1
00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,520
Speaker 1: Mute from us. If it doesn't work, you're just not

2
00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:26,120
Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, Military Nails.

3
00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm straight talk with the guys in the community.

4
00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,239
Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? Welcome to another exciting episode of

5
00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,360
Speaker 2: soft Rep Radio. I am the one and only your

6
00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,080
Speaker 2: host rad That's right, you already know that because you

7
00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,360
Speaker 2: clicked on the title, you already know who my guest is.

8
00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,800
Speaker 2: But before I introduce you to my next guest for

9
00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,159
Speaker 2: this awesome episode, I just want to tell you that

10
00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,960
Speaker 2: we've really appreciated seeing the spike in the merch store. Okay, really,

11
00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,280
Speaker 2: the fireplace is natural gas that takes the money to

12
00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,880
Speaker 2: keep going, So thank you for buying the merch Okay.

13
00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,200
Speaker 2: I also want to say that if you go to

14
00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,640
Speaker 2: staff rep dot com Forward slash Book hyphen Club that's

15
00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 2: book Hyphened Club, you can check out our book club

16
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,440
Speaker 2: that has been designed by guys in the Special Forces

17
00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,279
Speaker 2: community that think that you should read a book because

18
00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,399
Speaker 2: they probably read books and maybe you should give one

19
00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,399
Speaker 2: a chance. So go check out our book club at

20
00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,080
Speaker 2: stoft rep dot com Forward Slash Book hyphen Club. Now

21
00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a moment here to introduce my next guest.

22
00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna get my thoughts about me. You guys

23
00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,200
Speaker 2: know how I roll. And so today's guest is retired

24
00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,399
Speaker 2: Colonel step D. Crumbrick and he is the Chief of

25
00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,360
Speaker 2: Staff of Special Operations Command Central. I'm gonna read his

26
00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,080
Speaker 2: bio about him and then he can say hello. So

27
00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,200
Speaker 2: give me just a second, Dame. Colonel Seth Cumbrick graduated

28
00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,559
Speaker 2: from Tulane University in nineteen ninety four, where he received

29
00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,160
Speaker 2: a bachelor's degree in Latin America Studies. He was commissioned

30
00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,720
Speaker 2: as a second lieutenant through the ROT program in ninety four.

31
00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,000
Speaker 2: Colonel Cumbric was assigned to Germany, serving in the two

32
00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,120
Speaker 2: sixty seventh Armor Battalion and one first CALV Squadron as

33
00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,680
Speaker 2: a leader and staff officer prior to completing Special Forces training.

34
00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,680
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, after completion of Special Forces Detachment

35
00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,600
Speaker 2: Officers Qualification Course, Colonel Cromric was assigned to Alpha Company,

36
00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,480
Speaker 2: second Battalion, fifth Special Forces Group, Airborne Operational Detachment Alpha

37
00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,679
Speaker 2: ODA five four to six, where he served as attachment

38
00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,359
Speaker 2: Detachment commander and deployed in the initial invasion of Afghanistan

39
00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,600
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one following OEF, which stands for

40
00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,640
Speaker 2: Operation Enduring Freedom One. Colonel Kromrick served as the fifth

41
00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,919
Speaker 2: Special Forces Group, a regional Regional Survey Team commander, serving

42
00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,600
Speaker 2: throughout the Middle East and the Horn of Africa. In

43
00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,280
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, Colonel Cromrick served as an s

44
00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,080
Speaker 2: F Branch Assignment Officer as the U. S Army's Human

45
00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,480
Speaker 2: REFOCE Command. Then earned a master's degree in Defense Defense

46
00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,560
Speaker 2: and Analysts from the Naval post Graduate School. At two

47
00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,239
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, he returned to the Fifth Group and

48
00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,959
Speaker 2: deployed numerous times to Operation Iraqi Freedom. After his tours

49
00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,840
Speaker 2: in Fifth Group, he served in the National Capital Region,

50
00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,280
Speaker 2: serving on the Joint Staff and in the Chief of

51
00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,079
Speaker 2: Staff of the Army's Office. Colonel Cromrick commanded a battalion

52
00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,360
Speaker 2: to the Special Warfare Center and School had served as

53
00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,040
Speaker 2: the SWCSG three. He was a Senior Military Fellow at

54
00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,960
Speaker 2: Stafford University. Most recently he was the Garrison Commander at

55
00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,200
Speaker 2: for Irwin, which is the National Training Center. I'm going

56
00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,000
Speaker 2: to go over some of his awards here. Colonel Cromrick's

57
00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,000
Speaker 2: awards and decorations include the Legion of Merit, the Bronze Star,

58
00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,640
Speaker 2: the Defense Notorious Service Medal with oak leaf clusters, the

59
00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,320
Speaker 2: Meritorious Service Medal, the Fifth Army Achievement Medal, the Joint

60
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,520
Speaker 2: Meritorious Unit Award, the Army Superior Unit Award, National Defense

61
00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,200
Speaker 2: Service Medal, Second Award, the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, the

62
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,720
Speaker 2: Iraq Campaign Medal, the Afghanistan Campaign Medal, the Global War

63
00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,640
Speaker 2: on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, the Global Warfare on Terrorism Service Medal,

64
00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,080
Speaker 2: the Armed Service Ribbon, the Overseas Service Ribbon, the Combat

65
00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 2: and Infantrymen's Badge, the CIB that everybody wants, the Ranger Tab,

66
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,520
Speaker 2: the Special Forces Tab, the Military free Fall Parachuters Halo,

67
00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,920
Speaker 2: the Parachute's Badge, the Joint Staff Identification Badge, the man,

68
00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,480
Speaker 2: the myth, the legend. That is just what is a

69
00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,640
Speaker 2: little bit of what I've touched base with. You're probably

70
00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,120
Speaker 2: a whole lot of other things. So welcome to the show.

71
00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,360
Speaker 2: Seth Cromrick, Welcome.

72
00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,599
Speaker 3: Hell Rad. Thank you. By the way, if I could

73
00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,039
Speaker 3: still write awards, I would give you an award for

74
00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,600
Speaker 3: reading all of that because that was impressive. It's a

75
00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,800
Speaker 3: pleasure to be here. Look forward to talking with you,

76
00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,560
Speaker 3: getting to know you, talking to your audience about my experiences.

77
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,800
Speaker 3: I think there's some interesting stories to tell us. So

78
00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,279
Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to this meeting.

79
00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,039
Speaker 2: You know, prior to us going live, you know, Seth,

80
00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,279
Speaker 2: we were just mentioning that my dad sits on the

81
00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,839
Speaker 2: mantle just every show, and he's a Green Beret. But

82
00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,600
Speaker 2: something that I noticed that you being a Green Beret

83
00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,320
Speaker 2: Special Forces. He had a master's in Human resource and Business.

84
00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we used to say that in Special Operations, green

85
00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,840
Speaker 3: Berets get paid from the neck up. You're supposed to

86
00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,920
Speaker 3: be a commando from the neck down. But when we

87
00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,599
Speaker 3: go through our course, we teach not only do you

88
00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,440
Speaker 3: get all the commando training and all of special operations training,

89
00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,640
Speaker 3: but we also teach you a language. You learn about culture.

90
00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,039
Speaker 3: You are getting paid to problem solve and understand the

91
00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,560
Speaker 3: world through soft skills as well as hard skills, to

92
00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,440
Speaker 3: be able to be that guy that we can send

93
00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,560
Speaker 3: it the Forwardage of Freedom with a quarter inch of intent,

94
00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,680
Speaker 3: a bag of money, and a bunch of guns and

95
00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,440
Speaker 3: go make national security happen. Yeah.

96
00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,760
Speaker 2: Really, you guys, you know, growing up in that family

97
00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,799
Speaker 2: and that culture, dad always deployed. We kind of stayed

98
00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,880
Speaker 2: in a foundation in my community. I kept going to

99
00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,720
Speaker 2: the same different schools in my area. You know, I

100
00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,120
Speaker 2: didn't have to go to different states, different bases. Well,

101
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you were at a high level. You were

102
00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,440
Speaker 2: running a mops bro in and out. I was out.

103
00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,560
Speaker 3: I moved fifteen times in my twenty eight year career,

104
00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,320
Speaker 3: so it was all over the place. And that doesn't

105
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,640
Speaker 3: count all the deployment. So it's been a nomadic journey.

106
00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,440
Speaker 3: But look, I wouldn't change it out for anything. It

107
00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,599
Speaker 3: was so fascinating and interesting. And when you look at

108
00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,479
Speaker 3: your career and you look back in your life, you

109
00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,240
Speaker 3: wanted to be in an adventure. You wanted to be

110
00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,600
Speaker 3: like called the wild, something interesting, you know, something that

111
00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,000
Speaker 3: really had that Sisteine Chapel divine spark to it. And

112
00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,640
Speaker 3: that's nothing against people that don't choose this line of work,

113
00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,599
Speaker 3: but for young people that are looking for this really

114
00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,919
Speaker 3: interesting life, you were not going to do any better

115
00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,039
Speaker 3: than special operations.

116
00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,040
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, if you really want to go after that,

117
00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,039
Speaker 2: then you just got to put your foot forward, go

118
00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 2: talk to your local career counselor at the Army and say.

119
00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,160
Speaker 3: Hey, how can I be like Seth the SETH program,

120
00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,240
Speaker 3: which means you can make a lot of mistakes and

121
00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,479
Speaker 3: learn the hard way, which is most of the time.

122
00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,960
Speaker 3: But look, i had a phenomenal twenty eight year career,

123
00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,359
Speaker 3: an amazing transition, and now I'm working for a great

124
00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,920
Speaker 3: global security company, Global Guardian, which has been incredible. Or

125
00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,840
Speaker 3: I've able to take all of my experiences and then

126
00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,400
Speaker 3: be able to apply them to clients and corporations. Now

127
00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,679
Speaker 3: it's been magnificent. But the journey was a tough one,

128
00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,120
Speaker 3: and you know, look in our conversation, I'll get a

129
00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,640
Speaker 3: chance to kind of get in there and be really

130
00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,320
Speaker 3: honest about what worked for me and what some of

131
00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,760
Speaker 3: the tough points were and how I was able to

132
00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,120
Speaker 3: make that transition, because it's probably one of the toughest

133
00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,040
Speaker 3: things for anybody in uniform, is that step when you

134
00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,120
Speaker 3: leave uniform. You're leaving your identity, you're leaving your tribe,

135
00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,680
Speaker 3: and you're going into a brand new world. And it's

136
00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,480
Speaker 3: a really tough and scary experience. But if you get

137
00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,000
Speaker 3: the right team with you, you can absolutely knock it

138
00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:19,520
Speaker 3: out of the park.

139
00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,560
Speaker 2: And thanks for kind of opening up a little vulnerable

140
00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,920
Speaker 2: question there, because you know, as a young man yourself

141
00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,000
Speaker 2: in college going through ROTC you've kind of been groomed

142
00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,160
Speaker 2: with you know, standing at attention, moving information. You know,

143
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,800
Speaker 2: it's been indoctrinated into you, as the military does so

144
00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,200
Speaker 2: well into us to fight, okay, and to be in

145
00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:38,800
Speaker 2: the military.

146
00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,120
Speaker 3: And then you've gone.

147
00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,320
Speaker 2: Twenty eight years sure in that same kind of regiment,

148
00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, so you yourself have to transition into a

149
00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,800
Speaker 2: civilian life from like almost your whole life. You know,

150
00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,200
Speaker 2: as a young man, what were you How old were

151
00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,880
Speaker 2: you when you decided that, Hey, I'm going in the army.

