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Speaker 1: We continue to be the most literate sports betting podcast

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Speaker 1: in America. Seth, Simon and I have been discussing all

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Speaker 1: things NFL Draft, and we will continue doing that today

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Speaker 1: with you your book from the fall. American Kings is

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Speaker 1: a primer for anybody who wants to understand not just

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Speaker 1: what makes a quarterback a quarterback, but how quarterback became

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Speaker 1: sort of the cultural touchstone that it is today, truly

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Speaker 1: royalty in the United States, tracing back the history all

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Speaker 1: the way to today. Quarterback will continue to be the

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Speaker 1: most important position in all of sports as long as

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Speaker 1: the NFL is in existence. And so for people who

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Speaker 1: might have missed that show and still have a chance

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Speaker 1: to go by the book explain to people just how

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Speaker 1: important the quarterback position is and how it evolved into

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Speaker 1: what it is today. So we can frame a little

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Speaker 1: bit about why Fernando Mendoza going number one is more

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Speaker 1: than just a guy who could save the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, that book was so much more work than the

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Speaker 2: collection that I have coming beyond that Hill. I feel

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Speaker 2: like I should have just titled that one cashing in twice.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, the quarterback position, as you know,

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Speaker 2: it's fascinated me. You know, really going back to when

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Speaker 2: I would throw footballs in the ESPN magazine offices in

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Speaker 2: even then, it was important for us to each throw

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Speaker 2: across sports, and not just in America but globally. Like

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Speaker 2: I during the course of the book, I was sitting

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Speaker 2: with the Hall of Famer Steve Young, and I asked him, like,

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Speaker 2: what are all the hats you have to wear as

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Speaker 2: started rattling them off, from field general to madne idol,

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Speaker 2: to amateur psychologists, to chief cheer leader, breathtaking asshole, spokesperson

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Speaker 2: for a multi billion dollar organization, all of these things.

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Speaker 2: And I think he got to seventeen hats total, and

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Speaker 2: none of them were. Oh, by the way, throw the

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Speaker 2: How quarterback became so celebrated and achieved such a lofty

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Speaker 2: there's also just the nuts and bolts of what does

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Speaker 2: it like to do it, what does it build within you,

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Speaker 2: what does it destroy? And what are the people who

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Speaker 2: for the rest of their life Because it assumes such

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Speaker 2: so those are the things that I was getting at.

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Speaker 2: so I think that, like of all the quarterbacks drafts

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure we could say that for other classes.

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Speaker 1: Give me a little bit of background here, just Mendoza, Like,

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Speaker 1: what is it that you see in the intangibles of

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Speaker 1: that bucket list of seventeen things, that list of seventeen

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Speaker 1: things that Steve Young is talking about. What is it

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Speaker 2: Well, really, all he has to get is one GM excited. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: thing that's most interesting to me about Mendoza is, I

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Speaker 2: that when he's, throwing if you look at some of

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Speaker 2: Boss Tom brady once we were talking about accuracy and

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Speaker 2: aspect of accuracy is. Decisiveness AND i thought that was

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Speaker 2: mendoza getting the ball out with anticipation and so you

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Speaker 2: can see that he's being decisive and playing with a

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Speaker 2: lot of. Confidence and THEN i think the final thing

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Speaker 2: is just that like his football career wasn't supposed to

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Speaker 2: WHAT i, Mean he's taken an atypical. Path AND i

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Speaker 2: think that WHEN i look At mendoza going to The

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Speaker 2: raiders of all teams and Having Tom brady on, board

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Speaker 2: so much of What Tom brady is so proud of

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Speaker 2: fact that it was a harder and more challenging path

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Speaker 2: the things he's always talking about is how lucky he

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Speaker 2: was to have no eyes on him as a, Rookie

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Speaker 2: i think that he looks at guys Like Peyton manning

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Speaker 2: like what's the the biographical intersection Between brady And, mendoza

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Speaker 2: because drafting a quarterback first overall is like the opposite

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Speaker 2: think that that's where they, cross you, know they. Intersect

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Speaker 2: is that like if they had not been so you,

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Speaker 2: know mentally, tough so strong, willed they probably would have

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Speaker 2: World but, instead you, know Especially mendoza just did something

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Speaker 2: AND i think that's probably Where brady sees someone Like

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Speaker 2: mendoza and sees a little bit of a reflection of

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Speaker 4: Experience Agree, MORE i definitely Think brady sees a lot

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Speaker 3: Mendoza the question.

