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Speaker 1: A life's lesson from the TSA. It's one more thing.

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Speaker 2: And then we're gonna let people over arbitrary things they

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Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about the idea of reopening Alcatraz, which,

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Speaker 1: ah rock, I assume Katie, you grew up in the

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Speaker 3: No a million times?

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Speaker 1: Did they do? Used to do school trips and stuff? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I believe it was summer camp where we did the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went on one too. Yeah. The night tour

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Speaker 2: is awesome. Oh really, I've heard. Oh I wish i'd

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Speaker 2: done that.

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Speaker 1: Should have done that before they opened the back up.

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Speaker 2: Now you got to like do federal crimes to get

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Speaker 2: the night tour if you know it's not going to

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Speaker 2: turn into a prison again. More on that in a moment.

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Speaker 1: Get to that in a second. So my life lesson

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Speaker 1: from the TSA. I've thought about this quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: I know I mentioned this on their air in a

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Speaker 1: while back, but I see it almost every time I fly.

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Speaker 1: Now you just flew, didn't you, Katy? You observed this.

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Speaker 1: I saw very starkly, side by side two people handle

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Speaker 1: we're just waiting in line. Is a crowded day at security,

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Speaker 1: are two of them, and the one guy would say next, next, next, next,

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Speaker 1: we're ready for you now, accomplishing exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: One of them was furiously angry and making other people

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Speaker 1: angry person. And I've seen this happen many times now

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Speaker 1: at TSA. Now that I observe it, two people in line,

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Speaker 1: exactly the same message. The one is just as easy

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Speaker 1: as in fact, it's easier to go with the nice one,

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Speaker 1: and I've tried to employ that with my kids with

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Speaker 1: on a million levels, a better way to live your life, certainly, yeow.

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Speaker 1: And it's amazing how many people, and I've done this

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Speaker 1: myself plenty of times. We're just out of your frustration

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Speaker 1: or whatever. You're making your life worse, You're making other

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Speaker 1: people's lives worse. You're like probably shaving seconds off of

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, when I was a fairly young lad, had

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Speaker 2: my sainted mother go ahead, Gladys, why not?

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Speaker 1: Uh hey, glad, it's a little faster on the harm

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Speaker 1: to see I just did it.

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Speaker 2: Oh lord, no, see you're still a work in progress. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I was a fairly young lad when my I

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Speaker 2: It's it's your emotions. Don't let other people drive you

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Speaker 1: Your own feelings.

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Speaker 2: And you know I'm not Saint Francis of ASSISI over here,

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Speaker 2: The two great influences in my life, right to two examples,

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Speaker 2: Well right, Uh, terrible for his emotions, terrible for his body.

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Speaker 1: And unhappiness to other people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well right, and as the other person illustrated so clearly, uh,

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Speaker 3: I had a little situation at the airport coming back where,

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Speaker 1: Like, Hi, what the hell does any of this mean?

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Speaker 3: So they took our plane out of service, like ten

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Speaker 3: she followed it with we hope to be getting another plane,

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Speaker 3: but if you need answers right now, please go to

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Speaker 3: our website to check for further options. And we all

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Speaker 2: Oh you know that's so funny because I'm listening to

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Speaker 2: What if I if I if I, If I want answers,

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Speaker 3: If I want? If you need answers about your flight now,

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Speaker 3: And I swear to you, every single person that was

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Speaker 1: Bar well on the boy on the choosing two demeanors.

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Speaker 1: What works for me, when it does work, is if

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Speaker 1: I being selfish works for me, the most selfish, which

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Speaker 1: For me to be angry about it or to make

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Speaker 2: Well, and just a little gentle advice for the young folks.

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Speaker 2: As a guy who's engaged in many, many, many of

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Speaker 2: don't start with Dick.

