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Speaker 1: This one Bills Live presented by Call lighta Health.

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Speaker 2: How are you on this hosty Friday, Chris Brown, Steve

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Speaker 2: to asker with you. Thanks for joining us on this

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Speaker 2: obl fan mail bag Friday. As any and all of

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Speaker 2: your questions are fair game for us. Keep it clean people,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you can ask us to anything about the Bills,

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Speaker 2: to the league, NFL at large, what could be coming

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Speaker 2: down the Pike team game schedule, which we discussed a

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Speaker 2: little bit yesterday. All of that is fair game for you.

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Speaker 2: To ask us something with the roster, whether the Bills

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Speaker 2: will make another roster addition before training camp. Whatever you

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Speaker 2: eight oh three oh five fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: get on board. Steve and I are our suburban residents

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Speaker 2: of the western New York area, and we live in

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Speaker 2: suburbs that still have a fair share of wildlife around.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have deer trapsing through your yard all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, deer fox and uh yeah deer in fox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we get that.

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Speaker 1: We get ducks.

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Speaker 2: We got to sure, you know there they're evens. Even

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Speaker 2: where I live. There was an occasional coyote. Every once

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Speaker 2: when you're walking about your backyard and you come across

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Speaker 2: a murder scene, an animal murder scene, right, which is

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Speaker 2: what I witnessed this morning on the back of my

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Speaker 2: but how little was left behind. I came upon this

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Speaker 2: and I am not lying when I tell you all

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Speaker 2: that was left of this bird. And it was a crow,

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Speaker 2: which is a decent sized bird, twenty feathers, one inerd

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Speaker 2: this was asarchistic in every way.

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Speaker 1: And that was it.

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Speaker 2: This thing was d beaked. This was premeditated and violent.

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Speaker 1: Or something.

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Speaker 2: So that was the next question, right, what what other

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Speaker 1: Want to make sure it's not something higher than you.

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Speaker 2: That's right, What other animal could have performed this heinous act.

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Speaker 1: Black bear roaming around in Hope.

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Speaker 2: Not. But here's the thing. It was inside my pool

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Speaker 2: that really like a squirrel or a rabbit could get

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Speaker 2: raptor obviously grabbed onto this crow and it was over

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Speaker 2: And we've had a couple in our area for several years.

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Speaker 2: Because my neighbor once called me on what. I pull

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Speaker 2: don't even know what he's talking about. Right, he goes,

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Speaker 2: a redtail hawk got a small rabbit. I said, what

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Speaker 2: So that's my guess as to who took down the

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Speaker 2: and I say, you're gonna find nothing. This was premeditated

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Speaker 1: Well there you go. Awesome. So that was a time

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Speaker 2: It's like I got animal kingdom, and where's Marlon Perkins.

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Speaker 2: I am somewhat grateful to the assassin for leaving so

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Speaker 1: That's nice, I mean a clean job, as though it

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Speaker 2: Right now, As we mentioned on the show yesterday, Steve

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Speaker 2: and I have been glued to the wall to wall

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Speaker 2: soccer that is taking place both in the European Championships

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Speaker 2: I'll give them credit, and naturally the critics are abounding,

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Speaker 2: both among fans and the media scribes who cover the teams,

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Speaker 2: and Steve might have captured the most English of English writings.

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Speaker 2: English played the English played Denmark yesterday. They tied one

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Speaker 2: one which was by most English fans account a disappointment,

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Speaker 2: And it was equally disappointing for this journalist who wrote

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Speaker 2: and his feelings. And I think it's worthwhile that Steve

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Speaker 2: applies his flare in reciting a couple of paragraphs as.

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Speaker 1: An excerpt from this journalist who covered it. And it's

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Speaker 1: any because you can see how journalists get tied up

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Speaker 1: in their own passionate opinions. But here's the excerpt from

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Speaker 1: in this article, he says, listen, he begins to saying.

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Speaker 1: Yet these were not the only grounds for the disorienting

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Speaker 1: disposition of this encounter. Every time the men in white

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Speaker 1: their offensive efforts tortured even disjointed. The side in red

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Speaker 1: pretty terrible paragraph. Right. This is the author speaking now

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Speaker 1: terrible paragraph, right. But that's what happens when you willfully

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Speaker 1: restrict your options. You have Kyrion Tripia, a right footed

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Speaker 2: And and we went back and looked he did not

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Speaker 1: Paragraph because you know, so uh, just people are losing

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Speaker 1: their minds. It was absolutely it's been fun to watch,

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Speaker 1: you know, Buffalo Bill's Mafia, very passionate fan base. We

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Speaker 1: have our own ways of celebrating and commiserating and prepare

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Speaker 2: They're around the bed.

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Speaker 1: They are gonners, all of them, and they're and that

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Speaker 1: it runs the gamut. There are young kids and with

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Speaker 2: It's crazy if The only major difference with most international

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Speaker 2: Usually in these world tournaments where it's country versus country,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I've seen otherwise it's pretty and you're talking

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Speaker 2: It was kind of that kind of thing, and I

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Speaker 2: Club clubs a little different because the rivalries are tough

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Speaker 2: and they've been long.

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Speaker 1: You've said that the one thing, and I'm looking forward

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they're going to see each

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Speaker 1: But the United States and Mexico is that is.

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Speaker 2: Reeated right, Yes, rivalry, But even then the fans don't, right,

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Speaker 2: at least to my knowledge, don't really get after each other.

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Speaker 1: You get you got to be on your alert. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So that doesn't really, at least from everything I've experienced

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Speaker 2: and I've been told, doesn't really exist at the world

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Speaker 2: last thing you gotta worry about.

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Speaker 1: And I get it. I mean they weren't gonna pay

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Speaker 2: It's like some kind of new man it is.

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Speaker 1: And listen, they're gonna be good. Salah's gonna have their defense.

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Speaker 2: year extension where thirty six million dollars with seventeen million guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: The nine million new money average put Stevenson seventh among

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Speaker 2: running backs in the league. Now I realized the Patriots

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Speaker 2: need a feature back to support Drake May, the rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 2: as a legit threat out of the backfield, and Stevenson

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Speaker 2: is that. But his career statistics have you ever looked

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Speaker 2: at them? No, they're not overly impressive. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: played three seasons, Steve, and he's got one one thousand

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Speaker 2: rushing yard season, one forty yards in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: He's never had more than six touchdowns in a season. Now, granted,

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Speaker 2: the Patriots offense has had its share of troubles and

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Speaker 2: completely went in the toilet when Matt Patricia was running

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Speaker 2: the offense, and that's when he had one thousand yards

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Speaker 2: because there wasn't anything they could do on a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: But this guy's getting This guy is twenty six now

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Speaker 2: and just signed a four year extension. He's going to

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Speaker 2: be thirty by the time this deal is over. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if he sees the end of it.

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Speaker 1: Probably doesn't he if he's you know, this seems to

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Speaker 1: me like a personality and a reward contract for a

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Speaker 1: guy who has done everything they've asked him to do,

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Speaker 1: has been in a tough situation, in a very difficult

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Speaker 1: situation as an offense, trying to hold it all together

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Speaker 1: as a running back at an important position around a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that was you know, Mac Jones, and now it's

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Speaker 1: going to be JJ. Who is a JJ? Is it JJ? No,

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Speaker 1: it's Drake May, Drake May. So it's Drake May. They

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Speaker 1: want to make sure he's fully invested. I guess it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of money for running back to me, But

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who's been through a lot with

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Speaker 1: this offense. I think they like the way he's handled it.

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Speaker 1: Let's face it, there's been there's it's been a long

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Speaker 1: time since the Patriots have had two or three years

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Speaker 1: of offensive output. Like they've had the last two or

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Speaker 1: three years. Yeah, So I think they appreciate the fact

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Speaker 1: that this guy got him, helped get him through that,

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Speaker 1: and I think they wanted some steadying influence and some

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Speaker 1: carryover for a new quarterback and a new coaching staff

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Speaker 1: and blot it out of all of that stuff. I

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Speaker 1: think they need somebody who's got some you know, experience

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Speaker 1: in that with that franchise, in that room with all

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Speaker 1: those guys and Remonde's I have no idea what kind

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Speaker 1: of guy Ramander st Stevenson is, but if he was

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Speaker 1: with Billichick, you know he's an unselfish, smart football player, tough.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but that is

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Speaker 2: Bill's training camp, uh, the stadium, going up across the street,

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Speaker 2: The OBL Friday fan mailbag is open for any and

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Speaker 2: all of your questions on the Bills, the league at large,

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Speaker 2: Bill's training camp, the stadium, going up across the street.

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Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet at one Bill's Live. But let's

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Speaker 2: go to the phones, and leading us off today is

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Speaker 2: Tim in Laurida.

