640 I'm saying, at least our house is in abandon, the 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.880 one next door, Like that is what it took to 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:05.560 be successful in Philly, Like at least. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.880 We don't live on It's like that's what made us 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.880 a little better than other people. Ugh. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.880 Yeah, So like, what is your earliest memories of living 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:16.880 in that part of town. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.400 My mom mourned me when we moved, when we moved 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.000 to that part of town that if I saw a 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:23.520 group of white boys to run. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:25.360 Yes, she said that. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:28.960 Yes. You don't remember what Southwest Philly was going through 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.479 in the eighties. The KKK march there. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.040 Oh I didn't know it was like that. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.039 Oh, they had. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.440 An interracial couple moved in and a black couple moved in, 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.000 and it was all in the district of the church. 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.240 I went to Catholic school, and it was like some 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.480 wanna say sixty something in Woodland for anyone who knows Philadelphia. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.440 And once the black couple moved in and the interracial 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.440 couple moved in, someone fire bombed their house. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.599 This was huge news that you can still google it today. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.520 And so then the KKK came through and they started recruiting, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:01.440 and every day when I would be on the trolley, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.320 I would just think, don't let anybody chase me home, Like. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.240 Yeah, it was crazy. So that's sad, but that is 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.440 my first memory. Sorry, let's get back to me after this. 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.559 I'm laughing at that because I had it all wrong 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.800 because again, I thought that was the nice part of 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.839 town because I would go out there for selective weekends. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.160 That is hilarious. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.760 No, And I didn't realize we were the Gentriman cake 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.240 like you were the fire. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.640 You were, like, why we got to run? You're now 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.960 a pioneer. You're a pioneer. There wee year did you 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:34.440 move there? 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.760 We moved like it's like eighty one and I lived 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.120 down there. Oh we lived there until yeah, eighty one, 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:42.480 until like ninety eight. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:43.520 My mom fabally moved out of. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.760 So technically, where did you come from? Like where were 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:48.120 you born? 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:49.640 Born in West Philadelphia? 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:50.520 My West Philly? 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.640 Yes, can you name the block fifty six? And oh 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.000 my god, Catherine, Oh. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:56.960 Like real West Philly? 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:57.680 What the hell? 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:00.719 This is the thing? 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:01.040 Man? 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:06.600 Like again, you were like the special girl that lives 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.279 in the suburbs and she's kind of nerdy, and yeah, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:10.680 because she lives in the suburbs. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.040 My mom would be proud of that though, because that's 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:14.680 what she wanted us to believe. But when I look 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.360 back again, I'm like, Mom, you bought a car for 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.400 two hundred and fifty dollars and we could see the 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:20.840 street like. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:21.880 You had a flintstone car. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.400 Yes, exactly, like we can only get out of one door. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.560 But she it's all about don't pay attention to that. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:29.119 Get in school. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.240 I gotta tell you, I'm glad that someone else had 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.440 that experience. So during the summer of ninety three, when 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.880 we were having like a seven label bidding war and 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.280 we were broke, and you know, there was like seven 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.400 eight of us and we didn't have money to get 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.680 back and forth on the bus or amtrak. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.040 So rich Richard Nichols took like three. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.960 Hundred bucks to get a station wagon and kind of 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.400 a middle passion style shut up, no, no, no, We piled 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.600 in the station wagon. But the middle road, the backseat 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.920 had no floor to it, so we took a whole 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.560 bunch of boxes to make it a floor. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.240 But when I tell you, the core, like the level, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.520 like imagine sitting where you have to like hold your 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.000 I can't even do it now. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.400 Example, but Tik's stomach was like rock solid, like all 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.280 the skinny people basically had to sit for an hour 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:29.720 and a half with their feet in the hair. And 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:35.240 this is the roots auditioning for deaf jam. Like, yeah, 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.640 that car died maybe two weeks. 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.360 Oh my god, I never knew that story. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.079 Yeah, it was not one of the happiest moments of 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:42.920 the career. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.559 Well, I remember how long it took you to get 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:44.880 a car. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.560 Yeah, you're right, you know. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.880 I remember this because we picked up Erica I Badu 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.640 from the airport one time in my crappy car and 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.640 the bumper was falling off for some reason. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.960 You had nobody else to pick her up. And I 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.240 remember as she saw me. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.640 Pulling around, her eyes kind of like, and then you 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.280 as soon as she got in the car, I. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:06.160 Said, you said, I'm sorry about the car, eric No 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:07.479 for you. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.080 You talked me out of all right. So there was 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.200 a moment, Oh god. 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.800 And I'm about to tell this story, all right, I 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.440 gotta think of the most diplomatic way to tell the story. Okay, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.120 is February twenty third, when things fall apart comes out 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.640 and the whole goal of the roots was literally for 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:33.880 us to walk home from Kapa. And and this is 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.840 I kind of blame boys to men for this one time. 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:41.160 I saw Mike McCarry in the gallery. And you live 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.640 out here in La so you can always tell, you know, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.000 like Juicy Couture became like the adopted where of like. 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.160 Some strippers or whatever. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:58.559 Like some strippers, but they'll have an outfit that we'll 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.560 try to you know know, like sort of a blow 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.400 off the smoke to bring attention, but it's the outfit 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.120 that everyone wears, like the rhyin stones and the hoodie 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.120 or whatever, like, oh, you're trying to hide, right. So 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.520 Mike had like literally like dark glasses, two hoodies on 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.440 the thing like he's the only person dressed like I 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.199 cannot be seen. And I don't know, like that made 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.200 an impression on me. I was like, man, all I 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.120 want to do is I want to blow up. And 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.960 he couldn't give me a pound of it. Well, I 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.000 gotta go and you know, like this kind of thing, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:38.200 and I don't know. I went home at night like yeah. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.560 So when we had an inkling that this album was 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.839 actually going to be the album, I was like, yo, man, 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:47.880 we gotta play the gallery. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.400 And they're like, just why don't you play in Tower Records, 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:52.000 like a place. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.599 Where a wholes Like nah, man, it has to be 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.439 the record store in the gallery. Like I wanted a pageant, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.679 I wanted a people lined up or whatever. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:00.760 He got that moment. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.319 So we were supposed to be there at like eleven 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:08.080 o'clock to play and then sign autographs or whatever, and 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.800 Tarik was late and Rich is like, yeah, he went 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.400 to go get his car. I was like, get his car, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.560 And I didn't know that Tarik went and got his license, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.160 so I don't know. It's kind of like the sibling 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.079 rivverything thing is I don't have my license, but I 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.520 knew I was going to get me a car, and 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:33.199 you you're like, dog, don't get a car, matter of fact. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.120 And this this is like the last time I let 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.559 somebody sell me the Brooklyn Bridge, but in this case, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.600 it saved my life, so I'll cut it. 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:41.080 No. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.840 You literally said like, man, you're gonna do that dumb 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.000 rapper ship where you buy it. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:46.880 She's like, do you even have a license? I was 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:48.719 like no, And I thought like I was going to 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:49.319 do some. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:52.240 Biggie little sea ship because Little Caesar used to drive 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.480 Biggie round. So I was like, all right, I'll pay somebody, like, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:56.960 you know, three hundred dollars a week to just drive 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:57.840 me around like biggie. 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:00.000 And you looked at me. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.360 He was like a mirror, that's the dumbest shit I've 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.560 ever heard. In my life, like please, don't waste your 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:07.120 money like that. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:08.120 And I was like huh. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.719 I was like, yeah, like do something, don't be a 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.640 dumb rapper, like invest in your future. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.720 You know that money you could start a website and 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.360 I was like, what website? 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.040 And then I told you I had a computer I 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.240 had was it a web TV? 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:23.760 Oh my god, that's great? 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.840 I had a web TV? And you're like, no, mere 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:29.440 like a real computer, yo. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.280 But you thought you were killing it with that web 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.400 TV because not everybody had like. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.480 You did so well. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.120 I came from an era where like the Beastie Boys 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.640 were handing out like CDs. You remember when the internet 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.960 used to be on CDs? Yes, right, how do we 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:45.240 get online. 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:45.960 With or whatever? 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.160 So the Beastie boys were like I thought I was 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:53.800 even more technically proficient than anyone else because I can 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.000 go on my television. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.040 And I thought it was a shit. 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.520 And the way you just you came to my house 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.600 and looked at my setup and I'm all like. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:09.880 And you look like no mair. And that was the 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.040 moment where I felt. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:15.120 So doweeby that I gave up and I said, look, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.200 what do I have to buy? 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.160 Like what is your nerd paradise. What do I have 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.080 to do? And then you me and someone else that 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:26.960 I met him once, Doug. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.200 It wasn't Doug yet. It was someone else, Eric, not Eric. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.200 It wasn't Eric. It was another guy. He might've went 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:37.600 to pen or whatever. He was nerdy. Y'all drove. 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:43.440 Y'all drove me to comp Usa. We drove the comp Usa. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.680 Somebody I do with a car back then, and I'm 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.120 telling you, I had this seventeen thousand dollars like it 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.400 was a paper route money, like. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.679 Dumb shit like Karen Cash or whatever. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.120 And reluctantly I just watched my car just fade out 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.000 the dream and got a computer. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.800 And then y'all built a new world. 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.800 And like I had to fall in love with someone 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.880 heavy out of state for me to actually get a license. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.320 And even then, I only got a. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.400 License because I agreed to do a car commercial and 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.320 they didn't know I wasn't licensed, and so the day 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.880 before they were like, hey, so where's your insurance and 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:25.400 all that stuff? 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:27.240 No, and I was like, what are you talking about? 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:27.720 For Sion? 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.880 That's why I drove a Sion And I was like, oh, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.040 I don't have a license, and They were like, wait, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:35.560 why are you doing a car commercial? 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:36.720 Well? The money was great. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.960 The money was awesome, So I was like, hell, y'all 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:42.520 do a car I thought I was going to play 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:43.200 this sound like. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.520 Did you think I was just gonna pull you down 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:45.760 the street that you didn't really. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:47.200 Have to drunk? I didn't know I was going to drive. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:50.080 I thought like, if they're coming to quest Love, I'm like, oh, 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.680 you want me to drum on the car. I was 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.720 dreaming the concept of the commercial in my head, like 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:55.280 I'm gonna. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.440 Hit the tires and hilarious. Right. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.120 And the day before they had the call, well, they 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.120 didn't want to let the client know that I was 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.880 not licensed, so they had changed the entire concept of 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.240 the commercial. And in the next three days I had 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:16.560 to cram all night. Dorn Ngeleheart, my manager. She uh 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.240 taught me how to drive. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.920 This is the unspoken. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.560 Part is what we're not We won't laugh at. Dawn 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.920 still jokes about, yeah, I taught you how to drive. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.720 Let's just say that Dawn does not look like you 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.240 or I. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.520 She's not white. So what else we got out there? Yeah? 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.720 And so I was forced to get my permit and 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.360 my license so I can shoot this commercial and they 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.040 gave me the car, and then you know, that's so 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.520 I like willed myself into that. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.400 But yes, you you talked me out of Hey, I 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.360 could have gotten that car and probably would have gotten 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.240 arrested for driving me out a license or. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:57.760 But also, why didn't I just tell you to get 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.480 your license? Like you had a major record at this point? 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.440 What would I want you to do? Catch the subway? 