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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily sp in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Ziggura. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's be alive on a Tuesday edition of the program. Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: I've taken to that. I really had, I really enjoy

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Speaker 1: a Tuesday. And Kingsley would like to incorporate that into

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Speaker 1: his his vocab as well. Yeah, Kingsley probably would like it.

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Speaker 1: He's having a good run, good run of play of late.

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Speaker 1: It's great. All fronts really thriving at an artwork selection

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Speaker 1: that is going to go as some sort of thing

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Speaker 1: at the high school. So that's exciting. Uh. Part of

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Speaker 1: the god squad on the lacrosse team. So he's really

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Speaker 1: he's really chesty. And I did not have a good

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Speaker 1: morning with Bootsy this morning at all. Um, you didn't

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Speaker 1: or he didn't well both. Uh. He came down in

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Speaker 1: navy and white horizontal striped uh leggings Aqua Puma Aqua

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Speaker 1: and black Puma shorts and a red and black Jordan

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Speaker 1: T shirt. Hold on a second leggings underneath like the

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Speaker 1: Nike tights. Yeah, they wear them like for sports. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that there you have. He has some horizontal striped ones. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: under armour, had their under armour and they're like their

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Speaker 1: mostly navy with like white pin stripes crossed like horizontal.

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Speaker 1: So he wore that with like a light blue short

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Speaker 1: Puma short with a black stripe, so none of that goes.

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Speaker 1: And then he had a black and red Jordan T

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Speaker 1: shirt on and I go, I said, what are we

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Speaker 1: doing here? Pal? I go, this isn't gonna work. Immediately,

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Speaker 1: Oh God, why does this always happen to me? It's

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Speaker 1: in though, mixing colors is in right now? No not,

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Speaker 1: I said, we have we have rules. I said, we

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Speaker 1: were not having this. We're we're not gonna We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna have this. We gotta go sort it out. So

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Speaker 1: we went upstairs and then he was a catat just

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Speaker 1: a meltdown, total meltdown. As I put him in some

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Speaker 1: joggers and a T shirt. So you can't go to

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Speaker 1: school like that, dude. He was unhappy. Amy told me

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Speaker 1: that even going into school he was still piste off

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Speaker 1: about crocodile tears. So that was that was the morning

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Speaker 1: to me. The other part of the morning for me

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Speaker 1: this morning was black Cobra the ten year old, like

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Speaker 1: they're just he's at this age where he's testing me

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Speaker 1: on everything and he goes, he goes, here, can you

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Speaker 1: can you solve a Rubik's cube in a minute and

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Speaker 1: a half. And I said, no, I can't. And he goes, well,

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a ten year old in my class.

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Speaker 1: You can do it in a minute. Does that mean

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Speaker 1: he's smarter than you, No, it doesn't. But I'm proud

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Speaker 1: of you, your kids doing that, sticking to it, to

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Speaker 1: try to stick it to you as so my kids

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Speaker 1: have entered the phase at fourteen and twelve where like

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Speaker 1: one of their favorite things to do. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty easy going guy, Pretty easy are the most

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Speaker 1: glasses have full gunt but life they just love to

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Speaker 1: mock me now like every time, Oh my god, all

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Speaker 1: and they think it is hilarious. And of course I

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Speaker 1: will sell it if like, if they get me a

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Speaker 1: good like, I'll be wounded and give them exactly what

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Speaker 1: they're looking for. But yeah, they really enjoy yeah, unprovoked market.

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Speaker 1: And I'm out here trying to be nice, trying to

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Speaker 1: just you know, shower them with love and affection. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know you know, growing up on the ranch, there

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Speaker 1: wasn't time for like dad to be like, hey, I

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Speaker 1: just want you to know, like I'm so proud of you,

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Speaker 1: how much I love you, Like you didn't hear those

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Speaker 1: things we got Brown Spotted is birthing other new brown

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Speaker 1: the next generation and you got attend to that and

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Speaker 1: you know, so like there wasn't a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: So I as kind of a reaction to that, I

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Speaker 1: probably over tell them how much I loved, how proud

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Speaker 1: just like, yeah, but we do want to make fun

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Speaker 1: of you. Basically, that is where we're at. Well, thank you, Yeah, thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks guys. What's the deal? Come on, man, let's just

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Speaker 1: get along what I do. Can't we all just be friends? Right? Good? Great, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's where you're at. It's let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: I think that you said something yesterday that was so

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Speaker 1: spot on imprescient that you're like, I just want to

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Speaker 1: keep boots he like right here forever. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: wanted him to be in this package like he entered

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're coming to the end of it.

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Speaker 1: Of like his pure joy, he's always gonna have a

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Speaker 1: zest for life, like that's none of his spirit. But

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Speaker 1: nearing the beginning of the end of it. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then just wait, like you're gonna go from being the

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Speaker 1: coolest dude in the world and oh Dad, you're the

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Speaker 1: hero to like i'd rather make funny. Oh yeah, that's yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what's I felt like that was happening with this

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Speaker 1: rubeiscube conversation this morning. Just be like, how many other

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Speaker 1: dads know about last drops and bots and dog water.

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Speaker 1: That's right, relax, you're safe. That continues to be hilarious,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I love because he wants to know

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Speaker 1: why where I got it, how I came to the information,

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Speaker 1: and then he kind of pushes back and he's like, well,

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Speaker 1: you don't really know that, Like I know, you don't

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Speaker 1: really know what that is. So then it was like, fine,

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Speaker 1: play me, play me, let's go, and the thing like

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Speaker 1: you wanted me to like play him one on one

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Speaker 1: and creative that she says to be like, what do

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Speaker 1: I do one? I one in creative, go one on

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Speaker 1: one in the creative? Say what do you wanna do

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Speaker 1: some zone wars? Fine, we'll do it. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to creative, we'll be able to able to do his

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Speaker 1: zone wars? Do you think I can beat him in

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Speaker 1: those things? No? I think you will get I think

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Speaker 1: you'll be dead before you even know what has happening.

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Speaker 1: He beat me, like, uh he was I did a

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Speaker 1: was right before spring break. Um, he was begging me

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Speaker 1: I said, fine, fine, I'll play you fine, And I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking to myself, normally my trick to this is, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the direct passing is my trick on all

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Speaker 1: the touch on the three right? And I did pull

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Speaker 1: his zago like it was into the third quarter and

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Speaker 1: was hitting threes and I I picked a team. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember who I picked. I want to say I

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Speaker 1: picked Phoenix, and I could not get Givin Devin Booker, right,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get the Strong. And people's releases are different.

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Speaker 1: And he clearly had a team that he had played

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Speaker 1: with a lot, and so he had it down. I knew.

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Speaker 1: I said, I gotta go, gotta go make dinner. I'm out.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you later. He was so fired up about it.

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Speaker 1: But I did use the lessons of Zaga. Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 1: It's a great lesson, just keeping his memory lives. Zago,

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Speaker 1: you got to somebody just walk off too dark, too

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Speaker 1: close to dinner. Sorry about that, nothing to see when

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Speaker 1: I come over. When I come over, Yeah, we'll get

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll we'll serve them a big slice of humble

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Speaker 1: pie on the sticks. It'll be great. Oh, I think so,

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Speaker 1: And I think you bring Bryce and then we do

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Speaker 1: the Fortnite. But I don't. He's not cocky about Fortnite.

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Speaker 1: Like he's got buddies who were like that's what's what

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Speaker 1: they were really some breakdowns. And I think, are you

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Speaker 1: guys doing like your buddies, you lunatics. By the way,

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Speaker 1: some of the reason I think that they sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, going back, like, I can't remember

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Speaker 1: later than this though it was way later. You weren't

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Speaker 1: doing it at this age. No, no, no, it was

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Speaker 1: like we weren't even aware. You're not even aware of

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Speaker 1: Bird was pretty discreet with it, you know, but that

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Speaker 1: much much much later. Um, the Draft is Thursday. What

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Speaker 1: is your what is your favorite draft memory with the

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Speaker 1: the who are making the actual picks? Like that was

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Speaker 1: everything like that. Um from a Brown's memory standpoint. And

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Speaker 1: It was, Ben'll ever hear it? Go ahead, don't say

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Speaker 1: that I'm on it. Clooney rate to take you out,

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Speaker 1: by the way a Fortnite real life battle. By the way, though, Gibby,

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Speaker 1: speaking of the bp A, before I tell the story

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Speaker 1: really quickly, did you see that there was some guy

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Speaker 1: was after you last night? Yeah, Craig Herbert, he said, WHOA.

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Speaker 1: Why did CBD disappear from Google podcast? I smell sabotage.

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Speaker 1: It was removed from my subs and b p A

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Speaker 1: is the first result when I searched for it. Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: I'm onto you, buddy. Your defense well, here's my answer

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Speaker 1: to that. Number One. I don't have iTunes, I don't

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Speaker 1: sabotaging myself. I'm just gonna throw that out there. So

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Speaker 1: you're saying you like to live the show, actually do

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Speaker 1: it and then then go listen to it. Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: how I know how many times you screw up in

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Speaker 1: two hours? What was what was the Well, that's an

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Speaker 1: Austin powers of myself? What is it? What is that?

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Speaker 1: Is that? An awesome pase? Allow myself to introduce myself. No,

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Speaker 1: Love that's why you're the big pe that's you said,

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Speaker 1: favorite draft man. So this one didn't turn out, and

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Speaker 1: in matter of fact, it didn't work out at all.

