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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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Speaker 1: and today on the show you Yes, you can be

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Speaker 1: a citizen scientist this spring and summer. There are things

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Speaker 1: to look out for in your own backyards. I am

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Speaker 1: talking about special events that are current, that are happening

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Speaker 1: now or in a few weeks, that you can keep

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Speaker 1: alert to in your backyard. Well, if you live in

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Speaker 1: North America, in certain locations, but in general, you can

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Speaker 1: be a citizen scientist. That means observing animals and then

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Speaker 1: making reports to various research institutions, to things like eye naturalists,

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Speaker 1: and this actually really helps researchers. So we are gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about new birds. We're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: incredible broods. We're going to talk about something that was

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Speaker 1: discovered by citizen scientists that sounds like it came out

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Speaker 1: of the horror game Slash TV show The Last of

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Speaker 1: Us Discover This and more as we answer the age

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Speaker 1: old question when is it a good time for your

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Speaker 1: butt to be a fun guy? Joining me today is

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Speaker 1: voice actress, host of the JV Club and a ton

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Speaker 1: of other podcasts. Janet Varney welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I wasn't sure if I was

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Speaker 2: allowed to laugh when you said can you be a

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Speaker 2: fun guy and win? And so last that giggle.

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Speaker 1: Laughter is not allowed, not permitted.

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Speaker 2: This is a very serious.

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Speaker 1: Very serious.

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Speaker 2: I'm reaching our contract.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very serious science show. No laughter, no fun,

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Speaker 1: everything's really dry. I'm so excited to have you suggested.

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Speaker 1: I really liked your topic suggestion, which is talking about

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Speaker 1: like the kinds of animals that you can find sort

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Speaker 1: of in your own city, in your own backyard. And

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Speaker 1: I really love this concept, and I love the way

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Speaker 1: in which that people like you and me can engage

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Speaker 1: in science. Because I am a science communicator. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a scientist. I don't do research, but do I take

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Speaker 1: photos of animals and then send them to a naturalist

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Speaker 1: or to researchers who I know are looking for these photos.

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Speaker 1: I don't send them randomly to people who don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going on, but yes I do. And it's really fun,

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Speaker 1: it's really exciting. Like once I snapped a photo of

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Speaker 1: alligator lizards mating, so I sent it to Greg Pauley.

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Speaker 1: He's a herpetologist at the the LA Natural History Museum,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's amazing. It's it's so cool

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Speaker 1: and research this way and it's actually really helpful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's totally awesome. We have in our I live

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Speaker 2: right near Griffith Park in Los Angeles, and there's like

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Speaker 2: a ton of, you know, kind of public facing stuff

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Speaker 2: that you can do to get involved in. One of

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Speaker 2: the things that we do, not just in Griffith Park

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Speaker 2: but in my own neighborhood is Raptor Watch, is you know,

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Speaker 2: keeping your eyes on searchin raptors' nests and reporting back.

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Speaker 2: I'm gone a lot, so I haven't been able to

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Speaker 2: sign up because the last thing I want to do

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Speaker 2: important raptor d I don't want to fail rapt duty.

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Speaker 2: But but you're right, the feeling of knowing that, like

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Speaker 2: you're engaging with your environment and you're even helping us

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Speaker 1: Well, so I have exciting news for you because this

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Speaker 1: This is a a new bird just dropped in southern California.

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Speaker 2: They dropped a new bird.

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Speaker 1: They they released a new bird. Kind of literally, I'll

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Speaker 1: ex plane. So there is a small bird called swin

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Speaker 1: like smaller than a playing card. It's got this cute

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Speaker 1: it is. These are cute little guys and they are

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Speaker 2: They really are. This is this is a this is

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Speaker 2: a hot look. I love it. These I did not really,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's that I think that greeny tinge and

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Speaker 1: I think it's like, I mean, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: If I add white eye learner to it, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: I've never wanted your true skin more or at all,

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Speaker 2: now I do, so.

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Speaker 2: I love this little critter.

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Speaker 1: They're very, very pretty, and if you are a bird

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Speaker 1: that has flowers or berries. They often like to sip

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Speaker 1: nectar or eat berries. Even like hunting bird feeders, if

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Speaker 2: Sort of, that was my next question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And they don't have that really long beak that

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Speaker 1: because you can see these nectivorous birds like this one

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Speaker 1: like maybe evolutionary path of this bird could have been

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Speaker 1: maybe similar to a hummingbird's ancestor, with a shorter beak

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Speaker 2: Sure, and just because I don't want anyone to worry

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Speaker 2: that you have an expert by any means in any

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Speaker 2: rudimentary of enthusiasts. But so a bird like this, like

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Speaker 1: one of these. But here's the catch. They are not

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Speaker 1: East and Southeast Asia, completely across the world. So, Janet,

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Speaker 1: I want you to guess how they might have gotten

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna say, not, Migraine, I'm gonna say brought

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Speaker 2: I guess that's my That will be my guess. That

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Speaker 1: These little guys. The thought it's not exactly known, but

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Speaker 1: another bird, the Chevron parakeep, that also escaped the pet trade,

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Speaker 1: a bit. So there's always like, so they are an

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Speaker 1: much they impact local flora fauna, how they impact the plants,

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Speaker 1: So there are a lot of factors in terms of

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Speaker 2: So they are like a kind of the opposite end

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Speaker 2: feral cat in Australia, which I was just reading about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bilby's.

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Speaker 2: So cute in the side, But boy, oh boy, are

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Speaker 2: they cute.

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Speaker 1: I judge an animal in terms of their cuteness mostly

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Speaker 1: They did you see the whole thing of like they

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Speaker 1: do the Bilby, the Easter Bilby instead of the Easter

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Speaker 1: bunny because no, yeah, so rabbits are also invasive, also

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Speaker 1: bad for Bilby's and other animals, not because of predation,

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Speaker 1: they are, just as they're at war with feral cats

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Speaker 1: I'm a love that you can get a chocolate Easter Bilby.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how expensive the shipping would be from Australia,

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Speaker 1: so so so far, these little little white eyed birds. Uh,

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Speaker 1: something that people can do from their backyards right or

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Speaker 1: I mean there's an article called on the Brink of

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Speaker 1: LAist by Jacob Margolis that has more information. But yeah, generally,

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Speaker 1: Is the full scientific name is Zosterops simplex, which which

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just what's going to happen if you're

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Speaker 1: This is one of the problems with the exotic pet trade.

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Speaker 1: that this adorable little bird causes. I mean, it's not

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Speaker 2: Well, the smaller the ecosystem and the more like you know,

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Speaker 2: And then I want you to go ahead and just

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Speaker 1: How did I do you have painted a beautiful brain picture?

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Speaker 1: This is the way I would describe it is like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely grasshop er. I guess I could have gone

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it is. It is chunky though, it's shiny

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Speaker 2: A oh, it's just as after all that it's a cicada.

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Speaker 1: It is a cicada. It's you probably heard it, but

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Speaker 2: I mean I thought I had. I mean, I feel

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Speaker 2: But I did not. I mean, I guess if you

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Speaker 1: grasshopper like thing or something, and.

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00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: They have a just an evil tiny robot. Yeah, a

435
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: little old tiny robots a metallic sound.

