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Speaker 1: A welcomed episode three oh five, we finally after years

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Speaker 1: Stab of Creed Arms wide open man. We did an hour.

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Speaker 1: I had never met Scott's Stabb before, but it was

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about getting up forever. Huh. He came in.

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Speaker 1: like day like, I'm sitting six ft away from Scott's death. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it's an hour long. We didn't know. Sometimes people

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Speaker 1: hoped or I'm having a bad day or they're having

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Speaker 1: and he didn't do many interviews. So pretty proud of

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Speaker 1: I mean, he talks about it all, that they're unheard of,

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Speaker 1: How he dealt with being called the most hated band

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Speaker 1: in America, you know, finding peace in his family. All

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Speaker 1: that's coming up. Just I love this episode. I hope

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Speaker 1: The New Music top five for the week, The Kid

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Speaker 1: Leroy and Justin Bieber have a new song called stay Here.

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Speaker 1: It is nobody else as good as when I'm Away

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Speaker 1: from You on Missie and the Other Reason I Believe It.

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Speaker 1: Number four. Zach Brown Band released two new songs. One

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Speaker 1: it's called Out in the Middle and this one is

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Speaker 1: called old Love Song, Damn Keep Falling, Say Nothing at

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Speaker 1: All Girl, put your records on, let me on song

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Speaker 1: Post Malone has a new song I'll called Motley Crue.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna play Serious Can with Dang Mary Can with

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Speaker 1: to hang out the role. Number two. Lauren Jenkins has

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Speaker 1: an EP out called Miles on Me Part One. Here

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Speaker 1: is a new song called She's a Star. Jesus, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: Oh Kiss he tech you she has and my number

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Speaker 1: one new release of the week is Kaylee Shore. She

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Speaker 1: has a new song out called love Child. She also

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Speaker 1: has a podcast you can check out called uh So

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Speaker 1: too Much, too Much, too much to say With Kaylee Shore,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna say so much to say that today, Matthews

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Speaker 1: band song, do you know that? So much to say

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Speaker 1: so much? What? I don't know that song? So much

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Speaker 1: to say so much to say a minute Internet at

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Speaker 1: nothing nothing day. Uh. In quick music News, Mark Chestnut

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Speaker 1: cancels concerts to have back surgery. So if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: go watch Mark Chestnut and a little nineties country tour,

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Speaker 1: Budoo Boop will be having it. Hopefully he gets better soon.

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Speaker 1: HBO Max drops a trailer for the Woodstock documentary. HBO

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Speaker 1: Max is doing the new documentary premiering on July, Woodstock,

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Speaker 1: Love and Rage about how they didn't go that well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it looks crazy, looks if I were comparing it. The

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Speaker 1: analogy is sort of fire Firefest based in a different way.

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Speaker 1: I guess that would be uh and um. Scott Steps

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Speaker 1: in the band, Um Corn, Limbiscuit, Chili Pepper's Rage, Kid Rock, Metallic,

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Speaker 1: A Day of Atlantis, Insane clown posse. Uh. Those were

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Speaker 1: Billie Eilish's brother Phineas was the number one songwriter on

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Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. Listen to the podcast about him

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Speaker 1: on the Disgrace Land by the way, which is a

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Speaker 1: good podcast here when he came in here. But that's

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Speaker 1: interesting cause he's not alive anymore. That wasn't a good dude, No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. Bruno mars Ariana Grande are banned in Indonesia.

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Speaker 1: songs from are air waves. Could what would be? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Not for not for hearing today, there's some real turns

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Speaker 1: come back with an hour with Scott's staff of Creed.

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Speaker 1: Let's play a few create clips by the way, all right,

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Speaker 1: before we get into it here, what do you have?

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Speaker 1: You have? Um my own prison? Here you go Sunday morning.

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Speaker 1: Come on, do you have? What's this laughe for? Come on?

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Speaker 1: Do you have with arms wide open? Yeah? Do you have?

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Speaker 1: What you having? Away? There? You got for my friends?

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Speaker 1: Enough thinking? Okay, what else? M my sacrifice? Me um free? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well down memory lane there you go. Scott staff of Creed.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up, all right, with Scott's staff of Creed.

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Speaker 1: And most of the time when friends come over, their

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Speaker 1: and so it's awesome. Man, we're neighbors. Bro, you drove

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Speaker 1: I think, except I'm embarrassed. I was like nineteen, it

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Speaker 1: gig though he actually got to a gig, got to

426
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: a gig like he he fooled us just long enough

427
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: to get to to like one gig, I believe, if

428
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: my memory serves me. And then Mark came to me

429
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: afterwards and he goes, dude, Karns didn't play the entire night,

430
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: and I was like what and uh, you know, so

431
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 1: we let him go and and uh, you know, eventually

432
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: got Brian and and and Scott and and man, really

433
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: we were just kind of a you know jam. Scott

434
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: Phillips had this cool little rental house, uh that he

435
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: rented while he was going to school and and working

436
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: and and it had this outdoor concrete like garage but

437
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even almost like a basement, but

438
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: it was like outdoors and separate from the house, just

439
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: a solid concrete room. Uh. And we would go out

440
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: there and and uh and just jam and write and

441
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: rehearse and rehearse, but we never played out uh. And

442
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: so finally we began to play out. Where did you

443
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: get your first gig? I believe it was a place

444
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: called Yanni's And what if I if I remember correct

445
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: not it was either Yawny's or or or Oh man, no,

446
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: yeah it wasn't you. I'm trying to remember. Did you

447
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: have a name? Then we we went through a couple

448
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: We went through a few names. I mean we we

449
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: didn't really have a definitive name. I mean we we

450
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: had some stupid ideas. Um I mean backbone, I mean,

451
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, how cool is that? Right? But would have

452
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: been the hit, would have been like that normal? And

453
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: then we had this crazy name that that you know,

454
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: Mark had this idea and he goes, I've always had

455
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: this idea for a band name. And he pulls out

456
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: this newspaper article from his wallet and it said Naked

457
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: Toddler and he had always and he thought Naked Toddler

458
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: would be a killer band name. And and literally, man,

459
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: he carried the article in his wallet and he pulls

460
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: it out. So we're like, all right, let's be Naked Toddler.