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Speaker 1: But at the time I was in Radio City Music

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Speaker 1: all the Draft was still there. It was my first

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Speaker 1: and there's a video Jeff McDaniel put together, and I

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Speaker 1: don't even know how I did this, but I said,

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Speaker 1: they're beginning be looking at a cornerback, and then I

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Speaker 1: the first round and going after a quarterback. And that's

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Speaker 1: what you said yesterday about Baker. Like at Oklahoma, he

424
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Speaker 1: was a transformative player put Texas A and M football

425
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: back on the map. No, no, there's no question he

426
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: put it on them. They don't even have the Oklahoma

427
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: history that the Baker headed Oklahoma like and M doesn't

428
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: have that. They don't have national championships. I'm gonna say something,

429
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: and you may you may have facts that tell me

430
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: that I'm an idiot. However, oh, there it is. The

431
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: swag is back, looking at the fine Italian leather. Unbelievable,

432
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: he's got the kick, He's got me kicks and very

433
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 1: actually and yet very believable. Yes, so here's my my

434
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: good statement. And I don't think believe it's that bold

435
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: because this is coming through my lens. I don't think

436
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: college football, at least in my lifetime, was ever bigger

437
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: or more mainstream than it was at the peak of

438
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: Johnny Football. It was everywhere. And I'm again I know

439
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: that will love culturaball I continues, probably maybe ratings are

440
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: getting bigger, but I'm talking about as a phenomenon that

441
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: everybody knew, whether you're a college football fan or not.

442
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: John football, I feel like was the peak. Tebow would

443
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: be the other peak. To me, those are the two

444
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: guys that, like I couldn't even if though I wasn't

445
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: a huge college football guy per se, like they were

446
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: everywhere your thoughts. You're much more of an expert on this.

447
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it was the peak. I think that

448
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: I think that it was a perfect storm of It

449
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: was kind of a building of social media, the expansion

450
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: of the Southeastern Conference, Johnny football got more out of

451
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: beating Bama like that, anybody got out of anything. Like

452
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: he beat Bama as a red shirt freshman. He did

453
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: not beat him as a red as a sophomore in

454
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: his second year, he beat him as a red shirt freshman.

455
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: Nobody had beaten Bam in Awhile, UM and and Texas

456
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: A and Emma just come into the SEC. So that

457
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: was a critical part of it. Um. I don't think

458
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: it's it's not peak college football. I think peak college

459
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: football would probably have been. Uh, there's a lot of

460
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: errors that would have been peak college football from a

461
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: popularity standpoint, but certainly in the early two thousands, Um,

462
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, Vince Young against Reggie Bush and Matt Leiner

463
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: when they're dating Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, that's way up there.

464
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: The Miami teams in the early two thousands would have

465
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: been way up there. Those were big time and known.

466
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: Um from a rating standpoint, it probably got bigger later.

467
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: He was a phenomenon. There's no question he was a phenomenon,

468
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: but he wasn't bigger than Peyton Manning was at Tennessee. Um,

469
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been now, Oh no, no, no, no no.

470
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: I feel like from a pop culture. Like but again

471
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: it's the social media part of it, Like that's fair.

472
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: The others did and was just like a normal guy.

473
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: This was like this was John Football. I mean it was.

474
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: It was the social media aspect that that allowed for

475
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: a president at his pro day that he did in

476
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: a helmet and cambo that he was. He was. I'll

477
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: tell you this, he was the peak college football celebrity.

478
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I will say that that's what

479
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: it was, the peak college football celebrity, probably even usurping

480
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: Bush and Liner when they were you know, at that

481
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: was Tebow not as big as I He was a

482
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: very culture He was an incredible cultural phenomenon in the

483
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: South and really very But John Football was And what

484
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: was crazy about him he didn't have Johnny did not

485
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: have the most people in college football. It's not like

486
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: you viewed Johnny as like a sure thing. I mean

487
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: in w in a way, he was kind of like

488
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: a a modern incarnation of like if you think of

489
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: like what Archie Manning was like an old miss like

490
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: a schoolboy sensation or Billy Billy Cannon at l s U.

491
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: Where it was like you weren't worried about if they

492
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: were gonna be pros or not. It was just this

493
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: guy has captured a city and a college in a campus.

494
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: That was the time when I was watching a lot

495
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: of tape that this fourteen draft, and and I had

496
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: very well formulate depenions, and I said, I have no idea.

497
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: I remember my conclusion, Jimonds, all you can see things

498
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: that may think he's great, I have no idea. I

499
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: have no idea of the maturity of guy. Like there's

500
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: stuff that I would have access to just from watching

501
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: him play tape. He doesn't play quarterback the way that

502
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: you know you would traditionally see people be successful in

503
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: the NFL. But maybe it's a new year of kind

504
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: of backyard football. But my biggest segway when I watched

505
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours and every throw that he

506
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: ever made, was who the hell is Mike Evans? I

507
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: want that guy because it felt like a lot of it. Well,

508
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: forget that mom was on that team. I'm gonna run

509
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: around and I'm gonna throw it up and oh my,

510
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm throwing it to Mike Evans playing

511
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: against people in college and people. Also forget Jake Matthews

512
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: was on that line. They had a very good offensive.

513
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: Matthews go six, Evans go seventh. I want to say

514
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: that Rick Seals Jones came in there somewhere around that

515
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: port either right after right before big Rick Seals guy. Yeah,

516
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: he was in the mix. Um No, he was a

517
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: he was a phenomenon. There's no there's no doubt, but it.

518
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember all the quarterbacks in that

519
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: draft in two thousand and fourteen, Like, who were the

520
00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: other guys that were Teddy Teddy john Football, um Car,

521
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, Garoppolo. So his here was the other thing

522
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: to remember, and I think I have the numbers on

523
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: this right. The next year, Johnny's sophomore year, Winston wins

524
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: the Heisman at Florida State, and Winston it was like, oh,

525
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: this dude's a pro, Like Winston was a pro. Winston Mariota,

526
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: Winston Mariota. They went it back to back, but Winston

527
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: won a Redshirts a freshman. Mariota wins at the next

528
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: year Florida State when idefeated, he won the national title.

529
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: So it was like, even as Johnny was draft eligible,

530
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: you knew that there was a better prospect coming and

531
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: so that was but as a phenom, No, he was

532
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: probably Pete college football phenom other than like the old

533
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: days like the fifties where you would hear about and

534
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: I think maybe that's what I meant. Maybe that was

535
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: just like in terms of his his star was as

536
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: bright as I can ever recall. I think that's very

537
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: very fair. Uh, your conversation with Andrew Barry come, by

538
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: the way, what a segment. I looked at the clock one.

539
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: No big deal when you're out there having when you're

540
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: out there having fun and you get so I haven't

541
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: even heard about Frank Savarro's response to your d M yet. No, No,

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557
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: with Andrew Berry. Where we are Draft week? Finally, so

558
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: much work has gone and you open your comments thinking

559
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: the area scouts and everything that in your group, all

560
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: the time people have put in to get to this moment.

561
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: Is there kind of a sense of relief that it's here?

562
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: I would say probably less a sense of relief and

563
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: more a sense of both calm and excitement simultaneously. It's

564
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: actually a little bit This week is actually a little

565
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: bit slower. It's a little bit hurry up and wait

566
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: as everybody comes back into the building. Um, and really

567
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: we're finalizing the undrafted free agent process. But everyone's excited

568
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: for the weekend and looking forward to who the newest

569
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Browns are going to be. We're certainly excited about that.

570
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: And for the Browns, this draft doesn't start at least

571
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: as with today, until the second round, pick number forty.

572
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: Before now, I was going back and remembering you haven't

573
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: picked where you're supposed to pick at any point in

574
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: the second round in your two drafts, this will be

575
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: your third. The first time you move back still get

576
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: Grant Delpin, and then Nick Harris is a bonus there

577
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: who's now going to be the center for the Cleveland Browns.

578
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: And then last year you move up to get Jeremiah

579
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Usu Cormo. Is there something about the second round that

580
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: makes it easy to maneuver up and down what you've

581
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: done in your two years? You know, I wouldn't say

582
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: that there's anything specific to the second round. We just

583
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: try and take advantage of opportunities as they present themselves

584
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: to us over draft weekend. So, um, that could really

585
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: be any round of the draft. Have you guys upgraded

586
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: the simulation protocol? Because I was told last year we

587
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: went through a million simulations and yet none of them

588
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: produced reality, which is breaking newsom in Jeremiah Usu Cormo.

589
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: So we upgraded this to account for even those things

590
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: we consider unfail Hey, well, we will see today today

591
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: is actually our simulation day, um, And I'll be about

592
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: a better answer for you in the press conference after

593
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: the draft that I do today Okay, so walk us

594
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: through that. What is what does that actually mean? Yeah,

595
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: so we spent to the last week really just talking

596
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: through strategies at each of the different um, you know,

597
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: pick slots that we have, and then today it's it's

598
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: kind of both. UM, it's a good kind of draft

599
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: room operations test frum as well as a little bit

600
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: of like team building with our area scouts in where

601
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: we run through maybe I don't know exact number, we

602
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: went through a lot of mock draft simulations where some

603
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: will be scripted, UM, some will be off the cuff,

604
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: some will be randomized so that you know, with the

605
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: group that's in the draft room or operating in the

606
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: draft room. UM, it forces us to react to, you know,

607
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: different situations as they arrived, whether it's um unfortunate situation

608
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: at the time that we're picking at seventy eight or

609
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: ninety nine or wherever that may be, or an unfortunate

610
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: situation or weighing UM, you know, trades, and it's less

611
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: about the actual specific sequence of players, but more about

612
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: the types of general situations that you're trying to tease out.

