WEBVTT - Ep. 435: Foundations - Developing a Whitetail Grocery List

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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<v Speaker 1>to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Peterson. Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>Foundations podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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<v Speaker 1>This week's episode is dedicated to understanding one of the

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<v Speaker 1>key factors that dictates nearly every day of a buck's life, hunger.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things I've noticed is I get deeper

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<v Speaker 1>and deeper into my white tailed career is that I

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<v Speaker 1>find myself thinking about dear food more and more. This

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<v Speaker 1>is probably because I usually don't wait for the rut

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<v Speaker 1>to solve my unfilled tag problems, which means most of

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<v Speaker 1>what I've concerned with deer wise is what are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to eat on a daily basis and where are

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<v Speaker 1>they going to do it in a way that keeps

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<v Speaker 1>them safe. That's what this week's show is all about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's a good one because no matter

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<v Speaker 1>where you hunt them, understanding what's on a buck's menu

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the season is usually the key to staying in

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<v Speaker 1>the game and having more encounters. Hey, everybody, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast, brought to you by

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<v Speaker 1>First Light. I'm your host, Tony Peterson. Today's show is

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<v Speaker 1>all about the groceries. We're right in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the summer when there is more dear food out there

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<v Speaker 1>than there will be at any time of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a prime time to take a good look

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<v Speaker 1>around to see what the deer in your neighborhood should

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<v Speaker 1>be mowing down on during various parts of the hunting season.

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<v Speaker 1>These groceries will play into your scouting plans, your hunting plans,

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<v Speaker 1>and just about every decision you make dear wise. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also intel that you can build off of in future years.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know or suspect a banging ache on crop

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<v Speaker 1>this season, for example, you've been there and done that

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<v Speaker 1>in the year's past, and ever evolving understanding of current

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<v Speaker 1>deer food, along with past experiences and how deer used

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<v Speaker 1>available calorie sources, will really help you round out a

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<v Speaker 1>higher level hunting game. This is because bucks live by

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<v Speaker 1>their stomach for like forty nine weeks each year, while

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<v Speaker 1>the will to live and they drive to pass on

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<v Speaker 1>their genes can override their immediate needs for some calories.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing is as constant in a deer's life as food.

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<v Speaker 1>He might alter the time of day he eats due

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<v Speaker 1>to hunting pressure, but he's going to eat. The only

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<v Speaker 1>time he might go really hungry for a few days

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<v Speaker 1>or longer is during the heart of the rut, But

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<v Speaker 1>for most of the hunting season, you've got to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the food sources you're dealing with, and even during the rut,

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<v Speaker 1>the does aren't going to step out of the buffet line,

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<v Speaker 1>which means you know where the bucks will often concentrate

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<v Speaker 1>some of their searching. Concentrate some of their searching because

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be around food sources, even if their motivation

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<v Speaker 1>isn't about getting a belly full of clover or corn.

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<v Speaker 1>To start with this process, it's a good idea to

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<v Speaker 1>break down food sources into two meaningful categories, destination and seasonal,

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<v Speaker 1>or you could say primary and secondary. I guess destination

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<v Speaker 1>food sources are the easiest to understand, especially if you

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<v Speaker 1>hunt anywhere near agriculture, but it's not as simple as

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<v Speaker 1>driving along the edge of your chosen hunting grounds and

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<v Speaker 1>eyeballing a nearby soybean field or a corn field. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to consider all the big food options available and

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<v Speaker 1>then factor that into what it means later on. For

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<v Speaker 1>actual hunting. This is going to very depending on the

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<v Speaker 1>region that you hunt. We all know the typical egg

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<v Speaker 1>offerings in the Midwest and much of the East, but

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<v Speaker 1>what about western white tails. This might be a giant

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<v Speaker 1>irrigated alfalfa field, or maybe just a hay field that's

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<v Speaker 1>cut a few times a year for horses. Maybe you've

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<v Speaker 1>got access to a mile o field or sorghum. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>sunflowers will factor into your hunt. What if you're down south,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe peanuts will factor into your hunt. Understanding what you

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<v Speaker 1>have to work with at home and when you head

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<v Speaker 1>out on the road matters a lot when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to hunting white tails. For example, there's nothing I love

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<v Speaker 1>personally more than green soybeans in early to mid September.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly don't think there's a better draw for bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing sets you up for an opening weekend kill better.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've got access to a soybean field, then you

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<v Speaker 1>know that in the early season it is highly likely

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<v Speaker 1>that the bucks will end up there throughout the night.

