1 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: You want to you want to open? I know I 2 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: usually opened, you wanna. 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: It was really weird last week when I said, hey, hey. 4 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: Hey, all right, I'll do it. Hey, hey, guys, did 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: you miss me? 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: I know I wasn't feeling so great last week, but 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: you guys had an awesome show because honestly, you had 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 3: one of my faves. Marsha, Marsha, Marsha, She's amazing. So 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 3: but I did miss you, guys. I'm so glad that 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: Brown Ambitioned. It's back and we are black and brown. 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: So I'm excited for today's show. Are you excited for 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: Toda's show? 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Mandy? 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this because you've been talking about 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: her NonStop. I feel like since we launched Brown Ambition. 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: I can't believe it's taken us two years to have 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: her on. 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: I know we have a special guest that you'll hear 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: a little bit more about later by this time. By 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: the time they hear from us next, Mandy, I'll be 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: a missus A miss yeah, a missus like. 22 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: You married woman. Yeah to the dog side. 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm joining the double ring club. 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: Wait, Mandy, so wait with the ring, which one goes, 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: which one goes to the bottom your your your engagement 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: ring or your wedding ring. 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: There's no rules. No, don't believe in any rules. I mean, 28 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: I put my wedding band below it. There's also an 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: unspoken rule of like when do you stop wearing your 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: engagement ring? Because you know what I mean, Like there's 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: a lot of anyway. I don't know, just whenever you 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: just get tired of it poking you in the face 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: when you sleep. I guess. 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah no. But I'm excited though, so I can't wait 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: to see you there. 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: I can, we can, we can talk about it right again. Okay, awesome, Yeah, 37 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I'm sorry I had to miss your 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: surprise bridal shower yesterday. I'm getting my teeth ripped out 39 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: of my face. 40 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: No, it's fine, because I almost missed it. I was like, 41 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: I don't feel like going. Girols, like you only should. 42 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: Go, so like we were having a surprise party. 43 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: No, I didn't know. 44 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: My friend Linda told me that she was doing a 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: speaking engagement, her very first one. And I was like Linda, 46 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: because Linda's kind of on the shy side, and I'm 47 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: like what, And. 48 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: She's like, can you please come with me? 49 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: I know you're used to it, but I was like 50 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: exhausted and tired, and I wasn't in the greatest mood. 51 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: And Jerrelle was like, well, Superman, I mean, look at me. 52 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: I sound like you now, Man, he's just putting people's 53 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: names off. Superman was like, you should really go. I 54 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: was like, I don't any line I got. 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: He's like, you really need to get out of the house. 56 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: And I didn't really realize why. And I was like, 57 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: why is everybody pushing me to get out of the house. 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: So I was slightly suspicious, but I didn't know that's 59 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: what it was. I was just like, what's happening? And 60 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: it turned out to be awesome. Honestly, it was so me. 61 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 3: It was just a lunch with like I don't know, 62 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: it must have been like fifteen twenty people if that, 63 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 3: just like my closest family and his family and friends, 64 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: and we just had lunch and hung out. It was 65 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: honestly a precursor to like what our poets vow exchange 66 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 3: lunch is gonna look like the fanciest thing of like 67 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 3: our whole I hate to even say the word wedding 68 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 3: because it's really like we're exchanging vows we're having lunch 69 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: with family and friends, like literally under thirty people, like 70 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: twenty five people, twenty eight. I don't know is that 71 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: the fanciest thing is my dress. My dress is like 72 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 3: super fancy in comparison to the fact that everything else 73 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: is like so like you know, like laid back and chill. 74 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: But I was like, no, I want this fancy dress. 75 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: I have our priorities. Don't tell me anything. I want 76 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: to be surprised. I want to be stunned. I think 77 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: it's Supergirl going to be throwing pedals. 78 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: No, Supergirl is like, you know, she's not. I don't 79 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: think so anyway, because we're honestly, because it's just we're 80 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: going to the justice of the piece and then we're 81 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: going to have lunch with our family and friends. 82 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: I know it's going to be all very cute, very humble, 83 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: but come on at the wedding. 84 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: I know, right, we're definitely gonna do like a whole 85 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: And it's crazy because I so we're because I live 86 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: right next to really beautiful park and so it's beautiful. 87 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: So we're going to take like hours worth of pictures 88 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: beforehand of like just pictures, and my friend, well, my 89 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: video guy have you ever seen any of my budgetist 90 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: videos on social media or online. He's amazing. Well, he's 91 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: a director really, and he's young, like in his twenties. 92 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: So he's actually here because he's coming with me to 93 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: Essence Fest. And so I was like, well, while you're 94 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: here because he lives in Jersey. Well he's from Jersey. 95 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: He lives all over the world now. But and so 96 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: I was like, while you're here, do you think you 97 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: could do a little cute wedding video? He said, yeah, 98 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: So I'm excited about that too, So expect to be 99 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: nauseated by pictures and video. 100 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: I'm so excited for you. 101 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. 102 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: It's weird, I know, like, was it weird the transition, 103 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: like when you guys like came back to the apartment 104 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: where you guys were like, hey husband. 105 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: I mean I was a little bit. No, not weird. 106 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: It did sort of feel I don't know, we'll see 107 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: how Superman does, but I did feel like Enrique for 108 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 2: the first time, like a little bit of that Latin 109 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: machismo came out where he's like, yes, I am a 110 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: husband and you are my wife. 111 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: Somebody else, the young woman Andrea who's making my dress 112 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: she's got this amazing if you ever get a chance 113 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: to go to Pantora Bridal like her, uh Pantra p 114 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: A n t O r A. 115 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: She's on Instagram and like and she has her own webite. 116 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: She's like twenty eight Mandy. She's literally a. 117 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: She's an artist. Her stuff is amazing. I'm like, wait, 118 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: how old are you again? 119 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: And are in the lines and I'm almost thirty. 120 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: Her stuff is I mean, I just can't even describe 121 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: how amazing. So she made my dress and she just 122 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: got married herself just last year, and she said the 123 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: same thing. She was like, cause it's just like us. 124 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: She lived with her husband. 125 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 3: Beforehand, and it was like, I was like, it didn't 126 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: really change when you guys got married. She's like, no, 127 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: but he definitely was more protective, Like that's my wife, 128 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: you know. And she said that, you know, you might 129 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: see that a little bit. But other than that, she's like, 130 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: it's the same awesome. 131 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 132 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean if it was her, there's what I'll say. 133 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: If it was good before, it'll be good after. It 134 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: was bad before, it'll be bad after that. Is that 135 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: a downer now? 136 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: Because not for me, because I don't think it's good now, 137 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: you know. 138 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: I just it's good things worse. There's what I'll say. Yeah, no, 139 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: I make good things better and actually bad things worse. 140 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just glad. 141 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: I'm really fortunate in that I found the perfectly imperfect 142 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: partner because I can be a hot mess and I'm 143 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 3: always like, yeah, my bad about everything that's gonna happen. 144 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: But here it is. And the fact that he's like, 145 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: oh my crazy baby, I'm like thanks. 146 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: My mom was very excited when I told her you're 147 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: getting married. 