613
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: So maybe it's a run on a certain position, or

614
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: maybe it's a UM you know, an underpriced trade it offer,

615
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: or maybe it's an opportunity to move up or back

616
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: by a large amount to really kind of tease out

617
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: those preferences. Has there been a situation that came up

618
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: in these simulations in either of the last two drafts

619
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: that actually then kind of happened and so you were like,

620
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: we were hoping this happened, and then here it is. Yeah,

621
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: so actually several to be to be honest with you,

622
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: so it's good. Yeah, yeah. So, um, you know the

623
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: situation with with Grant, you know, a kind of a

624
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: small move back, and we had a number of players

625
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: that we liked at that spot. You know, that was

626
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: one UM. When we moved back to take Jordan Elliott

627
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: and added a future third round pick in that same draft,

628
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: that was another UM. And then even um, you know

629
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: last year with with Jeremiah even though you know, we

630
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: weren't considering him as the player that might be the follower.

631
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: We run through a number of different scenarios where we

632
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: had a group of players that we thought had some

633
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: potentially to go later than perhaps how we had valued them, um,

634
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: and we kind of worked through what we would call

635
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: small move up pricing that would make us comfortable doing

636
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: executing such a We didn't know it would be for

637
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Jeremia at the time, but it would help us be

638
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: prepared on draft day because your first pick is slated

639
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: at forty four. Do we kind of like sim the

640
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: first round so we go through that very quickly and

641
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: then the scenario kind of starts in the second round?

642
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: Or do you go through as you would have last

643
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: year when you did have a pick in the first No,

644
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: we I mean we go through pretty quickly if um,

645
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, if we're not you know, it's not like

646
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna spend twenty minutes going through the through the

647
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: top ten and there there may be um, you know,

648
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: call fifteen players where you have pretty good indication that

649
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: they're going to go well before your pick, so you

650
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: may start the drafted you know fifteen or twenty or

651
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: or twenty five, something along those lines. Um, you know,

652
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: just a safe time, all right. This is something I

653
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: always find fascinating. I think people, you know, you look

654
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: at seven rounds and thirty plus picks per round, and

655
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: the fact that you know two hun plus players are

656
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: going to get drafted, that everybody's got two hundred plus

657
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: players on their draft board. And I always think it's

658
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: interesting how many people are actually on the draft board,

659
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: So ballpark and you ballpark for us, how many guys

660
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: are actually on the draft? Yeah, it's it's usually anywhere

661
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: from for us, UM. And I think part of it

662
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: is us because the draft board, particularly once you get

663
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: to the third round across the league, it diverges pretty,

664
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, pretty significantly because usually at that point in

665
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: the draft, you're talking about guys that may profile as

666
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: role players or backups or developmental prospects, um. And that

667
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: might be a little bit more organizational or or scheme

668
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: specific um, you know, based on the traits that you

669
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: may prioritize. How important is that you mentioned kind of

670
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: those late day three guys will call them. How important

671
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: is it to find people that can help your organization

672
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: in those rounds that I'll take Donovan People's jones the

673
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: sixth rounders contributed to Metrich Felton last year, Nick Harris

674
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: a fifth rounder. Now, looking like you're starting center. Given

675
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: the way salaries work, the salary cap to be able

676
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: to have some of that what I would call very

677
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: well priced labor for the organization. Yeah, you know, any

678
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: any time that you can find a contributor on a

679
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: rookie deal. It it helps out your team from a

680
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: talent standpoint, and it helps out your team from a

681
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: long term planning perspective. Um because of the positive impact

682
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: that it has on the salary cap. So those guys

683
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: are key. They don't necessarily have to be stars or

684
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: starters for them to provide value, but um, those picks

685
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: are very very important. I want to ask you're talking

686
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: about some of the exercises you guys do, and and

687
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: Depots shared this with us last year, was that at

688
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: at some point, I know if you've done this yet

689
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: again this year or if you're going to do it

690
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: again this year, but and I may not have it

691
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: exactly right, but that you would go around and would

692
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: be everybody on the draft board, take give me somebody

693
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: that you would absolutely pound the table for. You'd have

694
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: to have and somebody's on the board that you personally

695
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: are like, that's not my guy, And that when you

696
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: went around basically everybody a lot there was a lot

697
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: of similarity at guys that were liked, but then also

698
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: guys that people didn't like. To kind of show that

699
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the only person and

700
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: I think what he said the line was the only

701
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: person in here it's gonna draft somebody that they're not

702
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: add percent against, is you? Was that a cool exercise

703
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: and just kind of eye opening see that how many

704
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: great football minds can see and probably want the draft

705
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: so hard, right because some many people can see things

706
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: so differently, you know, honestly, it's a little bit of

707
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: an illustration. Um. So what we did with that information

708
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: we said, okay, if we had to build a draft

709
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: board where it was only players that had received you know,

710
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: call it multiple votes, is hey, one of the players

711
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: that people would be most excited to acquire and multiple

712
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: votes where um least excited to acquire if we eliminated those,

713
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: and it would be like a draft board of twenty

714
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: four player or something along those lines. So it's a

715
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: little bit more of an example to say, hey, the

716
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: draft is hard, and diverge is pretty quickly like take

717
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: as much input as possible, but you know there are

718
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: going to be guys that you know, even internally, people

719
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: are more enthusiastic about or less enthusiastic about when you

720
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: take them. And that's not a function of of of

721
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: not listening or whatever, but just the player pool of

722
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: like true quote unquote consensus players is very small um,

723
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: not only across the NFL but even within buildings. When

724
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: you get to that that true let's call those twenty four.

725
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: Are they typically first rounders or is it sometimes surprised that,

726
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: like they can be guys that are middle round guys.

727
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: Now they're us they're usually the high pickstly otherwise if

728
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: there were no more, you would be going, you would

729
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: be going early. What are you doing Thursday night? How

730
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: do you approach the a Thursday night? And some of

731
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: the other gms who because this is a unique draft.

732
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: I think there are eight teams of multiple first round picks,

733
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: seven that don't have both highest in NFL history, you know,

734
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: and I think in the Miami getaid, we're just gonna

735
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: watch Tyreek Hill highlights. What are you gonna do kind

736
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: of during the first round? How do you approach that?

737
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: Knowing that you don't have a pick in that it

738
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: would be not difficult, not impossible, but challenging probably to

739
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get into the first round.

740
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: If you're so inclined, I mean, you were you really

741
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: still you really still monitor so number one, you'll still

742
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: spend time with your your scouts and your staff and um,

743
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: and certainly watch the draft and um, you know, some

744
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: things do become actionab well, certainly like you know later

745
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: in the round, um, you know. But the other the

746
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: other thing is it's not just um, you know, picks

747
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: that move during the draft. You know, sometimes it's players

748
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: as well. So you really just just really trying to

749
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: be plugged in. Um. You know, unlikely that will make

750
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: a major decision on on Thursday night. UM, but you know,

751
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: you can't can't completely unplug. They can't roll it out,

752
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: you can't rull it out. How often does the phone

753
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: ring or do you make calls? Just we'll take it

754
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: on a on a day to we'll call a Friday

755
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: in the draft, like in some people that it's frantic,

756
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: call the trade, let's do this, do that? What's it

757
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: actually like? So it's usually pretty calm until maybe five

758
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: to seven slots before you yeah, before you pick um,

759
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: I would say, honestly, as a matter of uh, you know,

760
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: practice either taking a call or making a call. Probably

761
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: like every pick um through maybe like you're through the

762
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: fourth round. Like as I think back to draft, there

763
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: probably hasn't been a pick in the first three rounds Um,

764
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: you know where we haven't even where we haven't taken

765
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: a call or made a call. So it's it's the trade.

766
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: Activity is usually pretty frequent. That's not always the case,

767
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: but you know, within the top four rounds usually there's

768
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: a fair amount of activity. Whatever the phone rings, you

769
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of is it a little jolt of excitement like,

770
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: oh man, what can there be? What can be coming

771
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: right here? It kind of becomes far from the course

772
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: at this point. So that is it usually a quick

773
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: now like no, No, you'd be surprised, Like, yeah, you'd

774
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: be surprised because part of it is you're trying to

775
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: play out number of different scenarios based on how the

776
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: next several picks may fall. Um. But again that's why

777
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: we try and sort through as much of that as

778
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: possible last week today. Um, so you have a frameworking place,

779
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: so you're not really emotional during that time and you're organized.

780
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: We know you've been doing salary cap since you as

781
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: a young man, which I know that you love this,

782
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: but were you also doing drafts back then? I mean

783
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: I used to do strata matic with my dad. We

784
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: would break up the whole NFL. We would draft the

785
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: guys back out is that something that you always did

786
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: as a young man as well? It's something I don't

787
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: think so, I mean, you probably have to ask my

788
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: parents for that one, but I don't. That's not anything

789
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: I remember really doing. Right. What are you most looking

790
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: forward to over the next three days, um, you know,

791
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: really probably just having everybody in who's worked so hard

792
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: over the past you know, fourteen or fifteen months. You know,

793
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: I feel like we've done a lot of really good work,

794
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: and we're certainly excited about adding good players. But it's

795
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: one of the few times aside from camp, you know,

796
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: veteran mini camp as well, that um, you know, that

797
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: we really get to spend time together and so it's

798
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of a great, um, great point

799
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: in the year because so many people have made so

800
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: many sacrifices to make the weekend successful. And I'll go

801
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: back to what I started talking about those area scouts,

802
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: and you mentioned also that there's a lot of undrafted

803
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: free agent work. And I think everybody knows the draft,

804
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: but the undrafted portion you can end up with a

805
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: guy like a J. Green, who has been very good

806
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: for us. That's kind of a recruitment period. I know,

807
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: it's something you're very excited about. What is it about

808
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: that period because people said, well, they didn't even get trifted,

809
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: But sometimes there's reasons for that and you end up

810
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: getting really good players there. That's kind of the draft

811
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: after the draft. What do you love about that? I

812
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: think it's it's similar to how you operate in the

813
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: late rounds because you realize that you know, the probability

814
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: would say that, you know, the overwhelming majority, you know

815
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: probably won't work out over the long, over long period

816
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: of time. Um, you know, some may not make it

817
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: out of camp, somebody make it on the practic squad

818
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: and then maybe feels out a little bit. But there

819
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: real is the impact of even just one guy you're

820
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: making it over a multi year period, and the impact

821
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: could have on your team from a performance and salary

822
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: cap perspective, you know, really kind of makes it worthwhile.