152
00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:53,520
Speaker 2: How old was that?

153
00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,000
Speaker 3: Sixteen? So I was in high school. And to put

154
00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,880
Speaker 3: things in perspective, which is a much longer story, I'd

155
00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,080
Speaker 3: and sent to a monastery in the mountains of Arkansas

156
00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,920
Speaker 3: to get my mind right and you know, correct perhaps

157
00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,200
Speaker 3: some things along the way. And there I was able

158
00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,480
Speaker 3: to learn about ROTC, and so I got ROTC to

159
00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,240
Speaker 3: pay for two in universities private school. It's expensive, so

160
00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,040
Speaker 3: I was able to go into it. And I'll be

161
00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,960
Speaker 3: the first to admit I was doing it to pay

162
00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,760
Speaker 3: for college, you know. And plus being in the mountains

163
00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,360
Speaker 3: of Arkansas and a monastery, I wanted to go to

164
00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,920
Speaker 3: college in New Orleans, you know, because the drinking age

165
00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,600
Speaker 3: was eighteen. I could play football there, which I did

166
00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,560
Speaker 3: for a few years and just have a blast. But

167
00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,640
Speaker 3: I'll tell you read some of the life skills I

168
00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,240
Speaker 3: learned from just banging around New Orleans ended up being

169
00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,560
Speaker 3: those life skills I needed in the Pakistani tribal area

170
00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,319
Speaker 3: in Iraq, talking to shiks, going out there like being

171
00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,800
Speaker 3: part of that. It wasn't necessarily the FM book. Hey,

172
00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,120
Speaker 3: this is how you set up your machine gun. You

173
00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,880
Speaker 3: need to know how to do all that, but that

174
00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,720
Speaker 3: eq those life skills what I learned in New Orleans

175
00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,400
Speaker 3: really were those skills that I took with me and

176
00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,120
Speaker 3: made a very successful career.

177
00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,360
Speaker 2: And so when you say FM, you know, a lot

178
00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,840
Speaker 2: of my listeners might think radio radio. No. No, he's

179
00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,120
Speaker 2: talking field manually.

180
00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:08,880
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.

181
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,960
Speaker 2: So see there's a little bit of that integrated regiment

182
00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,760
Speaker 2: in him where he's like acronyms, you know, and I'm

183
00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,040
Speaker 2: just saying the Field Manual. I read my dad's s F.

184
00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,520
Speaker 2: Field Manual from the eighties as an older man, and

185
00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,880
Speaker 2: it still seems to make sense.

186
00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,960
Speaker 3: I always say, and I believe this in my line

187
00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,160
Speaker 3: of work now with Global Guardian, that it's the outcomes

188
00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,600
Speaker 3: that matter. Whether you were with your Special Forces team

189
00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,640
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan or you're sitting down with a fortune one

190
00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,760
Speaker 3: hundred client. Now it's really the outcome that matters, right,

191
00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,240
Speaker 3: So it's being able to take that field manual what

192
00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,320
Speaker 3: they're teaching you, the blocking and tackling, but it applies

193
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,959
Speaker 3: it to some really intense and frankly dynamic situations around

194
00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,120
Speaker 3: the world. It's one thing to see it on paper

195
00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,360
Speaker 3: like on the pool table. It's a whole other thing

196
00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,360
Speaker 3: to try to execute it in the Hindu kush or

197
00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,720
Speaker 3: in downtown Solder City, you know. So it's a really

198
00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,920
Speaker 3: interesting art. It's for science and art blend. And that's

199
00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,600
Speaker 3: when I said before that special forces guys get paid

200
00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,800
Speaker 3: from the neck up. Is being able to see that

201
00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,640
Speaker 3: from an artist's perspective and then apply it onto the

202
00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,599
Speaker 3: modern battlefield, which is why I love this profession. Is

203
00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,680
Speaker 3: calling so much.

204
00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,360
Speaker 2: Yes right and again bringing up like how the human

205
00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,679
Speaker 2: resource element is in there. I mean, you guys, are

206
00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,120
Speaker 2: you know, kind of an interim politician per se moving

207
00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,160
Speaker 2: into you know, you have a satellite phone that can

208
00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,320
Speaker 2: reach mother goose. You know, it's like, oh, you need

209
00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,360
Speaker 2: you need something done. Let me I need five of

210
00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,400
Speaker 2: your guys to go sit in that foxhole, will face

211
00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,720
Speaker 2: that way, okay, with their guns. I'll call in the

212
00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,600
Speaker 2: ni quill for your sleeping for your cry baby.

213
00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,640
Speaker 3: That's right, that's one. I mean, it's it's it's being

214
00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,280
Speaker 3: that ambassador and that warrior all the same time, and

215
00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,959
Speaker 3: usually on the lunatic fringe of what's going on. I mean,

216
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,680
Speaker 3: you are out there, you don't have your next unit

217
00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,920
Speaker 3: sitting you know, to fox and he's over. It could

218
00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,440
Speaker 3: be a city, they could be a country away. And

219
00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,199
Speaker 3: then when we build. Really the core is our nc

220
00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,760
Speaker 3: our NCO teams. Our sergeants are incredible. They're selected over

221
00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,679
Speaker 3: two years and they're basically judged every day to make

222
00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,920
Speaker 3: sure they've got the cut. But if they wear that

223
00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,280
Speaker 3: green beret, we trust them to go to the other

224
00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,480
Speaker 3: side of the planet and to be able to operate

225
00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,480
Speaker 3: and make it happen very little adult supervision, and they

226
00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,240
Speaker 3: get it done all the time. They're frankly my spirit animals.

227
00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,720
Speaker 3: They're amazing guys. And when I look back, I'm like,

228
00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,680
Speaker 3: those guys are incredible. They're incredible then when I was

229
00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,200
Speaker 3: a younger guy. They're even better now. So I'm extremely

230
00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,800
Speaker 3: bullish on Special Forces in the way ahead.

231
00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,680
Speaker 2: For sure, same same spirit animal. I love that, right.

232
00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,280
Speaker 2: I thought it was an Orca whale for me. But

233
00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to say, you.

234
00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,040
Speaker 3: Don't got to be green beret. I love that. Yeah,

235
00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,160
Speaker 3: an Orca whale with a green break. Can we have that?

236
00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,040
Speaker 2: Just someone who's it is? I hope that makes sense

237
00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,880
Speaker 2: to you for sure? If that does, you know, it

238
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:43,680
Speaker 2: totally does.

239
00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,839
Speaker 3: And these guys go out and you know it's really

240
00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,480
Speaker 3: they'll spend an entire career, whether it's ten years, twenty

241
00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,080
Speaker 3: years or more than in my case, and they're exposed

242
00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,360
Speaker 3: and going out and doing all these incredible things, and

243
00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,040
Speaker 3: you know what we ol and on the backside is

244
00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,920
Speaker 3: then being able to take care of them transition when

245
00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,360
Speaker 3: they come through, to make sure that they're being taken

246
00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,080
Speaker 3: care of when they transition into their next identity, this

247
00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,959
Speaker 3: next opportunity in life once they're finished with their career.

248
00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,120
Speaker 3: And that's one of the toughest things, similar to.

249
00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,760
Speaker 2: You, like like I love my dad, Okay, I love

250
00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,719
Speaker 2: him so much and I'm always going to reference him

251
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,599
Speaker 2: so like him. You know, he got out of the

252
00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,319
Speaker 2: military with a forced medical wasn't his choice run the marathons.

253
00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,400
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden he had a seizure and

254
00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,040
Speaker 2: the medics showed up to the house and it was

255
00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,400
Speaker 2: his medic in late in Utah. We're out of Utah,

256
00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,600
Speaker 2: so his medic was working the EMT shift.

257
00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:33,240
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

258
00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,760
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, here radal and he shows

259
00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,600
Speaker 2: up to my dad's house, like what's going on? And

260
00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,680
Speaker 2: my dad was white, had a seizure and that just

261
00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,439
Speaker 2: started his out process for sure. So the medics like, look, Jack,

262
00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,680
Speaker 2: I have to tell him, and he's like, no, I'm good.

263
00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I have to tell him. What just

264
00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,480
Speaker 2: happened here today at your house? You have to report this.

265
00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,440
Speaker 2: But I was like I'm good, trying to stand in

266
00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,640
Speaker 2: the doorway like I'm good, you know, like, don't you know?

267
00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,200
Speaker 2: And what happened was he had a transition. And I

268
00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,360
Speaker 2: think there was a part of him that said that

269
00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,200
Speaker 2: can this keep going without me? Can the team that

270
00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,320
Speaker 2: I've been plotting on this whiteboard for the next three

271
00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,760
Speaker 2: to four years out? Can it move on without me

272
00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,200
Speaker 2: whiting on this right board? And what about my kids?

273
00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,360
Speaker 2: And he probably just had so many things being an

274
00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,680
Speaker 2: SF guy, just so smart, Like I said from the

275
00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,800
Speaker 2: head up and hear his body down has just like

276
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,920
Speaker 2: put at forty yeah, forty one. And so he had

277
00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,560
Speaker 2: a transition and he started going back to his schooling

278
00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,760
Speaker 2: and he was working on his doctorate before he passed away.

279
00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he had to transition. You had to transition.

280
00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,080
Speaker 2: It did, yeah, and now you're working at Global Guardian

281
00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:37,000
Speaker 2: for sure.

282
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,880
Speaker 3: I mean, look, and the transition part is is arguably

283
00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,280
Speaker 3: one of the toughest things. Everything you just said about

284
00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,240
Speaker 3: your dad resonates and any person who's retired can absolutely

285
00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,319
Speaker 3: give you a version of it. And here's the toughest

286
00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,280
Speaker 3: part about it. You can get mentorship in almost anything

287
00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,800
Speaker 3: in the military from somebody who's higher ranking than you.

288
00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,280
Speaker 3: There's someone who's been there before. But when it comes

289
00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,559
Speaker 3: to transition in the military, your commander has not done

290
00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,800
Speaker 3: that yet, your command stars a major hasn't done that yet,

291
00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,360
Speaker 3: or their equivalent in the other services, so they don't

292
00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,720
Speaker 3: know about it. In fact, there's a lot of policies

293
00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,320
Speaker 3: that are in place with units that actually hurt the

294
00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,080
Speaker 3: transitioning shouldier. They'll put in something like, hey, you only

295
00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,320
Speaker 3: have six months to retire. I'm here to tell you

296
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,520
Speaker 3: that's not the case like that, you can't do it

297
00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,360
Speaker 3: responsibly in six months. And while there's a lot of

298
00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,160
Speaker 3: organizations out out there that try to help and assist

299
00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,680
Speaker 3: you with it, it's still a very personal experience. You've

300
00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,680
Speaker 3: got to be able to do it. So if you've

301
00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,400
Speaker 3: picked up you know, all of the trauma and all

302
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,760
Speaker 3: of your experiences are building up in you. I used

303
00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,080
Speaker 3: to call it like radiation poisoning. You go to Afghanistan,

304
00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,120
Speaker 3: you go through compo rotations, that stress builds up with you.

305
00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,320
Speaker 3: You can release some of it, but it's sitting in you.

306
00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,760
Speaker 3: You go to your next deployment, you're in Putland and Smallia,

307
00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,480
Speaker 3: the next one you're in Iraq, the next one you're

308
00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,960
Speaker 3: fighting isis in Syria. And it's building up and building

309
00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,360
Speaker 3: up and building up in you, and at some point,

310
00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,720
Speaker 3: if you don't take care of it, it's going to

311
00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,040
Speaker 3: have level of toxicity. And sometimes it's extremely pronounced. Sometimes

312
00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,720
Speaker 3: it's seeping into your dreams at night, and you've got

313
00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,560
Speaker 3: to be able to handle it when you go forward.