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Speaker 1: I almost wish I could like travel around to TSA

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the next time I encounter one of those people,

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Speaker 2: That's what she chose right to the Dick card.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jack, you got to dress That's why people

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Speaker 2: Speaking of security and that sort of thing. I thought

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Speaker 4: Nobody's ever escaped from Alcatraz and just represented something uh

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Speaker 2: I have you ever launched into a rift and realized

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Speaker 1: I'll bet I can save it. It's a floor wax

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Trump talking about Alcatraz, it is funny that he

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Speaker 2: was essentially confessing that it It's just such a great

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Speaker 1: And it got out into the main into the bloodstream

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Speaker 2: Right. But I found this interesting from its beginning. The

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Speaker 2: cinematically minded public, a way of showing that the Feds

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Speaker 2: were getting tough. You perhaps remember that a constitutional amendment

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Speaker 2: rise of organized crime in the nineteen twenties. At the

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Speaker 1: So a federal prison was.

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Speaker 2: Needed that really looked the part, and Alcatraz stood ready

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Speaker 2: for its close up, towering out post on a craggy

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Speaker 1: Don't know that? Oh oh oh, it gets to that

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Speaker 2: Unlike other obsolete military out posts, Oh okay, there you

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Speaker 2: bustling city full of journalists ready to hype its story,

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Speaker 2: which premiered in nineteen thirty four. Among the new prisons

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Speaker 2: first inmates were Chicago mob boss al Capone, wasting away

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Speaker 2: from syphilis, and Alvin Carpus, whose name I don't know

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Speaker 2: with a K, the last person to be designated Public

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Speaker 2: Enemy number one FBI impresario Jay Edgar Hoover had personally

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Speaker 2: stage managed Carpus's arrest part of his image polishing project

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Speaker 2: to turn a pudgy DC paper pusher into America's toughest

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Speaker 2: g man. As Hoover was, you know, a well known

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Speaker 2: publicity hunt, but minus its celebrity occupants, Alcatraz was a

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Speaker 2: pretty average prison, no more fearsome than other maximum security

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Speaker 2: who's goals, and indeed some inmates preferred it to their

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Speaker 2: previous assignments because the cells were single occupancy, and one

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Speaker 2: long time inmate, Robert Stroud, was even allowed to keep Patsy's,

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Speaker 2: the famous bird Man of Alcatraz of the film. But

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Speaker 2: Alcatraz cost a fortune to operate. Harsh conditions, wind, surf,

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Speaker 2: and as the depression ended in the Bay Area boomed,

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Speaker 2: labor costs for guards and other staffers rose steeply. Virtually

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Speaker 2: everything the prisoners and their keepers needed had to be

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Speaker 2: ferried to the island on boats and barges, including nearly

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Speaker 2: five years after Alcatraz opened, the FEDS began hatching plans

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Speaker 2: to close it. Prisoners were just as secure at the

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Speaker 2: federal prison in Atlanta for one third the cost, a

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Speaker 2: study concluded. At the time, the Bureau of Prisons broke

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Speaker 2: and when it was completed in sixty three, Alcatraz was

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Speaker 2: relegated to its legend, which is absorbed daily by tourists

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Speaker 2: and on TV by impressionable old men. They say, hinting

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Speaker 2: the federal government already has a lock up four more,

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Speaker 2: far more secure, remote, and intimidating than an Alcatraz. Ever,

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Speaker 2: was the super max prison near Florence, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. There there are people claiming that Alcatraz played on

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Speaker 1: think Trump was flipping through and saw it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's true or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the rock was it Alcatraz or Alcatraz?

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. What's the one with Clint Eastwood in

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Speaker 1: it where he escapes escape from Alcatraz. That's a good

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Speaker 1: one with the Orangutang.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no one there are no great apes in

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Speaker 2: this one boxes an orangutang on a.

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Speaker 1: Gutras for his freedom.

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Speaker 2: That's right, as I recall, And everybody dances, even though

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Speaker 2: the mayor is a fundamentalist. And a great.

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Speaker 1: Movie the Rock Well, I guess that's it. Everybody dances.