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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number fifty Tay.

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Speaker 1: In the show, we're exploring the changing dynamics and motivations

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Speaker 1: of the deer hunting world, and we're joined by outdoor

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Speaker 1: filmmakers Dustin Lutt and Aaron Hitchens. All Right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt Podcast. As I mentioned earlier, this

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Speaker 1: is episode number fifty. Can you believe that? Not only that,

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Speaker 1: but we're also recording this episode exactly one year to

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Speaker 1: the date since our first episode launched. And wow, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's been a heck of a year since. And and

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Speaker 1: that said, I want to take a quick second to

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Speaker 1: simply thank all of you for joining us on this

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Speaker 1: crazy ride. You know your support and feedback, and you

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Speaker 1: know the time that you've spent listening to us. It's

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Speaker 1: meant the world. So thank you so much for making

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Speaker 1: the first year of the Wired Hunt podcast such a success. Now,

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Speaker 1: given that it's our one year anniversary, it made sense

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Speaker 1: that this episode we should take on a topic of

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Speaker 1: special importance, and we decided to do just that. So

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Speaker 1: joining us today are Dustin Lutt and Aaron Hitchens of

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Speaker 1: Rock House Motion, one of the most innovative and inspirational

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Speaker 1: filmmaking teams in the outdoor industry right now, and these

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Speaker 1: guys are jumping on the line to speak with us

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Speaker 1: about their most recent film, Game of Inches. In this film,

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Speaker 1: which if you haven't seen yet you should, dives deep

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Speaker 1: into the changing dynamics of the deer hunting community and

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Speaker 1: the dividing camps of trophy hunters and meat hunters. So

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Speaker 1: today we're gonna discuss all of this and much more.

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Speaker 1: But before all that, Mr co host Dan Johnson, how's

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Speaker 1: life treating you today? So you know it's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Typically on an anniversary, Uh, I guess the man takes

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Speaker 1: the woman out for a nice dinner. Um, So, because

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Speaker 1: this is our fiftieth one year anniversary, does this mean

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Speaker 1: that you're going to take me out for a nice

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Speaker 1: dinner because you're the host and I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 1: the co host. Well, I'm glad we know who wears

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Speaker 1: the pants in this relationship, Dan, Right, we got that

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Speaker 1: out of the way without an argument, So that's that's good,

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Speaker 1: just waiting, just waiting for a nice steak dinner. We

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Speaker 1: could probably make that happen, or I can send you

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Speaker 1: a picture of the steak I'll be getting tonight. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that for something. It will just make me extremely jealous,

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Speaker 1: and then I probably won't talk to you like a

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Speaker 1: real marriage. That sounds like a lot of relationships. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's pretty crazy. Fifty episodes, that's a lot. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking a lot, we have. I've probably talked to

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Speaker 1: you more than well pretty probably anyone except for my

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Speaker 1: wife the last year. That's all right, hey, at least

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Speaker 1: you know. The thing about it is we've we've covered

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Speaker 1: a lot of topics, but we really haven't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's so much more to talk about, and uh, I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to you two. Yeah, me too. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's neat. You know, I wonder when we started this

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Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, will there be things to talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, a year from now or two years from now.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like you said, we've put fifty hours

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Speaker 1: in or probably more than fifty hours is a lot

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Speaker 1: of our episodes over an hour um, and there's still

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Speaker 1: a ton of ground to cover. So that's a good

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Speaker 1: thing for the podcast. It's a good thing for you

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Speaker 1: hopefully it's a good thing for everybody listening, UM, because

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Speaker 1: I hope and I think there'll be a lot of

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Speaker 1: really cool topics that we're gonna be diving into over

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Speaker 1: I mean, we already have a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: Welcome to show, guys. Thank you. Yeah, we were just

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Speaker 1: Dustin Latt, I'm originally from South Dakota, moved down to

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Speaker 1: I couldn't take the shot. And eventually they yet they

431
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: made a set and ran off and I didn't get

432
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: a shot at thee yet at the book. But to me,

433
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: that was like an insane experience ajournal. It was crazy,

434
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, nothing between me and the deer in the

435
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: wide open spaces like that was a completely unique and

436
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: experience from me, and it's incredibly exciting. So that was dear,

437
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't have nobody would have had it, and

438
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: I had it. But to me, that was probably the

439
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: pinning pol the season and the deer that I did kill,

440
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, being up north and not having the time

441
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: being exposed to to deer the growing up that many

442
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 1: of the people that will be listening to this have had.

443
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: I've never seen deer really running right like. I've never

444
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: heard of deer grunting, would never seen him funny. All

445
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 1: those fun little bits of interaction that we cherished, I've

446
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: never seen that. So the deer that I killed, it's

447
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: difficult to pick up in the film, but it was

448
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: grunting and harassing, dose and everything else. And to me,

449
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: that was my goal. It was something that was nearly

450
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: it was something that was exciting, um, and it was

451
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: a unique experience. It wasn't necessarily something that was like

452
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: clock Worker I was expecting to happen, or it was

453
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: an animal of a certain size. It was just a new,

454
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: fun experience and and I had an opportunity, you know,

455
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: to kill a deer and and luckily I did. Yeah, yeah,

456
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. Now what about for you, Destin? I

457
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: would say my goal for that season was to harvest

458
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: any mature deer. And mature for me, it's usually you know,

459
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: a solid five year old deer or better. Size wasn't

460
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: necessarily uh an issue. I just wanted to make sure

461
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 1: it was mature. Um. I did also add to the challenge.

462
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: I was hunting the whole year with the regroom as well. Um,

463
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever gone a full y tell

464
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: season only traditional, and that definitely added a lot more

465
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: to the challenge than I expected. Um. Earlier in the season,

466
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: I did pass a nice uh four and a half

467
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: year old deer one sixties. He is one of the

468
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: deer in the video. UM. I kind of regretted that

469
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: later because it was I think a week and a

470
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: half two weeks later the neighbor shop the deer, So

471
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: after that happens to kind of regret passing the deer.

472
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: But later in the season, later in November. One thing

473
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: that's not in the videos. I did actually shoot out

474
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: a deer or a buck that season, um, and ended

475
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: up hitting a pencil sized limb. Um. Aaron was filming

476
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: that one, and that deer was probably only a three

477
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: year old nice rack. But the situation was right, um

478
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: is getting later in the year and I was ready um,

479
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen, you know, adding that extra little

480
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: bit of the challenge. But their recurve and Traditional definitely

481
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 1: added to it that year. So I can't imagine that's uh,

482
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: it's bow hunting in general is an awful tough game

483
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: on its own, let alone go into traditional equipment and

484
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: closing that maximum range so so much so, props to

485
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: you for trying that. Are you, like, did you try

486
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: it in subsequent years? Are you gonna keep on doing that?

