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Speaker 1: One of the biggest scandals in NBA history has hit

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Speaker 1: and Chauncey Billups insider information rigging poker games and even

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Speaker 1: I've kind of been picking up and you know chance

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Speaker 1: as a former teammate, great dude, kind of knew Damon

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Speaker 1: there is a lot going on, and let's let's let's

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Speaker 1: walk down this timeline. Johntay Porter was first hit on

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Speaker 1: He's facing up to forty or fifty months in prison.

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Speaker 1: But let's keep in mind the NBA doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: picked up allegedly providing inside information leading to Betts. He

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Speaker 1: but the FED said, nah, not yet. We got some

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Unpack I mean, they're saying, I think you guys have

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Speaker 1: Billups may be involved in extending information about players games players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of requested a briefing with Adam Silver concerning gambling before

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Speaker 1: this weekend, before October thirty one, which is Halloween. You know,

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Speaker 1: to me, living in this crazy world we're in right

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Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there. I guess how much blame

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting conversation. I mean, gambling has always been

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Speaker 1: I mean there was people were making fun of at

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Speaker 1: So obviously some things have to be done. Gambling is

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Speaker 1: It's always been here, It's always going to be here.

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Speaker 1: doing this. Again, everyone I mentioned today is alleged. No

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Speaker 1: I want to welcome to the show, our resident expert

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Speaker 1: on some of this. Welcome to the show, my brother

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Speaker 1: ke On Doling.

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Speaker 2: Ke On. What's up, bro Man, Good to see you, Bro,

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Speaker 2: Good to be seeing. Good to be seeing.

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Speaker 1: Great to see you as we're key on to me

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Speaker 1: to know we're coming up on a year since you know,

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Speaker 1: you've kind of reacclimated and you know everything in society.

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Speaker 1: You know that all the media buzz right now is

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Speaker 1: What was your initial thought?

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Speaker 3: So the initial thought for me and Matt thanks again

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Speaker 3: for having me, man, I miss you boy.

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Speaker 2: Your hadline is still looking great, man, ain't it? Man?

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Speaker 2: I'm forty five and this shit is up front.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm jealous, low key, But my initial thought

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Speaker 1: Walk us through the morning you were arrested, the time,

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Speaker 3: You know what, it takes me back to like our

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Speaker 3: all the Smoke Productions. Matthew Barnes all y'all boys, man,

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate you guys for giving me that opportunity

438
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Speaker 3: and I'm you guys are trailblazed a place that a

439
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Speaker 3: lot of us are trying to get to.

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Speaker 2: And so man, I just tip my hat to you guys. Man,

441
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Speaker 2: keep doing it, keep going.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, you know I love you, your your

443
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Speaker 1: family and to all again. To be able to see

444
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Speaker 1: you laying back on your feet like I know you

445
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Speaker 1: would and be able to you know, make the best

446
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Speaker 1: out of it.

447
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Speaker 2: So uh shit. Moving on.

448
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Speaker 1: Week one of the NBA season has just passed and

449
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Speaker 1: it's been explosive. The NBA is in great hands right now.

450
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Speaker 1: What stood out the most for Week one for you?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

452
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Speaker 3: It's two things that really stood out to me. I

453
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Speaker 3: think Wemby really stands out to me.

454
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Speaker 2: The fact that there is number on keep your thought.

455
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Speaker 1: I want to throw out numbers before you praise him.

456
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Speaker 2: What is he about? I think it's thirty three, thirteen

457
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Speaker 2: and six blocks.

458
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Speaker 1: Thirty three points, thirteen rebounds and six blocks a game.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And that with the compudhists and the monks and the

461
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Speaker 1: right the changing shots he was with Kg's with Jamal

462
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Speaker 1: this summer. I mean he is scary, scary, scary, but

463
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Speaker 1: go ahead, and before.

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Speaker 3: He really stands out to me along with some of

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Speaker 3: the other superstars because we've had multiple fifty point games.

466
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Speaker 3: I mean sometimes we get desensitized to like SGA and

467
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Speaker 3: things like that because he's already dropped fifty. You know,

468
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Speaker 3: Austin Reeves had fifty one I think last night.

