WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Hot Opinions 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.240 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:15.120 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:19.320 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:24.280 Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:31.320 and Nicky Spagnola. And here we are. It's Tuesday at 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:35.600 eleven thirty am Central Time, and that means only one thing. 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:40.600 It's time for Mix Shots with Mickey Spagnola inside the 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.159 SWBC Mortgage studio at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:49.000 Everson Walls inside his own SWBC Mortgage studio, and I 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.200 am at my home as well. And we are one 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.000 week in two days away from the start of the 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:02.080 twenty twenty one National Football League Draft, and lots going 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.600 on because what I guess is a well, it's kind 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.560 of sort of virtual off season around the National Football 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:14.119 League is underway this week and there's so much to 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.479 talk to talk about over the next hour here on 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.560 Mick Shots, Mickey, Everson, how you're doing. Let's start with 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.000 Nicky first, Mickey, since it's your name on this show. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:32.160 That's a scary proposition. I'm doing her fine. They're the 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:38.360 one responsible. Yes, I'm responsible. For us being here right now. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.440 Everything's good. It's a beautiful day, and we got activity 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.440 out on the football field here over the last couple 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:54.160 of days. And Everson, how are you doing? I am 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.480 doing wonderful, so good to be here. By the way, Bill, 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.520 you were late signing on. So I want to make 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.600 sure that the T and yes, every everything here is 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.320 Spagnola's fault. So I'm want to put those disclaimers out 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.560 there right now and just let you know, uh, spacts, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.160 you actually have a front row seat, don't you to 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:21.120 the Cowboy practices to even maybe Dak Prescott's recovery. Have 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.960 you been watching them out there? They's been practicing. I 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.760 heard these out there practicing with anybody and anyone that 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.320 would trying to catch his passes. I've heard you were 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.519 out there on the end zone one day trying to 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.600 catch them passes. So have you been checking them out? 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.440 Have you been checking out his progress or anything like that. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.840 I know better than go and try to catch his passes. 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.760 I learned that long time ago in uh A quick 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.040 story in nineteen ninety three, after Troy Aikman had his 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:55.200 back surgery in June, I believe the Cowboys played a 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.000 I can't remember if they played in Mexico City that year. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:04.359 They played a game that I wasn't covering, and I 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.080 went out to watch him throw and Babe Laffenberg was 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.960 supposed to be there to catch for him, and Babe 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.960 was late, so his physical therapists was out there and 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.240 he went out and said, yeah, i'll catch some, and 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.560 Troy goes on, I don't know you. You need to 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.360 wear some gloves and the guy goes, no, I don't 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.880 need to wear gloves. So I was standing on the 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.280 sideline and I was thinking, well, I can go out 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.959 there and catch a few. I was up close and 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.480 personal to a few of the passes he was thrown, 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.080 and I said, ain't no way. I need these hands 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.280 for my living. I am not going to go out there. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:48.200 This poor guy's hands were beat red before Babe got 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.520 there with his gloves on to catch. So, yeah, I'm 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.160 not catching Deak. I haven't seen him throw the football. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.360 I've seen him do his rehab work, and he's moving 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.880 awfully well on the field, doing his different exercises that 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.360 Britt Brown has him going through. And as I've said previously, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.200 I had to remind myself did he hurt his left 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.360 foot or his right foot, because you can't tell the difference. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:17.000 So that's a good sign. Oh that's taking place. I 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.560 have a I have a nice little, uh Doug Williams 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.760 story for you. You know, he used to throw extremely hard. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.800 Of course, being at Grambley, he was the first black 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.560 college quarterback to be up for the heisman. So everything 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:35.400 in practice was about coach Eddie Robinson showcasing Doug Williams. 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.039 I mean, we had a lot of people come to town, 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.000 earth Cross, Jane Kennedy, Mussburg, all those guys would come 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.080 to town to see this, uh, this black Moses is 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.640 what I called him. And so he ended up every 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.400 time he throw the ball to the wide receivers, they 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.080 will all have the same reaction as trying to catch 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.839 choice passes as as a young man did. And I 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.600 recall Mike Moore. He bugging the heck out of me. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:02.800 He calls me all the time. He's a big mouth 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.640 tight end that we had the Grammy that I loved 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.080 to death. One of those guys that kept everything going. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.600 He had to take these two fingers together because that 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.760 was a slit coming down his finger from trying to 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.880 catch Doug Williams passes. I mean, you could just see it. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.440 That was That was that was blood here from where 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.680 the ball, the point of the ball would hit his 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.240 hands when he tried to come back and catch the 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.279 curl route. And that was to me, that was typical 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.320 of a Doug Williams pass. So you talk about Troy Agman, Yeah, 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.680 I think Doug might have turned it up just a 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.040 little bit more in regards to the comparisons. Actually, at 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.920 one of those quarterback school sessions that turned into OTA's 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.200 in Alvin Harper's rookie year, so I'm guessing that was 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:53.440 ninety one, he was out there catching Troy passes and 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:58.080 Elvin's got huge hands, right, which means long fingers, And 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.479 he caught a Troy pass and the cone of the 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:05.880 football went between his two fingers and split the webbing 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.520 and blood start flying all over the place. And and 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.160 that should have been That should have been sign enough 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.240 that when I was there in ninety three not even 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:20.279 to consider catching one of his pants. Oh man, So Bill, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:25.920 how are your hands? My hands are just fine because 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.360 I haven't been in the way of a Troy Achman 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:36.000 pass in my life, or you know, Uh, it's kind 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.320 of bringing it back to the draft. I think Gil 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.080 Brandt may say to this day that Troy Aikman had 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.479 the best workout he has ever seen leading up to 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.920 the draft, even here thirty thirty two years later. Uh 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.360 that and and so maybe that's that's the real test. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.920 Is you get someone who's not usually a receiver, doesn't 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.640 have the calloused hands, and uh, and that's how you 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.239 can decide whether a quarterback has has what it takes 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.359 to be a quarterback in this league, the league the 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.760 velocity on his footballs, because uh, first one makes your 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.600 hands bleed. He's your top pick. Maybe Trevor Lawrence can 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.920 do that too. Well, you know what Troy too, By 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.320 the way, he was so accurate. So practices, you know, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.400 the ball rarely hit the ground, and that that first 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:28.040 Super Bowl in ninety two, early in the week they 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.560 were practicing and a couple of his passes hit the ground, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.320 and I remember North Turner telling the story, Oh my god, 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.520 is he nervous? What's going on? We'll never score a touchdown? 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.160 You know, he might have missed two passes in practice 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.960 that he's normally used to not missing. So but anyway, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.720 I had a thought, I just had a thought, right, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.200 quicks facts. Has Gil Brandt ever played one minute of 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:00.280 any sports? Don't believe so. You know, I've never thought 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.680 about that until now, Like has he has he ever 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.920 call the pass? Has he ever run one step in 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.440 his life? I mean, come on, for someone that's supposed 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.200 to judge talons so much, I've never heard of his 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.520 own individual athletic prowess. So tell me you've got some 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.840 background on Gil Grant and being an athlete when he 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:22.600 was growing up wherever the heck he grew up in. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.960 He grew up in the outside of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, And 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.160 I have not seen any evidence that he played the 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.520 game in football a uniform, a uniform on any team 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:38.600 or I mean anybody, mascot, come on, anything? Better watch 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:43.040 your gated of the University of Wisconsin. Right well, I 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.439 bet I better do what I was gonna say. You 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.199 better watch out because he's he reads and listen. I 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.200 got it. I got it, Hey, I got it. What 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.160 he got I got it from Wikipedia. If you can 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:59.000 trust Wikipedia, ever Son, you'll love this all right. Gil, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:05.439 a native of Milwaukee, attended North Division High School, where 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:10.080 he was a one hundred and fifty pounds starting defensive back. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:15.400 He also lettered in basketball and track. He enrolled at 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.480 the University of Wisconsin but left after two years. So 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.840 there you have it, the athletic history of the great deal. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.199 And he turned into a base that was that was 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:33.600 very base. Yeah, and then he then it was that 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:38.800 background as a defensive back that led Gilbrandt to signing 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:47.880 Everson Walls real Okay, didn't draft him, but signed him 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:54.400 as an undrafted free agent out of gram Yeah. All right. Uh, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:59.040 speaking of quarterbacks, the fact that there could be five 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.240 quarterbacks taken in the top nine picks of this draft 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.680 affects the Cowboys, who could have the pick of the 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.760 letter as far as defensive players go, when they pick 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.200 at number ten. All right, don't I don't know if 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.200 either of you have how much you have studied the quarterbacks, 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.880 since the Cowboys are not in the market for one 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.520 of those quarterbacks. But do you think there will actually 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.640 be five quarterbacks taken in the top nine picks? And 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.040 if there is not one taken, which