314
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,680
Speaker 3: Look that level of toxicity. It could be extremely extremely

315
00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,080
Speaker 3: lethal if you're not careful, which is one of the

316
00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,200
Speaker 3: reasons why I think it's so important to talk about it.

317
00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,240
Speaker 3: You know, I was very lucky that when I retired,

318
00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,280
Speaker 3: I built out an eighteen month plan, and even though

319
00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,040
Speaker 3: I was the socks and chief of staff at the time,

320
00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,600
Speaker 3: so for my final three years, I was the chief

321
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,680
Speaker 3: of staff for the headquarters that was commanding and controlling

322
00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,560
Speaker 3: special operations in the Middle East and Central Asia. So

323
00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,600
Speaker 3: you can think about all of the you know, bad

324
00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,000
Speaker 3: neighborhoods in that area. I just talked about all the problems,

325
00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,280
Speaker 3: whether it was Isis al kaieda counter Iranian influence throughout

326
00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 3: the entire region. Then of course the fall and collapse

327
00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,520
Speaker 3: of Afghanistan, the thing that I had gone and done

328
00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,840
Speaker 3: as part of Task Force Dagger in the initial entry days,

329
00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720
Speaker 3: to all of a sudden seeing it fall apart everything

330
00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,160
Speaker 3: we built and having to deal with the trom and

331
00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,040
Speaker 3: the drama of that. It was just another layer. In fact,

332
00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,080
Speaker 3: that for me was my trigger of saying, hey, look,

333
00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,680
Speaker 3: I've got to retire, because I knew physically I was

334
00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,600
Speaker 3: not in a good place. Even though I was working

335
00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,800
Speaker 3: out running a lot, I had put on weight. I

336
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,280
Speaker 3: knew that psychologically I was struggling with some things and

337
00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,760
Speaker 3: I was not in a solid spot, and if I

338
00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,000
Speaker 3: was going to be asked then to transition and go

339
00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,800
Speaker 3: work in a corporate environment, something had to be addressed.

340
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,520
Speaker 3: And that was where my journey really hit an incredible

341
00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,800
Speaker 3: inflection point in there when I got to my eighteen

342
00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,600
Speaker 3: month out point and I realized I needed a change

343
00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,400
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan and Fallen. I'd seen it firsthand. And the

344
00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,720
Speaker 3: good or the bad thing about being in that chiefest

345
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,920
Speaker 3: staff spot was that I could see and talk to

346
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,400
Speaker 3: the guys in the HKAI Airport Hamarkaizing International Airport as

347
00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,560
Speaker 3: everything was falling apart. So getting all that emotion coming

348
00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,160
Speaker 3: in while we were building the plan or we were

349
00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,800
Speaker 3: watching the plan fall fall apart that we had presented

350
00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,640
Speaker 3: to the administration of Hey, this is what you need

351
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,640
Speaker 3: to do to be successful. They didn't follow it. And

352
00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,240
Speaker 3: you've had this incredible vantage point to the tactical level

353
00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,399
Speaker 3: and the strategic level. So all that's being loaded on

354
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,640
Speaker 3: you in my eighteen month plan out because I tell

355
00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,719
Speaker 3: anyone that'll listen, whether you're going to hire a veteran

356
00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,359
Speaker 3: coming in, or you're a veteran, or you're an active

357
00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,080
Speaker 3: duty service member that's looking at retiring, look at that

358
00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,320
Speaker 3: eighteen month plan and start to build it up. And

359
00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,080
Speaker 3: I've done all the things that they tell you to do. Hey,

360
00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,879
Speaker 3: go join those transition organizations and they help for the

361
00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,919
Speaker 3: most part, like Honor Foundation's great commits, a great the soda.

362
00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,560
Speaker 3: You know, they're all good and they help you focus

363
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,679
Speaker 3: on your job. But that's the problem. The issue you

364
00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,080
Speaker 3: have to solve is can I get a job and

365
00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,159
Speaker 3: you know, continue to pay for things for my family.

366
00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,480
Speaker 3: You're a special operations guy, You're gonna get a job.

367
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,399
Speaker 3: But you actually have one good opportunity to fix yourself.

368
00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:55,639
Speaker 2: Now.

369
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,480
Speaker 3: I don't mean they just get your VA rating and

370
00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,320
Speaker 3: turn in the paperwork, but to actually sit down down

371
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,080
Speaker 3: and be really honest with yourself, self actualized, and go, hey,

372
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,400
Speaker 3: I've got some issues I need to get recalibrated. It's

373
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,080
Speaker 3: like going to the master gunner and getting everything recalibrated

374
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,080
Speaker 3: on your system. I need to go sit down with professionals,

375
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,320
Speaker 3: have them do a full workover on me, tell me

376
00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,239
Speaker 3: what's going on, and tell me how to fix it

377
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,960
Speaker 3: so that when I go out to be a executive

378
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,919
Speaker 3: or go back in the government service, or wherever your

379
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,000
Speaker 3: path takes you, be a writer, whatever that path takes you,

380
00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,600
Speaker 3: that you're calibrated, You're ready. You're going to be an

381
00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,960
Speaker 3: awesome you know, employee, You're going to be an awesome executive.

382
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,080
Speaker 3: You're going to be an awesome dad. And I've got

383
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,640
Speaker 3: three kids and look, they're part of the bill payer

384
00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,080
Speaker 3: for a lot of the stress and a lot of

385
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,320
Speaker 3: the toxicity that built up in me. And I was

386
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,479
Speaker 3: extremely lucky.

387
00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,320
Speaker 2: See, And that was a question I was going to ask,

388
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,160
Speaker 2: is did you manage all this with a family?

389
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:46,440
Speaker 3: Right?

390
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 2: Some guys can be lone wolves out there in the teams,

391
00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,119
Speaker 2: and some guys like my dad, full on family for sure.

392
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 2: You know.

393
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,000
Speaker 3: Well, the biggest delusion we tell ourselves in SF is

394
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,920
Speaker 3: I can take it. Every single special operator. I've talked

395
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 3: to Greenbrays See you, PJ, you name it, anyone in

396
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,080
Speaker 3: Jaysuk is I'm the king of compartmentalization. That's true up

397
00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,080
Speaker 3: to a certain point. We psychologically screen people for years

398
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 3: to make sure that they can compartmentalize. But here's what happens.

399
00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,439
Speaker 3: You just lock away all that trauma from the streets

400
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,879
Speaker 3: of Soder City or Basra or Afghanistan. You lock it

401
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,400
Speaker 3: in the box and you throw it in the back

402
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,919
Speaker 3: of your mental cave and you're like, I got it,

403
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,160
Speaker 3: Bring on the next one. What's my next rotation? I've

404
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 3: got this. But what happens is when you go to

405
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,040
Speaker 3: sleep and then you're subconscious, that box leaks and it

406
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 3: starts to come out, and it starts to make you paranoid.

407
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 3: You know, wake up at night, Oh my gosh. You know,

408
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 3: when I lived on McDill Air Force Base, I lived

409
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,679
Speaker 3: in the safest street in the United States, and I

410
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,959
Speaker 3: would wake up at night and go, huh, I need

411
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 3: to go check all the doors to make sure that

412
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 3: everything's locked. Now you don't. You're on the safest street.

413
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 3: It's being patrolled right now. Then when you add the

414
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 3: physical aspect, just like with your father, Hey, I've been

415
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 3: ground down by endless freefall jumps or body armor or

416
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,240
Speaker 3: just whatever it is. Every single special operator can tell

417
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 3: you of their aches and pains. In fact, at a

418
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 3: certain age that becomes one of the primary conversations what

419
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 3: are you doing for your back your hip? But when

420
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 3: you start to combine those things, you have a problem.

421
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: You have a real problem. Because it's like stormfront's coming together.

422
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 3: Tornadoes don't happen because of one stormy it's hot and cold.

423
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 3: They are coming together. When the physical, the psychological, in

424
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,199
Speaker 3: some cases the cognitive all slam into each other, it

425
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 3: manifests itself in some very very very dangerous ways. And

426
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 3: so when I was going through my process, I was

427
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,920
Speaker 3: lucky to be in Tampa. I was lucky that I've

428
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 3: got good medical leadership here. And they told me about

429
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 3: a program that I was not tracking with the VA

430
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 3: and it was called the Prep Program. And so what

431
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 3: the Prep program did was say, hey, look, if you've

432
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: had a mild traumatic brain injury, which most soft guys

433
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 3: who have been in combat operations have done it, they

434
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 3: come from over pressure. Over pressure injuries blows to your head,

435
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 3: and not just in downrange when you're breaching or there's

436
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 3: artillery going off, but all the training that you do before,

437
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 3: all the countless flash bangs that maybe you're a little

438
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: bit too quick into the room and you just learned

439
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 3: your lesson because you know you're getting rocked. All of

440
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: those things, those hard parachute landings. It's endless, it's thousands

441
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 3: of reps. I was a college football player, so I'd

442
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 3: had a lot of blows of the head already. So

443
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 3: when you start to add it all together, I went

444
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 3: and got a brain MRI and it was very clear

445
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 3: brain lesions from what they called shearing impact injuries. You know,

446
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 3: somewhere along the lines I was in Basra, I had

447
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: been knocked out by artillery at one point. You know,

448
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 3: these things pile up on you. But here's the kicker,

449
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 3: and it goes to your point earlier. The guys in

450
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 3: the teams or the guys in the units. Even if

451
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 3: you're a major or you're a lieutenant colonel, you're not

452
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 3: on the front lines. You want to be with the

453
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: tribe and the action being there that to you is

454
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: so personal. The last thing you want to do is

455
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 3: raise your hand and go, hey, I need help, And

456
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 3: unfortunately we all all into that trap, and it's a

457
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: horrible trap. If you really want to do a good

458
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: service for your seal platoon or your ODA or your battalion,

459
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 3: raise your hand, go get help, and then come right back,

460
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: because it's basically like rezeroing your weapons system. You're actually

461
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: much better if you take those three weeks or nine

462
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 3: weeks off, go get reset, and come back, you're going

463
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: to be so much better for the organization. I didn't

464
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: catch it until the end, but thank god I caught

465
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 3: it and there's a number of services like this. In Tampa.

466
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: We have the Prep program at the Haley VA Hospital.

467
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: There's Nico up in Virginia. There's Intrepid, there's Pacer down

468
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: in San Antonio. Any one of these will fit and

469
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: you can do them as a veteran, retired, or a

470
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: veteran if you've had a mild TBI. For example, in

471
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 3: my particular case, that was the price of admission to

472
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 3: get into prep. You know, it's everyone's like, oh man,

473
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: the prep program is great. I'm like, yeah, but the

474
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: buy in is really difficult because it's a lot of

475
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 3: road miles and a lot of damage that you've had.

476
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: And then when you're there, this program's amaze. They do

477
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 3: a three week screening, and think of it this way.

478
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: You're getting dog piled collectively by fifteen different doctors and specialists,

479
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 3: and they're looking at you like a board meeting. So

480
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: you've got your physical you know, think of the doctor.