823
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: It is a little bit of like kind of finding

824
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: a needle in a haystack, so to speak. But um,

825
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you have a strong c F A class,

826
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: it's it's something that can can really help you over

827
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: the long term. Again, even if they're not necessarily stars

828
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: on your team, maybe always a pleasure excited to see

829
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do here over the next few days,

830
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: and as always happy that you're the one leading this

831
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: organization to put that best roster on the field and

832
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: and get ready for the season. Appreciate you for having me. Nate. Alright.

833
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: Good By the way, only he and Pedro can call

834
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: you Nate. I think, yeah, it's a it's a short list.

835
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: It is a short list. But he uh, yeah, he

836
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: if maybe he can. Early on in our tenure, I

837
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: gave I gave you a Nate. You didn't say anything,

838
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: but I could tell that you weren't used to it.

839
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: It was something we were coming back from breaking. It

840
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: was awkward, and I said, tell him what, it's something.

841
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: It was early. I mean I was Nate my whole youth,

842
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: because Nate Dog, you know, Warrangey, the regulators, you know. Yeah,

843
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: so I was a big It was definitely a Nate,

844
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: Nate Dog my whole youth. And then I feel like

845
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: Nate sounds like like for Nate Burlson, it works because

846
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: he's always Nate. Yeah, I feel like, but I was,

847
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, and he was nasty Nate and no, Nathan,

848
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know Pedro ned that's the

849
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: one I love. He's still called he still calls me

850
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: like when you'll call our neat ski. He'll give me

851
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: ski every now and then. There you go. I like it.

852
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: We'll go around the league coming up next, including the Niners.

853
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: Are they willing to offer willing to listen to offers

854
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: for d But of course they are. But we'll get

855
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: into that among other things coming up next ahead. I

856
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: also want to go through I want to throw this

857
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: into the rundown being a big pe right now and

858
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: we don't do today. But did you happen to just

859
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: glance at Bender did the best draft pick, best quarterback

860
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: drafted at every number in the first round in NFL history.

861
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: I saw it this morning, but I did have a

862
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: chance to click on it. It's a sad list, like

863
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: it is, a shockingly sad list and not great, not great, stunning.

864
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: It's really hard to land a quarterback, apparently very very

865
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: difficult to do. You listen tole the Broad Daily on

866
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: eight fifty ESPN Cleveland, Cleveland Browns Daily on sp N Cleveland.

867
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: A lot of bad advice out there about gambling, from

868
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: secret methods picking lottery numbers to betting big when you're

869
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: on a roll, the mists can lose your money and

870
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: keep you in a lot of keep you in a

871
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. So before you wage your find out

872
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: what's real and what isn't it? Keep it fun Ohio

873
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: dot com. As we go around the league, the saloon

874
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: font forty niners willing to listen to offers for Deebo

875
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: Samuel in general giving once to know, what do you

876
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: think it would take to get him? It's gonna take

877
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: a couple of ones. Probably that's what they're gonna want

878
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: for him, because he's still on that deal. I just

879
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: don't I'd be maybe it'll happen. My dad does not

880
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: want it to happen. I can tell you that we

881
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: talked yesterday, Nerd. I was like that. I was like,

882
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: you see the new uniforms. Crap. They're like, what do

883
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: you mean? I said, they're going back to the three

884
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: stripes Jodd's And I said, and they're going back to

885
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: the saloon fun Pause. Do you know it's saloon fund

886
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: is dead? No, So I tell us that's a cool

887
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: looking old for everything's going back. Figurines He's got he was.

888
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: He's happy about that, but he's mad debo. Apparently everybody's

889
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: mad at debo. Now the fans are mad at debo.

890
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: Everybody had they've had enough of it. Yeah, I mean

891
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: I remember even him. He came out of South Carolina,

892
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: didn't he It wasn't. I'm pretty sure he's a South

893
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: Carolina guy. And I remember even in the draft process

894
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: with him, like one of the things was, you know,

895
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: what is there a given damn level? And I just

896
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: I just remember kind of thinking to myself, Um, well

897
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: that was probably just because he played at South Carolina,

898
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, and what he's been, what he's been in

899
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: the league has been not that at all. He's been

900
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: superb in the league. It doesn't feel like the perfect marriage, though,

901
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: is him there? It feels like it's flawless now, as

902
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: I acknowledged, I did not realize he was as good

903
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: as a straight receiver last year as he was. I

904
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: did not. I did not have that. I would not

905
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: have had that he was that effective. So, um, I

906
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: mean you think of landing spots. I mean I initially

907
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: think of the Packers right away as a landing spot

908
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: for him, and they got two ones. Oh god, no

909
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: more in the a f C. I don't want him

910
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: there that's got the flour there who they know the

911
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: system Salo knows him. But then you have to do

912
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: do the Kyler deal. They like Zeck Wilson. They're not

913
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: done on They're not they're not out on ze that.

914
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: To me, it seems we don't need anymore else. Anybody

915
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: else good in the a f C. Bad. It's fine.

916
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: I worry about it. Um. This one got some a

917
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: little bit of momentum last night, the Raiders having a

918
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: conversation with the Packers about Darren Waller. Oh. I believe

919
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: we may have heard these many months ago. And there

920
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: was a report which I saw yesterday and said the

921
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: original Davante Adams trade was twenty two and Waller for

922
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, and that the league this is the way

923
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: the report warded it, which I haven't seen anybody major

924
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: run with that. But was that that the league kai

925
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: bosh to the deal? Which why? How? Under what pretense? Well?

926
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: That happened? You remember this? I mean, the only thing

927
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: I can remember the league kai boshing a deal was

928
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: the Chris Paul Lakers deal. You remember this when the

929
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: when the league said no, we can't too not fair?

930
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: Wait what everybody agreed to it. What do you mean

931
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't It was a three team deal and Paul

932
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: was going to the Lakers and it was uh, it

933
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: was done. Now. They ended up getting Pau Gasol in

934
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: another deal anyway, and and Brian was a big part

935
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: of the success. But that was that was part of

936
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: the deal that was all set up. So that was Yeah.

937
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: I was shocked at that. When when you hear that

938
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: they would put the kaibosh on that deal, Um Waller

939
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: to the Packers, Derek Carr says, no chance that's happening.

940
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: Who knows? Crazy thing? Do you think we're gonna get

941
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: one between now and the draft? A big deal? Remember

942
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 1: last year on the draft, like all of a sudden,

943
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: we became Aaron Rodgers wants wants out. That was the

944
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: night before I do feel like again. I said something

945
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: yes yesterday on the draft preview show with Mo Pedman's

946
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: cousin that blew his mind when I said, I just

947
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: feel like the Eagles are gonna try. I said, I

948
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: don't think anything. Maybe nothing happens, but they're gonna try

949
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: for Kyler and I think they're gonna try for Lamar Jackson.

950
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: And he just like, yeah, I think that's in play.

951
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you. They're set up for it.

952
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: They got all the picks, they got the roster, the

953
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: NFC's wide open. Why would you open go for it? Sure? Uh?

954
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: From down in Cincinnati, Ti Higgins will miss the Bengals

955
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: entire offseason. UM. Also this from the Bengals Zach Taylor.

956
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 1: UM knew the Bengals weren't starting their off season program

957
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: until May second. Taylor announced there would be no mandatory

958
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: minicamp in June. Good idea or bad. He knows his

959
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: team whatever. He knows his team. They know who they are.

960
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna work in some offensive lineman. I just feel

961
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: like it's a new year, like you gotta put that

962
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: season to bed and start. At what point are you

963
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: gonna start? With you? But does anybody's season come down

964
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: to three days? And maybe it does. Maybe there's something

965
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: that you put in that day that sticks. And I

966
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: just think it's always good by the way, like when

967
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: you can't get tackled or whatever. I would have to

968
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: think football practice is kind of fun. Would enjoy it.

969
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: The only thing I could think is that they ran

970
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: it up the flag pole with Burrow and Burrows, Like yeah,

971
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: we're good, like I don't need anymore. Like I'm good.

972
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he Burrow lives in Cincinnati year round, so

973
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: it's not like you know he's there. He's at the

974
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: facility from from rider stand down there, he's at Silly

975
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: all the time. So you know he's the most important one. Yeah,

976
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: I just I like, I enjoy a good a good

977
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: mini camp. Well especially for us for our purposes, I

978
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: really enjoy a mini camp. Um. This from Pittsburgh general

979
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: manager Kevin Colbert expressed a willingness to move up or

980
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: down the draft board in getting his team would calculate

981
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: the value of every spot in the draft, but also

982
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: mentioned to Pacific spots will gues estimate what it will

983
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: cost to move from twenty to seven and go back

984
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: down from twenty to thirty two. The Giants pick seven

985
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: and have been rubered or wanting to trade back. I

986
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: think he's speaking in generalities. That's then everybody says, then

987
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: we just listen to Look. I just talked to day

988
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: Andrew Berry. We played it on the program, and they

989
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: went through all of their simulations yesterday, all the different

990
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: scenarios that they think could unfold. Um, And I thought

991
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: the one thing I loved about that any Berry interview.