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<v Speaker 1>But what if the neighbor has a nice, lush alfalfa field,

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<v Speaker 1>And what if you've planned a food plot that's full

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<v Speaker 1>of white clover or some other deer munchies. Then it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about the effort it takes to get to various

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<v Speaker 1>food sources and how much pressure will be concentrated on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Deer are browsers, which means they eat a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different stuff and they seem to like options in their diet,

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<v Speaker 1>just like us. This means that with that soybean field,

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<v Speaker 1>if there are other quality early season food sources around,

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<v Speaker 1>that field might go from like a ten to a seven,

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<v Speaker 1>which is still pretty good. You know that it's very

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<v Speaker 1>likely the bucks on your farm are going to end

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<v Speaker 1>up there at some point and probably a from there

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. That's a good thing to know. But

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<v Speaker 1>if that soybean field is the only field within three miles,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a different story. Now you can turn it up

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven. You might as well get ready to call

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<v Speaker 1>your tax it or missing prepay for a shoulder mount.

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<v Speaker 1>But that dynamite opening weekend field will yellow up, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what anybody says, a yellow field is

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<v Speaker 1>less of a draw. You can often find low spots

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<v Speaker 1>or shady areas in the field that will stay green longer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this is a short window situation, though, and it

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<v Speaker 1>can be unbelievable for concentrating bucks. But either way they

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<v Speaker 1>will feed in the yellow soybeans, but just not the

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<v Speaker 1>same level of intensity as if they were green. But

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<v Speaker 1>again this is affected by availability of other food sources.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news is that yellow stage dies pretty quickly

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<v Speaker 1>and they turn brown and dry up. Brown beans are good,

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<v Speaker 1>and they only get better if you've got a nice

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<v Speaker 1>drizzle to hunt them in. Deer really seem to like

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<v Speaker 1>their brown soybeans soggy, which sounds weird, I know, but

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<v Speaker 1>trust me on this. And of course, the whole time

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<v Speaker 1>that hypothetical soybean field is matureing, the season is moving

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<v Speaker 1>right along. This is an important consideration because rock solid

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<v Speaker 1>destination food source can go downhill and then spring back up,

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<v Speaker 1>or it can completely be abandoned for a secondary food

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<v Speaker 1>source that is either coming on strong do the timing,

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<v Speaker 1>or showing up in the form of master browse. One

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<v Speaker 1>source that varies wildly and seems to come and go

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<v Speaker 1>is corn. When corn is in its milky stage, often

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<v Speaker 1>in the late summer, the deer will walk along and

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<v Speaker 1>rip the stocks off, eating a bite here or there

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<v Speaker 1>and generally driving farmers nuts with this behavior. You see

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<v Speaker 1>this a lot when you're glassing row crops in the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>You might also see black bears doing this if you're

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere near them, because they really really love the milky

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<v Speaker 1>stage of corn, and they are a special kind of

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<v Speaker 1>destructive during this stage. By the time the bow season opens,

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<v Speaker 1>that milky corn stage is often gone, and the deer

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<v Speaker 1>will still eat corn, especially if it's the best choice

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<v Speaker 1>they've got, but that depends a lot on how mature

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<v Speaker 1>the crop is. Sometimes corn remains a huge draw throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the season. Other times it tends to ramp up in attractiveness,

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<v Speaker 1>with the peaks occurring as soon as it's combined, and

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<v Speaker 1>then throughout the later season when the temperatures drop. The

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<v Speaker 1>good news about this, just like with a food plot

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<v Speaker 1>you plant yourself, is this is easy stuff to see

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<v Speaker 1>and to file away for later. Use. One good walk

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<v Speaker 1>right now out there on your hunting grounds can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you everything you need to know about the agriculture you're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with. Take note of the fields and the properties

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<v Speaker 1>you can hunt, and any you can see on places

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<v Speaker 1>you can't hunt. This base level destination food source knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>will factor into your stand locations all season long. But

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do if you aren't anywhere near a

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<v Speaker 1>big soybean field or a cornfield. What if you hunt

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<v Speaker 1>up in wolf country by Canada or some of the

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<v Speaker 1>giant chunks of timber down south, then you've got your

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<v Speaker 1>work cut out for you. But that's okay. Nothing is

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<v Speaker 1>more rewarding than taking a big woods buck that you

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<v Speaker 1>patterned yourself while competing against a litany of two and

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<v Speaker 1>four legged predators. Food sources in those read gents tend

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<v Speaker 1>to fall into the brows category, and brows is a

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<v Speaker 1>moving target. It's also the kind of secondary food source

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<v Speaker 1>that you need to be aware of. The big ease.