148 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: Oh she was. 149 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: She sends her best. 150 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: Oh thank you, mama, Tifa. That's so cute. I love 151 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: your mom and your sister. 152 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: They're so cute. 153 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: So anything new happening that I missed out in your life? 154 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: I feel like we haven't spoken in so long. 155 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 2: I got a tooth taken out on Sunday, which was 156 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: the worst thing I've ever done. And Magnify money got acquired. 157 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: I heard. I was like, wait, I mean that's like 158 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: every CEOs, well most people who build a business. That's like, 159 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: you know, like the golden fleee isn't the right terminology. 160 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if the golden flee like the golden goose, 161 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: like the golden parachute, like you know what I mean, 162 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 3: basically the end goal. 163 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 4: At a second, I'm turning it to my dad because 164 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: he always mixes up like his his like you know, 165 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 4: he'll be like, hey, I don't know, like right, dad 166 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: always mixes up his terminology, like that's not the word 167 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: you think I think you meant to use, but you 168 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: know what I mean. 169 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was. It's all sort of been obviously 170 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: really really really really really been sitting on this for 171 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: a little while, not as long as the founders of 172 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: the company, but for too long. I hate keeping secrets. 173 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 2: Super exciting Magnify Money. We were bought by lending Tree, 174 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: which is a huge, a huge player in like the 175 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: mortgage business. They've been around since the nineties, and you 176 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: know they they bought us, and basically what that means 177 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: when companies get acquired is that essentially, you know, we're 178 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: now It's sort of like the way I've described it, 179 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: it's like Hurst magazine or Conde Nass. They have a 180 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: bunch of different brands, different magazines underneath your umbrella, and 181 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: so we're going to be a brand underneath the lending 182 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: Tree umbrella. Okay, but luckily, you know, I came from 183 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: a world where when you got acquired and then everyone 184 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: gets fired. 185 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: I was thinking that it was like, you seem pretty 186 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: excited considerably. 187 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: I've always I'm like, yes, it's okay. It's the kind 188 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: of acquisition where people don't lose their jobs, and in fact, 189 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: my job will get a lot bigger and scarier soon. 190 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: So like, isn't it so crazy? How you know? 191 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: You're like, oh, I'm going to leave this huge conglomerate 192 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: Yahoo to do this, you know, you know, a little smaller, 193 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: a little humbler job, and all of a sudden, you're like, psych, 194 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: I was kicking ass. 195 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes I wonder where I got the balls. I'm like, gow, 196 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: how did I do that? I could? I don't even. Yeah, 197 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: I think that being so far away from having left 198 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: like a big corporation or leaving y'allhoo, a big brand, 199 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: like a recognizable media brand, being so far I'm like, 200 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 2: I realized now the huge risk I took, now that 201 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 2: it's sort of paid off, as that makes sense, Like 202 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: I guess I was just like putting my hand down 203 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: and doing the work and not really thinking about everything 204 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: that was sort of on the line. But yeah, things 205 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: are working out and I'm excited, and everyone, the whole 206 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: team is sort of staying on. All the faiths, all 207 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: your faiths are going to stay on. And it's yes, 208 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: we're just sort of like moving forward. But what it 209 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: means is we get more resources. I can hire more people, 210 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: which is awesome. And we're all down in Charlotte, this 211 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: is where lending Tree is based. We're down here this 212 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: week to meet our new to meet our new colleagues 213 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: and eat some barbecue. I guess yeah, so much change. 214 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: Are we ready for our guests? 215 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm ready? 216 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: Are you ready be a listeners? 217 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: I hope you are, because I think you're going to 218 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: really enjoy her, because I know I do. She's not 219 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: just you know, like a business owner. She's not just 220 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: the innovator, not just to influencer. She's also my friend. 221 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: Come on down. I'm so loopy, I'm exhausted. Might gonna lie. 222 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna save this one. We have the delightful Avita 223 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: Robinson on the show today of No Madness Without further Ado. 224 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Here's our chat with Avida two snaps. 225 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: Yay, hey, hey, hey, be a listener. 226 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: So I'm super excited. 227 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: You know, we don't usually have a whole bunch of 228 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: guests on Brown Ambition because you know Mandy stink Now, 229 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: I'm just joking. No, I'm always the one that's like, 230 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: aw but no, we don't have a whole lot of 231 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: a whole lot of guests. But this guest I'm super 232 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: duper excited about because she is the founder of a 233 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 3: movement that I'm a part of. She's one of the 234 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: reasons why I travel so dang all much. We have 235 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: a Vita Turquoise Robins, and she is the founder of 236 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 3: No Madness. 237 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: Welcome a Vida. Thank you, ladies, I really appreciate it. 238 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on, Avita. I'm so excited 239 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: because I feel like Tiffany has been talking about you 240 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: since the founding of Brown Ambition. 241 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my sweetheart, So Avida, like, I think, well 242 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 6: not everyone's familiar with No Madness, So let's start with that. 243 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: Like what is no Madness? Yea? And like how did 244 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: you start it? Why did you start it? So? 245 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 6: No Madness is an international travel group. We are approaching 246 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 6: seventeen thousand members right now worldwide, and we are made 247 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 6: up primarily of Brown women, African American women eighty percent, 248 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 6: although we have all ethnicities and all gender affiliations as 249 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 6: a part of No Madness travel Tribe, but we definitely 250 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 6: are skewed more towards African American women travelers that are 251 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 6: located all over the world. We have a large population 252 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 6: scattered around the US, but we are definitely full of 253 00:11:55,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 6: location independence entrepreneurs, creatives who have decided that they were 254 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 6: to curate their life and that does not include being 255 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 6: in the United States of America at this point. 256 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: Of their kind of their juncture. 257 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 6: So it's yeah, yeah, but it's an online resource where literally, 258 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 6: if you were going to travel anywhere literally tomorrow, you 259 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 6: could just say, I want to roll out to Italy tomorrow, 260 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 6: Where's the best place. 261 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: To stay, who's in town? 262 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 6: Is there a couch I can crash on, where's the 263 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 6: restaurant and the club to hit up? And it's a 264 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 6: twenty four to seven communication cycle of people really just 265 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 6: supporting one another, and that kind of bleeds into offline 266 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 6: relationships which are done by over one hundred meetups that 267 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 6: we have around the world throughout the year. We have 268 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 6: approaching fifty ambassadors for No Madness right now regionally in 269 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 6: different parts of the planet, which is really awesome. So 270 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 6: they're the liaison locally to also my team and the 271 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 6: Greater No Madness Travel Tribe community, and we're talking about meetups. 272 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: To different sites and landmarks, to you know, a. 273 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 6: Group of people getting together just to have dinner and 274 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 6: vibe out in some crazy locale, all the way to 275 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 6: huge events that we throw, like the one that's coming 276 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 6: up soon actually is our annual barbecue, which has morphed 277 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 6: from an event that's usually around two hundred to two 278 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 6: hundred and fifty members and now we have over six 279 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 6: hundred coming. 