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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast and Happy new Year.

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Speaker 1: David Penn, your host, glad to be with you as

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Speaker 1: always for episode number two sixty eight, comeing to you

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Speaker 1: on this January sixth, Tuesday at seven pm Central time.

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Speaker 1: We have a very special guest that's going to join

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Speaker 1: Good morning ten or Happy New Year, Happy new Year.

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Speaker 1: We're back at it again for another year. Let's all

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Speaker 1: you know they're just suppressing Professor Penn David Pant. Why

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not very good at being told to go away.

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Speaker 1: Matthew, let me just break in because this is so critical,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that's the most appropriate comparison. A lot

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Speaker 1: There's one point five million Republicans in Minnesota, Matthew, fifteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, our population is certainly much smaller in North

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Speaker 1: Yeah what you just said in Tanner, Have I not

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Speaker 1: And now you get to vote on who becomes your

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Speaker 1: You actually get to vote on who the standard bearers

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Speaker 1: You get to see that and you go, Wow, that

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Speaker 1: Let me find a candidate that's going to say, I've

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Speaker 1: out these people, we put pressure on them to do

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Speaker 1: the right thing. So let me tell you how I

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Speaker 1: do it here in Minnesota. You're gonna smile. If I

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Speaker 1: made a Republican Party delegate and they like me, I

433
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Speaker 1: know they're good. When they don't like me, I already

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Speaker 1: know who they are because a lot of people know

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Speaker 1: who I am. And you know we have this, you

436
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Speaker 1: know the Reagan rule. You know we don't criticize fellow Republicans. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was for a different time. Right now, the party

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Speaker 1: is bifurcated. And what I do here in Minnesota is

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Speaker 1: I call out Republicans that are not acting in a

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Speaker 1: Republican way. So the party doesn't like me, I think

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Speaker 1: that's dumb. Here comes winter. In winter, good tires are

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Speaker 1: in a luxury, they're a necessity for safety. At tireget

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446
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Speaker 1: winter season. I think when the citizens get involved and

447
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: we make our feelings known to the people that represent us,

448
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: they don't rule over us. They're empowered to represent me.

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00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: If I don't like how you're doing it, it's my

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Speaker 1: right to tell you and then they go, well, we'll

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Speaker 1: never win with this conflict. Yeah. Uh well, let me

452
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Speaker 1: tell you I don't think that that's necessarily the truth.

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Speaker 1: I think we can have a strong disagreement and then

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Speaker 1: unify after the primary. We can fight, fight, fight, fight,

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Speaker 1: fight for what we believe. We're not so childish as

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Speaker 1: to stay home because our candidate didn't get In other words,

457
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Speaker 1: a soft, squishy suck Republican is better than a communist marginally,

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Speaker 1: marginally better. And if we get those kind of people

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Speaker 1: they get through the process, I'm going to support them,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to promote them, I'm going to doorknock for them,

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Speaker 1: and then the day after the election, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: try to hold them accountable. That's the kind of citizens'

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Speaker 1: engagement that I'm trying to build here in Minnesota. And

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Speaker 1: it sounds like we're in agreement about this, correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you deserve the government that you get.

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Speaker 2: If you're not doing the things that you just mentioned

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Speaker 2: and your government is awful, then the owners of that

468
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Speaker 2: blame lies on your shoulder. And I don't think people

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Speaker 2: like to hear that, but if you're not engaged, it's

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Speaker 2: not everybody else's fault. It's yours. You're the one that

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Speaker 2: can correct the situation by being part of the process.

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned the bifurcation and the party that's very

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Speaker 2: much occurring here as it is in Minnesota. And what

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Speaker 2: makes being a Republican both a privilege to end a

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Speaker 2: complication is that we aren't high minded like the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: We don't take talking points in marching orders. We're independent thinkers.

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Speaker 2: And anytime you try to get a lot of independent

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Speaker 2: thinkers together and get them to agree on something, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be, you know, a messy process. And where

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Speaker 2: I think that we're falling short is that a lot

481
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Speaker 2: of us have decided, well, that process shouldn't be messy.

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Speaker 2: You know, we should all just toe the line if

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Speaker 2: we're going to be successful. And I think, what's the

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Speaker 2: point in differentiating ourselves from the Democrats if we're going

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Speaker 2: to adopt exactly the policies that make them Democrats. You're

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Speaker 2: spot on. We should have an ugly primary process. There

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Speaker 2: should be no uncontested seats ever, and then we need

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Speaker 2: to rally together for exactly the reason that you said

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day. You know the Reagan

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Speaker 2: cliche that's used a lot, but I think it's prescient,

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Speaker 2: is that eighty percent of my allies not twenty percent

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Speaker 2: my enemy. So we have the benefit of the primary

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Speaker 2: process of fighting around those margins in that twenty percent

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Speaker 2: that we should because those conversations have to take place.

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Speaker 1: Because that's how we we work on each other. This

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Speaker 1: is how we this is how the process moves forward,

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Speaker 1: is through disagreement. We have an adversarial system. What our

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Speaker 1: founding fathers gave us was a way to adjudicate disputes

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Speaker 1: without shooting each other. Yes, you know, the conflict is

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Speaker 1: still there. And of course here in Minnesota, I just

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Speaker 1: have to say it. I don't know about North Dakota culture.

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Speaker 1: Probably a little bit similar maybe got a lot of

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Speaker 1: Northern Europeans down here, and it's called Yonte culture by

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Speaker 1: the anthropologists. Very passive, aggressive. Everybody's got to stick together

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Speaker 1: for survival. It's pretty cold here right now today. Same

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Speaker 1: thing up there, you know. And if you go back

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Speaker 1: two hundred years in the Northern Europe that's where Tanner's

508
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Speaker 1: family is from, people had to get alonger. They didn't

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Speaker 1: get from fall to spring. So you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: great deal of social solidarity. Uh, and that spans parties

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Speaker 1: that in Minnesota that actually creates a UNIQ party down here.

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Speaker 1: We don't like conflict, don't want to have any conflict.

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Speaker 1: We certainly don't want any outsiders. Nobody ever asked me

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Speaker 1: if I was a Christian. They just think I'm Jewish,

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Speaker 1: so that the only anti Semitism I've ever suffered in

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Speaker 1: my entire life in Minnesota has been in the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party of Minnesota, which is staggering to me. You know,

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Speaker 1: so we've you know, we got to call those things out. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know we if we don't boldly advance Republican values,

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Speaker 1: we lose them. But I have to ask a question,

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Speaker 1: since your party is bifurcated and you're new to your role,

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Speaker 1: is it a two year term up there?

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Speaker 2: I think that completely depends upon how effective I am

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Speaker 2: the term itself. If I misunderstood your question, Yes, the

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Speaker 2: term is two years.

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Speaker 1: And you have pushback. You have pushback from in the party.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to remove you. Is that going on right now?

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Speaker 1: Are you relatively entrenched?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm a fairly new figure at the state level.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I've been incredibly involved at the district

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Speaker 2: level for a long time. I've helped write bills. I

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Speaker 2: have helped to rewrite bylaws for parties, have been involved

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Speaker 2: in the districts. A door knock of Foga dog. I

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Speaker 2: had done all of the lifting, but there is a

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Speaker 2: certain sense of you have to wait your term and

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Speaker 2: be coornated into a certain position. And again, I just

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Speaker 2: don't believe that at all. I believe that I'm a

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Speaker 2: sovereign citizen, as you mentioned earlier. So we had a

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Speaker 2: rare opportunity with the state chairmanship coming open unexpectedly eighteen

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Speaker 2: days before the election. My predecessor decided very last minute

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Speaker 2: that she did not want to run per election because

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Speaker 2: this is an ugly position. You take flak from all sides.

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Speaker 2: So I don't begrudge her that decision, but the timing

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Speaker 2: was unfortunate. So there was a scramble of you know,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people that wanted to position. There were

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Speaker 2: a couple of people that I think expected that coronation,

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Speaker 2: and I came out of left field through my hat

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Speaker 2: in and through some strategic overtakings of districts over the

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Speaker 2: last five to ten years, similar to what we talked about.