one was most 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.480 likely to fall out of the top ten? What do 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:38.280 you think? I would think the guy that might fall 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:43.000 to ten if it's not in the top nine would 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.880 be Trey Lance just because of he hasn't had that 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:52.839 much exposure to college football, only played what a game 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:58.040 last year and then one season, So I would think 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:02.920 if somebody really liked him, then that number ten pick 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:08.320 could be pretty expensive real estate if somebody wanted to 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.880 move up to grab him, because they know the Cowboys 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.560 aren't going to take them, and if the Cowboys just 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.120 trade it down a little bit, they know who's ever 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.640 coming up. It's going to take a quarterback. So if 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.240 you don't fall down too many picks, you still may 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.640 get your choice of one of the top three defensive 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:32.120 players in this draft, which the Cowboys certainly would like. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:37.319 You know. I was listening to Stephen Jones yesterday on 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.600 one oh five three the Fan. He's been doing some 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:44.559 interviews pre draft stuff, and he said, looking at what's 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.920 going on with the quarterbacks, he goes, this should be 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:53.000 pushing some defensive football players our direction, meaning if you 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.080 get a couple of four or five quarterbacks, two wide receivers, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:01.240 a couple offensive lineman, suddenly get to nine and ten 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.720 and you may have the pick of that top defensive player. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.160 Thought it was pretty interesting listening to him basically saying 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:15.240 buying anything opportunistic, we certainly want to improve our defensive 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.000 football team and those are words for this team to 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:25.360 live by. By the way, going into this draft, I'm 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.760 feeling kind of different about Trey Lance. I mean, when 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.400 you look at it, he's really just a comparison to 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.040 a Carson Wentz, you know, coming from a smaller school, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.440 smaller conference, old school one doble a That's that's what 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:44.280 I call it, and just showing what a great athlete 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.200 he is, what a great winner that he is in 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.040 all the years that he was in college. I look, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:56.080 if someone grabs him, they're they're getting a complete athlete, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:01.679 They're getting a complete football player. You call Randall l 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.240 Back in the day with the Pittsburgh Steelers. He was 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.280 able to do so many things, but they put him 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.400 at wide receiver in order to do that, and he 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.240 was able to throw the ball on his verses and 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.079 trick plays. I don't think Trey Lance is looking forward 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.760 to that, and I think he's trying to be more 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.040 of a traditional quarterback, just like a Carston Wentz. And 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.080 then you start looking at fields the way they have 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.480 been talking so negatively about him for someone that came 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.079 through the Big Ten and you know, played the national 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.439 championship games and showed his worth on the field. It's 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.319 funny how his practices and his workouts have not impressed. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.680 So that's the difference between whether Troy Aikman did back 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:45.120 in the day by uplifting his value by having great 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.640 workouts as opposed to fields who. I guess he's not 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.600 having those type of workouts that Troy Aman may have had, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.280 and now his stock is really dropping. I don't know 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.400 if he improved himself in a set I can work out, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:06.240 but that first workout had everybody on panic mode. So Bill, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.439 what's the Big three notebook say on these quarterbacks? Well, well, 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.400 the first on on Trey Lance. Uh. You know the 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.040 interesting thing about him, as you alluded to, I mean, 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.400 he just had the one game that North Dakota State 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.640 played in the fall sixteen game season the prior year. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.400 I mean, he's only played because they won the national 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.280 championship and they have a playoff in that FCS imagine 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.080 L sixteen games, So that was that was his only 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:40.680 season to play. And uh, and so here's the amazing 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.680 thing about him is that, and which shows how much 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.760 he has shown as far as his athletic ability and 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.000 everything that NFL teams look for in a quarterback everything 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:56.119 that goes with that. He's only thrown three hundred eighteen 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.840 passes in his college career. That's amazing that he's even 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.680 being considered as the top of the draft type quarterback 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.360 when he's only thrown three hundred eighteen passes. Uh And 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.600 because someone has to really be sold on his potential 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.920 to stand on the table and tell an owner that, yeah, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.560 we're going to take the you know, the fourth pick 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.320 in the draft, or the ninth pick in the draft, 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.080 whatever it is, We're going to take a quarterback who's 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.960 only thrown three hundred eighteen passes. Uh. I When when 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.720 I look at him, I think he compares a lot 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:35.640 with Dak prescott Um. And you know, I don't know 