280 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: So that's what I've been working on. 281 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: I remember, like when I first joined No Madness, I 282 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: think like I had just missed out on like this 283 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: trip you guys were going to India, and I was 284 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 3: so jealous because I remember I had seen pictures of 285 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 3: the Holy Festival where they throw like that powder, and 286 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: I put it literally on my vision board and I said, 287 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: this time, I didn't even know if you were ever 288 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: going to go back, but I said, I'm going to 289 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: go to Holy with No Madness, and I put it 290 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: on my vision board. And I remember I was on 291 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: a date and not with my super Superman, not with 292 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: my dude now, but I was on this date before him. 293 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: And I remember you having a buy in. 294 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 3: So Mandy, they have like when a Vida used to 295 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: do trips, they would have buyings that would sell out 296 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: literally in five minutes. Yeah, and so they had a 297 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: buyo and I told my date, I was like, so 298 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: in about five minutes, this trip that I want to 299 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: go on is having a buy in. So I'm whiving 300 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: up my computer and I'm I'm handling my business. So 301 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: we were at a restaurant, I took my computer and 302 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: I got on and it was amazing. Honestly, hands down 303 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: one of the best vacations, the best experiences that I'm 304 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: still friends with so many of the women that were 305 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: on that trip. 306 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: It was amazing. So what made you like think and 307 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to take up all your questions many 308 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: but what made you wait? 309 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: Wait, wait, I trying to keep up. 310 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: Maybe like hould up now? 311 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: I have so many questions. That's why I'm going to 312 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: be like pull the brakes. Okay. So first, because I've 313 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: heard about these trips, these amazing trips that you guys planned, 314 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: So are you part Like because I've been on these 315 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: organized trips that I booked through a travel like a 316 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: travel agency, and it's all sort of like planned out 317 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: for us and you just pay a fee. Do you 318 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: guys offer that as well, like more than kind of 319 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: just a community but actual trips. 320 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, so we're approaching six years old, right, and 321 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 6: so for the first five years that was primarily what 322 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 6: we've done. And five years i'm my team as well 323 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 6: as myself. I've curated over thirty trips internationally with No 324 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 6: Madness Travel Tribe, and it has varied to all these 325 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 6: different countries and amazing destinations around the world, ranging somewhere 326 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 6: between usually ten two on the high end when I'm crazy, 327 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 6: around thirty five people on one trip, and tip the 328 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 6: one that you were on, Tiffany was pretty sizable too, 329 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 6: because India was like a rush like everybody people were 330 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 6: not even avid travelers don't like to go. 331 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: To India alone. 332 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 6: So they were like, look like I'm jumping in on 333 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 6: somebody who's she's been doing this for a couple of years. 334 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 6: She's been going to India even before she started No 335 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 6: Madness on her own. 336 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: So you know, I had the legwork and the dues 337 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: paid as far as India was concerned. 338 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 6: But yeah, what we would do is drop the buy 339 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 6: in and we don't get involved with flights. We never 340 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 6: have and that makes sense just because my members live 341 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 6: all around the world. Nobody's ever leaving from the same 342 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 6: place at the same time, let alone a group of 343 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 6: you know, somewhere between fifteen. 344 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: To twenty people. 345 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 6: So we would take care of the itinerary points as 346 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 6: well as the lodging and like round trip transportation to 347 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 6: and from the airports, as well as of the itinerary 348 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 6: points that we created. So that's essentially what people would 349 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 6: be buying into when it was a no madness package. 350 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: Oh that sounds amazing. I mean, as someone I accidentally 351 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: went to India alone last year. Not accidentally. I went 352 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: for work and I was like, well, I'm all the 353 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: way in India. I need to actually go to Mumbai 354 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: and like see what this is like. And I've always 355 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: been like a confident, independent traveler, but one of the 356 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: first things I did was arranged like a get part 357 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: of join like a walking tour, and there were three 358 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: other single women on the tour and we just sort 359 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: of just like all glombed together. And it was so 360 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: and you're like, yes, because you want to like play tough, 361 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: but it is so you just feel so much more 362 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: relaxed when you're it. 363 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, India specifically is a very polarizing place, and I've 364 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 6: heard it and I've seen it. 365 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: You know, India for the most part, when. 366 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 6: People go with us, they you know, they want to 367 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 6: go back. 368 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: Or they really took something from it. 369 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 6: It has the ability to be a real life changing 370 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 6: trip because it will humble you upon arrival. Yes, and 371 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 6: and that's one of the biggest things. That's why I've 372 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 6: gone to India every year for the last seven years 373 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 6: in a row, even before i started No Madness, And 374 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 6: so that's how I've built these organic connections with people. 375 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 6: A lot of the first places that I traveled to 376 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 6: and brought the group to were places that I had 377 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 6: been as a backpacker, you know, before I started this, 378 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 6: Because it's so ironic, I was kind of this road 379 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 6: warrior that would get a backpack and just go off 380 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 6: and be a solo traveler before I started doing group trips. 381 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 6: It's No Madness that brought me into group trips. I 382 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 6: actually didn't even know if I wanted to travel with 383 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 6: people when I first started No Madness and then just 384 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 6: kind of saying yes to the community as. 385 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: It was growing out in its earlier days. 386 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 6: I mean, within six months of us starting the group, 387 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 6: we were on a trip to bocus El Toro, Patama, 388 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 6: so and that was not something that I had foresight 389 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 6: on or you know, saw when I created the community, 390 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 6: I had no idea that it was going to turn 391 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 6: into a business. I remember entrepreneur dot com did an 392 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 6: interview on me, and I can't remember if it was 393 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 6: in the title, but it's. 394 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: Definitely in the interview where she. 395 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 6: Told me, she's like, you know, you're kind of like 396 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 6: an accidental entrepreneur. And I was like, actually, yeah, you're 397 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 6: kind of right because I was looking for community. You know, 398 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 6: I was a three time expat. Right after I graduated college. 399 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 6: I had moved to Paris and was doing filmmaking with 400 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 6: the New York Film Academy, and Parish just kind of 401 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 6: like sucked me in. 402 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: And you know, you're very raw right after college. 403 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 6: You're very raw. You're emotional, you're sensitive. I'm an mpath 404 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 6: by nature too, so it's like everybody's coming at you. 405 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: With a what are you gonna do? What are you 406 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: going to do? 407 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 6: And it's like, actually, I need everybody to have a 408 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 6: seat because I'm nervous and you're making me anxious, like 409 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 6: while I figure out this thing called life and for me, 410 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 6: while everybody. 411 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: Else was trying to hustle so hard to get, you know, 412 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: a job, I actually. 413 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 6: Went and I started traveling right after, literally six weeks 414 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 6: after I got my diploma, and I was the commencement 415 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 6: speaker of my graduating class. Like from the time I 416 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 6: got off that stage at Madison Square Garden. It was 417 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 6: about a six week countdown from when I got on 418 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 6: a plane and I left. So while everybody else was 419 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 6: looking for jobs, I was looking for me. 420 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah. 421 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: I feeling finding a kindred spirit. That was exactly what 422 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: I did in twenty twenty. My little brother's famous quote 423 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 2: was he was seventeen. He's like, you're gonna regret this. 424 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: You should have a job, my seventeen year old brother. 425 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: Oh no, what So, how did the so walk us 426 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: through a little bit of the transition from making this 427 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: community into a business. 428 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, so again, kind of like accidentally, I remember one 429 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 6: of the most pivotal points. 