481
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: They've got the best vestibular doctors in the world there

482
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: that look at you from a physical standpoint. Hey, how

483
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: is this TBI affecting his balance? Let's take a look

484
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: at all of his joints, look at everything, all of

485
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: his pain points. They're also sitting down talking to your psychologists,

486
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: which will lean in on in a second why it's

487
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 3: so important. You're cognitive specialists, which was a huge surprise

488
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 3: to me, and they're all sitting down and looking at

489
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 3: you at like one case study and coming up with

490
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: an organized solution. The converse is how most of us

491
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: do healthcare, which is, hey, my back hurts, I go

492
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: see my back specialists. But my back specialist isn't talking

493
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: to my psychologists, who's not talking to my cognitive therapist. Here,

494
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: they're all looking at you together. So you go through

495
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: this three week screening program and read I cannot stress

496
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 3: this enough. I've had a couple lectures in my life

497
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: that's with me, and there'll be the last things I

498
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: remember before I punch out. But there was a doctor there.

499
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 3: Doctor Gutum sat me down day two. He had pulled

500
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: all my labs, he'd weighed me in all these things,

501
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: and he goes, seth, I'm going to start this off

502
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: with an extremely serious point. You will be dead in

503
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: five to ten years if you don't make changes. Now

504
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: blew my hair back. I'm like, WHOA, Okay, you have

505
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: my full attention. I've got three younger kids because I

506
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: didn't get started, so I was in my mid thirties.

507
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you're still feeling young. Yeah, you're still feeling good.

508
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: You're like, what what right?

509
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: You're like, this is crazy, right, And if you're being

510
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: honest with yourself, you're like, yeah, I know it hurts

511
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 3: when I get out of bed in the morning my

512
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: back and I hit my neck. I know I'm ignoring

513
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 3: all the psychological stuff, and you know, like I get it,

514
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: but now all of a sudden you're being forced to

515
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: deal with reality. This doctor talked to me for four

516
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: straight hours, no breaks, about what the plan was, what

517
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 3: we were going to do, and it was the physical,

518
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: the psychological, and the cognitive peace. And so I said, okay, hey,

519
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 3: let's do it. And for the physical stuff, every SPECE

520
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 3: operator is going to lean in on it because we

521
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: do it all the time. You go see the PT.

522
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: No one's ever afraid of going and seeing the PT

523
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: and getting your stretches or your needling or any of

524
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: the other things that they do. I will say that

525
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: I think the biggest stigma out there is on the

526
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: psychological side. I think, to include myself, I had probably

527
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: the best doctor and provider, one of the best people

528
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: I've met my life as my psychologist. But I was

529
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: a terrible patient my first two weeks. And for the

530
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: big picture, there's a three week in patient screening, so

531
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: I'm living at the hospital for three weeks. At the

532
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: end of the streaming, they invited me to come back

533
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: for six more weeks, so I spent a total of

534
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: nine weeks in patient. Now, remember, hey man, I'm the man, right,

535
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm the cent chief of staff. I've done all the rats.

536
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: I'm a Green Beret.

537
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

538
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: As at forter when I gave no less than like

539
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: fifty speeches to the entertainment industry to Vegas, the NASCAR,

540
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: like I was the guy man, I was switched on,

541
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I've got these breaking it

542
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: down for me, and they're like, hey man, listen. And

543
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: so my psychologist, who was great, doctor Wilbanks. She's the

544
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: best and just as a cheap plug for she was

545
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 3: at Tampa the time. She actually supports veterans out of

546
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: Atlanta now. But her first two weeks, I didn't even

547
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: learn her name because I just came in. I'm like, ah, yeah, psychology, whatever, whatever.

548
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: And she's very she's great because she's running me through

549
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 3: all the screening. She's asking me questions, but she's also

550
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: not putting up with my bs. I'm deflecting and trying

551
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: to be funny and things, and she's like, okay, and

552
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 3: then would pin me down and get to it. But

553
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: through a bunch of trust falls, I finally learned her name.

554
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: I finally said, okay, look, I'll dip my toe in it.

555
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: But to be one hundred percent honest, I was scared.

556
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: I was scared because I knew the leaking boxes, I

557
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: knew the things I had to deal with, But I

558
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: also knew that I was in this big transition period.

559
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: If I didn't address it now, rad when was I

560
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: gonna address it when I was a corporate executive.

561
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: There's no time when I was out of you in

562
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: the middle of a breakdown, and you just can't have it.

563
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: Going to help my clients if I'm not completely spot

564
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 3: on and doing it. And that's exactly what we did.

565
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: We went through this prolonged exposure therapy and it was tough. Look,

566
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: I didn't quit in the Q course. I didn't quit

567
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: in Ranger School, even though I got the extended version

568
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 3: in the middle of winter in the mountains, which some

569
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: people can appreciate when I say that I turned a

570
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 3: seventy two day course into one hundred day course. You're welcome.

571
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: There was a point after my first or second week

572
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 3: that I packed up my bags and I'm like, this

573
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: is too hard. I got to go and to give

574
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: doctor Wilbine's credit. Now she's a senior resident right at

575
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: this point, like she's not even like over the hump yet.

576
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: She came in and said, dude, you got this, like

577
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: you can do this.

578
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: Like we told you it.

579
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: Was gonna be tough. You just got to trust me.

580
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: And I did. And I got to tell you from

581
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: a perspective of a guy who was the man until

582
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: I got seen the facts of going, hey man, I've

583
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: got some things I got to work through. I leaned

584
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: in on it and went all in and it was hard.

585
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: It was the equivalent of all the calm that I

586
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: had physically except in a psychological space of working through it.

587
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: But once you process it and you know how to

588
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: process that stress in those things, it didn't just change

589
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: my life, it saved my life. So I've become this

590
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: huge John the Baptist advocate for it. In fact, I

591
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: would say that, you know, to use the biblical terms,

592
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: though I probably don't get to church nearly as much

593
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: as I probably should have. But there's some great you know,

594
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: there's some great comparisons. This was my road to Damascus,

595
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: Saul to Paul, and she basically took me through the

596
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: dark forest and got me through it. And it was brutal,

597
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: it was awful. It would psychologically just spin me around

598
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: for days afterwards. But we did over one hundred hours

599
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: of eyeball to eyeball, just like this face to facing

600
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: room during COVID wearing masks. So we all looked like

601
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: bank robbers, I guess, right. So when I would break down,

602
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: as she would at least let me take off my mask.

603
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: And like I hadn't cried in thirty years before I

604
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: went in there, even at you know, plain side ceremonies

605
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: and those other things, I was just packing it all

606
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 3: down and then I finally got a chance to work

607
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: through it. And so she was so fundamental in being

608
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: able to get it done. So I tell any veteran

609
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: that's feeling that, like they feel disassociated from their lives,

610
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: from what's going on, like you've got to go find

611
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, your version of doctor Wilbanks out there. It

612
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be psychology, you know, it can be

613
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: a friend, it can be you know, whatever your outlet is.

614
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: Just you got to be able to just find that

615
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: one to do it. I was just very lucky to

616
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: find the world's best who really committed to help me,

617
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: even though I fought her tooth and nailed the entire way.

618
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: And you seem like you're just ready to go right

619
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: back into war.

620
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: You're like, you know.

621
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: What, I think, I'm going to pack my bags up

622
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: here and go get shot at or maybe die over there,

623
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 2: because that's easier for me. You know, I could just

624
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 2: go through the mechanics of that. But mentally you have

625
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: to now become again I say vulnerable, right, and I.

626
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: Like the vulnerable fragile. I mean again green Bray, colonel,

627
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 3: find her the badge of the school. I hadn't done right.

628
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: Like again. It was like, you know, put a quarter

629
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: in me, and I'll tell you a war story. Most

630
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: of it's true and right right self, guys will appreciate

631
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: there I was right, except unless it was an actual

632
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 3: combat experience, and then we don't talk about those, right,

633
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: And that was the the interesting or the funny or

634
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: the self deprecating ones. Man, you give me some beer

635
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: and bourbon all day long, twice and Sunday. But the

636
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: ones that were really holding me down were the ones

637
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: that I shared with her and her alone. I don't

638
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: think I'll tell nonother human being, but just being able

639
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: to process it was so important for me. And the

640
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: way I like to think of it is, for if

641
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: I was involved in hundreds of combat operations and there

642
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: were nails, They're all nailed into the board. There was

643
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: three or four nails that just stuck up, and they

644
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: were the ones that were sneaking into my subconscious, haunting

645
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: my dreams, making me, you know, feel very awkward or

646
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: scared in certain situations that I should have been with

647
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: my family out and about. So when you go through that,

648
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 3: it's really important to see it. And at the end

649
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: of it, and I go through the psychological piece, the

650
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: physical piece, because the docs in the physical side were

651
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: amazing when it came to getting my vestibular right, the

652
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: cognitive piece, which was incredible. Sharon Harre is one of

653
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: the great specials. She actually helped start the program. She

654
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: set me down once and goes, okay, look, I'm a

655
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: speech therapist like I give speeches all the time, like

656
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: I'll crush what do you want me to? And she

657
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: was cool about it. She goes, listen, I'm just going

658
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: to give you a couple tests and we'll see how

659
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: you do. I'm like, right on, bring it on. And

660
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: she gave me the first when she read me a

661
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: couple of paragraphs and said, hey, how many times you

662
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: hear the word the I said three times, and she

663
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: goes cool, there was twenty two, and I'm like whoa.

664
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: And so there was this mystery like I knew the

665
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: physical piece, I knew the psychological piece. Yeah, And then

666
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: I had another grinder with Sharon, and she was just

667
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: one of these other people. So the reason I bring

668
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: all this up and I share the story is at

669
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: the end of this nine weeks, I came out physically, psychologically,

670
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: cognitively recalibrated. So when people talk about transition, they're like, hey,

671
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm leaving the service. I got to get a job.

672
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: So they're going in all these job interviews and things.

673
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: They're trying to get the retirement party set up. They're

674
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: trying to make sure they jump logs okay, and they're

675
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: all worried about the wrong things. What they need to

676
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: do is recognize the opportunity they have. Find that team.

677
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: What prep was for me, find it for them, get

678
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: right because when you come out and you're recalibrated, man,

679
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: you were going to be awesome. I'm such a better

680
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: you know, say, father, employee, human being, friend like because

681
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: of this program, and then when I went into work

682
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: for Global Guardian, which has been amazing. So Global Guardian

683
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: takes the Green Berey model where we have indigenous teams

684
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: over one hundred and forty countries and then they're in place.

685
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: Most of them are in the Ministry of Interior. They're

686
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: licensed to carry farms, drive armored vehicles. They speak the language,

687
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: know the culture because rad ninety nine percent of your

688
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: problems are local wherever you are in the world, and

689
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: if you don't speak the language and know the neighborhood culture,

690
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: you're going to get yourself in trouble. So that when

691
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: our executive or our families travel around the world, they've

692
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: got that you know, Lawrence of Arabia waiting for them

693
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: at the airport. That is a Pakistani, he's Indian, he's Brazilian.

694
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: There ready to greet them and to make sure everything's

695
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: going to go perfectly fine. So if you're there for

696
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: corporate work or you're there on vacation, we are all there.

697
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: We're watching them on tracking apps, and I always like

698
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: to tell people like everyone's got tracking apps. I tracked

699
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 3: my kids at Life three sixty all the time. But

700
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: we're one of the only companies around the world that

701
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: if you get in trouble and you hit the panic

702
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: button or you call the op center, I'm going to

703
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: have somebody there in minutes that's going to be able

704
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: to come solve your problem, which has been great. So

705
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: I was able to take all that Green Beret experience,

706
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: get right with myself in prep and then get that

707
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: job of my dreams, which I love it. I love

708
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: my clients because they joined because in a lot of

709
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: cases I convince them to join, think like business development

710
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: or sales, and now I manage them and it's been

711
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 3: absolutely phenomenal. They trusted me to come on and do it,

712
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 3: and so I've been able to get in there and

713
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: take all my hard lessons learned from the Pakistani travel

714
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: area and Solder City and all the places in between,

715
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: and help those executives now be able to excel wherever

716
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: they go. It's just been fantastic.