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.360 anything about him as far as you know. What is 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.400 off the charts with Dak, as we quickly discovered, was 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:46.440 his leadership ability and his work ethic. And that's why 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.640 Dak has become what he has become now the only 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.760 the only quarterback left standing from that twenty and sixteen 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:59.400 draft with and uh and so so that that helps 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.760 Lance because we've seen it before. Where because because the 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.920 thing that that but but you think about dak at 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.440 Mississippi State, he had a lot more skins on the 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.880 wall than what Trey Lance has in college, even with 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.720 Lance winning a national championship at North Dakota State, but 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.600 they ran him a lot. There was a lot of 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.280 zone read stuff and so you know, he had over 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.400 a thousand yards rushing that season. We all know that 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.000 you can't run the football in the NFL to that extent, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.960 but it does enhance his game. Um, it's just going 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.120 to be very interesting to see where he lands. And 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.360 I agree with you Mickey that if there is one 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.040 that's going to fall out of the top ten, assuming 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.800 that Shanahan is going to take mac Jones at number three, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.360 then I think Trey Lance is the most likely to 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.640 fall out of the top ten, just because of the 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.240 fact that there's there's such a small sampling of what 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.680 he did in college. Yeah, and you probably need a 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.280 team that says, Okay, he doesn't have to be my 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:05.280 day one starter. You know, a team that has a 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.480 veteran there that can kind of bridge the gap to 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.160 get him to go. So I just think if he's 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:17.680 still sitting, there's somebody in those early teens might come 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.720 to the Cowboys and say, okay, what about a trade. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:25.560 Stephen Jones was asked about if he getting any phone calls. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.560 He said, well, he said, the phone's not ringing that much, 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.320 but it will probably heat up next week when you 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.760 get kind of closer to the draft. But you know what, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.200 here's my deal. If somebody's wanting to move up to 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.360 tend to take a quarterback, they're gonna have to pay 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.080 a king's ransom to get my spot. You know, this 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.600 ain't gonna be Wow. They're moving up three or four 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.280 spots and they're taking you know, an offensive tackle or 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.840 a wide receiver. This is a quarterback, and they're gonna 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.600 pay the price to be able to get a quarterback. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.600 And it's going to include multiple first round picks. I 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.199 guarantee you that, if, if, if, you're gonna encourage me 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:07.360 to move. Also, since we're on quarterbacks, you know, Stephen 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:11.520 was asked about the possibility of drafting the quarterback and 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.439 he said, probably not going to be real early in 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.639 the draft. But he goes, you know, middle middle rounds 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.920 to late rounds. Will keep an eye on a guy 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.000 because you always want to have guys in here to compete. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.600 Even if you had a veteran guy there. You want 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.160 somebody to compete, so, uh, you know, it's not out 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.600 of the realm of possibility that they actually do that. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.880 And I better raise my hand because that no one 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:44.359 thinks I'm in here. If there's no motion in this room, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.119 the lights somehow go off and you got to wave 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.679 your hands get back on. If you noticed there was 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:57.760 a little bit of a blackout there. Oh that's funny. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.919 So it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.200 the with the quarterbacks and how many Go ahead, Bill, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.680 I have a question, Bill, all right. You know I'm 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.600 always trying to get you guys to do research. I'm 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:11.480 pretty sure you guys will throw this back in my lap. 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.959 But I'll say this. In the past, let's say three years, 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:21.560 how many teams that took a quarterback in the first round, uh, 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.600 still made the playoffs? Let me let me that first year, 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:30.440 any teams? Yes, And how many teams that were not 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.280 in the playoffs the previous year that took a quarterback 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.639 to so they can improve their their position and still 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.000 did not make the playoffs that following year? About drafting 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.520 a quarterback to come in and start and and you 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.399 know right away Uh, you know, like a like a 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:56.080 like Cincinnati last year. Uh they did Man got hurt. 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.680 Even though he got hurt, you know, they weren't They 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.080 still weren't able to make the playoff. You know that. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.080 I guess I'm trying to point out. You know, we've 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.960 got this emphasis on taking quarterbacks in the first round. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:13.399 How much has it improved their fortune as far as 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.119 the entire NFL is concerned. I would love to see 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.160 how those seasons worked out, because you know, you want 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.119 these You throw these guys in there right away thinking 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.399 that they're ready to play, and then they're going to 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.520 be a savior for your organization. I mean, how many 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.359 times that work out? New York Giants with Jones? You 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.040 know that's another one. Yeah, but ever said. What you 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.880 have to remember, though, is the reason you're drafting high 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.480 and the ability to get a quarterback is you were bad. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.200 And it's not just bad because you didn't have a quarterback. 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.800 You were just a bad team, right, Cincinnati, prime example, 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:55.000 the Giants, a prime example. Now the Jets. Yeah, Now, 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.040 if you were a good team and you were able 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.239 to trade up to go get one, then that's a 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:06.560 different story. Or you can have fourth round quarterback and 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:13.600 you've made the playoffs. Right. But but but my thing is, uh, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.679 does the quarterback position have to be the priority? Sometimes 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.680 you gotta get that old lineman first instead of going 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.840 out to a quarterback like a Sam Donald who was 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.399 never able to develop. I think it sometimes hurts these 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.240 players overall development when we throw them into the fire 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:35.520 right away thinking they're gonna save our organization, and not 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.000 only do they not save it. A lot of times 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.120 disaster happens, you know, like right now with the Giants, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.080 even though they kicked out Butts. So we can't I 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.840 can't talk too much about this year, but you're talking 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.679 about the you know Jones being the quarterback there. You know, 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.160 did he improve their position at all by drafting him 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.480 in the first round and making him play from snap one? 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:57.480 You know, these are kind of things that are the 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.760 prevalent in the NFL. But how successful is it making 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.320 these teams? Well, that's my point. Here's the double edged sword. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:10.439 Did that number one? You're right drafting him and throwing 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.080 them in there before they're ready, and you ruin a quarterback, right, 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:18.640 that's the problem. But the problem is because you take 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.439 a guy with the first, second, third pick in the draft, 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.159 everybody expects you to start the guy right away, and 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.439 I think a lot of quarterback careers have been ruined 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.119 by that. But on the other side, what happens is 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.840 if you're not taking a quarterback in the first round, 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:39.520 and because everybody needs a quarterback, I guarantee you the 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:45.240 rate of failure from the third round down is pretty 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:49.600 darn high. So there's just not enough quarterbacks and you 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:54.159 better get one in the first round. Traditionally, right, the 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:58.159 odds are with you that you're gonna hit, but the 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.920 odds of hitting with somebody after the second round not 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:06.639 real good. That's why the Dak Prescott thing is almost 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.919 a minor miracle. Uh these days in there it really is. 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.600 No Well, that's that's certain circumstances brought him down to 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:16.840 the fourth round. You know that where he made a 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.679 couple of mistakes. I think in college, I think you 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:22.160 have dw I is something that affected everything and so 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:26.600 he dropped for some really really far because of that. 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.199 In fraction if I'm not mistaken, but I'm sure that 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.520 if you take a look at some examples of a 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.159 team that decided that, you know what, we're gonna go 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.720 against the Grand We're not gonna pick a quarterback. We're 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:40.800 gonna go with one of the baddest offensive tackles we 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.080 have in college right now, or one of the baddest 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:48.200 linebackers we have. And so the culture is shifted now 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:51.240 they say, Okay, we're gonna start with the offensive lineman first, 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.840 or we're gonna show up our defense first, and then 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.920 we're gonna go to the importance of having a quarterback. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.320 They're happy teams that have gone that woll correct and 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.879 been successful at it. They created the whole new culture 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.800 in the organization. Not a lot of them. All right, 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.679 well you're go ahead, Mickey. No, I just said, not 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.760 a lot of them have gone that route. It's like, 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:19.960 let me get the quarterback, then I'll fill in after that. Okay, 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.879 let me let me throw this in. All right, I've 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.560 got I'm doing my little research here as you've been 0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:30.720 talking on. All right, these are quarterback. These are the 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:35.600 number one overall quarterbacks. Okay, they're not all of the 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.120 first rounders that I've been able to research while you've 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:43.160 been talking, but the recent number one overall draft pick quarterbacks, 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.520 and how did their team do the season that they 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:51.840 were drafted? Okay, and Joe Burrow. Last year the Bengals 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.960 went four eleven and one. Kyler Murray the year before 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.000 five ten and one is what the Cardinals went. Baker 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:03.520 Mayfield the year before, the Browns went seven, eight and one. 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:09.879 That year, the year twenty and sixteen, Jared Goff, the 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:15.200 Rams went four and twelve. I believe that year, Okay, 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:21.120