487
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: I did not just last year. It comes down to

488
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: my confidence and the amount of time I had to practice.

489
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: Last year. We were pretty busy with work, and so

490
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: I took advantage with the time I could and just

491
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: when out with my compound again. UM, and I didn't

492
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: have success there either. It's just one of those things

493
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: where since I was going back to the compound, I

494
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: kind of my you know, I wanted the age when

495
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: I but I also wanted to diy his class and

496
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: that's just part of the game for me. And I

497
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: don't have a problem not filling the buck tag. Um,

498
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: it's just that extra challenge of getting that mature here.

499
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: It means that much more to me. Um. But during

500
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: the game adventures, seeing Aaron's excitement and remembering when I

501
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: had that excitement, you know, it made me when that

502
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: three year old came in. UM. I had been done

503
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: with Aaron plenty throughout that season. I was like, all right,

504
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: I know, if I shoot idea, I'm happy and that's

505
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: all that matters. So definitely a big lesson I learned there. Yeah,

506
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: so sort of related to that, you know, listening to

507
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: you guys talk about all these different things and you're

508
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: differing goals and standards and and what you're looking for

509
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: in the hunt. I think this all ties into a

510
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: lot of the different themes that I pulled out of

511
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: watching the film myself. But if you guys, if you

512
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: guys could boil it down to one big takeaway that

513
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: you wanted somebody watching that film to have, you know,

514
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: what would that be? And then from there, I want

515
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: to dive into a few of the other topics to

516
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: relate to that. And I guess that Aaron, if you

517
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: want to start, I mean, I think the final line

518
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: of the film, which you know, I'm still very proud

519
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: of it, and they'll always you know, even even move

520
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: me is is a great takeaway. Right, We're all hunting

521
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, and that is an experience and

522
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: a little satisfaction and a little pride and volume, you know,

523
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: a quantifiable game, regardless what that is, whether it's meat

524
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: or antlers or you you know, um, if it's really immaterial,

525
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: we're all out there and we're all doing it fundamentally

526
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: at its core for the same reason that embodies itself

527
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: in different ways than people nize each other over it.

528
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: You know, what do you use as a weapon, Where

529
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: you hunt, how do you hunt? You know, there's so

530
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: many different ways and lenses through which people judge one another,

531
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: and obviously you know it's it's a challenging and dynamic world.

532
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: There are always gonna be people that do things different

533
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: thing to or whether you're gear hunting, whether you're stuck

534
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: in a traffic cham, whether in a business environment. But

535
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, be collnizant of other

536
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: people's upbringing, to be contestant of other people's experiences, And

537
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: whenever you have an opportunity to share something like Dustin

538
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: and I shared, and an opportunity to go and hunt

539
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: and have that experience, don't waste time worrying about who

540
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: does water, how they do that, or admiring people for

541
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: some quantifiable measure when fundamentally the guy that plows out

542
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: and and have everything lining up and shoots a two deer,

543
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: and the ten year old kid that goes out and

544
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: lacks the faun with his rifle. They're doing the same thing.

545
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: And and any time in any effort that's spent worrying

546
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: about that, it's completely feutial, and it's it's disrespectful to

547
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: the the animals themselves, is disrespectful with sport, and it's

548
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: extremely chemic productive. You know, we're in the world as huntress.

549
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: That that is, you know, realistically under some degree of

550
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: threatned the idea that any of us wouldn't spend at

551
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: any time in fighting in regards to to look the

552
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: writer best or the most appropriate way to do something.

553
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: It is absolutely as I and I guess you know,

554
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out of was stronger words now

555
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: than I would have been the film. But you know,

556
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: we need to we need to sort of take a

557
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: step back and look at what we're really fighting for

558
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: and realized thats the last fronst the film says. You know,

559
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: we're all in it for the exact same thing. Yeah, Dustin,

560
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: would you ad anything else that I would say? That's

561
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I mean, there's so much bickering within the

562
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: hunting industry and the hunting community between you know, different

563
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: types of hunters, whether you like the rifle, cross boat

564
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: musli or you know, traditional archery, compound archery. There's so

565
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: much bickering between individual groups and type of hunters that

566
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of making us weaker as a community. UM.

567
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: That doesn't need to be there. And I'd say, you know,

568
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: exactly like the last line, we're all after the same thing. Uh,

569
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: support each other. If you're happy with your destation, that's

570
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: all that matters, um. And we just saw me to

571
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: support each other. So yeah, I really took a lot

572
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: of the same things from watching it myself too, And

573
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the message you guys were trying to

574
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: get across, because, as you both mentioned, it's something that's

575
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: so important right now, especially given we have we have

576
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: so many detractors on the outside that I don't want

577
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: us to be able to do what we like to

578
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: do and hunt. But we don't need any more people within,

579
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, tearing each other apart either. So there's so

580
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: much truth to that, um. But gosh, there there was

581
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: a handful of other themes in addition to that. It

582
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: really was there were a lot of deep topics that

583
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: we could talk about here, um that are running through

584
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: my mind. But I'm curious. Dan, you've been a little

585
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: quiet over there. What was for you? What was the

586
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: big takeaway for you after watching him of inches? Well,

587
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: I think, uh it kind of reminded me. I had

588
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: a I had a bit of a an antler jealousy

589
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: spell myself, and uh it kind of reminded me that

590
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: is that jealousy is just wasted energy that you know,

591
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: should be focused on myself and my goals as far

592
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: as getting a hunt and not and not being jealous

593
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: because somebody else was, you know, shooting a bigger quote

594
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: unquote bigger buck than me. You know, I I work

595
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: real hard. I put a lot of time, just like

596
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: everybody does. And you know, I was getting frustrated with

597
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: myself saying why can't I make it? You know, why

598
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: can't I put it together and and harvest a mature deer?

599
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: And I forgot why I do this in the first place,

600
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: and that this film was a little bit of a

601
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: reminder to me saying, you know, it's not about the

602
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: size of the antlers, it's not about killing a mature buck.

603
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: It's about the experiences and the stories and the memories

604
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and and all that stuff. So it was a good

605
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: reminder to me, and that's that's that's one of the

606
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: takeaways from the film. Yeah, you know, something you said there,

607
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: dan Um ties into another one of the things that

608
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: was mentioned sort of in the beginning of the film.