461
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: And so we went and played a gig and they

462
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: had Naked Toddler on the on the billboard. Uh and uh,

463
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: I didn't go over too. Well, a lot of people

464
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: didn't show up. I think the name kind of I

465
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: think I was gonna show up. I may have not

466
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of kind of scared them, but but you know,

467
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: no one was really showing up to see us anyway.

468
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: We were really just like playing at at bars, you know,

469
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: playing covers, uh, throwing in you know, an original here.

470
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: They're just trying to figure out our sound and our style. UM.

471
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: And so eventually, uh, Brian Marshall, our bass player, Uh,

472
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: he came and he said, you know, I used to

473
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: be in a band called Maddox Creed and UH. When

474
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: he said that, I instantly gravitated to the word creed. Uh,

475
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, being the lyricist and and you know, writing

476
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: the songs that it just fit with how I was

477
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: writing and the songs that that Mark and I were

478
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: creating in the lyrics that I was coming up with. Uh,

479
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: and I go, let's keep the Creed part. Man. I

480
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: love that, And so we all agreed and Creed became

481
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: the name. Uh. And then we continued to uh to

482
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: play out. I think we played out at a place

483
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: called Big Daddy's uh Yawny's. Uh. There was another UM

484
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: club there that like all the the you know, regional

485
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: traveling bands. Uh. You know, Butch Walker, who's a big

486
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: producer now. Uh, he was in a band um and

487
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember their band name, but he eventually it

488
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: was Marvelous Three, but he was in one prior to that,

489
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: and we used to go see them all the time.

490
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: And Butch was such an amazing performer. Uh so so

491
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: charismatic and and so I remember watching him going, man,

492
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: I want to bring that energy to what I do,

493
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: you know. And I was inspired by by him. Uh.

494
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: And then John Hopkins, who went on to be a

495
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: founding member of oh what's the band name? Um, Big

496
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: Country Act. Ah. I can't believe it just slipped my mind, right,

497
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: But John Hopkins was playing with a friend and and

498
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: they were acoustic um and uh he inspired me. Uh too.

499
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: There was a lot of great musicians and artists uh

500
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: that went on to have a pretty successful careers um

501
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: in the entertainment business. You know. Butch Walker is a

502
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: famous producer now and and and John Hopkins, Uh if

503
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: you google him, Zack Brown band, that's right, co founder

504
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Zack Brown Band. Um. And he was a solo artist

505
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: at the time. And uh so that was the scene. UM,

506
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: and then Sister Hazel was coming through and UH and

507
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: the owners of the bar. UH also met the owners

508
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: of one of the bars that we played at. Managed

509
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: was a co manager of Sister Hazel or knew their manager.

510
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: There was some connection there, UH. And so he came

511
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: to us. His name was Jeff Hansen, UH and he said, Hey,

512
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: I want to manage you guys. Do you have a

513
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: CD uh? And we're like no, and he goes, well,

514
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: he hooked us up with this local UH engineer producer

515
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: who was kind of a regional star, UH, you know,

516
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years earlier, named John Kerswig, And we put

517
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: in a hundred dollars a week or or fifty dollars

518
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: a week and started recording. Uh. And was that my

519
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: own prison? The first was to my own prison? Yeah,

520
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: And you guys did that. And again I'm just gonna

521
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: be a fan for a second, and maybe a fan

522
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: slightly wrong, but you guys did that on such a budget.

523
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: We're like five six seven dollars for the whole record,

524
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: right right. It ended up costing that much, and I

525
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: believe we borrowed the difference in what we needed from

526
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: Brian Marshall's dad. You you borrowed money, but we were

527
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: putting in money ourselves. But I think I can't remember exactly,

528
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: but we borrowed money to get it pressed, like to

529
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: buy our first run of CDs, and also finished the project.

530
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: And how old were you at this time? I want

531
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: to say twenty two three, somewhere in the probably twenty

532
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: three when we got that finished. So you finished it

533
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: with it. Listen, it takes six grand to cut, now, right,

534
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do a record six You finished the

535
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: whole thing for we'll say, roughly six thousand dollars. Whenever

536
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: you gave it to him or gave it to people

537
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: where they like, wow, this is amazing. We started getting

538
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: that reaction in the local radio station. UH started playing

539
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: my Own Prison on on the locals only show UH,

540
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: and then another station in Thomasville, Georgia started playing another

541
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: song off the record called Pity for a Dime that

542
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: was their single, UH, and we started getting noticed from

543
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, the l A and New York record companies

544
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: when UH My Own Prison went number one at the

545
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: Tallahassee rock station and Pity for a Dime went number

546
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: one at the thomas Phil, Georgia rock station. UM and

547
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: then we got it. I think we got like ten

548
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: thousand CDs printed. Were you still paying for that the

549
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: ten thousand CDs or it's somebody Well, I think that

550
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: was part of the sixth grand got it Okay? So

551
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: when you paid for all of it, you you had

552
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: ten thousand cis. Got it right, right? I think? I

553
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: think the sixth Grand encompassed not only making the record,

554
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: but also getting the first ten thousand pressing. I believe.

