Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on.
Speaker 4: These are our stories done done. Hello, Hi, hi, Hi.
Speaker 1: Welcome to That's Messed Up NSVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank, I'm Liza Trigger and every week we
Speaker 2: talk about an episode of SVU, the true crime it's
Speaker 2: based on, and then we have a guest from the episode,
Speaker 2: and as always, our guest is a list Baby.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: We know that this has been an extremely tough week.
Speaker 1: There's been some horrible events that have happened in the news,
Speaker 1: and we are going to touch on this later in
Speaker 1: the episode, so please stay tuned for our Sister Peg
Speaker 1: segment and we're gonna direct you guys towards some resources
Speaker 1: and have a little bit more of an in depth
Speaker 1: conversation about that. But for now, we kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: are gonna keep it light. Lisa, what's going on with you?
Speaker 2: Just?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just feel like periods suck.
Speaker 2: I'm at my parents' house and I'm in my childhood
Speaker 2: bedroom and like I revert back to my old behavior.
Speaker 3: I'm screaming at them for no reason. It's humiliating. I'm
Speaker 3: thirty three, but I just am like I went on
Speaker 3: a walk. I mean, okay.
Speaker 2: I told them, I'm like, I'm gonna go work out
Speaker 2: in my room. Each of them entered my room separately
Speaker 2: without knocking during that one hour.
Speaker 3: I asked for privacy. I can't imagine. I really can't.
Speaker 2: I went for a one and a half hour walk.
Speaker 2: I have some lines to learn. I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go for a walk. I got a call.
Speaker 3: They're like, where are you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just want I can't even have a
Speaker 2: fucking walk. And I know it's because they love me
Speaker 2: so much. I faced some with a friend and they're like,
Speaker 2: what's that shrine behind you? And I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just photos of me. They're obsessed with me. Like
Speaker 2: I should feel lucky to have parents that love me
Speaker 2: so much, but I just seem like I just I'm
Speaker 2: humiliated by I asked my therapist for strength to be
Speaker 2: kinder to them.
Speaker 3: But wait, does your childhood better not have a lock
Speaker 3: on it? It does? I'm not really, that's not my vibe.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't maybe just for the workouts going forward, well,
Speaker 1: because then they're gonna knock and be like, what's going
Speaker 1: on in there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, because when I'm alone working out, I'll just wear
Speaker 2: a bron underwear like I don't need more launch and
Speaker 2: piling up right. No, but they care about me so
Speaker 2: much because I've been in an Airbnb uniform US. So
Speaker 2: I came and I was washing the dishes and my
Speaker 2: mom goes, oh, you've had enough dishes.
Speaker 1: Let me do them. Like why am I mean to
Speaker 1: this woman? But it's a double edge sword with your parents.
Speaker 1: You know you love them, you hate them. There's a lot.
Speaker 2: It's just all the things I'm working on with my
Speaker 2: personality and therapy all come to light. Like I wake
Speaker 2: up to them yelling and I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: where I get my behavior from.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't just learn to yell at them. Oh
Speaker 3: my god. Last night one of our mutual friends.
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with and she was telling me
Speaker 1: about some friend of her family where like the son
Speaker 1: killed the mother, and I was like, if Rosie killed me,
Speaker 1: that would be devastating all the work I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, murder is the most extreme, but if any
Speaker 2: of your children treated you the way I treat my parents.
Speaker 2: I would slap them in the face every time I
Speaker 2: scream at them. I'm like, is Rosie gonna scream like this?
Speaker 3: And hope not Jesus, I hope. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna read.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read some book about how to talk
Speaker 1: so kids listen, and how to listen so kids talk.
Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see no, but murder is tough
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I just like, I've obviously.
Speaker 1: Heard of children murdering parents before, but not since I
Speaker 1: haven't thought about it since I've been a parent, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, it's never occurred to me that this
Speaker 1: little devil could go from throwing my jewelry around just
Speaker 1: stabbing me multiple times.
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean something to think about. Yeah, we're bed.
Speaker 2: Parenthood is not for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I know, you're you're, you're, you know,
Speaker 1: famously famously going to be child free, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine some tiny Lisa yelling at you
Speaker 1: the way you yell at your parents. It would just
Speaker 1: be at like an impasse. Every time I would throw.