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Speaker 4: Is can he get there THE nfl career, wise which

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Speaker 4: and like that's that's WHY i Think mendoza is so

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Speaker 4: perfe for The raiders is he seems like he's that

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Speaker 4: kind of. Guy D like Like, Tebow tebo's gonna outwork.

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Speaker 4: Everyone tibo just didn't have the. Skill mendoza has the.

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Speaker 4: Skill he's got the arm throwing, motion he's got the.

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Speaker 4: Footwork you, know to, me especially WHEN i talked to,

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Speaker 4: scouts the question is always going to be the number one.

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Speaker 4: Pick the pressure is just so. Insane the expectations are so.

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Speaker 4: INSANE i talked to chat all the. Time the number

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Speaker 4: one pick thing is so tough because it just doesn't work,

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Speaker 4: is honestly the only number one pick that's really worked

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Speaker 3: Years like you can go through all these number one.

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Speaker 4: Picks not only this doesn't matter so much about the

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Speaker 4: team around these, guys it matters the, organization. RIGHT a

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Speaker 4: lot of these are one picks are going to bad.

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Speaker 4: Organizations and you, know as much as we want to

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Speaker 4: say how Great Tom brady is coming in there trying

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Speaker 4: work to. Do Mike Maydock, gruden they sent The raiders

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Speaker 4: back to The Stone, age like it's taking them so

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Speaker 4: many drafts now to catch up to.

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Speaker 3: It AND i look At, mendoza love the, talent very

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Speaker 4: Him MY i try to explain to, people, though you

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Speaker 4: need to bring back expectations if he can Reach Matt,

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Speaker 4: Be, successful AN mvp, season reaching a Super bowl with The,

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Speaker 4: be a. Bust which again it's JUST i would love

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Speaker 4: See mendoza's career?

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Speaker 3: Projecting what kind of envision do you have for?

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Speaker 4: Him is he the type of guy WHERE i can't see,

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Speaker 4: Right that his body doesn't hold up, right that he

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Speaker 4: lets he carries that. Weight can he keep adding to?

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Speaker 4: That because WHEN i look at this, class he's the

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Speaker 3: He's not held.

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Speaker 4: Up mendonna's got the. Body mendoza's got the big broad.

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Speaker 4: Shoulders he's like you, said he's six four sixty. Five

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Speaker 4: he is exactly what these scouts are looking. For, like

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Speaker 4: can you do you agree with me? There is he

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Speaker 4: more likely to be a? Buster or do you think

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Speaker 4: the way you project out fro? Him can he be

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Speaker 4: a solidified fifteen year ten year starter in this?

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Speaker 2: LEAGUE i MEAN i like his chances of being a

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Speaker 2: that like he's gonna enter into a situation that has some.

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Speaker 2: Benefits you, know look at like him And Caleb, williams all,

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Speaker 2: and you know he's playing for an organization that had

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Speaker 2: Right when he was at The, saints he was looking

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Speaker 2: it Including chad's Boy Kayleb williams And Bo nick's by

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Speaker 4: Think back to That Wentz Jared goff draft Where Dak

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Speaker 3: Don't AND i always loved going back to his draft

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Speaker 4: Know we don't believe it, now But tua was supposed

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Speaker 4: That Jordan love went ahead Of. Hurts and to, me

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Speaker 4: League obviously he worked on, that he worked on his,

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Speaker 4: Legs so WHEN i look At, MENDOZA i really do,

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Speaker 4: is do you think his game from college can transition

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Speaker 2: think that like that's such a critical. Factor brady is,

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Speaker 2: situation With. Bendoza there's two routes to win in THE.