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:07.360 You didn't do the wagging finger thing. But the shame, 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.960 I felt like, that's the first time I didn't feel smart. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:11.840 I was always the. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:17.120 Tweevy, not with the web TV, Like literally the. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.240 First time I was like, damn, maybe I'm not smart. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.160 And I let you talk me into taking my car 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:30.280 money and that's how I seedd the Okay player. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.880 So what's funny is I love that computer more than 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.320 I would have loved a car. You would have never 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:35.880 like let me drive your car, But I was on 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.240 that computer all the time. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.720 Oh you house, you and the house way more than 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.479 I was. You let Malick in the house. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:46.560 Hold up. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.800 You literally were on the road once and I heard 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:50.040 Malek's voice in the background. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.240 I was like, yo, not only that, Malick leaked a 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:54.880 root song. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.040 I think the first time the song got leaked, I 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:57.760 never even knew that. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.240 Yeah, like we that's why I took quick Sam Millennium 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:03.840 was supposed to be on Phrenology and I was like 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.400 Malek rooning now like leaking songs on the internet. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.080 So you see, this is why friends shouldn't work together, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.560 because like Eddie, you would have had like, hey, here's 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.720 who letting you literally were like, all right, I'm. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:16.120 Going on tour. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.240 Well, yeah, I didn't know this was a billion dollar 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:20.280 idea of business. 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.359 I didn't know that I. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:23.720 Had something to put on the website. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.119 Hey, Malick, right, I now see that you were running 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:29.040 out of resources. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.440 Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of inside baseball talk. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:31.600 Yo. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.280 What TV show defined your childhood? 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.200 Different strokes? Which is that sad? 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.800 It depends on which character you are. Who did you 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.240 relate to the most timberly or no? 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.760 Wait, because this is gonna be this is so he could. 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.879 Be Charlene and not the answer you're looking for. I 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.520 just remember, this is the dumbest answer you're. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.399 Ever going to get. There was an episode where I 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:09.680 had a crusher on Dudley. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.920 Oh, don't bring up that episode. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.560 No. I thought, my brother always gets to see boobs. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:19.560 Boobs are all the way, always on TV. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.919 Boobs were everywhere in the eighties like you could, and 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.040 I thought, I'm finally going to see a penis. 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:26.560 On that episode. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:27.760 I was young. 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:32.480 Oh god, I don't even want to explain to people. Hey, 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.920 just google the special episode of Different Strokes in Dudley. 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.640 Ah yo, And you know what, I actually rewatched that 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:48.080 episode during my Christmas vacation. Dog Dudley's dad was not 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:53.320 mad enough at what Gordon Jump was doing. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.280 Like the way they busted in it was sort of like, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:04.080 you know, to Lee to have kids and uncompromising positions. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:05.880 You remember, like he gave him drugs or whatever. They 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.600 were like all disc a bible matter of fact? Did 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.400 Dully ever come on the show after that? 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.280 All I know is I don't remember it the same 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.000 way because I just remember that whole thing being I 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:14.640 didn't see. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:19.520 A penis, Oh my god show because they had the 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.080 same thing they put like parents should watch this with 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:23.880 their children. I was like, I'm not watching it with 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.320 my mom. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.200 Welcome to the fifth hour of The Today Show. Angela 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.680 and this all right? 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.640 In junior high, were you a shy kid or were 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.040 you the class clown or were. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.160 You the teacher's pet. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.439 I think I was the class clown because I just 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.440 want we changed school so much. Whatever school my mom 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.640 found out was the best one to get you into college, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.840 and that was the one. So I went to Mastermin 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.480 and I came to that from a Catholic school, and 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.360 I just remember thinking, when I get to Master. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.359 I'm going to reinvent myself. I'm gonna be funny. People 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.640 will like me. Wait really yes, but and then oh 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:05.720 but here's what I did wrong. 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.080 I also felt the pressure because it was Mastermin is 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.240 a selective junior high in Philadelphia. It's my mom told me, 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.679 you know, you have to be smart to get in. 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.680 So I went in thinking everyone's going to be little urkles. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:20.960 And so I remember I was the first one called 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:22.879 on to read a page from some book and I 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:24.920 read it like Shakespeare, thinking that's what you're sted to 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:26.360 do in a whole class bust out laugh. 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.920 Wait, okay, So when we first met at our job, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:38.960 like you had a whole nother code switch persona that 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.720 like you were like the hood joined and later when 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.399 I found out you were nerdy, I like, wait a minute, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.520 wait what happened to In proper English? 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:51.600 There's always been nerdy girls in the hood. 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:53.280 And you know it's funny, is my mom tried to 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.919 I want you to show me the book this one? 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:57.040 Yeah, oh hilarious. 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:02.640 Yeah, so when and sits next to me At my job. 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.040 Many of you know that I took on a telemarketing 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.520 insurance job to pay for the roots demo that never happened, 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.520 And so you know, it was rare that, like, you know, 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.480 Q girls come in to office or whatever, and you 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:19.199 were new and I got your number, and when I 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.959 got home, you gave me the first three digits, the 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.640 next three digits and a question mark. 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.199 Yes for the last digit. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:28.800 Yes. 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:34.520 And I looked at this thing and realized, wait, what 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.119 is the last digit of your original home phone number? 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.000 I don't even remember you remember the whole thing? 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.480 Well, I know it's two on five, three sixty five, 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:43.520 but I don't know the. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.320 Oh, yes, it was the original one wasn't nine. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.920 So I went it was already eight o'clock, and my 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:54.840 dumb ass is like, d zero, no, one no. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:57.520 And when I finally got. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:01.840 To you, you laughed, you laugh, And I lied to 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:03.800 you and said, well, you know, I just went backwards 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.359 and was like I started at one and literally had 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:11.080 to work my way up to So when she asked 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:15.880 me to sign my first book, I did the same 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.639 this is my old number, so it doesn't work it. 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.560 So I did the same thing that she did to me, 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:27.240 which was put a question mark. All right, So what 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:32.119 teacher in your school experience do you feel like, really 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:33.120 like saw you. 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.280 Who's the teacher that like changed you? 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.840 The school you taught me to go to. Her name 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:40.080 is Missus Pritchett, The Schools Britchett. 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.440 Yes, okay, okay, you told me to go to Performing Arts. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.240 You told me I was going to another one of 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.280 those fancy schools. My mom was like, this is the one, 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.760 but we can't afford it. So I was working at 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.119 RMA change with you, and then you said you should 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.840 go to Performing Arts. And I remember she sat me 0:22:54.920 --> 0:23:01.680 down and she gave me the most loving, yet honest 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.080 speech about what makes good writers. She's like, you're a 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.840 little off, but it's all. She compared me to her 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.320 cousin who's a little off but a little great writer. 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:12.240 And she was just giving me one of those speeches 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:14.520 that people given the movies, like I believe in your kid. 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:15.679 You got this, you know. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.080 Oh everyone's always looking forward to be the savior of like, 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:19.760 but no. 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.120 One said that to the writing majors. We were the nerds. 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.520 Yeah, I was gonna say, Okay, you know now at 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.800 Kappa there's like nine majors. Wow. 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.800 Yeah, I didn't even know there could be nine majors. 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.520 But yeah, I mean at the time, you were either dance, 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.600 you were TV radio like production, like if you wanted 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.040 to be a cameraman or that person on the other 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.399 side of that acting. And in music you were either 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:48.800 in the choir or in the band. And then there 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:53.760 was creative writing majors, and we just never knew, like 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.080 what would you guys do, like walk me through a 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.119 day at Kapa, because I never was. You were the 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.360 only person I was friends with from creative writer. 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.959 That says it, all, right. 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.600 Are you the most successful person out of like who 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.200 else has done notable things in creation? 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.359 It's so funny because I always see your name and 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:13.920 I don't see any creative writers. 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.560 There were some good writers. Literally, what we did. 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.159 A lot of grammar, a lot of reading other and 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:22.359 I agree to be a good writer, you have to read. 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.600 But back when we were in school. I'm like, did 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.920 they at least diversify a little bit what we read? 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:30.879 I was like, if we see the usual tilia a 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:32.320 big Gilga mission? 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:34.600 But no it was. 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:38.480 And then it certainly prepared me for Hollywood because ninety 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.080 nine percent would be rewriting, Like you know, just write 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.160 something and work on it the whole week to try 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.520 to make it better. But at that point in your life, 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:47.280 you're just working to get the A. There was one 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:49.399 teacher who loved whenever I wrote about the Holocaust, I 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:50.040 could write anything. 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:53.600 She had her pride, you know, so I was like, 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.160 this is a guaranteed day. Yeah, that's Hollywood. 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:57.240 Do you have Miss Silva ever? 0:24:57.960 --> 0:24:59.800 Or was she going Miss Silva? No? 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:01.359 Was she there in school? 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:02.240 I think so? Yes? 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.680 Yeah. She She would have like one big giant college 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:10.680 word per year that was like over three syllables and 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.400 four syllables, and then she said it so much that 0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.240 it stuck to you and then you found ways to 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.720 try to drop it in, you know, but the rest 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.639 of your grammar isn't good. So I'll be like around 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:23.320 the way like. 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.680 Yeah, you know, so if you could you know what 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:30.399 I'm saying, Like, you know, recapitulate you know what you 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.560 just said, then I'll just like, hell you talking about it? 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.639 Like literally, Miss Silva was that person? 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:39.080 You never had her? 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:40.360 No, But I love. 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.639 How good your brain is because to me, all of 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:44.840 these people are background noise to getting beat up on 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:46.560 the boys and end video set and thinking a mayor 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:47.479 told me to come to this. 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:56.479 Oh god, wait, did you guys ever have like normal 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.560 things like high school dances or anything? 0:25:58.600 --> 0:25:59.440 Did you guys have it. 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.400 My version of Kappa? No, there weren't enough boys one. 0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:06.320 That's why my mom said I could go. 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:11.280 Oh she knew you would not get pregnant. 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.680 She came to my audition. She was like, all gay and. 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:18.920 All right, did you know your grandparents at all? 0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:19.280 Yeah? 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:20.240 Yeah, what were they? 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:21.200 Like? Whoa? 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.680 They were your typical move up from the South, don't 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.520 show any emotions, drink quietly, black. 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.720 People yes, boomers and black people yes. 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.760 Move into West Philadelphia when West Philadelphia High is still 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.840 half white, and then by the time you get out, it's. 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:39.640 Like what happened? 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:41.040 Wait, West Philly was half white. 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.240 It was Overbrooks. Sorry, my mom went to Overbrooks. 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.280 I was about to say, oh, by the way, all right, 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:50.679 so I'm getting my mural. And I didn't know that 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:55.640 West Philly is now apartments and so West Willy High 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.720 it is yeah for my face to be on the 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.439 West Philly High Wall. Well, the place that I was 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.880 when I was driving by there, that was like lean 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:04.240 on me. 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:05.960 That was like a prison. 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:08.399 I go there now. Wait, I went up near to 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.159 where I used to live, and my mom used to 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.280 be like, be careful out there. You know, people selling 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.200 stuff on the street. And I said, oh my god, 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:15.359 that has gentrified. 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.639 Like okay, So when you go to Philly, do you 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.600 chase ghosts? Do you? 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:20.760 What does that mean? 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:21.280 All Right? 0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.000 When I go to Philly, even if I'm in New 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.120 York and I got like a good twenty four hours off, 0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.399 I'll get in the car and I will drive to 0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.880 Philly and chase. Chasing ghost for me is just going 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.120 to my Grandmam's neighborhood. I never get out the car. 