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Speaker 1: We're Gonna Lay Me Wyoming, Josh Allen, Monstrous Arm, Ethan Greemer,

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Speaker 1: that's certainly helped him to this point. That's Robert Gagliardi,

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Speaker 1: the senior sports editor and beat writer for the University

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Speaker 1: Wyoming and Mountain West Conference sports for newspapers all over.

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Speaker 1: Gianne and Larry, why, we're very excited to see what

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Speaker 1: happens here for the Jets in the draft. And I

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Speaker 1: know it's an ex sighting time for a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks out there in Wyoming. I'm sure is it's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Certainly keeps us all on our

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Speaker 1: toes and uh here in a few weeks will have

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Speaker 1: some solid answers. I think what stood out to me

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Speaker 1: there about Robert Gagliardi is that he just thought that

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Speaker 1: Alan's competitive nature stood out more than anything, even more

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Speaker 1: than his athleticism. I think that is something that goes

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Speaker 1: unnoticed about him. And you know, obviously, when you think

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Speaker 1: of Josh Allen, you think of the arm and you

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Speaker 1: think of his strength. But he is extremely competitive and

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Speaker 1: his teammates love him. And I think what gagli already

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Speaker 1: said about playing video games and still being competitive, that's

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Speaker 1: something that I think a lot of NFL quarterbacks have

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Speaker 1: is that they hate to lose, and so Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: is extremely interesting on a number of different levels. I

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Speaker 1: think I think it's pretty cool that him and uh

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald about working together throughout this process. They develed

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Speaker 1: that relationship. Yeah, and when we were at the combine

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Speaker 1: and we heard both of those guys speak, you could

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Speaker 1: really tell that they were very friendly and that they

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Speaker 1: push each other to try to become the best quarterback

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Speaker 1: that they can be. Yeah, I think there's some mutual

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Speaker 1: respect there, and those guys know ultimately that Sam donald

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Speaker 1: success is not going to impact Josh Allen and the slightest.

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Speaker 1: They might be forever lenked and forever compared, but you

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Speaker 1: have no reason to root against the guy you're coming

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Speaker 1: out with, because bottom line, you're going to a different situation.

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Speaker 1: That competition is probably over for the most part, but

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Speaker 1: you will be forever linked being part of the two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight team draft class. One thing on Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen's arm. You mentioned that he throws a fastball and

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Speaker 1: high school he throws the ball eight yards. You don't

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Speaker 1: like those nerf balls that have like the tail on

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Speaker 1: the end of it. He said he could throw one

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Speaker 1: well over a hundred, So, I mean that's crazy. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to get too crazy. Yeah, you're getting a

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Speaker 1: little bit too crazy. Is that I would ask you this,

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Speaker 1: how many times in the NFL game are you throwing

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Speaker 1: ball eight yards? I'm not I'm not sure. I didn't

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Speaker 1: say that you are. I'm asking you a question. You're

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Speaker 1: probably not throwing it a lot of doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: it's not impressive. It is impressive. That's crazy. My point

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Speaker 1: is it's like the deep outs, the throws in the

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Speaker 1: Show Football League that we're talking about, or can you

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Speaker 1: throw the ball across the field to the other boundary

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Speaker 1: and things like that. Very few times are gonna throw

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Speaker 1: the ball seventy yards on a rope. But he he

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Speaker 1: does throw it differently than anybody else coming out. There's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. He has to be refined. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to call him a project, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think he is a project. But you can make the

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Speaker 1: argument all these guys before the International Football League are

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Speaker 1: somewhat of a project. The thing with Alan is that

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Speaker 1: he's one of the guys where you don't really see them.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could close your eyes and you can

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Speaker 1: physically hear the ball whistle by you. And that's something

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Speaker 1: that was set in an interview with Daniel Jeremiah and

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks on their podcast Move the Sticks. And I

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Speaker 1: think that Alan, like you said, the deep outs is

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Speaker 1: something that's very intriguing and small windows too, because he

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Speaker 1: can really plant and deliver right, And you're right about that.

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Speaker 1: And the one one of the knocks on him too

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Speaker 1: was that does he have taught? Does he have one speed?

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Speaker 1: And I think he's developing that as we go. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing that it seems like Jordan Palmer is

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Speaker 1: working on with him especially is footwork. You hear so

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Speaker 1: many guys talk about this Jam Pattington as a great example.

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Speaker 1: So you think about the head and the feet. Where's

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Speaker 1: the head, where's the feet? Because the head's got to

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Speaker 1: set up the protections. The head has to go through

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Speaker 1: the progressions. The head has to look at the defense

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Speaker 1: and say this is what the coverage is. While that's happening,

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Speaker 1: your feet have to be on schedule. And then the

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Speaker 1: last part of that is the arm. Something with Alan

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Speaker 1: is that he said even at the Senior Bowl back

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Speaker 1: in January, the thousand thing he wanted to work on,

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Speaker 1: and you've seen him improved from the Senior Bowl to

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Speaker 1: the combine to the Pro day and Laramie, Wyoming with

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Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer right there, and that one of the things

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Speaker 1: that Jordan Palmer wanted to help Alan do was kind

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Speaker 1: of widened his base a little bit to help his

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Speaker 1: footwork to deliver a more accurate strike. And the one

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Speaker 1: thing about Alan that I'd say the top three picks

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Speaker 1: as it stands now have in common is inclement weather,

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Speaker 1: which with an arm like that makes you an appealing option.

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Speaker 1: Because we talked about it just now with Gagliardi, is

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Speaker 1: that it's snowing, it's hailing, it's raining. Alan can throw

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Speaker 1: through it. And old school guys gonna tell you hand

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Speaker 1: size are important, right and Josh Allen is a monster

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Speaker 1: of a man and you're a big man. He's got

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Speaker 1: big hands too. You know. He didn't turn it over

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Speaker 1: that much last year in terms of interceptions are concerned.

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Speaker 1: But ball security is imperative in the national football If

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Speaker 1: you can't protect the football, you're not gonna have a

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Speaker 1: chance to play. Uh. It's gonna be interesting to watch

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Speaker 1: his transition. The natural comparison as Carson Wantz because once

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Speaker 1: once to North Dakota State, there is some coaching familiarity there.

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Speaker 1: That's how Alan wound up at Why all I mean

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Speaker 1: because coach who was with once North Dakota State saw

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Speaker 1: this guy and said, we gotta get this guy to

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Speaker 1: wild Loon mean as well, so big dude can make

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Speaker 1: all the throws. Good personality. Will have to see if

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Speaker 1: his career is that kind of ascension that Carson Wentz did,

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Speaker 1: because I'll tell you what in his second professional season

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Speaker 1: wants it looked like down I follow MVP before he

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Speaker 1: went out, but the Eagles won a Super Bowl anyway,

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Speaker 1: But I digress. I'm getting off point. There you have it.

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Speaker 1: The Josh Allen episode on the Official Jets Podcast, Ethan

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Speaker 1: Greenberg and Eric Allen again the draft just around the corner.

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Speaker 1: Next episode, Next man Up, Baker Mayfield. Stay tuned