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Speaker 2: Making And tom had three rings because you, know there

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Speaker 2: was no rookie, salary rookie wage, cap and these agents

434
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Speaker 2: Like Tom condon And Jimmy sexton would just hold up,

435
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Speaker 2: teams and you, know it ended up being a blessing

436
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Speaker 2: for those guys, financially BUT i think a complete curse

437
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: in every single. Way AND i think that's one of

438
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: the reasons why so few of those, guys maybe Only

439
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Speaker 2: stafford truly became universally considered a right was because they're

440
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: going to bad. Teams they're getting paid a ton of,

441
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: money so there's fewer good players to surround them. With

442
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: the coaches are under more pressure than ever to make

443
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Speaker 2: it work with. Them there's all these cultural problems within

444
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 2: the locker room because you have guys who have established

445
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: themselves who aren't making as much as he, is and

446
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: all of those things colluded against a lot of these

447
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: guys being. Successful AND i think that like the other

448
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: route is the you, Know hurts a little bit, route

449
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: The Russell wilson route With, seattle the route that the

450
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: forty nine ers tried to take With Brock, purdy where you,

451
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: know they clearly got to the overtime of A Super bowl.

452
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: Win The broncos are doing with Bow Knicks patriots With

453
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: Drake may where it's, like you, know you basically take

454
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: a guy you hope he works, out but if you

455
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: have to cut your. Losses it doesn't screw up your

456
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: franchise for the entire. Time and so that's what they're gonna.

457
00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: Do Like brady has said. That you, know we're in

458
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: his living room once and you, know we were talking

459
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: about the early part of his career and he's, like,

460
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: yeah we are a defensive team AND i just kind

461
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: of managed the. Game AND i was, like, DUDE i

462
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: don't think. SO i, mean he led the league in

463
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464
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: him and he was, like it wasn't that, many, Though

465
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: and you know he won Super, bowls especially the Second Super,

466
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Speaker 2: bowl you, know by throwing the ball forty some. TIMES i,

467
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: mean that's not a game, manager but he HE i

468
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: think what he was trying to, say and he's kind

469
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: of said this since, then is that he didn't think

470
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 2: he was consistently excellent for a long, time and he

471
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: didn't think till two thousand and four he was consistently.

472
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Speaker 2: Excellent so that's one to two oh, three two Super

473
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: bowls in three years before he thought he was consistently.

474
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Speaker 2: Excellent and SO i think, that like the model for

475
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Speaker 2: Bringing mendoza into the league is the same type of

476
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: thing where it's like you're managing. Someone so that, means,

477
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: yeah you're going to run RPOs and, things you, know

478
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,680
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Speaker 1: out of high. School it's not like he was some

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Speaker 1: guy who got plucked from obscurity Into. Michigan he was

529
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,880
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00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: Schools you don't get To michigan because you're not a

531
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: superior athlete who shows a lot of. Potential the idea

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00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: That brady came out of nowhere and was sort of

533
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Speaker 1: an inferior, ATHLETE i think it's become such a part

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00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,680
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00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: Busting, YEAH i mean he was always first of, all

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Speaker 2: if you watch his film In michigan or even in high.

537
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: SCHOOL i, mean the guy just he could. Throw he

538
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: had he was a phenomenal what they call arm. Talent

539
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: AND i think that the problem was was that it

540
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: came out of what was a gangly, body and he

541
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: had horrible foot. SPEED i think we could just say,

542
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: that you know WHAT i. Mean and even though he

543
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: was he could have played pro, baseball he Wasn't Ricky.

544
00:29:53,080 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: Henderson and SO i think, that like you combine all

545
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 2: of those things with the fact of his situation At

546
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: michigan where you, know the, coaches at least the head,

547
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: coach you, know wasn't sure he really wanted him to

548
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: be the starting, quarterback and that was kind of the

549
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: thing that dogged. Him AND i think, that like we

550
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: were smarter about even though we're not, perfect we're so

551
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: much smarter about evaluating quarterbacks now than we were back.

552
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: Then and it was partly because of him and his.

553
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: Success and there's a lot of guys in that, time

554
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: like there Was Kurt warner, first Then brady then Like jake.

555
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: DeLoone you, know there's all these guys who kind of

556
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 2: like came out of, nowhere who were really coming in

557
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: and playing well in the. League, whereas, like if you

558
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: look at it really since LIKE i want to say

559
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: That Eli, Manning, Roethlisberger Philip, riverstraft just about every good

560
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: quarterback ends up being a first round. PICK i mean

561
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: there's people Like Brock, purty you, know who are, outliers

562
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: but just about all of them are our first round.