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Speaker 1: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 2: Tim?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I just wanted to call and rehash about bagging

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Speaker 3: on the Jets. Remember how we loved how their draft

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Speaker 3: picks your year the last couple of three four years,

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Speaker 3: and now they just imploded from the inside. It's just

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Speaker 3: hilarious to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I just can't understand the reasoning with their

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Speaker 2: past rushing decisions in terms of adding and subtracting. It

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Speaker 2: just kind of.

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Speaker 3: It's that fantastic top ten paces in the last three

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Speaker 3: three years.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they've mentioned really well we it's I always make

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Speaker 1: the joke that we used to have the holiday of

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Speaker 1: making fun of the Jets draft, and they've really hit

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Speaker 1: it out of the park the last three years they've done.

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas has really done well in the draft. But

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Speaker 1: now when the guy they don't draft gets developed into

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Speaker 1: a really good player, they just say thanks, see you.

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Speaker 3: Like it's like an opposite Trojan of Morris. They're imploded

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Speaker 3: from the inside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just yeah, what's the ding dong? Yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: grown up thanks to Tim.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen enough Jets mistakes over the years.

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Speaker 2: It's they're experts and self sabotage. They will find a way.

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Speaker 2: And you hear Mike Greenberg on his show Get Up

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Speaker 2: on ESPN say it all the time. He's a resident

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Speaker 2: Jets fan there and he says it all the time.

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Speaker 2: They find a way to mess it up. They are

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Speaker 2: experts at self sabotage. They truly are. And look, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna be a competitive team this year so long as

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Speaker 2: Rogers stays healthy, which was not the case last year.

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Speaker 2: But they're just making their lives more difficult with some

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Speaker 2: of these decisions. And now if it seemingly appears that

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Speaker 2: if they want Reddick to play, they're either gonna have

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Speaker 2: to take a very hard stance and draw a line

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Speaker 2: in the sand and say you're not getting a new contract.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna play it out this year and we'll figure

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Speaker 2: it out after that, or they're gonna have to pay

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Speaker 2: him gigantic money. So I think that's going to lead

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Speaker 2: to some to a difference of opinion. Let's just say

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Speaker 2: at least at the start of training camp, and it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a distraction. So that's right not to

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Speaker 2: mention the fact that as soon as Aaron gets back,

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Speaker 2: he's going to be asked what happened to all football

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Speaker 2: all the time and getting rid of the distractions? And

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Speaker 2: you made yourself one by not going to mandatory mini camp.

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Speaker 2: I mean that question is coming on day one guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, So what's that's doesn't seem to fit that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an interesting tweet Steve from Diana Rassini

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Speaker 2: of The Athletic who, as we know, she talks to

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Speaker 2: gms and head coaches pretty regularly, you know, just kind

553
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Speaker 2: of beating the bushes for news items, and she tweeted

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Speaker 2: that I'm gonna read her tweet in its entirety, and

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Speaker 2: I want you to react to it.

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Speaker 1: She says.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable how tense and uptight head coaches and gms

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Speaker 2: are this time of year. So many of them are

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Speaker 2: all over social media to check in on their players.

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00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: One GM I spoke to today is counting down to

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Speaker 2: get to camp so he doesn't have to check his

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Speaker 2: phone out of fear. You send those players off on

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Speaker 2: their own for the next five and a half weeks

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Speaker 2: after mandatory mini camp. They get the line from the coaches,

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Speaker 2: stay out of trouble, make good decisions, stay in shape.

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Speaker 2: We'll see a camp. But as soon as they leave

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Speaker 2: these that's right doors. Listen, a lot of personnel guys

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Speaker 2: are fretting lists.

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Speaker 1: A long you know, forty years ago when I was

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Speaker 1: young and still stupid. You know, you give these guys

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Speaker 1: a pile of cash, free time. Those two things are

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Speaker 1: a problem sometimes, but you mix in the fact that

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Speaker 1: they're a pro athlete on top of that and give

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Speaker 1: them that little bit of notoriety. So it's fame, money

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Speaker 1: and time. It is disastrous for some of these guys, disastrous,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and the team rides heard on them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they got it this like, oh man, they're

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Speaker 1: just they're like, just get to camp just so we

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Speaker 1: can have you know, so we had him back and

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Speaker 1: keep track of you. Yeah, you know, you turn them loose,

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Speaker 1: they just they go off the grid. Many they've gone.

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Speaker 2: Well, Hassan Reddick, you wouldn't know he was in Japan.

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Speaker 1: He's in Japan, and nobody ever listen, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you're not really worried Aaron Rodgers the same way you're

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Speaker 1: worried about young players. But Aaron Rodgers off the grid.

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Speaker 1: He went some plays on him, like nobody knows.

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Speaker 2: He could be living under a mushroom somewhere in the woods.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he could be in the Himalayas. You know, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you don't know. So And I was looking. I was

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Speaker 1: just checked the Jets. The total cap that the Jets

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Speaker 1: have two hundred and fifty five million in the cap allocations.

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Speaker 1: They got six million in space, they got twenty fifty

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Speaker 1: two million in dead cap, and it's all out there

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Speaker 1: on its own. If you're Joe, he's like Joe Douglas

595
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: gotta be going. They could be a problem with It's

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Speaker 1: a tough time of year because because that.

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Speaker 2: Six and a half million is usually about the amount

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Speaker 2: of cushion gms like to go into the season with

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Speaker 2: in case there's a rash of injuries and they need

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Speaker 2: to sign a player or two to backfill the roster.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes there could be a trade opportunity that is, and

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Speaker 2: you need a little extra space to accommodate the player

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Speaker 2: coming in.

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Speaker 1: How they gonna pay Hassan Redick with six million in caps?

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Speaker 1: They can't, and they got fifty two in dead cap.

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Speaker 2: So that's just gonna make it a problem on both sides.

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Speaker 2: You got a team that can't give him the money

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Speaker 2: if they wanted to anyway, and you got a player

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Speaker 2: who's disgruntled because he feels he's playing for way below

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Speaker 2: his market value. Right, that's that's not gonna end.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, it's not. It's it's it's an interesting

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Speaker 1: time a year. I mean, we tell you all this time.

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Speaker 1: It's dark over here. Guys are just getting away from it,

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Speaker 1: you know. Before it's like that great line in the

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Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings where he says it's the deep

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Speaker 1: breath before the plunge, right before they go into this

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Speaker 1: big battle. That's what this is. This kind of this month.

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Speaker 1: Everybody gets away from it because they know it's going

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Speaker 1: to be twenty four to seven for like six months

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Speaker 1: when they get back. So this place is empty. But

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Speaker 1: gms and head coaches are like they got their phone

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Speaker 1: on alert all the time, just because you know they

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Speaker 1: always players smart enough to the first person they call

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Speaker 1: isn't isn't their mom or their day, It's their coach.

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Speaker 1: And the GM say, listen, I got a problem.

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Speaker 2: Let's check out the obl Friday fan mail bag on

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Speaker 2: the written side, see what you've submitted on Twitter at

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Speaker 2: one Bill's Live and Ed begins with this question and

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Speaker 2: looking at the Bills training camp roster, which upcoming position

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Speaker 2: battles look to be the most interesting. I will tell

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Speaker 2: you safety is going to be a hotly contested position

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Speaker 2: that I'm interested in seeing. And I also believe there's

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Speaker 2: going to be a competition at cornerback. You got three

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Speaker 2: guys capable of being starters at outside corner in Elam

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Speaker 2: Douglas and Benford. Douglas missed all of OTAs at his

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Speaker 2: own choice. Benford missed all of mini camp due to

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Speaker 2: a family matter. He was excused. Elam's played the whole

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Speaker 2: way through. Those three guys fighting for two spots. I

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Speaker 2: think it's going to be interesting and obviously the safety ones.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any other position that kind of I

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Speaker 2: think you're interested in.

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Speaker 1: Watching the competition for playing time. I think is going

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Speaker 1: to be interesting in the defensive line, how von Miller

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00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: comes back, how good he plays, how much he plays,

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Speaker 1: what their plan is for him and aj At Panessa

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Speaker 1: and Greg Russo, how they're going to rotate in What

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Speaker 1: does Casey two Hill look like? I want to see

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Speaker 1: what that guy can do as well, because he is

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Speaker 1: a try hard Solomon and listen, Javon Solomon to me,

650
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Speaker 1: is the most intriguing guy on the roster. I think

651
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman is is what he is. He's going to

652
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: be a solid pro. How long it takes him to

653
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: adjust all that is a question mark and how much

654
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff, But key On Coleman's going to be

655
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL for a minute. Javon Solomon to me,

656
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: he looks like he looks like a dude that's going

657
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: to explode out And say what how where do they

658
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: find that guy? In the reps? I have seen him

659
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: take I was, I was, I was impressed and my

660
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: eyes were opened.