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Speaker 2: We had the numbers and I was able to win

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Speaker 2: in a very highly contested race, but that has made

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Speaker 2: me persona Andrada. For some people, there's been a lot

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Speaker 2: of well, let's just pack up our ball and go

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Speaker 2: home then, And that part has been really dismaying. Is

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Speaker 2: the level of childhood from adults that should be pillars

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Speaker 2: of the society. I didn't expect that and maybe came

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Speaker 2: in a little naive thinking, Okay, we share common values here.

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Speaker 2: We can fight out to see who has this position,

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Speaker 2: but then we rally around common values and I still

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Speaker 2: think we can get there. But there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: ego and personality that needs to be addressed there. So

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Speaker 2: it's a contentious position for sure, but I don't shy

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Speaker 2: away from the fight.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a very intellectually stimulating, provocative, very provocative

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Speaker 1: thing you just said. Because I'm always looking for how

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Speaker 1: to unify here in Minnesota. The establishment refused me as

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Speaker 1: a very I've been called a communist. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: been called everything you know, and I say, these people, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm trying to unify with you all.

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Speaker 1: I came into the party to serve the party. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know I was going to get spit out because

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Speaker 1: I held, you know, America first or views. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that that was going to be the outcome, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure that was the issue. It could

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Speaker 1: have just been pure ego, you know, I don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not inside of these people's heads. But you said

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Speaker 1: something that's very intellectually provocative, which is, what are the

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Speaker 1: common values that we can develop as a this is

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Speaker 1: our what are our common values? I mean this makes

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Speaker 1: me ask you when you talk about common values in

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Speaker 1: North Dakota for Republicans, what are the common values that

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Speaker 1: could serve to unite the Republicans of North Dakota in

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Speaker 1: your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great question. I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: asking it, and we've been struggling with this for some time,

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Speaker 2: but I think the approach we've taken is going to

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Speaker 2: pay dividends with time. We used to have a party

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Speaker 2: platform that was sprawling many, many, many pages, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think that's dissimilar from a lot of other states.

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Speaker 2: But the party platform is really the mission statement. It's

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Speaker 2: a here are our core tenants of what we all

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Speaker 2: believe in. This is what we rally around. This is

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Speaker 2: how legislation should be crafted. These are the things that

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Speaker 2: we come together. Over and over the years, we were

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Speaker 2: able to really focus those in a little bit more

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Speaker 2: and we came down to ten, because you know, ten's

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Speaker 2: a great number. You got ten commandments, let's go for

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Speaker 2: you know, ten party platform planks. And we did that

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Speaker 2: and we made them, you know, a very bulleted list

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Speaker 2: with a detailed explanation underneath. But we put that out

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Speaker 2: on our website, we put that in a giant banner

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Speaker 2: in our headquarters building. We started to really push that.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's so easy to get hyper focused on

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Speaker 2: where we differ on the margins. We need to come

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Speaker 2: back and say, do we all still believe in these things?

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Speaker 2: Because if we don't, what are we doing here? And

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Speaker 2: as long as the answer is yes, we still believe

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Speaker 2: in these core tenants, which you know, in my mind

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Speaker 2: are the core tenets of republicanism and smaller republicanism. As

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Speaker 2: long as we still all believe in that, then we

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Speaker 2: have something to unify around. So that's been the big push.

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Speaker 2: And there's certainly people within the party that don't believe

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Speaker 2: in those they they are their views are antithetical to

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Speaker 2: the party platform. But because of some systemic problems that

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Speaker 2: we have in the way that our statute is crafted,

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Speaker 2: we have very limited ability to put teeth behind enforcing that.

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Speaker 2: So that's one of the areas I'm focused on is

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Speaker 2: remedying that so we all know when we look at

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Speaker 2: fellow Republicans. Yes, we're not going to all agree. That's okay,

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Speaker 2: that's actually better than if we did. But we have

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Speaker 2: to have a rallying set of principles, and that's what

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Speaker 2: that platform is intended to be.

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Speaker 1: Can you. I don't want to put you on the

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Speaker 1: spot because I know if somebody did this to me

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Speaker 1: at my age, I mon only get seven of them.

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Speaker 1: But could you just rip those ten off just so

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Speaker 1: we can see or or maybe we'll go through them

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Speaker 1: slowly because you know, I've tried to get it down

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Speaker 1: to the four pillars of being a Republican as a

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Speaker 1: life philosophy. You have ten planks of what you believe

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Speaker 1: would unite North Dakota Republican. They're already living the Republican

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Speaker 1: lifestyle theoretically. Now these are the ten philosophical or legislator,

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Speaker 1: you tell me how you want to care. I want

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Speaker 1: to learn this. This is cool?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and I'm glad you gave me a minute

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Speaker 2: there to pull it up because I would love to

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Speaker 2: just wing them off the top of my head. But

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Speaker 2: if I if I made a mistake, I would have

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Speaker 2: people that would owe my feet to the fire, and

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Speaker 2: rightfully so. And in that vein the first mistake, I

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Speaker 2: said ten, there's nine, so probably it's nine. Would over

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Speaker 2: down to the.

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Speaker 1: Let's add one so it fits in with the ten commandments.

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Speaker 2: And there's a much more round number ten. I like

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Speaker 2: ten better. But if we just went down a bulleted list,

646
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Speaker 2: I mean, we could dive into any of these, because

647
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Speaker 2: again they each have about a paragraph explaining them further.

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Speaker 2: But from a bulleted list standpoint, we believe in individual liberty,

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Speaker 2: in personal responsibility, and limited is.

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Speaker 1: That all number one? Now is this number one?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, those those are each individual one. Number one.

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Speaker 1: Number one is number one.

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Speaker 2: Number one's individual liberty.

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Speaker 1: Number two.

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Speaker 2: Two is personal responsibility. And that's you know, that's a

656
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Speaker 2: large part of what we've been talking about that I

657
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: think people overlook sometimes everybody loves the liberty and they

658
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Speaker 2: forget that the responsibility is a paramount part of that.

659
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Speaker 2: Number three is limited government for peace through strength and

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Speaker 2: the rule of law. Five is lower taxes. Six is

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Speaker 2: the right to bear arms. Seven is family integrity and

662
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: the American moral tradition, and then age is quality education,

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Speaker 2: and nine is legislative integrity. And again each one of

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Speaker 2: those have a lot more detail below them, but I

665
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Speaker 2: think the way people remember things and the way that

666
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Speaker 2: people associate with things, as you start with a real

667
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: high point bolleted list like that, and again we post

668
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Speaker 2: that everywhere, that is the rallying cry. Then it comes

669
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Speaker 2: back to, Okay, what do each one of those mean?

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Speaker 2: And I think that comes into the margins a little bit.

671
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Speaker 2: We've got it pretty well articulated of what we expect

672
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Speaker 2: each of those to mean, and we expect people in

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Speaker 2: the party to adhere to those principles.

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Speaker 1: How about number nine legislative integrity? That I mean, I

675
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Speaker 1: think the rest of them I pretty much got a sense,

676
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Speaker 1: and I think I have a sense of this one.

677
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Speaker 1: But I think it's very important because I believe it

678
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Speaker 1: or not, a lot of elected officials here in Minnesota

679
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Speaker 1: watch this podcast. A lot of them aren't going to

680
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Speaker 1: admit to it. We have a lot of state representatives

681
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Speaker 1: that come on here regularly. I know I'm listening to

682
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Speaker 1: I know I'm listening to at the r NC because

683
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Speaker 1: ak Kamara listens to me. So you know, now Matthew,

684
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Speaker 1: Now Matthew Simon has listened to me. So the podcast

685
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Speaker 1: becomes a really interesting place to proliferate a set of ideas.