717
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: You know, it just reminds me of having you said,

718
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: the guy just standing out there waiting for it Indian,

719
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 2: you know, blends in, speaks the language. It reminds me

720
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: of Indiana Jones. He's like, you'll never find him. He

721
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: speaks the founds of languages. He'll blend in with the environment.

722
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: He's like, hello, hello, littlebody know.

723
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're sitting yeah, right, you're right, you're sitting in

724
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: Cameroon going, why is that guy have a whip on him?

725
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: Nobody carries a woman Cameroon.

726
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: Who is this guy?

727
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 3: Like this is ridiculous? Yeah, And you realize it because

728
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: in green Berets, like we built the Iraqi Special Operation

729
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: Force between this Special Forces Group and tenth Group. You've

730
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: seen it from guys writing books and other things. And

731
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 3: while they were awesome while we were there. I tell

732
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: people all the time their greatest moment and it makes

733
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: emotion when I think about it too. We built this

734
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: exquisite commando, high end unit. And after we left in

735
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: twenty ten and the rise of Isis exploded there, that

736
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 3: unit would stood at the gates of Baghdad and kept

737
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: the barbarians out at a seventy five to eighty percent

738
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: casualty rate. That thing that we built. They were shopkeepers,

739
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: there were college students, there were just dudes on the street.

740
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: We built this incredible thing in green brids because we

741
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: understood the power of the indigenous guys and how you

742
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: empower them because outcomes matter, they will get you the

743
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 3: outcome that you need. And they were incredible. They were

744
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: incredible with us, they were incredible without us, and they

745
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: continue to get after it today. They just took out

746
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: a bunch of Isis guys not too long ago. And

747
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: you look at that legacy and then you take a

748
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: look at it and go, all right, I'm retiring from

749
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: the military. There's this incredible place, Global Guardian that was

750
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: built on that because our founder, Dale Buckner was a

751
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: green Bread and.

752
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: His yeah exactly, I was going to bring him up.

753
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: He's phenomenal and his operating officers CIA, so we're all

754
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: you know, that soft CIA mix that comes together is

755
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: empowering this network. And now you know, I'll just list

756
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: a couple of companies that allow us to talk about

757
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, Hilton Hotels now has this network. For example,

758
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 3: hessel Oil has this thing. So you start to look

759
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: at this and you're like, man, who would not want

760
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 3: this Lamborghini. It's incredible and it's been great, and the

761
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 3: people I work with there are great. And I'm also

762
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: one of those guys, even though I'm an older guy.

763
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm very bullish on the millennials in

764
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: on the GenZ. You guys, the twenty and thirty year

765
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: olds at work at our company are phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal, sharp, bright.

766
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: They manage crisises around the world. Rad we were pulling

767
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: dudes out a cartoon within a couple hours after the

768
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: exploded eleven months ago. We've pulled over eleven hundred dudes

769
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 3: out of it. Dudes, clients, I got you. No, no, dudes,

770
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: It's okay. No out of Israel. After October seventh, within

771
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: six hours when the Russians came across the Ukrainian border,

772
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: we were moving thousands of clients out of harms Way.

773
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: We moved over ten thousand clients out of Ukraine. Since then,

774
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm passionate about it because I love my clients. They're

775
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: awesome folks, and I know it works. And the reason

776
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: I know it works is because I lived it for

777
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: twenty eight years. Is a green beret. So when I

778
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: talk to folks that are getting ready to retire or

779
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: looking at it, I'm like, listen, here's the good news.

780
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: Number One, you're going to get a job. Go to

781
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: those go to the Honor Foundations, they're great. Go to

782
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: commit and sort of get a framework. Number one thing

783
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: is take care of you. Go find that team to

784
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: fix you, because when you come out on the other side,

785
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: guys like me are going to guide you to that

786
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: place you want to be. But here's the flip side

787
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: of that coin. You don't fix yourself. You're carrying that baggage,

788
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 3: that toxicity we were talking about. Now you're trying to

789
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: help the clients. Now you're trying to deal with things.

790
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: It's tough, and look, sometimes the nation asks you to

791
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: do things after you retire. I'm working at Global Guardian

792
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: and things are great. I'm loving it. I'm bringing on clients,

793
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm building out, you know, the network, I'm solving problems.

794
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: And I've got to go testify for in front of

795
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: Congress Foreign Affairs Committee on the Fall of Afghanistan because

796
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: I had mentioned before I had this exquisite seat to

797
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: talk to the guys in each guy at the airfield

798
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: and then also see the plan that General McKenzie, the

799
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: Sentcom commander, had presented to the Joint Chiefs to sect

800
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: death and the President, which you know they didn't go with.

801
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: So you know, we I got this incredible Which president

802
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: was that? Can you?

803
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: Just because I know Trump signed the accord in twenty

804
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: twenty or December twenty second, he signed it saying pull

805
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: out sure, right after he had sold like eighty five

806
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: billion in assets. Of course, so are we talking about

807
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: him or Biden with a small amount of time.

808
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: It's a great question, rad because I think context really matters.

809
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: You can get caught up and dis like the debates

810
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: the other night, like it's really easy to try to

811
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: pin the tail on a donkey. The reality is the

812
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: tail fits on every single one of the presidents and

813
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: every single one of us, and you've got to own

814
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: and take responsibility for it. Here's what I mean by it.

815
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: Every administration that touched Afghanistan is a stakeholder and its

816
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: failure period I get to stop everybody is you can

817
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: go back and take a look at any single one

818
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: of them and go okay, I see And part of

819
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: it too, is you see the vacillation between the different

820
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: takes that the that the administrations took. Some people focused

821
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: on it, some it became a backwater, you know, and

822
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 3: they let it go over time. There wasn't a consistent

823
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: strategy that was there. Now, I will say it, and

824
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: I stand by my testimony that was there. That the

825
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: final administration, the Biden administration, which has done a lot

826
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: of good things out there. So I don't want to

827
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: make a painted like it's you know, I'm on one

828
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: side of the other, because I'm not. I'm truly as

829
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 3: centrist when it comes to it. But that's a whole

830
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: different conversation, which means short sides hate me.

831
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Same, I'm like, just like I'm picking, I'm poking

832
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: the bear.

833
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: That's me, right, But I will be very upfront and

834
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: honest with the truth because and what I told him

835
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: was the truth. It was Hey, the stakeholder that chose

836
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: the when and how we left, which was the Biden administration,

837
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: and owns the responsibility. There's no reason that we should

838
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: have left in the beginning, in the middle of the

839
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: fighting season. That's crazy. We've been in Afghanistan way too

840
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: long to know that a pull out when the Taliban

841
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: ra at their astray that's nuts, right like that, that's

842
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: a bad idea. Hey, you spent all this time there,

843
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: this whole concept of well, we don't want to lose

844
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: any more people or spending more money there. Number One,

845
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: the casualty rate had dropped to it just about zero.

846
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: If you compared Afghanistan to training accidents that were going

847
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: on in the United States, to include at the National

848
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: Training Center when I was there as a commander, Afghanistan

849
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 3: was extremely low. But you trade off what we lost,

850
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: which we warned everybody. We warned the Trumpet administration, we

851
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 3: warned the Biden administration, and we being the military side,

852
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: was hey, if.

853
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: You don't leave sut s on your name tape correct.

854
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: And what we said was, look, if you don't leave

855
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 3: that special Operations picket line, the same thing that was

856
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: there in two thousand and one and two that I

857
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: was a part of. If you don't leave that picket

858
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: line there, just buy more time and space so that

859
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 3: the institutions in afghan and I say, can just get

860
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 3: a little bit more time. And oh, by the way,

861
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 3: so they're not immediately pressured after we left that just

862
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: do it. I'm not saying the outcome would have changed,

863
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: but the way it was done was horrible because here

864
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: was the problem. We had given the Afghani people hope,

865
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 3: specifically the Afghani women hope, and when VIC got thrown away,

866
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: the reality is this Afghan women pay the bill for

867
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: our feckless decision making. Every minute of the day we've

868
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: been talking for forty two minutes, there's been every single

869
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: minute of those an Afghan woman's been abused in this

870
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: oppressive system that we let happen. I mean, it looks

871
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: like September tenth, two thousand and one, you know, So

872
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: it's really hard to say that to really justify our

873
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: time there when we basically, you know, threw it away.

874
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: There were warnings in places we told them, and there

875
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: were decisions to go the other direction, and it was

876
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: really unfortunate. There's a great documentary called Retrograde. It's on

877
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: I think National Geographic. It's phenomenal. There was this team

878
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: that was there was this National Geographic team that was

879
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: embedded with an ODA in Afghanistan. When the news came down, Hey,

880
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 3: you're pulling out, and you're pulling out like now, so

881
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: you have to tell this commando unit you're with that

882
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: we'd been with for decade plus. Oh, we're leaving. And

883
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: by the way, we're leaving and not coming back. You're

884
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: on your own out here at the lunatic fringe of

885
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: Taliman Land. We're not coming back. And by the way,

886
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: we're leaving in like two weeks, like, we're not bringing

887
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: the printer back or the fridge back. We're going to

888
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: either destroy it or we're going to leave it for you.

889
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: And you watched the look on the Afghan commando space.

890
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: It was that shock of capture that we call in

891
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: survival school, and you first get grabbed and you're going

892
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: to the prison situation. You got to survive. They were

893
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: so shocked that there was no time and space to

894
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: let them sort of recover pull themselves together, because the

895
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: second we started going, it's the fighting season. Here comes

896
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: the swarm, here comes the What I had described to

897
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: my testimony is the big red blob, because as I

898
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 3: would watch this map in Afghanistan or the Afghan map

899
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: from the operations center in Tampa every day, it was

900
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: like this giant, big red blob was just eating and

901
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: gobbling up more terrain as it moved its way towards

902
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: Cobbo and Kandahar, and it was so clear early on

903
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,959
Speaker 3: that hey man, that's not going to stop. I'd seen

904
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: this for way too long for us to see that

905
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: this is going It was like if you ever see

906
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: the movie Aliens. Yeah, and they're looking down at the thing.

907
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: They're trying to find the Aliens, and they're like, hey,

908
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: they're ten meters away, they're six meters away, Like where

909
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: I can't like, where is it? Right? It's there. It's

910
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: like it's on you. And once you're on you, there's

911
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: nothing that you're going to be able to do. There

912
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: was a there basically was a tipping point where it

913
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: is unrecoverable. Then the panic started. And you know, the

914
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: testimony stands alone, and I won't go through all the

915
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: details of it, but I will tell you this, it

916
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: was extremely powerful and painful for me to have to

917
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: go do it. I'm proud of it because I took

918
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: the oath to the Constitution and Congress is the embodiment

919
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: of it. So I did my duty after I was retired,

920
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: told them the truth as I saw it. Witnesses and

921
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: experience did and the only reason I was able to

922
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: do that really powerful, painful experience then turn around, hop

923
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: in an uber and go back to my headquarters and

924
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 3: go on client calls. We was because of prep, because

925
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: of folks like doctor Wilbanks. Because of that team had

926
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: built the resiliency and given me the tools to be

927
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 3: able to handle it afterwards. That's why I've had such

928
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: great success at this wonderful company was because of that transition.