609
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: I think it was by you, Aaron, when you were

610
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: discussing your initial experiences coming into slightly different deer hunting

611
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: culture in Kansas. Um, and you guys talked about with

612
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: all the hunting media today and Facebook and all the

613
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: social media, everyone is seeing all these great big bucks

614
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: that everybody else is killing, and there's almost this new

615
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: um competition of the hunt almost where everyone's trying to

616
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: one up the other person or post a bigger picture

617
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: or have the greater quote unquote trophy. UM. Can you

618
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that, Aaron, what your experiences

619
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: We're seeing that kind of for the first time, and

620
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: then you know what you think about this kind of

621
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: changing dynamic in the hunting community related to that. Fundamentally,

622
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: as as humans, you know, we're always going to be competitive.

623
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: That's a huge part, you know, psychologically of how we

624
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: make up. You know, what our psyches made and what's

625
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: what's been able to allow to survive over the years.

626
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: But for me to see that in such a sharp

627
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: contrast to what I was raised with. It was, you know,

628
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: it was kind of confusing because where you know, the

629
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: way that I was raised and the way that that

630
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: I was introduced to hunting was simply, you know, if

631
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: somebody shot a big box, it was like a stampede.

632
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Uh you know, orange you know, moderately overweight orange guys struggling,

633
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: struggling through the woods, you know, just trying to find

634
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: our way to the shot because you hear the shot

635
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: is sometimes you hear a guy yell, or you'd get

636
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: a you know, there'd be some lead lets, you know,

637
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: or the dog or the dog or the guy ran

638
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: the chase here the side of the year to see

639
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: it in the radio or whatever, and we would just

640
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: it was just like an all that procession, you know,

641
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: was like it was a complete team apport. And maybe

642
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: a big part of that is we have a cabin

643
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: that's tucked back in the woods, and we put all

644
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: the antlers from all the deer that would shoot together

645
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: up in that cabin and then we nailed them to

646
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: the wall. You know, we just saw it out of

647
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: the floehead and nailed to the wall and take a

648
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: pencil and write out the year and the place, and

649
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: underneath the year and underneath the place, there's the name

650
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: of the hunter. Because the deer comes first, the time

651
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: comes first, the location environment it comes next, and then

652
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: at the very bottom of it, it's the guy that

653
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. Because it really it's in material. And

654
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: the thing that I thought it was frustrating is obviously

655
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: people are going to you know, I would love to

656
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: shoot at the deer someday. You know, I'd love to

657
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: to look up on my wall at a gigantic white tail.

658
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: Let's see, that's something that I mean, obviously everyone wants.

659
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: But you look at it situationally. If you live in

660
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: northern Michigan like you did, you're not going to shoot

661
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: as big as deers as you're doing Kansas. And when

662
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: we hunting Kansas and we hunt land that we have

663
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: permission and we hunt public plan, we're not going to

664
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: shoot as big as a deer as the people that

665
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: have leases. And there's so many extenuating circumstances, so many

666
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: of them are tied to finances that it's impossible to

667
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: compare yourself to other people. Yet here we are doing

668
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: it right, Like, what's going to enable someone to shoot

669
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: a bigger deer than I do next season. They could

670
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: work harder, they could be better hunters, um they could

671
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: get lucky, which is something that people seem to refuse

672
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: to acknoledge. And I respect all three of those things,

673
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: right like, I I respect hard work, and I understand

674
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: that that those are obviously big factors. But beyond that,

675
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: maybe they had, you know, a couple extra and to

676
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: throw it at bait and trail cameras, and maybe they

677
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: have them, you know, a couple extra weeks of the

678
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: case in time, and maybe they had, you know, even

679
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: more money to throw it a leaves and maybe you know,

680
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: and it goes on and on and on, and so

681
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: many these since a financial circumstantial, they go so far

682
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: outside of some of these hunting prows. And even then,

683
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: if you shoot it six and a half year old deer,

684
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: that's a hundred every five inches, you know, having an

685
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: early eight point Are you sure a six and a

686
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: half idea it's two? Are you a better hunter? Because

687
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: that gears bigger? Right Like, that's a very real question,

688
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: and to me the answers is absolutely not. I don't

689
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: think that there's an incremental amount of intelligence or challenge

690
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: that comes with the ambler side. It's simply a byproduct

691
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: of the age. So you know, we should be if

692
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: we're going to be competing, pulling the teeth out of

693
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: our gears, sending the man and posting up the lab

694
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: result on Facebook, if we want to be showcasing our

695
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: our abilities and the hunter. But nobody think that, right,

696
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's kind of funny to me that

697
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: it's this arms race or something that doesn't actually quantify

698
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: any level of of of hunter capability. Yeah, it's um,

699
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: excuse me, it's something that seems to you know, this

700
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: exact thing is happening more and more every year as

701
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: the proliferation of media expands, and it just becomes so

702
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: much easier for anyone to put it out there. Um.

703
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: But I'm curious for you, Dustin, Um, you know, I

704
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: know you've had some experience with Hunting TV and now

705
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Rock House Motion, and you know, what do you what

706
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: do you feel about the overall impact that the growing

707
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: influence of hunting media is having on hunters and our

708
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: expectations and how we relate to each other. Right, A

709
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: lot I do feeling a lot of it's definitely ego driven,

710
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: and it always will be as far as that goes.

711
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: But one thing that bugs me, especially with the social media,

712
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: is how it affects the you and the upcounting upcoming hunters. Um.

713
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: And you get a kid out there who's twelve inst

714
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: shoots his first first dear with the bow and it's

715
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: a spike or a four corm and he's a shame

716
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: to put it up on uh, on social networking, or

717
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, show it to his buddies, even if it's

718
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: just the pictures, simply because of all the big gear

719
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: out there and the the inches game. Um And, like

720
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: Aaron said, that's not what it's about. You know, an age,

721
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: an older dear is probably more of a trophy than

722
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: just inches. But even that doesn't matter. You know, if

723
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: you're happy with what you shot, you know, be happy

724
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: about it, don't be ashamed. Um And I wish that

725
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: could change on social media. I don't know how to

726
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: make that change, but you know, as far as youth go,

727
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: if I was to speak directly to them, don't be ashamed.

728
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: She what makes you happy? If you want to shoot

729
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: a button buck, if you want to shoot a doll,

730
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: shoot what you want. That's how you grow as a hunter. Um,

731
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, so that's that's my take as far as

732
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: the soul for me is that I hate how it

733
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: gives people a guilty feeling if they are, you know,

734
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: makes them feel like they're unsuccessful. It's it's not what

735
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: other people think, it's what you think. Yeah, Dan, Dan,

736
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: I have had this exact conversation. I think we're right

737
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: in line with you guys, and that in the end,

738
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: it does come down to your own personal goals and

739
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: satisfaction and the experience and whether you're judging your success

740
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: by you know, the meat you put in your freezer

741
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: or how old the deers or whatever it might be.