661
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: I think the guys a physical specimen with physical tools.

662
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the guy is going to explode on

663
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: the scene. I think he's going to be a really

664
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: pleasant surprise. So that's all those guys up front there.

665
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: How that mix is I think Javon Solomon, I think

666
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: not only does he make the fifty three, I think

667
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: the guy is going to make a name for himself quick.

668
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: We probably shocked a bunch of people by not saying

669
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: receiver because that has been the quintessential answer almost the

670
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: entire office.

671
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: I think I know who those guys are going to be.

672
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's could be a surprise.

673
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: How are they going to handle because I think a

674
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: lot of people believe whether it's whether it's a compliment

675
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: to him or a or an insult, you can take

676
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: your pick. I think they think that Chase Claypools is

677
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: going to be a guy that just makes the team.

678
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: But what happens after that is the question. Uh, he'll

679
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: play good during training camp. He's got all those physical tools,

680
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: he's a big rangey athletes, second round pick. I mean,

681
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: he's got all of that going for him, and he'll

682
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: try and he tries just enough to hang around you

683
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: know or that or that. That's the question with him.

684
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: But you know, Keon Coleman's going to be there, Khali

685
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: Shakier is going to be there, Curtis Samuel's going to

686
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: be there. There's three right out of the game. Collins

687
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: mac Hollins looks great, he's been he's a leader. Yeah,

688
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: he's got a voice and a presence that makes a

689
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: difference for other guys in the room. Shorter, Okay, Shavers,

690
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: same thing, kJ Hamler, kJ Hamler, Uh, Andy Isabella if

691
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: they want to get faster, Isabella is going to be

692
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: part of the mix. So I think all of those guys,

693
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean with you save Elcing I did not. I

694
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: did not say MVS. So they've got a roster of guys.

695
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: There's going to be a mix of them. And at

696
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: this point, we you know, aside from key On Coleman,

697
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: we were the Bills or Bills Mafia really doesn't have

698
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: any emotion invested in any of these guys. Just tell

699
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: me who the best ones are and let's go for

700
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: the for the time being, right. So it's not like

701
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: MVS has a history with Bill's Mafia or mac Hollins

702
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: or Claypool. Even Andy Isabella has been a hit and

703
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: miss guy has been in and out up and down,

704
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: but shavers and shorter, same thing. I think people are

705
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: waiting to be told who to cheer for for this group, right,

706
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody kind of likes Keon. He's been he's

707
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: cool kid, we like, you know, so he's got that,

708
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be hearing he going anywhere. The rest

709
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: of these guys like, okay, you pick them and then

710
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: we'll decide who you want to cheer for. I'll pick

711
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: my favorite when you tell me who to pick, you

712
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because there's just that wall of

713
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: before training, can we don't know what they look like.

714
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's it's a jumble, yeah, to a certain degree,

715
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: especially on.

716
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: That and that maybe that by definition that is the

717
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: most interesting. But to me, I don't. I don't worried

718
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: about that quality of play whatever. In the secondary, I

719
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: don't even know who's going to be back there. I

720
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: think they're going to be more athletic because of the

721
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: age of poorer and hide when they left, so the

722
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: safety're going to be more athletic, but they gonna be better,

723
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

724
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: It's it will be hotly contested, we know that, and

725
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: there are roles to be had at that position, so

726
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: it will be interesting. I just I don't know. I'm

727
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: fascinated by the things that have to unfold in the secondary.

728
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: Steve likes what he wants is hoping unfolds on the

729
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: defensive line. But yeah, we get receiver too. Got to

730
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: take a break here. When we come back, we're going

731
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: to answer the next question in the mail bag, which

732
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: comes from Alex. He asks which game in next season

733
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: schedule could be a banana peal? No one predicted losses

734
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: to the Broncos or Patriots last season. Steve and I

735
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: will tackle that when we return here on One Bill's

736
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Live presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. So

737
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: he told you before the break we were going to

738
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: answer the question from Alex about which game and next

739
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: season schedule could be a banana peal, and Alex Astuteley

740
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: points out no one predicted the losses to the Broncos

741
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: of the Patriots last season. And I know Steve has

742
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: a couple of picks of his own. Mine are as

743
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: follows Jacksonville in Week three. I don't know what it is.

744
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: The Jaguars. They are a bugaboo for this Bills team

745
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: and have been for the last few years, so that

746
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: could be a tricky game that could go the wrong way,

747
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: although Buffalo fortunately has them here at home. And then

748
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: the other one that I think could be a little

749
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: bit of a surprise is Seattle because it's on the road,

750
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: it's a long trip. Sometimes the travel affects the quality

751
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: of your play. I don't think the Seahawks are as

752
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: good as the Bills, but in their own place, you know,

753
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: and long travel for the Bills, that sometimes shifts the

754
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: barometer of a game and how much one team might

755
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: be better than the other. So those would be my

756
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: hiccup games for Buffalo potentially.

757
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say out of the gate Jacksonville is

758
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: when you got to circle if you're a Bills fan,

759
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: because they just it's like Brownie said, we have trouble

760
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: beating them. The next one for me be the Tennessee Titans,

761
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: a team that's a team there now that unlike the

762
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: Seattle game, Tennessee is in Buffalo. That'll help, but Tennessee

763
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: is a team. Will Levis is an athlete with a

764
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: big arm. He's a little bit like Josh Allen and

765
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: this tool set, big rangy athlete with a big arm,

766
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: and I think that could cause a problem for a

767
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: team who sees that every day, as odd as that

768
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: may sound. So I would say Jacksonville, I'd say Tennessee.

769
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: And and of course you know when you start talking

770
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: about this, every team is on this list. Indianapolis. If

771
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is healthy, he's a guy like Lamar Jackson,

772
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: he can make a difference, so he can make a

773
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: play against you and beat you. So those are the

774
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: ones I and that I don't I'm not. I took

775
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: out of the equation all the division games because we

776
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: all know that any of those games could go either way.

777
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: So I just I took those out. But yeah, I Indianapolis, Tennessee, Jacksonville.

778
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: Those are the ones I see now. Interestingly enough, they're

779
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: all from the AFC South. But and it's a division

780
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: that was down bad or has been down bad last

781
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: year and trying to get better. But Levis is a problem.

782
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville is always a problem for the Bills,

783
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: and that Indianapolis Colts team. Hard to imagine a team

784
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: flying further under Buffalo's radar than Indianapolis these days, just

785
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: because we don't see him very often and they have

786
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: not been good. YEA So those are the ones that

787
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: I think you really got to buckle up for. Indianapolis

788
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: is on the road, Tennessee's in Buffalo, and Jacksonville's in Buffalo.

789
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: So maybe it is that Indianapolis game when you go

790
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: down there.

791
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: I would put it on the list. I don't know

792
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: if it be my first choice, but I could see

793
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: it being on the list. It makes sense. Nick in

794
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: the mailbag asks, let's say Benford and Douglas are our

795
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: starting corn to start the season. I think we let

796
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Douglas walk after this season and Elam can step in

797
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: to fill the role. Or do you think we extend

798
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: Douglas and keep Elam as a depth piece. Yeah, That's

799
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: why I'm so interested in how the position battle it

800
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: outside corner shakes out in training camp, because what you

801
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: have to remember here is Douglas is in the last

802
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: year of his deal. If I remember right, I believe

803
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: he is at nine million a season, although maybe he restructured.

804
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's ringing in my head. In

805
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: any event, last year of his deal, and Elam's already

806
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: in the third year of his four year rookie contract.

807
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: Now they do have the fifty year option, but usually

808
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: you don't do that for a player who's not starting

809
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: for you. I wonder if as long as he proves

810
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: that he can earn the spot, does it serve the

811
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: team better to start Elam and help him develop, and

812
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: then when his contract is up after next season, you

813
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 2: sign him to an extension at age twenty four or

814
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: twenty five, rather than tacking on another year on a

815
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: contract for Rasul Douglas, who's gonna turn thirty this year.

816
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: So those are things that gms have to weigh all

817
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: the time. I think the answer to your question is

818
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: going to be largely predicated on how those two players

819
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: play in training camp in the preseason to kind of

820
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 2: chart a course for Brandon Bean.

821
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rasoul's a seven point five dead cap hit, but

822
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: he also only making three point three this year, and

823
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: this is this does seem to be the last year. Yeah,

824
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: twenty five is the year that thing is off, So

825
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: he's got one more year after this the cornerback spot.

