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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Emily and this is Bridge and you're

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Speaker 1: listening to stuff Mom never told you. So one of

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Speaker 1: angry or upset, and they don't really have a good conclusion. True,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to bom us out right now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but luckily this is not one of those things. Is

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Speaker 1: the story of a fight for justice and fairness inequality

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Speaker 1: victory story. What's it about? Bridget is about hockey? And

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Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, is it the

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Speaker 1: story of how a scrappy, upstart hockey team beat the

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Speaker 1: like villains all of my ducks? I love it. We

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Speaker 1: need a lady mighty Ducks. Yeah, I would be a

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Speaker 1: good women's hockey call us. We'll write it for want that.

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Speaker 1: So basically, this is a story of how the Women's

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Speaker 1: Hockey League, the National Women's Hockey League of the United States,

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Speaker 1: fought and one for pay equality. So something that we

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Speaker 1: should say is that pay equality in sports is not

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Speaker 1: and I feel like pay equality obviously in this country

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Speaker 1: but it's not the law of the land yet. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just you know, pay athletes better because we're

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Speaker 1: been watching the sport religiously, but in catching up myself,

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Speaker 1: it turns out that they've won seven global titles, isn't

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Speaker 1: And yet what was what was their pay situation? Like

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Speaker 1: Like the presupposition that you should have outside income that

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Speaker 1: And that's all they were asking for, right And I

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Speaker 1: it is a out you know, the team. And like

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Speaker 1: she just drove home that message that like, this is

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Speaker 1: not about me, this is about the entire the entire

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Speaker 1: unit um. And so luckily this three days before under

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Speaker 1: the Wire, you can just tell that they were like,

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Speaker 1: we have to we have to figure this out, right,

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Speaker 1: So like they were able to come up with a

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Speaker 1: deal three days before this major tournament, and the players,

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Speaker 1: luckily they got what they were asking for, they were

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Speaker 1: snapping in the studio. So they ended up getting a

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Speaker 1: four year deal. And that deal really is you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's a it's a win for them. This

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Speaker 1: steal includes the formation of the Women's High Performance Advisory

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Speaker 1: Group to help advise women and girls hockey at youth levels.

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Speaker 1: It also involves providing female players with travel and insurance provisions.

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Speaker 1: Um that it's equal to what the men get. And

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Speaker 1: so again I think it's so important that like they

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Speaker 1: just wanted what was their They just wanted with their

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Speaker 1: with their male counterboards are already getting. And this is

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Speaker 1: on the heels of an agreement that was already just

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Speaker 1: struck this year in a totally different sport with squash

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Speaker 1: between men and women in the Squash Federation question mark,

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Speaker 1: like whatever the national squash you know, hang out might

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Speaker 1: be your squash squad whatever that is, Um, that is

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Speaker 1: a sport where gender pay equality has been set in stone, right,

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Speaker 1: an agreement was made this year. Yeah, And so I

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Speaker 1: mean thinking about pay equality and sports, think about that,

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Speaker 1: like only this year, inv have we sort of normalized

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Speaker 1: I won't even go that far. Like that to me

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Speaker 1: is just a sign of I mean This is great,

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Speaker 1: but it's just a sign of how far it is

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Speaker 1: that we have to come on this issue. And I

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Speaker 1: would say the one shortfall of their agreement with the

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Speaker 1: national with the USA Hockey is that it's a four

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Speaker 1: year deal. Right, This isn't set in stone. They can

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Speaker 1: totally go back on their word in four years and

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Speaker 1: hopefully it won't come to that. But this was a

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Speaker 1: seventeen year fight that yielded a four year So Lucian

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Speaker 1: Jeeze put it that way. I think that there's something

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Speaker 1: to be said about making it set in stone that

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Speaker 1: pay quality is what we're advocating. We're not a contract,

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Speaker 1: right like across the board, a baked in deal that's

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Speaker 1: that's fair for all involved, right. Um. And so what

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Speaker 1: I what I love is like the cherry on top

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Speaker 1: of this story of victory, a big victory for these

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Speaker 1: women what ended up happening with their with their tournament,

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Speaker 1: that they snuck them this deal and was able to

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Speaker 1: play it right down to the wire three days before

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Speaker 1: It's April seen and the US is in the final

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Speaker 1: you know, National Global International Championship round. Um. Clearly they

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Speaker 1: have specific names for these rounds and losing not really

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Speaker 1: really big special game. It's the sport with the with

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Speaker 1: the puck, right, yeah, that one. So it's April, they're

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Speaker 1: fresh on the heels of victory and people were freaking out.

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Speaker 1: They were saying, do you think contract negotiations three days

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Speaker 1: before your giant game is very good for the mindset

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Speaker 1: of a player. I can't imagine that. It's like, your

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Speaker 1: head's not really in the game if you're negotiating your contract,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like three days before big

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Speaker 1: game day is when they finally put the ink was

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Speaker 1: drying on their contract. And of course, like true badass,

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Speaker 1: fierce boss athletes that they are, the US defeated Canada

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Speaker 1: in the gold medal game three to two after overtime winning.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know, just a casual eighth title. So we

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Speaker 1: added a clap sound there, right, we need like a

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Speaker 1: clap effect. Um. I think it's just a good sort

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Speaker 1: of moral. The story here is that they can win

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Speaker 1: it in the boardroom and win it on the ice.

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Speaker 1: I love that winning in the boardroom and on the ice. Yes,

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Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I think that's such a

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Speaker 1: good lesson for women everywhere when it comes to doing

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Speaker 1: your job well and also taking care of your business,

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Speaker 1: like no one's going to advocate for you, accept you,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes it might even come down to a total

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Speaker 1: labor dispute, a well executed strike, widening the issue to

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Speaker 1: ask for other stakeholders to help back you up when needed,

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Speaker 1: you know, talking to the workers who are you know,

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Speaker 1: being brought in behind your back or threatened to broaden

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Speaker 1: be brought in behind your back, and then you can

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Speaker 1: still do your job. You can still do your job

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Speaker 1: and crush and crush it even while you're busy advocating

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Speaker 1: for what you need to be sustainable in crushing it.

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Speaker 1: I love it, and I think another good takeaway from

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Speaker 1: this awesome campaign it's this idea that you don't have

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Speaker 1: to let this, like let an awful precedent stop you

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Speaker 1: from advocating for what you want right like this has

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Speaker 1: been the way it is years. I can imagine being like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: if you want to be a woman, you know, hockey player,

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Speaker 1: you just have to deal with this. You know this, this,

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Speaker 1: this is, this is how it is, and not not

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Speaker 1: really not letting that stomp you from going after what

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Speaker 1: you want. I hear that all the time at boss

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Speaker 1: Stop with women I'm working with who say, well, no, Actually,

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Speaker 1: we can't do that in my special snowflake of an

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Speaker 1: office because in my workplace we can't you know, we

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Speaker 1: can't have those conversations. We can't ask for what we want.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, no one's going to roll out the

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Speaker 1: red carpet for you to demand what you need. And

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Speaker 1: if anything, people are going to make it hard. They're

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Speaker 1: invested in you believing that yeah, they're powerless and that

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Speaker 1: nothing can change. And what's that quote. The biggest way

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Speaker 1: that we give away our power is by we don't

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Speaker 1: have any and that I want to say Alice Walker. Yes, definitely,

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Speaker 1: Alice Walker. Yes, nice work. Thank you Feminist Studies for

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Speaker 1: the wind. If that was a sport, If feminist studies

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Speaker 1: was a sport, you'd be the champion. I would win.

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Speaker 1: It would be Serena when all the Serena Williams, the

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