742
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be ashamed of that. Make your own decisions

743
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: and be happy with that. And um, you know. On

744
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: the other hand, though, to your point to that, there

745
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: is something to be said about, you know, targeting older

746
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: deer or bigger deer, or lenging yourself in whatever way

747
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: you seem fit. Now I'm curious. I think Aaron you

748
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: mentioned a bit on this, but Dustin, maybe i'll start

749
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: with you here. What do you think for someone who

750
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: wants to challenge themselves and wants to take the hunt

751
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: to the next level, how should they be setting their expectations.

752
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: Would you recommend they focus just on age or should

753
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: they be pushing themselves on some other criteria. What's the

754
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: right way in your opinion, to push yourself and set

755
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: expectations for that next level of hunting goals and standards. Now,

756
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: I would say that's completely up to the individual um

757
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: where they are as far as pass hunting success. I mean,

758
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: for me, just looking back in the past, you know,

759
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: growing up from a young teenager through high school through college,

760
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: it was always a slow, steady rays and inches and

761
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: then um, you know, it got to be an age

762
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: class thing. And then you know, after I had enough

763
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: hope and young animals in the book, and it came

764
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: down to really whatever made me happy. And then you know,

765
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I kind of if you get bored, change something up.

766
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: You know, that's you don't ever want to get bored.

767
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: That should never happen, Which is where I picked up

768
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: Traditional Archer and its completely new. I had that excitement

769
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: that I had when I was young yet and it

770
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: brought it all back to me and now even with

771
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: the compound, I still get this same excitement. It just

772
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: it rejuvenated my hunting passion and that's what everyone's goal

773
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: should be. Keep yourself excited. You know, whenever you succeed,

774
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: if you're not excited, you did something wrong. So as

775
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: far as your goal, make it something that once you

776
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: succeed and you've reached that goal, you're beyond thrilled about it. Yeah,

777
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: that's so important. It's it's easy sometimes to get so

778
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: focused in numbers or whatever other criteria was set and

779
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: we forget to just have fun. So right, that's a

780
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: great reminder. Now what about you, Aaron coming from different background, Um,

781
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: did you get gaining a new perspective on on setting

782
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: those standards for yourself for in the future. Why what

783
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: I was able to do is understand how people are

784
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: able to think that way. In the past it was

785
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: sort of stivable. But now that I know the volume

786
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: of deer, you know, if you go and shoot the person,

787
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: you see your seasons going to be literally one day

788
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: long every time. You know. So, so you have there's

789
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: a luxury to be able to choose and set your

790
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: goals more lossily than just harvesting a deal, which is

791
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: something I wasn't exposed to. So I don't want it

792
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: to be you know something where I'm I'm necessarily against

793
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: trophy hunting, because I'm not I'm not really against anything

794
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: um as far as a specific way of somebody recognizing

795
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: their own goals. But basically, what my advice should be

796
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: to a deer hunter, whether they're a trophy hunter and

797
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: nele fight, is try and set your goals within the

798
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: realmost something that you can control. So don't set your

799
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: goals around and want to shoot your own insteer because

800
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: there's a good chance but no matter what you do,

801
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: they're going to show up on your phone and if

802
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: you're sitting there begrudguating the fact that there's not an

803
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: animal like that, you know, how can you how can

804
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: you think of that? Obviously there's certain there's circumstances you

805
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: can't control. I'm not saying that you know, only only

806
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: set your goals on things that absolutely will happen. But

807
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: if there's a two you want to kill them, find

808
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: set that goal. But if you don't, set stressholds for

809
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: yourself that are unattainable with the resources that you have available.

810
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: So the way that I do that personally knowing that

811
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have a ton of time behind,

812
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: knowing that I don't you know, with with the way

813
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: that things are with Rockfast, knowing that I don't have

814
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: the land access that I would like to have and

815
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: and the time and energy the both of things. I

816
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: just want to shoot things in a way that it's

817
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: a little bit different. Like I would love to rattle

818
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: a deer in on the ground and kill it. That's

819
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: that's cool to me, you know, being on eye level,

820
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: eye to eye, um, calling a deer and I'm Keith

821
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: water Fell hunter, so I love that interaction. That to

822
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: me is you know, maybe the pinnacle. So if that's

823
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: my goal next season, Um, obviously that's isolated to do

824
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: a certain time of year, but that's the kind of

825
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: thing that that it doesn't matter what kind of ground

826
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: I have or what side whatever, what's the deal after

827
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: it's that that experience and that unique thing and that

828
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: just like hard charging and genaline rush, that that sort

829
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: is that the core of it all back And I

830
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: would suspeople strive or find that one thing that's a

831
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: little unorthodoction. Maybe not, but it's it's attainable and it's

832
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: something that challenges you in your way. That's a cool idea.

833
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: I like that a lot. Another thing you said to

834
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: Aaron that I think UM is an important reminder and

835
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: something that I just wrote about UM for outdoor life

836
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: is about setting expectations based on your circumstances. Um So,

837
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: if you do decide you want to set some type

838
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: of goal or standard, um you know, take a look

839
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: at where you hunt and set those standards based on

840
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, Aaron, what's attainable in that

841
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: region or given your circumstances, and not necessarily base your

842
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: goals off of what you see you know, Lee and

843
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Tiffany doing in Iowa. If you live in New Hampshire,

844
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: you're probably going to be pretty disappointed if you're setting

845
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: those types of standards. Um So I talked to you

846
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: Dr Grant Woods, who a lot of us know as

847
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: a great White till expert, and one of the things

848
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: he recommended we do is take a look at, you know,

849
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: what types of deer your region or your county UM

850
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: is producing. And if if you do want to challenge

851
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: yourself to try to you know, target those um you know,

852
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: more difficult deer to hunt, maybe try to find out

853
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: what the top in age class might be for that region,

854
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: or if you're into antlers, um, you know, figure out

855
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: what that top ten percent of antlers of deer being harvested,

856
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: Aeron might be and then and set goals based on that,

857
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: but saying something arbitrarily based off of TV that seems

858
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: to be a recipe for disaster. Now tying into that,

859
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: you know when we start talking about antlers and the

860
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: focus on antlers that you know inevitably happens when you

861
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: have big bucks on TV and on the front covers

862
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: of magazines and across videos and websites and all the above.

863
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I think we're all guilty of it to some degree

864
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: of of right. We love big deer. They give us excited,

865
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: they're fun to see, their incredible animals. Um, but what

866
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: I want to talk about is are we're going too far?