430 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this day and I don't. 431 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 6: Remember the actual day, but we were only three months 432 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 6: into creating No Madness, so it had only been maybe 433 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 6: like a couple hundred people that were in the group, 434 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 6: and at that time we had one member, Alex Hardy, 435 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 6: who was living in Patama, and it was like. 436 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: The one that's my boom. 437 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was the one place where nobody else had 438 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 6: been yet. So he was like this really sarcastic. If 439 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 6: you know Alex, you know he's super sarcastic, intelligent as hell, 440 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 6: but really funny and. 441 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: Kind of a smart ass. 442 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 6: And so he was a character that stood out really 443 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 6: early on in the days of No Madness, and. 444 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: So we were like, look, you're dope. 445 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 6: You have nobody else around you in Paanama, Like, let's 446 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 6: bring the new No Madness experience to you. And that's 447 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 6: how I picked the destination for the first trip. And 448 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 6: I remember it being like a Tuesday or Wednesday, some 449 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 6: like work night, school night. At around midnight, I said, 450 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 6: you know what, Okay, I'm going to open up. These 451 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 6: people are talking about how they want to travel together. 452 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 6: This is not what I signed up for, but I'm 453 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 6: going to say yes to this part of the programming 454 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 6: and see what happens. And so within like thirty minutes 455 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 6: late one night, we had picked a place and Alix 456 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 6: was like, look, if you come to Patama, there's these 457 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 6: islands we should go to Bocas del Toro. 458 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: So I'm like researching places. 459 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 6: I find this villa that fits sixteen people in it, 460 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 6: and so I dropped the information in the group, just 461 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 6: thinking that I can go to sleep and then I'll 462 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 6: be able to finish this conversation when I get up 463 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 6: in the morning. And it was one of the most 464 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 6: amazing things. Because I dropped it, it. 465 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: Had to be approach at one o'clock in the morning. 466 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 6: I didn't go to sleep until about three because within 467 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 6: an hour we knew who the people that were going 468 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 6: to be. We were setting up a way to give deposits. 469 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 6: I had already reached out and people started screenshotting how 470 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 6: much flights were from where they lived to be able 471 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 6: to get to the villa and Bocus del Toro. And 472 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 6: I had never seen something move so fast in my life, 473 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 6: and that was the moment that I realized that I 474 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 6: was really onto something here, that there was a community built. 475 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 6: And even in that moment, I didn't know it was 476 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 6: going to be a business, but I knew that there 477 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 6: was something here. And then like a week or two 478 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 6: into of people were like, yeah, we need to have 479 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 6: no Madness shirts for the trip. So I was like, Okay, 480 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 6: I guess I'm in like merchandise too, all right, So 481 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 6: I'm like the guy that I had create Freshdot Daily, 482 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 6: the graphic designer that I had create our membership cards 483 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 6: that we handed out at the first meet up three 484 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 6: weeks into creating the group. You know, we often screwed 485 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 6: the image and put it together, and that was the 486 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 6: first No Madness shirt. 487 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: So as soon as like money started being exchanged. 488 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 6: That's when I realized that I needed to have some 489 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 6: type of entity to protect it, but also to kind 490 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 6: of like have on standby because I had no idea 491 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 6: what was being built here. 492 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: I just needed community. 493 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 6: So bad with people that had travel as a priority, 494 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 6: you know, not somebody who just hung up on going 495 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 6: when they can for their vacation days, like people who 496 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 6: were really making moves in their lives to have a 497 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 6: either location independent lifestyle or it was a priority, like 498 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 6: they were getting rid of TV bills and stuff like 499 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 6: that to put it towards a travel fund, like people 500 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 6: who weren't playing around with this. And so that's really 501 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 6: when it started to shift into a business. 502 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: It was never a part of my plan. 503 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 6: It was a part of the evolution of me seeing 504 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 6: what the community wanted and where they were going and 505 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 6: saying yes to that, even though I was terrified. 506 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 2: What were you doing around this time? Were you working? 507 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: Were you sort of paint the picture for me where 508 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: you were in your life and your career when you 509 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 2: decided to make, like make a go of this. 510 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 6: I was twenty seven years old and I was a 511 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 6: freelance television producer, so I was working in television, which 512 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 6: is what my background is in. I went to Iona 513 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 6: College and my degree was in mas colm with a 514 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 6: focus in TV and video production, and then my minor 515 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 6: was in fine arts. So I'm also a creative that 516 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 6: entered the business realm. I have absolutely no business background, 517 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 6: and a lot of it is trial and error, you know, 518 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 6: just kind of experimenting with things. But I love the 519 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 6: fact that I'm a creative coming into a business space 520 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 6: because that visionary never leaves and that is such an 521 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 6: integral part to innovation. 522 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 2: You know. 523 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 6: I've seen some business people they kind of get so 524 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 6: wrapped up in like the numbers and the business ye 525 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 6: part of stuff, that they lose that creative edge and 526 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 6: you know, the vision to really like go forth and innovate. 527 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: That's something that I actually have in masks. 528 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 6: It's like the day to day stuff that I need, 529 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 6: you know, that I pull the help in on, so 530 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 6: you know. 531 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: But but yeah, So I. 532 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 6: Was actually working in television production and it was funny 533 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 6: because the show that I was working on, I mean, 534 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 6: it's normal in freelance, especially in a city like New 535 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 6: York City. You know, shows will just end and people 536 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 6: will just get. 537 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: Fired, you know. 538 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 6: And so what ended up happening when I started No 539 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 6: Madness was that I the show that I was on 540 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 6: ended up getting canceled and I qualified for unemployment. And 541 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 6: it was the first time because I had been unemployed 542 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 6: before that dealing with freelancing in New York City, but 543 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 6: it was the first time that I ever made a 544 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 6: decision like, Okay, I can either try to jump right 545 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 6: back into this rat race and see what the next 546 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 6: show is that I can pick up for a couple 547 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 6: of months to get some doing, or I could give 548 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 6: this some breathing room for a couple months and experiment, 549 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 6: get on unemployment and see what the hell this thing 550 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 6: is that I've created. And I made that move approaching 551 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 6: six years ago, and I've never worked for any. 552 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: Somebody else ever since. Wow, that's awesome. Thank you. It's 553 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: been a pode. No, you know, I know it's been 554 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: a crazy ride, but I did. I had to make 555 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: the diligent decision. 556 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 6: I remember writing in my journal I actually have this, 557 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 6: and at our anniversary I usually dig this journal up 558 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 6: and kind of take a picture of it and put. 559 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: It on social media. Where I got to a. 560 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 6: Point in an age at I got to an age 561 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 6: at one point where. 562 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: I stopped asking, Like I wasn't asking people for money. 563 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 6: You know, some people get in a buying and they 564 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 6: want to ask people for money. What I started to 565 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 6: do at this point was I started to ask people 566 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 6: to tell me that it's all going to work out. 567 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 6: And I was like, I just need to hear this 568 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 6: from somebody outside of myself, you know, huge practitioner of 569 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 6: law of attraction. But when it gets like crazy, I 570 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 6: saw people and I'm like, I just Tiffany, you know this. 571 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 6: I'm like, I just need to hear that it is 572 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 6: all going to work out. I'll take the reins from there. 