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:41.679 I just sit there and Jack Meyer's you know fruit stand, 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.600 and that's where Nana used to send me to get bread. 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.000 And this is where we built the basketball court. But 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:50.840 I used to always ridicule youah, hear like basketball players 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.639 going back to the old projects. Yes, And then something 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.280 bad happens and you're like, dumb motherfucker, like why would 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.640 you go back? But I find myself doing the same 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.240 thing every time. Like what I really love to do though, 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.360 Like my all time favorite shit is if it's winter 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.480 and I have like a hood one, I will actually 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:12.240 get on the thirty six, No, dude, the way to 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:17.440 produce tears with me, you know, the former Warner Makers 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.639 or Macy's. Oh god, I hate when I date myself 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:24.040 like that. 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:29.320 Back in nineteen twenty two, it was a Macy's. You 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.080 know when you go to the thirteenth Street L and 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.960 the trolley thing, you know that art mural where it's 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.880 like it looks like the Whiz logo but it's like red, 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:41.720 green and black. 0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:44.040 No, like, oh I kind of remember it. 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.360 Yeah, it's artwork. It's like this mural thing. It's been 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.960 there forever. It's been there since like when I was 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:53.160 in first grade, like seventy six, And I will get 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:58.200 on a thirty six sit and go all the way 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.520 to the end and east Wick or whatever. 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:06.240 The right the nice part of Southwest God. 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:11.360 And then circle around come back to to the end 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.920 of the line. Then I'll get on the L and 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:17.120 do the whole entire trip. Matter of fact, of the pandemic. 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:21.040 I would go on YouTube. Do you know there's people 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.400 that like document entire train rides of the L. 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.120 From the front. I'm backing up. 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.440 I'm like famous people. They're different than us. You couldn't 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.320 pay me to get on the L or on the 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:32.920 train on my day off. 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.200 When all right, so the day that we decided what 0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.280 was it, March thirteenth, the day that we decided the 0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.360 world was going to shut down. Yes, and there's this 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:45.080 whole apocalypse like revelation thing in the air. 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.640 I was like, all right, my last act. I ran to. 0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.920 Gods we used to get a cheese steak, and then 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.880 I ran back to spring Garden and rode the l 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:55.680 one more time. 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:10.360 And then I had my driver drive me to the farm. 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.800 That I quarantined and in pound Ridge, like this very 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.240 richy Poundridge farm where you know, the people let me 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.240 stay in their guesthouse. But yeah, I don't know why 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:25.480 I have this obsession with Septa wow, And. 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:26.440 So I'd sit there. 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.840 One day I discovered I went on YouTube and someone 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:34.880 had the entire ride there. I probably watched ten hours 0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:36.640 worth of train stops. 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.560 There's one from like nineteen seventy nine. 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.040 That says more about your age than anything else. You said, 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.280 you and my husband just other people's experiences. 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:46.840 I've had enough of my own. I'm just going to 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:52.160 turn on YouTube and it's literally just trains. 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.040 Well, okay, do you not have a recurring all right? 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:59.760 So the recurring dream I've had before, like therapy, finally 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:04.120 went away. No, there's a reason why. I'll say that. 0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:13.000 From from tenth grade probably until I was like forty five, it's. 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:13.600 The same dream. 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:19.640 I'm on the l headed home, and it's the most 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:24.840 dreaded bad report card day, feeling like whatever, feeling that 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.840 makes you want to stall not to go home. 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.960 You ever been suspended from school or whatever? No, oh, 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:37.160 that's right, you're a nerd. No, you said, beat my ass. 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.400 Right, No, I have bad report cards before, or you know, 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.320 you got to see or whatever. But I would dream 0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:48.640 that I was in school and I'm always failing and 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:50.280 I'm gonna get it when I get home. 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:51.920 But I never get home. 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:57.760 But I'm perpetually between thirteenth Street and fifty second Street. 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:01.160 And that was like the dreams I would have from 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:06.680 like maybe fifteen till forty five, Like the last ten 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.920 years of my life, I've been free of that. 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.600 But how I'm like, that's abnormal. I have that dream 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:14.840 at least once a month for real. 0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:16.160 Do you have the same recurring dream. 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:20.280 It's the same one, except I'm in Kappa And somehow 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.120 they figured out that I haven't graduated, and I got 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.400 to come back at my old age and go back 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:25.680 and sit there for my diploma. 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.800 I'm like, but I graduated. Nobody cares. 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:28.840 Did that happen for Roda? 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:29.960 No? Never? 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:31.760 You were like a great student, right, I. 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.520 Mean, I yeah, I went to good college, graduated. I mean, 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:36.640 but that it freaks me out, and I still have 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.360 that dream. So wait, I got to get a better therapist, right. 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.800 Mine? Mine is kind of weird. 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.239 My dad was doing a residency in Lake City at 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:53.360 the Tropicana, and I was drumming for him, and you know, 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.120 I didn't have a pager or we didn't have cell 0:32:56.160 --> 0:33:00.280 phones Backfit and Bowser If you remember Bowser from Shanna Na? 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.360 Wow, No, yes you do, She'll just fake it it 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:04.960 like you don't. 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:06.360 You're a little bit older than me. 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:07.800 And have you heard of the group? 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:09.040 Yes? 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:10.200 Okay, one of them. 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.720 You've seen Greece okay, yes, yes, there's a whole bunch 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:15.280 of guys. 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.200 Well, I mean the same thing. 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.840 But he wore all black and he had the low 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:25.560 voice or whatever anyway, like right, but I mean he 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.480 didn't talk like that backstage, but he's like he's like 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:32.960 a mirror. There's a phone call for you. And uh, 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.840 who was who is our Do you remember our science teacher? 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.480 Oh? God, no, not mister. I think it was. 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:42.479 Corey, the one that didn't make us do anything. 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:46.560 Yeah, okay, it begins with a I forget that name. 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:51.360 And literally is like, mister Thompson, you still have to 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.160 take your your final exam. Don't think doing a residency. 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:56.760 What your father is going to get you out of this. 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.600 If you are not in class tomorrow at a. 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:04.040 You're not going to graduate. And literally like I. 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:07.280 Did the show and dad had to drive me back 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.080 to Philadelphia and I passed by the skin of my 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.960 teeth and so wow. But yeah, so even as a 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.000 good student, you thought you were going to be. 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:16.880 A bad student. 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.600 I don't know. I never talked to my therapist. What 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:21.400 is this dream about. You're the first one that is 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.239 like something so far in our past. 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:28.400 I don't know what the bottom line was but okay, 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:32.520 so more than that, like I decided to I mean, 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:36.400 it's past therapy. It's also like this whole metaphysical thing 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.479 where you actually have to say, like, you know, I'm 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:42.920 not in high school anymore, I'm not fifteen. I'm da 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.880 da da, Like I had to do these and literally 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.880 talk it away. So I've not had the nightmare of failing. 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.040 But even as a foty year old, I was about 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.120 to get my ass beat for getting a bad grade 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:57.600 or whatever. So yeah, all right, because you brought me 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.239 into the tech world. Did you ever have an embarrassing 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.799 AOL or MSN screen name? 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.280 God, your memory is so good. I can't remember. 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.480 I remember having an embarrassing one on my Commodore sixty 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.760 four back when I was like eleven or twelve. 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:14.760 Wait you could. 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.480 There were little groups. That's where I first started. 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:19.520 Wait what year did a guy? 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.480 Ooh, this had to be eighty six, eighty seven? 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:27.239 And I remember my dad weekend Dad, not even weekend Dad, 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:32.120 but got you something new that I can't afford? Yay, 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.080 And yeah it was like and I just remember. 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.239 So you talk to your friends or a community of. 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.640 Friends, usually strangers, because it was just an all green 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.319 screen and you could go into a place called like sewing. 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:49.919 You know, and wait a minute. Okay, go go ahead, 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:51.879 go ahead. Yess just reminded me of something, no. 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:53.240 Go, because I was the whole thing. 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:55.719 The first time. 0:35:55.560 --> 0:36:02.200 You introduced me to AOL, like a group community thing. Yes, 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:08.680 Prince was in the group chat wow, and his screen 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:12.000 name was white Mansion. But he was an asshole about 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.040 it because if you remember, like AOL had like an 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.279 all white screen. He would type in all white and 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.680 I didn't know how to copy paste so that I 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.360 could see the cryptic message. 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:26.680 And I think Doug is the one. 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.640 Doug who worked at Oka Player taught me how to 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.120 blacken the screen so I could see. 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:35.480 And then I asked him like, yo, was that you? 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.480 And He's like, yeah, that was me. So I didn't 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:41.480 know that Prince was my first time in a group chat. 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:46.160 What's also crazy is I remember specifically thinking, Wow, do 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.919 we get a mirror online? I just had a web 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.960 TV all right, let's start him off for aos. 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.040 Oh man, I miss AOL chat so much, and you 0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.680 know people like when people on special like, oh my god, there, 0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:02.120 I do miss the days. 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:04.759 Of There was some mystery to it now I'm just 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.560 like everyone has a video, but I had no idea 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.200 who I was really talking to back then, you know, 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:10.799 and so you could be in a room with Prince 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:11.399 and not know it. 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:15.840 All right, what's the furthest place you've ever traveled? 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.440 Oh wow, it's probably gonna be with you down to Brazil. 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:25.560 I don't know how you did come to Brazil with us? Ah, 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.640 you did come to Brazil. Wait did you go sight seeing? 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:31.560 Yes with Tina Ferris one time? 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.960 Were you accosted by no kids? Or Okay? 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.080 I made the mistake of like walking by myself and 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:43.480 someone told me like if you walk by yourself, like 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:47.120 have a bag of toiletries with you. And I was 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:48.799 like why and they were like, well, you know, some 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.799 more of the fly ship might happen, and the kid 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:51.239 might come. 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:52.800 Up to you and be like Sarah, could you give me? 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.799 And then you'll be like, oh, here kid, and then 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.600 suddenly everyone just pops up. You mean, like the Michael 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:04.680 Jackson Dad video, like bobbing from nowhere. I wasn't prepared 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:09.160 so literally, like I had to run my way out 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:10.920 of there while like seventeen. 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:14.520 Kids just like please please please, like chase me. H. Yeah, 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:16.239 so and then I didn't go out after that. 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.080 But I'm laughing because y'all must have got They must 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.000 have said, bring whoever you want, because y'all never brought 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:22.879 me to it. It were so many people y'all bought 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:23.640 on that trip. 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:28.520 Wait a minute, So were you there when someone got 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:33.920 in Tina's face? Were you backstage for this? I was there, okay, okay, and. 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.600 I thought, lord, we all about to be arrested in Brazil. 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.600 Well, I don't want to out him, but I forget 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.239 what his name was, but he was angry. I think 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.760 that we went five minutes over. 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:47.800 Something like that, and I just remember Tina trying to 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:49.440 handle it and him trying to handle it back, and 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:50.399 all of a sudden. 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:51.400 Trying to handle Tina. 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:55.279 And then and then everybody you invited came off like 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:56.440 you didn't know the route. 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.319 Somehow had twenty five airplane tickets to this thing. 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:03.160 Yeah, uh yeah, that was It was a riot. 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.120 And then the toper to that story is he left 0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.040 his check on the table and then someone, I will say, 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.720 signed we left our check on the table and signed 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:11.080 his name. 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:12.600 I didn't do it his room number. 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:16.000 Oh okay. 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:18.880 In my mind, it was not ego eye cherry. But 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:20.640 it's someone that's like starts. 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.759 With an F. I'll remind you if I don't want 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:23.520 to get sued on you. 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:41.920 I feel getting very nervous right now. What is the 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.160 first thing you do when you check into a hotel? 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:49.000 As I got older, it is literally see if the 0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:50.960 bathroom is clean, because I've been stuck in a hotel 0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.839 where not where you're like, all of a sudden, you're 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:56.120 just on You're like, oh man, really yeah, I mean I've. 0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.400 Had like, see you a person that has to go 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:00.239 and clean the hotel before. 