469
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Speaker 2: So those guys like, right, you expect that.

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Speaker 3: But Wemby in his body and his movements, I've never

471
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Speaker 3: seen a center that plays like a shooting guard but

472
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Speaker 3: then protects the rim like minute bowl or some shit like.

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Speaker 2: It's even more.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's what is the I want to say

475
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Speaker 1: the league. Mark Eaton holds the record and that to me,

476
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Speaker 1: I mean obviously to be able to everything you just said,

477
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Speaker 1: to be able to protect the protect the paint the

478
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Speaker 1: way he does, change shots, block shots, get the rebound,

479
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Speaker 1: and go lead the drop like lead the fast break,

480
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Speaker 1: get all the way downhill if he wants, or he'll

481
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Speaker 1: give you a has he pull up three at seven

482
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Speaker 1: foot eleventeen, and you know what I mean. I just

483
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Speaker 1: I don't think we've we've never seen this. We may

484
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Speaker 1: never see anything like this.

485
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Speaker 2: Agaude.

486
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Speaker 3: The dude came up the floor and he understood that

487
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Speaker 3: it was a two for one situation.

488
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Speaker 2: He's the center from deep and he pulled that from them.

489
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Speaker 1: When the lefty has he he had into it.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's awesome to see you his growth, his development.

491
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Speaker 3: But also what I like about him is that he

492
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Speaker 3: took an approach that was so humble, Like he went

493
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Speaker 3: and got.

494
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Speaker 2: Centered by going to see the monks. Right. You saw

495
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Speaker 2: him with the ball head.

496
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Speaker 3: He fed his childhood love for the community by going

497
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Speaker 3: out and playing soccer. Then he went it saw the

498
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Speaker 3: Jedi warrior. KG took for dog and mentality. He got

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Speaker 3: himself healthy. Remember the summer before last he had the

500
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Speaker 3: Olympics right, and they were on their way in that

501
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Speaker 3: situation as well. So we are witnessing history right now.

502
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Speaker 3: If he can stay healthy, he's going to go down

503
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Speaker 3: as one of the greatest players of all time.

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Speaker 1: But we're also seeing something that I think I don't

505
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Speaker 1: and we would have to go back who has dominated

506
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Speaker 1: both sides of the floor the way he has. Obviously

507
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Speaker 1: we've seen Michael Jordan win Defensive Player of the Year

508
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Speaker 1: and be able to score his thirty points, But I

509
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Speaker 1: think what Wemby's doing is even different than that, you

510
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, being able to lock up, being

511
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Speaker 1: able to protect the basket and then you know, on

512
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Speaker 1: the offensive side. I mean, you know, obviously only one game,

513
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Speaker 1: but Anthony Davis is one of the best defenders in

514
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Speaker 1: the game, and Anthony Davis could not do anything with him,

515
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Speaker 1: So what makes you think anyone else in.

516
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Speaker 2: The league can.

517
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Speaker 1: So I'm definitely excited about what he's been able to do.

518
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Speaker 1: That's a young, very talented team. And keep in mind,

519
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Speaker 1: Dearon Fox hasn't even played yet, you know what I mean,

520
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Speaker 1: And you got these these these young Harper out there

521
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Speaker 1: and Castle and San Antonio has rebuilt the right way

522
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Speaker 1: and with the franchise player leading the leading the helm.

523
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Speaker 1: So it's going to be very interesting to see what

524
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Speaker 1: their journey is. Is there any nicknames that come to

525
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Speaker 1: mind when you think about Wimby?

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I was thinking about it in a

527
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Speaker 3: sense where history would take place, I would call him

528
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: the Ananaki, the Nephlum, you know what I mean, deliath Junger,

529
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Speaker 3: like something that's like affiliated with being a giant. I

530
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Speaker 3: don't know what nickname we're gonna call him, but like,

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Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it, and I'm seeing his siblings, like,

532
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Speaker 3: you know, on the same track as him.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, crazy, crazy crazy.

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Speaker 1: The Internet's saying Wemby and Cornett are coined French vanilla.

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Speaker 2: French vanilla, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I ain't mad at that, But that's running Cornet with

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Speaker 3: big fellow, you know what I mean.