573 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 6: The universe will guide me from there. But sometimes you 574 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 6: just beat to hear those words from people that you know, really. 575 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: Believe in you. And people who have really been through those. 576 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 6: Tough times too and come out on the other side, 577 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 6: like you just need to hear that. And so I 578 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 6: remember when it got nuts and my unemployment was only 579 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 6: two hundred and twenty dollars a week living in New 580 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 6: York City, and I remember getting that information, like when 581 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 6: I got the breakdown of how much. 582 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: They give you a month, like a month. 583 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 6: And a week, and I remember that was the day 584 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 6: that I called I called Jason up. But also I 585 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 6: wrote in my journal in huge sharpie, I was like, 586 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 6: it's all going to work out, and that's really all 587 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 6: I had to keep going until things started to pop 588 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 6: off with no madness. So it's very interesting looking back 589 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 6: in retrospect. 590 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: I mean I always looked at because I was laid 591 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 2: off to in New York City. See, I feel like 592 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: it's like I know and that there was no better 593 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: There was like no better drive and like push than 594 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: being laid off in New York City and getting that 595 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: puny little like unemployment check then to push you forward 596 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: and like keep you going. I feel like it's like 597 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 2: a really good, I don't know, momentum starter, like kicking 598 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 2: the ass kind of yeah, you have to. 599 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 6: I feel like sometimes the universe like edges you into things. 600 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: But I'm also on air, so. 601 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 6: Like life is really really like rough with me because 602 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 6: I think that it knows that I can handle it. 603 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 6: Sometimes it'll just kick you off the cliffs, you know, 604 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 6: and you got a free fall for a little bit 605 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 6: before you realize how to fly on your own. And 606 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 6: and it's and it's crazy. It really is crazy. And 607 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 6: it's not for everybody. That's the other thing. So you know, 608 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 6: I'm definitely not one of these people anymore who is 609 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 6: along the lines of like entrepreneurship is for everybody, it's not. 610 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: But this not everything. 611 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: It's so funny when you first I think, I feel 612 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: like when people first jump into entrepreneurship, it's like it's 613 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 3: like when you first like get into a relationship and 614 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: you're like, yes, girl, everybody need to get them a man, yes, 615 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 3: And then once you start really doing the work, you're like, well, 616 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: you know, you might be good. 617 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 6: Single, right, it's right, but I mean I. 618 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: Have to keep it one hundred for sent with you. 619 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: I have friends that are entrepreneurs. 620 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 6: That I don't think are cut out for entrepreneurship. 621 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: And that's real. 622 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's just and you just you see it, 623 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 6: you know, you see it in different ways. But then 624 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 6: I have friends that are, you know, phenomenal entrepreneurs, you 625 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, and the people that I can 626 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 6: turn to when you know, we have those safe spaces 627 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 6: and candid conversations and we build each other up and 628 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 6: you keep going. But yeah, it's definitely not for everybody, 629 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 6: Absolutely not. I know, I am very very aware that 630 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 6: I'm thatshit crazy. 631 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: So it's like I take that and I run with it. 632 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 2: Well, you must be good at I mean, you must 633 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: have been good at it in some way because it's 634 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: doing so well. But I want to ask, I want 635 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: to ask the question of at what point, Well, first, 636 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: how does no Madness make money? How do you make money? 637 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: How do you live? And at what point did you 638 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: get to a place where you felt like, Okay, I'm 639 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: actually sustaining myself with this business and it's viable and 640 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: you know it's all going to be okay. 641 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: Right. 642 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 6: I feel like the light at the end of the 643 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 6: teruminal came about four years in and we're about to 644 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 6: hit six years in. 645 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: So it was very turbulent. 646 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 6: And let me not say that as if right now, 647 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 6: like I'm sitting pretty and everything is like colorful. Like 648 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 6: entrepreneurship is real, and there are ups and downs and 649 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 6: you try different things, you come out with different products. 650 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 6: You know, you try to bring value to people's lives 651 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 6: while also offering something that you can make money off of. 652 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of the name of the game 653 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: right now. 654 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 6: But the different there's a trillion avenues and one of 655 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 6: the things that's been really awesome over the last two years. 656 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 6: But I made a promise to myself this year to 657 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 6: really focus on it because it's been growing in tandem 658 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 6: with No Madness is also my personal brand, and so 659 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 6: as No Madness has grown and you know, has been 660 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 6: the blueprint really of what is now the black travel 661 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 6: movement on social media, myself as an influencer, my value 662 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 6: has gone up and my following has gone up, and 663 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 6: I've been able to capitalize on that and kind. 664 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: Of throw it in the mix. 665 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 6: So the trips were one way that No Madness was 666 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 6: making money. Our pivot from there has now gone into events, 667 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 6: both international and domestic, which are a big part of it. 668 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 6: So you're talking our anniversary parties, our trips abroad, our 669 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 6: events abroad. We just did spearheaded two in Johannes's work 670 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 6: South Africa and in Jiport, India all the way to 671 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 6: our conference, our annual conference that we have. Then you 672 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 6: have the merchandise aspect. I am also a co executive 673 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 6: producer along with Ether Ray of HBO's Insecure, and we 674 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 6: have a web series that's on her YouTube page, the 675 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 6: No Madness Project, in which there's also ad revenue that 676 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 6: comes in from there. 677 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: Wait a second, why did you bury the lead that 678 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: you're part of my favorite show ever? I understand how 679 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: they don't know that friends with. 680 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 6: I'm friends and co creator with Issa. I am not 681 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 6: a part of Insecure. 682 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: Let wait, right, right right, you're tapping on it. 683 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, don't let me hit Your hands were 684 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: somewhere on it at some point. 685 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, No, Issa's dope. 686 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: I may Yeah, that's awesome. 687 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: No. I love Issa. 688 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 6: Issa really came on board early on too, actually with 689 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 6: No Madness, Like we've been in cahoots for a couple 690 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 6: of years now and actually built a friendship. I was 691 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 6: just on the set of Insecure maybe like a month 692 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 6: and a half ago and was like. 693 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: Catching up with her. 694 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 6: I happened to be in La for some production stuff 695 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 6: that I was doing, and she's just like, look, anytime 696 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 6: you're around, come down. So I did a cameo thing. 697 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 6: We'll see if it makes the cut. But Issa and 698 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 6: Molina are really really dope, So I literally hung out 699 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 6: with them all day and was doing some shooting with them. 700 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 6: So we gonna see, We're gonna see. I'll have my 701 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 6: eye on this season. But but yeah, there's ads, there's 702 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 6: ad revenues in there, and there's sponsorship and partnerships, which 703 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 6: is a big thing right now too. Like one of 704 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 6: our main partners is Airbnb, you know, but we've also 705 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 6: had hotels dot Com and like Emirates, Eraline like different 706 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 6: you know, ETI, hot airlines, excuse me, and you know, 707 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 6: so there's a million ways. I'm a hustler, right, I'm 708 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 6: a freelancer, So I'm not. 709 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: Gonna make money one way. 710 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 6: I'm gonna make money like ten ways, so that if 711 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 6: I ever have to lean on something more than others, 712 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 6: you know, even speaking with you know, Tiffany. We have 713 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 6: our online course that we fearheaded last year n MDN 714 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 6: black Box, you know, really introducing travel and breaking down 715 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 6: these fears and you know, stereotypes and misconceptions that you 716 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 6: have to be of a certain economic bracket to be 717 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 6: able to travel, you know, and and really taking the 718 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 6: mission of No Madness and putting it into a course 719 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 6: that was something that was really different from us. And 720 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 6: you know, Tiffany was like an awesome mentor in that way. 721 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 6: But but yeah, I gotta I got a. 722 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: Bunch of ways that I may though it's all about 723 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: the first time income. 