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Speaker 1: that you find most interesting in this latest head coaching.

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Speaker 2: Here, it's Liam Cohen.

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Speaker 1: He took this job in Jacksonville and he burned all

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Speaker 2: And yeah, what I mean by that is he said

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Speaker 2: he's coming back to Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Agreed in principle, and then under the guise of like

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Speaker 1: the Mayflowership, went and go met with the ownership at

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville and they said, well, we're gonna give you this

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Speaker 1: amount of money and you can basically hire whoever you want.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm sorry, Tampa, i gotta go. And he did,

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Speaker 1: and it rubbed a lot of people wrong, and maybe

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Speaker 1: it was done in a clunky fashion communication wise. That said,

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Speaker 1: he becomes the head coach of Trevor Lawrence, who has

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Speaker 1: won a playoff game before in a division that is down.

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Speaker 1: And besides, Houston really has three rebuilding teams in that division,

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Speaker 1: the Texans and then the Colts. So I look at

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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, young, fresh offensive mind with a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: we thought was gonna be the best product to come

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Speaker 1: into the NFL since Andrew Luck. So let's see what

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Speaker 1: we got, and let's see if Trevor Lawrence can work

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Speaker 1: with them and they can make actual magic happen. The

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Speaker 1: Raiders have a giant void at quarterback unless you think

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Speaker 1: which leads me to the question of if you're a

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Speaker 1: Stafford or a Rogers or a Cousins, when you see

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Speaker 1: that Raiders logo, is that retirement village last stop on

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Speaker 2: It's a very hard division.

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Speaker 1: It's an uphill battle, but there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: someone like Shador or cam Ward. Anytime I do speak

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Speaker 1: on the Rams, and specifically on Stafford and McVeigh, like

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Speaker 1: that those guys actually have a fine relationship. This was

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Speaker 1: nothing that is between them personally, and this is a

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Speaker 1: This is a money issue, and Matthew Stafford wants to

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Speaker 1: be paid more than fifty million dollars. They've given the agent,

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Speaker 1: both college football with the coaches and.

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Speaker 1: They've given him the freedom to go seek out what

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Speaker 1: if those teams would pay him. And guess what, there

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Speaker 1: are teams that are willing to pay him more than

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Speaker 1: all very awkward because McVeigh and Stafford may end up

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Speaker 1: the bridge, that was business. We got to keep the

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Speaker 1: Truth of the matter is, Matthew Stafford was one pass

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Speaker 2: That guy can steal ball. And if you don't think he's.

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Speaker 1: One of the top nine quarterbacks in the NFL currently, well,

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Speaker 1: McVeigh for a year. Of course he would. So who

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Speaker 2: Win games at Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: It's a really tough, awkward situation because there is a

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I.

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Speaker 1: Could envision a world where the Rams go on without Stafford.

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Speaker 1: to pay Matthew Stafford top dollar.

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Speaker 1: That, to go pursue a super Bowl fine, And if

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Speaker 1: he's not, no shame in that, go get the money.

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Speaker 2: You think you deserve.

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Speaker 1: You've got now a solid two three week span where

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Speaker 1: And as Tom said, there are so many unresolved issues,

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Speaker 2: The team that I'm looking at as.

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Speaker 1: A team that seems to get to the playoffs every

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Speaker 2: And what happened in the end, Well.

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Speaker 1: It was the same Steelers that we have seen every

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Speaker 2: They ended with a loss.

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Speaker 1: Take a look at how the Steelers seasons have ended

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Speaker 1: Now, so I look at this Steelers team, what are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you a team in transition? Are you in rebuild mode?

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Speaker 2: Or are you a team that has TJ.

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Speaker 1: Are we the team that's gonna get Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: There are so many viable veteran options out there. They

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Speaker 1: A good team, not a great team, but that's been

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Speaker 1: their story for nearly a decade in Pittsburgh salary cap gymnastics.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, and it's Duke Tobin, the guy in

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Speaker 2: There are ways, There is an ability.

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Speaker 1: Look, Aaron Glenn came in yesterday at this podium and

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Speaker 1: he was all business in a way that I don't

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Speaker 2: This is a process. He's like, no, we're looking to

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Speaker 1: But they also was not going to suffer any fools

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's even in the cards.

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Speaker 1: So the question to me is we did all this,

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Speaker 2: There's a big push to get it down, no pun intended.

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Speaker 2: More players are getting hurt because of the Toushbush.

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Speaker 1: Now, the potential to get hurt, obviously when you have

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Speaker 2: It speaks at Jamel Singleton, their running.