826
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: I it'll be interesting because you're right, Elom throws a

827
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: wrench into things because we don't know what we've got

828
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: in him. And I really think, I really think this

829
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: is a year where he's gonna get heavily, heavily used,

830
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna earn it, so I I

831
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it either way that I'm

832
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: very comfortable with Rasseuell Douglas, Kyrie Elam and Christian Benford. Now,

833
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: health is a big thing, no question, all three of

834
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: those guys. If all three of them stay healthy. I

835
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: think Elim's athleticism carries the day. But Rasseul Douglas is

836
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: a guy who came in and was highly productive as

837
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: soon as he came in. He's an opportunist and I

838
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: and it's hard to keep guys like that off the field.

839
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: So we'll see. I don't have a problem with anything

840
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: one of those three at outside corner and with the

841
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: with the other one, the third guy being the first

842
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: guy on the field. One thing that does bother me,

843
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: or that I am looking at, is who is behind

844
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: Taron Johnson If something, you know, Heaven forbid, something happens

845
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: to you know, Taron Johnson. Nobody else has ever had

846
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: to play that spot while he's been on the roster.

847
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: What are they going to do if something happens to him?

848
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: You know, this year, for the first.

849
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: Time, cam Lewis is lined up there and safety as well,

850
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: so he would appear to be the utility man called

851
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: upon if such something like that were to happen. But

852
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: we have to take a break here because our number

853
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: two will begin with NFL writer and analyst as well

854
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: as vikings blogger a Reef Hassan. He's going to join

855
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: the show to talk a little bit about the clutch gene.

856
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 2: Is it real and do NFL quarterbacks have it? We'll

857
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: see if we can decipher how that's determined with a

858
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: Reef when we return here on One Bill's Live presented

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00:49:44,520 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to down number two here on a Friday,

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Speaker 2: please to be joined now by the NFL writer and

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Speaker 2: analyst and vikings blogger, also founder and host of the

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Speaker 2: Wide Left podcast. It is a Reef Hassan joining us

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Speaker 2: on the line. And Reef, thanks for the time. As always,

867
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Speaker 2: wanted to dive right into an interesting piece you had

868
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: recently about whether or not clutchness is real for NFL

869
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and ways in which to define and maybe measure that.

870
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: With all the advanced statistics we have these days, I

871
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: guess what was the overarching finding as to the veracity

872
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: of clutchness if it can be measured?

873
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean what I've found, and I talked to

874
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 5: a number of analysts, people who have studied clutchness in

875
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 5: other sports and in the NFL. What I found is

876
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 5: that it exists, but we over focused on it. Generally speaking,

877
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 5: if you're a good quarterback, you'll show up in clutch situations.

878
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 5: Some quarterbacks do a little bit better than others, but

879
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 5: most of the time were tricked by these small samples,

880
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 5: random variants, stuff like the team's own defense. We attribute

881
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 5: that to the quarterback for some reason. So it exists,

882
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 5: But generally speaking, it's just better to be a good

883
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 5: quarterback than it is to be a clutch quarterback because

884
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 5: good quarterbacks tend to show up in the clutch.

885
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: So and basically we also tend to over emphasize one

886
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: guy being clutch, the quarterback. How much of that context

887
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: gets taken into account or how much do we over

888
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: focus on one guy and ignore, like you say, the defense.

889
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and it's not just the quarterback. It

890
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: can be the rest of the offense. I mean, there's

891
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 5: twenty two players on the field, and we attribute the

892
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 5: result of the game when they're close to one of

893
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 5: those guys. What if your left tackle isn't clutch, What

894
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 5: if the opposing defense has a quarterback that is clutch.

895
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 5: We never talk about it like that, and that's really

896
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 5: unfortunate because there's some really talented players, especially at the

897
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 5: quarterback position, that don't get their due because they play

898
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 5: at a really high level, really late in games and

899
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 5: they lose and it's not their fault. So, yeah, that's

900
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 5: absolutely one of the considerations at play here that when

901
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 5: you isolate individual quarterbacks. Yeah, there's certainly an effect here

902
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 5: where some quarterbacks rise to the occasion. I guess more accurately,

903
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 5: every quarterback is worse than the clutch. Some are less worse, right,

904
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 5: and so some quarterbacks do a better job of avoiding

905
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 5: a decline in play. But some of that's just because

906
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 5: they're better in two minute situations. I tested for that,

907
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 5: and a lot of it's just because they're good at

908
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 5: being quarterbacks.

909
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one that really opened my eyes. That kind

910
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: of proves how a certain narrative gets created and totally

911
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: flies in the face of what the numbers might say,

912
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: which is a completely different set of you know, conclusions,

913
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: is that Romo and Peyton Manning are pretty close in

914
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: terms of ye a clutch gene. And that might make

915
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: people like spin their heads around three times, like what

916
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 2: Romo is on a par with Manning in terms of clutchness.

917
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 2: But that's kind of what your numbers bear it out there.

918
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you just take a look at the number

919
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 5: of close games where a quarterback had an opportunity to

920
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 5: engineer a fourth quarter comeback, Romo ranks eighth since since

921
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 5: the since nineteen sixty six the Super Bowl era, ranks

922
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 5: eighth in a comeback rate. Manning ranks six. And you know,

923
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people are like, well, okay,

924
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 5: he could do that in the regular season, what about

925
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 5: in the playoffs. Well, Romo's playoff comeback rate is actually

926
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 5: higher than Mannings, It's higher than Aaron Rodgers, It's higher

927
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 5: than a lot of quarterbacks that we consider clutch. The

928
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 5: only reason that we consider Tony Romo to be a

929
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 5: choker as opposed to you know, somebody like Peyton Manning

930
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 5: who doesn't have the strongest playoff reputation. But it's certainly

931
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 5: not the same reputation as Romo is because all of

932
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning's comebacks came in one postseason, whereas Romo's, you know,

933
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 5: all of his opportunities came over the course of three

934
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 5: or four postseasons. So he didn't get a ring. Peyton

935
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 5: Manning gets a ring, he gets two, and so we

936
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 5: call Peyton Manning clutch and not Tony Romo, even though

937
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 5: Romo has engineered more total comebacks over the course of

938
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 5: his career as a percentage of the opportunities he's had

939
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 5: available to him. It's just the nature of the game, and.

940
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: A little bit of it is a little bit like

941
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: a wide receiver clutch. You kind of tend to associate

942
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: with opportunities to be clutch. Some quarterbacks go their entire

943
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: career as an afterthought and never never get that opportunity.

944
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, Archie Manning back in the day was one

945
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: of the great quarterbacks, always on a losing team. Nobody

946
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: cared that Archie was clutched because his team was never

947
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: in a moment that made anybody care whether he was

948
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: clutch or not. Right, how much of that can you take?

949
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there are quarterbacks who you know who are

950
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: young or maybe had long careers who didn't get to

951
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs all that much, but still could be considered

952
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: a clutch player.

953
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that actually, that happens a fair amount. You know,

954
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 5: a lot of quarterbacks are just on teams, and I

955
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 5: think Archie Manning is the prototypical example. But John Elway

956
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 5: is a wonderful example because he didn't get his rings

957
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 5: until extremely, extremely late in his careers. But he was

958
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 5: always very good late in games. They just weren't winning

959
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 5: those games until you know, Mike Shanahan arrived and they

960
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 5: were able to raft a team around him and make

961
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 5: sure that they could make good on the talent level

962
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 5: that was showing. Now history is proven that Elway has

963
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 5: that capacity to be a clutch quarterback, to be somebody

964
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 5: that we recognize as a comeback king. But he always

965
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 5: played like that. We just didn't have that available to

966
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 5: us because the offensive line wasn't there, the scheming wasn't there,

967
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 5: the coaching wasn't there, the receivers weren't quite there yet.

968
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 5: Obviously the running back support that he had showed up

969
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 5: really tremendously late in his career. So that's another example.

970
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 5: But unlike Archie Manning, l Willie John Elway eventually got

971
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 5: the support that he needed for that to result in

972
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 5: a ring, But if he had retired at an age

973
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 5: that quarterbacks typically retire, we would never remember Elway as

974
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 5: somebody who has the captain comeback reputation that he has.

975
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: Where if you figured this out, does Josh Allen kind

976
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: of fall in the mix of current qbs and would

977
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: he qualify as having clutchness so to speak?

978
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, if you look at traditional measures, something like

979
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 5: comeback win rate, especially if you wait the playoffs really extensively,

980
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 5: Josh Allen, of course is below average. We know that

981
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: they haven't won a ton of close games in the playoffs,

982
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 5: But if you just take a look at his performance specifically,

983
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 5: and you try to exclude as much as you can

984
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 5: of the offensive line, the receivers, his defense, he's actually

985
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 5: number one. It's better than Patrick Mahomes. It's it's better

986
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 5: than Tom Brady just recently tried. It's better than Tom Brady.