563
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: Picks and you, know, like but but, yeah when you

564
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: look back At, BRADY i think, that like we want

565
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: to think, that you, know nobody had ever heard of

566
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: the guy when he was playing At michigan in front

567
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: of one hundred and something thousand, people Beating Ohio state

568
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: and you, know winning a lot of big games in

569
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: The Big.

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00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: TEN i, mean he was thrown for three hundred and

571
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: fifty yards in bowl. Games it's not like it's not

572
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: like he was it's not like he was a. Scrub you,

573
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: know we had on one of the co hosts For Fantasy,

574
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: pros which is a big, podcast Named Derrek, brown who

575
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: loves to scout the, draft and we were having a

576
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: long conversation About Ty, Simpson and obviously Ty simpson's name

577
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot of attention the past few. Weeks

578
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: Dan orlofsky has been saying that he thinks he can

579
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: be the number one. Pick. Whatever it's, Absurd, yeah but

580
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: when you look at Ty, simpson how much of do

581
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: you think the way he's being scouted is As derek would,

582
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: say they're scouting the helmet versus scouting the.

583
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: Guy, yeah how do you separate player from? System AND

584
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: i think that we talk about system quarterbacks with kind

585
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: of it's a backhanded, compliment, RIGHT i mean we think

586
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: of Like Chad, pennington you know WHAT i, mean this

587
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: guy who would lead the league IN arc and you

588
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: know he you, know everyone's, like, oh that's the perfect

589
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: system quarterback who just does smart things with the. Ball

590
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: but he's Not Caleb, williams you, know making these crazy.

591
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: Throws and like every quarterback is a system. Quarterback like

592
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: there's some of them Like caleb who can do things

593
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: outside of the system that are really. Special But Caleb

594
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: williams a is a system quarterback because look at him

595
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: his first year and look at him his second. YEAR

596
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: i mean the statistics and the the present since or

597
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: just night and, day If Joe montana had not been

598
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: drafted by a brilliant coach who happened to have come

599
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: up with a system that was perfectly well suited For

600
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: Joe montana's, SKILLS i don't know if we're ever really

601
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: talking about, him, so, like how do you separate? THEM

602
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: i don't quite. KNOW i think that the biggest thing

603
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: THAT i see With simpson that worries me is just the.

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00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 2: HEIGHT i just think, that like IF i was at

605
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: a Super bowl party And i'm like six'. TO one

606
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: i was at A super bowl PARTY and i look

607
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: over and there's this guy next, to me And It's,

608
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: miles GARRETT and i, was like oh, My, god like

609
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 2: how do you ever throw over? That guy like if you're,

610
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: a quarterback how do you ever? Do it because he

611
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: was so tall and he didn't even have his, Arms

612
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: UP and i, was like how would you ever if you're?

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00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: Rock party how do you ever get the ball over?

614
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: This guy AND so i, think that like he ends

615
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: up being one of the MEASURABLES that i think matters quite.

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00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: A bit and, YOU know i think that if you're, six'

617
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: one you're really hoping that you go to, a perfect

618
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 2: system like brock Perty Did, with kyle shanahan where they

619
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: figure out ways to open up windows for you to,

620
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: see the field because that's going to, be really tough

621
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: and in college it's just, it's just easier and like

622
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 2: height matter so much less in college, because you can,

623
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: first of all the defensive linemen are all all aren't six.

624
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: Four and above but you can figure out ways again

625
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: to create space both within the passing game in the

626
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: secondary and blocking, in the pocket to make, things a lot,

627
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 2: as they say like a clearer picture. For the quarterback

628
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: SO that's what i worry.

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Speaker 1: ABOUT with him i have two let's make a list.

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00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: Questions for you the first one is about systems and

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00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: coaches and over the past, couple of years especially This

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00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,680
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00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: all of This conversation about kevin O'Connell and what He Is,

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Speaker 1: for kirk cousins what he Had Done, for sam darnold

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00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: what he Had Done, For daniel jones what DIDN'T happen,

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00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: with jj McCarthy what Could Happen. With kyler murray if

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00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: you were to rank quarterback whispers right NOW, in the

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00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: nfl whose system is most, friendly to quarterbacks and there's

639
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: so many guys That, could, be. Shanahan, McVeigh, O'Connell now

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00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: kubiak how? Would YOU order. AND i don't i don't.