Speaker 2: Her against the wall like it was the wwe I
Speaker 2: don't know what I would be in jail. For sure,
Speaker 2: I would there would be an SVU episode based.
Speaker 3: On me and my child. For sure.
Speaker 2: It would be upsetting news. Oh, I do have a
Speaker 2: surprise to tell you. It might be weird for the podcast,
Speaker 2: but I will do it. You know, I had to
Speaker 2: move last minute. Kara packed up my apartment. She's been
Speaker 2: I'm moving back to LA. She's very helpful to me.
Speaker 2: And so during this time, you've been babysitting.
Speaker 3: My dice and vacuum. And I want you to know
Speaker 3: that that is going to be yours forever. No, Lisa,
Speaker 3: I was gonna give it back.
Speaker 2: No, I'm gifting you the dice, and I've used it
Speaker 2: eight times in my life. You probably use it eight
Speaker 2: times a day.
Speaker 1: And what's ironic is that I'm giving you a rug
Speaker 1: and you've never had a rug. Really, So now you're
Speaker 1: gonna need a dyce in. But you know what, you
Speaker 1: can just borrow the dyce in. You don't have to
Speaker 1: vacuum that often. We are gonna live blocks away from
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: I think I'll just buy a little handheld dustbuster. I'm
Speaker 2: not a cleaner in my spirit, but I feel like
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know why I bought an eight
Speaker 2: hundred dollars vacuum.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I didn't even know it was that much.
Speaker 1: For Jesus, I do haven't mounted to the wall, though,
Speaker 1: so I am happy you're letting me keep it.
Speaker 2: Well, I was talking to one of our mutual friends
Speaker 2: yesterday and we were talking about the vacuum, and this
Speaker 2: is what was decided.
Speaker 1: I'm also babysitting some Obama chocolates for you, a frame fiction.
Speaker 3: You can't keep that, No, that stuff's all going back
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: The Obama portrait is in Rosie's closet, so she sees
Speaker 1: it every day.
Speaker 3: No, Rosie can.
Speaker 2: Keep the Obama portrait. But I definitely need my Obama
Speaker 2: chocolate cause.
Speaker 1: You can give it all, you can have it back.
Speaker 1: I didn't help you move out so that I could
Speaker 1: like gather things from you, But yeah, I felt like
Speaker 1: you probably use it a lot, the vacuum. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I do, And as says, I used it when
Speaker 1: my baby decided to just freaking what is it called
Speaker 1: when they when the when the football players spike a
Speaker 1: ball at.
Speaker 3: The end zone. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Whatever she touched down to fucking glass of wine and
Speaker 1: just shattered it into a thousand pieces.
Speaker 3: There wasn't really any wine.
Speaker 1: In it, but like the glass went everywhere, so I
Speaker 1: definitely needed the dice in. Then, geez, she loves throwing.
Speaker 1: She loves throwing. That's what everybody thinks. She's going to
Speaker 1: be athletic. I'm like, against all odds, me and her
Speaker 1: husband and my husband as her parents, she's.
Speaker 3: Apparently going to be athletic. I don't know.
Speaker 1: She loves fucking throwing stuff. But just to clarify, the
Speaker 1: Obama chocolate's what are they? They're like they're hers she
Speaker 1: kisses that are special edition.
Speaker 3: No, they're from the White House.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't know if anyone here watches VP, but
Speaker 2: you know she gave people presidential eminems a lot in
Speaker 2: that show and when she was mad at them, So
Speaker 2: these are presidential during the Obama years. And it was
Speaker 2: my old roommates who I do not speak to anymore.
Speaker 2: She moved out without cleaning up any of her stuff.
Speaker 3: I had to clean up everything, like handle it all.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I'm sorry if you leave with no
Speaker 2: notice and I have to find a roommate and clean
Speaker 2: out your room. I'm keeping your fucking Obama chocolates. I
Speaker 2: don't care, and that's that, and take me to court, bitch.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not giving them back to you.
Speaker 1: That would be such a good judge, Judy though, like
Speaker 1: two comedians that hate each other going after fucking package
Speaker 1: of Obama chocolates.
Speaker 3: I would die. That's Ratings gold.
Speaker 2: The thing that was funny while we lived together, people
Speaker 2: were like, so, how's it going fighting yet?
Speaker 3: And I was like, you're a misogynist. How dare you?
Speaker 3: Two fun women can get along? And then a year later.