436
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: It does make a very metallic sound shocking. But the

437
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: reason I bring up cicadas is that if you live

438
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: in North America, in the Midwest and southeast United States,

439
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: you are in for a treat that rivals the total

440
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: eclipse that just happened, because there is going to be

441
00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: a double brewed emergence this spring, so it is gonna

442
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: be a very special event. So cicadas do emerge every year,

443
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: right like we have this yearly emergence of cicadas. Their

444
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: life cycle is essentially, the females will lay eggs into trees.

445
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: They cut a little slice into the tree, lay their

446
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: eggs there. The eggs hatch into nymphs, little tiny babies.

447
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: They drop down to the ground, burrow under the ground.

448
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: They can go as far as around two feet under

449
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: the ground. And then they stay there for at least

450
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: a year, and then all at once they all come out.

451
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: The males make this incredibly loud buzzing sound to attract

452
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: the females. There's a mad dash to get the mating done,

453
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: to lay the eggs, and then they all die in

454
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: a few weeks. So they but this is the thing

455
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: is life, I know, amazing, right Like, So you spend

456
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: most of your time as a juvenile, just hanging out underground,

457
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: sipping on the sap from tree roots. Uh, and then

458
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: you have like three to six weeks of total madness

459
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: of just trying to mate as fast as you can,

460
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 1: and then you drop dead. Wow.

461
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen, you get you get to some underground,

462
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: you get some above ground by being in the trees,

463
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: and you get to drive people crazy with how incredibly

464
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 2: loud you are. I mean, this is uh, this is

465
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: an insect that was linked as a possible cause of

466
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: I hate to use the term Vana syndrome because I

467
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: think that I know that that's like very hurtful to

468
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: the Cuban people who are like, please don't put the

469
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: name of our city into this thing that you think

470
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: is like a sonic weapon. But you know, it's when

471
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: I've listened to a great podcast about it, actually, which

472
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 2: I wish I could remember the name of. It's really

473
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: good about the that phenomena, and when they first played

474
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: like that, you know, the whole sort of like misunderstanding

475
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: which was kind of debunked as like no, no, no,

476
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: this isn't actually what this was, and it's not even

477
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: what the people who had this thought it was. It's

478
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: just sort of an Uh, it's just an unfortunate like,

479
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: it's just an unfortunate situation where there happened to be

480
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: a bunch of really loud cicadas. Yeah that they were like,

481
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: could this have anything to do with why we're having

482
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: these symptoms? And it was like, no, it doesn't, and

483
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: the symptoms still happened. But but the first time I

484
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: heard I was like, well that's cicadas. Yeah, like that

485
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: sound that you know, feels like and it's it's an

486
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: assault to your ears, cicada.

487
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: It's a complete sensory experience.

488
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: Bless them.

489
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: Well, how do we know that the cicadas aren't in

490
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: league with the Cuban government to undermine I have nothing?

491
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: So a double brood? So double brood? How did that happen?

492
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: How was there a double set coming?

493
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: So this is really this is very interesting. So there

494
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: are some species that they go through a yearly life cycle.

495
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: There are others and those are called annual cicadia, sick

496
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: annual cicadas. There are other cicadas who are periodical cicadas,

497
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 1: and they have a life cycle that can range from

498
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: two years to seventeen years. And so that means that

499
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: when the nymphs pop out of the trees burrow underground.

500
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: They can spend up to seventeen years of their life

501
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: just waiting underground, sipping on tree root juices, and then

502
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: at the seventeen year mark, all of them all at

503
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: once emerge and do the crazy mating just orgy fest

504
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. And the double brood is because

505
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: there is a brood, a thirteen year cyclical sorry, a

506
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: thirteen year periodical cicada brood, and a seventeen year periodical

507
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: cicada brood that have a lined so they are emerging

508
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: at the same time. And this is something that hasn't

509
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: happened for two hundred years. So yeah, because it think

510
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the just the synchronicity of it, the last time this

511
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: happened was two hundred years ago. The next time this happened,

512
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be another like two hundred years, is gonna

513
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: be in like twenty twenty forty five, so it is.

514
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: It is really incredible. And so there are going to

515
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: be anywhere from like billions to potentially like a trillion

516
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: cicadas just like which seems made up? That does that

517
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: seems like too many that are going to emerge. And

518
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: so if you are near the cicada geddon, which is

519
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: happening in you know, the nor in the Midwest and

520
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: southeast United States, you will start to notice holes popping

521
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: out of the ground. And then you're gonna notice just

522
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: a deafening cock cacophony of cicadas making an incredible sound.

523
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: It is not the end times, uh, you are not.

524
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: You're not about to be raptured. These are cicadas and

525
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: they will made over the course of a few weeks.

526
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Then they'll die. And yeah, you're gonna find all those

527
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: like crunchy little shells everywhere. It's uh, they look intimidating

528
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: sometimes because they're they're pretty big. They're you know, like

529
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: bigger than my thumb a little bit. But they are

530
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: totally harmless. They don't want to they don't want to

531
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: mess with you. They don't want to bite you. They're

532
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: not like venomous.

533
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: They don't want to have sex with you. Again, they

534
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: do not want to have sex with you.

535
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: Not with you, with uh, with anything vaguely cicada shaped yet.

536
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

537
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: So you can celebrate cicada get in by just observing

538
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: all the cicadas, by enjoying the train quality of like

539
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: a billion cicadas all screaming.

540
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's going to be more ear plug

541
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: purchases than in past years. Really in those areas.

542
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: I'd be interesting to track. My husband is an economist.

543
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest that to him as a research topic.

544
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: Like ear plugs and cicadas, is there a connection?

545
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem possible, Like, and it's the same

546
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: with crickets. I guess, you know, you just sort of

547
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: we all take for grant. I mean I think I

548
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: did as a kid. I feel like I was a

549
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: fairly curious kid. But you also when you're younger, there

550
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: are some things that you just kind of take it

551
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: face value. And I guess I just I hadn't. I

552
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: didn't spend as much time as maybe I should have

553
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: thinking about the immense noise that comes from this tiny thing.

554
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: Well it's so interesting because well, crickets are you know,

555
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: they can project for sure, but cicadas are particularly loud.

556
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: Cicadas are a little bit different, uh from stridulators like crickets,

557
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: So they do produce sound mechanically, not through like a voice,

558
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: but they actually have these Instead of just rubbing one

559
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: body part against another, they have these what are called timbles.

560
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: They are these like structures, these kind of membraneous structures,

561
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, like like what's it.

562
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: Called like symbol like symbols, Like symbols rhymes with timbles.

563
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: It does rhyme with timbles. But you know, like the

564
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: monkey that slaps the symbols together. These are timbles. So

565
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: they are connected to muscles. They vibrate them really rapidly. Vibration, yeah,

566
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: vibration that is very very rapid. And they also have

567
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: sort of a resonance chamber. Uh and so like basically

568
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: you know how like you can like wiggle a metal

569
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: sheet and make a thunder sound. It's like that, but

570
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: we have a bunch of these little membranes. H if

571
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: you actually like, if you like like this. This is

572
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: what's interesting about cicadas is they kind of have this

573
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: like mechanical look. If you sort of look at this

574
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: timble structure, it looks sort of like a bunch of

575
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: layers of metal together. But these are actually just like

576
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: these sort of thin membranes. They vibrate and then their

577
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: bodies are designed as a resonance chamber. And it's just

578
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: it's such a rapid force that they can actually produce

579
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: from this this thing that's relatively small, they can produce

580
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: a sound that's nearly as loud as like a chainsaw.