987
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 5: His performance, and like I said, every quarterback actually gets

988
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 5: worse in the final two minutes of close games. He

989
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: gets the least worse out of all of the quarterbacks

990
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 5: in my data set, I found that Josh Allen maintains

991
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 5: the type of play that he needs to maintain better

992
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 5: than almost any other quarterback. And that can include his

993
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 5: ability in two minute situations, it can include his overall

994
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 5: level of talent. But for the most part, he's wonderful

995
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 5: in late game situations. And I think we'd probably remember

996
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 5: that if it wasn't for thirteen seconds.

997
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it wasn't for thirteen seconds and Hail Murray.

998
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a couple of there's a handful of

999
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: Minnesota game in Minnesota get stoppers as well. Yeah, And

1000
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: speaking of Minnesota, I know, Ari, I know you spend

1001
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about and writing about the

1002
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. Give us an idea the thought of their

1003
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: off season. Of course, they signed Justin Jefferson to the

1004
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: four year big contract, and then they selected JJ McCarthy

1005
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: in the first round. Give us an idea of where

1006
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: the Vikings are right now.

1007
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Vikings have very much committed to

1008
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 5: the idea that this is going to be at least

1009
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 5: a two year build for them. JJ McCarthy is not

1010
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 5: really likely to see the field, especially in the early

1011
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 5: weeks of the season, and possibly not at all this year,

1012
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 5: as the Vikings make sure that they work on his mechanics.

1013
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 5: I mean, as you know, watching the Buffalo Bills, you know,

1014
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 5: getting a quarterback out there early before his mechanics have

1015
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 5: improved can give us the wrong impression of the talent

1016
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 5: level that that quarterback inherently hasn't. The Vikings want to

1017
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 5: avoid that, so they'll have Sam Darnold out there probably

1018
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 5: for the entirety of the season, but the setting themselves

1019
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 5: up well for that two three year window. And the

1020
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 5: biggest part of that, of course, is justin Jefferson contract.

1021
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 5: Not only is it the largest contract in terms of

1022
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 5: average approximate value, it is by far the largest contract

1023
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 5: in terms of for non quarterbacks, by far the largest

1024
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 5: contract in terms of the amount of cash he'll actually

1025
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 5: see because a lot of these contracts that got funny

1026
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 5: money at the end of these deals, he'll actually see

1027
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 5: a lot of that money in the first three years

1028
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 5: of his deal. And I think it's worth it. I

1029
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 5: think that he's the best receiver in the NFL. I

1030
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 5: think that he alters defenses like almost no other receiver.

1031
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 5: The only exception to me is Tyreek Hill. And he

1032
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 5: draws more double teams than any other receiver by a huge,

1033
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 5: huge margin. So what he's been able to do obviously,

1034
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 5: you know, his contested catchability, something you're familiar with, is remarkable.

1035
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 5: But his ability to just win down from down, get open,

1036
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 5: not even have to win those contested catches, his ability

1037
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 5: to get into scoring situations. I mean, he's a really

1038
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 5: wonderful quarterback and as JJ McCarthy develops, that's going to

1039
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 5: be a really big, you know, tool in his toolbox

1040
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 5: as he tries to work on his way to becoming

1041
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 5: an elite quarterback.

1042
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: How do you kind of see that NFC North playing out?

1043
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: I mean, most outside observers like us would say, well,

1044
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: Lions and the Packers are probably the two teams I

1045
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: would pick to finish in the top two spots. Have

1046
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: Minnesota fans kind of resigned themselves to the fact that

1047
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: this is kind of like a transition year for their team.

1048
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 5: For the most part, you know, Minnesota fans have embraced

1049
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 5: the idea that this is probably not the year that

1050
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 5: they're gonna win the NFC North. The Lions are a

1051
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 5: really incredible team. I'm actually fairly suspicious of all four

1052
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 5: teams in the NFC North. I think there's a lot

1053
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 5: of question marks over all of them. I should probably

1054
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 5: get over my suspicion of Jared Goff. I just maybe

1055
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 5: that's just residual, but I'm always gonna have some questions

1056
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 5: about him and run. First offenses are always, you know,

1057
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: a question marks to me how sustainable they can be.

1058
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 5: Jordan Love was really poor in the first half of

1059
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 5: a season, really great in the second half of a season.

1060
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 5: So I want to know which one of those will

1061
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 5: show up for the Packers. Caleb Williams is one of

1062
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 5: the best supporting casts we've ever seen first overall pick

1063
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 5: get which is kind of surprising because Chicago didn't support

1064
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 5: Justin fields be you take a look at the moves

1065
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 5: that they made over the last two years. There is

1066
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 5: a great supporting cast available for Caleb Williams, you know,

1067
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 5: Keenan Allen, DJ Moore. That offensive line is looking a

1068
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 5: lot better than it did two years ago, so there's

1069
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 5: always an opportunity for that first overall pick to show

1070
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 5: up big right away. So really, it wouldn't shock me

1071
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 5: kind of how that division plays out, because there's a

1072
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 5: lot of question marks. But for now, you know, I

1073
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 5: think a lot of people and I agree, would put

1074
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 5: the Lions at number one. And the Packers at number two.

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Speaker 1: It seems from this end of the on the AFC

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Speaker 1: side of the conference and of the league, looking over

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: the NFC and you see the Minnesota Vikings sitting there.

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01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: The AFC East has seen Sam Darnold a lot. He

1079
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Speaker 1: was drafted by the Jets, struggled there in New York,

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01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: as a lot of quarterbacks have since before and since,

1081
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: has been bounced around the league a little bit. Would

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Speaker 1: there be a sense perhaps of maybe some disappointment if

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy doesn't get at least in the second half

1084
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: of the season, perhaps at the end of the season,

1085
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: for sure good enough to get past a guy with

1086
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, with Sam Donald's pedigree, pedigree, I mean, you

1087
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: would think that it shouldn't take a long time for

1088
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy that shine a guy like Sam Donald who

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Speaker 1: has really struggled.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if if Sam Donald plays like he did when

1091
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 5: he was a New York Jet, absolutely I think that

1092
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 5: by the by the midway point of the season, a

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01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: lot of fans will be clamoring for mcarthy. No matter

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01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 5: what the Vikings say. They fight to prepare everyone's expectations

1095
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 5: and say, hey, this is a developmental year for McCarthy.

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01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 5: There's not really going to be a lot of scenarios

1097
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 5: where we put him in. You know, that's nice to

1098
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 5: say in the offseason, but you know, once once the

1099
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 5: pressure is on and you're losing games, it's a it's

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01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 5: a lot different, you know, the questions that you have

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01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 5: to answer. So if he plays like that, that it's

1102
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 5: going to be really difficult. I am reminded of the

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01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 5: of Leveon Bell's thread that went viral just yesterday talking

1104
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 5: about how frustrated he was with Adam Gase's play calls,

1105
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 5: calling runs on second and ten up the middle, and

1106
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 5: and Sam Donald being as frustrated as Le'Veon Bell with that,

1107
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 5: and so I wonder, you know, if the coaching environment

1108
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 5: has something to do with it. Obviously he had multiple

1109
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 5: coaches in New York, but he looked pretty good in

1110
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 5: Carolina in those final six games. He had about one

1111
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 5: hundred dropbacks in San Francisco, and he looked all right there.

1112
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 5: So the Vikings are hoping that the guy that's showing

1113
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 5: up in practices, the guy that showed up in the

1114
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 5: last two years in a very limited sample, you know,

1115
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 5: he's going to be hopefully in average quarterback and be

1116
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 5: able to stall those questions. But yeah, if he plays

1117
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 5: like he has for the majority of his career, and

1118
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 5: in Vikings fans don't see JJ McCarthy, there's gonna be

1119
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 5: a lot of disappointment.

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Speaker 1: How much expectations are going to be hinging on the

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: people around that quarterback, whether it's JJ or Sam. How

1122
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: much help is there on that offense? Is any would

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Speaker 1: any quarterback be able to be successful, because we've seen

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01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: that like in Chicago, in Washington and all these places

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: in Carolina for Bryce Young, you know, young quarterback goes

1126
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: to these teams because those teams stink. That's not really

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01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: the case here in Minnesota. I mean, they should have

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01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: enough help for him to be successful. If he can

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Speaker 1: keep up both those.