929
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: Why it's so important to understand why you've got to

930
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: invest in yourself during that transition piece. Stop worrying about

931
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: being a consultant or sales or going back to the government.

932
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: Take this opportunity to fix yourself. I'm obviously huge advocate.

933
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: Or becoming a cop, I see a lot, you know.

934
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean like it's like I got out of the military.

935
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: What do I do?

936
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: Oh, you go become a cop? And then what happens

937
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: is they get back into the multicam. They get back

938
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: into a decommissioned M wrap that's been painted black with

939
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 2: a tan soul. Okay, right, and all of a sudden

940
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, I know how to work a forty millimeters?

941
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: How can you guys have this in the police department?

942
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: And next thing you know, you have this blended Are

943
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: they cops or not?

944
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: You know?

945
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: On network TV because you know the multicam doesn't help,

946
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: right because in the beginning of the Army picking the pattern,

947
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: they just discarded it in with ACU gray square digital

948
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: and said, no, we'll let multicam become a civilian pattern.

949
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: And so the law enforcement's like, we'll use it. So

950
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: now you got law enforcement where multicam, you got Army,

951
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: National Guard ward multicam, and then you have you know,

952
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: a lot of commotion let's just say during the end

953
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: of like Trump's presidency, where they were all over the

954
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: nation and you're like, who's the cop, who's the military.

955
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: It's just such a blended environment with this multicam, and

956
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: you know, like trying to like, I don't know, I mean,

957
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: you get, like I said, you get an old salty

958
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: veteran who hasn't gone through deprogramming or how to re

959
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 2: reconparnimentalize what he's going through all that gear right back.

960
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can. It can end really poorly. You know.

961
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 3: You reminded me of the fact that we always joked

962
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: that when you had the gray pattern uniform, it was

963
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: perfect camouflage for a gravel parking lot. It was fantastic.

964
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: The motor pools in I racket was fantastic.

965
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: All the tarmac right, once you were in the whole,

966
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: what's the point They're like, you have to go against

967
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: the wall and get dirt on it to make it

968
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: blend in. That was like the analogy of it.

969
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: It would be a lot funnier if it wasn't such

970
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: an issue, But it really comes to like everybody's different

971
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: and what you can take. You know, everyone can absorb

972
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 3: a different amount of stress and pressure. We recruit in

973
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: special operations people that can take that, and but we

974
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: fill that bottle over time to use the old analogy

975
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: on it. And once your bottle's full, if you don't

976
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: have somebody to help you, you know, process everything that's

977
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: in there, it can become very dangerous, whether it's in

978
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: your next profession or just for you personally. Though. The

979
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: one topic that's very near and dear to me that

980
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: I've man I'm more confused now than I was thirty

981
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: years ago is suicides. The more I touched it, the

982
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: more I saw it, the less I realized I understood,

983
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: and more empathetic I was for everyone that was touched

984
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: by it. And that's why I try to really advocate

985
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 3: for self actualization self care because when I came out

986
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: of that prep program, I had lost seventy pounds. I had,

987
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: but it was nothing compared to my psychological piece of

988
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: being able to truly process things and be clean and

989
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: clear and then be able to operate brand new like

990
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 3: I was born again in a new world environment, pick

991
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: up corporate ease and everything that comes with it. And

992
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: it's been wonderful. But that's the opportunity of that transition

993
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: time because if you don't, things can happen. And sometimes

994
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: it's just minor and your families to build pair for it.

995
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 3: Sometimes it can be much more impactful, and it can

996
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: lend it, you know, end really poorly. So you know,

997
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: it's one of those things I encourage anyone listening, whether

998
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: you're a veteran, whether you're going to be a veteran,

999
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: or whether you're just there and your interest and you

1000
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 3: want to help reach out, find those places, help people

1001
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: connect up, because if you send them and invest in

1002
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: them that way, you're going to get one hell of

1003
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: an employee coming out in the back end. I mean

1004
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: one hell of an employee, and you're crazy if you

1005
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: don't hire them, absolutely true, absolutely bit at Global Guardian.

1006
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: Let me just put this out there if somebody is

1007
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: out listening to our show right now, like, hey, you know,

1008
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: Colonel made a lot of points, Rad made a lot

1009
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: of points. I think I might hit up Global Guardian.

1010
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: You guys are always looking for somebody that might fit

1011
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: that resume on your website.

1012
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: ND percent look absolutely go to our website. We are

1013
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: always looking for talent. Like I said, that talent in

1014
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: those twenty to thirty year old ranks is incredible. But

1015
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: then you get some guys like myself, and where I

1016
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: become really important for the clients when I sit down,

1017
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 3: when I sign a client, I stay with the client

1018
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: as their security expert. So if you're that big corporation,

1019
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: you get all of my experience, and I'm usually talking

1020
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: to somebody that looks just like me, another guy you know,

1021
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 3: and that has a full you know, FBI, Secret Service,

1022
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: military background. So we've chewed a lot of the same dirt.

1023
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: So we've got peers talking about how we're going to

1024
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: problem solve, how we're going to take our model of

1025
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: having all those teams that worldwide global metav I can

1026
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: get your person out of harm's way or from a

1027
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: hospital in Sri Lanka, I can pick them up in

1028
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: a couple hours, they're ready to go, grab them and

1029
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: have them back in Houston ready to go in under

1030
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: a day or two, right, just depending on flight time. Like,

1031
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 3: that's really cool to come in that because you leave

1032
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: that value proposition of I'm serving my country and doing

1033
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 3: this to hey, I've got these clients I really like

1034
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: because they signed on because they liked me enough to

1035
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: do it. Now I get to solve problems for them

1036
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: all the time, regardless of what they are medical, security wise,

1037
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: cyber digital, they're getting stocked online. I can do all

1038
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: those things.

1039
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: So to just like kind of pitch you a little

1040
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: bit here because I'm not trying to make this a commercial,

1041
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: but who is your client for Global Guardian? What's that

1042
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: client look like? Who would want to reach out to you?

1043
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: Who are you looking for? You said, Hilton Hotel. You

1044
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: kind of let that out there.

1045
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: It's a great question. So I've got this entire portfolio

1046
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: of you know, whether it's Fortune five hundred four two

1047
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: one thousand. Companies also have NGOs and this is a

1048
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: big one too. If you're an NGO that travels to Somalia, Libya,

1049
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: some of these tough places South Sudan, Like you need

1050
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 3: a Global Guardian because we've got the tracking platform where

1051
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: we can track you in real time, send you alerts,

1052
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: and if you get into trouble, I can have somebody

1053
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: there for you minutes or if you're rural, like in

1054
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: rural Cameroon, in hours, depending on a long it takes

1055
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: to get there. But we're one of the frankly the

1056
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: only company that operates in level four conflict and war

1057
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: zones and that can come help you right now. Ukraine, Man,

1058
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 3: we are postured everywhere. We do incredible work Gaza West Bank,

1059
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: you know, anywhere else in Israel. We've got Palestinian teams,

1060
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 3: We've got Israeli teams, We've got Lebanese teams. In Lebanon,

1061
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: for example, we have the biggest security force outside of

1062
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: their armed forces. That's where our clients that are there

1063
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 3: are able to get so we can come get you,

1064
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: evacuate you, get you out of the country, whether it's

1065
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 3: medical or just an emergency. And that's why this job's awesome,

1066
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: right you take all those skills and then you're able

1067
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: to do it for your clients around the world. So cool,

1068
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 3: it's cool.

1069
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say that's so cool, even though

1070
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: the situation might be a nightmare at the time, right, like.

1071
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: For sure, well in all fifty states too. Right, So

1072
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 3: if you're if you have a hostile termination that's going

1073
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: on in Minneapolis or Salt Lake City or wherever. Hey, Seth,

1074
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 3: I got a problem, Harry, can you get somebody over here?

1075
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: Armguardles show up. But it's not just some big burly dude.

1076
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: It's like, all right, what do you want him to

1077
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: look like? Hey, I want him to wear this because

1078
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: it's going to look just like our HR team. He's

1079
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 3: going to blend He'll be you know, he'll blend in.

1080
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: It's non contentious. He's there to help, he's there to

1081
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: de escalate and be able to get you know, take

1082
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: care of the company. They're feeling confident. The head of

1083
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: HR is feeling confident. The person who's being terminated who's

1084
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: you know, showed a pattern of aggressive behavior is not

1085
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: feeling you know, aggravated now because there's some big guy

1086
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: there and it's really a great way to do it.

1087
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: And then for corporate leaders that fly around the world

1088
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: or you know, families, you want to have that executive

1089
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 3: protection age meets you at the airport or the expeditor

1090
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 3: that gets you through customs, meets our agent right there,

1091
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: who is like, hey, I am Zamir in Pakistan. It's

1092
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 3: great to meet you. Hey, we're heading out. This is

1093
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: what we're going to go do. We're tracking you back

1094
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: from Tyson's corner, making sure that everything's going well. We're

1095
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: talking on WhatsApp signal and if anything happens, there's a protest,

1096
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: there's a natural disaster, there's a terrorist attack, you immediately

1097
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: get the alert on your phone and we're immediately sending

1098
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 3: security teams into help, and it happens like that. I'm

1099
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: a seven day of the week guy. I'll be the

1100
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: first to admit that. I it's my Jews right. One

1101
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: of the things I figured out in my prep program was, Okay,

1102
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 3: what I need to be successful is a job that's dynamic,

1103
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: it's always changing. I need to be switched on like that.

1104
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1105
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: I love it. I do. And I think there's a

1106
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: lot of soft guys that that's it. And conversely, I

1107
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: think there's some guys that hit retirement and they need that,

1108
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: but they don't have that in their job, like they're

1109
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: missing it in some way and that's where it can

1110
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 3: turn into something else.

1111
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: So for Global retirement's changed, colonel, because now you can

1112
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: run for president at seventy eight years old. It's like

1113
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: you may have retired at sixty sounds awful, eighteen years

1114
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: to rerun again, you know, it's like, I just say it,

1115
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: man like. And also, these twenties and thirty year olds

1116
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: that you're praising, they're also the twenty and thirty year

1117
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: olds who are fending in Ukraine right now, Oh right,

1118
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: because amazing, that's who's in these trenches. And you're sitting

1119
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: there dotted all over that map. You have to know

1120
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: it's a twenty year old who comes up with certain Wow,

1121
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: that's a good idea.

1122
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, in my experience I have seen

1123
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 3: in the dawn of social media, I learned more from

1124
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: listening as a forty year old commander or your chief

1125
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: of staff or whatever. I learned more from turning around

1126
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: and asking a twenty seven year old staff sergeant how

1127
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: he would solve a problem than I did trying to,

1128
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: you know, get guys that were my age to come

1129
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: up with it, because he would say, hey, listen, why

1130
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: don't we just send him a signal? Note? What? Okay,

1131
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 3: he's in raka, All right, Well, let's figure out, like

1132
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 3: it's just things like that. You're like, that's a great idea. Actually,

1133
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: and you look at Ukraine now, the dirt laboratory of Ukraine.

1134
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: You see World War One trench warfare meets science fiction

1135
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: Philip kasik A, you know, a borderline AI drone warfare,

1136
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: all of these things happening in real time. And write

1137
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 3: to your point, right, it's all being driven by those

1138
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: young creative minds that grew up in this creative incubator

1139
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: of social media. The same things that people beat up

1140
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 3: these generations on are.

1141
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: All of duty. You know, the value of what.

1142
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: They're able to do and problem solved is phenomenal. That's why,

1143
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: as long as we don't screw up the future with

1144
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 3: a nuclear war or any of these other things, I

1145
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 3: am so optimistic about where we're going because of the talent.