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00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: WANT your order i want your order based on your

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00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: sources telling you who they think is the best quarterback

643
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: WHISPER in the? Nfl right now? Who is in who?

644
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: ARE people in Awe Could? Be, SEAN payton.

645
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean i think they'd probably go with, the

646
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: older guys which Would. SAY read, peyton i, mean it's

647
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: funny But McVeigh and shanahan are kind of, older, guys

648
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: now yeah even though. They seem, Young you know kyle's

649
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: got more great than both, You, And me chad so

650
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: you know they would. Go WITH them and i think

651
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: O'Connor would be. Up there, too you know that's THE sense.

652
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: THAT i GET i mean, i, think that, like you

653
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: know we have a recency BIAS, in the nfl like

654
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: and in. SPORTS in, general i, mean you know we

655
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: love to see who did what most recently and sort

656
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: of crown them when you Know People like andy Reid

657
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: And and sean payton have done it. For decades now

658
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: AND you know i would push back. A little bit

659
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: you know this Idea that like dak is automatically the

660
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: best quarterback out, of that draft, BECAUSE you know i

661
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: think that like what McVeigh was able to do with

662
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: GoF and what gough was able TO do in la

663
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: and has, DONE since then i think are pretty. PRETTY impressive,

664
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: things i mean it's a, good debate regardless BUT that's what. I, would.

665
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Say well this is my question For. You, at simon simon.

666
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: You go first and there's a Very specific reason. I'm

667
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: asking this you can have one quarterback next year To Win.

668
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: A super bowl so it's taking out age, as, a

669
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: factor right because you just want, the best player the

670
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: best quarterback who can Win You a super. Bowl next

671
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: year who? Is, that quarterback simon.

672
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: You. Go first mahomes Every. TIME it's mahomes i don't

673
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: even care if he's playing on one, leg next year

674
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: it's still who Is the guy when the other team

675
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 4: looks across The sideline in january and they blow it

676
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: and the, Other guy doesn't.

677
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: Mahomes just he's.

678
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: The cheat code, AND you know i won't get too,

679
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: much into It but what seth talked about a little

680
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: bit is a. LOT of, Scouts, i know chad if

681
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 4: you're left handed or if you're under, six to one

682
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: you are off. Their draft board they want to waste

683
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: a second and, you'll, be like well isn't that aren't

684
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 4: they going to miss the diamond? In, the rough sure

685
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: but that is the. RAREST of, diamonds i mean it's

686
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: just the left handed quarterback thing is. A Real, THING

687
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 4: like penix i know that, Was. Your guy chad people

688
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: did not. Have another drought, by the way.

689
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: Everyone on this show, Is, My, Guy, caleb mendoza penix all.

690
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Of the true, BY the way I freakingly Loved, panix at.

691
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Indiana loved, them.

692
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: So yeah that's. Again for me i'm if, IT ain't

693
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: broke i ain't gonna try. TO fix It.

694
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: I just mahomes this is if you're A believer in

695
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: mahomes and. Betting future markets this is as low as

696
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 4: he's been since. His rookie year like it's just he's not.

697
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: Being talked, about you know look at us going On

698
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 4: around by mendoza in the toughest. Division all, Football so

699
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 4: yeah i'm just Just here where seth. Goes To this

700
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: But i'm still i'm still Heavily. Biased, TOWARDS mahomes yeah i.

701
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: Mean it's hard to ever ever bet against fifteen because

702
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: he's done it more times than the other guys have

703
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: even had a chance, to. DO it, right i mean

704
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: he's Been Down into super bowls, and come, through you

705
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: know And You watch josh allen and, you're just like

706
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: you think you've never seen a. PLAYER like, him i,

707
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: mean you know It's Like if michael vick had lived

708
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: up to everything he could have been, and Is Better.

709
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: THAT'S josh, Allen i uh chad knows this and it'll

710
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: be this, will be out. You KNOW soon but i

711
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: spent the entire playoff Run With, the DENVER broncos so i,

712
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 2: had ALL access and i was, in every, meeting every

713
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: decision every, game planning session all, of THIS stuff and

714
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: i just wanted to witness what the playoffs were like.