1130
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Speaker 5: Is probably the best supporting cast. Yeah, this is probably

1131
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 5: the best supporting cast a young quarterback can find in

1132
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 5: the modern NFL. Two really high level tackles Christian Diosols

1133
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 5: on the verge of being an elite tackle, a decent

1134
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 5: enough interior offensive line that could be improved. In that

1135
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 5: receiving quarter I mean we just talked about, you know,

1136
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 5: justin Jefferson, but Jordan Addison is turning into a very

1137
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 5: good receiver he'll probably take another step and become a

1138
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 5: really high level guy. They've got some pretty good dev

1139
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 5: options there. They just signed Aaron Jones as a running back.

1140
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Speaker 1: TJ.

1141
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 5: Hopkinson's expected to come back sooner than week eight. So

1142
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 5: by the time McCarthy is expected to see the field,

1143
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 5: if you'll have McCarthy and Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison

1144
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 5: and maybe another guy that's you know, emerged, it's going.

1145
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: To be huge.

1146
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 5: That's people would kill for that supporting cast in almost

1147
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 5: any context, much less a young quarterback. And so I

1148
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 5: think that, you know, it's set up for him to succeed.

1149
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 5: There's not going to be a ton of excuses available

1150
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 5: for him if he doesn't succeed, except for the fact

1151
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 5: that he's really young and that people might hope that

1152
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 5: over t time, you know, he would improve. And so

1153
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 5: if by year two, year three in the supporting cast

1154
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 5: looks largely the same and he's not, you know, producing,

1155
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 5: you know that's almost certainly going to be on him.

1156
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: But Reef, thanks much for the time. We appreciate it.

1157
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: Enjoy your off season because training camp is going to

1158
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: be here before we know it.

1159
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, thank you for having me, all right.

1160
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: That's a Reef Hassan, who is a NFL writer and

1161
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: analyst and a Vikings blogger and also founder and host

1162
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 2: of the Wide Left podcast, usually covers the Vikings up

1163
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: there in Minnesota. They're gonna have an interesting season. They're

1164
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: a team in transition. Hockinson's not going to come back

1165
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: and till like middle of the season. They got to

1166
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: rebuild their pass rush with Dallas Turner their other first

1167
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: round pick.

1168
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Speaker 1: That's a hard sell for anybody who's watched Sam Darnold play. Certainly,

1169
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: the Jets was no you know, it was no bargain.

1170
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: Carolina was a disaster. Sam Francisco a little better at

1171
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: least the cast around him, but he still couldn't get

1172
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: on the field and he couldn't beat out.

1173
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: He's a journeyman there.

1174
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what it is. You The over under

1175
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: on games Sam Donald starts for me in a row

1176
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: at the start of the season is six, No, five

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Speaker 1: and a four and a half. Wow.

1178
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the hooks listen.

1179
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Speaker 1: They will listen. They particularly now it's a little bit

1180
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: of that will depend on what the rest of their

1181
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: division does. So if if Detroit and Green Bay stumble

1182
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: out and you're kind of hanging around with them and

1183
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: you think, wow, we could just get one more play

1184
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: a game and let's let's throw JJ in there. You know,

1185
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: that kind of thing we'll see. But you know, nobody

1186
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: in the AFC East who's been around here during the

1187
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: time that Josh got in the league and Sam Donald

1188
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: got in the league is gonna think that Minnesota is

1189
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna go with Sam Donald anywhere past halfway point into

1190
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: this season.

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Speaker 2: To me, right, I get that. I mean, we've seen

1192
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: the worst of Sam Donay.

1193
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: You can't.

1194
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: Of course, Sam Donald does have a victory here when

1195
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: he was with the Jets.

1196
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Speaker 1: Whatever. Listen, you can't hang as a quarterback. You can't

1197
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: hang a four game losing streak up and have it

1198
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: look like it does with a bad quarterback and not

1199
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna get hooked. Yeah, you know, certainly

1200
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: teams lose four in a row and they don't make

1201
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: quarterback changes. But that you know, those we've all seen.

1202
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: That's a different kind of you know, that's a different

1203
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 1: kind of problem. But when you get it's like Joe

1204
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: Flacco and the Cleveland thing. You know, he comes in now,

1205
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: they're playing great, and then they get to the end

1206
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: of the season and it's three picks in the second

1207
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: half and you're out of the playoffs. That's that's when

1208
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: you do that for three weeks in a row, that's

1209
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: when you get hooked.

1210
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about Josh being number one on the list.

1211
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: Of quarterbacks, It doesn't surprise me. Think about the games

1212
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: where you know.

1213
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: He's really been a victim of circumstances that have been

1214
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 2: out of his control in a lot of ways.

1215
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: There's three that are enormous. The thirteen seconds yes, the

1216
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: hail Murray, Yes, the Minnesota game here in Buffalo.

1217
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: How about last year's missed field goal, last year's.

1218
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: Miss field the twelve men on the field against Denver.

1219
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: The I mean, I was just talking playoffs. I mean,

1220
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: he hasn't really been a factor in costing the Bills

1221
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 2: a game.

1222
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: Now.

1223
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: People will talk about how he got bumped when he

1224
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 2: tried to hitch you here in the end zone on

1225
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: that drive in the Chiefs game last year and missed

1226
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: him because of it because he couldn't reset his feet.

1227
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: And there's been but that's that's minuscule.

1228
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: There have been losses where, you know, like in the

1229
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: Jets opening game last year where just drew three picks

1230
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: down deep, you know stuff, no question about it. But

1231
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: let's face it this and I think in large measure

1232
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: its because of Josh's ability to just not come off

1233
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: the just get first downs with his legs, with his arm, whatever.

1234
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: It's been three years since they lost a regular season

1235
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: game by more than a possession, a possession like any

1236
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 1: game in the regular season by more than eight points,

1237
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: usually it's three to five. You just can't run off

1238
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: and leave this team. Ever in the regular season. It's

1239
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: just never happened. It happened once in the playoffs. I mean,

1240
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: they're just hard to beat in any circumstance. With Josh

1241
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: at quarterback, you know, he's a little bit like I

1242
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: date myself now. Back in the day in the in

1243
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: the eighties nineties, Bernie Kozar was the type of quarterback

1244
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: who always, and to use another sports analogy, he always

1245
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: put the ball back into your court. He never he

1246
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: never lost the game. You had to win it, and

1247
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: he always put the ball, you know, he always got that.

1248
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: He always got that extra play, got the field goal.

1249
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: Now it's now they've got the lead. Now you got

1250
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: to score. You know, even if they'd look terrible the

1251
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: whole game It's just one of those guys hard to beat.

1252
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: Josh is like that. You can't when he's when you

1253
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: gotta get him off the field, you can't get him

1254
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,839
Speaker 1: off the field. You know the Thanksgiving game in Dallas

1255
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: when he fumbles the snap and still executes a quarterback

1256
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: sneak and has a guy ripping at his arms as

1257
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: he's extending the ball over the line and the guy

1258
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: still can't get it away. I mean, he plays like that.

1259
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: It's nuts. So it doesn't surprise me that this that

1260
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: Ari Hassan Arif Hassan does his study and says, you know,

1261
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: Josh is like the best clutch quarterback in the league,

1262
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: number one, ahead of everybody, even Mames he doesn't and

1263
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: he said, everybody gets a little worse in the last

1264
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: two minutes because of the statistics you use. Josh gets

1265
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: less bad than anybody else. We've seen it.

1266
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 2: Yep, he just he gets better.

1267
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: He never gets he he never gets that credit because

1268
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: of what's happened in the to the team in his career.

1269
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: But man, oh Man, I got to wholeheartedly agree some

1270
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: of the stuff he's done. That throw to Steph Diggs

1271
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: in the corner of the end zone in Arizona before

1272
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: the hail Murray was unbelievable because we didn't know Josh then,

1273
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: Like that was that year, that twenty twenty year. Yeah,

1274
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: it is unbelievable.

1275
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm about to throw here to Khalil Shakir by the

1276
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: front left pylon in the end zone, running to his left, throwing.

1277
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: Open his shoulders and hips and swinging it. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

1278
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just dumb.

1279
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: He does the time have been and spoiled, and you know,

1280
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: people write the guy off. You know, he's like he's

1281
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of it's trolling on social media.

1282
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's AFC East fans of other teams, the

1283
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: trolling bills fans wanted to engage. But dude, he's elite

1284
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: and it's nice to see somebody have some science to

1285
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: back it up.

1286
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the mail bag, where there are

1287
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: questions waiting for us. This one from Rick, who says,

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Speaker 2: if von Miller struggles through the first half of this

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Speaker 2: season as he did for most of last year, could

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Speaker 2: he find himself benched in favor of someone else who

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Speaker 2: will his name keep him on the field. I think

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Speaker 2: we all know Sean McDermott well enough to know that

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01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 2: you earn everything you get here, and what you did

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Speaker 2: in the past carries weight from a trust perspective, but

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Speaker 2: production is the ultimate thing that keeps you on the field.