555
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: How fast were they selling? Well, we went, we took

556
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: them out to well, we invented a record company called

557
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: Blue Collar Records, and uh, our managers and and some

558
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: friends of ours would go to the record stores as

559
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: blue Collar Records representatives, um and uh, you know, because

560
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: we wanted to get him to sell our CDs. And

561
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: so we put them in the stores and we sold

562
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: all ten thousand CDs in the first four weeks. And

563
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: that's when the label started coming to Tallahassee because that

564
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, it flagged on their on their sound scan,

565
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: you know. And who is this band that sold you know,

566
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: ten thousand albums uh last month? Uh? And so you

567
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: know that's when it started. So I'm gonna take one

568
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: step back because I am curious about that. You know,

569
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: how you guys blew up, But I'm always curious and

570
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: how it started and kind of the genesis of songwriting.

571
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: If you had never written music and you've written I

572
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: mean I listed all the just the massive songs of them,

573
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: basically everything. How I have songwriter friends have been doing

574
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: their whole life. I have written hit and they're really good.

575
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: You hadn't done it at all, and then you started

576
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: writing songs and you have so many, Like how easily

577
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: or was it not easy for you to start writing

578
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: songs that actually were good, catchy songs with hooks? You know?

579
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: I think I think we wrote probably seven or eight

580
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: songs that, you know, in trying to find our sound.

581
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: And then we wrote a song called grip My Soul,

582
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: which never made a record, should have, but it didn't

583
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: make the record. We didn't record it, or maybe we

584
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: did record it, but it didn't make the record. That

585
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: might have been our eighth or ninth song. And I

586
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: remember when we wrote that song, we all looked at

587
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: each other, and Mark and I specifically, and we're like, Okay,

588
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: we got it. We figured this is it. We figured

589
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: it out. Um And from that moment on, uh, what

590
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: you hear on My Prison was written we I mean

591
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: literally only probably once we figured out what our sound

592
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: was from Gripped my Soul to what was recorded on

593
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: my own prison. Um, I mean we probably only wrote

594
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: fourteen songs and and total since Mark and I were together,

595
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: maybe twenty songs, which is a very low number. For

596
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: those were the first twenty songs I had ever written

597
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: in my life. And that's my point exactly. Like I

598
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: have friends that have been doing it for twenty years.

599
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: They wrote they write sixty songs for a record. Now.

600
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of, man, is that

601
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: that you know, the the artist that I list into,

602
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, being YouTube also you know growing up listening uh,

603
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, the only thing that was allowed in my

604
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: home growing up was was Christian rock or Christian artists, um.

605
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: And so you know, I would listen to a lot

606
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: of Takes six and I think that's who taught me

607
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: how to sing, because I would sing along with those

608
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: records and sing every vocal part on that record. And

609
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: then d C Talk, which is became which became which

610
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: became Toby mac um that was allowed in my house.

611
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: And and then you too because the same thing that

612
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: people ended up doing with Creed that we're in Christian homes,

613
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: saying wait wait there, Christian band, mom and dad, even

614
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: though Creed wasn't an official Christian band, just like you

615
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: too is not a Christian band, but Bono is a

616
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: Christian um. And so I snuck Josh Retreat, got it

617
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: into my house and was able to listen to that

618
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: by telling my parents that they were a Christian band.

619
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: But I think those those bands that I listened to

620
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: growing up. Stryper was another one. Uh that was was

621
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: a jam uh in my house. But I think all

622
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: that was just imprinted in my brain. I think song

623
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: structure and how to write songs based on those records

624
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: was just imprinted in my brain. Mark the same way

625
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: Mark was, He was much more. He was much different

626
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: than me, and that Mark knew what he wanted to

627
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: do when he was probably ten or eleven years old.

628
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: Mark knew he wanted to be in a rock band,

629
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: play guitar and write songs and be a singer and

630
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: a guitar player. He knew, um at least that that's

631
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: how I recall it. And so he he he, he

632
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: knew all these bands that I had never heard of.

633
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: He you know, he learned all. You know, he probably

634
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: knew hundreds and hundreds of songs on guitar, you know,

635
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: by learning him on tab and and just listening and

636
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: playing them. So of course that taught him song structure

637
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: and and taught him. So I think me just just

638
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: hearing that in him, I think we just inherently new

639
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: structure and how to put a song together, um and

640
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: and and then it just came out once we got together.

641
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: We didn't think too much about it. We never sat

642
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: down and thought, um, let's write a radio song, or

643
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: or we need to do this. We we were just like, hey,

644
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: that's the verse, that's the chorus, that's this. We never

645
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: we never put any pressure on ourselves and we just

646
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: wrote what made us feel good because in the beginning

647
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: we were just playing for us. You know what I mean,

648
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: my own prison. I'm gonna play a few of these

649
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: hooks here here is actually my own prison. That's whenever

650
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: I hear a song from like when I mean like

651
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I felt, then music does that. Like

652
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: when you hear a song that reminds you of a

653
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: really big part of your life, for a second, you

654
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: feel that part of your life again. And this record

655
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: does that to me? Is the record in general? Torn?

656
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Here's a clip of Dorm. What's This Life for? Whis what?