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00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: He's not necessarily there yet, we got to find something

539
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Speaker 2: that is unique to him.

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Speaker 1: Also, something that I found kind of interesting and not

541
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: necessarily took the league by storm. But a few teams

542
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: have tried, is trying to play without a true point guard. Obviously,

543
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Speaker 1: the Rockets coming to mind, the Sons come to mind,

544
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Speaker 1: the MAVs come to mind, and the teams come to mind.

545
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Speaker 1: And as of Monday, those teams combined record are four

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Speaker 1: and seven. You look at Houston, what they were what six?

547
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Speaker 1: Eight and above all the way up to seven feet

548
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Speaker 1: with the starting lineup, the Rockets, the MAVs playing and

549
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Speaker 1: all the I love Cooper Flagg, it's a lot to

550
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Speaker 1: ask him to play point guard at this point, not

551
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Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the talent, but it's a lot

552
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Speaker 1: to ask him. Obviously, the te Wolves, with Mike Conley

553
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Speaker 1: being a little older and them not necessarily trusting the

554
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Speaker 1: young boy they got what's his.

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Speaker 2: Name, Dylan Ham. Yeah, Dillingham Dillingham.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then obviously the Sons have been struggling period

557
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Speaker 1: just to kind of find some cohesiveness. But Dylan Brooks

558
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: thinks he's Kevin Durant all of a sudden leading the

559
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Speaker 1: team in shots and taking more shots than Devin Booker,

560
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: which is fucking insane. But what are your thoughts about

561
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Speaker 1: teams trying to play without a traditional point guard.

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Speaker 3: It's a fine line, man, It's a fine line because

563
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: if you look at like Detroit and they put the

564
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Speaker 3: ball in Kate Cunningham's hand early, Kate has to pace

565
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Speaker 3: the rhythm to cadence. Because he's a taller guy. He's

566
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Speaker 3: not what I consider a striker. He's more of an

567
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: initiated He's got a good ground game. He's cut from

568
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: like that Jalen Rolls two point zero type build. So

569
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: he has more of a better opportunity to become a

570
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: point guard than a Cooper Cooper. To me, his superpower

571
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Speaker 3: is his energy, his motor getting out in transition, being

572
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Speaker 3: a live body. I look at him more of it

573
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Speaker 3: as like a Sean Marion like type as far as

574
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Speaker 3: his energy. So it's two things. I think one they'll

575
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Speaker 3: get Kyrie back at some point. Second part is they

576
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Speaker 3: do have d Russ Russell over there as well, so

577
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Speaker 3: if they want to implement him off the ball, they

578
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: could potentially do that. But also when you're talking about

579
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Speaker 3: like developing these young guys, it's a lot of ways

580
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Speaker 3: that you can develop them. Jason Kidd is one of

581
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Speaker 3: the best basketball He's a beautiful mind as far as

582
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Speaker 3: basketball knowledge. So I think Cooper will benefit from having

583
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Speaker 3: a run Rock at the one right, he'll be able

584
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Speaker 3: to benefit it because it'll help him.

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Speaker 2: In situations and things like that.

586
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Speaker 3: But when Kyrie comes back and he can get out

587
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: and he can be athletic and things like that, and

588
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: you can put him in positions to be successful, I

589
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Speaker 3: think that'll be benefit.

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Speaker 1: Agreed Rockets who have championship aspirations year picking up Kevin

591
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Speaker 1: Durant Los van Fleet with to an ACL injury, they

592
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Speaker 1: have assets to make a move at some point, whenever

593
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Speaker 1: that may be. But I definitely think there's a glaring

594
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Speaker 1: hole there. As good as Sangoon is, as good as

595
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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, as these guys are being picked up nearly

596
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: full court and having to back the basket from half court,

597
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: not really in their keel spots and not being effective.

598
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Speaker 1: Granted they're both still scoring very well, but I remember

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Speaker 1: the first game it gets okay, see, well, there's plenty

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Speaker 1: of times where Katie didn't really get the ball in

601
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Speaker 1: his spots.

602
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: He was guided out of his spots.