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Speaker 2: And when their production WANs and that becomes the most

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Speaker 2: consistent part of your game. A lack of production, you

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Speaker 2: are not on the field. Games are too important not

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Speaker 2: to mention too close. Seventy five percent of these games

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01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: are determined by eight points or less in this league.

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Speaker 2: Any advantage you can get from a production perspective to

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Speaker 2: turn in plays to benefit your team, you put the

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Speaker 2: players on the field that deliver that.

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Speaker 1: You can bet it don't matter who it is. As

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Speaker 1: they get into the season. If if Vaughn Can continues

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: to be a no show statistically or otherwise, now, certainly

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Speaker 1: statistics aren't the be all end all. If they know

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Speaker 1: what he's doing, and they see him, and they and

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Speaker 1: they're evaluating him, and they like what they see even

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Speaker 1: though he's not getting stats, and he'll stay on the field.

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Speaker 1: But as soon as it becomes normal or too often

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Speaker 1: or too frequent that he doesn't do the things they

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Speaker 1: want him to do, he'll be He'll be you know,

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Speaker 1: moved out, he'll be evolved out of that rotation. You

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Speaker 1: can bet that will happen. That's I have no doubt

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Speaker 1: that that. Now they'll handle it maybe differently with Vaughn

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Speaker 1: with the conversations and the practice reps and all that,

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Speaker 1: and you know, they'll give him a ton of respect

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: and let him know what they're thinking. But it's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen if he's not If he's not the guy they

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01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: need him to be, he will not be out there

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: trying to be. They need guys who can be in

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: r and they'll put guys out there that are better options.

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01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: Now if he's not productive and they got nobody better. Yeah,

1325
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: he's in the game, but the moment it becomes something else,

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01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: he won't be. And that's that's the way it is,

1327
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: and that I think that's one of the reasons you

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01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: see that culture in Buffalo being trumpeted by guys who

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01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 1: leave here as being the way it really is and

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: the way it should be. That's been that's that's survived

1331
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: the acid test of guys coming in here as free

1332
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: agents and leaving and going to other places. Yeah, you

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01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: get what you earn here all the time.

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Speaker 2: We have to step aside and take a break. When

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Speaker 2: we come back, more of your questions from the OBL

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 2: Friday fan mail bag will be answered. Stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 2: Here on One Bill's Live, presented by Colida Health, It's

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown Stave tasker

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: with you. OBL Friday fan mail bag is open. We'll

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: get back to the phones at eight oh three to

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: five fifty and go to Tom in Hamburg next. What

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Speaker 2: do you got for us? Tom? You're on One Bill's Live.

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01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call. Really wondering about

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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 3: what your opinion is at this early stage about the

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 3: safety position.

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Speaker 1: So do you.

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01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 3: See starting week one at strong and weak?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think if we'd have to handicap

1351
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 2: it and knowing the history of coach McDermott, knowing the

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01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: importance of the safety position in this defensive scheme, and

1353
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: knowing there's the potential that you could have a first

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01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: time play caller at defensive coordinator depending on what coach

1355
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:58,839
Speaker 2: mcdermot's decision ultimately is. With Bobby Babbage, everything is pointing

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01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: to leaning in favor of veteran players to man those positions.

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01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: Taylor Rapp already has a year in the system. I

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Speaker 2: think that puts him squarely in the driver's seat for

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Speaker 2: the strong safety role. And I think Mike Edwards, unless

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01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 2: this shoulder problem that cost him much of the spring,

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Speaker 2: you know, costs him more time in training camp, I

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Speaker 2: would anticipate he is the starter at free I think

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Speaker 2: they are interchangeable positions, but I expect Rapp to be

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Speaker 2: closer to the line of scrimmage that seems to suit

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Speaker 2: his skill set better. I think the only way Cole

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Speaker 2: Bishop gets on the field for week one to start

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Speaker 2: the season at one of those two spots, he has

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Speaker 2: to be extraordinarily better than one of those two players

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Speaker 2: and just as consistent in his decision making and execution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a mental exercise for Cole Bishop.

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Speaker 1: How fast can he get affluent in the defense and

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Speaker 1: its schemes and its places where you can and defensive

1373
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: backs always talk about this places where you can take

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01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: educated gambles. That takes a lot of confidence and a

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Speaker 1: lot of experience and a lot of no, a lot

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01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: of knowledge, experience and knowledge in this case being the

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01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: same thing just having seen it. That's really the that's

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01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: the thing that's going to hold him back. Athletically, he's

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Speaker 1: all there, and he's got experience as much as you

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01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 1: can have without having played in the NFL. He's played

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Speaker 1: at the highest level of college and played extremely well.

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Speaker 1: He's shown those kind of traits in his college system.

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Speaker 1: But this is a completely different type of scheme than

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Speaker 1: he's played in before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said as much.

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 1: And he's just got a huge mental adjustment to make

1387
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: not physical. But and it's not like he's not smart either,

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01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: it's just brand new. It's like it's like speaking English

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: your whole life and you got to play the game

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01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: in French. You know, there's that kind of language change.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I if he does, if he manages to

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01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: beat out a guy like Taylor Rapp without you know,

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01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 1: without injury being a part of the situation, it'll be

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: it'll be surprising to me for that is it? That

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01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: isn't That is a neck up position. It's a really

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: a neck up position. If you can come in at

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Speaker 1: the highest level and make that transition ahead of a

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Speaker 1: guy like Taylor rap who's been around for a minute,

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Speaker 1: and do it in a in a year where he's

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Speaker 1: already had a year in the system, that's unbelievable. I'm

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01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: not saying he can't do it, but that's what he's

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01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: up against.

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01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and we've said it on this show many times,

1404
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: the number one thing that determines how much you are

1405
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 2: on the field is how much your coach believes he

1406
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 2: can trust you. If a coach trusts you, you will play.

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01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: If he's not sure he can trust you to get

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01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: it right, ninety nine point nine percent of the time,

1410
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: you're not gonna play as much.

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Speaker 1: But I think having said all of that, I think

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01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: Brown and I both expect Mike Edwards to be on

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01:18:59,479 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: the field.

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01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. He did a fantastic job for the Chiefs down

1415
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 2: the stretch last year after their starter Brian Cook got

1416
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 2: hurt with a season ending injury. He has the free

1417
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: safety position. That defense didn't miss a beat with him

1418
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 2: back there, and they ride it all. They rode that

1419
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 2: defense all the way to the Super Bowl. You can

1420
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,480
Speaker 2: talk about Patrick Mahomes all you want, he's a fantastic quarterback,

1421
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 2: but that defense was the strength of that team last year.

1422
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any debate about that. Let's dive

1423
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: back into the mailbag and David asks ever since they

1424
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,799
Speaker 2: were drafted it seemed to me that Elam and Shorter

1425
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 2: were meant to be the replacements for Trey White and

1426
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: Gabe Davis. They're both more athletic and they have a

1427
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 2: higher floor and ceiling than their predecessors. What do you think? Yeah,

1428
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean the jury is still very much out on

1429
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: Justin Shorter because we've seen so little of him. I'm

1430
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying we don't know.

1431
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: So this is going to be a very important training

1432
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 2: camp for Justin Shorter. He had some hiccups through the

1433
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: course of the spring with some drop and such, so

1434
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 2: hopefully that rectifies itself when he gets to training camp

1435
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 2: because he's got an uphill battle here now. I mean,

1436
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: Valdez Scandling is here, Claypool is here, Kean Coleman is here.

1437
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: These are all players who have a somewhat similar skill

1438
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 2: set to him, with varying degrees of different strengths and weaknesses.

1439
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: And if he wants to be on the fifty three

1440
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: man roster, he's gonna have to leap frog at least

1441
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: half of those guys. So he's got a monumental task

1442
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 2: in front of him. It's not impossible, but I don't

1443
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: think we've seen enough to genuinely know. I think we

1444
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 2: feel a little bit better about Elam and his skill set.

1445
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: I mean it was a first round draft.

1446
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: Choice, Yeah, exactly. Certainly, Shorter is a guy. He's high cut,

1447
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 1: very tall, He's got a physical presence, so that's going

1448
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: to give him an edge over you know, some guys

1449
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: right off the bat. But a guy like Elim, Yeah,

1450
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: I would agree. Those guys were drafted with the thought

1451
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: that they needed to be on the field. But here's

1452
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: what happened. Shorter who pulled a hamstring I think or

1453
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: something last year. I can't remember what his injury was.