992
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: That was something that was new for me was that

993
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: they take He said there is either a call in

994
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: or a call out at basically every time you pick

995
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: in the first three or four rounds, which I thought

996
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: was very interesting that there's always at least a discussion

997
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: and doesn't necessarily lead to anything, but always at least

998
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: some type of a discussion that through those first you know,

999
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: three or four rounds in the draft, about every pick,

1000
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: so every team's doing they're like, that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,

1001
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: that's I think. Yeah, that's that's why we all love it, right,

1002
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: is the possibilities of it. I think I have very

1003
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: little juice for this draft from the standpoint of we

1004
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: don't pick till forty four. Do you know Michael Mike

1005
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Silver said no. What he saying said that this draft

1006
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: because it's the most boring draft ever. Everybody who covers

1007
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: it knows it. It's like he called it presidential election

1008
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: of drafts. Well, the one with Eric Fisher and Luke

1009
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: Jacole at the top. That's not great. No, that's not great.

1010
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: That's a bad draft. Like DeAndre Hopkins is in that draft.

1011
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: Matthew and Kelsey are in that draft. But they're like,

1012
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: in the third round, the first rounds a disaster, and

1013
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: don't even talk to me about the Honey Badgers. Honey

1014
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: Badger was taken if I'm not mistaken, and I don't

1015
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: believe Kelsey was taken with the first pick in the

1016
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: third round of memory serves the Badgers in the third round.

1017
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Hopkins is like, so here are the pro bowlers from

1018
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: the first round. Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson Lane Johnson's problem

1019
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: Ziggynsa had a couple of good years with Detroit. Sheldon Richardson,

1020
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Eric Read the safety, Kyle Long, Tyler Eiffort, Desmon Truefon

1021
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: had a couple of good years of corner Xavier Roads

1022
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, DeAndre Hopkins, Cordill Patterson nine at Travis Frederick

1023
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: thirty one. You had Zach Ertz in the second round,

1024
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: Darius Slay and Secon round was actually a pretty good pick,

1025
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: levy On Bells in the second round that draft, Jamie

1026
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Collins and then you're right, first pick of the third round,

1027
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, Eddie Lacy so pick number sixty nine, third

1028
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: round pick number sixty nine. The Honey Badger listed as

1029
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: a cornerback out of l s U pick number sixty

1030
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: eight made by the Cleveland Browns. Do you have any recollection, Gibbe?

1031
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: Would I feel like Gibbe, I expect you to do

1032
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: the pick right before the honey Badge are made by

1033
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: the Browns. Cornerback. We picked at pick sixty eight out

1034
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: of San Diego State. I remember that year we traded

1035
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: with the Steeler. We traded picks, and everybody lost their

1036
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: mind on day three, like, how do you trade with

1037
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: the Steelers? Good distraction with the Steeler who wasn't Leon

1038
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: McFadden corner and we can understand the badger and we

1039
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: could just picked any badger who literally was the very

1040
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: next pick. This actually there was some There were some

1041
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: gems in your third round tearing arms statutes not to

1042
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: be second and third rounds were actually better with the

1043
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: exception of Hopkins, Like there's some nice players in the

1044
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: first but largely not and Allen David Bakti in the

1045
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: fourth round for green Bay to get back tr in

1046
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: the fourth round. J. C. Treader also in the fourth

1047
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: round that same draft. They never really knew what to

1048
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: do with them. That was Micah Hyde in the fifth

1049
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: round also green Bank. Pretty good, pretty good draft. That was.

1050
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: That was Rob Chatzinski and Joe Banner. Yeah. Yeah, so

1051
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: that was our first part. That was my first year

1052
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: doing the radio network and we had just gotten the rights.

1053
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: We did the draft show. We're on site. We were

1054
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: in the field the house because the building was on

1055
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: a renovation, so the media availability and everything was in

1056
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: the field house. Well, it got to the point on

1057
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Speaker 1: day three like there was nothing going on, like Gerard's

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Speaker 1: running routes were throwing footballs around the media. I can't

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Speaker 1: remember who it was. A couple of media members went

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Speaker 1: and like got their pitching wedges and were on their

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Speaker 1: way out to the practice. Oh god, And as the

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Speaker 1: one is getting ready to swing, like you just hear

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Speaker 1: like security comes with the grounds crew, Like what the

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Speaker 1: We were not animals by that well by that point,

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Speaker 1: so you're lucky these be those guys are lucky Frame

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Speaker 1: didn't take them out. That's not I that would have

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Speaker 1: been because Frame came in with pet. I want to say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there would have been eyes on at all times. But

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Speaker 1: I can tell you, like those trumpery like the people

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Speaker 1: that are here now we're not there. Then from like

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Speaker 1: a pr from like we were running amuck in the building,

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Speaker 1: like we were grabbing weights, like people were living So normally,

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Speaker 1: normally you come down like the on day three, it's

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Speaker 1: the longest day, playing and simple. It's the worst day.

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Speaker 1: It's the longest day if you're covering it because you're

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Speaker 1: short on sleep. Everything along those lines. They come down

1078
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Speaker 1: to talk normally at like six o'clock. They waited until

1079
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Speaker 1: they had contacted all their undrafted free agents. They came

1080
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Speaker 1: down to ten pm. I mean, there was nothing to do.

1081
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: There was no air conditioning. It was it was a

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Speaker 1: hot april. You were just sweating profusely. It was. It

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Speaker 1: for more on that. CBS Sports is Jason locking Forth

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Speaker 1: the best prop bets for this year's NFL draft. Gibby

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00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: wants to know what side we're taking. I suppose we

1109
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: should pull it up. I think that would be helpful. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1110
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Speaker 1: we want you too. I want you to I want

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00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: the more the better, bab I feel like that's a

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00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: big not truthful sincere offensive lineman taken in the first

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: round over under seven and a half under under what

1114
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: does he say? I mean seven is a lot. There's

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00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: generally a late first round run on lineman teams see

1116
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: immediate long term value. How many teams don't have any? Oh?

1117
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I need it's rampant first. If three go in the

1118
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: first seven picks or so, and another run on tackle

1119
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: starts in the teens. I see another one in the

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: twenties as well. That gets this number to eight. HM.

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00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: Just with all the wide receivers, and I mean I

1122
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: just said, we're gonna run out of picks. A lot

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: of the mocks I've seen lately. He has even linder

1124
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: bomb going in the second round. So under yep, same

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Speaker 1: uh Evan neil to go third over all to the Texans,

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00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: it was like a plus four fifty. So are the

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00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: who's that guy? McClain? Yes, so he said, if Hutchinson

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Speaker 1: or or was it Walker Thibodeau, If Hutchinson and Walker

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00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: don't go first or second, the Texans will print to

1130
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: put the other one in a third overall and everybody

1131
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: thinks they are going to go one too. Is that

1132
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of where we're at now, especially if Walker goes one.

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Speaker 1: Who is now the betting favorite that Hutchinson's gonna the Lions.

1134
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: They'll kill that, yes, and then three would be yeah,

1135
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: I'll take that one, let's do it. Yeah, he's got

1136
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: Evan Neil, I'll go the over. I think it's just

1137
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: will he be picked third plus four fifty? So you're saying, no,

1138
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: he will not be that's correct, that's correct. Quarterbacks taken

1139
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: in the first round over under three? Push can't push,

1140
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: give me an overall and they gotta put a three

1141
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: point five on this. Then I think Willis, Piket and

1142
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: corral go in the first round. Yeah. The only other

1143
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: one who would be in the mix would probably be

1144
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: the kid out of Carolina, not the kid from since

1145
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: maybe Ritter I could see him. Lam Howell's the other one.

1146
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: I'd like this number to be two and a half.

1147
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: But who's gonna be all right, So let's say that

1148
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: this play is let's say that it's that it's more

1149
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: than let's say it's I'd like it to be two

1150
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: and a half as well. It feels like Caroline at

1151
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: six is in play, Pittsburgh at twenty, and then where's

1152
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Speaker 1: who's the third. Who's the third? Who else comes into

1153
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: the mix? Somebody Washington or something like, who's coming in

1154
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: that needs moves back into the end of the first round.

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01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: It's always easy to get back in the end of

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Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, I'm just wondering, like, what team

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Speaker 1: would be one that would want to poke around on

1158
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Speaker 1: a quarterback and give up a future one like next year?

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01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: What if Tampa like somebody? I think, if you got

1160
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: one year with Brady, you do every accentuate for Brady

1161
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Speaker 1: like Detroit. Yeah, that's not that's a that's not a

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Speaker 1: bad thought. That could be the third I would I

1163
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't imagine, you know, I don't know

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01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: that they'd love any of these guys. I'm going to

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: turn these into factor fictions instead of plus or minuses.

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Speaker 1: Factor fiction. Can he pick it to the Panthers at six? Fiction? Fiction? Malik,

1167
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:22,959
Speaker 1: where are the odds on that? Plus one? That's it? Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's I would have thought that'd be like plus a thousand.

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that seems yeah, okay, Malik willis to the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Factor fiction. There's another team to take a quarterback? Fiction?

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: What the heck? There are no consequences? Fact? I mean

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01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: there are there are no constant we won't even revisit that.