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:01.960 I mean, it depends on how I can not clean 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:03.440 it my own if it's like a roadside, but if 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:04.319 it's like a nice one that. 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:09.440 Hollywood's paying for. No, but that's to me. I've just 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:11.960 realized growing up in Philly. 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.400 I'm used to everything being old and dirty. 0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.279 That's just Philly the fault. I got out here and 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.279 I was like, this is how bathrooms are supposed to look. 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:20.719 You can have more than one. 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:26.040 Yes, okay, So when you're creating, when you're writing what 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.160 four things must you always. 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:35.080 Have prozac weed? You want me to tell the truth, Yes, 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.000 I don't know, No, it is it's definitely Weed. 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:44.200 It's definitely a funny movie to start me off some 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:49.480 a good friend on the phone and actually, now meditation, 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:50.560 I put that in there. 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.279 So you do that all the time, So you have 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.759 to put intentions and yeah, just miss what. 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:59.719 I mind, not wander and just getting all the other 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:00.839 noise out of my head. 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:01.880 Okay. 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.360 So I have the hardest time with writing, especially with books, 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.880 so and the way I do it fragment like okay, 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:11.720 this is about whatever. 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.480 Tell me about ninth grade and then you you know, but. 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.120 I'm also like, oh zebra, and then not have anything 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:22.120 or easily fall asleep and then the computer falls on 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:23.560 the ground, Like. 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:27.440 For you, how much straight work can you do without 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:29.040 any distractions whatsoever? 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:31.239 See, it's interesting for me because I see you as 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.840 somewhat of a perfectionist, and you always come into things 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.800 with a plan, and so at least from when I 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:37.839 knew you, and so. 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:39.720 Yeah, I'm still tightly wound. 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.200 And so that was me too when I used to write. 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:44.640 Then I used to think, why are people like Treik 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:46.600 so happy on weed? And I wasn't forty until I 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.200 tried it, actually tried it with my husband and had 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:50.040 a horrible experience. 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.240 So you're late weed, yes, but it's. 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.640 Wonderful for getting outside of your head and just letting 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.520 yourself let go of that tightly wound. 0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:59.520 Stuff post or pre pandemic. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:04.920 My husband and I married in two thousand, not two thousand. No, yeah, 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:06.720 I was like, wait a minute, you need twenty started 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.080 the pandemic, So it's probably twenty nineteen because I remember 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.400 cursing him out. I was like, you don't know, I 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.960 can't handle this was I was so high. I just 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:16.760 but he also taught me how to taper. 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:21.160 And you and I have the same experiences. But I'm 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:22.000 an edible person. 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:23.399 Not me too. 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.000 You know what I've tried. We I cannot get high. 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:31.320 I've had a whole thing to myself and it's nothing happens. 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:35.360 I remember when you first went to Amsterdam, Yes, and. 0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:35.319 Did I call you? 0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:35.760 Yes? 0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:43.440 You and Dreamhampton Man like, ah, you've seen sides of 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.920 me that the world has never seen before. 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.759 Yes, Oh that was hilarious because you were you were 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.640 in the most innocent, like just you know, and you 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.400 were so high it was so funny. 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:57.520 Yeah, I shouldn't have done that. 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:00.359 Back then, people were getting arrested for we to wear 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.359 week so that was an experience you wanted to have, 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.880 but you were so high that was a wonderful. 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:08.680 Yes, all right. Do you talk to yourself when you're alone? 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:10.759 Usually not outside my head? 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.840 No, just inside your head? Yeah yeah, but never like 0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:16.160 out loud as in no, unless. 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:17.640 It's like I want my husband to kind of leave 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:18.480 me alone for a little while, and. 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.680 I wasn't expected that part. Are you a window seat 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:29.960 or an alca person? 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:30.239 Oh? 0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:30.600 See? 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.960 This captures both sides of me because I don't like 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.000 asking people to get up when I have to pee, 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:36.920 you know. 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.080 But I really like looking out the window. We're a pie, 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:39.720 we're on a plane. 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:41.640 So I always picked the because I don't want an 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:43.120 inconvenience anybody else. 0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:45.360 Okay, so you're an own person. Okay. 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:50.560 Have you ever considered moving to a place where nobody 0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:51.879 knows you have. 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.399 To do that? Honestly, my husband and I are talking 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.640 about it, moving to Minnesota. His family is from there, 0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:58.399 and I went out there. 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.520 And I, oh, well family, but yeah, you mean no 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:02.840 one like not even my husband. 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.400 Well, now you gotta have your husband with you? 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:07.759 What I Yeah, I would love to do that. 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:12.479 Actually, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna change your life right now. 0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.279 Okay, So here's you nude when you don't know? 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:24.560 Okay it is So I went up there once to 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:26.600 clear a sample. 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.879 To Minnesota to Prince's house. 0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:32.520 Oh this is long after he passed. But there's a 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:36.720 place that is called the Orfield Labs. Now Orefield Labs 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:41.080 was once famous because probably the most notable creation of 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:45.320 the studio was lips incorporated Funky Town, Won't You Do 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:50.680 Me Right? Also for Bee Boys, if you're a DJ. 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:56.400 Kat Stevenson's Dog was a donut was created at this 0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:03.279 very studio. Around nineteen eighty six, I believe they stop 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:08.719 being a studio for music purposes and they transformed to 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:13.000 like scientific Audio lab. And what they've invented was they've 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.719 invented two types of rooms and it's very unique. One 0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:22.080 room is a room for which sound will never die. 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:26.799 So if you clap your hands, you hear the sound 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:31.160 of that clap like resonate forever. There's a kind of 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.759 a fake chimney thing that they open to let the 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:40.160 sound go. But in the other room is a the. 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.799 Exact opposite, and it's a silent room. 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.520 Not only was aware of this because again with clickbait 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.160 and social media. You know, it starts with you know, 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.160 can you survive fifteen minutes in the silent room where 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.759 you know, like apparently like you're gonna go crazy. It's 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.399 like the equivalent of I mean, you've seen movies where 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:00.279 people get thrown in solitary comfort. 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.080 Or the padded white room or whatever. 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:07.480 So long story short is, they put you inside of 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:11.520 this room and look up or filled labs or silent 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:15.520 room Minnesota. They sit you in the studio room and 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:20.839 there's literally no like the noise is sucked out and 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:24.600 there's no light. The only way I can describe it 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.640 is if you are on the verge of wanting to 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:33.480 do an ayahuasca journey. This is probably the plant based 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:35.640 version of it, where you don't have to take anything, 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:37.479 but the results are the same. 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.200 And what I've discovered was when. 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.600 When you don't have your senses, when you can't see, 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.279 when you can't hear, your brain panics and thinks you're 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:50.120 about to die. So the first thing your brain does 0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:57.240 is it pumps levels of serotonin or dopamine in your head, 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.759 which is kind of what you feel if you were 0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:06.360 to do heroin. And literally like I sat there and 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.280 maybe two minutes later and I'm not saying words because 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:10.520 I saw it, like. 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.080 My hand flashing. I was like, wait, am I hallucinating? 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:16.759 Like literally, it does something to you. It's one of 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.760 the best spiritual experience. 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:22.360 Really, because as you were talking, I was like, this sounds. 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:26.879 Like hell again, like because of the hype of are 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.040 you going to survive or not survive? Maybe like after 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.680 three minutes, I'm like, oh, clearly, I'm not going to die. 0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.880 Like the first thing you hear is you hear your insides, 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:38.200 you hear your heart beat, you hear all those things. 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:42.680 And then when I close my eyes, I see, you know, 0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:45.879 like when we dream, like if like imagine your childhood home, 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.000 you close your eyes and there's my childhood home. 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:50.560 You see it. To me, that's normal. 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.320 But when I open my eyes and you don't see anything, 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:55.640 that's when you start to panic. 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:56.760 Like, wait, am I blind? Am I blind? 0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:02.680 And the dopamine just keeps it puts you in this 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:05.320 very relaxed state. 0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:06.239 I highly reckon. 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.440 No, you know, it's funny, I have turned now. 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:10.840 I was like, because I truly love meditating and the 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:12.520 way it makes me feel, in the way it grounds me. 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.319 I was like, okay, and you know, like people now, 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.320 well they'll do like medicine journeys and all these things. 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.080 And you know, like a lot of us, I'll say, 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.480 for the most part black people who are very skeptical, 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.359 very church. You know, if it's against God, I want 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:28.920 nothing to do with a mirror, don't come to me 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.800 with that. Twenty twenty had us in a place where 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.600 like we were just slightly open to something other than 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.759 kind of this Christian hearing anything that we're going through 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:44.400 right now. And I will tell you that, yeah, that 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:48.120 experience alone, and I've been kind of kicking the can 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:49.560 that like would do in ayahuasca. 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:50.719 I will eventually do it. 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:54.799 But for those that are averse to that, this is 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:56.239 probably the closest thing to it. 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:57.200 So I'm so. 0:48:57.200 --> 0:48:59.800 Proud of you in a weird way, Like seriously. 0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:01.440 I would highly recommend this. 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.480 I'm i just because I remember you didn't drink, you 0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:06.480 didn't smoke, you were just and so I know a 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:08.279 lot of people who come up like that that won't 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.120 touch anything like aahuasca. 0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:10.080 Or just you know. 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:13.879 So yeah, I think in the pandemic, we all were 0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.560 like fuck it, and we had to there had to 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.839 be something else, you know, I mean it just has 0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:22.000 to be something else, all right. 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:27.920 So if you were allowed to go back to the 0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:31.520 age of ten for one hour, what would you do? 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:36.200 First thing I think is ride my bike until the 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:39.600 very moment the very last street light came on, just 0:49:39.680 --> 0:49:43.719 because I missed that freedom of just being ten and 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:45.719 mom and Dad didn't care where you were as long 0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:47.319 as you came back when the street lights were on. And 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:50.400 I just remember thinking when I had that bike at ten, that. 0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:52.600 I could almost make it anywhere in the city, you know, 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:53.360 you just oh, you. 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.160 Would go off the block into different neighborhoods. 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:59.879 Like three four blocks, but it felt like bigger because 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.160 it's like I used to have to walk these. 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:03.640 You feel a little it's the first time. 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:06.759 Having a bike. Yes, you're right. 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:09.919 Actually I would take my bike and I could make 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.080 it to like I live on fifty second Street. I 0:50:13.080 --> 0:50:16.520 think I could make it to pins Landing in like 0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:17.400 forty five minutes. 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.239 See if there weren't any cars. I'm like, that's just 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:21.560 a dream, just being free. 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:26.080 Well, Pine Street was a little bear, so just you know, 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:29.239 between Pine Street was a street where I didn't have 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:30.279 to worry about like getting here. 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:31.040 Who actually did it? 0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:32.359 Oh? All the time? 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:33.040 Do. 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:35.680 Yeah, i'ma do that all the time. What do you 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:38.919 consider your bravest act to date? 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:42.000 Oh, I would have to say moving my mom to 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:46.440 Los Angeles and you brought her out here to get yes, yes, okay, 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:48.880 and stealing her away from her. 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:51.560 I didn't steal her away, even though he sued me 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:55.840 for kidnapping. It's in the book she married. Yo. This 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:57.080 is what I want to say about. 0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.959 They always worried about us and our generation in younger 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.640 on social media and then the older people. 0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:07.520 She met a man, you know, and it's like people 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:09.120 need to watch their parents and this technology. 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:11.160 All of a sudden, she's, you know, falling in love 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.640 and but the guy is just a scammer. 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:14.160 He's a mess. 0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:17.680 So I picked her up like Prince scam level. 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:23.920 Except Philadelphian preacher scammer. Like every time every time I 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:25.919 came home, my mom would be like, well we found 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:28.239 out this degree wasn't worth anything. I'll just pull out 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:29.840 of my pension and send him to another school so 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:30.720 you can get another degree. 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:32.640 Oh no, I know, I know. 