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Speaker 1: And if you're going to slow someone down, especially someone's

604
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: a little older, it's getting them off their spots. So

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Speaker 1: they need someone to initiate and set the table for

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Speaker 1: these guys. And I think we're taking that point guard

607
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Speaker 1: position lightly thinking that hey, we don't need one. We

608
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: can just be long out here and everyone plays basketball.

609
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Now there's a reason why there's still Chris Paul's here

610
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Speaker 1: in year twenty, and guys that run teams, I mean,

611
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: some of the targets that are out there with expiring

612
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: deals or or you know, friendly situations are calling. Sexton

613
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: has an inspiring deal, Kobe White has an inspiring deal.

614
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: CJ.

615
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: McCullum has an inspiring deal, Jordan Poole interesting situation, DeSante

616
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Murray's coming back off injury, Anthony Simmons, Tyas Jones, and

617
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: then one Drew Holliday who's later in his career. He's

618
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: out in Portland right now. We kind of know what's

619
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Speaker 1: going on with Portland. Although he's owed some money, there

620
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: are teams that can make space for him. So I

621
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Speaker 1: don't know if he'll finish his season in Portland, but

622
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Speaker 1: there's some guys out there, anybody that you think is

623
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Speaker 1: a good fit. Also keep in mind free agents like

624
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and John Wall are also sitting at home

625
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: and ready to jump at the opportunity. Is there anyone

626
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: that you think fits that Houston role?

627
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I do, And it's a wild card because he hasn't

629
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Speaker 3: had an opportunity to play, so you haven't seen him

630
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Speaker 3: play with.

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Speaker 2: The Spurs yet.

632
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Speaker 3: But Fox, right, Fox, it is from Houston, if I'm

633
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: not mistaken. I know he's a Texas boy. And you

634
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: got a young boy who you drafted really really high

635
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: in the draft that has some potential that you got

636
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: to let him go through his growing pains if you

637
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: want to be a contender, because when Fox comes back,

638
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: his minutes might be minimized a little bit. So I

639
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: would say, like deeron Fox, it's a good opportunity. With

640
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: what Harper has been able to show this far and

641
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: the upside that he has, he might be a good candidate.

642
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: You know, to fit that Houston mole.

643
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Speaker 1: The castle as well. I mean, they got two young

644
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: mosters over there. And although Deeron Fox is one of

645
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: the best point guards in the NBA and he just

646
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: got a five year extension too, right, Nate, Yeah, I

647
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: mean the play of these young kids are thinking about,

648
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, making not wouldn't say making them expendable, but

649
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: it makes you say, hmm. Obviously, couldn't trade Fox until February,

650
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: close to the deadline because of the extension, but it does,

651
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, get get the rumor meals started to turn.

652
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Top three players in the week one Wimby again sixteen

653
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Speaker 1: thirteen and six blocks his team is three and oh

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Speaker 1: Sga is averaging forty points six and five as his

655
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: team is three and oh and Giannis thirty six, sixteen

656
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 1: and seven. I want to say, Steph Curry's up there right.

657
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: Steph is averaging nearly thirty three a game at thirty

658
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: seven years old, which is absolutely incredible. Anyone else come

659
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: to mind that we haven't really spoke on. That's really

660
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: kind of out there getting loose up to this point.

661
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Luca, you know, before he went down last

662
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: game and missed last game, like Luca's been putting up

663
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: incredible numbers.

664
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves dropped fifty last night.

665
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon has dropped fifty this season as well with

666
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: the three sixty lob, which I have really never seen

667
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: outside of the Rutger or some shit like that.

668
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: But it's early in the season.

669
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: Man, Guys are healthy, you know, to get the game

670
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: is free flowing and things like that, So it's exciting

671
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: to see. Man, it's a lot of talent in our league.

672
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: I think the rules are conducive for freedom of movement

673
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: and things like that, so I'm excited to see who

674
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: can do it.

675
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: It's not if you can.

676
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: Do it for a week, right because all Star time,

677
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, like those different intersections within the season, that's

678
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: where you know what I mean, It's not just about

679
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: your talent. It's about your sticktuitiveness, it's about your mindset,

680
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: it's about like your habits all.