657
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: Which was a rock number one for you guys? Was

658
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: this a big separator for you guys? Did this one

659
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: turn you guys from a national known band to like

660
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: a whoa, here they come? I think, you know, My

661
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: Own Prison went all four of our first singles went

662
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: number one at rock, and I think it was a

663
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: build um and then you know, my Own Prison was

664
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: our first video that was on MTV and v H

665
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: one UM and then What's This Life For? I think

666
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: was our second video that was on MTV n v

667
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: H one, and it was more of a It had

668
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: more of a appeal to a wider audience. What's this

669
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: Life Ford? Did? I think that's when I felt other

670
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: people were knowing about you get because the edge Dallas.

671
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: I would have a friend record take a cassette tape

672
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: because your kids now don't know you do record, play

673
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: pause and you undo pause, you record what's on the radio.

674
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: And I have a friend send it to me and

675
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: he was like, you gotta hear Creed, What's this Life For?

676
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, I already been known about Creed

677
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: but I felt like that song. Yeah, I definitely, I

678
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: definitely think that that just you know, expanded it even further.

679
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: And I think the video had had a lot to

680
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: do do with that too, And I think it was

681
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: it was really palatable, um, you know, to a wider audience. Um.

682
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: And I think we began to see our audience by

683
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: by the time What's this Life for? And then once one,

684
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: the song one became a single and and had its time,

685
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: our audience really expanded from and was a mix of

686
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: men and women. And initially it was just you know dudes, um,

687
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: based on our first two singles, you know, into heavy

688
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, heavy aggressive rock. But those two songs showed

689
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: a different side of the band and began to really

690
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: open up our audience. Uh. And then you know the

691
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: next record, you know, with higher and did you fill

692
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: the rocket ship for the first record you make it?

693
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: You don't spend a lot of money on it, but

694
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: you're hustling, right, you got fake representatives going to record stores.

695
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you aren't in the hustle, right. Do you

696
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: feel the rocket ship or do you just realize, oh boy,

697
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: we're on it now. We expected it. We we were

698
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: so at least I did. I had this blind confidence

699
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: and and I had these blinders on, and I just

700
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: thought that it was going to happen. I just had

701
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: such belief in the music that we were creating. And

702
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: then once we made the CD, and then once the

703
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: record label started coming down, I just thought that, Hey,

704
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: here it is. We're gonna be playing arenas soon. That's

705
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: what happens. That's what happens when you get a record

706
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: deal and you get on the radio, you play arenas.

707
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: That that's idea. I had no idea that that was

708
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: only the beginning, and and the chances of you you know,

709
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: even making it past your first single were slim to none.

710
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: You know, I was so naive. Um. But I think

711
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: that was a that was actually a benefit to me

712
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: at the time because it took away any fear or

713
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: doub out or or or anything that could stand in

714
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: the way of of me, uh, you know, achieving uh

715
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: and and giving what I needed to give from my

716
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: standpoint to make it happen. And I think it was contagious,

717
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: uh to the guys in the band, um, and and

718
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: we all just had this belief, um in what we

719
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: were doing, and and uh, we didn't we didn't think

720
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: it would turn out any other way. With you guys

721
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: having your music already made and knowing who you were

722
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: as a band, did that make your first deal easier

723
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: to actually know what you wanted to not get ripped off? Well,

724
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: here here's another funny story or not funny story. But

725
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: we almost didn't have a record deal. We had literally

726
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: every major label interested, um, and then one by one

727
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: they started bowing out because I don't know, Uh, they

728
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: just they're interested, They're down, they're talking with our managers,

729
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: their meetings, they're talking with our big New York lawyer

730
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: that we had. Uh. They got everybody signed, uh, you know,

731
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: and one by one they would bail. And then it

732
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: came down to Atlantic Records. Uh, and the two Nicks

733
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: that we were talking to, and we were in their offices,

734
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: uh meetings, New York back and we were a percent

735
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: sure that that, you know, it was going to be

736
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Atlantic Records, and uh, you know, negotiations were going on

737
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. I think they ended up signing

738
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: a band instead of us called Seven Mary three right

739
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: and uh. And so we were like, oh my god,

740
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Everybody dropping? Do you do

741
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: you know I have no idea and uh then this

742
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: little company never signed a band before. Ah. A woman

743
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: named Diana Meltzer and her husband Alan Meltzer. They had

744
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: just started a label called wind Up Records, and somehow,

745
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: I think through our lawyer are Blue Collar Records c

746
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: D got in Diana Meltzer's hands and she heard it

747
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: and she's was a convinced that this She had to

748
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: sign this band. She had to sign this band. Uh.

749
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: So she told her husband Alan, I'm going to tell

750
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: haassee and I'm signing this band. Whether you come with

751
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: me or not. He came. He ended up listening to

752
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: the c D. He loved it. They came. Um, you

753
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: know it was so funny. I remember looking in the

754
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: crowd and you know, there wasn't that many people there

755
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: at that particular time. Um, and they looked like they

756
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: were in the mafia. You know. There was there was

757
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: this little guy in an all black suit, you know,

758
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: New York looking guy, and and his wife and all

759
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: black and and and we were like, whoa, who are

760
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: these two mafia people in the crowd And they were

761
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: standing in the center and they were just rocking out,

762
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, and then we our managers came

763
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: and said, Uh, there's some record company folks that want

764
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: to meet with you guys afterwards. So we went to

765
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: this bar next door and it had like a rooftop bar,

766
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: and we went up there and we talked and and

767
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: they said we want to sign you. And this is

768
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: right after we had, you know, been basically passed on

769
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: by everybody else, and we had no other option. Uh.