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<v Speaker 1>Those destination food sources that we already talked about, they're

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<v Speaker 1>the easy ones. The secondary food sources this here today

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<v Speaker 1>gone to moral food sources. They're different, and knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>them really separates the deer killers from the squirrel watchers.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I hunt in northern Wisconsin, for example, I've come

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<v Speaker 1>to realize that it's not as important for me to

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what plants the deer keying on as much

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<v Speaker 1>as it is to know where they'll be keying on. Brows.

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<v Speaker 1>Soft edges and clear cuts are huge for this. Just

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<v Speaker 1>about any spot where two types of cover meat. Typically

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<v Speaker 1>new growth and old growth will feature a brows line

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort. These are also just natural travel routes

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<v Speaker 1>and often used as betting areas as well. They are

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<v Speaker 1>also often visible on satellite imagery, but it's always worth

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<v Speaker 1>getting in to see them in person. The same goes

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<v Speaker 1>for areas with slight elevation changes. Low swampy ground that

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<v Speaker 1>buts up to the higher woods will usually feature a

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<v Speaker 1>brows line, or at least have the potential to become

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<v Speaker 1>a browsing area at some point in the fall. Satellite

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<v Speaker 1>imagery is huge for identifying these spots, but you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get in, you gotta walk them again. This isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>about identifying the perfect to die for food source that

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<v Speaker 1>comes in on October five and disappears a week later.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about identifying the places bucks are most likely to

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<v Speaker 1>spend time during daylight in a quest to quite the

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<v Speaker 1>rumble in their bellies and not become a food source themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally think deers that live off of mostly brows

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<v Speaker 1>are the toughest to kill because they tend to be

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<v Speaker 1>low density, low visibility critters that don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of predictability to them. But when you hunt areas where

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<v Speaker 1>the primary food sources, whatever is blooming or appealing this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you really learn to focus on areas that deer

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<v Speaker 1>generally like to be. Eventually you find those spots that

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<v Speaker 1>are also the places where big bucks prefer. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation of developing a big woods pattern. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times that's based around the groceries. And you're probably thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about mass Can I just find a few

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<v Speaker 1>oak trees and wait for them to rain nutty goodness down?

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<v Speaker 1>H Yes and no. You should scout for oak trees

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<v Speaker 1>if they're available or in your area. You absolutely should.

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<v Speaker 1>You should know how to identify white oaks with their rounded,

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<v Speaker 1>low beleaves versus red oaks with their pointed leaves. And

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<v Speaker 1>you should understand why white oaks could be on fire

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<v Speaker 1>in October while the red oak acorns with their increased

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<v Speaker 1>tannin levels might not factor in until December when it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to munch on the table scraps. Understand that specific

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<v Speaker 1>trees don't drop every single season. This means that throughout

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<v Speaker 1>your summer scouting, you should pay close attention to which

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<v Speaker 1>oak trees are actually filling up with acorns versus the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that aren't masked. Investigation is something you can do

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and you can file away that data for later,

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<v Speaker 1>like early October when you're wondering where the hell the

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<v Speaker 1>bucks have gone. Mast can be unbelievable, especially on public

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<v Speaker 1>land where destination food sources either don't exist, or if

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<v Speaker 1>they do exist, they get hunted so hard no self

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<v Speaker 1>respecting deer bigger than a button buck would step out

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<v Speaker 1>on it in the daylight. I think for the hunter

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<v Speaker 1>who shares the woods with a lot of other hunters,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping your finger on the pulse of mass, both hard

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<v Speaker 1>and soft mass is the best bet for having good

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<v Speaker 1>productive sits all season long row crops and typical agriculture

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<v Speaker 1>those are low hanging fruit pun intended. Anyone with a

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<v Speaker 1>common sense God gave a toad knows that deer will

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<v Speaker 1>come to a bean field to eat that oak ridge

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<v Speaker 1>that draws in deer only for a short time frame.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe the pattern where maple leaves fall after a

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<v Speaker 1>hard frost and they get gobbled up by the deer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different story. You've got to know when and

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<v Speaker 1>where that is likely to happen, and then take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of it in the moment, Just like the deer do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the kind of woodsmanship that does really separate

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<v Speaker 1>the folks who can fill tags from the folks who

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<v Speaker 1>want to. It's also the best evidence in the strong

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<v Speaker 1>argument that paying attention while you're on stand and glass

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<v Speaker 1>thing a lot is a better way to spend your

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<v Speaker 1>time than sliding into some strangers instagram d ms like

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<v Speaker 1>a creeper. The hard part about all of this is

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the woods in August, looking at it right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and then shining up the old crystal ball to decide

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<v Speaker 1>when some oaks or apple trees will be the ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>or when the persimmon situation is going to be on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe the grapes or the elder berries or some

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<v Speaker 1>other soft mast right now. You probably can't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can know where those spots are, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>good start. You can also head your bets on seasonality