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01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: By the way, I'd like some plus four fifty. Yeah,

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01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: so they feel like that's a long time. They really

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: feel like pick it to the Carolina at six. That's

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Speaker 1: such a specific right, you feel like you'd be getting

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Speaker 1: a lot longer odds for that. Not uh. Factor fiction, Saints,

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Speaker 1: you use a first pick on a wide receiver to

1179
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: this is plus two eighty. They have two ones. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people have one of the highest state kids

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Speaker 1: going there, a la or I think Wilson will be

1182
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: gone by the time they pick. I'll say, fact, they'll

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Speaker 1: take a receiver. Say, isn't a great look when you

1184
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: get it? Very satisfying? Yeah? Uh. Eagles use the first

1185
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: pick on a linebacker. Factor fiction zero percent. Can't imagine it.

1186
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: What the odds on that? Plus seven fifty Yeah, no way,

1187
01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: absolutely not uh. And then Charles frosts fifth overall pick

1188
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: to the Giants factor fiction offensive lineman. I'm assuming Charles

1189
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: cross to what team the Giants see. This is why

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Speaker 1: this is a tough draft. This is why Michael Silver

1191
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: said what he said. It's just here's let me here's

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Speaker 1: a factor fiction. It's believable that the guy we get

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Speaker 1: at forty four, especially, I think if it's a defensive end,

1194
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: is every bit is the guy you would have got

1195
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Speaker 1: at thirteen. I think that's fair, that's fair. It's in play, right, Like,

1196
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a bit. It feels like there's

1197
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: no game wreckers, agreed receiver, there's after those five or six,

1198
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: then there's a bit of a drop. But it does

1199
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: feel like there's no real game changing wrecker at defensive end.

1200
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: There's no Miles, there's no Boasts, so there's no young

1201
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: so there's not this huge drop off. And for sure,

1202
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Speaker 1: as Hutchinson better than I mean, let's just say it's

1203
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: a jabo on a red shirt. Are we for sure? No,

1204
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's not there. And I realized there

1205
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: are no certainties in anything with the draft. But it

1206
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: does feel like this isn't that big of a drop,

1207
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Speaker 1: especially if it's defensive end. Um, all right, here we

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Speaker 1: go team to draft Kenny Pickett in the draft Panthers, Saints, Steelers, Seahawks,

1209
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: or Falcons, and I'll give your eyes Steelers their plus

1210
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: three fift That pit locker room is basically in it's

1211
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: it is right there. I mean, they've got their own

1212
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: locker room. That would be kind of a wild thing

1213
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: to continue his career. People are making such a big

1214
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: deal about his hands. I don't know, what do you

1215
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: think Carney hands smell like cabbage? I don't know. I

1216
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: don't know about the hand thing. I it would It's

1217
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: interesting because they you know, they passed on Marino pitt

1218
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: guy could have had him, could have drafted him, didn't. Um,

1219
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: this ain't that. But I do wonder if they talk

1220
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: themselves into it, especially in a division where when you're

1221
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: talking about Lamar, Joe and Sean, if you don't have

1222
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you don't have anything that's right. You gotta

1223
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: get one. You gotta get one. By the way, Panthers

1224
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: GM Scott Fitterer says there are a couple of quarterbacks

1225
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: he would feel comfortable taking at number six. He also

1226
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: noted there are three or four teams he's heard from

1227
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: that are serious about trading up to six. They would

1228
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: love to get more picks and trade back if there

1229
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: must have prospects are gone flying. That sounds like please

1230
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: call me, baby's begging. Uh. First quarterbacks selected in the draft,

1231
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett Malik Willis. Willis is minus

1232
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: one fifty pick it plus one Kenny Picket. But you

1233
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: just have a plus. Wait a second, you can get

1234
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: better odds on having Kenny Pickett be the first quarterback taken,

1235
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: then you can get on nailing that he goes six

1236
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: to Carolina. Yeah. Yeah, it didn't make a whole lot

1237
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: of sense to me. Something feels um this is the

1238
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. Cavon Thibodeaux clearly a hot

1239
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: button UH player going into the draft from Oregon. Why

1240
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: is he? I don't know. I mean he didn't play

1241
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: Tibodeau and playing the Ohio State game, he was, he was,

1242
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 1: he was precautionary, he was out, but he has been.

1243
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I'll say about Thibodeaux. He has been

1244
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: from the time you want to look you wanna be

1245
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: the Miles guy, it's probably Thibodeau. The Tibodeaux has been.

1246
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: Was the number one player in high school. Coming out

1247
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: of high school. He was great at Oregon. He played

1248
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of clowney to it too, like very

1249
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: conservative coming back from injury in the draft eligible year,

1250
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: had kind of proven everything you need to be proven

1251
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: game record when he plays like to me, he's is

1252
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: he like? It feels like I feel like he should

1253
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: be the number one pick, so do I. I don't

1254
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: know why people are worried about it. He was, he

1255
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: was if you go back to a year ago, he

1256
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: was probably the number one guy on most people's boards.

1257
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: Of course, Spencer Aratler was in the first round, and

1258
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: a lot of those two end up very high. But

1259
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: to me, like, he's from a we identified early and

1260
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: we're better at this and we've ever been when it

1261
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: comes to prospects. You see this in college recruiting all

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Speaker 1: the time. We're better than we've ever been at identifying

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Speaker 1: talent young. He's got it. Yeah, he's got it, man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're worried about something between the

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Speaker 1: years or whatever. The anyways, the over under draft position

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Speaker 1: five and a half. I think he'll go I think under.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll go over. I think he'll go like.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna probably go between six and ten.

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Speaker 1: He should go earlier. I think he's gonna go over.

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Speaker 1: He will not be drafted in the tops five, even

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Speaker 1: though we should. Here's what Dane said. Not a fluid

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Speaker 1: mover as impact runs hot and cold, but he understands

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Speaker 1: how to create leverage as of pass rush with his length, flexibility,

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Speaker 1: and hand strength. Draws comparisons to Jenevian Clowney with the

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Speaker 1: NFL teams and as it developed, it has the talent

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Speaker 1: to develop into a high end starter if he stays committed.

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Speaker 1: Packed and freshman Defensive Player of the Year, Unanimous All

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Speaker 1: American for Steam Pac ten All Pack ten. I mean

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Speaker 1: pretty good. What did five star recruit? So maybe I

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Speaker 1: could be just doing Dane because I just did all that.

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Speaker 1: He was the number two recruiting two thousand and nineteen,

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Speaker 1: behind only Nolan Smith. Where's Nolan Smith? Now? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I went to Georgia, I remember, I remember it being

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Speaker 1: Thibodeau one. But it depends on what dranking you Alright,

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Speaker 1: real final five of Alabama, Florida State, ELI, Se, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: and USC and committed to Mario Cristobal on the Ducks

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Speaker 1: because of a desire to stay at defensive end. School's

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Speaker 1: understanding of his interests outside of football. M there you go.

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Speaker 1: Look at the base. Jamison Williams over under fourteen and

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Speaker 1: a half. She's under He's my first receiver taken. Wow,

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Speaker 1: bold move Cotton there aren't even odds right now being

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Speaker 1: the first one he is going to be. Wilson was

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Speaker 1: plus one ten Drake London plus two Hunter James Oh

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Speaker 1: Jamison plus two fifty book him Dano. People really like

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Speaker 1: that speed, baby, you know what they say? I got

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Speaker 1: the need total first round wide receivers over under six

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Speaker 1: and a half, and then we got a who's this

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Speaker 1: total first round wide receivers selected the over under six

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Speaker 1: and a half over over Tommy clack Oh, Mr tom Bomb.

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Speaker 1: Tweet of the day. The more I hear you guys

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Speaker 1: talk about this feels like the eggs salad of drafts.

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Speaker 1: Nailed it, nailed it, nailed it the meat Clean. Are

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Speaker 1: the hotline for it was their good buddy, Dane Brewer,

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Speaker 1: the athletic, the author of the beast with which z

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Speaker 1: through on the table and nearly broke. Uh. Dane, thanks

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Speaker 1: for the time, buddy. What from your vantage point? Now

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Speaker 1: as we sit here on a Tuesday, Um, where are

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Speaker 1: you with this? Is there a part of it where

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Speaker 1: you're like, boy, I hope they don't screw this up?

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Speaker 1: What what intrigues you now? Forty eight hours out? I'm

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Speaker 1: just let's let's let's get picking, you know, let's see

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Speaker 1: the things. It's. Um, there's gonna be a lot of noise.

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Speaker 1: There has been a lot of noise this week and

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Speaker 1: there will continue to be a lot of noise this

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Speaker 1: week in terms of what these teams are gonna do

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Speaker 1: and it starts at number one. Uh, you know, there

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Speaker 1: seems to be a split in the building in Jacksonville. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The coaches want Ikya Kwanu, the scouts want Aiden Hutchinson,

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Speaker 1: the GM wants Travon Walker and all the upside that

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Speaker 1: comes with him. So what's going to happen at one?

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Speaker 1: And then the ripple effect of how that affects the

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Speaker 1: picks right after that? It's it's really going to be interesting,

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Speaker 1: and there's certain pivot points where we just don't know.

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Speaker 1: Houston at three is a wild card, Atlanta at eight,

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Speaker 1: Seattle at nine. UM, I mean I'm talking to teams

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Speaker 1: and the teams and they have no idea how to

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Speaker 1: even you know that they've got so many different scenarios

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Speaker 1: that could happen in the top ten because even you know,

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Speaker 1: they just talking to you know, their buddies in the league,

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Speaker 1: they have no idea how the top ten is gonna

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Speaker 1: play out. So it's gonna be a lot of fun. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, mock drafts are going to be very very wrong.