581
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean that is nuts and so okay. So the

582
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: little critters that are coming out of the ground that

583
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: they're male and female, that both in the broods that

584
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: are coming out, and the females you are, they're just

585
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: going somewhere too, I mean, are they just kind of

586
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: like in the trees also they are, and they're just

587
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: sort of like, yeah, they're looking whoever's yeah, depends on

588
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: the species.

589
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: Some of them like they're both mobile and they're looking

590
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: for each other, and the males making this sound and

591
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: the female's going for it. But in so species, it's

592
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: like the males stay put and then the females have

593
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: to come to them because the males are lazy, and

594
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, well, you have to come over here.

595
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 2: They're like, baby, I'm exhausted, I'm a listen, I'm in

596
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: a band. If you want to hang out with me,

597
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: you got to come to my band's shows. I'm too busy.

598
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: I'm either rehearsing my band, or I'm performing with my band,

599
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: or I'm traveling with my band. Baby, you want to

600
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: be with me, come to where the band is. You

601
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about.

602
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: Girl, exactly. We've all been through this. We've all had

603
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: a cicada in our life. But one interesting thing about

604
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: these is that you would think you'd wonder, like, well,

605
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: why why do they need seventeen or thirteen years underground?

606
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: That seems excessive, Like they don't need a lot of

607
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: time to develop.

608
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: A lot of about being a brooding teenager. You never

609
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: come out of your room. You're two, You dug yourself

610
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: two feet underground.

611
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, they are a whold They are a

612
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: whole teenager by the time they emerge. Yeah, and so

613
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: no wonders.

614
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: They're so horny.

615
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, I just it's so good. They don't have internet,

616
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: these cicadas, I know, can you imagine.

617
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, some trees talk to trees, tree roots talk to

618
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: each other. I don't know they can kind they could

619
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: they could be Yeah, a little internet there.

620
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean the reason for the law,

621
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still not exactly known why they do this,

622
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: but one the leading theory is that it is a

623
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: way to kind of like create an unpredictability about like

624
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: when they emerged. The reason that they all emerge at

625
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: once is fairly straightforward safety in numbers. If you are

626
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: part of a huge brood, then it is just statistically

627
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: less likely you get eaten, even though a lot of

628
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: you are going to get eaten. But to emerge at

629
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: such a like weird like periodical thing of like every

630
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: thirteen years, every seventeen years. There are other broods that

631
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: do it at different intervals. That is potentially to make

632
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: difficult for predators, parasites and other and like pathogens the

633
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: three piece from adapting to you essentially like if they

634
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: adapt to your life cycle, like you emerge every year,

635
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: maybe a pathogen or a predator or a parasite will

636
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: learn like, hey, they come out every year, and so

637
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: I adapt in order to exploit this yearly emergence. But

638
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: if you're only coming out every thirteen years or seventeen years,

639
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: this is an irregularity and it's a long period of time.

640
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: So you may be going beyond the life cycle of

641
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of predators, of a lot of things that

642
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: would exploit you, and so it is harder for them

643
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: to specifically adapt strategies against you to either exploit you

644
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: as a parasite or as a predator. That doesn't mean

645
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: that predators don't eat these. They do. They eat them

646
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: a lot of them. But the point is like having

647
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: like a special adaptation that makes you just a master

648
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: at a cicada munch or cicada parasitizing, or even like

649
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: a virus or a pathogen that could adapt to it,

650
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: like with this like weird interval, like it actually makes

651
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: them kind of a hard target to adapt to, except

652
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: for when they're underground, and there are actually things like

653
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: fungal infections and nematods and things underground that can parasitize

654
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: them while they are in that period, which is really interesting.

655
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: But you know, is that is that kind of the

656
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: only thing that can happen to you when you're down there,

657
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: or can like some sort of burrowing critter find you,

658
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: just stumble across you and go, hey, I'm a off hand.

659
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: I can't think of a single one hole. I don't

660
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: think they.

661
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely yeah no, if they're they can be definitely

662
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: preyed upon underground by burrowing animals. It's just that it

663
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: is not as exploited a region as say the surface, right,

664
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: Like burrowing animals they have to put in work to

665
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: do their tunnels and so you know the excavation, uh

666
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: is you can only excavate so much of the ground,

667
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: and so yeah, they will still be preyed upon, they

668
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: will still have issues underground, but it is safer than

669
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: the surface. And is speaking of eating these guys, uh,

670
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: they are edible for people. We can eat them and

671
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: if you I mean, I have never had a cicada,

672
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: but I have heard that they actually taste fairly good,

673
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: similar to like say seafood, kind of like the kind

674
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: of look like crustaceane.

675
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

676
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but because I have

677
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: never tried it. But if you live in one of

678
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: these areas where there's going to be this mass emergence,

679
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: check out like your local rest if you're if you're adventurous,

680
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: if this sounds interesting to you, Sometimes like local restaurants

681
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: will start offering cickeda meals, so like essentially collect they

682
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: collect the cicadas, they prepare them, cook them, and you

683
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: can eat them.

684
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: Good source of protein like a cricket, like yeah, absolute

685
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: protein powder and stuff.

686
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, their meat, they're bug meat.

687
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: I think you'd have to char that baby pretty black

688
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: for me to I need to get like what I

689
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: taste is the taste of of just like burnt wood

690
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: needs to be sure, I need a grasshopper.

691
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: But Billy, what'd you think? You know what?

692
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure? I think it was like a chocolate cover grasshopper.

693
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: So it was one of those things where you're like, oh,

694
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: you've done everything you can to disguise and and and

695
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: sort of you know, nullify whatever bug eating experience you're

696
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: supposed to have, Like I definitely haven't had, like, hey,

697
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: here's a you know, yeah, here's a baked here's a

698
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: baked grasshopper.

699
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: Nothing a grasshopper, here's a here's a a tart with

700
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: grasshoppers all lined up like pecans.

701
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I exactly.

702
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: I I'm not much of an insectivore myself. I want

703
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: to be, like, I think it would be cool, and

704
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: I wish I did not have the sort of uh

705
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: like revulsion towards eating insects that I have, like because

706
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, now there's this whole cuisine that

707
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: I can't have because I have this cultural notion that bugs.

708
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: Bugs is gross. I'm not supposed to eat them. I've

709
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: eaten ants the same, and I think I had a

710
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: cricket once. But yeah, uh, it's just it's hard for

711
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: me to get past that, and I wish I could,

712
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: because hey, you know what, like food's food, and I

713
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: don't want to be yeah, I don't want to be

714
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: so picky, but yeah, let me.

715
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Ask you this cool question, and please tell me if

716
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: we're getting off topic, because you know, I could tasks

717
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: six hours about almost any subject. But so with something

718
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: like that, how much of that revulsion. You don't have

719
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: to know the answer to this, but I'm interested if

720
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 2: you have any speculation on it. How much of something

721
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: like that is, like, because you know, for example, when

722
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: you when you find that you're afraid of a certain

723
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: type of creature, and and you know, we you can

724
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: have a conversation about that. Most people sort of understand like, well,

725
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, to have a sort of genetic predisposition towards

726
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: fearing spiders, or towards fearing rats, or towards fearing snakes.