867
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: And is trophy hunting quote unquote trophy hunting? Is it

868
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: getting to be to a dangerous point? And I don't know,

869
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have an answer to that,

870
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: but I'm curious. Maybe, UM, I'll start with you, Dustin,

871
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: given the fact that you have more of a background

872
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: to that, do you think that the antler craze has

873
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: gone too far yet? Uh? Too far yet? I would

874
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: say it's there. Yeah, it's gonna keep getting worse. Um,

875
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: you know there's the high fence deer and the deer

876
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: being raised to be three foes and um, that's something

877
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm not into. Some people love it. It's it's an

878
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: individual thing. I I don't know where the stopping point

879
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: is or how it would ever stop. I think at

880
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: some point, once people get over the fact there's too

881
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: many deer, maybe that's what's gonna slow down, that there's

882
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: just big deer everywhere. And then it's the experience again,

883
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's my hope. Um. I don't know

884
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: where where how to stop that, but I do believe

885
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: that the antler craze and the inches game, um, is

886
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: definitely over the top. Um. You know, people doing things

887
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: that are uh you know, not not necessarily legal to

888
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: get animals of that size. You know, don't do anything

889
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: to get that dear. Um, it's there, and I don't

890
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: think it's going to slow down. And to your point,

891
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's getting to the point where people are

892
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: doing on ethical things sometimes or they're damaging relationships with

893
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: friends and family because of it. Um, I think that's

894
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: a that's a scary thing that we're seeing. What do

895
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: you think, Aaron from your from your perspective on that.

896
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: I think that uh chikeouting is sort of not to

897
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: get too big pictures, but it's an extension of overall

898
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: societal trend of value results over the process. And I

899
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: think that what's important to me personally this is the process.

900
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: If I if I climb on that, it's not holy shoot,

901
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean our host smoke storite. I made it to

902
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the summit. Um. It's like, you know, remember falling and

903
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: scraping your knee and getting back up and drinking water,

904
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: you know after at sunrise and taking that moment to

905
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: catch your breath. And if it's a job, it's not

906
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: about the paycheck. It's about the expense and the and

907
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: the stuff that you learned along the way. And you know,

908
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: I think the trophy hunt was just like a really

909
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: concentrated example of that where people are completely losing sight

910
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: of what it takes to get there and focusing on

911
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: the end result. And I think that's a danger in

912
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: aspect of life is as much as it is. And

913
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: I think that you know, again, if it makes me happy,

914
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a problem. But like you said,

915
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to jams and family relationships, professional relationships,

916
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: breaking a lot people get so crazy with finding you know.

917
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: I guess the the environment has created such a craze

918
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: around um, these antlers and giant deer that people are

919
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: forward going the process and focusing on this automatics and

920
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: ender danger. Yeah. I I think you're spot on with that.

921
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: And this kind of brings me to something I've been

922
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: like chewing on for a while myself. Um, I've been

923
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: meaning to write something about this, and I'm planning on it,

924
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: but I guess I'll kind of spit out my off

925
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: the top of the head thoughts on this and maybe

926
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: get your guys as ideas on this. UM. And I

927
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: realized this isn't possible because it's so it's it's so

928
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: ingrained in just our vernacular and our vocabulary. But if

929
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: I could, I would love to remove the term trophy

930
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: hunting from our overall vocabulary personally my personal opinion, because

931
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: I feel like, to your point, Aaron, just the terminalogy itself,

932
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: not not actually what people are doing, but just the terminology.

933
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: It focuses on exactly that same thing that you said, Aaron,

934
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: focuses on the end goal and not the process, and

935
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: it focuses on this idea of of this deer being

936
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: boiled down to nothing but a set of antlers that

937
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: goes on the wall and not being the meat that

938
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: we that we you know, feed our families with, and

939
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: all the experiences and all the work and all the

940
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: time and everything that went into that. I worry that

941
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: just that terminology, especially when viewed from the outside. You know,

942
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: when someone who doesn't understand hunting, when they see someone

943
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: talking about trophy hunters, they think that we're just you know,

944
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: Willie nearly killing animals to put their horns on the wall.

945
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: And I think that devalues the hunt, It devalues the

946
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: animal um, and it devalues the entire experience and everything

947
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: that we love about hunting. Um. So my little personal

948
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: rant for the day is I wish we could get

949
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: rid of that word and maybe say something else. Maybe

950
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: it's challenging hunting or mature buck hunting or whatever it

951
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: might be. I don't know what the different, better option

952
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: could be that I might use, But I don't know,

953
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 1: and I am I crazy. What do you think hereon?

954
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? Absolutely? I mean, when you

955
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: know when people when the Super Bowl, the highlight of

956
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: the whole thing isn't get a ring put on the

957
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: thinker at the end of it, right, And I think

958
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: that that's kind of the incumulation with so beheld it

959
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: just like I'm gonna hang this thing up in the wall,

960
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: you know when you go to when you go to university.

961
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: It's not like the diploma unting, right, or a degree hunting,

962
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like, yes, hung it up. This

963
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: is why, like right, it's the tig parties and the

964
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: stuff you might happen to learn along the way that

965
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: really define it. And and yeah, I think that that

966
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: you're unpresent, right, And I think it's especially dangerous from

967
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: the perspective that you're talking about um from the outside.

968
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: You know. I have a lot of people say to

969
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: me through the various exposures to that that wells as

970
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: long as you don't show the hunt, you know, because

971
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: they associate that with with climbing up the mountain and

972
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, and doing whatever you do go on as

973
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: far as shooting an animal and then hacking out the

974
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: antlers and and leading the rest to to waste. And

975
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely the insinuation. And however, I'm true

976
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: it may be UM back the intinuation to the broader

977
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: public and I think that you're you're hunder right, you

978
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: sort of remove that term and and the negative association

979
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: outside of the community. I think, if you a powerful thing, Yeah,

980
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: what do you think dustin from your perspective? I mean,

981
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: and I can't claim to not have ever used that

982
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: terminology either myself. I mean, I target mature bucks, and

983
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: I pay attention to age and inches and all those

984
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: different things, just like you. Um. But but what are

985
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? No, I would agree. I mean,

986
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: in the perfect world, there wouldn't be trophy hunting, and

987
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: it almost be called memory hunting or something like that.

988
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at a deer on the

989
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: wall of my own you know, it's not just looking

990
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: at the size of the deer. You know, each year

991
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: I look at, I can tell you exactly what happened

992
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: during that hunt or that old entire year. You know,

993
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: what made up that whole memory. And that's the the

994
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: important thing. What what makes that a trophy to you individually? Um?