686
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how many National Committee people

687
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Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. I know two are listening. How

688
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: many National Committee people are there right now? The total number.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty eight total, So, as you mentioned,

690
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Speaker 2: state gets three and then the US territories also get three.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I got two National Committee people that have

692
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Speaker 1: appeared on this show and listen to it, and we'd

693
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Speaker 1: like to have more on You could help me with

694
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Speaker 1: that if you want to send people. But because we

695
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Speaker 1: want to take an idea like legislative integrity, what does

696
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Speaker 1: that mean in your set of nine with one more

697
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Speaker 1: about to be added? What is that ninth one? What

698
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Speaker 1: does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Let me just read it verbatim and then we can

700
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Speaker 2: discuss it further. Legislators should lead through personal moral integrity

701
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: and should commit should consider this platform responsibly before supporting

702
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Speaker 2: or opposing legislation.

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Speaker 1: I get it, and I'll tell you that is a

704
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: big bone stuck in the throat of citizen activists here

705
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, because we've got a gap between our elected

706
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: officials and the part in other words, the party volunteers

707
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: because it's not paid to be in the party, yep,

708
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: the people that are outdoor knocking and putting stamps on

709
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: envelopes and holding fundraisers and trying to spread Republicanism when

710
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: we're in an election cycle. Of course, the candidates are

711
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: hanging around after they get elected. They don't care about

712
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: the party anymore until they need to use us again.

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Speaker 1: And it sounds to me from number nine that what

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Speaker 1: you're saying is this is the North Dakota Republican creed

715
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Speaker 1: and when we elect you, we expect you to pay

716
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Speaker 1: attention to it. Do I get that pretty much? Is

717
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Speaker 1: that what you're trying to say?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're spot on, and we've done a really good

719
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: job as of late of really holding our elected officials

720
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Speaker 2: to this because one of the major things that I

721
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: ran on was it I was tired of seeing this

722
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: disconnect between word and deed in the party. That you

723
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: talk to any any Republican around our state or I'm

724
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: sure yours too, and you're going to hear a lot

725
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: of the same talking points because you know, they the

726
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: words are correct. You know, I'm pro life, i am

727
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: pro gutten, you know, the things that we outline in

728
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: our platform. But then when it comes to how they

729
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: vote or legislation that they support or oppose, is this

730
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: platform plank sets there is that real mismatch that the

731
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Speaker 2: deed in their voting record does not match the words

732
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Speaker 2: that they're using what they ran on. Uh, And that's

733
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Speaker 2: a problem. Now, what we've done as a party in

734
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Speaker 2: the past and the very recent past, which has caused

735
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Speaker 2: a lot of ripples in this state, is that when

736
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Speaker 2: we have that kind of disconnect, it's our duty as

737
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Speaker 2: a party to hold them accountable. And we can pass resolutions,

738
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Speaker 2: you know, we can make public statements understanding that there's

739
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Speaker 2: some teeth involved in that. You know, it's not like

740
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Speaker 2: a like a censure, for example, is a way to

741
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Speaker 2: publicly condemn an action taken. There are options like that.

742
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Speaker 2: The idea is that the party needs to hold its

743
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: elected representatives accountable because the membership of the party demands

744
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: that of us, and they should because we're not doing that,

745
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: we're not needed. Somebody better should be in place, and

746
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: the elected representatives, if they're not following our platform and

747
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: our ideals, then they should be replaced. And again it's

748
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: the job of us as elected people within the party

749
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Speaker 2: to call out if they're not. And when you do that,

750
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Speaker 2: I mean you make waves because you don't see that

751
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Speaker 2: on the other side of the aisle. It's very much

752
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: toe the line there and it's not here. And I

753
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: think we would do well as a party to remember

754
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Speaker 2: that this is a good thing, as opposed to seeing

755
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Speaker 2: everything as a personal attack and having a frail ego.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's never I tell people all the time, it's

757
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: not personal, it's business. In fact, I just told this

758
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Speaker 1: to a candidate for Senator, a guy named Adam Schwartzy.

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Speaker 1: I saw him at the State Central Community meeting in

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Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, and I, you know, I'm

761
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Speaker 1: attacking him because I don't think he's honest. And then

762
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Speaker 1: just I could be wrong, And I say all the time,

763
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I say it right on the podcast.

764
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Speaker 1: I'm only saying what my feelings are. It could be

765
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Speaker 1: more revealing about me than it is about him. I mean,

766
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not in his head, but it

767
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: just doesn't add up for me. And I walked up

768
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Speaker 1: to him and shook his hand and I said, man,

769
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Speaker 1: I just want you to know, if you get the

770
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Speaker 1: endorsement and you win the primary, you're going to have

771
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Speaker 1: my full support. And what I'm saying is not personal,

772
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Speaker 1: it's business. You know. I'd like to be your friend.

773
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Speaker 1: I respect you. And he was pissed at me and

774
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: he let me know it. And that's that kind of

775
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: ego based politics, because it really is kind of a

776
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: theater at a certain level. The whole thing is theater.

777
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: We have our personal beliefs. I try to be very

778
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: bold than my criticism of people, but I'm also very

779
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: honest that I don't know for sure I can own.

780
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Speaker 1: And this is the way it goes down. And I

781
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: want to get to something with this because this is

782
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: really opening up a whole new worldview for me about

783
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: political strategy. Because watch this now. I know now Tanner

784
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: doesn't know. I'm going to school him up here. But

785
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: we have eight congressional districts in Minnesota. Four are held

786
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Speaker 1: by Republicans. We have two Senate seats. They're both held

787
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Speaker 1: by the Democrats. We have a democrat state. I mean,

788
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Speaker 1: I would call it a socialist state generally speaking, I

789
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: don't know that. I mean, if I really pushed my brain.

790
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Speaker 1: I could probably come up with the names of the

791
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Speaker 1: senators in North Dakota, but I'm not going to do it.

792
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you you have two senators, how

793
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: many House members do you have in North Dakota.

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Speaker 2: We have one and only one. We have the bare minimum.

795
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Speaker 2: We have one congres rational representative at large that covers

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Speaker 2: the entire state.

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Speaker 1: And is that a Republican? It is?

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Speaker 2: And our two senators are also Republican.

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Speaker 1: Great, and so that would make a lot of sense

800
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Speaker 1: in a state that you said was seventy percent or

801
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: more Republican. So when people are not voting the Republican

802
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: creed in a Republican state, and if you want to

803
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: just start talking about the weather, I'll understand you don't

804
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about this. What is going on in

805
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: a state? And you know, from a political strategy perspective,

806
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: to have two locked in Republican senators and one locked

807
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: in Republican congress person. And I'm assuming that you know

808
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: you've got three good National Committee people. Maybe maybe not,

809
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, But from a political strategy perspective, North

810
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: Dakota is a strong hold of Republicanism. Yet yet when

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Speaker 1: I go down to Oklahoma, where every single county voted

812
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Speaker 1: red in the last presidential election. We got a senator

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00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: down there, James Langford, who I mean calls himself a Republican,

814
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: but his legislation that he proposes is not in congruence

815
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Speaker 1: with the modern Republican Party at all, at all, at all.

816
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: So it happens so when you don't have you have

817
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: a political struggle up there in a seventy percent Republican state.

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Speaker 1: What's the beef?

819
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm glad you asked, and you started off

820
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: saying if we don't want to talk about it, that's fine.

821
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Speaker 2: I very much do want to talk about this because

822
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Speaker 2: I think if you don't live in a state that

823
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Speaker 2: has such a supermajority, the conclusion that you draw was

824
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: would be exactly that, Well, what are people arguing about

825
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: if it's such a homogeneous Republican state. The problem you

826
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Speaker 2: outline in Oklahoma, it is the same problem we have

827
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Speaker 2: in North Dakota, is the same problem that they have

828
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Speaker 2: in Wyoming, where you have states that are very, very

829
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Speaker 2: dominated by the Republican Party to the effect that the

830
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Speaker 2: Democrat Party is completely ineffectual save a couple of strongholds.