727
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: Like there's reasons for those predispositions to exist, and some

728
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: of them may be happening at the genetic level, like

729
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: at the cellular level. I wonder I'm wondering with you know,

730
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: the sort of revulsion around insects, like had you and

731
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: I been raised in a similar environment except for our parents,

732
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: or our small community or our city or our state

733
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: or whatever embraced eating insects more. Do you think that,

734
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, we would just completely be fine with it.

735
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: Do you think that there would be like some level

736
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: of a version that we couldn't put our finger on? Like,

737
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on that?

738
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: I've actually thought about this a lot? This is a

739
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: great question, Okay. I mean there are absolutely certain versions

740
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: we have that may be innate in terms of like

741
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: like things that are like spider shaped, snake shaped. We

742
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: have sort of this like innate kind of like the reflex,

743
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: which can be overridden by say learning about them or

744
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: culturally overridden people because I mean people keep snakes as pets,

745
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: people keep tarantulas as pets. These kinds of fears can

746
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: be overwritten by new information eating insects. It's hard to

747
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: say whether we have an innate revulsion to insects in

748
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: terms of a food source. My suspicion is that maybe

749
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: for some insects we might things that are pests, right that, like,

750
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: are things that we may see as like unsanitary or

751
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: pests like parasites. Yeah, perhaps there is grubs exactly exactly

752
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: and so we we do have an evolutionary history of

753
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: being insectivorous. And you know, even even with parasites, right,

754
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: like you pick mites and ticks and stuff and fleas

755
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: off of your friend and you eat it. And so

756
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: in terms of what we do know is there are

757
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: a lot of human cultures that exist today where insect

758
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: eating is not taboo, it is not considered gross, and

759
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: people enjoy eating insects, and so it is clearly something

760
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: that answer to your question of like, if we had

761
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: been raised different would we find would we find insects

762
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: gross to eat?

763
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: No?

764
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think if we had been

765
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: raised that we eat cicadas, you know, every year in

766
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: a big cicada eating festival, I think we would not

767
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: find that gross.

768
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: Just I agree with you. It's kind of a bummer

769
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: if you look a bumer opportunity exactly.

770
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: This is how I feel. It's like I want to

771
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: if I have children, I want to figure out a

772
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: way to not make them feel grossed out by the

773
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: concept of eating bugs, you know, just in case, like

774
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, the meat industry collapses in the future, and

775
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: you know what, like give them more options. But no,

776
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: but I mean it's also like bugs are kind of pretty,

777
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: and some of them sort of look like candy. I

778
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: don't know, Like, if I look at a bug, I'm like,

779
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: that might be kind of fun to eat, But then

780
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: when I think about eating it with all the little

781
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: legs and the segments that, I'm like, no, that seems bad.

782
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. But then part of

783
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: me is like, ah, but I'm curious. Yeah, it's hard

784
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: to override the the revulsion, but I want to. But yeah,

785
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I think so there's two options. I think one is

786
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: that we could have an innate aversion to it, but

787
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: one that is overridden by culture, or we do not

788
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: have an innate aversion to it. And so depending on

789
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: your culture, you're even you're either taught in aversion to

790
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: insects or you are not taught it, And I suspect

791
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: it's the latter. I don't think we're born with an

792
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: aversion to eating insects, unless maybe there's a very specific

793
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of like maybe we're we have an aversion to spiders.

794
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: That would make sense, Yeah, but eating any insect I

795
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: don't know, because like something like what is really the

796
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: difference between say, like a shrimp and a cricket in

797
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: terms of like their looks, you know, when I was

798
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: This is a fun story, but like when I was

799
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: a and I think I've told it on the show

800
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: probably like a million times, so sorry for repeating myself.

801
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: But when I was a toddler, I would eat snails

802
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: like a baby, like baby toddler, like crawling around kind

803
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: of in the yard. I would pick up snails and

804
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: eat them. And somehow I as an adult, like I

805
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: am grossed out by snails. But then there's a lot

806
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: of like right now I'm living in Northern Italy, like

807
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: escargoes on the menu all the time, and a lot

808
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: of people like it, and it's like I can't eat

809
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: it now because I'm grossed out. But when I was

810
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: a baby, I would eat raw snails out of the garden.

811
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I feel like I really do think

812
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: the the general aversion to all insects, I don't think

813
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: that that's innate. I think we learned that maybe there's

814
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: specific insects that may be, you know, like spiders that

815
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: we have.

816
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: So it just and I know you need to move on,

817
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: but just to put a button on this and to

818
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: bring it back around to to like your own backyard

819
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: like one's own backyard. One of the things that's been

820
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of running in the background has we've been talking

821
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: about this for me is like, when I think about

822
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: the insects I see in my own yard, if I

823
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: had to eat one of them, I'm going to take

824
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: snails off the menu, because I feel like I do

825
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: have tons of snails and I'm gonna take I'm gonna

826
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: take like grasshoppers, snails, and crickets off the menu because

827
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: I feel like I've already been given permission to eat those, right.

828
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: I have an idea. I know what I categorically would

829
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: one hundred percent avoid, and I include spiders and I

830
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: and I am afraid of spiders, but I've really come

831
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: a long way. I feel much more friendly with them now. Now.

832
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: When I am gardening and I pull up a rock

833
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: and there's a giant wolf spider that, you know, hunkers

834
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 2: and sort of proud, just trying not to be seen,

835
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, buddy, I'm not gonna hurt you. Like

836
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: that's okay, I'm sorry, I interrupted. Whereas like when I

837
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: was younger, I would have squealed and run away and

838
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: not been in the garden. And when I say younger,

839
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: I mean like twenty I mean like twenty five. I

840
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: don't mean like I've gotten much better about that. I've

841
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: gotten much better about ore weavers. Now I can stand

842
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: right next to them as they're building a web and

843
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: look at how crazy and scary they look, and really say, wow,

844
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: you're working so hard on that. And the chances are

845
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: fair that this is gonna get broken before you're even done,

846
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: because someone's gonna walk into it or bird's gonna fly. So,

847
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: but I definitely don't want to eat them. I do

848
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: not want to eat spiders. I've decided that I would

849
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: like some roly pulleys. They can go ahead and roll

850
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: up into a perfect circle, perfect sphere will fry them

851
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: up and then they'll just be like these nice little

852
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: crunchy bits. Yeah, and that feels that feels doable to me.

853
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: Like that feels even more doable to me in some

854
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: cases than like, you know, even just thinking about like

855
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: crickets or snails, like somehow just because it becomes an

856
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: like a shape instead of a creature. Yes, if you

857
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: want to roll yourself up, we could turn them into dippin' dots, like,

858
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: there are options. We have a cereal we have options

859
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: for those tiny little roly pulleys, which are also very cute,

860
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: and I don't mind crawling on me. So I feel

861
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: kind of guilty saying that. But I'm and what I

862
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: know I won't Another thing I know I won't eat

863
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: is I forget what their actual name. They're like Latin

864
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: name or their scientific name is, but what we call

865
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: mustache bugs. I don't need to eat a bug that

866
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 2: it has all of those legs, like you were saying,

867
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 2: I mean, those are like it's like eating a little brush.