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<v Speaker 1>of some of the masked food sources acorns, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least much of the white tail range will

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<v Speaker 1>be a September October option. Maple leaves will come into

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<v Speaker 1>play much closer to the rut when the hard frost

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<v Speaker 1>really start to get consistent. And aside to all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>mass talk is something that I'm just absolutely convinced of

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<v Speaker 1>is that both hard and soft masked options often contribute

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<v Speaker 1>to that feeling that the October lull is real. There

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<v Speaker 1>are other factors going on there, of course, But when

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<v Speaker 1>the fields have been hunted hard, the leaves are falling in,

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<v Speaker 1>the woods are becoming more open by the day, and

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<v Speaker 1>there is a bounty of here today gone tomorrow food

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<v Speaker 1>back in the security cover, it only makes sense that

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<v Speaker 1>the deer would eat where they feel safest. Just like

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<v Speaker 1>with water sources, food sources that allow the bucks to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in their comfort zone are always better ambush sites.

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<v Speaker 1>The goal with all of this is to plug in

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<v Speaker 1>various pieces that could come into play with natural deer

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<v Speaker 1>movement come fall. Understand the biggias like destination food sources

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<v Speaker 1>and when they should be the biggest attractions for the deer.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll tell you where the deer are going to end

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<v Speaker 1>up at night and start from in the morning. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>that's all you need to know to fill a tag,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's also just a starting point for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of us. The secondary seasonal food sources are the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that really allow you to pin down season long ambush sites.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the ones that you should be looking at

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<v Speaker 1>right now that you can really wrap your head around

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<v Speaker 1>those areas are most likely to hunt when the hunting

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<v Speaker 1>gets tough, and and even if they aren't season long,

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<v Speaker 1>like a good funnel or a pinch point, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a series of them, or you have enough of them,

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<v Speaker 1>you can fill up an entire season. Even though this

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<v Speaker 1>one food source will will be hot this week and

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<v Speaker 1>not next week, you have something to move on to

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<v Speaker 1>throughout that entire season. And as you're out there right

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<v Speaker 1>now and you're wandering around looking for these spots, take notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only have the primary food sources out there, but

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<v Speaker 1>especially of the potential secondary food sources. Drop some way points,

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<v Speaker 1>give yourself a chance, give yourself a picture of what

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<v Speaker 1>it's likely to be available to the deer throughout the season,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can call up in the moment strategy, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least have enough information to go do a little

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<v Speaker 1>in season scouting to see if your food source hunches

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<v Speaker 1>were spot on or not. This gives you the chance

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<v Speaker 1>to make better decisions throughout the season based on what

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<v Speaker 1>could be drawing in the bucks this very week or

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<v Speaker 1>that very week. This is a crew shul strategy for

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<v Speaker 1>public land hunters as well. As anyone who hunts private

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<v Speaker 1>ground with plenty of competition. But it's also something worth

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<v Speaker 1>considering even if you own your own piece of dirt

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<v Speaker 1>or have exclusive access to some ground through a lease

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<v Speaker 1>or through permission. In fact, these two scenarios right there,

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<v Speaker 1>they're the ones that often give us license to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little lazy because we think that we only need

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<v Speaker 1>to wait for the deer to come to the destination

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<v Speaker 1>food and then it's over. Anyone who has hunted mature

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<v Speaker 1>bucks for a few years knows that's far from a

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<v Speaker 1>sure thing. Even on really good deer ground, those private

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<v Speaker 1>land bucks will sit back and they'll eat white acorns

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<v Speaker 1>just as much as a public land deer would. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can bet if there's one little patch of right

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<v Speaker 1>per Simmons, they're going to know about it. They'll know

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<v Speaker 1>about the apple tree that's dropping, and they'll get in

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<v Speaker 1>there after a front blows through and the gusty winds

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<v Speaker 1>shake a bunch of granny smiths free. This is their world,

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<v Speaker 1>even if we have the key to the gate, and

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<v Speaker 1>knowing how they fill their bellies by the day, it's

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<v Speaker 1>real important. So get out there now and start making

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<v Speaker 1>a grocery list and keep listening to this podcast, because

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<v Speaker 1>next week is all about trail camera recon and what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with all of those images and videos you've

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<v Speaker 1>been capturing all summer long. That's all I got for

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<v Speaker 1>you this week, my white tail loving friends. Be sure

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<v Speaker 1>to tune in next week as we move from dear

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<v Speaker 1>groceries back into the world of trail cameras to decide

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<v Speaker 1>how to use all of the images and videos we're getting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tony Peterson and this has been wired to Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>Foundations podcast. As always, Thank you so much for listening,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will see you right here next week.