724 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that is so important, just like you said, 725 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: to have different income streams. But you mentioned Airbnb, and 726 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: I was gonna bring that up earlier, just like how 727 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: important it is to have groups like No Madness, and 728 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: especially at a time where people may be wondering like, well, 729 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: why do we need groups like this? I mean, ask 730 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: any person who's of color who wants to travel. And 731 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: it's clear to me why there's been such a massive 732 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: response and emotional response to to No Madness. And now 733 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: you're partnering with Airbnb. Did that come before or after 734 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: all the Twitter hoopla about because for those who don't 735 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 2: know Airbnb algorithm or not the algorithm, but basically, it 736 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: was found that people were less likely to approve guests 737 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 2: of color than those who were not of color basically right. 738 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 6: It came before actually, and it's funny because even we 739 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 6: did our first conference, what three Yeah, they were approaching 740 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 6: the third one. So we did our first conference three 741 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 6: years ago, so No Madness was three years old. 742 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: And it was. 743 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 6: Funny because from the time that we had very first started, 744 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 6: I was like, yo, we got to partner with Airbnb 745 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 6: because as a mission, I really really love what this 746 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 6: company stands for and I like their story, and it 747 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 6: was something that I was like, listen, this is what 748 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 6: we do. And the other thing that makes No Madness 749 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 6: unique is because we weren't staying at hotels. 750 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: When we were doing our group trips. 751 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 6: We would find tricked out houses or flats that would 752 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 6: fit like ten people in them, or mansions and we 753 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 6: would actually book those out. So everything goes back to 754 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 6: the mission of us having a very intimate and familial 755 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 6: type of feel with us, so we weren't really staying 756 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 6: like India is one of the few places we stay 757 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 6: in hotels because I don't trust the water and sanitation, 758 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 6: so I make sure that we're in a place that's 759 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 6: safe and you know, taken care of. But in most 760 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 6: of the other places, like eighty percent of the time 761 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 6: when we would travel in group trips, we'd be staying 762 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 6: at Airbnb's. So it was an immediate and that was 763 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 6: something before they even spoke to us. When you know, 764 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 6: I could, I would send out blind emails and not 765 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 6: hear anything from anybody. 766 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: So they're also a part of the No Madness makeup. 767 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 6: From the get go, and so I had wanted to 768 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 6: work in partner with. 769 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: Them for years. 770 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 6: And then our first conference, which launched maybe like I 771 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 6: want to say six to nine months before the hashtag 772 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 6: Airbnb while Black came out. They actually were one of 773 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 6: the smaller sponsors that we had as kind of like 774 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 6: a litmus test to see what it was. So they 775 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 6: had come on board not just as a partner, but 776 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 6: even as a small monetary sponsorship for our first conference. 777 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 6: And then it was like maybe six or seven months 778 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 6: after that was when stuff started to hit the fan 779 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 6: with Airbnb while Black. We had already been in a 780 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 6: relationship with them, so it kind of just like took 781 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 6: off from there. I've actually spoken on panels with some 782 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 6: of the people that they have in their head of diversity. 783 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: I spoke on a panel with we did. 784 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 6: A fireside chat with their head of I think community 785 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 6: belonging is the name of it. At Blavity's acrotech in 786 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 6: Silicon Valley at the end of last year. 787 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to be going back. 788 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 6: They're actually bringing me to Essence Fest, so I'm going 789 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 6: to be speaking at Essence. Hey, I'll see you in 790 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 6: sen Yeah, so I'll see you there too. So yeah, 791 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 6: we've bridged. I was their community in New York. We 792 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 6: forged like a really really cool partnership. 793 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: And just kind of growing. 794 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 6: And I'm a huge fan of their chief marketing officer, Jonathan. 795 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: I spoke at Harvard Business School. 796 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 6: On a panel ironically with Jonathan from Blavity, which is funny, 797 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 6: but not that long ago, maybe about two months ago, 798 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 6: and their keynote was Airbnb's chief marketing officer Jonathan, who 799 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 6: also had worked for Coca Cola and some other huge 800 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 6: name brands. And just the man's heart and head and 801 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 6: artistry is just in the right place. 802 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: And so I really love the way that they've gone 803 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: about addressing it. 804 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,959 Speaker 6: And I've even spoken directly to their CEO, Brian Cheske 805 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 6: about it. 806 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: I've been invited to some private dinners where. 807 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 6: You know, there's maybe one of like twenty five people 808 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 6: in the room along with Brian Cheskey to really be 809 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 6: able to hash some of this stuff out and hear 810 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 6: them out, but also voice the other side, you know, 811 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 6: and and let them make sure that they really get what. 812 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: This means to our community. So I'm actually really proud. 813 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 6: Of the work that we're we're doing with Airbnb and 814 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 6: our partnership. 815 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 2: I'm heartened by that because I love me some Airbnb. Yes, 816 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: if I weren't allowed to, like, no, there's. 817 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 6: Anything tricky, And it's a tricky you know spot honestly, 818 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 6: because like you know, on one hand, on one hand, 819 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 6: there's also like, okay, I'm the face of this, you know, 820 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 6: not just no Madness, but also the black travel movement. 821 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 6: So I caught some some shit on the back end, 822 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 6: you know, when people saw me like doing this stuff, 823 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 6: and it's like you don't understand the historical context of 824 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 6: how we've been working with them, and you know, people 825 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 6: especially online, it's like the drama. They just want to 826 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 6: come in for the fireworks and then leave. They don't 827 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 6: even want to hear the story, you know. So there's 828 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 6: this historical context between our two companies that was already 829 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 6: built before this stuff hit the fan. In addition, you 830 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 6: know other like you know, a competitor came up and 831 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 6: that idea for their business was actually spearheaded by a 832 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 6: thread inside of No Madness where they, as I remember, 833 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 6: would be interested. And I actually told the co founder, 834 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 6: I said, listen, this is such a good idea. You 835 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 6: need to get this out of No Madness because you 836 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 6: don't know what resources and capital people have sitting they'll 837 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 6: snatch your idea from right. 838 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: Like, I love this community, but we got everybody in here. 839 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 6: You got to part about this, like get an attorney 840 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 6: and get this thing going. And they ended up running 841 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 6: into their own issues at the onset of it. But 842 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 6: these things really started from No Madness and. 843 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: That's something you know to take note. 844 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 6: But it shows the power of our community, like I 845 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 6: really want to say, and I. 846 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: Think I'm pretty much on point with this. 847 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 6: Every single like noted black travel group that is out 848 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 6: right now that you can name, I believe all of 849 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 6: their CEO started as No Madness, all of them. 850 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: Yep. 851 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 2: How do you protect yourself when you have so much 852 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 2: competition right at the gate? I mean it's one for 853 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 2: one thing, it's a compliment Uber lift, you know that 854 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 2: sort of thing happens. But yeah, talk about that you 855 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 2: have to. 856 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 6: Innovate, you know what I'm saying, Like, there's only but 857 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 6: so far that you can you know, it's like somebody 858 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 6: else coming up with a you know, a finance group. 