1146
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 3: And look, they have a lot of roadblocks in their way.

1147
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: You know, the economy was not good to the millennials.

1148
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: They all the things are housing all these other challenges. Right,

1149
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: despite all of those horrible things that have been thrown

1150
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: at them that they've been able to overcome or are

1151
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 3: still fighting through now, I am still wildly optimistic on

1152
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: what the future looks like and what we're going to

1153
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: be able to do. You know, as long as you know,

1154
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: government doesn't overstep and creative minds are allowed to run well.

1155
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: As long as it doesn't show up here on our shores,

1156
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: it'll be too late if if the war comes here,

1157
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, if we don't try to feed this.

1158
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in Tampa, Florida. God rest the soul of

1159
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: any poor foreign country that tries to land in bro

1160
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: I don't come, don't come. There's a bunch of people

1161
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: in Florida that are praying for that day.

1162
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: Property bring it, Let's do it, right said, do you

1163
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 2: know it?

1164
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 3: You know it? It's well, look, it's part of that

1165
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 3: American spirit, right that separates us. It's true we're saying

1166
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 3: right now, Well, it's this idea of not necessarily manifest destiny,

1167
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: like we're definitely designed to go do this, but it's this, Hey,

1168
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: I'm not constrained by a cast system. I'm not constrained

1169
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: by you know, family dynamic. Necessarily, I can't expand and grow.

1170
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: And that evolution is going to be messy. It's going

1171
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: to piss people off. It's going to be fits and

1172
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: starts and not everyone's going to get along. Democracy is

1173
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: really messy. We see it the debates and how divided

1174
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: people are. All that said, that's not necessarily unhealthy. Here's

1175
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: what unhealthy looks like. You go to country X in

1176
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 3: the middle least, and you say something against the king

1177
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: or the crown prince or whatever. You get yourself thrown

1178
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 3: in jail or worse killed because you had an alternate opinion. Look,

1179
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: that's not what you want. It's okay to do it.

1180
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: It should not manifest itself in violence. That's never that's

1181
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: this is not French revolution time.

1182
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1183
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: I've been in revolutions, in civil wars. I've seen them

1184
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: happen firsthand. I've had to be wild in them. America

1185
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: is not at that point. People are out of their

1186
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: minds saying that, oh, we're gonna have a revolution. Okay, really,

1187
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 3: so walk out on your street and tell me who's

1188
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 3: the Democrat and the Republican? Who tell me? Yeah? Exactly.

1189
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: I say the type of stuff to folks, I'm like.

1190
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: Peter, don't lose their mind on it. They get confused

1191
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: in it, like and they have to just stop, take

1192
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 3: a step back and go, Okay, let me process what

1193
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 3: I'm feeling right now, work through what's real and what's nonsense. Right,

1194
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: learn this again, shout out doctor Wilbanks, and then be

1195
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: able to come up with something that resonates with me

1196
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: in my value systems. Hey, look, I retired. When I

1197
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: retired from military. I had a couple more years I

1198
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: could have served. I retired because I realized that my

1199
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 3: values had just fallen out of line with where the

1200
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: rest of the military was going with Afghanistan administration. That

1201
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: was okay, Like, there was nothing personal about that. When

1202
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 3: I really sat down and deconstructed it. It was just, Hey,

1203
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: if that's the case and I'm out of congruence, I'm

1204
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 3: the guy who has to leave, Okay, no problem. And

1205
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 3: I championed the military to this day. I'm their number

1206
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: one fan and advocate and I believe in them. But

1207
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 3: at a personal level, it's okay to step away if

1208
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 3: it's not If it's just not in line with you anymore.

1209
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: That's that. Just did it for that exact reason. Matter, Hey,

1210
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna pull us out of Syria, You're gonna leave

1211
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: me with my pasture and all the right you know,

1212
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: ypg just what in the breeze? In the breeze, But

1213
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: He's like.

1214
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: You know what, we don't align. Yeah.

1215
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he did that and a lot of people

1216
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: I give him credit for stepping up and saying, you

1217
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: know this, I'm just not this guy.

1218
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: There was a powerful moment for me when I was testifying,

1219
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: and I'll remember it to my dying day because I

1220
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: didn't know they were going to be there, but sitting

1221
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: right behind me were gold Star family members from Abbey Gate.

1222
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: So I'm testifying on how everything fell, and I remember

1223
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: and thank god I had gone through this processing process

1224
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: so I was able to handle sort of negative things visualization. Yeah.

1225
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: Somebody asked me, hey, certain people had said they have

1226
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: no regrets about how Afghanistan ended, And I got to

1227
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: tell you it was everything I could do to be

1228
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: like process, process, process, all right, I need to be

1229
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: very responsible about how I answer this. But how do

1230
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 3: you not have regrets? Right? Hey? Because there's two main billpairers,

1231
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: there's really three. There's the gold Star families who have

1232
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 3: to live with this loss for the rest of their life,

1233
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: which is correct. I can't wrap my mind around it.

1234
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 3: Do anything for him. There's the wounded in action that

1235
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: have a lifetime of care that we owe them, and

1236
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 3: it has to be high quality care, and I saw

1237
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: high quality care in the VIA. I know they get

1238
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 3: maligned in certain circles, and sometimes absolutely they should, but

1239
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 3: my experience has been very positive. But we owe them that.

1240
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: And then there's, frankly, in my opinion, the women of Afghanistan,

1241
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: which haunts me to this day. They can't be forgotten.

1242
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: You can't tell me you know that you care about

1243
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: women's rights and things when you unless they happen to

1244
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: be in the borders of this country where they can't

1245
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: walk outside without anything completely covering them. Seriously, if they're

1246
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 3: not allowed to talk outside, they can't go to school

1247
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: after fifth grade. Saddest thing in the world that you'll

1248
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: see second set. It's the word.

1249
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: And the thing is is like they'll take the teacher

1250
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: that might be female teaching them and then shoot her

1251
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: in front of the students. Of course they because I

1252
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 2: saw that. I saw swooters of that, and it was

1253
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: just the worst thing that these young women. You know,

1254
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: my favorite don't tread on Me flag has the fallopian

1255
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: tubes on it.

1256
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah right, no, one hundred percent. Okay have you seen that?

1257
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: Looks like the rattlesnake all treadov.

1258
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 3: And The worst part is I understand the financial thing.

1259
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 3: And look, there is a logic if you were to

1260
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: look at this from a cold logic perspective that absolutely resonates.

1261
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 3: When we were in Afghanistan. It was great for everybody

1262
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: in the region except for US because we had to fight.

1263
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 3: And when I say we, I mean the coalition NATO

1264
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: was awesome with the representation. It was us, it was

1265
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 3: all of our allies. All the Jihadis came to fight us.

1266
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: It was their super Bowl. That's where they were coming. Now,

1267
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: before we showed up, they were blowing up theaters in Moscow,

1268
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 3: they were fighting in Chechs here, they were doing all

1269
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: these things. They were just fantastasizing outside the borders. We

1270
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: show up for twenty years, we pull in. All of

1271
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: the fighting is happening with us. So, I you know,

1272
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: the one thing when I saw the Ayatola looking very

1273
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: smug after we left and we had the disaster at

1274
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 3: h Kay, We're leaving and I heard China and Russia

1275
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: all sitting back and chuckling. I'm like, I don't know

1276
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: what you're laughing at, man, because you just ate a

1277
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: huge problem that's come in your way. And since we've

1278
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: left that terrorist incubator of Afghanistan, which my kids are

1279
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 3: now going to have to go fight at some point.

1280
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: That is now, guess what, attacking theaters in Moscow, blowing

1281
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 3: up synagogues. They have come out multiple times and said

1282
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: they look forward to marching down the streets of Tehran

1283
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: with the ICEIS flag.

1284
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: Like, guys like you were missing odds of China and

1285
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: Russia trying to come back together to attack Afghanistan. And

1286
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: now that Afghanistan's fully loaded.

1287
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 3: Hey, and they share borders with them, and guess what,

1288
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: it's a lot easier to drive across the border and

1289
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 3: do nonsense and nefarious activities in China and Russia the

1290
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: way try you treated the youngers. Don't think that was

1291
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: lost on anyone in Afghanistan, like you are going to

1292
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 3: pay for this now, So I understand that logic. But

1293
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 3: this is about moral responsibility, and this is me personally right.

1294
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: I'm not speaking for the government, I'm not speaking for

1295
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 3: anybody else, just me. I just couldn't get past the

1296
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 3: fact that we abandoned We created this, this bubble of

1297
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,479
Speaker 3: hope in a place that was the most hopeless place

1298
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: on the planet. He bless than Haiti. I mean, it

1299
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 3: was hopeless. We gave him hope for twenty years and

1300
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: then one day, flip the lights off and he's gone.

1301
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: And why did he why did he sign that agreement?

1302
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: Why did he make that happen? And I'm blaming Trump

1303
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: on this, all of them. He even said though he

1304
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: even said I want to leave a mess.

1305
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: Well, look, all I can say is I can't.

1306
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 2: He did say that, he said I want to leave

1307
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 2: a disaster for the incoming guy. And he and why

1308
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: did he want to have the Taliban at the White

1309
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: House and at Camp David?

1310
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: Like sure, what was that about?

1311
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 2: You know? And so again he sold eighty five billion

1312
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: dollars in equipment to them and then pulled out on

1313
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: a summer twenty second before Christmas when a new president

1314
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: who he was still saying he was the president fighting

1315
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: over this, like you know, the ballots and everything. Who's

1316
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 2: the real president? And Biden obviously has come in and

1317
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: taken over. So it's like, how does he get to

1318
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: just like not get the fault for that? Plus I

1319
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: learned that Bogram was a Russian base anyways.

1320
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: So all of those here's what I tell you. It's yeah, please,

1321
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 3: all the every administration that touched it. The lack of strategy,

1322
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 3: the lack of lack of coherent campaign.

1323
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: Specifically pulled us out set specifically sind it.

1324
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so so just to answer the question on him,

1325
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: So the DOVA agreements absolutely put into place. Now there

1326
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 3: were seven main tenants with him, of which the Taliban

1327
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: was not holding up there into the bargain. So we

1328
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 3: got to December and he was like the President Trump

1329
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 3: said hey, let's get to zero. And again I'm not

1330
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 3: defending prison Trump. I'm just telling you what happened. Yeah, No,

1331
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 3: I just want to know. The military went in there

1332
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: and said, Joe Milly, who had worked with before, is

1333
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 3: a one star, stand up guy put in an ampossible situation. Yeah. Absolutely,

1334
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 3: he went in there and said, hey, if this happens,

1335
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 3: the entire thing collapses, and this is what's going to happen,

1336
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: You've got to leave a certain you know what I

1337
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 3: call the special Operations picket line looks a lot like

1338
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: two thousand and one. We've got Green Brays and seals

1339
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 3: out there assisting combat advisor work with those units that

1340
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 3: we built just by and the idea there is not

1341
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: that you're going to crush the Taliban, which keeps regenerating

1342
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: in Pakistan, but it's to really just buy space and

1343
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 3: time to get government services and get government support structures

1344
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: and institutions, try to get them codified, which by the way,

1345
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: this is like dodgeball. If you can do it in Afghanistan,

1346
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 3: can do it anywhere. But the thing is it was

1347
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 3: not coming together because of the corruption things. So I'm

1348
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 3: not saying it would have changed over time, but we

1349
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 3: didn't get a chance to try it because we didn't.