681
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: Those other things.

682
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, everybody shot out of a cannon right now,

683
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: But I want to see how it looks like December

684
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: after the tournaments and all that stuff happens.

685
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but also too, I mean, outside of these great numbers,

686
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: how do you affect winning? Because at the end of

687
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: the day. That's what this game is about. You know,

688
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: when you look at a guy like LaMelo Ball, who

689
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: has not love him about being one of the most

690
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: talented guys in the league. He's at twenty eight, ten

691
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: and eight, you know, and his team is two and one.

692
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: He stay consistent as he turned the page. I want

693
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: to say, this is your sick for him or seven,

694
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: So he's been in the for a minute. Then Brunson

695
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: at thirty points, six and four and his team is

696
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: two and one. So I mean, to your point, it's

697
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: week one. We're not crowning anybody the greatest outside of

698
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: possibly Winby. There's still a whole season to be played.

699
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: But it's been a lot of exciting overtime, double overtime,

700
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: big shots, big plays.

701
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: Big dunks.

702
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm just Katie, I'm happy the season is back.

703
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: Bro I am too. I miss I miss hoops, love,

704
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: I love I love Matt Real quick, can I make

705
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: a point real quick? Is that okay? Please? Oh?

706
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: The things you mentioned Brunson and Ball, right, Nomelo. I

707
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: think one of the things they could do instantly is

708
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: become more engaged defensively, to be more complete. We don't

709
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: complain about them on the offensive end, if they really

710
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: want to impact winning, I want to see you, you know,

711
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: getting over screens, if you you know, get a switch.

712
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: I want to see you take the challenge, accept the challenge,

713
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: and things like that. Sometimes you don't have to look outwards.

714
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to challenge your superstars to be better.

715
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: And I think they're capable of doing that.

716
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 3: So I don't care if they got to bring pop

717
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: a ball in there to get on Mellow's ass, I

718
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: don't care if you know what I mean, they got

719
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: to bring the og you know, back to talk to

720
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: his boy Bronson up in New York. But like defensively,

721
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: I feel like they can give more effort and that

722
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: can I think that can impact their team's winning.

723
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Speaker 1: And I think when you say this, I mean I

724
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: don't want fans to get confused, like we're not looking

725
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: for first team All NBA defense, just not to be

726
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: a liability, you know, not to be a whole. And

727
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: I think that's something early on that Steph was kind

728
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: of targeted with that he was a liability, and he

729
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: worked his ass off to be a great team defender

730
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: and not a not a huge liability on the defensive

731
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: because you're doing so much offensively, you know what I mean.

732
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: It's very few people can be all NBA on both

733
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. You know, those are the great ones.

734
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: But there are guys that are very talentedlessly putting up

735
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: tremendous numbers that could definitely give more effort to your

736
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: point on the defensive end, which would automatically make their

737
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: team better. Also, some rookies, they're out here showing their asses.

738
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Speaker 2: VJ.

739
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: Edgecomb I mean, insane debut, I think a franchise record

740
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: for rookies for thirty four points, had the third most

741
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: points in the regular season debut behind Chamberlain's forty three.

742
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: And who is that Frank Selvy in thirty five in

743
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four. So he came out and looked great.

744
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Dylan Harper, I mean, we've been big fans of his game,

745
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: and obviously his pops had a lot of game. He's

746
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: been in double figures all three games for the Spurs.

747
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg has been doing this Cooper flag stuff. Cedric

748
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: Coward for the Grizzlies, the eleventh overall pick has been

749
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: nineteen points seventy percent from the three point line. And

750
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: he's a former JUCO guy. Yeah, who's kind of found

751
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: his spot. And then the six pick, Trey Johnson out

752
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: of Texas is averaging seventeen. And you know there's the

753
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: Conka Nipple and Charlotte he had a.

754
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty point.

755
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 1: He's averaged twenty point six and two as of Sunday night,

756
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: averaging about fifth excuse me, had twenty six and two

757
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Sunday Night average about fifteen games, you know, over fifty

758
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: percent from the three. And then Cooper Flagg has struggled

759
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, but you see his flashes. He had

760
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: twenty two, four and four the other night. So you know,

761
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: week one, this is a small taste of what you

762
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: know is to come. Ye and it's a very long season.