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Speaker 2: Just two years.

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Speaker 1: This is four years that we have seen the tush

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Speaker 2: It's my list.

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Speaker 1: There are plenty of others out there. Take with this

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Speaker 2: Will Johnson has that size.

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Speaker 2: Where's that?

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Speaker 1: he was the Big Ten freshman player that he was

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Speaker 1: Martindale's all out blitz defense where he was the man

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Speaker 2: As the next dude.

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Speaker 1: He is number ten on the list. Look for him

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Speaker 1: to go in the first round. Of course, in April's draft,

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Speaker 1: number nine, I'm staying in ann Arbor and I'm going

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Speaker 2: Number nine is tight end Colston Loveland.

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Speaker 1: If you want to talk about a different types and

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Speaker 2: As you can set. Is compared to Travis Kelce.

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Speaker 1: In the way that they use him and the way

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Speaker 1: that he can move. Brock Bauers as well, more of

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Speaker 1: a receiving tight end. Six foot five, two hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty five pounds, runs and moves like a receiver.

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Speaker 2: There's a guy who led the.

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Speaker 1: Team with fifty six catches, five hundred and eighty two

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Speaker 1: First team All Big ten last year and is one

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Speaker 2: The next level. We're now at.

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Speaker 1: Ten and nine and they both are out of the

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Speaker 1: number eight. I am higher on this player than I

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Speaker 1: think any of my fellow draft pundits are. But my

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Speaker 1: number eight prospect is Arizona wide receiver Tenoroa McMillan. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call him t mac and he is out of Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: and I am sure my boy Mantaiteo has a little

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Speaker 1: knowledge on this guy. First Team All American, first Team

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Speaker 1: All Big twelve, and he has set a school record

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Speaker 1: He is my number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: In this draft.

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Speaker 1: He is six foot five, two hundred and fifteen pounds.

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Speaker 1: I watched this guy these late night games going up

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Speaker 1: This is a player that has been over different coaching stats,

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Speaker 2: Reminds me of Drake London.

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Speaker 1: That is the body size, six foot five basketball body,

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Speaker 1: nine to eight, number seven. I know he might go

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Speaker 1: first overall, but cam Ward is my seventh overall prospect

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Speaker 1: in this draft.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell it like it is, folks.

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Speaker 1: This is not a draft where the quarterbacks are one

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Speaker 1: through five. As far as prospects go, there are far

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Speaker 1: better depth and talent at the defensive line, at the

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Speaker 2: So cam Ward he might go first or.

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Speaker 1: Second overall, but coming into this thing, I've got him

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Speaker 1: as my seventh best prospect. Loved watching him at Washington

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Speaker 1: Nine passing touchdowns last year, the most ever by a

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Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I don't know if cam Ward's in the same conversation

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Speaker 1: Michael Pennix would both get time, and JJ McCarthy's going

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's in that top tier. Probably in

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Speaker 1: So cam Ward great prospect. We'll be an NFL starter

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Speaker 1: no doubt. But I've got him at seven, not as

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Speaker 1: number one in this prospect list.

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Speaker 2: Number six. I go defense again, and.

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Speaker 1: I go to a place where it's been an absolute

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Speaker 1: for the best linebacker in all the land. To part,

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Speaker 1: he's everything on that defense. He's everywhere on that defense.

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Speaker 2: Was all over the place. I've got him as number

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Speaker 1: This list, and guys, he was a reserve in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. Think about all these different Georgia pass rushers

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Speaker 1: And if there's one thing you can say, you can

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Speaker 2: They come in and they make an impact in the league.

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Speaker 1: Alen Walker is not listed as like a top five

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Speaker 1: pick on any other mock drafts, but I got him

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Speaker 1: as number six right now going into the combine. I

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Speaker 2: This is not everybody's list.

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Speaker 1: It's different than the herd mentality is I always say

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Speaker 1: I don't always have what everyone else has.

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Speaker 2: There's no there's no glory in.

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Speaker 1: Copying someone's mock draft and saying here's is it from

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Speaker 1: my guys here at six, seven, eight, nine, and ten.

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Speaker 1: Of course today we're going to go five through one,

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Speaker 2: How about another Michigan man at number five?

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Speaker 1: Mason Graham is the number five prospect for me going

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Speaker 1: into this combine week.