770
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: And in looking back, it was the greatest thing that

771
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: could ever happen to us because this man was a

772
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: very successful businessman and he was starting a new business

773
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: and we got all the attention from his company, and

774
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: he did not want to fail. And he was a gambler.

775
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: We didn't learn that until later on in life that

776
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: he was a gambler. Uh. But he put all his

777
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: resources uh into into the band. Uh and uh but

778
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: again we had no we had no other options, so

779
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: we we took it and uh, you know, again naive,

780
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: but he knew what he was doing. Uh. And so

781
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: we signed with little little wind Up Records, the engine

782
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: that could uh and uh the rest is history. Did

783
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: you guys make any money off the first record after

784
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: signing with them? Because it did so well? Uh? Yeah,

785
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: money started coming in yeah, I mean we we we

786
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: didn't have a very good deal. It's a bad deal.

787
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: What about your publishing from writing the song? Did you

788
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: get paid from that differently? Uh? We we got paid. No,

789
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: we we got publishing, we got recording, we got royalties. Um,

790
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: we just got a tiny advance and and just probably

791
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, your basic crappy record deal that that was

792
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: probably pretty standard in in n um you know, I

793
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: mean our publishing deal. We still owned you know, the

794
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: vast majority of our publishing of course, um. And and

795
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: then had the typical probably standard record deal. Um. But

796
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: the record you know went six times platinum, h I believe.

797
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: And so we definitely um, you know recouped because they

798
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: used our demo. Man, they didn't just use the record

799
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: spent six right, and so we had nothing to recoup

800
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: except you know, the a couple of music videos, uh

801
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: and maybe some tour support early on. And so yeah,

802
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, our lives changed really quick. You know what

803
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: is that like you talk about a rocket ship? When

804
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: your lives changed so quickly, do you go crazy or

805
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: are you scared? It was? It was happening uh, so fast,

806
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: and it was so awesome and it was such a

807
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: high and so exciting. Uh, and our dreams were coming true.

808
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: We were just enjoying every minute of it. Man, Um,

809
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: without the thought of of it could ever end. You know,

810
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: we were just caught up in it. Did you guys

811
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: get a plane eventually? Yeah? After after Human Clay we

812
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: had a plane. We had a G five. Um you

813
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, man, I mean it. But

814
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Human Clay was so big, like it was next level.

815
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: When when Higher comes out, I mean just that drum

816
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: part and you singing like that to me personifies that

817
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: whole like to your two thousand like time period in music,

818
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: I mean Higher, what's and here's the we'll play the

819
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: club of Higher because you've a eleven under a rock

820
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: or your twelve? Was this another level for you guys

821
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: with a song? Ye, this took us. This took us

822
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: to another level. Um, it took us higher pun intended.

823
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. And then you know there was another

824
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: song on this record. What if that was tied in

825
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: with the Scream three movie? Uh? And so we did

826
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: a video, uh with all the screen three you know,

827
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: actors and and and and that also you know, to

828
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: have that title track for a soundtrack and and the

829
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: whole movie machine behind that gave us exposure to you know,

830
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: another great greater portion of the world, and and uh

831
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: and then higher and then you know, and then the

832
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: grand slam that just took it, you know, to the stratosphere.

833
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: Um was armed wide open, which which came later. I

834
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: remember vividly that heartbeat and I don't know if it

835
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: was a radio version or the album version, but it

836
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, yeah, then well I just heard that.

837
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: The heartbeat still sits with me, like that song comes out,

838
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: because that was a number one pop song too, Like

839
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: that's you beating everybody right again. It had to be

840
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: just another notch of what is happening with our life

841
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: right now. It was we were in it and enjoying,

842
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: enjoying it and just living it. And and like I,

843
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, we or at least I let

844
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: me just speak for me. I thought that's what was

845
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: supposed to happen to a band when they got a

846
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: record deal and got on the radio. I didn't realize

847
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: until years later that that's not what happens to every

848
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: band that gets a record deal and gets on the radio.

849
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: But in that moment I did so I thought everything

850
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: that was happening was just what was supposed to happen,

851
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Um, what would you go

852
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: back and tell that kid? Though? Now? Oh man, I

853
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: could tell that kid a lot, um man, appreciate ah

854
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: the people around you. Let him know even though you

855
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: may appreciate them, let them know on a regular basis. Uh.

856
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: You know, I was so caught up in and and

857
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, I had a lot of anxiety. Uh. That's

858
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: one issue that I dealt with, you know. And so

859
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: every day that we had a big show in front

860
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: of an arena crowd or wherever, you know, I was

861
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: nervous all day long. And so I would I would

862
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of isolate myself because I was just nervous and

863
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to mess up and whatnot. Uh. And so

864
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: I would tell that guy, hey, chill man, and and

865
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: and just appreciate the people around you more and let

866
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: them know, you know. And I did periodically, but I

867
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: would do more. Um also also spend more time h

868
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: nurturing all the relationships that you make uh in this business. Um.

869
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: You know, I was so caught up in what I

870
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: had to do and in the in creed and in

871
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: writing the songs. Uh. And you know that I think

872
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: the peripheral things I didn't pay enough attention to that,

873
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, as a more mature human being now I

874
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: realized are so important. I mean, it takes a team.