831
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Speaker 2: That they have. The problem that that creates is that

832
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are drawn to politics are

833
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: opportunistsic empower hungry people. That's just it's the nature of politics.

834
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Speaker 2: So if somebody isn't grounded by what I would say

835
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Speaker 2: like a good Christian moral creed, and they're more chameleon,

836
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Speaker 2: more shape shifting, they'll see there is no possible way

837
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Speaker 2: for me, if I'm a Democrat, to win in the

838
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 2: majority of this state. So as long as I don't

839
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Speaker 2: have that underpinning of moral values, I'll just put an

840
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: R by my name, say that I'm a Republican, and

841
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: I'll draw for the apathy of the average voter.

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00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: That is the clearest and most insightful explanation of this

843
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Speaker 1: I've ever heard Tanner clip that. That is devastatingly accurate,

844
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Speaker 1: and I've intuitively kind of thought it, But you can't

845
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: see it in bold relief unless you see it in

846
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: an overwhelmingly Republican polity. And you know, when you start

847
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: talking about shapeshifters and stuff, makes me wonder what your

848
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: background is, because not that many people talk that way.

849
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Speaker 1: But that's super cool, that explanation of that. So what

850
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing you say is and of course this is

851
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: not politics, this is human nature. Politics reflects human nature.

852
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: So everybody was striving for redemption and was striving to

853
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Speaker 1: be reconciled to God, and that was the focus of

854
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: their life, their spiritual life. We'd have none of this.

855
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: But that is utopia. No, that's that's the world to come.

856
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Speaker 1: In this world, we have people that are spiritually unmoored, unbelievers,

857
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: and they will shape shift and become something they're not

858
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: just to acquire power and wealth. That's what I heard

859
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: you say.

860
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know it. If men were angels, we

861
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: would have no need for government. Men aren't angels. Oh,

862
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: we have this need for a governing body, and it's

863
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: going to be made up of fallible individual people. Now,

864
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: you made a great point, you said, you know, if

865
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: we were all striving for a moral good, if we

866
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: were all centered in our faith, then a lot of

867
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: these arguments would go away. But not everybody is. And

868
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: I think this is high time that we stop pretending

869
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: that that's not the case. There are people out there

870
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: that are demonically possessed. There are people out there that

871
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: are just broken. There's people out there that just you know,

872
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: don't have the same moral turpitude that maybe you or

873
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: your neighbor, my neighbor, or me may have. And we

874
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: need to stop putting blinders on because we want to

875
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: feel comfortable and nice, because that's making us apathetic, and

876
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: that's allowing these people, these players that are you know,

877
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: these in some cases evil players, to get a foothold

878
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: in the power structure of our communities and our states.

879
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: And then we run into these problems where you know,

880
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: our state is so dominated by people who are wearing

881
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: a badge that says Republican, but if you hold up

882
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: their voting records next to our platform, a lot of

883
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: times they miss by a lot or they go the

884
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: opposite way. We've we've actually got a couple of activists

885
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: in this state that put together a really interesting tool.

886
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: It's called legend Eate, and there's a bunch of different

887
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 2: scorecards that everybody uses. And the inherent problem with scorecards

888
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: is that every scorecard has implicit bias of the person

889
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: that created it. Now, where this one differs, where I

890
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: think it's really good, is that what it does is

891
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: it takes the whole body of votes, it doesn't cherry pick,

892
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: and it compares the person who has the most liberal

893
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: voting record to everybody else on the spectrum, and then

894
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: it highlights you know, blue to light blue to you know,

895
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: all the way up to deep red. And if you

896
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: look in North Dakota, where again we are a super

897
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: majority Republican, you start to put those colors on of

898
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: how they vote with the most liberal members, and you

899
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: find that the vast majority are either really light pink

900
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: or really light blue, that they're right there around the center.

901
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 2: But every one of them will tell you that they're

902
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: the most conservative, the ever conservative, and you know it.

903
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 2: It's a problem. So having a tool like that's really useful.

904
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: That benefits us when we're trying to hold people acout hauntable.

905
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 2: But I think sometimes the general public needs to see

906
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: that too, because they hear the sixty second sound bit

907
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 2: and said, well, this person obviously believes what I believe,

908
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 2: and then they disengage until it's time to vote again.

909
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: And I think you need regular reports like that. I mean,

910
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: in my professional life, I have regular check ins. I

911
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: have regular you know, performance reviews. You know, when you

912
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: were in school, you had report cards. When you go

913
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: to your bank, you present your personal financial statements. Life

914
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: is all about being graded upon your actual performance. But

915
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: for some reason, we believe in politics that we don't

916
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: need to do that, and that's creating a problem in society.

917
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: Well here in Minnesota, where the thievan and the stealing

918
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: could be at the intergalactic level. Of course, they don't

919
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: want a report card, of course. I mean, you know, Tanner,

920
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: have you heard me say, uh, why do you put

921
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: a lock on your front door? You know why your

922
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: locks on your front door? You know why?

923
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: You know? Why me this?

924
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: And it always stumps me for some reason. Okay, the

925
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: only reason there's a lock on the front door of

926
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: your house is to keep honest people from stealing. Criminals

927
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: have just kicked the door in. So when you don't

928
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: have basic controls in government, you know, like we got

929
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: this thing. You're watching this thing in Minnesota. I mean,

930
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: you're seeing it. We don't. I mean, and I'm very

931
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: careful about this because there's a twenty billion, thirty billion. Hey,

932
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, let's start indicting people, trying them. Let's see

933
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: dispositive evidence of this feven. I'm not a big one

934
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: to rush to judgment. I know what's going on, and

935
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, this studio has been very integral in talking

936
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: about problems in Minnesota. Since it's been open and a

937
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: lot of people have brought this to light. I mean,

938
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: it's certainly taken a community effort. But how big the

939
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: problem is we really don't know. But what I know

940
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: because in my profession life I'm a business owner. If

941
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm getting robbed at that allows every year I have

942
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: a certified public audit and the auditor asked me, how

943
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: are your fraud controls? Are you aware of any potential fraud?

944
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: Are you worried about this? And it I'm getting that's

945
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: the report card, that's the check in, right, and I

946
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: got to go on the record. And if I lie

947
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: about it, I'm actually setting up problems for my legal

948
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: problems for myself downstream. So private business has to have controls,

949
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: so that government private business have to have some controls.

950
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: And of course it's my money, so I don't want

951
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: to get robbed, but it's our money in government that

952
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: is the common good. And here in Minnesota there is

953
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: a problem. The depth of the problem, the scope of

954
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: the problem, the solution of the problem, although those things

955
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 1: are to be determined now. If you ask me personally

956
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: what I think is going on, I think it's us

957
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: foreign policy. I don't think billions of dollars go missing

958
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: like this, and if we had the courage to track

959
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: it down, it go all the way to DC. But

960
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: that's just me making an opinion, like a speculation, and

961
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm not into spreading rumors. I'm bookmarkting. I'm saying I

962
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: think that needs to be checked off and make sure

963
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: that that's not happening. But people need to remember. And

964
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: we're going to play this on the Thursday podcast. On

965
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: September tenth, two thousand and one, the day before nine

966
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: to eleven, Don Rumsfeld walked up to a microphone in

967
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: front of a gagle of reporters and he announced that

968
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: the Department of Defense could not account for two point

969
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: three trillion dollars of payments. And if you really watch

970
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: this stuff closely, like we do here on the podcast,

971
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: the Department of Defense just failed its eighth certified audit

972
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: in a row. And there are very intelligent people who

973
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: were in government that are saying something like twenty trillion

974
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: dollars have gone missing just through the Department of Defense

975
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety seven. So when good people are not

976
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: involved in government, and then people are going to say, oh, well,

977
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: that's just overwhelming. That's DC no. That's supposed to make

978
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: you give up. I can't do anything about no. No.