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Speaker 2: Mason Graham wearing number.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five, just like Brandon Graham out of Michigan. But

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Speaker 1: this guy's on the inside of the defensive line and

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Speaker 1: Had a career year in twenty twenty three and they

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Speaker 1: Now there's been critiques about his body. Does he have

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Speaker 1: he goes even higher than that. From a personal note,

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Speaker 1: our show has a connection to him. He went to

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Speaker 1: the top ten if you're talking about two guys who

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Speaker 1: went into high school together and they went to a

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Speaker 1: school out there in Anaheim. Now, guess what our researcher

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Speaker 1: on the show, Blake Blake, was a math teacher at

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Speaker 1: this school when they were both there at the same

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Speaker 1: time in Anaheim. So I love that team Mac Mason Graham,

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Speaker 1: and of course our guy Blake in research the school itself.

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Speaker 2: Let me get on the phone here because I gotta

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Speaker 2: give it love.

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Speaker 1: I'm here, I am, I'm trying to do all this

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Speaker 1: stuff it is called.

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Speaker 2: And at the school.

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Speaker 1: Here, Servite High School, we see you Servite in Anaheim,

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Speaker 1: churning out NFL content and churning out churning out NFL research.

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Speaker 2: Gods our guy blink.

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Speaker 1: So there we go.

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Speaker 2: That's number five. Yeah, number four. We go to Boise State,

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Speaker 2: where I think Ashton.

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Speaker 1: Gent is one of the top running backs in this

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Speaker 1: draft and will obviously be a.

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Speaker 2: First round pick, number two in the Heisman this year.

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Speaker 1: Did it all at Boise A product, of course, out

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Speaker 1: of Florida. He's a Jackson of Florida kid, five foot nine,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen pounds, won the Dope Walker Award,

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Speaker 1: is a nation's top running back. Why see led college football?

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Speaker 1: We get this number, guys, twenty six one hundred rushing

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Speaker 1: yards in one season. Twenty six rushing yards in one season,

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Speaker 1: and that's major college football.

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Speaker 2: That's not Division three, that's not Division one.

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Speaker 1: Double a two time AP All American, and he two

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Speaker 1: time Mountain West Conference Offensive.

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year. The sigh is the speed. He's

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Speaker 2: got it all.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, he's already said he's not going to work out

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Speaker 1: at the Combine.

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Speaker 2: But if you watched him do any of the.

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Speaker 1: Stuff he did at the Super Bowl, he did a

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Speaker 1: lot of media. He is a big personality and he

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Speaker 1: is very confident that he can bring it to the

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Speaker 1: next level. I have seen some teams tell me. I've

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Speaker 1: had conversations like he might just be the best player

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Speaker 1: in this draft.

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Speaker 2: It's a running backs. We're not sure where that goes,

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Speaker 2: but I've got him at four on this list.

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Speaker 1: Number three is my favorite player to watch in all

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Speaker 1: of college football this past season. He's out of Penn State.

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Speaker 1: He's the tight end who has number forty four. Mister

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren. If you watch any of these Penn State games,

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Speaker 1: this guy does it all. He was a high school

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Speaker 1: quarterback who plays HVAC and plays tight end, and he

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Speaker 1: is an absolute machine. He's got a Mechanicsville Virginia finish

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Speaker 1: seventh in the Heisman this year. That is the highest

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Speaker 1: eight tight end has finished since Notre Dames Ken McAfee

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Speaker 1: finished third in nineteen seventy seven. He was the do

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Speaker 1: it all player on this Penn State offense. Won the

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Speaker 1: John McKie Award as the.

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Speaker 2: Nation's top tight end.

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Speaker 1: Was tied for second in all of college football, not

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Speaker 1: amongst tight ends, among all players, with one hundred and

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Speaker 1: four catches, First Team All Big Ten, Fiesta Bowl MVP,

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Speaker 1: where he had two touchdowns and six catches, and of

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Speaker 1: course was that dominant force in that Penn State offense.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Brant likes to do angry runs like this guy

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Speaker 1: might win it every single week, plays with a fury

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Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 2: Again a high.

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Speaker 1: School quarterback, so he's a superior athlete, bulked up at

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Speaker 1: Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Where's that sea on his chest? As a captain? Unbelievable player.

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Speaker 1: Ty Warren, I think he might go as high as

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Speaker 1: top five. He will not escape the top ten. We

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Speaker 1: already had Lovelades the one tight end out of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I've got another tight end in Warren, and he's as

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Speaker 1: high as number three. I've got a friend, my friend

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Speaker 1: Eric Ziff, who sees all this football. Two years ago,

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Speaker 1: he put me on to Tyler Warren. I have been

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Speaker 1: watching this guy for the last two season and he

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Speaker 1: has gotten.