868
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: It's like eating I mean, I guess. But when I

869
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: when I was growing up, I thought of a millipede

870
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: and a centipede as being these sort.

871
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: Of how centipede is how I know them.

872
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So I mean those things they are like. I mean,

873
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: mustache bug makes a lot of sense because they have

874
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: this bushy look, like a walking mustache. And the idea

875
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: of having to get those little hairy legs down is

876
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: just on a puke.

877
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: The mouthfeel on. That can't be good. The interesting thing

878
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: about the roly pully is those are terrestrial isopods. They

879
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: are actually, that's right.

880
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: They are related to the like fossils.

881
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: Yes, they are related to marine isopods. So they are

882
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: kind of like surf and turf. I guess, all in one,

883
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: all in one.

884
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel guilty. I'm sorry, Little roly Poly. Sorry.

885
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: Potato bugs are always fine, It's fine. The great thing

886
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: about the pill bugs is you can just take them

887
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: with a glass of water. If you don't like the

888
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: mouthfeel of the crunching, you know, that's me. I mean,

889
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: I feel like ants is kind of cheating. I've eaten ants.

890
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: It's they just taste like eating a little graine of pepper.

891
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very spicy.

892
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: They're very spicy. But yeah, I don't like grubs. Grubs

893
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: isn't something I want to eat. That's the scene in

894
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: the Lion King has always grossed me out. My gosh,

895
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: you know it's hard, Like, man, I don't like anything

896
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: that has like a pop to it, like a like

897
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: a gusher sort of thing. So spiders. Spider's definitely not

898
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't you know, like anything where you bite down

899
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: on it and there's like a pop and like a no,

900
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: I don't want.

901
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: To you got me? Yeah, No, you're so right.

902
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that's not a situation I want. So it's like, oh, yeah,

903
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: so what what isn't like that. I don't know. I'm

904
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: trying to think, oh man, because I was gonna say butterfly,

905
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: but I feel like their bodies. No, that wouldn't be good.

906
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: That would not be good. No, I mean I honestly, like, what.

907
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 2: About like a little beetle, Oh, poor beetle.

908
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: Little beetle, like if it's really small though, Yeah, I

909
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: feel like crunchy bugs are better than squishy Yeah, but

910
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: bugs that pop in your mouth, like that's not like

911
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm even dressed out like I used to have. I

912
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: don't like killing spiders once in a while. It's like

913
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: a kind of a necessity situation, especially like if it's

914
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: a venomous species. It's like I'm sorry, you know, I

915
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: gotta I.

916
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: Know, I'm not. I'm okay killing and I feel I

917
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: feel bad about.

918
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: It, like I don't want to, but I will do it.

919
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: And then but the popping sound that they make, like

920
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: when I hate it, I feel it's like I feel

921
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: guilty and it's disgusting.

922
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: Put in your cicada at earplugs.

923
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: Just like please scream in my ears.

924
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: And wear a boot with a big, like a really

925
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: chunky feel, so that you not your foot is experiencing.

926
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: No, I hate it. It's like it's like popping, is

927
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: is it? But it's it's but it's a spider. It's

928
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: so right. No, it's so with any spider that I

929
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: do not have to like that is not venomous, I

930
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: like leave alone, or like like transfer outside or something.

931
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Jumping spiders are adorable and I love them, and they

932
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: can stay in the house because they are really cute.

933
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: I've never I don't know what jumping spider you're talking about,

934
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: but unfortunately, the only most recent jumping spider I had

935
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: discussed with anyone is like the Huntsman spider in Australia,

936
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: which sounds like the stuff of nightmares. Oh no, so

937
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: so jumping really big, Yeah, but you're talking about small.

938
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is a These are it's not

939
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: just these are not just spiders that jump. There's a

940
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: whole range of species of these, these spiders called jumping spiders,

941
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: and they're tiny and they're cute. And I'm going to

942
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: find a picture for you actually, because this is very important.

943
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: I mean, does it look like just so your average

944
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: little house spider that's kind of just really small and

945
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 2: doing it doing its own thing.

946
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Really like they are. They're like to me, they are

947
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: actively cute. Let me see if I can find like

948
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: a good representation of why I find them cute.

949
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean, they are not a good sign that you're

950
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: having to come through multiple photos.

951
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, put one of your best eight feet forward.

952
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: It's uh, here we go. This one's this is a

953
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: good one because he's waving.

954
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, give me a wave. I'll take the wave.

955
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: Here we go.

956
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sorry, the scope of my whole day

957
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: feels like it changed.

958
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: But think about that pop it's a terrible thing.

959
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, well that looks like a tarantula kind

960
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: of kind But they're teen, But those are I don't

961
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: know if I've seen. I mean, I guess if I

962
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: haven't seen, I'm gonna have to look. I mean, I show.

963
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: You just a photo of what it looks like on

964
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: something like so you can see, yeah, what it looks

965
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: like without the close because this is like close up photography.

966
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: And then this is just what it looks like on

967
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: someone's hand.

968
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 2: All right, let's have a look at.

969
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: This or fingers.

970
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure I've seen those little guys. Yeah,

971
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: those little guys. Yeah, I don't have a problem with

972
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: those at all. Well, I see those one except yeah,

973
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: for sure. I mean, can they also like dangle down

974
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: on via a web or do they just jump? Like

975
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: do they do you see them floating kind of like

976
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: on your range top. I'll look and be like, what

977
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: are you doing?

978
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: Most of you doing this aren't really so much gonna

979
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: do that, Like most of them just kind of walk around.

980
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: They do produce webs to some extent. Some of them

981
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: are a little bigger. I actually still find the bigger

982
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: ones cute, like.

983
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: Are they eating gnats and stuff?

984
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: Like?

985
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: Are they eating?

986
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, they kind of like cut down there.

987
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: Quite large. You look like a little fairy kind of

988
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 2: you look like a hairy Harry fairy fairy.

989
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: But he's got like a little mustache, which is actually

990
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: just it's petipalps, the little things on its face.

991
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 2: Extremely cute. Yeah, I mean again, you're kind of getting

992
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: into like something that yeah, sort of cartoonish looking exactly.

993
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: I like tarantula's and wolf spiders because I like their

994
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: little their fur, because fur it feels less threatening to

995
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: me than the hard what's that called precipice, crep escape?

996
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 2: What is it?

997
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: I look carapace is I think carapace.

998
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: But I love I don't need to say a hard yeah,

999
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: I love that.

1000
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Those are great words. Even if I can just.

1001
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: Get some of the syllables or any of the letters.

1002
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: They don't even have to be an order. Yeah, I

1003
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: don't need that shiny. I mean, boy, if ever there

1004
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: was a that a creature that looked venomous, it's a

1005
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: black widow. I mean, all power to them again, I

1006
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: will kill them. But it's very impressive. How macabre and

1007
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 2: bo do they?

1008
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: They're very much they they they as as the kids say,

1009
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: they read the assignment, they read the assignment. But the

1010
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: funny thing about the funny thing now I'm doing the tangent.

1011
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: But the funny thing about the hairs. Like liking the

1012
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: fuzzy spiders, which I agree with, I think they're cute.