715
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: From the inside and part of what they need to

716
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: do as coaches is figure out ways to be honest

717
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: in their assessment of their own team. And the opponent

718
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: and so when you're About To play josh allen as

719
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: they did in, THE first, round i mean what. Do

720
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: you do what do You Say about josh allen, other

721
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: than like the guy is by far the best PLAYER

722
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: in the, nfl right now and we, have to hope

723
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: YOU know. What i mean so, you have to, like

724
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: number one make sure that the players understand how, good

725
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: he is, but number two figure out ways to give

726
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: rooted in factual insight into him that give them confidence

727
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: that they can do something. Productive against him and one

728
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: of the things that Came Up, WITH josh allen i

729
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: have to go back and, look at this but like

730
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: it was like something like eighty seven out of his

731
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: career ninety something interceptions that Weren't like hail mary interceptions

732
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: were thrown. From the pocket and, so, that, said like

733
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: look if you keep this guy, in the pocket odds

734
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: are he'll. Give you one and if you let him

735
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: scramble and he has a clear read of the field and,

736
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: nobody around him you're probably going to get chewed. Up

737
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: pretty good and he threw two interceptions in that Playoff

738
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: game against denver and they were. From the pocket and,

739
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: SO you know i don't know if a statistic like

740
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: That Exists, for patrick mahomes WHICH is why i think

741
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: you have to like go with him As Great as,

742
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: josh allen is but it's just kind of interesting how

743
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 2: we look, at these guys, how they're perceived and then

744
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: you know the ways that you might be able to

745
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: increase the odds of being. Successful against them you.

746
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 4: Saw the Biggest change with mahomes was the, too. High safety, Right,

747
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: It was okay mahomes got the best drums, in the

748
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: league let's make them beat us five yards, at a

749
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 4: time which he could do when he had a Thirty

750
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: Year old Travis Kelcey. At tyreek hill now that they've

751
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: missed on These receivers and, kelsey's aged out you see

752
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: it in Those. Games of mahomes every those three, four

753
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: five yards it's a grind because he doesn't have the

754
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: weapons like.

755
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: He used to so that's the.

756
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: Coolest thing too for ME is the nfl always adjusted

757
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 4: to these incredible talents and you, see, it's like okay

758
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: you are the best ever of. These deep balls gonna.

759
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 4: Take that away and now And you see mahomes, throw

760
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: deep boss, people, Question like oh mahomes isn't even that

761
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 4: good of throwing.

762
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 3: Deep passes anymore.

763
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: It's like yeah because you only gets to do it

764
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 4: maybe once. Every three games it's just the teams have totally.

765
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 4: Taken it away and that's like. You Just Said the,

766
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: josh allen part it felt like he. Had no weakness

767
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 4: and you've highlighted what teams are really attacked with is

768
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 4: they don't, rush, those edges right they. Keep them hovering

769
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: they just, gonna see them keep them. In the, Pocket,

770
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: it's like okay he's. Gonna burn Us It. Is josh

771
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: allen but you've seen how teams are really taking that

772
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: step back of he doesn't have a, Number Of. Receiver

773
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 4: josh allen let's make him bedous, With, His, arm like

774
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: okay is He gonna hit kincaid for fifteen yards, up,

775
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: the middle yes but we'll take that.

776
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: Away next play make them force them outside to his.

777
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 4: Number OF, receiver SO i, LIKE i said i love

778
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: the chess, match of football.

779
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: And people get on me all the.

780
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: Time about it you've never seen a higher, level, right

781
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 4: now defenses it's. Never Even Harder, even tom brady the,

782
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 4: greatest quarterback ever talks about how he wishes he could

783
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 4: come back because.

784
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: He sees so many little weaknesses.

785
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 4: In these defenses, because he says it's the same defense

786
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: as they were running the early two thousand, and these

787
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: guys young guys aren't. Used to it but he He's

788
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: a guy. I've seen this that's Why you saw stafford.

789
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: Do so well stafford saw these defenses in two thousand

790
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: and two, Thousand AND nine so i. Love that stuff

791
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: just bringing back old school stuff with. New age players

792
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: it's it's one of my favorite. PARTS to watch i don't,

793
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: Know about you steth if you, catch THAT stuff but

794
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: i am.