995
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: You know when people hear the turn trophy hunting, Yeah,

996
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: they automatically think of inches. Um. Yeah, I wish that

997
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: wasn't the case, But I don't know, Like I said,

998
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: memory hunting would be cool. But I don't think anyone

999
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: would ever call that because it sounds too cool. I

1000
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: think you're right, although I have tried recently. I've recently

1001
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: wrote something on the blog, and you know, I mentioned that,

1002
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, these antlers will hang into you know what

1003
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people call their trophy room, and I'm

1004
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: gonna start calling up my memory room and I'm gonna

1005
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: try to start the trend with a little little baby

1006
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: stuff there. But but Dan, Dan, what do you think

1007
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: about all this? I just think it's it's up to

1008
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: the hunter themselves too to determine what, you know, what

1009
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: the trophy actually is, because there's a lot of people

1010
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: out there, and I know I know a couple of

1011
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: them who think that because they kill a big buck

1012
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: it makes them special, or it makes them, like Aaron said,

1013
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: a better hunter than the next guy, when it doesn't

1014
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: mean crap. Just because you killed a deer with a

1015
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: bigger rack doesn't make you better than the next guy

1016
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: because guess what, next year, no one will remember that

1017
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: you shot a big buck. No one cares. So I

1018
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: just feel that it's one of those things where where

1019
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: you have to live your life and hunt the way

1020
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: you hunt. And and yes, it's awesome to congratulate and show, um,

1021
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, show emotion towards somebody else being successful, But

1022
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: you gotta worry about yourself. Yeah, so true, so true.

1023
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: You know. Okay, so we we've talked a little bit

1024
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: about antlers and the idea of setting your own personal

1025
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: goals and some different thoughts on the trophy hunting aspect

1026
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: of things. But what about the meat hunting side of

1027
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: the story, especially recently? And Dan and I talked about

1028
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: this just a little bit before the two of you

1029
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: joined us. UM, But you know, recently, there's been an

1030
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: increased amount of excitement maybe about the meat eating aspect

1031
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: of hunting, especially now with the increase of interest from

1032
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: people outside of the traditional hunting community. Lots of quote

1033
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: unquote hipster hunters. People wanted to get into it because

1034
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: of the ability to you know, harvest organic, free range

1035
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: meat and you know, be close to your food. UM.

1036
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: I'd be curious to hear both of your perspectives on

1037
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: this renewed interest on the meat eating side of things.

1038
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: Maybe Dustin, could you give me a couple of thoughts

1039
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, I think it's a great trend. Um.

1040
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing that means more than eating your

1041
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: own venice and that that you've got yourself. You know

1042
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: exactly where it came from. You know, no prosurtive preserve

1043
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: it is you know, like you said the hips to

1044
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: Atip hunting, it's it's great. You know, it's always been

1045
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: about that. That's how it started in the past. You

1046
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: know it should be that way. And yeah, I'm excited

1047
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: to see that trend picking happen. Hopefully it keeps going

1048
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: that way. Um, it should always be regardless of what

1049
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: the animal is, you know, even if it is you know,

1050
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: a great big luck. You know that that meat should

1051
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: not go away and should be cherished regardless. Yeah. Absolutely.

1052
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: What about you, Aaron, from your perspective of kind of

1053
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: starting out that way and still focusing maybe primarily on that,

1054
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: What do you think about this new wave of interest? Um,

1055
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: I've I've been lucky in my life to have been

1056
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: exposed to a lot of different types of people, a

1057
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: lot of different groups of people. I've been super fortunate

1058
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: to feally introduced a lot of friends who have never

1059
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: have had an opportunity to hunting into doing it. And

1060
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: the thing that always that they're always most proud of

1061
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: and the sort of culminating moment for them, almost on

1062
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: top of the kill itself, is whenever we sit down

1063
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: for dinner and with friends and family, and you know,

1064
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: and we serve whatever it was that they harvested, whether

1065
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: that was a doctor, a goose, or a grouserf as

1066
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: in or a turkey or dear, that is the culminating moment.

1067
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: And as far as the hipster hunters are concerned, I

1068
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: worked extremely hard to stay to keep my opinions to

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00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: myself in the social media stage, the personal sanity and

1070
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: professional professional longevity. But I verysiensi um. It was basically

1071
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: to the point where I felt I needed to like

1072
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: people so often too, I felt I do the can

1073
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: year to a situation where somebody is begrudging the the

1074
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: influx of hist centers or you know, that's that's the

1075
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: term that goes with it, and and I just thought

1076
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: that was audacious and insane. And I would love to

1077
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: go on the record and say that anyone who is

1078
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: unwilling to accept an influx of new sportsman maybe because

1079
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: they don't share the same socio economic situation, or the

1080
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: same style or the same political beliefs, for the same

1081
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: religious beliefs or the same cultural background that is absolutely

1082
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: counterproductive to the overall health of our sport and the

1083
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: health of our environment. If you're getting people that can

1084
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: be passionate about this, that's one more person that's on

1085
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: both conservation. It's on both the content and that's willing

1086
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: to share the thing that we care about the most.

1087
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: Anyone that's defensive of that or is against that or

1088
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: responding a way to view this as a negative, in

1089
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, truly needs to reassess what it is that

1090
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: they actually look for UM when they take to the field.

1091
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: Because the way that I my my world view and

1092
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: my view of hunting, every single person that wants to

1093
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: do it and is willing to play within the rules

1094
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: and it has a set of personal ethics is the

1095
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: very most welcome. Of course, it's truestioning when I go

1096
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: set up a duck wide and something somebody that isn't

1097
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,479
Speaker 1: it is um experience sets me up down into near

1098
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: a deer hunting and there's a new tree staying on

1099
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: a spotles hunt. Of course that's struestioning. But at the

1100
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, try and think a big picture,

1101
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: and I think that you know the food being at

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00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: the center of this is only natural like dust and said,

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00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: it's something I've experienced several friends, and anyone who can

1104
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: use this as a negative is that is being really

1105
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: counter productive in regards to the overall context of the

1106
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: industry and the community. I'm glad you went on the

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00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: record saying that, Aaron and uh and let me join

1108
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: you as I one absolutely completely agree with you on

1109
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: that UM and I just think it's it's insane that

1110
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: some people would would want to, like you said, begrudge

1111
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: anyone new coming into this um, into this community. So

1112
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: so I U I am welcoming all quote unquote hipster

1113
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: hunters to the game, join us. It's an amazing thing

1114
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: to be a part of. And I hope any and

1115
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: all people young, old man, woman, UH, rural and urban.