979
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: The solution of this problem is not in Washington. It's

980
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: in Fargo, North Dakota at your next caucus. Is that

981
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: when we get a cultural change, a cultural change where

982
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: people do what's on your nine soon to be ten

983
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: planks to the platform, when people actually take responsibility for

984
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: their freedom, that's the change. I think that's what the

985
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: whole podcast is about, getting people to take responsibile and gonna.

986
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm so crazy. And I know you have a little

987
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: of this in you too, because I can hear it

988
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: in your voice. I actually feel the whole burden of

989
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: fixing this country is mine. That's how intense I am

990
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: about personal response. Does that make sense to you?

991
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy that you said.

992
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy. I realize it's both narcissistic and crazy.

993
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: But also whatsoever you believe when you pray, believe you'll

994
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: receive it and you shall have it. And if you

995
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: had the faith of a grain of a mustard sea,

996
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: you can cast a mountain into the ocean. So you know,

997
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: we have the tools given to us about how to

998
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: solve this problem. And I personally believe that you know,

999
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: Matthew and Mark, which are taught to us as historical documents,

1000
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: are actually the rule book of how to defeat evil

1001
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: right here, right now. And if we get these kind

1002
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: of people that you're talking about, people that have give

1003
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: an over to seeking a moral center in their own lives,

1004
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: if they've flooded into politics, we could solve this in

1005
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: one or two cycles. And the big question down here

1006
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: in at Free People Radio is the word around the

1007
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: Menop campfire is there's a million Christians that do not

1008
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: vote in Minnesota. Does that make any sense to you?

1009
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a terrible statistic to hear, because I think

1010
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: you hit the nail on the head that it's overwhelming

1011
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: to look at what's happening in DC. And that's the

1012
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: point is to make the problem so big that people

1013
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: give up, so that you have a million Christians in

1014
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: Minnesota that don't participate at all at any level. And

1015
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: I think if you pull the average person, they think

1016
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: they participate a lot more than they do. You know,

1017
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: I go on social media and I complain about you know,

1018
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: this president or the last you know that's me participating.

1019
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: Now that that's not you doing anything but emoting, and

1020
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: that's okay. I do it too. You know, sometimes sometimes

1021
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: you just need to following following.

1022
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: You're following me on X now, thank you very much.

1023
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: Yes I am. I was forced dragging and screaming to

1024
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: set up an account on X by our national committeewoman

1025
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: Laurie in our state here, who is just an absolute

1026
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: rock star of a person. Could not ask for somebody

1027
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: better to represent your state than what we have with her.

1028
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,479
Speaker 2: But she convinced me, she said, that's that's the place

1029
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: to be for social media. So I'm working on it.

1030
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm trying to to put a little more time into

1031
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 2: getting a little more involved there, but times a limited quantity,

1032
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: and each one of those as a time suck. And

1033
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: your point about being involved locally, I think was again depressioned.

1034
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: That's where we need to not be disengaged, because that's

1035
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: where our voice matters. When we talked about district politics earlier,

1036
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: the first time I showed up to this reorganization meeting

1037
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: where I had been told don't bother, there were thirty

1038
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: people at it, thirty And our legislative districts are are

1039
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: organized in such a way that the populations are equivalent

1040
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: or roughly equivalent, so the geography is vastly different. The

1041
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: district I'm in has immense geography because it's largely rural.

1042
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: But we're only talking eighteen thousand people. But still, out

1043
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: of eighteen thousand people, the majority of whom being Republican,

1044
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: we had thirty people making the decisions and keeping everybody

1045
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: else out. Now we regularly pull two hundred to three

1046
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: hundred people, and that's over the span of you know,

1047
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: five or six years, So it can be done, but

1048
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: it's a slow process. And in a lot of this

1049
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: is hand to hand combat on the ground level, and

1050
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean hand to hand combats, you know, maybe more

1051
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: in the spiritual nature that I need to convince my

1052
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: fellow Christians, you sitting out is causing us to lose.

1053
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 2: And you know, I understand how the story ends. You know,

1054
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 2: in the end, God wins, but that does not give

1055
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 2: you a pass to not pick up your cross and

1056
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: follow him. You have an obligation to pick up your

1057
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: cross and be a part of this and to advance

1058
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: His kingdom until he comes back. You don't get to

1059
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 2: sit out.

1060
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: You know, Jewish people just because I was born Jewish,

1061
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: so I know the philosophy. Jewish people believe that the

1062
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: Messiah comes back when the people are ready. And in

1063
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: other words, you know, all these people that are sitting out,

1064
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: if everybody was Jewish and all these people weren't participating,

1065
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: the Messiah's not coming Messiah. In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah

1066
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: comes back when the people are ready, they've prepared themselves,

1067
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: they bring him into where their own lives. You know,

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Speaker 1: we have all these images about how this is supposed

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Speaker 1: to work. You know, I want Christ to function in

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Speaker 1: my life so that when i'd meet you and I

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Speaker 1: deal with you, I'm spreading the Kingdom. That's what we're

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Speaker 1: doing here, I mean. And it's really interesting because you know,

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Speaker 1: you look like a guy who's a pretty grounded, hard

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Speaker 1: driving I mean, you have a material side to you

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Speaker 1: that you don't ever have to talk about spiritual issues.

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Speaker 1: I can see it in your energy. But your faith

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Speaker 1: is what's driving you. And we're at this point too.

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Speaker 1: We're a little bit afraid about this as Republicans because

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Speaker 1: there's this growing Christian nationalism that's coming up through the party.

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Speaker 1: And we also have to understand what happens to Christians

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Speaker 1: when Communists get control of a country because the history

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Speaker 1: is there, and you go back and look at the

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Speaker 1: Russian history and there was a slaughter of Christians by

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Speaker 1: the Bolsheviks China. Same thing. I mean, when communists get control,

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Speaker 1: when they get their nose under the tent like it

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Speaker 1: is right now, like Bondami in New York. The communist

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Speaker 1: knows is under the tent of the Republic of the

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Speaker 1: United States of America. If we don't prevent this from advancing,

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Speaker 1: they will kill us. If history is a guy. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree with that statement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I fully agree with it that And one of

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Speaker 2: my aggravations in public education is that they don't teach

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Speaker 2: a lot of that when I was coming up, which

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Speaker 2: is getting to be quite some time ago now, I

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Speaker 2: think it's only gotten worse since then. But we learned

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Speaker 2: Hitler bad, and that's about all we learned about World

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Speaker 2: War Two. We really learned nothing about the formation of

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Speaker 2: the Soviet Union, you know, the October Revolution of nineteen

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Speaker 2: at seventeen, where the Communists took over. I've been fortunate

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Speaker 2: in my adulthood to have the chance to read some

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Speaker 2: Russian authors from the time you know, and from the

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Speaker 2: Tzar's time before that. Todetski and souls Innitsen, and you

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Speaker 2: read about what continues to happen every time we allow

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Speaker 2: a collectivist mentality that you know, the communists that personify

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Speaker 2: every time we allow that to get a foothold, You're

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Speaker 2: spot on. That's exactly what happens. They use the useful

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Speaker 2: idiots to Stalin called them, and a lot of times

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Speaker 2: I would say on our side in modernity here some

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Speaker 2: of the bleeding heart liberal Christians I would classify as

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Speaker 2: useful idiots because they're missing half the message. They're hearing

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Speaker 2: all the empathy, and they're missing all the structure, and

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Speaker 2: they're missing all of the justice in it. And communists

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Speaker 2: prey upon that, they pray upon that. Now you look

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Speaker 2: at you know, foreign policy you're talking about with some

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Speaker 2: of the what Lutheran Social Services or Catholic Global Initiatives

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Speaker 2: has done with the refugee resettlement program. They're leaning on

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Speaker 2: this toxic empathy so hard that they're missing the rest

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Speaker 2: of the message, and we're importing people that may directly

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Speaker 2: conflict with what our values are.

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Speaker 1: Toxic empathy. I want to get a clip out of this.