1350
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: What happened was the President Trump said, okay, look, we're

1351
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 3: not going to pull down a zero. Then I'm going

1352
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 3: to leave it for the next administration to fill out

1353
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: or to figure it out. And there was a lot

1354
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 3: of pollyannish thinking that happened in the next six months,

1355
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 3: which was things like, hey, well we're going to be

1356
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 3: able to just fall back and hold Hki Airfield in

1357
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 3: the US embassy called the island. Afghanistan can do the

1358
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 3: rest of it, and we're going to stop right out

1359
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 3: of there. Everyone on on our side of the fence

1360
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: was like, no, that's not going to work. General McKenzie

1361
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 3: went in there and told them, hey, look you need

1362
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: to have this, and they didn't do They didn't take

1363
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 3: that piece of advice. So to your point before, there's

1364
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 3: multiple people that own this. I agree, so the majority stakeholder,

1365
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 3: and we can agree to disagree on it, but it's

1366
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: not going to change anything, you know what I mean?

1367
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: Like at this point, well.

1368
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: He did literally like did he have to even do that?

1369
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: Couldn't he have just let the next administration? Because what

1370
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 2: I find to be kind of the problem here, and

1371
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: you can answer this or not, is sure the transfer

1372
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: of the situation. Okay, So like access to the I've

1373
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: interviewed people who transitioned to Obama from Bush and he said,

1374
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: rad I created thirty eight things that were so important

1375
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: that the president had a look at. And when I transitioned,

1376
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: it was not anything about Republican or Democrat. It was

1377
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: here's what's going on with the US, and this is

1378
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: what you need to focus on. This binder. Why did

1379
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: that binder never get to Biden to be able to

1380
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: start to work on it? Because it was I lived

1381
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 2: through it, I watched it, we saw it on TV.

1382
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 3: So if you've ever spent time in d C, and

1383
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 3: one of the things I always say is I love

1384
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 3: DC as a city, but everybody you went into there

1385
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 3: is the most important person. Just ask him. They'll tell you.

1386
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: Sure.

1387
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: It is a wash with hubris arrogance. When you get

1388
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: elected in the office. The sense of got it was

1389
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 3: there was sort of this moral mandate. Have you elected

1390
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: me in here on the things that I said I

1391
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: was going to do, So I'm going to go do

1392
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 3: them now without maybe just taking a beat and listening

1393
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 3: and just going, hey, maybe the timing of this is all. Hey,

1394
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 3: maybe we just pushed this six months to the right. Now,

1395
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 3: realize we're talking about maybees right. So it doesn't really

1396
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 3: matter because because.

1397
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 2: It's done right.

1398
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 3: Yes, I wish it wouldn't have gone that way. And

1399
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: really the real value of this conversation now is not

1400
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 3: necessarily even the blame. It would be nice if somebody

1401
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 3: from any of the administrations would take a little bit

1402
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 3: of accountability. Besides, you know, active duty service members who

1403
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: who've done a pretty good job of it. Somebody on

1404
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 3: the political side, that'd be nice. I don't care which

1405
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 3: just somebody do it somebody. But the real thing is

1406
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 3: are we going to be able to distill any lessons learned?

1407
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: You know, post Vietnam there was a lot of work

1408
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 3: that was done to capture Hey, how did this fail?

1409
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 3: General McMaster had written this in great book on exactly

1410
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: dereliction of duty and exactly why that happened and how

1411
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: we got there. If we can get past our political blinders,

1412
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 3: if we can get past the vitual, the hubris of

1413
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 3: our own position and truly self actualized and look at

1414
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 3: this factually, which is my point, because I don't blame

1415
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 3: at this point, is somewhat it's just not helpful. It's hey,

1416
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: what can we take away so we don't do this again?

1417
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: Is there any sort of guardrail we can put in

1418
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 3: a place. What's the real value of this? Now? You know,

1419
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 3: politics is politics? I mean the debate. You know, you'd

1420
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 3: hope that they would just lay out what they were

1421
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 3: planning on doing going forward, and all they did was

1422
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: fight with each other. And presidents don't even do debates

1423
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: for a job. So I've always been fascinated why we

1424
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 3: do debates in the first place. But whatever, But show me, like,

1425
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 3: show me what the path forward is, and let us

1426
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 3: make Americans are extremely intelligent. Let us make the choice

1427
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: that fits our value system. Right. Hey, when I was

1428
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: out of congruence, I chose, because of my values to

1429
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 3: step away some of my peers did. Some of my

1430
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 3: peers kept going, and God bless them for doing it right,

1431
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: because they are all on this step, right, thank God. Right,

1432
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 3: it's we're all. This is to choose your own adventure

1433
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 3: and you're on your own.

1434
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: Your volunteer army, Okay, it's volunteer.

1435
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 3: You can volunteer in, you can volunteer.

1436
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: Volunteer out. Okay, that's the thing. Right, We're not conscripted just.

1437
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 3: Yet, right, and it's okay. Right. So when I look

1438
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,959
Speaker 3: at something like Afghanistan, my takeaway is this, it's get

1439
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 3: the truth out if you're asked, like I was asked

1440
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: to come testify, so I did. I was able to

1441
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: do it because in my transition, I was able to

1442
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 3: get correct with you know, this great prep program and

1443
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 3: wonderful doctors and then doctor will doctor Will Banks out

1444
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,440
Speaker 3: of Atlanta, Sharon Harrer out of Tampa, Doc Merritt.

1445
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: At Will Banks.

1446
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you do that, then when you go to

1447
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 3: Global Guardian man, you will not get out of the park.

1448
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 3: For every single one of your customers, family, corporate, You're

1449
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 3: on it. You're ready to go because if you can

1450
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: handle that and you can go testify and you can

1451
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: just be honest with the truth. Well, you're going to

1452
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 3: be honest with the truth too with your clients. Say hey,

1453
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: this is what I think you need to do, and

1454
01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 3: this is how I can help you do it. And

1455
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: then that becomes such a valuable commodity for any corporation

1456
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: or any family that's traveling because the world's only getting

1457
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: more dynamic. You look at all the elections this year

1458
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 3: and how many countries are flipping from democratic over to

1459
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 3: something other. It's scary. You look at the rise of bricks.

1460
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 3: It's equal to nation.

1461
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 2: Germany, right, Germany just went to back to like East Germany.

1462
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: But it's it's wild, right, So, and somewhere in there

1463
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 3: the engine that runs America and the world our corporations are.

1464
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 3: It's the economy. We have to protect that. So I

1465
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: see that as an extension of what I did before

1466
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 3: of making sure that my clients can have business continuity

1467
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 3: around the world, that my clients can take care of

1468
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: their families whenever they're traveling. And I love it, rad

1469
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. I find tons of meaning and

1470
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: value in it. I see myself as a you know,

1471
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: I'm one of those guys that took bumps and made

1472
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: a ton of mistakes along the way, but was very

1473
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 3: lucky to find this that got me reset, enjoyed a wonderful, fun, adventurous,

1474
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 3: amazing ups and downs career. Was able to get reset

1475
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 3: and then find this amazing company that nothing against any

1476
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 3: of our competitors, because they're awesome, awesome folks too.

1477
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: They all have the mind of what you want to

1478
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 2: do too.

1479
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 3: But they just use a different model and our model

1480
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 3: is just so wildly different when everybody else has. Because

1481
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 3: they weren't green Berets, they were selling software before they

1482
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 3: decided to sell security. They didn't understand that when you

1483
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 3: live with Iraqi soldiers, how incredibly awesome they are at

1484
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 3: their job and what they can do for your corporate clients,

1485
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: you know, two decades later and it's great, and now

1486
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 3: our clients get you enjoy that and they get to

1487
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: drive the Lamborghini all the time and it's fantastic. That's awesome.

1488
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 3: I love it.

1489
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: And look, I could probably keep talking to you all

1490
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: day long, and as a friend, as as someone who's

1491
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: in the know like this, and I just want to

1492
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 2: extend my gratitude to you as the son of the

1493
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: greenber as you know, someone who didn't know what it

1494
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: took until he had to go in himself to realize

1495
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 2: that that green beras is.

1496
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 3: Not on every head.

1497
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: Try living around an air Force base and going up

1498
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: to it with your dad and like, how come he's

1499
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 2: got a trucker hat on?

1500
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: Dad?

1501
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 2: He's like, just keep coming with me. He literally just

1502
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 2: tore me in to make just keep going. Just don't

1503
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 2: worry about it, don't worry about it. I was like, oh,

1504
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: Dad's Army air Force base. But you know, I love

1505
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: all of you out there that have seen it and

1506
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: raised your hand in a ninety degree fashion to free

1507
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: the oppressed, for freedom of choice and to have freedom

1508
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: to be yourself. And if you want to get a tattoo,

1509
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: that's your choice to get a tattoo, but don't put

1510
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: your tattoo on me. Let me choose it.

1511
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: We're one hundred percent of line read. I got to

1512
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 3: tell you it's one hundred percent. And look, thank you

1513
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 3: for the opportunity to come in and tell my story today,

1514
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 3: my great career transition in how you know the space

1515
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 3: that Global guardians working in. And look, anytime you want

1516
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 3: to deep dive something, it could be again, stand, it

1517
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 3: can be Libya, it can be any one of the

1518
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 3: things that I've touched out there, feel free to call

1519
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 3: just you know. I feel Theistine Chapel divine spark in

1520
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 3: talking to you, and I agree we could talk forever.

1521
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 2: So I just want it to be like that, and

1522
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: I want to show my listener out there who might

1523
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: have trouble talking to other people. You and I just

1524
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: met today. We just had this organic conversation about some

1525
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: kind of touchy subjects which we could get touchier about,

1526
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 2: but we kept it real. And I want you to

1527
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 2: know that you can keep it real too. When you

1528
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: talk to other people. You don't have to get upset,

1529
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: just hear them out.

1530
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 3: If I can do it, anyone can do it. Seriously,

1531
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,839
Speaker 3: I'm staying all day on this podcast.

1532
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: I tell you I got all sorts of different colorful people,

1533
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 2: and so I just want my listener to know you

1534
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: can live in this world that we live in today

1535
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 2: and you can spread kindness because it's contagious.

1536
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: Amen.

1537
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,520
Speaker 2: Hey, all right now on behalf of Seth and myself.

1538
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: Excuse me former retired colonel.

1539
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 3: No, no, no, Seth.

1540
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: I always go Seth Now, Okay, I do Seth. I

1541
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: just want to say thanks for being on Soft rep

1542
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: and letting my listener listen and view us. And to

1543
01:12:57,880 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: Ben who hooked all this up on the back end,

1544
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 2: then I'll always reach out to you if I can

1545
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 2: get the kernel back on to nytime.

1546
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you talk some more with us?

1547
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So with that said, on behalf of Brandon Webb,

1548
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: who is my main man who runs this website, Navy

1549
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: Seal Sniper instructor, explorance author, love love them, love them.

1550
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 2: And to Anton who's going to edit this for us,

1551
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: and to you know, uh, everybody on the back end,

1552
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: Thank you so much Chris and Martin everybody out there

1553
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: that's helping. I also want to shout out my new

1554
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 2: website that I'm running with soft Rep, which is called

1555
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: the Loadoutroom dot com. You can go check out all

1556
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: the gear updates, all the reviews of me snowboarding and

1557
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 2: people shooting the SIGs and all these different types of

1558
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: cool things that are a load out in a lane

1559
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: of like it could be bowling. What do you wear

1560
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: when you go bowling? So the load out So go

1561
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: check out load out Room. And again thanks to Seth

1562
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 2: for being here. And I'm going to say this is

1563
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: rad saying the piece

1564
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: You've been listening to self repordia