1013
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: A lot of these fuzzy spiders have what are called

1014
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: irridicating hairs. They are actually irritating hairs that are meant

1015
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: to like kind of come out like a lot of tarantulas,

1016
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: Like if you pet them, you can actually kind of

1017
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: get a rash. Because they are meant to be protective parents.

1018
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, where it's like, don't pet me. Like,

1019
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: but some of them you can actually pet because they're

1020
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: not they're not gonna hurt you. But a lot of

1021
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: tarantulas you pet them and then their hairs like kind

1022
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: of come off, and then now you've got a rash

1023
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 1: on your whoops.

1024
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: But thank you. Yeah.

1025
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: Before before we take a break and move on to

1026
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: the next section, UH, if you want to join sort

1027
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: of these cicada tracker community, you can go to cicadasafari

1028
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: dot org uh and kind of submit the photos or

1029
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: observations you make for cicada Gadden twenty twenty four. I

1030
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: don't know if they're calling it cicada gaeddin. I'm trying

1031
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: to make that happen. I think they even have like

1032
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: an iPhone app. So yeah, cicadasafari dot org and you

1033
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: can you too, can join in on the cicada adventure.

1034
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: So we are going to take a quick break and

1035
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: when we come back, we're gonna have one more short

1036
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: story about citizen sciences discovering something really weird. All right, right,

1037
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: so we are back. Citizen science does not just occur

1038
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: in the US. It is an international phenomenon. And so

1039
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: in UH, in India, in the Western Ghats, there was

1040
00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: a group of herpetology frog enthusiasts just kind of going

1041
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: around making observations, taking photos, and they found a frog

1042
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: with a mushroom growing out of it's But.

1043
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: Wow, I've I don't know what I would have needed

1044
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: to do to get ready for this. I know I

1045
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: didn't do it, and I'm not ready for it. And

1046
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a picture and I think I know

1047
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: which thing was a reference to the last of us.

1048
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: It's this. It's definitely this. Yeah, So, to be a

1049
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: little more honest, it's coming out of its rear flank.

1050
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can call out it's but

1051
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say it. But and it's like

1052
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: a literal tiny I'm not talking about a fungal infection

1053
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: like oh, you know athletes. But it's a literal mushroom,

1054
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: little mushroom like a little a white stem and a

1055
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: white little cap. It's a tiny mushroom growing out of

1056
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: this poor, cute, little innocent frog.

1057
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1058
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh, this frog is a h it is

1059
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: called I forgot its name. I wrote it down. The

1060
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: frog is a rouse golden black rows golden backed frog.

1061
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: Actually the full name is like rouse intermediate golden backed frog,

1062
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: which is a mouthful I'm just gonna call it a

1063
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: little cutie. Uh. So it's it is alive, and so

1064
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: it's not like a situation where it's dead and then

1065
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: the mushroom's growing out of its dead body. That wouldn't

1066
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: be as interesting. No, it's alive and it has this tiny,

1067
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: perfect little mushroom growing out of its rump. These hobbyists,

1068
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: these these herpetology hobbyists like snapped a picture. They didn't

1069
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: capture the frog because they were being respectful. They didn't

1070
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: want to like, you know, mess with the environment at all.

1071
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: They but they they took a couple of pictures and

1072
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: they published their picture in the Journal of Reptiles and

1073
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: Amphibians and then frog that picture. Even more nature enthusiasts,

1074
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: like my cologists and like mushroom hobbyists like looked at

1075
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: this mushroom like trying to identify will what is the mushroom?

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00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, what the frog is? What's the mushroom? The

1077
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: most likely candidate that they came up with is the

1078
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: bonnet mushroom, which is a Mycena fungus that typically lives

1079
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: on rotting wood and not It is not known to

1080
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: like be a parasite of frogs. So this is really interesting.

1081
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: Wow, so what do we what do we do with this?

1082
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: Right? Like, is this like the start of sort of

1083
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: a last of Us frog apocalypse? I mean probably not right,

1084
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: Like it could just be a fluke somehow. There's this

1085
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: thing where sometimes a it's actually in I don't know

1086
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: if you'd call it my isis when it comes to fungus,

1087
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: But when it comes to say, like like larvae that

1088
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: accidentally become parasites, it's called my assis where it's like,

1089
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: say you get like a fly larvae in your in

1090
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: your gut, and it's like living there. It's not an

1091
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: obligate parasite. It doesn't need to be a parasite. But

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01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: then it has found its way inside a yeah, and

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01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: it's making the best out of a bad situation. That

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01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: is what I would guess is going on with this

1095
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: this mushroom, like a spore somehow got under this frog's

1096
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: skin or inside of this frog. Yeah, and then it

1097
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: managed to sprout its way out of the frog. But yeah,

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01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: it's still it's like extreme. Like. The other option could

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01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: be that there is a type of fungal infection. There's

1100
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: that fungus it is actually the fungus that the Last

1101
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: of Us game and TV show is based on. It's

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01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: called ophio cordyceps and that does actually yeah, that does

1103
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: actually infect insects like ants, grasshopper, spiders and then grows

1104
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: out of like it kills them, but then it like

1105
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: grows sprouts out of their body.

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01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: One of the all time great reality based yes, like

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: versions of Armageddon.

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01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I I appre I very much appreciate

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01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: the the sort of I mean so I did a

1110
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: whole You can probably look back in the show's history.

1111
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: We did an episode on the Last of Us like

1112
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: mostly I really love it. There was one like one

1113
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: line where it was like they in the show saying like, oh,

1114
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: there's no treatment for fungus, Like we've got antibiotics, but

1115
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: we don't have anything.

1116
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: Wait what that's not true. It's not true at all.

1117
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: We have anti fungals in any way. Have you heard

1118
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: of athletes heard, Yes, we have. Have you heard of yea?

1119
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: And even for like brain like fungus, like there are

1120
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: there are fungi you know that can infect the brain.

1121
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: We have treatments for that too, and it's very books.

1122
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but you know you have to have some

1123
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: kind of dramatic thing going on, I guess. Anyways, so

1124
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: this poor frog, it's got a little mushroom growing on us.

1125
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: But actually we don't know.

1126
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: Cute frog, it's a cute mushroom. They're both cute.

1127
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they're working together. We don't know. If this frog

1128
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: is upset with this mushroom. Maybe it doesn't even notice it.

1129
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they're friends. Who knows. Because, like, frogs can be

1130
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: infected with fungus, but again, similar to athlete's foot, it's

1131
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: not like a whole mushroom, like a whole ass mushroom

1132
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: growing out of the ass of the frog. That's not

1133
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: like generally how fungal infections work in frogs. It's like

1134
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: a fungal infection and a human, you know, you might

1135
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: see like a film or something on their skin, but

1136
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: it's not going to be like, hey, I'm a mushroom.

1137
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm growing out of this frog. So if you find

1138
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: if you live in Indian and you live in the

1139
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: western guts, and you find a frog with a mushroom

1140
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: growing out of its butt, do take a photo. I mean,

1141
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: if you live anywhere and you find a mushroom growing.

1142
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 2: Out of a yeah, frog, fair, fair enough.