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Speaker 1: And that's okay because if that means we had a

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Speaker 1: fun first round with some surprising picks then and then

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Speaker 1: I'm here for that. Is that because there just isn't

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Speaker 1: that dude in this draft that that there is that

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Speaker 1: much confusion about what's going to happen, how it could happen,

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Speaker 1: how it's gonna go down. And obviously no quarterbacks, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean in terms of top top flight quarterbacks. I

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Speaker 1: think the way that I've been explaining it, try and

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Speaker 1: try to explain it the best is we're missing those

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Speaker 1: tent poles that hold everything up. You know, we're missing

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Speaker 1: those quarterbacks. Last year, we knew quarterbacks are going one

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Speaker 1: to three. We knew justin Fields somewhere in the top twelve.

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Speaker 1: We knew Mac Jones somewhere mid first round. And then

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Speaker 1: but even beyond that, we knew that there's a good

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Speaker 1: chance Kyle Pitts is going forward Atlanta. We knew there

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Speaker 1: was a good chance that for the Bengals it was

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Speaker 1: either the wide receiver or the tackle um and the

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Speaker 1: if the wide receiver went five, then we knew the

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Speaker 1: tackle was going to go to the Lions probably two

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Speaker 1: picks later. So we had a good feeling for you know,

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote blue Chippers and the the elite guys.

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Speaker 1: This year, we just don't have those those caliber of players.

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Speaker 1: But while that that upper class of players is pretty thin.

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Speaker 1: That middle class is just you know, it's so deep

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Speaker 1: with talent. And I'm talking about that you know, most

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Speaker 1: of the first round, second round, third round, maybe even

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that fourth round. Um, that's where

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Speaker 1: that's where the strength is drafted. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: we say that a lot, you know, every year, but

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Speaker 1: it's especially true this year because what we don't have

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Speaker 1: in the high end talent in at the top, we

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Speaker 1: make up for with the depth on Day two especially.

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Speaker 1: So this is just one of those years where it's

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Speaker 1: it's not a great year to be picking in the

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Speaker 1: top ten relative to other years. And Dan, I think

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Speaker 1: the other thing that contributes to this is we have

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Speaker 1: so many teams with multiple picks. There's so many teams

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Speaker 1: that are out of the first round altogether. So it

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Speaker 1: does feel like it's almost like this is a private party.

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Speaker 1: You know, eight teams have half of the first round, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so that that that just makes it even

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Speaker 1: I think that takes some of the I think your

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Speaker 1: point is well made in the correct one, and that

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Speaker 1: the middle class in this draft, the upper middle class

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Speaker 1: this draft is really big and really good. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, we'll get to how that benefits us at

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Speaker 1: forty four. But I think of the intrigue of the

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Speaker 1: first everything you're talking about with the ten poles, but

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Speaker 1: then also how eight of the teams have half the picks.

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Speaker 1: That's where you lose a little bit of that, right.

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Speaker 1: And are we going to see trades? You know? With

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Speaker 1: with with these multiple first round picks, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams that want to trade back and

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Speaker 1: pick up extra picks. You know, Carolina they pick at

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Speaker 1: six and then they don't pick again until the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: so Carolina is desperately trying to get out of there. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we have several teams that are looking

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Speaker 1: to do that. It's just will will these teams look

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Speaker 1: the package picks, the trade up. I just don't know

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Speaker 1: that we're We're gonna have a way more teams looking

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Speaker 1: to trade back than we are teams looking to trade up.

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Speaker 1: It's good, It's going to be tough in that respect. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you know, you look at the team like the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: they have two picks in the first to pick in

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Speaker 1: the second, two picks in the third, two picks in

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Speaker 1: the fourth. No way the Chiefs are picking eight players

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Speaker 1: in the first four round. It's not happening. So where

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Speaker 1: do the Chiefs could do the Chiefs look to move

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Speaker 1: up in the first round the second round? Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: paying attention to some of these runs at certain positions

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Speaker 1: like wide receiver. We're gonna see wide receiver run at

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Speaker 1: some point in the first round. And does that spur

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Speaker 1: some action from some teams that are really looking to

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Speaker 1: get that receiver where they move up even if it's

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Speaker 1: five six spots, just to make sure they get their guy.

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Speaker 1: And that Now that brings us to the second round

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Speaker 1: and the Browns forty four. They're going to be in

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Speaker 1: a unique position where they don't pick in the first

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Speaker 1: forty picks, but they also have those two thirds and

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Speaker 1: so if they want to move up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have They're gonna be able to in this draft.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like there's still gonna be good players

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Speaker 1: there and in the in the late thirties. But is

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Speaker 1: there the right player that will cause the Browns to

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Speaker 1: want to move up and get their guy. That's what's

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Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating. I think from the brown standpoint is,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've never seen Andrew Berry pick at the

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Speaker 1: assigned spot in the second round, and he's gotten two

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Speaker 1: first round talents and in Grant Elpin, Jeremiah Woso Cormo

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Speaker 1: and how that ends up playing out. And we've talked

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Speaker 1: I think at NAWS even we've got the great draft

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Speaker 1: on tap series that I'd urge you to check out

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Speaker 1: at the Brown's YouTube channel on the Brown's mobile at

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01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: myself and Dane really breaking down the position groups that

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Speaker 1: are most likely to be target at forty four uh

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Speaker 1: and then into the third round as well, with those

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Speaker 1: two third round picks that the Browns have at seventy

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Speaker 1: eight and ninety nine. So, Dan, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: just kind of more about what you're hearing trends, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of thought and I'm reading a lot

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Speaker 1: about this, and I'm sure you're hearing a lot about this.

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Speaker 1: That people a lot of teams only a fifteen or

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Speaker 1: sixteen first round grades and so that the back half

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Speaker 1: of the first round is kind of wide open in

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Speaker 1: terms of how each team values guys. And there may

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Speaker 1: be guys that we've been talking about his second and

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Speaker 1: third rounders who go in the first round, and guys

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Speaker 1: that we've talked about his first rounders may go in

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Speaker 1: the second and third. What do you kind of make

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Speaker 1: of of that notion? And and are there are some

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Speaker 1: names you're hearing that are risers? And one that caught

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Speaker 1: my attention that I keep reading about his Logan Hall,

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Speaker 1: who you've had to the Browns at forty four and

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Speaker 1: now it sounds like he might not be there, the

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Speaker 1: young man out of Houston. Yeah, no, And there's a

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Speaker 1: good chance. I'm a big fan of Logan Hall. He's

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Speaker 1: I think on my on my top one hundred, he's

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Speaker 1: like thirty six or something like that. So you know

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Speaker 1: that that early second round range is where I have him,

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Speaker 1: but would not be surprised at all if he goes

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Speaker 1: in the first UM And in a draft like this,

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Speaker 1: most years teams have eighteen two first rounders in most drafts.

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01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: This year might be a little bit less than that

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01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: for for some teams. But yeah, we're gonna see a

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of players, and there's gonna be

1473
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: some surprises. It's going to happen where a team maybe

1474
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: as a second round player that uh, most teams have

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01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 1: a third round grade on UM and so there's there's

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01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: just gonna be some surprises that we haven't seen in

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: a lot of first round mocks um, And that's really

1478
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: gonna make it fun because it's gonna shake things up.

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, if if Quay Walker, the linebacker from George's

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: the first linebacker off the board, no one should be surprised. Like,

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01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's something that is I have heard. You know,

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01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: if he goes to twenty one of the Patriots, that's

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01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 1: very very possible that that could happen. Uh. You know,

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01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: like I think, you know, George Karloftis, he has more

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01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: second round grades than first round grades out there, and

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: so I still think he's going first round because he

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01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: plays the right position and you just you it's easy

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01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: to appreciate his ability as a pass rusher, the power

1489
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: at contact, that the hand, the motor doesn't quit. Um.

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01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: But it's a lot of teams, you know, they kind

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01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: of think he is what he is. He's just not

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01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: going to be that. It doesn't offer a ton of

1493
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: upside with with Karloftis, and so there's at least a

1494
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: chance he could flip to maybe the second round. So yeah,

1495
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: I think that boards from team to team are wildly

1496
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: different and we're going to see that play out on

1497
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: Draft weekend, both Thursday and Friday night. Dan at forty four,

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01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: Nathan and I feel, you know, pretty strongly. Receiver defensive

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01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: end are two positions of need that this team needs

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01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: that they would identify would want at forty four. If

1501
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: there is a run on both, which position group are

1502
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: you getting the best value at forty four? In other words,

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01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: who still has really good at forty four? Which one

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01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: is better? Receiver or d nd UM. I think that's probably, uh,

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01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: you could make a case for both. I mean, I

1506
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: think it just depends on who's off the board at

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01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: that point, who's still available. UM. I do think that

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01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 1: it would be easier because edge rusher is so deep

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01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: this year, it would be easier to wait on that

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: position because you feel good about who's still going to

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01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: be there in the third Um. But it also depends on,

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01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, because you're not free. If the Browns are

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01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: trading up, you know, moving up a few spots, they're

1514
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: not gonna do it just for any receiver or any

1515
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: pass rusher. They're gonna do it for a specific player.

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01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: So whether that's uh, you know, a George Pickens or

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01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: a sky More, uh, you know, whoever, whoever that that

1518
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: could be Uh, it depends on that players still be

1519
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: in there. And you know, George Pickens is a tough

1520
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: evaluation because there are there are the character concerns, the

1521
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: just it's the immaturity with him. Um, he's a young

1522
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: player and that's something that used to worry about. Uh,

1523
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: he's coming off an a c L injury, so you

1524
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: know there are red flags. There's there's a reason to

1525
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: George Pickens is still available. Uh, probably still available early

1526
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: second round and was not a first round pick. So

1527
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, for the Browns, it's important that they are

1528
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: a percent comfortable with these guys if they're going to

1529
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: make a move or even if they sit at forty

1530
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: four and are able to get their guy there. So

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01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: I think more so than the position, that just depends

1532
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: on who's available. But I do agree with you guys.