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Speaker 1: This is a formation of language I've not heard before

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Speaker 1: and it's very interesting. Could you please tireget dot com

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Speaker 1: where convenience meets the road. Why make buying tires complicated

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Speaker 1: with tireget dot com. It's simple. Tireget dot com, one site,

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Speaker 1: a few clicks, and the tires of your choice are

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Speaker 1: shipped to an installer right by your house. From even

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Speaker 1: a spiritual frame, talk a little bit about how you

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Speaker 1: view this, because we got the big problem down here

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota with Lupin Social services, Catholic charities, these resettlement programs. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this smiley thing is all over the country as everyday news,

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Speaker 1: but toxic empathy from a religious frame, what exactly do

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Speaker 1: you mean when you use those two words together like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in full disclosure, that term I didn't coin.

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Speaker 2: I believe Alibs the Conservative podcast or coin that term.

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Speaker 2: But the first time I heard it, it hit me

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Speaker 2: immediately like it didn't need explanation further. But you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously I wanted to listen to her take on it.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a nefarious element at these organizations that

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Speaker 2: you and I are talking about at the top level.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that it's coming from a place of

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Speaker 2: Christian servitude to resettle all of these people. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you move down a couple of planks and you get

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Speaker 2: into the actual foot soldiers, you know, the boots on

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Speaker 2: the ground of people doing it. I think that the

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Speaker 2: belief is genuine, that they believe that they are, in

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Speaker 2: some small parts, serving the Great Commission. They're plucking people

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Speaker 2: out of abject misery, and they're bringing them here where

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Speaker 2: they can have a new life and better opportunities, and

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Speaker 2: hopefully the whole point of that is then to teach

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Speaker 2: them the Gospel and to convert them to Christianity. You

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Speaker 2: talked about Jewish eschatology and when the Messiah would return.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's many different eschatologies on the Christian side,

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Speaker 2: and that's why there's so many denominations. So I don't

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Speaker 2: want to pretend to understand them all and dive into them.

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Speaker 2: But one of the big driving forces is this theory

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Speaker 2: of the Great Commission that by the time we as

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Speaker 2: people have converted enough people to Christianity, that Christianity dominates

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Speaker 2: the globes and that's the time of the return of

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Speaker 2: Christ Again. That's only one of many eschatologies, but a

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Speaker 2: lot of these organizations that are importing people firmly believe

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Speaker 2: in that, or at least their foot soldiers firmly believe

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Speaker 2: in that. The people that run the organizations, going back

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Speaker 2: to my point about feeling, you know, in my personal

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Speaker 2: opinion that there's a farious intent. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: public funds to be plucked from running these kind of organizations,

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Speaker 2: and there's not a lot of responsibility after the people

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Speaker 2: are brought in. They're brought in, they're introduced to every

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Speaker 2: social government program at the county level, the state level,

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Speaker 2: the national level, everything that they can get them on,

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Speaker 2: and they get a piece that for helping distribute these

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Speaker 2: collective funds. So there's a real profit incentive to run

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Speaker 2: a scam like this. Now. It used to be if

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Speaker 2: you were helping somebody resettle to America that you had

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Speaker 2: to sponsor them, Like you brought these people into your home,

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Speaker 2: you were financially responsible for them. If they broke the law,

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Speaker 2: you were legally responsible for them. And that made for

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Speaker 2: a very different immigration system than what we have now.

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Speaker 2: So I know that's a broad way of trying to

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Speaker 2: answer that point. But the put soldiers in these movements,

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Speaker 2: I think, believe so much in the empathy part, and

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Speaker 2: it's coming from a good place.

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Speaker 1: Of the Great Commission.

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Speaker 2: Right, But then they're missing the entire responsibility point on

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Speaker 2: the back. They're not taking these people into their homes

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Speaker 2: and being financially responsible for them. They're dumping them on

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Speaker 2: the public dole. And it's gutting society because anytime you

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Speaker 2: have a big collective pool of money, it belongs to everybody,

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Speaker 2: and it belongs to nobody, so you have nobody really

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Speaker 2: watching it. Because if your money, you're gonna guard it

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Speaker 2: a lot more. You're gonna be more judicious with how

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Speaker 2: it's spent. If it's your neighbor's money, and you know

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Speaker 2: your neighbor, you'll try and be a little less judicious

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Speaker 2: maybe than your own, you'll still be judicious with it.

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Speaker 2: If it's this amorphous blob of collective funds, you have

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Speaker 2: no incentive to guard it as long as you're getting

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Speaker 2: your cut. And that's why democracies fail. People find out

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Speaker 2: that they can rob the public largesse, and they do.

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Speaker 1: And it brings up the whole. I mean, we can't

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Speaker 1: go we don't have the time to go down this road.

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Speaker 1: But the dispense, the dispense is dispensizationless or I don't

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Speaker 1: even know how to say, though, that is a different

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Speaker 1: view of eschatology than this Great Commission, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I mean felt.

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Speaker 1: Well you filled in a piece for me, because this

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Speaker 1: Great Commission thing is quite similar to the Jewish idea

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Speaker 1: that if we get enough Christians, different than what the

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Speaker 1: Crown did. The Crown said, we just need to get

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Speaker 1: Israel going again. You know. So these things are it's

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting too, and we don't have the time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you come back. This is a very interesting area

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Speaker 1: of research for me to try to understand. Like you

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Speaker 1: say it, it's a little bit over my head, but

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Speaker 1: it's important that we understand these things because these religious

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Speaker 1: ideas are running our politics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean what you just said was the foot soldiers

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Speaker 1: and all these congregations in these charity organizations believe that

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Speaker 1: their empathy is bringing forth the return of Christ. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing you say.

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Speaker 2: Yes, those much better said than my long wounded way

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Speaker 2: of saying it. But exting that's toxic.

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Speaker 1: It's toxic because the public purse is being instead of them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I want Christ to come back, let's all pay for it,

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Speaker 1: instead of I'm doing something personally to convert this family

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Speaker 1: who was living in my home who I have taken

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Speaker 1: the responsibility for. Yes, And I didn't know that that was.

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Speaker 1: How long ago was that the immigration method? Not that

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Speaker 1: long ago?

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Speaker 2: Probably now that maybe one hundred years ago, early nineteen hundreds,

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Speaker 2: when we had the last massive wave of immigration, which

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Speaker 2: again was mostly European, but it was still at such

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Speaker 2: a level and at such a velocity that it caused

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Speaker 2: a law of societal disrupt for a while. But at

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Speaker 2: least we had this idea of if you are sponsoring

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Speaker 2: people to bring them in, you had the responsibility for them.

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Speaker 1: It was family based. That's why we have chain migration.

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Speaker 1: It was family orientated. I know that from my own

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Speaker 1: family because I know how my grandparents got here. They

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Speaker 1: got here through family.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: People took responsibility for him. They were never on the

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Speaker 1: public purse. Ever, nobody didn't happen they had massive waves

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Speaker 1: of immigration. Wow. Now there's two areas of great research

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Speaker 1: for a coming podcast. What was immigration like one hundred

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Speaker 1: years ago? And to deal farther into these different eschatologies

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Speaker 1: because it's my belief, it's not my belief. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's fairly obvious that we have this highly

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Speaker 1: technological digital age society with weapons of mass destruction that

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Speaker 1: could end all life on the planet in two hours.

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Speaker 1: But what's driving the thing forward is texts that were

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Speaker 1: put together by the Catholic Church seventeen hundred years ago.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a crazy thing when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: that all these people have PhDs, they don't believe in God,

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Speaker 1: most of them, yet the politics that they're pursuing is

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Speaker 1: eschatological at base. It's terrifying, actually I think about it.

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Speaker 1: It's rather terrifying.