1143
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: Or anywhere out of the frog take a photo, you know,

1144
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: because that might be interesting. Uh, who knows. Maybe this

1145
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: is a one time deal. Maybe it's a new trend,

1146
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's a new sort of frog fashion. We'll only

1147
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: know if we all join together to try to find

1148
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: more mushroom frogs.

1149
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very interesting. It's interesting in the sense that,

1150
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: of course, like I mean, you were of course you're

1151
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: talking about the idea of you know, something being more

1152
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: incidentally parasitic than being you know, intentionally. So but when

1153
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 2: I see something like this, like what does jump into

1154
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: my mind is the sort of more I mean, I

1155
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: guess it's everything that's that spreads seeds through. But like

1156
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: thinking about you know, my dog picking up you know,

1157
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: briers or picking up you know, little thistles and stuff

1158
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: like that, it is intentionally going into his hair so

1159
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: that it can spread to a location that it couldn't

1160
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: get to otherwise. So yeah, it's funny because like obviously

1161
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: this isn't necessarily that, but it does feel like you could,

1162
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: in that way imagine somehow the mushroom.

1163
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: Is like I'd like to try, you know what I mean,

1164
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: I just think, yeah, dispersal is very important for a

1165
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,479
Speaker 1: lot of sort of immobile organisms, and so in a way,

1166
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: like it's that's what Opeo Cordyceps is doing with the insects.

1167
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: So one could imagine that this could adapt in order

1168
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: to use the frogs and in a lot of cases

1169
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: like an adaptation maybe sort of, you know, it is

1170
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: like a random thing that can happen, either a random

1171
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: mutation or something that happens, right like maybe originally with

1172
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: the opiod Cordyceps, like a curious ant eats it, you know,

1173
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: they eat these spores and then this starts to happen,

1174
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: and then the the fungus adapts more and more in

1175
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: order to exploit this situation. So you know, like even

1176
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: if this is an accident, right, it could the course

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01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: of evolution could make it less and less of an accident.

1178
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: Where this special is like, actually, I've got a pretty

1179
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: sweet deal here growing out of this frog. I got

1180
01:04:58,560 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: I got free transportation.

1181
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you kidding me? Absolutely? And as far as

1182
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: that poor little aunt, listen, we like curiosity. Don't feel

1183
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: like you can't be curious, but maybe just don't eat

1184
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 2: something in the wild. You can be curious and learn

1185
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 2: you don't have to learn by eating a fungus you're

1186
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: not sure about spores.

1187
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: And you just say no. The their program for ants

1188
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: did not work. H Nancy reag Ant was not to

1189
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: not to write on this issue. So wo before we go,

1190
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: we do got to play a little game. It is

1191
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: called the guess who squawk and Mystery animal sound game.

1192
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: Every week I play a mystery animal sound and you

1193
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: the listener, and you the guests, try to guess who

1194
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: is making that sound. The hint last week was this,

1195
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: this bearded fellow is the bell of the ball.

1196
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 2: WHOA?

1197
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: All right? So Janet, whoa?

1198
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: What happened at the end?

1199
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: It's an same animal, new sound, same animal.

1200
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: That was It dropped a sick beat at the end. Yeah, okay,

1201
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: this bearded beauty is the bearded beauty.

1202
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: This bearded beard fellow is the bearded fellow. Who's to

1203
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: say he's not beautiful? Though?

1204
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's so bearded. The thing that is confusing

1205
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: for me is like I'm realizing that I don't know

1206
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: if we use the word beard across like a bunch

1207
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: of difference fauna, or if it because I feel like

1208
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: when I think of beard, I feel like, Okay, well

1209
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: I know that the people talk about bearded lizards. I

1210
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: know people will talk about, like, you know, bearded primates,

1211
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: people talk about, you know, bearded dogs. Have I heard

1212
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 2: a beard describe? Like, who's is there a bird out

1213
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: there that's being described as being bearded? I don't know so,

1214
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: but probably, I mean, I guess probably, But beard is

1215
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: funny to imagine with something with a beak, so I guess.

1216
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 2: So the problem was is that my first inclination when

1217
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: I heard that sound was to go monkey, because I

1218
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: because I heard bearded And immediately it was like, oh, okay, well,

1219
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: you know that's a chitterer chirp that could maybe be

1220
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 2: a bird and maybe be a monkey. Again as a

1221
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: total a person who has no idea about anything. Um,

1222
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 2: then you hit me with the sounds at the end,

1223
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: and now I feel even more confused. That feels like

1224
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: again I could not know less about animals. The something

1225
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: about the rhythmic nature of that almost felt more like well,

1226
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: it felt like it was coming from the chest or

1227
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 2: throat somehow, more like the sort of pulse of like right,

1228
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: like it's this kind of explanation of sound more than

1229
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: like up in the front of the mouth or the beak,

1230
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 2: and I don't know if that again, I'm basically this

1231
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: is not absolutely nothing, but that kind of freaked me

1232
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 2: out because it was so consistent for so long that

1233
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: felt like maybe more of a bird sound. So I

1234
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: guess what I'm trying to say is I'm completely and

1235
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: totally stumped. And it may be none of the things

1236
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: I've mentioned and be a totally different creature, and I

1237
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 2: have no idea.

1238
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: You for someone who keeps saying like, oh, I don't

1239
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: know anything about animals, you your ability to zero in

1240
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: on the right questions is very impressive because you.

1241
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 2: Are right, this is a bird, okay.

1242
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: And it is coming from the throat, and you're right

1243
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: that this is a bearded bird. This is the bearded

1244
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: bell bird, so a bell of the ball.

1245
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 2: There was even more information packed into that clue than

1246
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: I realized.

1247
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: Yes, the clues, it's all, mister policeman. I've left all

1248
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: the clues. I don't remember them. But yeah, this is

1249
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:57,959
Speaker 1: a bird found in South America. It is found in Venezuela, Trinidad,

1250
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: Tobago and northern Brazil. It lives in humid forests. They

1251
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: are forgiven there.

1252
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: You are. Oh my goodness, you really have a beard.

1253
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: They really have a beard.

1254
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: You look like you hung it or you hung it

1255
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 2: around your neck.

1256
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: It is these are it kind of looks like feathers,

1257
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: but these are not feathers. These are actually wattles. So

1258
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: these are fleshy projections. Wow, coming off of their chin.

1259
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: They are Otherwise you know, they're they're nice looking. They

1260
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: have sort of like a brown head, a white body,

1261
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: and black wings. But it's that beard that is so

1262
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: unique about them.

1263
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: I have to say, it's clearly wattles. I mean, to me,

1264
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like feathers. You really can see that.

1265
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 2: It has the consistency of like almost like rubber. Like yes,

1266
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 2: if you're tapped against them, they would be like, yeah

1267
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 2: they Why did they need that for?

1268
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: That is to track the ladies to be as sexy

1269
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: as possible. They're not. You don't find that, you don't

1270
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: find that handsome.

1271
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm just so amazed because it's just

1272
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: one of those times where you know, look, I know

1273
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: we're not supposed to anthropomorphize, and I know that you know,

1274
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 2: we can't relate everything to humanity, but that being said,

1275
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 2: it's just so funny that you know, that's a real

1276
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: aesthetic choice, like like like a strap and dude with

1277
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: like a big, great lumberjack beard, you know. I mean

1278
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: that's a look, and that's a look that you know,

1279
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: some people call like the Portland, Oregon look. You know,

1280
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 2: also like being bald and having a big beard. Like

1281
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: I have several friends who sort of are rocking that

1282
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: look and they wear it well, and I like them

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Speaker 2: better with beards. I like my friends who have those beards.