1116
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: I think anyone that wants to experience this should absolutely

1117
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: feel comfortable doing so. And I would put it out

1118
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: to all of us deer hunters to take it on

1119
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: ourselves as responsibility to help anyone who's looking for that

1120
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: guidance because a lot of these people getting into hunting

1121
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: late in the game, they don't have a parent that's

1122
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: experienced with that. Are a lot of these people growing

1123
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: up in an urban situation don't have friends that are

1124
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: experienced with hunting and acquiring their own food and meet

1125
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: in this way. And so it's a it's a responsibility

1126
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: to try to do that ourselves and help those people.

1127
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,959
Speaker 1: So so so that said, I think you know we're

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00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: we're coming up here on time. I want to be

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: respectful of your guys as uh of your you know,

1130
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: schedules and whatnot. So I've got one final question for you, um,

1131
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: and this was up I think again by you Aaron.

1132
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: In the film, you talked about the sort of this

1133
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: different experience down there in Kansas where you were seeing

1134
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, the trail cameras documenting deer and you were

1135
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: seeing you know, you're picking apart these deer pixel by pixel,

1136
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: and you know, there's food plots and there's all these

1137
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: these different management things going on, almost almost agricultural nature

1138
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: of raising deer and hunting them, um, almost cultivating deer

1139
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: in some way. You know, now that you've had some

1140
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: experience with that, can you give me a little bit

1141
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: of your thoughts on on what that was like and

1142
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: where you kind of stand on the management of deer

1143
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: so intensively or is that something you've come to terms

1144
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: with or is that still a weird thing. I think

1145
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: it's for me, it's personally it's weird, but it's definitely

1146
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: something that I have a lot of respect for. There's

1147
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: some people that have an incredible connection with the deer,

1148
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean not his brothers have an undersustaining of the

1149
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: local deer population that I can't begin to wrap my

1150
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: head ran. They We'll find a shed and and within

1151
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: six hours one of them will produce a trail camera

1152
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: photo and say, oh, yeah, this is you know, Bucky

1153
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,959
Speaker 1: seven years ago, and and lent missing, and we found

1154
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: his shed three miles that valley's two miles, you know,

1155
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: we found the shed two miles from where I passed

1156
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: on him as a three year old. And it's incredible

1157
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: death of knowledge that it's in a respect for it.

1158
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: For me, it's not how I it's not how I hunt.

1159
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I can see myself investing that amount

1160
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: of time in it in the future, because you know,

1161
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: I would love I love duck hunting, a few sunning,

1162
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: and I love you know, there's huge broad riety of

1163
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: door activities. So I can't imagine going all in on

1164
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: something like that to that extent, but I definitely have

1165
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: respect for people that do it, and I understand the attraction.

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00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: It's a it's an amazing feeling to have such a

1167
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: great connection with the deer heard, and it's it's probably

1168
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: not something I'll pursue it, it's certainly something that I

1169
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: respect as strange as I mean consider it to be.

1170
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: So I think that will probably put us in a

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01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 1: good position to to probably wrap this whole thing up though.

1172
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: So I've I've really enjoyed this conversation. I think we've covered,

1173
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, some really important topics that a lot of

1174
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: people really should you should be thinking about. These are

1175
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: things that are going on, and these are things that

1176
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: each individual hunter. I think it's important that we think

1177
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: through and chew on. And something you said earlier, Aaron,

1178
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: about the importance of you know, in you in the

1179
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: context you were talking about is new hunters joined the fold.

1180
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: But I think everyone should really have a a personal

1181
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: ethic when it comes to hunting, and I think all

1182
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: these things tie into what each person's personal ethic will be,

1183
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: how they go about setting their standards and their motivations

1184
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: and all those things. It really comes down to a

1185
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: personal choice. But really thinking about that beforehand. So I'm

1186
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: glad we could talk about these things. Um, Dan, I'm

1187
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: curious for you. Do you have any final question? Uh?

1188
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: For Aaron or Dustin before we let them go. I

1189
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: just one thing I'm curious with is you guys, are

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01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, at two opposite ends of the spectrum in

1191
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: your hunting career or I shouldn't say career, but um

1192
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: on two different paths? And I'd like to know what

1193
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: your guys goals are moving forward for And I'll start

1194
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: with I'll start with Dustin, and uh, I'm just kind

1195
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: of curious as a as a quote unquote trophy hunter.

1196
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: And you take age class into consideration, how much, how

1197
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: much longer? What's what's the next change that you're going

1198
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: to do. Let's say you you you shoot have a

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01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: big mature buck the next five years, what's next? What's

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: the next thing you're gonna try to change? Are you're

1201
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: gonna try a different species? And then Aaron, what's your

1202
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: what's your goal for two thousand and fifteen? Just to

1203
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: set that out, I would say, you know, I'm always

1204
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: open to anything new. Um, I've yet to harvest a

1205
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: mature white tail in Kansas, so that's still my continuing goal.

1206
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: Once that's met, I'll obviously change something up. Whether you know,

1207
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: when I do harvest a buck in Kansas, if it's

1208
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: with a compound, I may you know, switch back to traditional,

1209
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: or you know, if I do shoot one with traditional,

1210
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: I'll try and make it a more mature dear or Um.

1211
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: It just comes down to the situation when that deer

1212
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: is in front of me, and if it's something different,

1213
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: something unique, something that I know is gonna make a

1214
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: new memory for me, then I'm going to take that

1215
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: opportunity and you know, make the best of it. Um.

1216
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: Same thing with you know, hunting new areas, whether I,

1217
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, choose to go up to Alaska or if

1218
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: I want to go out into the mountains and and

1219
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: chase elk or a meal deer or whatever, is a

1220
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: new experience. It's always going to be a new story, um,

1221
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: and a new memory for me. So that's what my

1222
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: next challenge will be, is to always make the memory

1223
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: something that stands out in my mind when I look

1224
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: at that animal. Um, you know, whether it's on my

1225
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: wall or when I'm eating it, I just want to

1226
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: know what all went into it. It's awesome and Aaron

1227
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: for me personally this past year, I didn't shoot a

1228
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: deer soul I'd like to shoot a deer. That's a

1229
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: pretty much the extent of my personal goals as well

1230
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: as from my owning standpoint. But beyond that, you know,

1231
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: we have an exceptional platform here at Rockhouse to tell

1232
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 1: great stories. And my fundamental passion as a person, whether

1233
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: it's in the podcast like this one, n film and

1234
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: a story of photograph, is to tell stories. And I

1235
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: want to be able to to create and to share

1236
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: those stories through whatever medium with as many people as

1237
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: I can. I'd love to get my dad dad here

1238
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: and exposed to you know, to get the darning and kanvas.