763
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: But again, I think the league is off to a

764
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: or excuse me, this season is off to a great start,

765
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: and I'm just really excited it's back.

766
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm excited about it. Matt.

767
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: A guy who you didn't mention, who I like as

768
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: a rookie is a guy down with the Pelicans, Jeremiah Fears.

769
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: I believe his name is when to Ou, when to

770
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: Oklahoma getting down here. I saw him play against John

771
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: Miranda other night. He looks like he doesn't care about anything.

772
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: He ain't scared of nobody. Like these young boys are ready.

773
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: It's like you know, they are bringing two K to

774
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: reality for real.

775
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: Speaking of John Moran, do you see John Morant being moved?

776
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: I hope so at some point, you know, you want

777
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: to get a guy like that into a bigger market.

778
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 3: He's been with the Grizzlies his whole career, and so

779
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: you want to pair him with a program and some

780
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: players that can while he's in his prime, that can

781
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 3: help develop him, can help protect him where he doesn't

782
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: just feel like it's all on him. I think a

783
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: change of scenery would be great for him personally, and

784
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: I would love to see him get with one of

785
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: the better programs where they can challenge him and hold

786
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: him more accountable so that he can reach his full potential,

787
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: because like he's still got it, he's still cold.

788
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: Still got it, And I agree, I think a fresh start. Unfortunately,

789
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: sorry Memphis Grizzlies fans, I think a fresh start would

790
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: do his career. It would just be a new spark,

791
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: a new life, and I think it'll be good.

792
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: Katie.

793
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Javin Brown has struck again with his spray paint hairline.

794
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: It's been unbelievable. I remember, I remember, Yeah, you could

795
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: probably use you might need to hit him. He needs

796
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: the ship that sticks though, like his ship is rubbing

797
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: off on these jerseys. I remember while we played, Remember

798
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: when Booze and I Love you Booze, you did some

799
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: bullshit though. Remember Booze put the black the black shoe

800
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: cleaner or the black shoe dye on his head during

801
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: the game.

802
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

803
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 3: It was an elevated version of Baby Beijing that he

804
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: just maybe didn't wash off. He just was like, you

805
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: know what, I'm good. I'm gonna just go with the

806
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: bowling ball effect.

807
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: Nah, I think get what it was.

808
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: Remember I don't know if I don't know if your

809
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 1: dad had, but my dad used to have this white

810
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: shoe dye and black shoe died that the ogs would

811
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: put on there and it had like a sponge tip

812
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: and you would switze the bottle and it just dabbed them.

813
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: I think that's all he did do is shit. I

814
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: think that's what Booze did and it didn't work. And

815
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: then obviously Jaylen Brown, you know, playing great. There it is,

816
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: it's on the screen, shoe die playing great. But Aithan Brown,

817
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jenny, you got to tighten your ship up,

818
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: bro and raise probably did a probably did a number

819
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: on your on your hairline. Jason Tatum is is the

820
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: hairline king. You might need to go ask you your

821
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: yellow brother. What he suggests for you to uh tighten

822
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: up with.

823
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: All the time is undefeated.

824
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: But you know, like we invest in our bodies and

825
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like we got guys going

826
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: to get their teeth done and things like that. We

827
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 3: might have to call Turkey and yeah, get those hairlines restored.

828
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: Would you lead the trip? Would you?

829
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: Would you lead a trip of of current and former

830
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: players to go and restore their youth?

831
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: I would.

832
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 3: I would love to lead the trip, but Matt Defense

833
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: would have to give me my passport.

834
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: I am still not allowed to leave the country at

835
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: this moment, but damn lead that.

836
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Speaker 1: George, Oh god, I love it. Key y'all man always

837
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: great to catch up.

838
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: God bless you in the family.

839
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Good to see you and we'll we'll definitely uh talk

840
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: to you soon. Fan questions this year on Unplugged, we

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Speaker 1: us and our guests more than ever. We recently started

843
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Speaker 1: a hotline where fans can call in and ask questions.

844
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,520
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