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01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: I think edge rusher, wide receiver that makes the most sense. Uh.

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01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: This is a team that believes in you know, cornerstone

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01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: positions and wide receiver and edge rusher are both apply

1536
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: and with using their first pick, using a top fifty pick,

1537
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: they want to come away with an impact player, and

1538
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance they could find one

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01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: at either one of those two positions this year. I

1540
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about Pickens just for a second,

1541
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: because is he's the one that it feels like you're

1542
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: kind of right, you know, first round talent, but here

1543
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: we are talking about a guy who's only twenty one

1544
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: is in the Segon round. Yes he's coming off, but

1545
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you could make a j Green comparisons.

1546
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: You could say this guy's got the size, the speed,

1547
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: all of that dominated in college when you hear all

1548
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: of these red flags all of a sudden, that kind

1549
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: of come out now where you've got, you know, uh

1550
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: from Bruce Feldman in the Athletic and your colleague there

1551
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: at the Athletic wrote about Pickens and he had three

1552
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: people chime in. One was a scout he said, a

1553
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: lot of upside, can't get out of his own way.

1554
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: Then a wide receiver coach, you know there's issues. He

1555
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: can do everything, but I wouldn't touch him because you know,

1556
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: basically of these issues. Another one top five receiver on tape,

1557
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 1: so many red flags, a lot of growing up to do.

1558
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: Is this stuff well known, well documented, which is why

1559
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: he was always slated in the second round? Or is

1560
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: this some is this some of it this time of

1561
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: the year. Hey, let's get this out there because we

1562
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 1: really want Pickens, because he has the chance to be

1563
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: an actual stud in this draft, and so let's get

1564
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 1: some bad stuff out there that you know, is directionally correct,

1565
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: so that maybe he falls a little more. No, it's

1566
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: definitely something that's been talked about, um, and it's something

1567
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: that has followed him, you know, since his freshman year.

1568
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: Even it's as silly as trading punches with a player

1569
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: on the field during the game or um, you know,

1570
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: he was flagged uh last season as a sophomore for

1571
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: h spring Water on a Tennessee player near the sideline

1572
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of a game. Like it's just these

1573
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: little things that uh, you know, could lead to big

1574
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: things that you just you have to be comfortable with

1575
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: the player and so um. I it's funny when you

1576
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: know in my report on George Pickens, um, you know

1577
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: the weaknesses. I think there's like seven lines and the

1578
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: last three lines are all uh, you know, injury or

1579
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: character related. I mean that that's the big thing with

1580
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: with him, and that's why he's I think forty seven

1581
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: on my board and not higher. Is there's he's not

1582
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: a clean prospect and that doesn't mean that he's, you know,

1583
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: how gonna turn out to be an outstanding player. He

1584
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: absolutely could. Um, you know, I'm glad. Um. You know,

1585
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: my current employer doesn't judge me on some of the

1586
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: poor decisions I made when I was twenty years old,

1587
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure that goes for all of us. So, uh,

1588
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where you do your

1589
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: due diligence, You find out more about the person, make

1590
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: sure you're comfortable bring him into your facility. Um, because

1591
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: that's where the Browns are they're fishing right now. Is

1592
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: that that early to mid second round, and so that's

1593
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: that's part of the pool that will be available for them.

1594
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,560
Speaker 1: Is a guy that maybe has first round ability, but

1595
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a reason he's gonna still be available at

1596
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: that point. So, um, it's not late info. This has

1597
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: been well known and something that I think teams, especially

1598
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: a team like the Browns with where they're picking, they've

1599
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: done plenty of research and homework just to figure out

1600
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 1: if he's going to be a fit. Dan you have

1601
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: you've you've nailed us the last few years in terms

1602
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: of what we've been doing the draft. That's right, you've them.

1603
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: You made a lot of them. I know he did.

1604
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: I hate even put you on the spot at um,

1605
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 1: so so give me. I'll give you a couple as

1606
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: opposed to one. Specifically, give me four or five names

1607
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: that that you feel like, I feel like the perfect

1608
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: fit at forty four. Yeah, you know it's tough obviously,

1609
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: not not pickings up forty four, not knowing how those

1610
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: uh picks are gonna come off the board. Um, and

1611
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: you know to uh to your point to about uh

1612
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: Andrew Burry not staying at that pick. Uh. You know

1613
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: he moved around that, so there's a good chance he

1614
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 1: does that again. UM. I still think I think there's

1615
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: a good chance Logan Hall it doesn't go first round.

1616
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: I know the Bengals at thirty one have done a

1617
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 1: ton of work on him that that's a possible landing spot,

1618
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: so he might be in the division. I still want

1619
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: to mention him just because if he does fall to

1620
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: the second round, maybe that is a guy who go

1621
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,879
Speaker 1: up and get six six two eighty, a ton of ability,

1622
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: A good kid. He's on he's on the upward trajectory. Um.

1623
01:24:55,439 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: Drake Jackson's in USC six three to seventy has a loose,

1624
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: uh loose athleticism, he has body control, he can win

1625
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 1: as pass rusher, can hold up as a run a

1626
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: run defender. There's just a lot to like with Drake Jackson.

1627
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he's not getting a little bit more love,

1628
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: but I think he fits a lot of what the

1629
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: this team would look for. Um. So, those are the

1630
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: two edge rushers that I think kind of fit the mold.

1631
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: And then if they do go offense at wide receiver,

1632
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: I still think that George Pickens will be in the mix.

1633
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: And there's we have no way of knowing just how

1634
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 1: the Browns come down on him with uh, just how

1635
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: how he will be a fit with the coaches and

1636
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: in the community and all that, But I do think that, uh,

1637
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: he's very much on the short list. Um And you

1638
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: know I would throw a sky More in there as

1639
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: well from Western Michigan. Uh. You know, a younger player

1640
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have a side I think they want, but speed,

1641
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: yak skills, reflexes. I mean, he's kind of a in

1642
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: some ways a supercharged Jervis Landry with with how he plays. Um. So,

1643
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: I think that those two receivers, those two edge rush

1644
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a decent chance it could be one

1645
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: of those four players you project sky more at this

1646
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: level to operate from the inside as opposed to the outside.

1647
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: I think he's inside outside. I there's nothing on tape

1648
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: that tells me he can't play outside. Now, I think

1649
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: he could really be a weapon inside. Uh, you know,

1650
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: with a lot of that that short game, the catch

1651
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: and go, you know, quick slants. You know, just give

1652
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: him the middle of the field to be his playground

1653
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: and let him create. But you know, he has the

1654
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: release package where he can get off press on the outside.

1655
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: He can win down the field. He has that speed.

1656
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 1: So even though he is a little underside, he's five

1657
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: just under five ten um just under two under pounds,

1658
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: so not ideal to which one on the outside, but

1659
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: huge hands. He can go up and win the football. Um.

1660
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not just gonna say he's Steve Smith

1661
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: on the outside, but he could be that stylistically, that

1662
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: type of player if you want to line him up

1663
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: as a more traditional outside receiver. You're the best, buddy. Yeah,

1664
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: thank you for your time and your expertise. And we're

1665
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: almost there, guys, looking forward to it. Yes, almost. The

1666
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 1: great Dane Burgler in the Athletic. His draft guide to

1667
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: the Beast is simply the best. It is set up

1668
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: and laid out here on the table for us as

1669
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: we prepare for the draft coming later this week. You're

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01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,320
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Speaker 1: Glenn Cook will join us in Daniel Jeremiah among others.

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Speaker 1: See have that look forward to, which is nice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think some some big stuff tomorrow. I would expect

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Speaker 1: that because the Glenn You've got, Daniel Jeremiah and eBay

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Speaker 1: correct if I'm wrong, but maybe even a luminary player

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Speaker 1: could be promised small, deliver big. Perhaps that's why there

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Speaker 1: were only two names on the names on the list,

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Speaker 1: that's right. I can't wait to go back and watch

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Speaker 1: the Shaun critique that one. Do you guys, you can

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Speaker 1: tease the people a little bit. Gibby, you have a

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Speaker 1: little teaser. Hey, did you do you guys think we'll

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Speaker 1: see a deal between now and round. Want like a

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Speaker 1: big NFL deal. You said, I think it's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: during the draft during If it happens, it's gonna happen

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01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: during the Did you guys see j R. Smith got

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01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: a four point oh his first year in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: How awesome is that? I love that guy. That's really cool. Yeah,

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01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that's really cool. That's pretty spectacular because when he was here,

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Speaker 1: I would not have guessed a four point It would

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01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: have been nobody would have guessed it. But he, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he didn't even need to do this. He wants to

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01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: have He wanted to grow. He wanted to play golf.

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Speaker 1: You want to grow as a human. He got cheated

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Speaker 1: out of this and now it's impressive. It's an awesome

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Speaker 1: story Nation strolling by with knapsack. It is an absolutely

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Speaker 1: awesome By the way, that Celtics four oh over the

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01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets was as entertaining as sweep as I've ever watched.

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Speaker 1: That game last night was awesome. Tatum's great. I love Tatum.

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Speaker 1: He's better than I thought. He's better than I thought

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01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: he would be. He's really they were tough man Brooklyn

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01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: give him everything last night and they just kept answering it,

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Speaker 1: even the Garbage six calling Tatum, Well, now they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to get the center, which was able to

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Speaker 1: work in right, Williams, Robert Williams is coming back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they gotta go through now, they gotta go through Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be afraid if I was them. No, Middleton right,

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Speaker 1: he's down now, Yeah, alright, next level up next, We're

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow. Cleveland Browns Daily, fifty YESP and Cleveland. You've

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