875
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't just the band that was doing everything. Uh,

876
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: it's it's the team. Um. And so you know, I

877
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: think I would definitely and and also I would have

878
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: would I would have told myself, um, you know, two

879
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: look at it. This is a job too, you know

880
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. And and it's not just one big party,

881
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, uh. And so definitely have a lot

882
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: of things to say to my younger self about relationships,

883
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: about taking care of my myself mentally and physically. Um.

884
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: And and just appreciating every moment and the people around me,

885
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: like I said, um, and and preserving and nurturing um,

886
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: those those relationships, despite what I was going through at

887
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: the time. Would you get nervous when a record would

888
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: come out because you know my own prison, Probably not

889
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: because you hustled. But then after it's a success and

890
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: human Clay is about to come out or whether it's

891
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: about to come out, are you like, well, we gotta

892
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: beat the last one, or you just go and let's

893
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: just go fire them off. We were in such a

894
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: rapid motion from making a record, promoting singles tour right

895
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: back in the studio. We we wrote Human Clay on

896
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: tour because we only had like ten or eleven song

897
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: us to play and and so we were like, we

898
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: gotta write some more songs. So we were playing um,

899
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, say I and Faceless Man and and some

900
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: other songs off of Human Play eventually Arms Wide Open,

901
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: Um and probably even higher uh live prior to recording

902
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: them on the album UM. And so you know, we

903
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of would see how the fans would react. You know,

904
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: they were getting positive reactions, and so we just we

905
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: weren't thinking about failure. We we we never we never

906
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: thought about that. Uh, looking back, We just were so

907
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: focused on what we were doing in that moment and

908
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: that the doubt didn't come in. We didn't we didn't

909
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: set any expectations on ourselves. With Arms Wide Open written

910
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: about your son, Yes, it was about it was It

911
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: was inspired when I found out I was going to

912
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: be a father for the first time. Is he an

913
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: adult now? Yes? Why wild? That's what I'm like? How

914
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: old am I? As one of those moments where you're like, well, yeah,

915
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: well it's it's funny that that you know, my other

916
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: three children, Um, they all know the song, and it's

917
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of you know, it's a family song. Now,

918
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: it's for all of it's for all of it's for

919
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: all of you, you know what I mean. It's just

920
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: inspired by your big brother, but it's for you too,

921
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: you know. When you when you play dates now, when

922
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: you're doing solo dates, which by the way, August five

923
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: and St. Charles, Illinois, August six, in Mankato, Minnesota, August fourteenth,

924
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: and Carlton, Minnesota, do you do all the Creed songs? I?

925
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: I do a lot of them. Yeah, I do. I

926
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: I pretty much do like a solo song and Creed song,

927
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: a solo song and Creed song. Uh so because you know,

928
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: the fans that are there are started out with me

929
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: uh liking Creed uh and you know, I want to

930
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: give them. I'm I'm there to entertain and give the

931
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: fans what they want. Uh And and I still enjoy

932
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: playing those songs. I love them, uh and so it

933
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: feels good to play them, and it's great to be

934
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: able to mix that up with my solo material and

935
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the fans have have responded well

936
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: to that your latest project, The Space between the Shadows.

937
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: Whenever you are making a solo record, Like, what are

938
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: you seeing differently than when you would make a collaborative

939
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: record with the band, Like how are you approaching that create?

940
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: And how did you Because that's got to be a

941
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: big creative change when you first started doing your solo project,

942
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: Like what was different in your mind and in your

943
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: creative process? Well, I mean the creative process with Creed

944
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: was primarily Mark and I would go away alone um

945
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: and and write the songs and then come back and

946
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: jam them with the band, um and. So I just

947
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: that's the only way that I knew how to write,

948
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: you know. It was that kind of one on one relationship.

949
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: Uh And, So I just took that into my solo

950
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: and and would find guys that that I connected with,

951
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: uh and and right that way, So I just recreated

952
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the same, you know, the same writing scenario. You know,

953
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: now as I've gotten older, I love to collaborate with

954
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: various people. Sometimes it will be three guys in a

955
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: room jam, and sometimes it will be four, uh and

956
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: and that's that's fun, you know. And and moving to Nashville,

957
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: and and and writing here has really opened up. Uh,

958
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, my my outlook and thoughts on on songwriting

959
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: and how to write songs and and love having as

960
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: many I mean, if there's six guys in a room, man,

961
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: and we're and we're all just like, hey, man, let's

962
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: write a song, would do it? You know? And that's

963
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: why I love about Nashville. Uh and uh and and

964
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: so you know it's changed in that regard. Uh And

965
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: I think it's it's changed in a good way. Are

966
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: now yeah, I'm writing now. I'm actually leaving here to

967
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: go to a session to write for my next record.

968
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: Are recording now? Um? Nope, just writing. I mean I

969
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: may record a demo if we finished something and you know,

970
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: just to get the idea down. And what's funny is

971
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: on my last solo record, UM, a lot of those

972
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: demo vocals that I that I recorded in that moment

973
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 1: at that time, same day, you know, within the two

974
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: hours of writing the song ended up being the final vocals. Um.

975
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: And I'm finding that that doing that sometimes you can't

976
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: recreate the magic of that emotion that comes out in

977
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: that moment. Uh. And so thankfully we record them. Uh.

978
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: Even when we're making the demos we record the vocals

979
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: like they could be right, you know, final. And that's

980
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: another Nashville thing. As you start to do these solo shows.