795
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 2: Intrigued by it it was Always like what belichick would

796
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: do in big games when facing great passers is he

797
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: would give them the run. And dare Them Like, with

798
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: peyton manning he had a defense where he had no

799
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: interior defensive tackles and so he this was in. A

800
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: playoff game He Was giving peyton manning the run, up

801
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: the middle letting him call run, up the middle, up

802
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: the gap betting that a player Is Gifted as peyton

803
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: manning would get bored calling that play and eventually would,

804
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 2: JUST say like i just can't, take it anymore even

805
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 2: though he's giving. It to them and when he would change,

806
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: out of that he'd go right. Into A trap and,

807
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: i think that like, you see that that was what

808
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: his game plan, with You know the bills in The Nineteen,

809
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: ninety Super bowl the rams in the two Thousand And,

810
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: one Super, bowl facing, peyton you know he would he

811
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: would give them the give, away the run betting that

812
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: their egos wouldn't let. Them take it beat the hell

813
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: out of. The wide receivers he was Fearless about playing

814
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: manda man defense and then again just play safe defense

815
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: and make them dink and dunk, down the field thinking

816
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: that they just don't have the, patients for it and

817
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: then they'll either the odds or the patients. To do

818
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: it and that was the thing that teams always tried To,

819
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: do with brady especially at the end, of his career

820
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 2: not knowing That that was brady's that he, loved doing

821
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: that like he loved taking. The check down if you

822
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: look at a Lot Of The, patriots super bowls they're

823
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: running back often were the leading receivers in those games

824
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: because he would love nothing more than to drop the

825
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: ball off, to.

826
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: YOU.

827
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: Know j r redmond and to pull like, a you

828
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: know a deep cut there, and you know get them

829
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: the ball in space and just keep. Moving the Chains

830
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: and his, brady got older teams started to, give him

831
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: that thinking that that was the best way, to defense him,

832
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: when in fact the teams that defenced him well were

833
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: the ones that dared him to throw deep and took away,

834
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: the INSIDE stuff and i thought that was kind of

835
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: an interesting chess match that, you talk about and it

836
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: kind of speaks To like who brady was and how

837
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: he was coached that the best way of shutting down

838
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: the greatest quarterback ever was to actually force him to

839
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: make the most. Highlight worthy, Throws.

840
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: You know seth it's been a Minute since that. Bronco

841
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: season ended you might want to get that story in before.

842
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: Next season starts i'm trying when, you were there since

843
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: you open the door and don't give. Away too much.

844
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: There's a lot of shit. To, Go through jad it's a.

845
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: LOT of stuff.

846
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: I get it. I get, It i mean i've practically

847
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: written a book in the time since, that season ended

848
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: and that story. Is, coming out obviously everything with that

849
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: season changed in one of those last plays of the Game,

850
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: with bo nix, and it changed like pull back the

851
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: curtain a little bit on what it's like in, that

852
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: locker room in that moment when all, of a sudden

853
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: it could have been a Play Call that. Sean payton

854
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: regretted it could have been a moment he didn't even

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Speaker 1: realize was going. To be significant when you're there and

856
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: all of a, sudden they, realize oh fuck we just

857
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: won this game and We lost the we won the

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00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: battle and we, lost the.

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Speaker 2: WAR basically ABSOLUTELY i mean i Was there when, sean

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00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: Found out and i'll refrain from giving too many details

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00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: because it's it was a pretty interesting. Moment TO witness,

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Speaker 2: but i, mean just, imagine you know you spend all

863
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: year with the, with one goal, And you know sean

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00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: was saying, in training camp We're a. Super bowl team

865
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Speaker 2: this team has a, and you know, everybody, was, like,

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Speaker 2: dude whatever man and then everything during the. Season, comes,

867
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: Up denver Right chiefs and mahomes have, an off year

868
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: and then. He Gets hurt, the chargers are which were

869
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: The team that sean waited wanted to face the least

870
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: in the playoffs because they matched Up, well against, denver

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00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: get bounced you Know. By, the patriots, patriots. You know

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Speaker 2: beatable let's just put, it that way YOU know. What

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00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: i mean there's nothing nobody's Looking at the, patriots saying

874
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: like how are we ever going to? Beat These guys

875
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: joe burrow, Misses The playoffs lamar jackson. Missus the playoffs

876
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: all these things came Up. Right for denver they end up,

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00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: with you know the first the top SEED in the

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00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: afc and the bye and they go and face the

879
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: game's best player and beat. Him in overtime, and you

880
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 2: know within twenty, minutes of that you, go from thinking,

881
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: oh my god everything IS coming as i, saw it

882
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: happening to unless we pull off something that hasn't happened since,

883
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two. Our season's over like that was a startling,

884
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: moment to witness and it was a very very you guys,

885
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: KNOW as reporters i, mean you know it's like you

886
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: hardly ever witness moments that are truly pure and. Honest

887
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: AND revealing and i will always remember That meeting when

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00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: sean was Told that bo nix was out and watching

889
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: how he handled it, in THAT moment because, i mean

890
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: again you, go, from thinking Like if bo, nix is

891
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: available they win.