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:36.160 And so finally, you know, our parents, especially my mom 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:37.040 came of age. 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.560 Jim Crow just everything's hard in life, and you know, 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:41.440 I don't want to be a burden. 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:43.520 And I was like, no, I'm getting you the hell 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:43.960 out of here. 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.640 So I moved her in with me while he sued 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:47.880 the hell out of me back home. 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:51.719 But just the same feeling as you had as a 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:52.520 kid on a bike. 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:55.080 It was just the freedom. It was just me and 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.040 her and me taking care of her in this beautiful place. 0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:00.640 Well it's California like for her, way different than Philadelphia. 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:03.240 I remember asking her that exact question and she said, 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.279 a lot of Mexicans. 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:11.959 We did, at least not when I moved. 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.759 You know, early two thousands, Philadelphia was pretty much black 0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:16.759 and white mostly coming up. And you know, she was, yeah, 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:18.799 so this to her, like people speak in Spanish, She 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:22.200 was like, you know how people from Philly are at 0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:24.560 least it's going to be an earthquake every day, and 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:25.440 you know something's. 0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:25.759 Going to go wrong. 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:27.080 But experienced an earthquake. 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:28.840 No, thank God, because she would have, even though she 0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:29.759 had stage four cancer, she. 0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.160 Would have rolled her back to phil. 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.719 But I think then I remember her saying to me 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.920 once she said, people just seem a lot chiller out here, 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:43.799 like a lot calmer, And I was like, well, you've 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.240 never been on set with me. Other than that, yeah, 0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:50.680 there's just I'm glad she got to experience that laid 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.560 back kind of California thing, even though she didn't know 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.520 my house was in foreclosure and all this stuff and 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.720 oh yeah, it's all I don't want to give anything away. 0:52:58.719 --> 0:52:59.560 Literally, there was a. 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.759 Man taken pictures of my house when my mom when 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.319 I finally got off the plane and my mom said, 0:53:04.320 --> 0:53:04.640 who's that? 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:09.799 I was like, Papa Rozzi, Mom and pop last was 0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:11.000 somebody coming to make sure the. 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.759 Condition of the house before they Oh god. 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.440 So not only bringing her there but lying to her 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.080 the whole time so that she would stay there. 0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:19.880 And she was never the wiser. 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.160 You know, looking back, I think she. 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.120 Probably knew, but what was she didn't want to embarrass. 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:29.880 I'm stuck here now. I got on the plane. 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.480 What was what was your twenty twenty like? 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.480 Actually, and I hate saying this, it was great. 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:42.240 What did you pivot and morph into in twenty twenty 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:43.360 that you weren't before? 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:43.560 Then? 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.919 I realized I think in twenty twenty. I also got 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:49.560 married right at the beginning of twenty twenty, and so 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:50.600 we literally. 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.720 Just picked the place January or February January. Oh my god. 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:55.520 So then when the world came doing in. 0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:57.320 I was like, I'm stuck with this money. 0:53:57.960 --> 0:53:58.720 Y'all stayed together. 0:53:58.920 --> 0:53:59.680 That's what made it great. 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.200 I was like, I picked the right person this time. 0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.440 I was like, I actually like this. 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:05.680 Was there a close call? Though? 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:07.279 Actually no, I. 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.760 Wish I could lie. It was great because he's introducing 0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:12.360 me to more weed. We're sitting there watching the world burn, 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:16.080 you know. But also it was I was on the 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:20.040 show Mixed Dish, and I realized how much life I 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:23.120 lost in commuting every damn day, you know, just getting 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.080 to and from the place where I already have to 0:54:25.120 --> 0:54:28.239 give such mental energy and you don't have a lot 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:29.960 to give her to a relationship when you're giving it 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:31.400 all to others. 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:34.480 So it also made me think I want to focus 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:38.480 more on my personal relationships than career growth all the time. 0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:41.759 Are you saying in terms of like like we all 0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.239 discovered zoom during that period, So not having to take 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.360 a two hour trek and sitting on the are you 0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:49.239 one of these Californias Like I hate the four or 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:49.759 five and dead? 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:51.480 Guess why should I? 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:55.520 I love see, I love traffic, I love driving, but 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:56.440 I just love. 0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:58.760 My free time even more because I picked up hobbies. 0:54:58.800 --> 0:54:59.879 I didn't have hobbies before. 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.440 What did you learn to do? Don't say sourdo please? 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:09.759 No, no, I'm learning Spanish apprendiendo espaniel really see for dad. 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:28.480 What is the most overrated or unsolicited advice that people 0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:33.799 gave to you as a caretaker? First of all, did 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:37.400 you have a circle or at least a threat to 0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:38.120 fall back on? 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.000 For no, I moved my mom out, was like, come on, 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:45.680 I'm saving your life. And then someone eventually said, yeah, 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.799 that she's pretty far gone. You can't save her life. 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:49.719 And I was like, I haven't called City of Hope yet. 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.200 Like that was me, And I think as. 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:56.560 A caretaker, people are very taught me to be actively 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:58.879 caring in terms of make sure how she's not in pain, 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:00.840 make sure this, makes sure I will and testament are 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.799 in place. But and forgot to tell me to just 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:07.920 have quiet moments of just asking her questions about her 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:11.000 past and even how to frame questions about her past 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:13.279 so she talked to me about them. She wasn't my 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:13.920 mom wasn't a. 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.239 Very like this was my favorite Christmas, so this was 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:17.799 my favorite time to ask her question. 0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:20.960 Yes, in my own way, like. 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:26.759 No, because no, because it just felt like I have 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.800 one recording of her. Okay, But also, my mom passed 0:56:29.920 --> 0:56:32.760 right before video on phones. She was in the people 0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:35.200 were transitioning from flip phones to iPhones, so you had 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:37.960 to still had She still had to flip Like when 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:39.160 I text her, she'd be like, what's wrong? 0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:42.800 Was on my screen? And I'm like, I got this iPhone, 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:45.440 you can text on it. But yet we weren't. And 0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.799 I'm actually glad that I didn't, because when I look 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:49.920 back at how sick she was, I was like, you 0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:51.640 dumb asshands. You really thought you were going to save 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:54.480 her life, you know, like it's and I'm like, damn. 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.719 You may have moved to California, but we no one 0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.439 taught us to just have that time together. And I think, 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:03.200 when I look back, that's why she moved out. 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:07.000 What was your primary source of comfort, like during this 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:08.719 time period, you move your. 0:57:08.640 --> 0:57:10.720 Out in twenty twenty, and when did she passed? 0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:13.040 Oh no, I moved my mom out in twenty This 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:16.120 was fifteen years ago, right on the border of iPhones 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:19.520 and flip phones. Oh okay, yeah, so like twy fourteen, 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:20.800 twenty fifteen. 0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.480 Okay, and when she passed. 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:25.640 She passed. She only lived with me for three months. 0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:29.960 Yeah she was Oh damn, yeah, I'm glad you. 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:31.680 But I took care of her in Philly too. 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:33.480 It was but she didn't let me know how bad 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:36.400 her cancer was, which is something I learned that parents do, 0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:38.840 and her as a nurse, she also knew how to 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:40.520 hide it, so she would just. 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.000 Tell me, yeah, I got a missect. To me, I 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.080 got another mastectomy and no cancer's going. 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:45.960 I don't want to be a bother. I don't want 0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:48.360 to be a burden. I hate when people see that. 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:49.560 Oh yeah, you know. 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:52.200 So then one time she was supposed to come out 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:54.960 and see me, and she said, I can't fly the doctor. 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.400 I had to have another little procedure done. So I 0:57:57.440 --> 0:57:59.160 got on a plane and said, what is happening? You 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:00.000 know what is happened? 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:01.400 Did you ambush her? 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:05.080 Yes, also had. 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:09.000 To ambush her husband because he was a fake preachers, 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:11.840 and so they had that hierarchy within the house. 0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:13.640 I'm the man of the house now, and I'm like, 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:15.120 she just met your. 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:19.560 Ass and him and my brother ended up throwing down and. 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:24.280 It got real Philly. They got real Philly. 0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:28.200 I totally understand that what personal habit. 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:32.200 Did you find hard to manage during this period of 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:33.960 taking care of your mom? 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:37.120 Gratitude? I used to practice that. Have my gratitude journal, 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:41.800 still have it now. Everything was so rushed and life 0:58:42.400 --> 0:58:46.760 just seemed to suck because damn, you know, I haven't 0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:48.760 had an easy road in life anyway, and to lose 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:51.680 my mom early, you know, it was just but also 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.000 trying to keep her spirits up. I would try to 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:55.920 think of one thing we could both be grateful for. 0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:58.240 But man, that was hard. 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:00.000 That was aging gratitude. 0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:02.000 Yeah, even harder when she passed. I was an angry 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.400 motherfucker all the time. 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:10.320 During this period of caretaking what one item of clothing? 0:59:11.240 --> 0:59:13.800 What was your what was your survival uniform? 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.920 You know, I'll never forget because she moved in with 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:18.960 me and she only bought one suitcase. Because we were 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:21.120 just like, time is not on our sides. You got cans, 0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:22.840 you got this stage four cancer. I'm going to find 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:24.840 a really good Hollywood doctor. 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:27.120 To cure it. And so we went to Target to 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:31.280 make a quick run to get the way we see 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:36.200 someone for cancer. And because my mom was also very frugal, 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:37.800 which she probably would have went to CVS. 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.800 So she could have or target, but we went to 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:42.800 get her a nightgown and I got a matching like 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.760 pajama set, and I still have that fifteen year old 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:47.160 pajama set. 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:48.680 I keep everything though. 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.400 This is such an angel in this times and conversation. 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.840 Is there a song that makes you cry instantly when 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:56.360 you hear it? 0:59:57.320 --> 0:59:59.720 This is a weird one too. What was the Luther 0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:02.240 Van song about Father's. 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:03.640 Again? 1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:06.320 Yes, because that's the only song I saw my mom 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.840 ever cry on when her father passed. My mom never cried, 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.160 and I just remember that song coming on the radio 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:15.080 after her dad died and her crying, and I thought 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:17.840 I thought of her as a mother for the first time, 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:19.640 and not just you know, I mean I thought of 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:21.440 her rather as more than a mother, like someone who 1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:23.760 was something's daughter who was having those feelings, and I 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:24.680 just remember that a human. 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.840 Yes, that's swear that Luther's known for many things, but 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:31.240 that that one song might be like his signature, his 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:32.160 signature song. 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:34.320 Yeah, because I remember she sent me to a concert 1:00:34.360 --> 1:00:36.600 with her and her friends. They were her babysitters, and 1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:38.640 I was like, yeah, they still don't know he's gay. 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:39.400 I was young. 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:50.440 My mom too. What memento keeps your mom's memory alive. 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:54.920 Woo what oh her nursing id I keep it in 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:57.040 my bedroom because she was so proud of that thing 1:00:57.320 --> 1:00:59.160 because she was not only an r N, she was 1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:01.919 a BSN actually a science and nursing they put your back, 1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:05.920 you know, yes, yes, but she would always say, you know, 1:01:05.960 --> 1:01:07.560 they don't expect a black woman to be you know, 1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:10.920 So she would always wear that with pride, like when 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.320 someone would try to talk down to her something, it's. 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:15.120 You know, I'm like, maybe it's a little elitist, but 1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:17.040 it's also a source of pride. She worked hard for 1:01:17.040 --> 1:01:17.360 that thing. 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:20.960 Got what was the deepest regret of yours during that 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:21.600 time period? 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:22.520 Did you have any. 1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:25.640 Oh man, that whole time period, Yeah, you know, I 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:26.160 had a lot. 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:31.800 I started redecorating my home and remodeling it to make 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:35.080 a commune so my entire family could move in because. 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:37.720 You thought the world was just coming to it in. 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:40.360 But also I just thought my mom died and I'm 1:01:40.400 --> 1:01:43.160 all alone. I got to move everybody from Philly into. 1:01:42.960 --> 1:01:45.840 My Oh god, I know, I know. And that was 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:48.120 And so then and your marriage is doing to. 1:01:48.360 --> 1:01:51.520 Wait because nobody in Philly's gonna tell you, Yeah, we 1:01:51.560 --> 1:01:53.520 thought it was a good idea when we were all 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:54.000 in grief. 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:56.080 When we said that, because your ass was crying. 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:59.240 Right for you, we don't want to move. 1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:02.480 All the way out. But I was so deep in 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.760 grief and just the family is all important. And I 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:07.240 moved out to California and everybody's back in Philly. 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.959 I mean I literally was looking up schools for people 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:11.840 and all this stuff, and one by one I had 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.600 a falling out with people because I came to the 1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:16.600 realization that was the dumbest idea. 