981
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's Creed as a unit. Will you guys

982
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: ever play a band show again? I don't know, man,

983
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean I don't see why not. But you're not

984
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: broken up right now? You're just not to get am

985
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: I right on this. I wouldn't say that we are

986
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: broken up. No, I would say we are on an

987
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: extended hiatus. Um. You know, I I've recently uh spoken

988
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 1: with Mark and and Flip and and you know we

989
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: we stay in touch, not not like I don't want

990
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: to mislead anybody. You know, It's not like we're we're

991
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: texting every day or calling every day, but you know

992
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: we reach out um on holidays and birthdays, and we

993
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: have ongoing business that we handle. But you wouldn't be

994
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: asposed to ever getting back together again to play shows? No?

995
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely not so much. Oh no, absolutely not. I would.

996
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to that at all. I mean, it

997
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: just has to be the right um, the right time,

998
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: uh and and I I think you know, the right

999
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: the right energy and vibe uh and and it has

1000
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: to be authentic uh, in organic uh and and we

1001
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: all have to be in the right place to do it.

1002
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: And I and I think we're close to that, you know,

1003
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't see any reason why, um

1004
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: that couldn't happen uh in the near future. You know,

1005
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: when you see someone gets so popular, it doesn't matter

1006
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: what it is, what if it's a writer or an artist,

1007
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: like I love Coldplay. Cold plays on my favorite bands,

1008
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: and the fact that people can hate on Coldplay just

1009
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: because they're so famous, that's like the platform continues to

1010
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: rise till so many people see you that you're just

1011
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna get enough haters. I have to tell my fiance

1012
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: that now because she didn't want the public life at all,

1013
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: but because she's with me, she now has two Instagram followers,

1014
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: and she people will come at her. She's like, I

1015
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: didn't do anything right. She's like, I don't want to,

1016
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: Like people are death threats talking to how ugly she

1017
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: is and she's not ugly at all, and she shouldn't

1018
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: be killed, you know. And so I'm like, you know,

1019
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: your platform, even though you don't want it, has been raised,

1020
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: and so more people see you, people get jealous. You

1021
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: had to feel that at some point where you guys

1022
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:43,439
Speaker 1: were so big ya felt that um and and it

1023
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: it hurt UM for a number of years once once

1024
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: things turned from you know, I'll never forget uh. You know,

1025
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: I've got an article framed, uh in in one of

1026
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: my rooms where I keep stuff, and it says, you know,

1027
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: creed in Scott Staff or this summer's rock and roll Saviors. Okay,

1028
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: So we went from those type of headlines to literally,

1029
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, the most hated band in America. And it

1030
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: was weird, like going from those two extremes. Um. And

1031
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: it hurt because you didn't understand why. Um. And it

1032
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: also hey that that's not a part of what the

1033
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: rock and roll dream is supposed to be. That. Did

1034
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: that happen to Zeppelin? Did that happen to the Doors?

1035
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: Did that happen to YouTube? Did that you start asking

1036
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: those questions. I'm not saying that we're in that category

1037
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: of those bands at all, but you know, we we

1038
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: we were pretty big band at the time, and um,

1039
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, and and and some of the hate you know,

1040
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm human man, and and you know it it hurt

1041
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: and and you know, and I took it personal, uh

1042
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: for a number of years and you know, and then

1043
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: there was a number of years where I got angry

1044
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: about it. Uh. And I'm the type of person that, uh,

1045
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, gets angry and and says, well, screw you now,

1046
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna screw myself. And so instead of lashing out

1047
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: at them, I actually lashed out at myself. So I

1048
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: began to self sabotage. Uh. And you know, and that's

1049
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: when I began to kind of you know, when I

1050
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: would feel down and got to got into depression, began

1051
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: to you know, you know, drink and do things that

1052
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: that would lead to behaviors that were very out of

1053
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: character for me when I was under the influence, and

1054
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: it was just self sabotage and and it was it

1055
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: was dealing with with almost being without you know, I

1056
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: don't want to sound like a victim and in any sense,

1057
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 1: but I felt, you know, it was kind of traumatizing,

1058
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, uh, to be so elevated and then to

1059
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: have such hate. Uh. And it wasn't so much that

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00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: it was from the fans, because it wasn't from the fans,

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: from the media, and so it was public and it

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: was out there, and so it was embarrassing on one

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01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: regard publicly and then it hurt publicly. Uh. And then

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01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: I contributed to that by my inability to handle that.

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01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't equipped uh emotionally or or with the maturity,

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01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: and did not have the people around me for support

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: um that I needed to to advise me. Uh. You know,

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01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm sitting right here. Uh. And and my publicist Tiffany

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01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: is here. My god, had I had her in, man,

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01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, had I had my wife Jacqueline, Uh. Oh,

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01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: my god, had I had my wife Jacqueline in you know,

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01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: so many things would have been different in my life.