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00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: That, that game yeah.

893
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: There's no doubt, and you know those opportunities where everything

894
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: comes up, denver happened once you know, for your team

895
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: happened once every like five years, If you're lucky and

896
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: that was how. Hard it was that's what.

897
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: It makes everything about winning a title feel that. Much more,

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Speaker 1: miraculous you know in one of The people that i'm

899
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Speaker 1: talking to for My book that, i've you know we

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Speaker 1: had a lot of progress on they when they. Were

901
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: in college, they're so smart and they got into the

902
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: sports and analytics community and they, spent consecutive summers one

903
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: Working for the browns in college and one Working for the.

904
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: Eagles in college and, they love football they love being,

905
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: in the space but they decided they didn't want to

906
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: go work for a because because they were never going

907
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: to get full control over play calling and they felt

908
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: like if they were in the front office just, doing

909
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: the analysis even IF, they were gm there's so much

910
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: stuff that is so out of your control because of

911
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: injuries and bad calls and bad fumbles and bad bounces that,

912
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: your entire career you can miss out on winning the

913
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Speaker 1: ultimate prize based on things that. You cannot dictate and.

914
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: It's so frustrating and that is something that Happened to the.

915
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Broncos this year and it actually when, that moment happens

916
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: you just feel for everybody because you know that it's

917
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Speaker 1: all that are going to. Be thinking about it's going

918
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Speaker 1: to be twelve months of every single day thinking, about that.

919
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Speaker 2: Moment, and you know to tie, IT full circle i

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Speaker 2: mean like we cannot know what happens, on the field

921
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: and you can't accurately refer, quarter you know judge quarterback

922
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: play unless you know what the intent of. The play

923
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: is because the human error factor comes in so much more.

924
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: Than anybody realizes like you have some receivers who aren't

925
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: good at, catching certain routes.

926
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: So.

927
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Speaker 2: You know you don't, think about that YOU know what

928
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: i mean that maybe a receiver catches the fade better

929
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: than they catch. The square in and so if they

930
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: have a, square in called or if the defense knows

931
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: that and they're going to force them to run a

932
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: square in and take, away the fade you have to account.

933
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: For other things you have, offensive Linemen who like denver's

934
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: all pro guard was, great all year had a horrible Game. Against,

935
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: the patriots like of all The things that broncos factored

936
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Speaker 2: in trying to how do we win with a backup

937
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: QUARTERBACK In the, afc championship game having their role pro

938
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: guard get their get his butt Beat against the patriots wasn't.

939
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: One of them, you have matchups you have all of

940
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 2: these things that, come into play and so when you

941
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: look at a quarterback, and, you say, oh you know

942
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: his completion percentage. Isn't very good, he you know he.

943
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: Must be inaccurate like there's so many factors that go

944
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: into just completion percentage that make it a difficult, Statistic

945
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: to judge, like you know, maybe you know. Maybe It's

946
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: Not maybe aaron rodgers is the most accurate passer ever

947
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: and it's obvious because the guy could always put the ball.

948
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 2: Whereever he wanted but you're talking about a superhuman. Level

949
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: of quarterbacking and when we're trying to evaluate, college quarterbacks

950
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: again it's so hard to trust statistics, because statistics lie

951
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: especially in. The, College, game, Well.

952
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Speaker 1: Seth listen i'm sure it's going to be a perfectly

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964
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Speaker 3: Is actual Comments Made by. Scounce Straft profile aaron rodgers

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Speaker 3: get

973
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Speaker 4: Sacked a lot doesn't have ability to change the release,

974
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Speaker 4: of the football can't create on his own, panics under

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Speaker 4: pressure gets flustered easily