1454
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: When you end up losing a season to injuries, it's

1455
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: not like they're going to play with ten guys. Somebody

1456
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: goes in and that's an opportunity for them, and the

1457
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: league doesn't wait on you. It's moving. You gotta a

1458
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: guy like Shorter has to catch back up and get

1459
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: back into the mix and earn it back, just like

1460
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: he did as a draft choice. To get drafted. It's

1461
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: a tryout all over again for an injured player, particularly

1462
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: one who doesn't have a track record of playing in

1463
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: the league. So Shorter is the is the beneficiary of

1464
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: the of Davis and Diggs leaving, but he's also at

1465
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: the back end of a long line of guys who

1466
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: were brought into philing because they still don't know if

1467
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 1: he can do it. They had to replace they got,

1468
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: They got a ton of new faces, and nobody had

1469
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: a leg up. I mean, everybody gets evaluated from a

1470
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: standing start, so it's not like they have invested that

1471
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: much in Shorter. So we'll see what your premise is true.

1472
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: Those guys were drafted for a reason. This is a

1473
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: training camp that is enormous for both of them.

1474
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a big one for sure, and I

1475
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 2: think Elm will be firmly in the mix because for

1476
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 2: all intents and purposes, you only have three guys battling

1477
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 2: for two spots at outside corner and Elan, Benford and Douglas.

1478
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: For Shorter, it is a much different pool, a much

1479
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 2: deeper pool, with more proven players ahead of him currently

1480
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 2: in the pecking order. So I think his task is

1481
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 2: far larger than that of Elm. But we'll see. Next

1482
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 2: question in the mail bag, is going to go pass

1483
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: rusher here? As Connor says, or excuse me, I skipped one.

1484
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 2: Connor says two questions for me. Currently, I am an

1485
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: active duty captain in the army. Thanks you for your service.

1486
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 2: What advice would you give someone who wants to get

1487
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: into NFL journalism? When does Bean redo Allen's contract? He

1488
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: is grossly underpaid, and while I agree he won't make

1489
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 2: a big deal about it, he is due. I'm going

1490
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: to ask answer question two first because it's an easy one.

1491
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: Josh's cap figure next year is sixty million dollars, so.

1492
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: This next year they're going to read it.

1493
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: So I think next offseason it's going to get redone.

1494
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 2: So that's an easy answer question one. I think the

1495
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 2: first thing you got to think about here, Connor, is

1496
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: regarding getting into journalism. I think you have to talk

1497
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 2: about education. And I'm not going to pretend to know

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Speaker 2: what your education is, whether you went to a four

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Speaker 2: year institution and did ROTC and jumped into the service

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Speaker 2: or whatever your path was, but it is important to

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Speaker 2: get at least a communications degree or a journalism degree

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01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 2: of some kind that will help you right off the bat.

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 2: And then number two is internships. Internships, internships, internships, it's

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01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: hands on experience. Steve after his playing career was over,

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01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 2: adopted that model and went into you know, internships to

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01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 2: garner the experience necessary to land you know, a more

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Speaker 2: profitable job. And I did the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a little different nowadays than it was when I

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01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: when I started to get into the broadcast end of

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01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: the industry, when I was still playing, I started doing

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01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: internships unpaid. So I tell kids, if you can't do

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Speaker 1: it for free, if you can work for an entity

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01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: for free and then make yourself indispensable so that when

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01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: they think they're going to lose you, they'll start paying you,

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01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: and then you're in other than that. In this day

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Speaker 1: and age, now with social media, you can start your

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01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: own handle and start working at it. Guys like Dan

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01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: Orlofsky on ESPN, one of the analysts there. Certainly as

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01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: a former player, it's a much easier road, of course,

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01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: But if you start putting out good content on social

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01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: media and it starts to get attention, that's as good

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01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: a resume boost as anything. Certainly as a guy who

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01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 1: is an active duty captain in the army, that on

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01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: your resume alone will get you put on top of

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01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,759
Speaker 1: a lot of stacks. If you do, indeed, ever submit

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Speaker 1: a resume and the fact that you've had a real

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01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: working knowledge in the real world. That will help you

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01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 1: as well. But in this day and age, certainly a

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01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 1: journalism degree helps. But man, oh man, how many people

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01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: do we see in the industry that they don't have

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01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: any of that. They are just interested and they make

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Speaker 1: themselves knowledgeable enough to be to have good content. That's

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Speaker 1: what you got to do.

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Speaker 2: And you also, this is no longer an age where

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01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: you can be a written journalist or a broadcast journalist

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 2: or you know, a radio journalist. You have to be

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01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 2: all of the above. Yeah, you have multimedia is the

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01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 2: world of this era. You have to be able to

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01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 2: do all of those. So, but I would say the

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01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: number one thing for any journalist is you have to

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01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 2: be a good writer. Whether you're focusing more in the

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01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: broadcast medium, the written medium, the radio medium, the podcast medium,

1543
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you do need to be a good writer.

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01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 2: So if you're busy with your military duties, in your

1545
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: spare time, work on your writing, even if you're doing

1546
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 2: it just to practice. Your writing is probably the biggest

1547
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 2: part of this industry. If you can't write, it's a

1548
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 2: lot harder to do this job, and to do it

1549
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 2: well well.

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01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're a good writer, it gives you

1551
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,799
Speaker 1: more avenues to exploit your talent.

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01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here. We'll take a

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01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 2: couple of final questions from the mailbag when we return

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01:26:49,040 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live. Stay with us, all right

1555
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 2: back here on one Bill's Live. A couple of minutes

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01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: here for some final questions from the mailbag. And Jack

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01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 2: asked talking defensive ends, grout aj Vonner on the roster,

1558
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,560
Speaker 2: but how many will they keep? Five or six? I

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01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,839
Speaker 2: think Solomon will make it. He has some crazy potential.

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01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 2: That leaves one or two spots for Jonathan who's been here,

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01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 2: Smoot good Edgsetter Cline, practice squad guy, and two Hill,

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01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 2: who's a McDermott type who sticks.

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01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, last year they kept five defensive ends and five

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01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 2: defensive tackles, ten total defensive linemen. If they keep six,

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01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 2: then I think Solomon, Jonathan, and two Hill are all

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01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 2: on the roster. If they only keep five, those three

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01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 2: guys are battling for two spots for all intents and purposes,

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01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 2: two Hills, Solomon and Kingsley Jonathan, who made the active

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01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 2: roster last year out of camp. I think it's gonna

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01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 2: take training camp in the preseason to determine who sticks

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01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 2: and for those that no. Two Hill, I kind of

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01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: describe him like a Trent Murphy type. People remember when

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01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 2: Trent Murphy was acquired here early in twenty eighteen and

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01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 2: nineteen and was a productive edge setter, had some pass

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01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: rush ability. Two Hill is kind of that kind of

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01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 2: skill set.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows. I don't think the coaches know. I don't

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01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: think the players know. I think that's a spot that's

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01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: up for grabs, and it's a really important one. I

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01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: think it's going to come down to the preseason, in

1582
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: the training camp and the health and the upside of

1583
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: all these guys. We have seen this staff, coaching staff,

1584
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,679
Speaker 1: through all its iterations, do a really good job developing players.

1585
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Some of them come along really fast and others never

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01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: get it and they're gone. Most of them get better.

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01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 1: Players leave the Bills after their tenure here better players

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01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,879
Speaker 1: than when they got here. We'll see if that continues

1589
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 1: to be the case and how fast it happens for

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01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: some of these guys.

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01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 2: From Chris, what are the chances Babbage will be more

1592
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 2: aggressive on defense than McDermott was this past season, especially

1593
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 2: knowing how new the back end of the secondary will

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01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 2: be That's a valid concern, but we don't know if

1595
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: Babbage is called on the plays yet, and we probably

1596
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 2: won't know until the end of the preseason.

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01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: If he is the defensive play caller, I don't know

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01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: how he is more aggressive. Sean McDermott was really aggressive

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01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: in money downs. He picked his spots extremely well and

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01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: had a knack for getting a guy free coming at

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01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 1: the passer. Babbage needs to be able to do that

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01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: as well. But McDermott had a reputation as a very

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01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: aggressive play caller, so that would be hard to be

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01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: more aggressive.

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01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 2: Last one from Allen. Do you see Van pran Granger

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01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: making the roster week one? I think even if he

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01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 2: outplays this competition, the coaching staff might throttle the rookie

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01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 2: like they do with other rookies in the past.

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Speaker 1: Cheers.

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01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 2: I think Van pran Granger makes the roster because he's

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01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: capable center and he can also he's also getting cross

1612
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: trained at guard and they like position flex. I think

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01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: he's got a good shot to make it.

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01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he will make it. It might be

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01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: some combination, but I think he's on.

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01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: Yep, that's it for us. Everybody, have a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.

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Speaker 3: You