1239
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: I'd love to introduce um some friends of mine to

1240
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. I'd love to you know, continue you know,

1241
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: with my background as a waterfowl hunt to introduce Matt

1242
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: Dustin uh and deeper and deeper into the world of

1243
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: waterfowl hunting. I am. I am driving a community environment.

1244
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: I love having stories that I can sit down with

1245
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: somebody and reminisce upon. I was in the stand with

1246
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: not this past year as she shot a tremendous boot

1247
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: um then I basically just was paralyzed by and was

1248
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: unable to film due to the fact that it was

1249
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was real, Like I argue, he

1250
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: was than any when he smoked that. And to see

1251
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: mad who's so calculating and and so often, Yeah, they

1252
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: had just shot some ridiculous dear and over the years

1253
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: to sit there and just watch him just shake was

1254
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, to me some first period if I had

1255
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: that opportunity myself, because you get to see people that

1256
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: that well, you have the big deal of mean more

1257
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: to him than they would to me. And and that

1258
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,479
Speaker 1: being able to shore out with him as my friend

1259
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: and capture the recovery which will be out this next year,

1260
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: something that they will be pushed out to your sick

1261
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: as channels. And that's that's that's what I care about

1262
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: that story. It's enriching the story and and creating something

1263
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: to reflect upon and challenging myself. That's pretty vague and

1264
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: pretty pretty broad, but it's it's another story that's always

1265
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: we're hunting for and hopefully it gives things continue out

1266
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: that people will enjoy when we get a chance to

1267
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: tell my rock. Yeah, well, I'm looking forward to those

1268
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: stories in the future and for those that want to

1269
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: either watch the game of inches or be aware of

1270
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: whatever is new coming down the line for you guys,

1271
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: Where can people go to get that and get more

1272
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: information about you guys? Facebook Instagram are both great sources

1273
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: as far as the day to day behind the scenes stop.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you'll see some of our better images, You'll

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Speaker 1: see some fun images, You'll get an idea of who

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Speaker 1: we are as people. You can follow us personally as well.

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Speaker 1: You will be easy to find. But yeah, broadcast motion

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, broadcast motion on Facebook, and if you want

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Speaker 1: to see the breadth of our work, we have an

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Speaker 1: account on Vimeo, broadcast motion on there and on five

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Speaker 1: pixels for us skills images. And you're just like making

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Speaker 1: cool stuff and and hopefully people find a way to

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Speaker 1: to enjoy it, whether they're sportsman or not. And and

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Speaker 1: we love to hear from everybody. So if your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on on this or any other work that we've ever done,

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Speaker 1: I'm just shoot us, I mean personally me or dustin

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Speaker 1: an email. And at rockcast motion dot com, destint brodcast

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Speaker 1: motion dot com We're always open to hearing what people

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Speaker 1: think and hearing stories because we're any man in a

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Speaker 1: very unique medium where we get to tell stories, but

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Speaker 1: they go out to the internet and we never get

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Speaker 1: to hear the impact that they have on people. And

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Speaker 1: when we do, it's usually pretty profound, so positive or

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Speaker 1: negative in agreement and disagreement. We love to everybody. So

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Speaker 1: it's in how do you want to engage? Please look

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Speaker 1: us up. It's it's it's been a fun riding. I

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Speaker 1: hope that it continues, and it's fun to have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity like today to discuss what that some some like

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Speaker 1: minded individuals who also you know, may have some different opinions,

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Speaker 1: but we can open a fun discussion like this one.

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Speaker 1: I speak on me haf a destinent and pretty confident

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Speaker 1: in myself that this is something that we very much

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Speaker 1: enjoyed and been challenged by this discussion. And thanks to

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Speaker 1: you guys. Congratulations on the Outdoor Life cover and the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and a big thanks to you for having us on

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Speaker 1: as well as oh of the companies and sponsors that

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Speaker 1: we have and the people supported us to be how

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Speaker 1: they do. Do we do because it's pretty pretty unique

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Speaker 1: and phenomenal existence, and we wouldn't be able to do

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Speaker 1: that people believing in stories and late we do so

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Speaker 1: absolutely well, we will make sure to include all the

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Speaker 1: links to your website and your very social media profiles

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Speaker 1: and everything on the show notes for today. UM So,

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Speaker 1: for everyone listening, if you want to connect with these guys,

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Speaker 1: go to Wired two Hunt dot Com slash episode fifty

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Speaker 1: and I'll have links for everything that Aaron just said there,

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Speaker 1: so you will be able to click to it and

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Speaker 1: get in touch with them or check out their work, um,

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Speaker 1: and please do that. Please do check out their videos,

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Speaker 1: check out their images. Um, these guys are doing some

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Speaker 1: incredible stuff. Um, so check that out. And Aaron and

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Speaker 1: Dustin thank you so much for joining us, and Matt.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget Matt and Matt too. All right, well, thanks again, guys,

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time. Thanks guys. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: that's going to be a rap for us today and

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Speaker 1: I hope this episode got you thinking a bit and

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Speaker 1: maybe you'll a good conversation started for you the next

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Speaker 1: time you sit down with your own hunting buddies. That said,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, for show notes from this episode,

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Speaker 1: with all the links and resources we discussed today, please

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Speaker 1: visit Wired to Hunt dot Com Slash episode fifty. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of fifty, as we noted already, this is our

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Speaker 1: one year anniversary of the podcast, and if you've been

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Speaker 1: listening along with us since we started, I've got a

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Speaker 1: big favorite ask. If you haven't already, could you please

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Speaker 1: give us a rating or review on iTunes. It's super easy,

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Speaker 1: it takes just a couple of seconds, and it would

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Speaker 1: be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Also, if you're not

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Speaker 1: yet subscribed to the podcast on your phone or tablet,

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. It makes this whole podcasting experience

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Speaker 1: a lot more enjoyable and easy, and you'll get each

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Speaker 1: week's new episode download straight to your device. Moving on,

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Speaker 1: as always, we'd like to thank our partners who have

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Speaker 1: stepped up to make the Wired Hunt podcast possible. So

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Speaker 1: big thank you too, sick A Gear Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,

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Speaker 1: d Knee Blinds, Huntera, Maps, Hunt Soft Lacrosse Boots, and

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. And finally, thank

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Speaker 1: you to you. This has been an absolutely incredible year

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Speaker 1: of podcasting and without you guys listening, they wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been possible at all. So thank you from the bottom

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Speaker 1: of my heart, and as always, stay Wired to Hunt.