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:17.640 But I didn't want to give up on it. 1:02:17.880 --> 1:02:19.400 I was like, wow, you pulled that off. 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:22.880 Yeah, no, I'm so glad in hindsight that I didn't. 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:28.880 One do you create better when you are happy or sad? 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:32.800 Here is the process I've learned. That's how weed comes 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:33.320 into play. 1:02:33.400 --> 1:02:33.640 For me. 1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:37.080 Think about all the shit, the deep. 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:40.320 Shit, like oh, until you can't almost take it anymore, 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:42.280 you're like, fuck, what is this life? 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.680 Smoke some weed and think about it again. It works 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:48.360 for me. I don't know why, because they always say 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:50.160 the lessons are in the hard part, But when you're 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:53.919 trying to write through the hard parts, it's just too much. 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:56.200 At times, I wanted everything to. 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:59.000 Be like gaps go by where you didn't write or 1:02:59.280 --> 1:02:59.840 oh god. 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:02.040 Yeah, because I found myself. My husband was with me 1:03:02.160 --> 1:03:05.600 as I was writing, and I love writing comedy. But 1:03:06.200 --> 1:03:08.760 we know so many great comedians that are miserable and 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:10.480 who took their own life, and I mean I can 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:12.280 name some top names out here, and I'm like, oh, 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:14.320 hanging around with him is like like. 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.760 Oh, every comedian I know is so it's how you. 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:21.040 But I I was with my husband at the time, 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:23.960 he just was just married. We were and I had 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:26.360 to figure out how not to be depressed all the time. 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:27.720 And he was like, try some of this. 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:29.760 This is all that's worked for me. 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:34.400 Oh yeah, what part of yourself are you just rediscovering now? 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:38.560 Who as a grown asked woman what the hell I 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:41.040 like to do and not what everybody else wants me 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:41.280 to do? 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:46.400 And my people pleasing whoa you know for real, Like 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:51.360 I'm so glad that landed because I'm so bad, like 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:53.000 I want to do on TV where it's just like 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:53.840 no one looks and. 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:55.640 Then they I'm always like. 1:03:55.680 --> 1:03:58.640 The man and that the world's not gonna fall apart 1:03:58.640 --> 1:03:59.160 when you do it. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:01.320 Yeah, I'll be honest with you. 1:04:02.200 --> 1:04:06.280 I just learned not only no, like you remember, like 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:09.560 Rich Nichols used to be just say what he felt. Yes, 1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:16.560 Tik's that way sometimes Jesus. Yes, literally that part just 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:20.200 transforms you. And I was like, wow, this this is 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:23.040 the zero fox part of my life, like happening right now. 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:26.439 But I mean there's a way to not alienate people 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:32.320 and still hold your ground and maintain but like literally 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:35.600 not people pleasing. I didn't know how much like pain 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:39.120 in my body, Yes, yes, I was used to those. 1:04:39.080 --> 1:04:43.760 Things and the throbbing, the throbbing, the throbbing and not 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:48.200 knowing that your body's thriving throbbing because you promised that 1:04:48.320 --> 1:04:50.800 you would do this remix and you don't got time 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:54.280 to do it, or you know, come and watch somebody's 1:04:54.520 --> 1:04:56.920 rough cut of something or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, 1:04:56.920 --> 1:05:00.280 I'll check it out, and literally just like wear myself felt. 1:05:00.360 --> 1:05:04.880 So yeah, people pleasing is was my Do. 1:05:04.920 --> 1:05:06.040 You think you learned that as a kid. 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:11.440 Yeah, I think people pleasing comes from wanting to be likable. 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:15.000 Yeah, And in my case, I think the kind of 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:19.960 perceived charmed life that I've always seemed to have when 1:05:20.000 --> 1:05:21.840 I was a kid you have both parents. 1:05:22.800 --> 1:05:25.720 I went to private school, you get all these all 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:26.600 these records of yours. 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:30.680 You know, like it just always seemed easy for a 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:33.800 mirror and then was way easier for questlove. So I 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:37.800 think a lot of the times I tried in subconscious 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:46.040 ways to make myself relatable by people pleasing and sometimes 1:05:46.240 --> 1:05:49.960 doll myself. A lot of the weight gain was like 1:05:50.160 --> 1:05:53.200 really trying my best not to be a threat and 1:05:53.680 --> 1:05:56.320 doll myself as much as I can and still survive. 1:05:56.480 --> 1:06:01.400 But I think after these series of me finally getting 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:05.520 to the bottom of the autism journey, At first I 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:08.600 took it as facts like oh, okay, autistic, everyone is altered, 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:12.760 But then I really learned, like I don't know, I 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:13.360 just woke. 1:06:13.240 --> 1:06:16.120 Up one day like, wait, is that an autism trait too? 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:21.840 Here's the thing, like especially, and it's understandable why I 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:27.360 think black people have been averse to science or any 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:31.520 sort of thing with medical like therapy and all that stuff. 1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:34.000 This is in allfice. I don't think I have anything 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:37.880 that's more unique than anyone else. I'm just like learning. 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:40.640 This is probably the most I've ever spoken about it 1:06:40.800 --> 1:06:44.680 in public. But once I know and know that I know, 1:06:44.960 --> 1:06:46.360 like there's a level freedom there. 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:46.960 Oh I love that. 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:52.280 Yeah, Like I highly recommend taking that exam and doing 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:54.240 that what do you do for like self care? 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:59.840 Meditation and hobbies and just going outside. I realized I 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:02.760 live in a place that it's warm all the time, 1:07:02.920 --> 1:07:04.840 and I was working myself to death so much I 1:07:04.920 --> 1:07:06.720 never got to experience a warmness because I would be 1:07:07.400 --> 1:07:09.560 until it got night and it got cold. And so 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:13.240 just really like I always think, how did the first 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:15.920 people on the earth and people before we even invented mirrors, they. 1:07:15.840 --> 1:07:17.680 Didn't care what they look like, you know, Like it's 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:20.000 like you listen to the birds. And I had a 1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:22.600 revelation one day when I was in my bed, I 1:07:22.800 --> 1:07:23.360 now wake. 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:24.440 Up with the birds. 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:26.960 That's what they made the alarm clocks like after so 1:07:27.040 --> 1:07:28.680 we would wake up when they wanted us to wake 1:07:28.760 --> 1:07:32.320 up and get to our jobs. And just enjoying simple 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:36.120 stuff like that listening to birds, going like, I love 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:36.880 old people, man. 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:38.040 I hang out with them all the time. 1:07:38.440 --> 1:07:41.120 Yeah, because they're retired and they just noticed suff This 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:42.960 guy says, just saw Cooper Hawk up there. 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:47.360 I'm in I'm like show me. You know, they have 1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:48.840 time and they enjoy stuff. 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:50.720 Do you collect anything? 1:07:51.560 --> 1:07:55.360 No, because I my husband collects everything, and I can't stand. 1:07:57.640 --> 1:08:00.720 Makes them throw away the record collection, not the record 1:08:00.760 --> 1:08:01.160 of collection. 1:08:01.400 --> 1:08:05.000 But if you have wrestling figures that some of them 1:08:05.040 --> 1:08:07.640 are worth. I look him up to see you. But 1:08:07.840 --> 1:08:09.680 he's also the type my husband is. 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:11.880 He's a legend. Also yeah, and so, but he's not. 1:08:12.960 --> 1:08:15.440 I remember when I first saw Tarique take someone's I 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:18.519 thought someone's giving you their CD. How gracious he was, Like, 1:08:20.080 --> 1:08:24.800 but we were young. But also I understand now as 1:08:24.840 --> 1:08:27.160 a wife who has a husband who people give things, 1:08:27.400 --> 1:08:28.040 but he doesn't. 1:08:28.080 --> 1:08:29.200 He keeps them all. 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:32.840 Every painting of him and every painting, every you know, 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:38.320 and his WWE fans are like so intense, Oh my god, 1:08:38.439 --> 1:08:39.400 do you go to those matches? 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:43.880 I've never seen I have seen him wrestle once, but yeah, 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:45.599 when I went, I didn't know anything about wrestling. 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:48.559 I was like, damn, this is dangerous, this is scary, 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:49.840 but it's awesome. I love it. 1:08:50.520 --> 1:08:53.120 Like do you ever get afraid for his safety? End? 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:54.360 No, because he stopped. 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:56.439 But when he did a backflip right when he was 1:08:56.520 --> 1:08:58.280 forty nine, because he wanted to do one more and 1:08:58.400 --> 1:08:59.760 like gotten rid for the road. 1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:01.240 But everything. 1:09:01.680 --> 1:09:03.840 I tell him the reason that WGA went on strike 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:05.800 is because of him using up my insurance because all 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:06.479 those injuries. 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:16.479 God, what is your dream project? What is the project 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:19.799 you are dying to execute and get off the ground. 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:24.840 I be honest, anything with Regina King, And because I 1:09:24.920 --> 1:09:28.600 know nothing about her and I just see all that 1:09:29.560 --> 1:09:30.479 and I don't want too m K. 1:09:30.640 --> 1:09:32.479 She's not nice because I've met too many people and 1:09:32.680 --> 1:09:34.360 just let me have my dream that Regina King is 1:09:34.400 --> 1:09:35.320 my best friend in my head. 1:09:36.320 --> 1:09:37.400 Yeah, I think she's nice. 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:39.880 Okay, have you met her? No, never met her, never 1:09:39.920 --> 1:09:40.360 worked with her? 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:42.520 Wait? You work out here in Hollywood? 1:09:43.000 --> 1:09:46.719 Yeah, but I mean she's she didn't do TV until recently. 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:49.800 And no, that's the thing. Here's the thing. 1:09:49.840 --> 1:09:52.559 Also, I don't work in Hollywood because of the changes 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:55.519 in the industry. I work in Toronto, and I work 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:57.280 in New York. I was a New York last show 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:59.920 for six months. So it's like I'm barely here. 1:10:00.360 --> 1:10:04.960 Okay. Is is Hollywood just a concept now? Because even 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.960 for me, like all my friends are going to Atlanta 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:14.479 or Tomronto or Vancouver or yes, is anything just straight 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:18.160 up shot and produced out here? 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:19.559 Very few things? 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:22.479 And I mean you have to have a high, high 1:10:22.920 --> 1:10:25.320 level of stardom to get it done out here. But no, 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:28.439 most of my friends and even like the Scrubs reboot, 1:10:28.520 --> 1:10:29.759 they're all up in Vancouver. 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:32.000 It's an are you a part of it? 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:34.320 No? I like my marriage, I don't want to go back. 1:10:35.560 --> 1:10:38.160 Congratulations for choosing yourself over. 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:41.679 And I realized that the last time I went away 1:10:41.880 --> 1:10:43.439 and we have to be away from each other for 1:10:43.520 --> 1:10:46.240 four months, it's not fun. People like you get to 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:49.120 travel for work and no, we work day to night 1:10:49.280 --> 1:10:52.880 and just go home. Like I remember going to New York. 1:10:52.880 --> 1:10:54.240 I think I'm gonna call I mean, I'm gonna see 1:10:54.240 --> 1:10:55.360 all these things. I didn't see anything. 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:58.479 Yeah, I've been on sets where, especially with comedy shows, 1:10:58.560 --> 1:11:03.719 where literally don't get yes yes time to yourself. 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:07.760 And I didn't realize like how hard it is like 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:13.080 to be funny in the in the face of pressure. 1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:17.519 And Yeah, and it's also every show you go into 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:21.679 there's a big managerial aspect to it. That some people 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:23.559 are funny and come up with great stories, but they 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:25.400 don't know how to manage your room, so they realize 1:11:25.600 --> 1:11:27.240 they don't like any jokes at four am in the 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:31.040 morning and I'm like, dude, I'm over fifty now I can't. 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:33.400 When I was on Scrubs, I was like, sure, Bill Lawrence, 1:11:33.400 --> 1:11:34.559 I'll pull another all nighter. 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:35.000 Yeah. 1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:38.360 I was gonna say, Okay, so I want what show 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:41.040 I visited? I went to Two and a Half Men 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:43.559 once right, and. 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:48.560 Was chuck there. I think all I know is that 1:11:48.760 --> 1:11:52.639 whenever they took a break, like someone didn't like a line, 1:11:53.200 --> 1:11:55.040 and the directors like, hut, cut cut and it take 1:11:55.080 --> 1:11:57.720 five whatever, and they took five. And the way that 1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:00.680 those writers formed a magic circle, they all knew what 1:12:00.880 --> 1:12:03.519 order they had to be in. It's like, I don't 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:04.920 I don't like the da da da, not only the 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:07.000 da da d D. So what do you got for me? No? 1:12:07.240 --> 1:12:08.439 What do you got from me? What do you got 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:08.680 from me? 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:08.880 What? 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:13.400 And it felt like a creative version of Russian roulette. Ooh. 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:17.480 And here's the thing you don't see is that sometimes 1:12:17.720 --> 1:12:19.360 we have already worked on that line in the room. 1:12:19.680 --> 1:12:22.080 And sometimes I've worked with some talented people, but there's 1:12:22.080 --> 1:12:23.599 some people won't say anything in the room. Then you're 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:25.840 gonna get on set where the stars are it's like 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:29.920 they kill it. Yeah, and then everybody from the network 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:30.760 is looking and I'm like. 1:12:30.840 --> 1:12:32.960 I pitched that last week in the room, you know. 1:12:33.439 --> 1:12:35.280 So it's just like then you get up to the 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:38.320 room and someone's fighting because it's like it's a lot, 1:12:38.520 --> 1:12:39.960 Like you say, it's a lot. 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:42.760 Does your dream project have a title to it like. 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:43.720 The you know what? 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:46.800 Actually, my dream project would be about a fifty year 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:48.760 old woman trying to get back in the workplace, figuring 1:12:48.800 --> 1:12:50.400 out what she really likes to do. And I started 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:52.559 writing it just because I know a lot of women 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:55.080 now who are their forties and fifties, and we all 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:57.400 took that this is what our parents wanted us to do. 1:12:57.600 --> 1:13:01.000 I did it very well, but realized what the hell 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:03.160 do I like to do? But also having to deal 1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:05.920 with I just had the realization that I could have 1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:08.320 given birth to Megan the Stallion without being a teenage mom. 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:10.479 And that's always the level I see if I'm old, 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:12.599 Like if I was a teenage mom, maybe I'm still 1:13:13.000 --> 1:13:13.559 She's top of. 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:15.160 The charts, and I could be your mother without being a. 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:19.680 Teenage could be Wow, whoa It hit me. 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:23.080 Oh, and so now when I talk to younger people, 1:13:23.200 --> 1:13:25.800 I'm always thinking that I know you didn't just tell 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:27.400 me what time I could go home. I could be 1:13:27.479 --> 1:13:31.120 your mom, you know, but that's the industry. 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:33.439 That's gonna sit with me all day to day. Like 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:38.880 I could be Megan the Stallion's dad and not have 1:13:39.160 --> 1:13:44.040 been that hit me hard. That's the quest left show, 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:59.680 ladies and gentlemen. We'll see you later. Okay, I mean 1:13:59.720 --> 1:14:02.519 to ask you the same question three different ways. Okay, 1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:05.759 you were in Capa. What year tenth No, middle of eleventh, 1:14:06.040 --> 1:14:11.080 let's go before tenth grade? What was sixteen year old 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:17.000 Angela Nissile's version of what success was? What five things 1:14:17.000 --> 1:14:18.560 would have been? Like I made it? 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:20.280 Oh god, this is I. 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:23.720 Mean, it's embarrassing. But a boyfriend who is eventually going 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:27.400 to ask me to marry him. Okay, some place to 1:14:27.520 --> 1:14:30.240 work with a cubicle where I can maybe have off days. 1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:32.040 I needed to go to the hospital or like go to. 1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:36.880 I remember thinking you didn't want a better place to die? 1:14:37.840 --> 1:14:40.599 Thinking, how do you, as an adult like ask your 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:42.200 Boston that you need a day off? 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:43.840 And do you? God? What else? 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:47.479 Oh god, it's so a nice back then, at least 1:14:47.479 --> 1:14:49.280 a nice car only had to be a Benz or something, 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:50.080 not like a Bentley. 1:14:50.200 --> 1:14:54.879 Like now I was like a benz An apartment downtown 1:14:55.000 --> 1:14:57.960 in the nice section of Philadelphia where the cobblestones are. 