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Speaker 2: Better and better and better.

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Speaker 1: We'll see where he goes in the draft, which leaves

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Speaker 1: two players left. And I think these two players have

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Speaker 1: been batted around as the top two non quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: this draft. Number two, I've got Tyler Warren's teamate at

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Speaker 1: of Penn State. It's for Abdul Carter. Abdul Carter did

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Speaker 1: it all for Penn State this year. And what a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams love was that he did it ball

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Speaker 1: while he was hurt in the biggest of games.

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Speaker 2: Yes, abduall Carter.

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Speaker 1: Of course he comes out of this thing, and you

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Speaker 1: look at what he did at Penn State.

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Speaker 2: The numbers tell the story.

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Speaker 1: He led all of college football with twenty three and

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Speaker 1: a half tackles for a loss. He was the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten Conference defensive player of the Year All American six three,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty two pounds out of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: gets hurt in that last semifinal game against Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: and still found a way to dominate that game.

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Speaker 2: Anti Tao, I know you were watching it. Number eleven

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Speaker 2: was all over the field.

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Speaker 1: Many people believe, if he'll be the first pick in

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Speaker 1: this draft, Abdul Carter will just go number one to Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: You call it like that. It's easy. He's your Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 2: he's your TJ. Watt.

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Speaker 1: You put him in there. You're set for the next

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Speaker 1: ten years. He is that good of a prospect. I've

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Speaker 1: got him number two on my list because for number

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Speaker 1: one coming into the NFL Draft and coming into the Combine,

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Speaker 1: I've got to go with the player that I watched

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Speaker 1: every single week the past two seasons, and I watched

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Speaker 1: him dominate on both sides of the field. I've got

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter as my number one prospect out of Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Played corner, played a wide receiver, and he won the

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Speaker 1: Heisman this year. I just don't think there's another player

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Speaker 1: like him that we have seen in college football in

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Speaker 1: some time. I actually don't think I in my lifetime

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Speaker 1: I've seen a player do it as much as he

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Speaker 1: did on both.

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Speaker 2: Sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a guy who plays one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty snaps a game and doesn't get hurt, doesn't complain,

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Speaker 1: doesn't demand the ball, and was an elite wide receiver and.

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Speaker 2: Was an elite defensive back.

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Speaker 1: The fact that we are already here at the Combine

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Speaker 1: and there are still teams split on how they would

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Speaker 1: use him tell you just how special a player he is.

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter six' one one to Ninety Heisman trophy, winner

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Speaker 1: two Time first Team All. American he was The big

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Speaker 1: Twelve Defensive player of The year this, year but he

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Speaker 1: was also a first Team All Big twelve wide. Receiver

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Speaker 1: he averaged one hundred and twelve snaps per game last

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Speaker 1: year and this year you're talking about the rarest of.

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Speaker 2: Breeds you're talking about a pure, unicorn and to, me

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Speaker 2: the best player.

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Speaker 1: In college football and the best football player entering this combine. Period,

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Speaker 1: NOW i don't know if he's working out at defensive,

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Speaker 1: back wide, receiver or none of it, all because we

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Speaker 1: don't have that information yet here at the. COMBINE i

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Speaker 1: will say, this he has been with the defensive backs

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Speaker 1: group going through that as far as interviews and measurements

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Speaker 1: and all that. Goes but don't be shocked if AN

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Speaker 1: nfl team drafts him and uses him both at corner

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Speaker 1: and wide, receiver something we have never seen in this,

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Speaker 1: league and that Includes Charles.

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Speaker 2: Woodson Deon. Sanders all these guys to come out of.

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Speaker 1: College and be used that way just doesn't. Happen Chuck

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Speaker 1: bednarik our last true two way, player and that was

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Speaker 1: the nineteen Sixty. Eagles Could Travis hunter be the next?

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Speaker 1: ONE i love NEW i love precedent breaking. Players Travis

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Speaker 1: hunters that. Guy here are my top, five including the

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Speaker 1: top ten prospects of the twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: FIVE Nfl scouting comment just my. Lift you can argue that's.

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Speaker 2: FINE i like. That let's, debate let's have.

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Speaker 1: It i've Got Travis hunter at, One Abdul carter, Two

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Speaker 1: Tyler warren, Three Ashton jente at, Four Mason graham at.

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Speaker 1: Five then you saw six through ten. Yesterday The season

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