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 2: I like them better with them. And so it's amazing

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Speaker 2: to me. Again, no shade to this bird unless it

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Speaker 2: wants it, which it does because it's a venezuela so

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 2: it's a lot of green, So some shade as a gift.

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Speaker 2: It's just very funny that it's like, oh, I get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: facial hair looks. Yeah, it's a good look for some people.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that it's like not good to anthropomorphize, but

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Speaker 1: I would say it's okay some situations, especially when it

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Speaker 1: comes to birds aesthetic choice, because a lot of these

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Speaker 1: choices are complete, they seem to be pretty subjective and

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Speaker 1: with no real like practical purpose, right like does this

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Speaker 1: model actually do anything? Well, not necessarily. It could just

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Speaker 1: be that the females are like that looks good. I

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Speaker 1: like that as is the call. The call is to

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Speaker 1: attract the females over and it's very very loud. It's

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Speaker 1: one of the loudest bird calls. Uh. And that is

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01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: in order to get females to come over from great distances.

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Speaker 1: And then once they get there, he will show off

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Speaker 1: his amazing bird, his amazing beard, his plumage and hope

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Speaker 1: that she is impressed. H And so yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it kind of like to kind of like people.

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Speaker 2: And I have to say too, I mean, as part

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01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: of that, like you hear that. And I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about that in terms of some of the little froggies

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Speaker 2: in Hawaii, for example, like part of being living inside

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Speaker 2: kind of a jungle environment, it seems like everybody's trying

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Speaker 2: to be louder than everybody else. So it must make

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Speaker 2: everyone so loud because there are so many sounds and

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Speaker 2: calls happening in a really lush landscape like that that

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Speaker 2: no wonder everybody has to play their music a little

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Speaker 2: bit louder than everybody else, you know. Also, yes, exactly

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Speaker 2: this led me to it also offered me up. There's

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Speaker 2: lots of wonderful pictures of the bearded bell bird, but

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Speaker 2: it also offered me up the three the three wattled

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Speaker 2: bell birds. I don't know if you've seen this. I

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 2: mean that is an amazing, like sort of Fu Manchu mustache. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and it is very special. Indeed, so I have two

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Speaker 2: new favorite birds there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the bill birds are quite ostentatious. I highly encourage

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01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: you to explore them all. But yeah, their their facial

1324
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: business is incredible and in diverse and yeah, absolutely they

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Speaker 1: are competing for yes.

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Speaker 2: No, this maating moment of what she's sitting nearby going yes, yes,

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: more please seek me.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, it's it's amazing. Uh. It is very cute

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: and kind of pathetic the way males to suit a

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:14,520
Speaker 1: lens to you across the females. No kidding, so sorry,

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: So onto the next mister annimal sound the hint is this, Well,

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Speaker 1: I've already given you a hint this episode, so no

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01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 1: more hints. All right, you got any guesses?

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Speaker 2: I mean, based on the hint about the hint, I

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: guess I would say it sounds like it could be.

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01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: And God, that's an irritating sense between that and the

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01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: sound of drones in the park when you're just like

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01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: wanting to have a nice walk you don't want to

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: hear and the sound of a mosquito in your ear.

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01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 2: I mean those are there's metallic, Yeah, those metallic, multi

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01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: level metallic person distant buzzes. Unfortunately to me, if you

1342
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: wanted to make a horror movie about people going crazy,

1343
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 2: not unlike you know, the sort of like great, you know,

1344
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: great and good rabid zombie, you know, sort of like

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: oh this is like Raby's it makes it wants to

1346
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: spread by blah blah blah. If there's some incentive to

1347
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: having a sound that makes people want to hurt each other.

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I just feel like my temper is so

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 2: much shortened by being in that noise for a length

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01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: of time.

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Speaker 1: I wish you had written bird box because I think

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: you could have made it. There you go, Yeah, you

1353
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: are absolutely correct, so which means I'm going to bleep

1354
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: out just your correct answer so other people can guess.

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01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: But the people do know, they will know that you

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 1: are correct, and so you can you have won the prize,

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: which is a thumbs up.

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01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm a painful pleaser. Just give me that. Just give

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01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: me that.

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,879
Speaker 1: A A plus with a little thunderful. Well it's scratch

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01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: and sifts you know like a little Oh, you can

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: better bundle of grapes or an orange or something. Man,

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01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: I love it.

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01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, Janet, thank you so much for joining me today.

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01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: We're Katie. They can find me, I guess mostly on Instagram.

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01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 2: I'm decent on Instagram. Blow please don't DM me. Find

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 2: me at my website Janetvarney dot com. I never check

1369
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 2: my dms, but on Instagram, at the JV Club, and

1370
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: you can listen to my podcast on Maximum fund the

1371
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 2: JV Club. You can also listen to my podcast about

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01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 2: Avatar the Last Airbender and the Legend of Cora that

1373
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,480
Speaker 2: I do for Nickelodeon Paramount, which is called Braving the Elements.

1374
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: And if for some reason you're a true crime buff

1375
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: in addition to being a fan of all things natural

1376
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: and wonderful, you can also find me on Truth and Justice,

1377
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 2: which is a wrongful convictions podcast.

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01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:52,440
Speaker 1: Amazing.

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me. This was I would do

1380
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,839
Speaker 2: this every day. This is so fun. I love your podcast.

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01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: If Janet's voice sounds familiar and you're an Avatar the

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01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: Last Airbender fan, she is the voice of Cora, and

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm you've done other voices as well. It's I have

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01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: this thing that happens when, like, you know, I watched

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01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: a lot of cartoons because I refuse to grow up.

1386
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: And if I hear a voice actor or actress and

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do I know you? Like, where do

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01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: I know you from?

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01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 3: Right?

1390
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: Because your voice is I do the same, yeah, where

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: it's like your voice is a little different from the

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: character your voice because you're you're an actress, you do

1393
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: an actual character. Then it's like, man, where do I

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01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: know you from?

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01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's well. I always like to say Korra is

1396
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: just kind of stays at a more consistent, less cartoonish level,

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01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 2: which is sort of ironic that like the cartoon I'm

1398
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: best known for is just the most kind of cool

1399
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: version of my voice, and then I'm more of a

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01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: cartoon than she is. So that's kind of how that

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01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 2: panned out.

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01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: But it's like it's but yeah, the NPR voice, But

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: that's right fantasy, Yes, that's right. Well, thank you so

1404
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: much for joining me today. And if you are enjoying

1405
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: the podcast and you leave a review. I read all

1406
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,680
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Speaker 1: I just kind of stack them up and then you know,

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Speaker 1: I you know, like in the movies, where they put

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Speaker 1: a bunch of money and then roll around on it.

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Speaker 1: guess what where have you listened to your favorite shows?

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't judge it. I'm not your mother.

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01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what to do. You got to

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Speaker 1: make these decisions for yourself. Fly, baby birds, you fly

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Speaker 1: on your own. Now it's time. See you next Wednesday.