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:02.759 Yeah, can I tell you, I gotta tell you something. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:04.840 I hate Michael Bivens for this. 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.920 When they shot the Motown Philly video and you know 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:12.639 the cobblestone place on like second, you know, the Wow 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.400 Wow is on like second in South Street. So Michael 1:15:15.439 --> 1:15:20.360 Bivins purchased one of those houses there, and man, Me 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:25.000 and Rieke were like, Yo, that's what's up. Like I 1:15:25.240 --> 1:15:27.920 go by that place now, It's like, Yo, how did 1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:32.479 I think success was living? I almost purchased. Matter of fact, 1:15:32.600 --> 1:15:36.400 before I purchased what do I call it? The sixth 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:37.840 cens Housey. 1:15:37.320 --> 1:15:38.959 I didn't know you purchased that. That's hilarious. 1:15:39.240 --> 1:15:43.120 Oh when I tell you what I have to do 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:45.519 to hang on to that house because it's now like 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:48.960 literally four lawyers are trying to like, I'm the last 1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:52.720 black owner, wow that entire neighborhood. I lived on the 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:56.120 block that was formerly the six cents block, and they've 1:15:56.320 --> 1:15:59.040 since then, four people have taken it in regental like 1:15:59.200 --> 1:16:02.200 there's no abandon houses and I'm the last person hanging 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:04.040 on to that place. And they're trying every way to 1:16:04.080 --> 1:16:06.800 get me out of there. But before I brought that house, 1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:08.960 there was like a spot. I swear to god, maybe 1:16:08.960 --> 1:16:11.960 it's like nine hundred square feet, but I thought, man, 1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:14.400 I'm living off South Street, Like I can go right 1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:17.519 to the diner, take a joint of the diner, go 1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:18.759 to a rich movie theater. 1:16:18.960 --> 1:16:21.200 Like if I thought that was living. 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:23.320 Right, we didn't. People didn't realize your whole world was 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:25.320 your city, the pre internet, you know, and that's all 1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:27.200 we knew. And those were the best houses we saw. 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:31.960 Now I'm like, oh god, exactly, Wait, you didn't name 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:32.599 your last one? 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:34.240 Oh my god, what would be the last one? 1:16:35.600 --> 1:16:37.800 Boyfriend? You wanted a better place to die that gave 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:39.160 you time off to go to the hospital. 1:16:40.600 --> 1:16:42.840 You wanted a Ben's animal sanctuary. 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:46.920 I always wanted, always would bring home the animals drops Parkway. 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:54.160 What is your greatest extravagance? 1:16:55.800 --> 1:16:56.040 Wow? 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:59.840 Or actually your first big check? What did you get? 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:02.400 Oh my god, this is so you remember when Nike 1:17:02.600 --> 1:17:06.080 had this thing online where you could uh design. 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:10.439 Your own doings, design your own doings? 1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:15.639 You were just that was my first check. I was like, yeah, 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:17.080 I'd be sitting like with my feet on. 1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:19.720 Behind everybody like, where'd you get them from? One on one? 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:20.000 You know? 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:23.559 That was what I did? Oh my god. 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:29.040 When we got our checks, I purchased yeah, eight, that's 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:31.760 I didn't let my dad know one. He didn't know 1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:34.280 we had a record deal. I told you. Dad didn't 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:36.120 know about till the second alb until do you Want 1:17:36.160 --> 1:17:38.360 More came out? He didn't know about. Like I hit 1:17:38.439 --> 1:17:38.960 it perfectly. 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.120 My cousins gave me away because you know we're in 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:46.719 the inquiry, you know whatever. But I purchased seven pairs 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:47.320 of Pumas. 1:17:48.200 --> 1:17:49.760 Yo. When you get you remember. 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:53.320 When new shoes like that feeling I'm having new shoes 1:17:53.880 --> 1:17:57.280 Like I lived in a might get one pair of 1:17:57.320 --> 1:18:01.360 shoe a year. For school, you get play shoes and 1:18:01.520 --> 1:18:04.799 then your school shoes. But there's nothing like a fresh 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:07.240 pair of sneakers. So the first thing I did was 1:18:07.320 --> 1:18:11.320 got seven pairs and you couldn't tell me nothing. But 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:14.120 then one day my dad was like, then you have 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:17.240 red Puma's on the other day and I was like, yeah, 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:19.519 I brought two pairs and I had to hide like 1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:22.720 I think I hit him in some girl's crib, Like 1:18:23.320 --> 1:18:26.960 that's yeah, but having having wait. 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:29.800 What's so funny is when you say that, people think 1:18:29.840 --> 1:18:32.280 you came up so easy. When you say your dad, 1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:34.760 this is the biggest memory I have of your dad, 1:18:35.160 --> 1:18:37.599 me calling your house, him saying he's practicing Click. 1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:42.920 Yes, my dad was. He was Jill Jackson in West Philadelphia. 1:18:43.720 --> 1:18:45.599 So I was like, damn, I don't have a dad, 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:48.720 but I'm glad I don't have that one. He just 1:18:48.840 --> 1:18:51.240 up on a friend. He didn't know what I needed. 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:53.760 The rules were. 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:56.200 I better be in this house before the Opra theme 1:18:56.320 --> 1:18:59.720 comes on, like you know, like the Fresh Prince of 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:05.240 Belly thing when Carlton here is you started dancing. That 1:19:05.400 --> 1:19:08.360 song is so nightmares to me. That part of my 1:19:09.520 --> 1:19:13.040 therapy of getting over that, Like you don't know what yeah, 1:19:13.080 --> 1:19:15.280 I mean you you know where we went to school, 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:17.800 and you know how long it takes to get to 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:22.240 Market Street and the distractions you're in enough gallery or whatever, 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:25.680 and then you gotta get to West Philly and then 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:29.439 take another bust like I have an hour to get 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:35.439 home before like the happiest song in the world is 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:40.439 also just do not let that theme come on and 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:43.360 your ass is not in this house no more. 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:45.840 Soul trained for three weeks, like literally and I got 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:49.280 soul trained punishments even like yeah, sorry. 1:19:49.280 --> 1:19:51.640 No, I'm cracking because that's a mirror that I know. 1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:55.880 So that's I was like, whoa, all right, So the 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:59.200 first half hour of your day when you wake up, 1:20:00.040 --> 1:20:00.479 what do you do? 1:20:01.400 --> 1:20:02.880 My animals? My dog? 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:03.720 How many animals do you? 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:05.400 I only have a dog and a cat. But my 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:07.400 dog looks at me like we going out yet? And 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:08.200 so I'm like, that's why. 1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:09.280 So they wake you up? 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:11.840 Yeah, because he wants to. Of course, he wants to 1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:14.439 go outside. Animals love outside, I mean, but he just 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:16.639 gives me that look. And I'm glad I never had kids, 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:18.000 because if a human. 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:19.160 Ever looked at me the way he looks at me, 1:20:19.320 --> 1:20:20.439 like what kind of dog is? 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:23.360 He's a big lab mutt mix. But he's like, oh, 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:25.360 you still love me, You're gonna take me outside. 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:28.040 He doesn't jump in the bed, No, it's just like 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:28.960 the sad look. 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:31.560 But then once we get out there, pip, so that 1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:33.560 also good. That's also good for me. It gets me 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:35.719 out of the house first to talk to my old friends. 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:39.360 I'm in a new relationship with a It comes with 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:39.760 a dog. 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:45.240 I didn't realize that they wake you up when they're hungry, 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:50.880 so usually and motherfucker will sit anywhere like on your neck, 1:20:51.600 --> 1:20:55.519 on your face, which basically tells me like you little 1:20:55.600 --> 1:20:58.439 late with the see with. 1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:00.320 You can also train them out of that. 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:02.040 Because my dog, whenever he comes up to me, and 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:03.720 I know he's already had everything he needs, I just go. 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:06.400 So he thinks that him coming up to me makes 1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:07.679 me fall asleep at a certain time. 1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:09.160 Of the day. And he respects us. 1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:12.880 He's just like I turned mom off when you do 1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:14.040 it enough. It's repetition. 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:15.040 How old is this dog? 1:21:15.280 --> 1:21:15.960 This dog's five? 1:21:17.200 --> 1:21:22.639 Yeah, all right, mine's it's hiawa, but it's fifteen. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:27.160 the whole old dog trick thing, doesn't you know? Do 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:28.679 you believe in past lives? 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:32.880 That question worries me because I don't want to be reincarnated, 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:36.600 so I kind of do, but I'm scared because then 1:21:36.680 --> 1:21:38.160 that means I gotta come back here again. 1:21:38.840 --> 1:21:44.560 I don't want to. This is how life can be 1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:45.040 a lot. 1:21:45.040 --> 1:21:47.320 Man not to self removed. But have you ever seen soul? 1:21:47.960 --> 1:21:48.000 No? 1:21:48.200 --> 1:21:49.719 I not, actually never saw them move. 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:54.920 Okay, so I their their version. I highly recommend, first 1:21:54.920 --> 1:21:57.719 of all, every Pixar film. It's really for adults. 1:21:58.080 --> 1:21:58.880 It's not for kids. 1:21:59.479 --> 1:22:01.519 I believe that there and that's why I got involved 1:22:01.520 --> 1:22:04.120 with it. Then that was the seventh draft, Like the 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:05.000 first draft. 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:08.000 Literally, I was like, yo, you guys are going to 1:22:08.080 --> 1:22:10.680 release this version because it was so mind blowing, how 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:16.360 brazen they were about metaphysics, reincarnation, all these things. And 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:19.360 in my mind, I'm like, oh, man, like, I gotta 1:22:19.360 --> 1:22:22.880 think about this movie because I know many a right 1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:25.800 wing pund and be like, yo, liberal Hollywood's trying to 1:22:26.439 --> 1:22:29.320 get our kids off of God and into But I 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:36.040 know that that version of the film, that's what I 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:37.680 believe that the Cycle Life is. 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:39.400 Now I'm gonna watch it. 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:44.080 It's a must watch, all right. Can you tell me 1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:46.360 what is your most overused emoji? 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:51.759 According to my niece, it's the laughing while. 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:54.599 Crying sideways or straight. 1:22:55.000 --> 1:22:57.679 See. I always feel like the sideways is trying too hard, 1:22:57.800 --> 1:22:59.280 like I'm better than the other people. I don't know 1:22:59.360 --> 1:23:03.679 to use that it means the same thing. Why can't 1:23:03.720 --> 1:23:04.680 you just use that one? 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:08.840 But five of those laughing sideway also, that's sort of like, 1:23:08.880 --> 1:23:10.400 all right, I laughed at your joke and now I'll. 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:14.040 Leave me alone. Yeah, a scene five of those are 1:23:15.680 --> 1:23:16.600 Do you have your phone on you? 1:23:17.160 --> 1:23:17.880 Oh it's out there? 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:20.400 Someone grab No no, no, no no. 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:27.519 This is hilarious only because, uh, someone taught me this 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:28.639 thing where. 1:23:30.000 --> 1:23:31.439 You you can just wear the whole bag. 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:36.400 So someone taught me this thing that whatever your most 1:23:36.560 --> 1:23:41.160 used emojis are, that represents where you are in life. 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:44.200 But I started a new thing. So if you're gonna 1:23:44.240 --> 1:23:46.880 look at my most used emojis, it's gonna be really weird. 1:23:47.080 --> 1:23:49.400 Because you had a unique response to somebody. 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:52.439 Because I tell everyone that there's certain emojis that don't 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:53.400 get enough love, and. 1:23:53.880 --> 1:23:56.719 You started using Yes, all right, I did feel bad 1:23:56.920 --> 1:24:00.320 for Okay, so when they did the update with nine 1:24:00.360 --> 1:24:05.200 new emojis, right, so they updated and added nine new emojis, 1:24:05.240 --> 1:24:08.400 and one of them seemed really boring. I felt bad 1:24:08.680 --> 1:24:11.880 for that one, so I started. I did it as 1:24:11.920 --> 1:24:15.840 a joke, but now I'm using it out of pity. 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:19.920 Are we the same person you said that before? 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:21.960 I'm cracking up because I'm like, if you literally see 1:24:22.000 --> 1:24:24.680 my emojis, you'll be like, ange, what are these? 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:31.400 Okay? So, so does the pretzel mean that you missed Philadelphia? Wait? 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:34.880 I've never seen a person use the pretzel emoji. Yeah, 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:37.360 it's literally all right, So this is me analyzing you 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:38.559 based on. 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:44.240 Your rose so everyone knows that the left side is 1:24:44.280 --> 1:24:47.080 the one that you used the most. All right? Is 1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:48.800 this like the punch in the face one like that? 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:52.599 I it's wait, I just knew that one. 1:24:52.640 --> 1:24:54.800 That's the last newsed. That was just to send my 1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:56.880 cousin something because we go. Is that like a U 1:24:57.320 --> 1:24:58.519 or I don't even know what that one. I just 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:01.160 feel like it's confusion or all right? 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:03.960 So the heart one is good, the sad one, the 1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:06.439 shrug all right, shrug one we always use. All right, 1:25:06.840 --> 1:25:10.599 you're wearing purple? Oh mine is blue? What is all right? 1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:16.840 So the chicken inside the egg those recently, that's right, 1:25:17.160 --> 1:25:21.200 we did have eastern what's the pretzel represent That was. 1:25:21.360 --> 1:25:24.240 Just me sending because we know when you have a 1:25:24.360 --> 1:25:26.519 t when you live across the country from people you love, 1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:28.519 you run out of things to talk about. So with 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:31.400 my cousin, now I just we send emojis back and 1:25:31.479 --> 1:25:37.080 forth that mean nothing and just the bestel Yeah, like. 1:25:37.080 --> 1:25:38.320 I canna let you see you know what. 1:25:38.560 --> 1:25:42.280 I absolutely believe you when you use it, just non 1:25:42.400 --> 1:25:44.280 sequitor like random ship. 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:48.400 Wait a minute, use the cats. No one uses the 1:25:48.479 --> 1:25:49.960 cat emojis. 1:25:50.920 --> 1:25:53.240 Like the cat faces they doing my sewing forums? 1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:03.040 How many? How many? This is hready my favorite of 1:26:03.200 --> 1:26:06.160 this series. How many friends do you. 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:08.479 Have on my sewing for him? 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:10.800 Oh my gosh, how many? 1:26:10.840 --> 1:26:11.000 Take? 1:26:11.200 --> 1:26:13.000 What are you sewing? You mean knitting? 1:26:13.840 --> 1:26:17.160 Well, Crouch, I've really tried. I realized for real, like 1:26:17.360 --> 1:26:19.719 during the pandemic, is like, I don't have no hobbies. 1:26:20.520 --> 1:26:22.880 So I started to Yeah, what have you learned? 1:26:23.120 --> 1:26:24.680 I learned that I should not try to redom on 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:25.639 the floor by myself. 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:30.400 Okay, No. 1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:33.960 YouTube makes everything look so easy, and I am very frugal. 1:26:34.080 --> 1:26:35.519 I'm so I'm like peeling stick. 1:26:36.439 --> 1:26:39.880 Oh god, all right, what have you succeeded in as 1:26:39.920 --> 1:26:42.000 far as YouTube tutorial? 1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:45.519 You know, just sanding down and finishing furniture with a 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:47.800 nice difference. I love thrift stores and if there's a 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:49.760 chair for five dollars, I'm gonna make it work with 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:50.280 a sounder. 1:26:52.160 --> 1:26:53.320 I am addicted to there. 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:56.240 There's a YouTube show in which they'll take old furniture 1:26:56.920 --> 1:26:59.160 and make it into new furniture and kind of makes 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:01.960 me think I can do that. But then I realized 1:27:01.960 --> 1:27:05.240 I'm quest love and that's not a good idea. So 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.679 I don't do that, but someone recently, like this morning, 1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:13.000 I saw someone take a treasure chest and they turned 1:27:13.040 --> 1:27:15.439 in like too elegant green, like it almost looked like 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:18.320 a Louis Louis Vauton test. 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:20.000 And so that's what you do. 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:21.919 That's what I want to do when I retire. 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:25.600 Like that's oh man, just I swear to god, I 1:27:25.760 --> 1:27:29.320 could be Laura Ingles. I just I mean, minus a 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:29.800 few things. 1:27:29.880 --> 1:27:40.560 But wait, someone just posted on Instagram where if you 1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:44.760 remember who's Laura Ingles's arch nemesis on the show, Oh 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:47.160 my god, I do not the blonde girl that we 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:50.320 all have Nelly. Wait, how do you know? 1:27:52.280 --> 1:27:52.479 Wait? 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:59.960 How old are you? Okay, so your grandma will watch? 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:04.519 Okay, it's an episode where Nelly was faking an injury 1:28:05.400 --> 1:28:08.160 so that she didn't have to go to school, and 1:28:09.200 --> 1:28:11.320 you know everyone's going to school, and she was making 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:15.040 Lara do her work for her, like do these hard chores, 1:28:15.520 --> 1:28:17.599 carry bucket up of water and all. 1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:19.320 These things, do her homework for whatever. 