859 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: You can't stop people from popping up with these things. 860 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: It just is what it is. 861 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 6: But I think getting to the core, refining and making 862 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 6: sure that you are said fast with your mission. In 863 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 6: addition to like I don't I'm one of these types 864 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 6: of people. I'm extremely competitive, I'm an aries and I'm 865 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 6: also an artist, so like I'm sensitive about my shit 866 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 6: and all that being said, it's like I don't need 867 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 6: to be in these other groups. 868 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: I have spies. 869 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 6: Like anytime I need to see something that's going on 870 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 6: or get some feedback, I will. I create very much 871 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 6: in a bubble, and I've learned that as being a 872 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 6: creative because I never want the next person saying whether 873 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 6: it was organic to them or not to start influencing 874 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 6: why and how I do what I do. That's I can't, 875 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 6: like I just even just as an artist and as 876 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 6: a person like I don't rock like that, you know. 877 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 6: So with that being said, I let people do what 878 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 6: they're going to do. I mean it's never gotten to 879 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 6: the point of like legal boundaries, but there's definitely been 880 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 6: some copycatting. 881 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and moral boundaries crossed over. 882 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 6: Its exactly exactly. But as long as I can look 883 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 6: myself in the face and I. 884 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: Will go to bat for what I have, I'm extremely. 885 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 6: Protective of what I've had and I've been called every 886 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 6: name in the book because of it, because I will 887 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 6: definitely rise to the occasion with class. 888 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: But I'll let you know, you know what I'm saying. 889 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 6: It's been like that over years. But I think the 890 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 6: more that you are self assured in what you bring 891 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 6: to the table, and again that level of innovation, nobody 892 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 6: is touching us. And that's just not just no Madness, 893 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 6: but even me personally, you know, like in taking the culture, 894 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 6: because for me. 895 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: It's not just about for example, I just gave. 896 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 6: A TED talk that is about to shut this entire 897 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 6: system down. 898 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: Okay. 899 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 6: So and that's after being in a TED residency for 900 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 6: three and a half months in which I'm building out 901 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 6: the next phases of No Madness that now have not 902 00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 6: just to do with us traveling abroad, but now our 903 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 6: acquiring property abroad. 904 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: So again, it's about. 905 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 6: Innovating and thinking outside of the box and going to 906 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 6: the next levels and staying true as hell to who 907 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 6: you are, regardless of what other people are doing in 908 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 6: your space. Yeah, it's not easy, and so it's sensive 909 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 6: at times, like yeah, to be off with their heads. 910 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: And the thing is, you have every right to feel 911 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: that way, you really do. 912 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 6: Especially and I've said this to Tiffany too, Like, it's different. 913 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 6: Nobody knows what it's like to be first in a realm. 914 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 6: Even if you're second in an industry, you do not 915 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 6: go through the same things that the first person goes through, 916 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 6: and there's some real humbling and ego checking and you know, 917 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 6: swallowing of pride that happens in that first position because 918 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 6: everybody is going to pull something from you, something because 919 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 6: you were the first in that space and so your groundbreaking. 920 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 6: I think it was Dave Chappelle, he said it inside 921 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 6: the Actress Studio. 922 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: It's my favorite one, the only one I bought. 923 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 6: But it was a quote that had something to do 924 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 6: with Richard Pryor, where they say the mark of the 925 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 6: mark of genius is when everything before you is obsolete 926 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 6: and everything after you bears your mark. 927 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: And That's how I feel about No Madness? 928 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 2: So what was Can you give us a taste of 929 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,800 Speaker 2: what the Ted talk is about? 930 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 6: Oh, the Ted Talk is about the evolution of black 931 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 6: travel from Jim Crow until what is now a worldwide 932 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 6: movement that No Madness started. 933 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: That's the taste test I can give you. How does 934 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: it feel like? 935 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 3: I always wonder, you know, like, you know, as a 936 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: business owner, because you know, sometimes you like you said, 937 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 3: you live and you create in the bubble? 938 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: Are you? I mean it seems like you are. I'm 939 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: like today I was getting like a. 940 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 3: Burger and somebody was like but and I was like, hey, 941 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 3: you know, and I how do you wrap your mind 942 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 3: around that you've created? Like an actual shift? Not just like, oh, 943 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 3: you know, some more people are traveling. 944 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: No, like a real shift. 945 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 3: There's a concrete I can look at the data, more 946 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 3: brown people are traveling, and we could like, how like 947 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 3: are you able. 948 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: To wrap your mind around that? Are you able to 949 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: conceptualize what that actually means? You know, like, how does that? 950 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,280 Speaker 1: You know? How does that feel? So there's a couple 951 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: things to that. One. I am a workaholic, and so 952 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: having self care and having a moment. 953 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,359 Speaker 6: To reflect, I have to work just as hard as 954 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 6: that at that as I. 955 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: Have to do on my actual work. Right. So, for instance, 956 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: I disappeared this weekend. 957 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 6: Literally I just got back this afternoon after getting an airbnb, 958 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 6: and like, I was up in Kingston, New York by 959 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 6: myself for two three days and I'm post anything on 960 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 6: social media. 961 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 1: I was like, I need to get out of here. 962 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 6: And and it's because a lot of feelings were conjured 963 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 6: up after you know, the Ted residency was done. A 964 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 6: lot of stuff as happening, huge things that have made 965 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 6: me question a lot of stuff and look at things 966 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 6: and figure out what I want my wife and my 967 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 6: business to look like and how they intersect together in harmony. 968 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,720 Speaker 6: So there's been a lot of flushing out that happens, 969 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 6: and I try to do that every couple months to 970 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 6: make sure that I'm on the right track, not just 971 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 6: for no madness before a Vita Turquoise Robinson. 972 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna be honest with you. 973 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 6: I don't stop and let that feeling sink in a lot, 974 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,919 Speaker 6: because as beautiful as it is, it is terrifying. It's 975 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,840 Speaker 6: really crazy because you think about that or you know, 976 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 6: I can run even like you know, walking in downtown 977 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 6: Newark now, especially when I first moved here, it's like 978 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 6: I felt like I was running into a tribe member 979 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 6: every day, you know, and I'm out like painting my 980 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 6: new apartment. So I'm out and like painted up, you know, sweatpants. 981 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: And looking crazy, and but it was it was beautiful. 982 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 6: And it's usually when I'm on the trips or when 983 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 6: I'm abroad where I allow myself the time to really 984 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 6: sit with it, and I normally end up crying. 985 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a crier. It's how I deal with 986 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 1: stress and all types of stuff. I just I gotta 987 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 1: let it out. But it's those. 988 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 6: Moments where I let it sink in and it's so powerful, 989 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 6: but I always just keep going. I am really one 990 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 6: of those people that kind of focuses on what's next 991 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,720 Speaker 6: and that innovation piece. 992 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: That's really important for me. 993 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 6: Because I always want to stay ahead of the curb 994 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 6: and and so I have these many celebrations that happen 995 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 6: with all the goals along the way, and then some 996 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 6: goals that are obtained just shut me down, Like keV 997 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 6: shut me down. It was like I have had give 998 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 6: a Ted talk on my vision board. It's funny because 999 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 6: we just pulled out the old the first High Council meeting. 