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01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: But you know what, I probably would not have Milan

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01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: my daughter. I probably wouldn't have Daniel my son, or

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: Anthony my son. So things all happened the way they

1076
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: were supposed to happen. Man. Uh. And you know, of

1077
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: course there are things that I wish I could do

1078
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: different and change, uh, definitely with how I handled certain things,

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01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: how I handled some of the success, you know, with

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: the over partying and the over confidence and and sometimes

1081
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: the ego getting out of control, you know, and which

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01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: I looking back and now having a twenty two year

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: old son, I mean that's part of being twenty and

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: twenty four. Uh. So you know, he's not even you know,

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: playing arenas and he deals with those issues. So imagine

1086
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: throwing you know, money and on that. You know, I

1087
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: wish I could go back and be more mature and

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01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: and do those things. But but uh, you know, at

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: this point in my life, man, it's it's all about

1090
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: peace and and and happiness and enjoying what you do

1091
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: and all of those experiences that we just talked about,

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01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: that that, you know, the good and the bad, have

1093
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: led me to a place, uh today where you know,

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: I have an amazing wife and and four beautiful children

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01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: that I'm able to be a father too, and and

1096
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: and and coach little league and and uh, you know,

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: go to recitals for my daughter and play guitar with

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01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: my daughter. You know, my my daughters sitting in our

1099
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: music room and she's like, Dad checked this out and

1100
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: she's playing, arms wide open. Uh. And I'm like, oh,

1101
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: I can't wait to have you on stage with me

1102
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: playing at Of everything we talked about, what's funny is

1103
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,959
Speaker 1: of all the success and the songs and the blah

1104
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: blah blah, that where I saw you light up the

1105
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: absolute most was you talking about your kids. Absolutely, of

1106
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: all the success and the money and the records and

1107
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: the deals. You're like, yeah, that's but when you were

1108
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: talking about your kids and your family, that's in your

1109
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: face being went to a whole new place. Are you

1110
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: happy right now? Absolutely? I'm I'm happier today, uh than

1111
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: I think I've ever been in my entire life. And

1112
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: and that's that's the God's honest truth. I am a

1113
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: very very blessed and fortunate man. I have an amazing wife,

1114
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: I have an amazing children. I have an amazing family,

1115
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: people that speak truth into my life to make me

1116
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: a better human being. You know, I couldn't I couldn't

1117
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: ask for anymore. Uh. And and I'm thankful, so thankful

1118
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: and so grateful uh for the life that that that

1119
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: I was given, uh And for the fans and and

1120
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: and for the music industry that gave my music a

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01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: chance and an opportunity, uh and and all that that

1122
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: has afforded me. I mean, I tear up, man, because

1123
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so thankful uh and grateful uh for

1124
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: all that, but also just to be here uh and

1125
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: and to be able to sit in this moment here

1126
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: with you and talk about all this uh and reflect

1127
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: on it and realize you know what what a what

1128
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: a blessing and a gift that it was, and and

1129
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: and uh and just the opportunity that I could get

1130
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: to continue to do this man, Uh with all these

1131
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: other blessings. Um, I'm very blessed. And I hope that

1132
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: you know my story, uh, you know some some of

1133
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: the stuff that we haven't touched on. I hope that

1134
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: my story and and and then the music that that

1135
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: has inspired and will continue to inspire, UM, can can

1136
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: help someone else along the way, man, because life is

1137
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: not all about me uh and uh, it's it's about

1138
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: what I can give uh and what I can share

1139
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: and how I can help others uh and and that's

1140
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: what I feel my purpose uh is at this point

1141
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: in my life, aside from being a husband and a father. Well,

1142
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: with that, I think we've we've done it all for today. Listen.

1143
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: This has been a thrill for me. We sat here

1144
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: for an hour. We've scratched the service. Listen. We could

1145
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 1: we could have done another hour, but you gotta ride

1146
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: and I gotta you know, but six months, nine months,

1147
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: maybe a year, we'll do it again. You get more

1148
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: music out you want, you're ready to put it out

1149
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: this to come knock on my Do you know where

1150
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: I live? Now? Yeah? Man, you come knock on my

1151
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: door and maybe showing up. You're only like eight miles

1152
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: from my house. What that would be the we play

1153
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: basketball in the backyard. You still play ball? It so well,

1154
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: let me say that, I know you don't do a

1155
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: lot of interviews, and so to come over and do

1156
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: this with me for an hour, it is just genuinely

1157
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: an exciting day for me. So so thank you. I

1158
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: say that as sincerely as possible. I can talked to everybody.

1159
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I've pretty jaded at this point.

1160
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't give a crap. I'm like, it's part of

1161
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: my job of talking to people. Occasionally you get that

1162
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: little like flutter again where you're like, oh this is cool.

1163
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: Now was the day for me? Oh thanks man. So,

1164
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: I I appreciate you and everybody who reached out to

1165
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: you saying I'm not a total tool like I appreciate

1166
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: them whomever they are. You know, everyone who reached out

1167
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: to me told me just how authentic and real you were,

1168
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,919
Speaker 1: and and man, I feel that right here in this room.

1169
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: I see it by looking at you. Man, I've been

1170
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: around the block. So just just like you, Just like you,

1171
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm jaded and I get a vibe in a sense

1172
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: of somebody. And you know, because we've met so many

1173
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: people in our lives that when we meet someone new

1174
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: and we feel their vibe, we've met someone like them before,

1175
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and you've got great energy, man,

1176
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: And thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.

1177
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 1: A very final question. You can answer it with a word.

1178
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: Did people ever stop you at Walmart and goat hey you,

1179
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: Scott Stap Yes, yes they because that would beat me.

1180
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh dude, I wouldn't even say hi,

1181
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: I would just take a picture from behind you and

1182
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: to be like I'd posted me like I think that's

1183
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: Scott stabbed. Um. Listen, you guys can follow Scott go

1184
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: to his show's um He's at Scott's stab on Instagram

1185
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: and TikTok um Creed Instagram. Still you guys are still

1186
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: to me, just still rolling, yeah, man, still rolling? Yes

1187
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: they are. Let's go. Let's do it. You heard it here,

1188
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: Let's go. I will be all right. Scott. Great to

1189
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: see you, Thank you, so great to see you. Thanks

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01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: for having me. Bobby