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:23.280 And one day Laura had left like some sort of 1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:28.760 item in the house and she like, remember, I gotta 1:28:28.800 --> 1:28:30.880 go back and go get it. And right as she 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:34.960 was walking to the house. She caught like Nelly like celebrating, 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:35.880 like literally like. 1:28:37.439 --> 1:28:39.600 Like she's in the. 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:41.200 Crib, like oh, like all that stuff. 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:45.640 And Laura got so incensed right that she knocked on 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:47.680 the door and she, like Nellie got back into the 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:51.240 wheelchair like oh yes, And Laura came in. She's like, oh, 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:53.040 you know, just I forgot to take you on your 1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:54.920 morning walk. And she walked up this big hill and 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:57.040 then she just tossed her. 1:28:57.080 --> 1:29:00.400 Over a damn that's not where I was expected as started. 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:03.680 She tossed her over a mountain and whatever, like and 1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:07.120 the mom's watching the mom who's equally is evil. 1:29:07.960 --> 1:29:10.120 Okay, I'm sorry this became like two old people talk 1:29:10.160 --> 1:29:11.080 about I know. 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:13.000 After the young person in the corner was like, my 1:29:13.080 --> 1:29:14.280 grandmom like that show. 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:19.519 Uh do you make up your bed every morning? 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:20.400 Yes? 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:22.080 I do, because the dog does jump in and I 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:23.719 want him to jump on the top, not on my sheets. 1:29:25.240 --> 1:29:27.120 Other than that, I never made it before the dog. 1:29:27.800 --> 1:29:30.439 All right, what is your motto? What is your life motto? 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:31.000 Who? 1:29:32.760 --> 1:29:36.680 God? It's funny because I had literally just written this 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:39.120 down because I decided I needed a life motto, and 1:29:39.200 --> 1:29:43.360 now I can't remember. I swear to God my notes. 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:45.559 He was like, I need inspiration, something to. 1:29:45.880 --> 1:29:47.680 I just thought, I will crack up if this is 1:29:47.680 --> 1:29:50.360 at the top of my and watch it be something stupid. 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:53.519 Note to self, get yourself a life motto. 1:29:54.560 --> 1:29:59.479 No, I'm laughing because this is let's see, No, that 1:29:59.600 --> 1:30:02.879 ain't God. If I had a life mottol it would. 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:09.080 Be find a life model that and honestly. 1:30:08.960 --> 1:30:11.560 Be kind, be kind, be kind, be kinder than you 1:30:11.640 --> 1:30:13.799 think you need to be. Don't take anything personal. 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:17.200 That's what if you don't authentically feel like being kind. 1:30:17.479 --> 1:30:21.439 You know what I've learned that most well, I mean, 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:25.519 I mean if someone's punching you in the face. But yeah, 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:28.960 I mean just from going through taking care of my 1:30:29.080 --> 1:30:32.120 mom and her death and just a bunch of other things, divorced, 1:30:32.160 --> 1:30:35.040 and you just never know what that person walking down 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:37.479 the street is going through. And some of the people 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:39.360 I remember most of my life are people who just 1:30:39.360 --> 1:30:40.920 stopped to give me a smile, or like I could 1:30:41.000 --> 1:30:43.560 name that teacher right away who bucked me up, but 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:46.479 can't name under the other ones. So it's like, I 1:30:46.680 --> 1:30:48.960 just want to be that person that might say, someone 1:30:49.040 --> 1:30:50.120 from jumping off a bridge. 1:30:51.200 --> 1:30:55.200 Okay, I totally understand that. What is the best gift 1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:56.840 that you've ever given? 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:04.160 The best gift, I would say, taken my taken one 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:09.599 day to give mind this is hilarious. I would say, 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:12.439 taking my niece to go to the slime Museum in 1:31:12.520 --> 1:31:14.200 New York, taking a day off from work when I 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:16.080 was working on that show, and we went to someplace 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:18.320 called the Slime Museum. And it is the most bootleg 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:18.720 you can tell. 1:31:18.760 --> 1:31:21.160 Somebody just rented the bottom of this and threw a 1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:23.000 bunch of slime and a bunch of unhappy workers. 1:31:23.280 --> 1:31:25.759 Like, wait, what is the slime museum? 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:26.720 That's what they call it. 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:29.519 It seems like someone just rented a place they knew 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:31.200 that kids loved slime. And I mean there was a 1:31:31.400 --> 1:31:33.720 it was like getting into a club, you know. But 1:31:33.840 --> 1:31:37.360 I bought VIP tickets for her, so we went past 1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:39.280 the club. She felt so she got to make her 1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:40.679 own slime and I got. 1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:43.840 She enjoyed it. THO, yes, yes, it meant the world too. 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:46.640 Who is the funniest person that you know? 1:31:47.600 --> 1:31:50.400 Oh god, that I personally know. 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:53.240 Now, See this is weird because it would be like 1:31:53.320 --> 1:31:55.479 a tie between Dave Chappelle and a dude who talks 1:31:55.479 --> 1:31:58.000 to himself on the corner at CRENSHAWL. 1:31:57.600 --> 1:32:00.640 And Oh, I thought you meant the Gus Christ guy. 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:05.080 But there's just so many people who that's so funny. 1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:07.679 That's the person I sent the pretzel to. But there's 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:11.160 just so many people I find that are funny. They 1:32:11.360 --> 1:32:13.960 just don't know how to hone it or make it 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:16.240 specific enough. They're just funny, funny, funny, funny. 1:32:16.560 --> 1:32:21.679 Okay, I'm not anywhere near like that level of screenwriting whatever, 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:25.320 but I am a person that will take notes if 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:29.080 someone tells a funny story, are you the person to whom? 1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:30.960 Like if you're in a group and someone tells the 1:32:31.040 --> 1:32:33.479 story of like, oh, man, the time that I went 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:35.680 skiing and I caught my husband no. 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:37.400 No, no no, and you're like I'll be right back, 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:41.479 and you're like, so all your notes are Yes, you 1:32:41.600 --> 1:32:42.639 still people's lives. 1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:45.800 That's but that's but it's also I want to punch 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:47.960 up people's lives because there's stories you can tell. 1:32:48.040 --> 1:32:49.400 Like my husband will tell a story and I'm like, 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:50.160 rap it up. 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:54.760 It could be so much better if you come up 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:57.880 with the setup, get people emotionally involved, joke not you don't. 1:32:57.960 --> 1:32:59.519 He's like but I need to tell the whole truth. 1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:00.519 The truth's boring. 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:10.880 You said this, and I god, oh man, all right. 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:14.960 So the person I'm seeing now we had our first 1:33:15.000 --> 1:33:19.439 heart to heart story and she sat down sos, Honey, 1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:22.320 I want to tell you something you know, And I 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:24.760 knew it was serious when the compliments came first. 1:33:26.160 --> 1:33:29.000 The last time this happened to me was Obama, where 1:33:29.080 --> 1:33:32.400 literally the compliment came first, and then I was like, 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:36.000 all right, what did I do? And literally she's like, 1:33:36.439 --> 1:33:39.200 you got to figure out a way. Like I'm surprised 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:40.760 you work at a comedy show and you don't know 1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:41.600 the art of. 1:33:43.520 --> 1:33:45.600 And I'm like, you don't even write comedy, so like 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:49.880 what the hell? Like you criticize me for? But I 1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:52.519 realized at this very moment, like, wow, man, I could 1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:54.479 have used Angeline Life to teach me how. 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:58.920 To My husband would be like, no, you don't. He 1:33:59.000 --> 1:33:59.719 gets so mad. 1:34:01.439 --> 1:34:04.280 All right. My final question to you, yes, sir, what 1:34:04.439 --> 1:34:07.599 is the hardest part of your job that no one 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:11.360 gets to see or experience that it is? 1:34:12.000 --> 1:34:14.559 Everyone thinks that it's a bunch of people throwing around 1:34:14.560 --> 1:34:16.960 funny jokes, because again, they didn't show that part on 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:21.000 thirty rock because truth is boring. It is a bunch 1:34:21.080 --> 1:34:24.240 of no's, and we can't say that. And you've offended someone, 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:27.879 You're gonna offend this sponsor go back in. Someone's offended. 1:34:28.240 --> 1:34:29.960 One of the actors are offended because it reminds them 1:34:30.000 --> 1:34:33.280 of their ex boyfriend, and just the number of people 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:36.160 that whole list you see at the end of the show. 1:34:36.240 --> 1:34:38.800 We have to accommodate what everyone will and won't do, 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:39.280 you know. 1:34:39.640 --> 1:34:41.680 So we'll even come up with that edging expectations. 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:44.040 No, we don't have the set design for that. So 1:34:44.120 --> 1:34:46.080 it's a lot of just or we don't have enough days. 1:34:46.280 --> 1:34:48.720 It's a lot of just sitting there like everything we 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:50.560 built just burnt to the ground and we have to 1:34:50.600 --> 1:34:51.280 shoot tomorrow. 1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:54.599 You know. It's a lot of So is there an 1:34:54.640 --> 1:34:58.439 actual scientific formula to a joke? 1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:03.360 Like Chappelle did a thing where he's like, the joke 1:35:03.439 --> 1:35:06.200 starts with the punchline. He has a whole bunch of 1:35:06.240 --> 1:35:08.000 punchs and this is real. He has a whole a 1:35:08.080 --> 1:35:11.160 jar or whatever with punchlines written, and it's his job 1:35:11.280 --> 1:35:13.160 to figure out what the setup is that will make 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:14.160 that punchline funnier. 1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:17.080 See, I think for him that's true because he's always 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:19.600 Dave Chappelle and so that's where he thinks of a 1:35:19.720 --> 1:35:23.320 place of jokes. But with characters, it's like, I need 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:26.080 to think what this character really do, and so I 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:27.640 need to think like five different. 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:31.160 People, you know. So it's keeping it so people people 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:32.160 online love to say, you. 1:35:32.200 --> 1:35:34.120 Know, that's not what that character would really do and 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:35.720 did they have any black writers in the room, you know, 1:35:35.800 --> 1:35:37.320 or something like that. So it's making sure that you 1:35:37.439 --> 1:35:41.120 keep all these voices in your head consistent and going 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:44.360 with what the audience will recognize from them, even if 1:35:44.400 --> 1:35:46.640 the joke is easier that you want to go for. 1:35:47.040 --> 1:35:50.240 Okay, So I grew up around a bunch of old people, 1:35:51.000 --> 1:35:54.600 so I'm still using like I'm a jazz person, so 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:58.200 I still call people cats and men that's hip or 1:35:58.320 --> 1:36:01.320 you know, that's killing dog or whatever, but that's not 1:36:01.479 --> 1:36:07.559 the language of Now. I'll give Spike Lee a legendary past, 1:36:07.760 --> 1:36:12.000 but like we're kind of past the the hip hop 1:36:12.160 --> 1:36:15.880 jargon of the truth or yes, you know whatever. But 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:20.840 in Spike's world, okay, it's through his lens. But do 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:24.400 you find pressure, Like how often are you on Urban Dictionary? 1:36:25.960 --> 1:36:29.640 Here's the thing, though, one, there's always going to be 1:36:29.680 --> 1:36:32.120 a younger person in the room to correct you, but 1:36:32.240 --> 1:36:35.200 also spending time with the young people in my family, 1:36:35.280 --> 1:36:37.680 Like my niece just lectured me about saying the word 1:36:37.760 --> 1:36:40.439 dope and don't say skibbity anymore. 1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:44.680 That's totally yeah. But then it's funny because most of 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:47.160 the words that they use are our words. She was like, yeah, 1:36:47.240 --> 1:36:48.760 you don't know what clock means? Yes, I do. 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:52.000 They're bringing that back, okay. 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:53.599 Yeah, So talking to her. 1:36:53.640 --> 1:36:55.280 She just at that age where she just puts the 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.720 FaceTime down forgets that I'm even there. He doesn't go 1:36:57.800 --> 1:36:59.680 about her day, but then she'll chime in when she 1:36:59.720 --> 1:37:00.400 remember there. 1:37:00.439 --> 1:37:03.240 So you literally like do time with younger people, just 1:37:03.320 --> 1:37:04.560 didn't see what their language is. 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:07.759 Yeah, ah, man, I want. 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:11.040 To be that person, the one that's just like, see, I'm. 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:13.800 That way with music and it. One time it bit 1:37:13.920 --> 1:37:18.840 me in the ass. I did one bar mitzvah one 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:21.599 you're already laughing at the points line. I didn't even 1:37:21.600 --> 1:37:23.640 get to it. No, someone hired me for a bar 1:37:23.760 --> 1:37:26.640 mitzvah and I made the mistake. Because I work at 1:37:26.680 --> 1:37:29.360 thirty Rock. There's a whole bunch of interns so I 1:37:29.439 --> 1:37:31.680 was like, oh, easy, hey, what was you listening at 1:37:31.720 --> 1:37:34.719 when you was like, you know, because they're already nineteen 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:37.240 twenty twenty one, whatever, Yo, what was you listening at? 1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:37.679 Fifteen? 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:37.880 Oh? 1:37:37.920 --> 1:37:39.360 I was listening to d D Da Da Da Da Da. 1:37:39.800 --> 1:37:42.200 So I had this list already, you know, Taylor Swift 1:37:42.280 --> 1:37:44.639 thirty seconds to Mars Jonas Brothers. 1:37:45.120 --> 1:37:48.439 I had the zone and I arrived to the spot 1:37:48.960 --> 1:37:53.560 and it's a black bar mitzvah, and the look a 1:37:53.640 --> 1:37:55.439 tear I had when I walked in and it was 1:37:55.560 --> 1:37:59.599 like hood like right, And I was like wait, I said, 1:38:00.439 --> 1:38:03.599 apartments for right, and she's said, oh wait, you didn't 1:38:03.600 --> 1:38:04.879 know that my husband played. 1:38:04.640 --> 1:38:08.720 For the Denver Nuggets. I'm dead And I was like, no, 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:11.639 I didn't. And his side of the family was there. 1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:14.640 And that's the only time where I stalled, like I 1:38:14.800 --> 1:38:20.400 needed an extra hour just to find internet and download 1:38:20.600 --> 1:38:23.000 clean versions of hip hop stuff that I didn't have 1:38:24.240 --> 1:38:25.960 was live. Well it was. 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:32.160 But when you're that person, yes, yes, then you know 1:38:32.280 --> 1:38:35.439 I'm on wrap caviar looking up like what are the 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:36.280 kids listening to? 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:37.479 Wait? 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:40.120 You just reminded me of a story because whenever people 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:42.600 ask me about like groups and stuff. The roots is 1:38:42.640 --> 1:38:43.920 the first one that comes to my head, and I 1:38:44.040 --> 1:38:47.920 remember saying this recently and they were like, no, someone neurrant. 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:55.479 Yeah, even I would take myself out of that, all right. 1:38:55.560 --> 1:39:01.000 My final question is how cathartic and healing was it 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:04.000 to I know where the concept came from, but when 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:07.680 did you start it and why was it necessary for 1:39:07.800 --> 1:39:08.760 you to write this book. 1:39:09.439 --> 1:39:13.479 I'll say I've heard authors say that writing you know 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:16.040 about the hardest times of their life is cathartic and healing, 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:18.160 and I'm like, what the fuck drugs. 1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:20.160 Are you on? Because for me it was no. It 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:25.040 was crying and then like trying to make sure I 1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:27.760 look like my husband. We were newly married. He's like, 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:31.200 what is this. I'm like, I'm a writer, but it 1:39:31.320 --> 1:39:32.519 was just no. 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:35.639 It was really hard because looking back at fifteen years, 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:39.080 I'm also closer to my mother's age when she passed, 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:40.960 and I see things why she did a lot of 1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:44.400 the things, and not having her to ask questions of 1:39:44.520 --> 1:39:46.960 and stuff like that. But then once I got to 1:39:47.040 --> 1:39:50.040 the jokes, I was like, all right, who I like 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:53.440 this part, but yeah, the story, the actual story. 1:39:53.560 --> 1:39:55.679 Oh god, I was like, not for this amount of money, 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:57.320 if I were do this again, someone punched me in 1:39:57.360 --> 1:39:59.840 a face. Don't nobody read no more? 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:02.000 Like, yes they do. 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:05.920 Wait, this is like every time I talk to some Okay, 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:07.720 if they read, why they got to tell you. I 1:40:07.760 --> 1:40:09.839 don't usually read, but I'll pick up your book. 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:13.600 Even I've heard that a few times. I've heard that 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:14.360 a lot of times. 1:40:14.439 --> 1:40:16.800 But yeah, apparently, I mean, I thought it was coming back. 1:40:16.880 --> 1:40:18.000 And I've never stopped reading. 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:20.200 But there's just you asked some get on a dating 1:40:20.200 --> 1:40:21.920 app and ask him, man, how the last time he 1:40:21.960 --> 1:40:22.439 read a book. 1:40:24.479 --> 1:40:25.640 It's the most sad thing. 1:40:26.160 --> 1:40:30.120 I Well, see, I thought everyone during the pandemic matters. 1:40:30.320 --> 1:40:34.200 I've read more books post pandemic, Like I felt bad 1:40:34.320 --> 1:40:36.439 that as an author, as a person that has New 1:40:36.520 --> 1:40:41.519 York Times bestsellers. Maybe I was on one two books 1:40:41.520 --> 1:40:41.800 a year. 1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:45.559 Now I'll be done a book in like five weeks, 1:40:46.120 --> 1:40:47.920 and if I really love it, I might get done 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:48.160 through it. 1:40:48.400 --> 1:40:50.000 Like I've read more books in my life in the 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:54.800 last like five six years. Ange, I thank you so 1:40:54.920 --> 1:40:55.959 much for this conversation. 1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:56.840 Oh this was awesome. 1:40:56.920 --> 1:41:00.560 Thank you. I enjoyed its great Angela Thistle on the 1:41:00.640 --> 1:41:04.120 Quest Loft Show. Please purchase a book can I keep 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:06.599 this polease? Yes? This is beautiful. 1:41:16.360 --> 1:41:19.719 Quest Left Show is hosted by Me Mirror, Quest Loft Thompson. 1:41:20.720 --> 1:41:24.560 The executive producers are Sean g Brian Calhoun and Me. 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:31.439 Produced by Brittany Benjamin and Jacob Pain. 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