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Speaker 2: I think on the religious right one of the big

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Speaker 2: divides right now. You can see in some of your

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Speaker 2: your major stars out there, but it really centers around Israel,

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Speaker 2: or at least that's the way it's being sold. But

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Speaker 2: really it's about different eschatologies within the Christian faith. And

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Speaker 2: so when you said, you know, we have all this

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Speaker 2: access to mass destruction and our biases are based on

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Speaker 2: texts the Catholic Church assembled seventeen hundred years ago, I

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Speaker 2: totally agree with that. We have people that interpret their

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Speaker 2: eschatology differently and they're making major foreign policy decisions. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: ultimately none of us have all the answers. But if

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Speaker 2: we're sitting on the sidelines allowing people that are very

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Speaker 2: passionate to come up with the answers that may lead

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Speaker 2: to nuclear annihilation. That this is part of the You

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Speaker 2: aren't allowed to not participate. You have to be involved

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Speaker 2: because people that misunderstand their faith have become every bit

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Speaker 2: the tyrants that people who are lacking in faith altogether are,

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Speaker 2: So there needs to be a bulwark against both.

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Speaker 1: There's another clip for you there, mister Tanner. Matthew is

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Speaker 1: full of one liners. We like this, Matthew. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: send you a bunch of sixty second clips that you

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Speaker 1: can use in North Dakota to build your political following.

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Speaker 1: You know what we're doing here for everybody that how

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Speaker 1: this all happened. I got to tell a story before

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Speaker 1: I get to this what we're doing, because we're doing

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Speaker 1: something new. This is a link now between Minnesota and

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Speaker 1: North Dakota that didn't exist until I was called by

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Speaker 1: Dianne who invited Royce to come up to the North

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Speaker 1: Dakota Republican Party convention, which he's super looking forward to.

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Speaker 1: You had made the comment I want to comment on

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Speaker 1: this because we bear this in common. Because I get

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Speaker 1: the sense that you're probably quite faithful. You just don't

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Speaker 1: see that. I mean, you're not wearing it on your sleeve.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about it because I brought it up. Sure,

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Speaker 1: had I not brought it up, it wouldn't have come up.

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Speaker 1: I think you know you're you're you're sensitive about that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm very.

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Speaker 2: Bold about think it would have come up. I'm not

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Speaker 2: very good at keeping that me.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I beat you to the punch. Then, okay, but

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you a story about social media

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01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: because I saw you following me on X and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to thank you for that and for everybody else.

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Speaker 1: That's that prof Pen podcast. That's a digital army. We've

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Speaker 1: actually built a digital army down here in Minnesota, and

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: it's getting bigger all the time. When we have an

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: X space, which is every Thursday, which was started by

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01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: two citizens, lieutenant they go by Noum de guare Lieutenanaldo

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: and Minnesota Lady. They were just civilians. They just started

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01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: because they were, you know, pissed off. We had twelve

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Speaker 1: thousand people in there, and this thing's been going just

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: a few months. We could have one hundred hundred fift

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: thousand people in there if we keep working at it

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01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: and working at this is what we're trying to get,

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Speaker 1: citizen engagement. And my point is I was religiously opposed

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Speaker 1: to social media, like, if I have time, I got

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01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: something better to do than this, and I don't need

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01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: to vent. And I you know, I'm past the age

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01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: of psychology. You know, if I went to a psychologist now,

1316
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: they'd throw me out. They would say I'm not amenable

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01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: to treatment. But my point is this. I was sitting

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Speaker 1: in a car with Royce White, You're soon to be

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01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: guest speaker, in December twenty twenty two, and he looked

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01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: at me and said, man, do you know what we

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01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: could do with a podcast studio? And my answer was,

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01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: what's a podcast? So that's only that's twenty two, man,

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Speaker 1: it's only twenty six. So I mean, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: long in the tooth. I had no social media, and

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Speaker 1: now I'm affecting thousands and thousands of people. Not because

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: I'm in it for the fame or the power. I'm

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Speaker 1: in it because I want to maintain the republic and

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Speaker 1: my freedom to worship as I choose. And I know

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Speaker 1: that if communists get control of this country, I will

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Speaker 1: not be allowed to worship at the least at the

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Speaker 1: most that just take me out and shoot me. And

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Speaker 1: I know that because it happened to people in my

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Speaker 1: own family. I mean, the reason why I get so

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01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,440
Speaker 1: motivated is my family's only been here for two generations.

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Speaker 1: The people upstream, they all died. I mean I know

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Speaker 1: how they died. They didn't die pretty, they didn't die

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Speaker 1: in their beds. They were dragged out of their homes

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Speaker 1: and shot. You know. I have stories like one relative

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Speaker 1: married two year old daughter. Not Nazis, the local people,

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: because you know, it went and this is another thing

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01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: which you know, and I say it over and over again,

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01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 1: Nazis were not right wing. They were left wing.

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Speaker 2: Yet national socialists.

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Speaker 1: They were. They were just to the right of the communists,

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01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: but they were socialists, so it's the same thing. But

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: they pulled this guy out of his house with his

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01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: wife and his young daughter, shot the woman. The wife

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01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 1: right in front of him, killed her, looked at him

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01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: and said, we don't waste bullets on children. And they

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01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: just smashed her against a tree and killed her. And

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: then they shot him and left him for dead, and

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Speaker 1: he survived. He actually lived in the forest till the

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Speaker 1: end of the war and immigrated and came to the

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Speaker 1: West afterwards. I mean, this is what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: I mean, right now in Syria, that new government is

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01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: killing Christians all over Syria. I mean, this is something

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01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: we got to get our heads wrapped around. That we're

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01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: in World War through three. And if you happen to

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Speaker 1: be listening to this in your Christian and you're just

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01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: scrolling by, your ass is on the line. If that's

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: all you take out of this, get that that your

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: passivity is why we have the problems we have now.

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Speaker 1: If we had a moral and just government, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have these problems. That's another one liner. If men were angels,

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't need this.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean that in and of itself is a whole

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Speaker 1: podcast just talking about that. And we've got a minister

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Speaker 1: we bring on down here regularly from one of the

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Speaker 1: largest churches in America just to talk about these issues.

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Speaker 1: We're reaching out to the Christian community. I'm widely Pillory

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota because I was reaching out to the Somali

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Speaker 1: community because, believe it or not, for you racists, there's

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Speaker 1: actually some Somalies that want to become Americans. And sometimes

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01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: you use a broadsword, but when it's people's lives. It's

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01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: nice to use a scalpel and remove the cancerous elements

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Speaker 1: and leave the healthy tissue to grow. We have Somalis

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Speaker 1: in this state that are Republicans. They've embraced Republicanism. Now

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Speaker 1: people are going to say to me that it's you know,

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01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,719
Speaker 1: they're lying, they're using the Muslim code to lie to me. Well,

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01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: get to know, you have to you know, each person

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01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: is unique, and you know, we just can't be expelling

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Speaker 1: people that have citizenship without a real careful review of

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Speaker 1: who they are. On the other hand, because you know

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Speaker 1: so much about this, I think you might have this

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Speaker 1: problem going on in North Dakota. Is I kind of

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Speaker 1: got the sense that do you have a resettlement issue

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Speaker 1: going on in Fargo?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do there. You go very comparable to what's

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Speaker 2: going on in Minnesota. And that's usually the case with

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Speaker 2: our state is because we're so much less populous. Whatever

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01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 2: happens in Minnesota is usually prologued for US five to

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01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: ten years behind. But we follow what's going on there

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Speaker 2: in a lot of facets. That's one of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just want to say the issue here is citizenship.

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Speaker 1: That's a cornerstone of the Republican of the Republic is

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01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,799
Speaker 1: being an American citizen. So I'm going to say this again.

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Speaker 1: If someone's here, I don't care if their Somali, Israeli, Swedish,

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Speaker 1: or Chinese. If you're Chinese and you lied to get

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Speaker 1: into this country and obtain your citizenship, you need to go.