1000 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 6: High Council is the nickname for my team. The first 1001 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,440 Speaker 6: High Council meeting that we had back in January twenty twelve, 1002 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 6: I had this huge photo paper on the ground and 1003 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 6: everybody had crayon mars and we were just like, yo, 1004 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 6: let's just brainstorm what we think this will look like 1005 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 6: in about five years. And for the first time since 1006 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 6: I started No Madness, I rolled that out with two 1007 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 6: members of my team like two months ago, and it 1008 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 6: was so crazy because we didn't name the sections, but 1009 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 6: you can kind of tell by what we wrote who 1010 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,880 Speaker 6: wrote what, and lo and behold in my section was 1011 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 6: Ted Talk and I had completely forgotten that I had 1012 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 6: written that down, And it was so interesting that I 1013 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 6: had correlated it with No Madness because a Ted Talk 1014 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 6: as a person, but the fact that that was on 1015 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 6: like the No Madness blueprint from six years ago and 1016 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 6: I had put that steadfast, and now knowing what my 1017 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 6: Ted Talk is about and seeing how No Madness helped 1018 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 6: get me into this residency, like it's it's just there's 1019 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 6: power with putting it out in the universe, you guys, 1020 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 6: like for real, for real and writing it down. 1021 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: It'll take some time, but it's coming, you know. 1022 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 6: And so it's those moments that really stopped me, like, whoa, 1023 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 6: You're really doing it and you're really changing people's lives, 1024 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 6: you know. Like I said, I didn't start. I didn't 1025 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 6: go into this thinking that I was starting a business. 1026 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 6: But there's also some side effects to No Madness that 1027 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 6: I didn't understand. For example, everybody in No Madness has grown, 1028 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 6: Like we're a. 1029 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,959 Speaker 1: Millennial, you know, travel group. For the most part. 1030 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 6: We have members that are upwards of sixty who have 1031 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 6: come on our trips and they will. 1032 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: Drink and party you under the table. 1033 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 6: But you know, our guts are really between like twenty 1034 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 6: five and forty five years old. 1035 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 1: And so everybody's grown. 1036 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 6: And I've met these people's parents, and I've had parents 1037 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 6: come up to me and say, Avida, you know, I 1038 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 6: just want to. 1039 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: Say thank you for creating this community. Because I'm not a. 1040 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 6: World traveler, and as a parent, I don't care how 1041 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 6: old your child is. You're always nervous about what would 1042 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 6: I do if something happen, And they're like, now. 1043 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: We know that there's a community where it should hit 1044 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: the fan. 1045 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 6: There are people that would take care of them, you know, 1046 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 6: and unfortunately a couple of years ago they had to 1047 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 6: tap into the community for them. And I rose to 1048 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 6: the occasion as a leader. You know, I say, as 1049 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,919 Speaker 6: a leader, you got to be there when it's pretty 1050 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 6: and when it's shitty. 1051 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: If not, don't sign up for it. Don't sign up 1052 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,280 Speaker 1: for it, because it's going to happen. 1053 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 6: And you know, that's really it's those moments where we 1054 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 6: come together and celebration. It's the moments when I hear, 1055 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 6: you know, two tribe members hooked up and now they're 1056 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 6: having a baby together, you know, and they met at 1057 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 6: a meetup or on a trip. It's the businesses of 1058 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 6: which there are many that have been created from no madness, solopreneurs, 1059 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 6: location independent entrepreneurs, even people that met at meetups or 1060 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 6: on trips and now they've created businesses together. 1061 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: Like we are a community that is so much bigger 1062 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,920 Speaker 1: than travel and so much more personal than social media. 1063 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: And so when you. 1064 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 6: See it in that context, it is it's beautiful. It 1065 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 6: really is beautiful. And it's amazing. I say I've done. 1066 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 6: I've been able to pinpoint my three things that I've 1067 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 6: done in my life thus far and I put after 1068 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 6: giving my Ted Talk, I put on social media. I said, 1069 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 6: you know, there's the second biggest thing that I've done 1070 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 6: in my life. And one of the organizers of the 1071 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 6: residency was like, damn, well, what do we have to 1072 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 6: do to be number one? 1073 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: I said, creating No Madness is number one? Okay, and I. 1074 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 6: Don't know if anything is going to beat that until 1075 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,439 Speaker 6: I've become a mother. 1076 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Wow. 1077 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's a good segue to kind of 1078 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 3: our our kind of wrapping up, like, so what's next, Like, 1079 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,439 Speaker 3: what's any major thing that's coming up? 1080 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have. 1081 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,919 Speaker 6: We have, like we're releasing the app this summer, which 1082 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,440 Speaker 6: I'm really excited about. It's going to be coming out 1083 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 6: on iOS first, just because we were trying to get 1084 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 6: this Android together. Android's too glitchy. This is like the 1085 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 6: thing that you learn about when you're coming out with 1086 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 6: an app. So the No Madness Connect app is definitely 1087 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 6: going to be dropping this summer, which is going to 1088 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 6: be amazing. 1089 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,760 Speaker 1: I can't wait. And we're you know, we're. 1090 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 6: Getting our ducks in a row to really push forward 1091 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 6: for this Ted Talk going viral when it comes out, 1092 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,360 Speaker 6: which is probably going to be early and really producing 1093 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 6: the residency program, which I'm starting to speak more openly about, which, 1094 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 6: like I said, I think the first six years of 1095 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 6: No Madness was really about breaking the stereotype of an 1096 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 6: international traveler and getting us out there and letting us 1097 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200 Speaker 6: know that we could do it at various price points. 1098 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 6: And I really think the next phase of No Madness 1099 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 6: is going to be more so focused on. 1100 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 1: What we do while we're out there. 1101 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 6: And one of the first transitions that we're going into, 1102 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,879 Speaker 6: you know, we started the events, launched those this year, 1103 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 6: but something that's going to be hitting before the end 1104 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 6: of twenty eighteen is real twenty seventeen, excuse me, is 1105 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 6: really this property acquisition. 1106 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: And I'm really excited. 1107 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 6: I have a development company that's already on board with 1108 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 6: the project that I was working with through Ted, and yeah, 1109 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 6: I can't wait to get that going. And you know, 1110 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 6: start with No Madness as the funnel system, so we 1111 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 6: can really start rooting abroad and making change, you know. 1112 00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 6: And I just I don't trust our president at this juncture. 1113 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: So I'm getting my apartment first. 1114 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 3: So where can where can people find like more about 1115 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 3: nomadic because I know a ton of people are going 1116 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 3: to be like I want to be part of the tribe. 1117 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 3: How do how do they join the tribe? Where they 1118 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 3: can where can they find you? 1119 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 6: They can go directly to the website No Madness tv 1120 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 6: dot com and you will see a join the Tribe 1121 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 6: tab and you can go right in there and funnel 1122 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 6: through and we'll get you in the group. But yeah, 1123 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 6: no Madness TV dot com. At social media, we're at 1124 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 6: no Madness Tribe on every platform across the board. 1125 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you, a Vida, honestly, because I mean, 1126 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 3: I know you know how hard you work. I know 1127 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 3: how hard you work, so not just how hard, but 1128 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 3: how hard you know, I know how soul you work. 1129 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,879 Speaker 1: And so just to see all that you put in 1130 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 1: and to see you. 1131 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 3: Reap the benefits and also not just reap the benefits 1132 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,520 Speaker 3: but change the world around you. So thank you so 1133 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,399 Speaker 3: much for coming on. 1134 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you, ladies. 1135 00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 2: Thank you Avita. It was so much fun talking to you. 1136 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: Yes, likewise,