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01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: We are a country that only functions the way it

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: does because of rule of law, and when it's undermined

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01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:27,520
Speaker 1: to this degree that people lose confidence in that institution,

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01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: were one hair away from chaos. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I was taught Americana and patriotism when I was

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01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: a young man, the big term d jour that was

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01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: used all the time was the melting pot. It was

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01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 2: the idea that America's made up of all of these

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01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: different cultures that come together and then we become a new,

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01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 2: unique American culture. And we've lost that somewhere along the

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Speaker 2: lines and adopted this idea of multiculturalism. But multiculturalism is

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Speaker 2: balkanization of a country. And I know those are big words,

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01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: but they're meaningful words, and that's why I used them.

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01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: So to be balkanized is to have all of these

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 2: different cultures come in, but then to maintain those unique

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01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: cultures with no collective identity in the new American identity,

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01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 2: and that causes the chaos you're talking about because now

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Speaker 2: it's you know, history repeats and it also rhymes. It's

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01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: a line that Steve Days likes to say, and I

1420
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 2: like that one we look back at like to follow

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01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: the Roman Empire. It was the same thing. They went

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Speaker 2: from being a melting pot for their time into being

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Speaker 2: a balkanized in nation. And then when the Visigoths came

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Speaker 2: to the gate, h you know, there was nobody really

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01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: to prevent them from coming in because a lot of

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01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: people inside the Roman gates, you know, they're like, hey,

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01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 2: that's cousin Stu over there. We know him, and we

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01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 2: have no Roman identity anymore because they they fell to

1429
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 2: the same thing that we're falling for now. America was

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01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 2: unique and beautiful and powerful because we took the best

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Speaker 2: st off everywhere. But then we all had a collective

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01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 2: American identity and we think that we can do everything

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Speaker 2: except for that last part and still function as a

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Speaker 2: functioning society. We can't. Yeah, Bolkanized society is chaos.

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Speaker 1: And I default to because you know, we have all

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01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: these different people in the country. You know, my audience knows.

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01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: You know, I had a conversion experience, but I'm an

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01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: unborn Jewish. There's six million Jews in the country. Most

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01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 1: of them are Zionists by far, I mean, does that

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01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: make them a fifth column? No, that's politics. We've got to,

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01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: as American citizens, clarify our foreign policy. In my opinion,

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01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: I think President Trump is doing that. I don't think

1443
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: the movement really understands it or likes it, but he's

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01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: redefining what America first means within the context of World

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01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: War III. But we have all these different groups in

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01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: the country now. They're not going to be expelled if

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01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: they're American citizens here legally they're not. But the pressure

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01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: that I felt as a young man when my grandmother

1449
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: told me to become an American. She said, hey, dude.

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01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: She didn't call me a dude, she said, my son,

1451
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: you know you're in America. Be an American. And you

1452
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: know that broke me from my tradition because I grew

1453
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: up around very religious people and I embraced being an American.

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01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: And as I've gotten older and older, it's become more

1455
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 1: and more important to me because it's a beautiful philosophy.

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01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: It is probably nay. I say this not to piss

1457
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: anybody off. It may be the ultimate human organizing governance

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01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: principles ever invented in the history of the world. And

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01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: it's right there in our phunding documents. And when I

1460
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: read something like my rights are granted by a creator,

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01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: this is unique amongst all governments. So we have this

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01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: chance now our generation, to beeople who are alive right

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01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: now what you're doing in North Dakota. We have a

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01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 1: chance to revivify being an American and redefine what being

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01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: an American is and take all of the struggle, all

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01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: of the fights, as you said, that have existed for

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01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty nine years, and take it to

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01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: the next level and reconfigure ourselves in a way that

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01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: we're viable for another two hundred and fifty years. And

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01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: if we don't do that, guess what the test is

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: over we failed. I mean, if we succeed in doing this,

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01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 1: everybody who's listening, it's not like the problems go away,

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01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: because we're not angels. But if we don't pass this test,

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01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: this will be the last one for this country. So

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01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 1: that's what brought me into politics. Locally. I've been involved

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01:27:54,800 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 1: internationally for twenty years, but I realized the importance of

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01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: the local politics. And that's why I had John Matthew,

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01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,839
Speaker 1: because you just threw your hat in the ring eighteen

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01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: days before a convention, and on the strength of the

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01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: personal relationships that you had developed in the North Dakota

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01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: Republican Party over the previous five years, and probably an

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01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: ass kicking speech that you gave at the convention and

1483
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 1: all the people that said, man, he's better than these

1484
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: other dudes, and then the Trump Movement and the Mega

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01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: Movement and all the different things that came together. You

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01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: now are a national committeeman and the chairman of your

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Speaker 1: party in five years. So anybody who's listening, who's going

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Speaker 1: to Minnesota speaks, or is coming to the weekly the

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01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 1: monthly meetings, or is following the podcast. Matthew Simon, this

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01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 1: man you're looking at is the template of why I'm

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01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,959
Speaker 1: doing politics. And if I feel a little bit emotional

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01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: about it, there aren't that many of us yet We're

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01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: still not even close to enough, is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know what the saturation point would look

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01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 2: like over a long ways from it. We need every

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Speaker 2: soldier on the Field.

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Speaker 1: Well, Matthew, I'm going to tell you Free people Radio

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01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: generates a lot of content. I'm going to get your

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Speaker 1: I mean, did I put you on the News that

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Speaker 1: Matters mailing list? Are you on there yet?

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01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 2: No, but I'd be happy to be there.

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01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to I mean, every week we put out

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01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: what's the important news of the week so that you

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01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: can redistribute it to your We're doing a lot of

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01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: content work here. We're not trying to own it. We're

1506
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: just trying to do work and share it with you

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01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 1: to help you with what you're doing. We now have

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01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: a connection between Minnesota and North Dakota that didn't exist.

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01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: And I want to thank Deanne. Thank you Dean for

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01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: calling me. And that was a funny story because she

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01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,799
Speaker 1: got my telephone number from ak Kamara. And I don't

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01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 1: answer calls if they're not identified because I'm a businessman,

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01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 1: and that's just the way it goes when you get

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01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: to be my age, because I have so much communication

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01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: going on. And for some reason that call came in

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01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: and I answered it. And that was a miracle because

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01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: when I say I don't answer calls that I don't

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01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: know who it is, that's fundamental to how I run

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01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 1: my life. It was. It was incredible. And now I've

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01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: met you and I'm looking forward to meeting you personally

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01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 1: and staying in touch and communicating. And thank you for

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01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: taking the time to come in today. I'd like to

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01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: invite you back because we just scratched the surface of this.

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01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: You're going to find out that there's a whole world

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01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: of media that's going to see this. Dude, you can

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01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: have a national career. You're good at this.

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Speaker 2: Well. I appreciate that. I'm just trying to do the

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Speaker 2: most with the talents that God gave me. And whatever

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01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 2: that looks like, you know, it's too advances will I'm

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01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 2: on board here, I am God send me right now.

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Speaker 1: You're a master of your local neighborhood and for that

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Speaker 1: you've won, You won the vote. You're the man. We

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01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: want to do everything we can to support you. It

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01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: was great to meet you. Actually, it actually is emotional

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01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: for me to see somebody do. I tried to do

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01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: this in Minnesota and Alex Plakish cut me down. I

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: happen to live in his Senate district where he's held

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Speaker 1: court for many, many decades, and I'm a newcomer and

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01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: I found the importance of organizing. So let me just

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Speaker 1: end with this. If you happen to be in my

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01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 1: precinct W three PB in Congressional District three, please come

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01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: to the meeting tomorrow night, Wednesday at the Waisetta Central

1543
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Middle School, because politics starts by a peer to peer

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01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:51,719
Speaker 1: relationship with the person that lives right next door to you. Matthew,

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01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, God bless you. Looking forward to

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01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 1: coming up to the convention. Tanner. Let's get this up

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01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: to Matthew early enough that he can get it out

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01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,799
Speaker 1: to his constituents. All right, very nice to meet you, Matthew.

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01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, periphlege, God bless you, God bless

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01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: have a good night everybody.

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