Speaker 2: It was like, okay, I guess you guys were right.
Speaker 2: We cannot get along, Lisa.
Speaker 3: How old is this chocolate? I just googled it. Chocolate
Speaker 3: only lasts one year. Oh it's not for eating, it's not,
Speaker 3: thank god.
Speaker 1: No, now it's display chocolate, display only chocolate.
Speaker 2: No, there's no way meaning that this is forever. This
Speaker 2: my children, well not my children, I don't know you're children.
Speaker 3: Someone will get it. Your niece and nephew, you'll get
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 2: No, though Obama chocolates are because we have other friends
Speaker 2: that are holding some art for me and other things.
Speaker 2: But I do not trust their stone or asses with
Speaker 2: the Obama chocolates, like for they can only go to
Speaker 2: specific households that I know will not open the chocolates.
Speaker 3: Yes, because it is.
Speaker 2: Tempting, Like I smoked weed for a long time and
Speaker 2: sometimes you're.
Speaker 3: Like, eh, but no, you don't happen though Obama chocolate.
Speaker 3: You're like, how good of a president was Obama? Really?
Speaker 3: And then you just fucking eat all the chocolate.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm really glad to hear that your parents are
Speaker 1: soaking up every minute of Lisa time that they're going
Speaker 1: to get before you move.
Speaker 3: But I hope that you can work out in peace
Speaker 3: next time. Yeah. No, I'll be nicer to them.
Speaker 2: And we're a family that doesn't discuss any problems, so
Speaker 2: the next morning we pretend nothing happens.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of terrible in the long run, but
Speaker 3: in the short term it's perfect. Yeah. All right, But.
Speaker 1: Speaking of presidential chocolate, let's talk about today's episode.
Speaker 3: Sugar.
Speaker 1: All right, Sugar, Sugar, let's get into this episode.
Speaker 3: I was gonna sing the dent dun dun dun, dundun dum.
Speaker 3: Sorry I didn't even give you a chance. Okay, So
Speaker 3: this is season eleven, episode two.
Speaker 1: I always hate it when they go when they start
Speaker 1: an episode, or where in any episode where they go
Speaker 1: down into the subway tunnels, they just creep me out
Speaker 1: so much, like I just think of rats and all
Speaker 1: the like horrible stuff that's in the subway tunnels. So
Speaker 1: that's where this episode starts, down in the old like
Speaker 1: down in these subway tunnels, or maybe it's like it's
Speaker 1: tunnels off of Grand Central I think, which I think.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell you this, but our friend Lane last
Speaker 2: week pulled someone off the subway track.
Speaker 3: I knew. Our other friend told me insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to our friend Lane for being a
Speaker 1: hero fully pulled someone off the tracks.
Speaker 3: And then bought him pizza and then got him a
Speaker 3: lift home. So nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are having a rough time right now, probably
Speaker 1: especially in New York, and that was like, damn, what
Speaker 1: a day. I would say, saving a life is enough.
Speaker 1: Pizza is kind of a cherry on top. So we
Speaker 1: start down in these old tunnels that are either subway
Speaker 1: tunnels or tunnels off of Grand Central, which if you've
Speaker 1: lived in New York you know Grand Central is where
Speaker 1: the trains go out to the suburbs or two different
Speaker 1: even to different states, like you can take a train anywhere,
Speaker 1: and these two dorks are like treasure hunting down in
Speaker 1: the subway and they find what they think is their treasure,
Speaker 1: and it's actually a suitcase with a naked dead woman inside.
Speaker 1: So that's how we hit the ground running on this
Speaker 1: episode immediately with a horrific body finding and then they
Speaker 1: basically find out that she's twenty no id. The killer
Speaker 1: stript are naked, and Warner, I guess, is too busy
Speaker 1: with a suicide at the Chrysler building, so they're like
Speaker 1: have at it. I don't understand how the cops are
Speaker 1: supposed to just like do Warner's job for her. She
Speaker 1: seems pretty essential. But either way, obviously Benson is very
Speaker 1: astute realized notices her neck is bruised, looks like she
Speaker 1: was strangled, and these two nerds are fighting, and I
Speaker 1: just Benson has a funny line where she just goes,
Speaker 1: calm down, you're both pretty and I just like when
Speaker 1: Benson is sarcastic. So we get them to We get
Speaker 1: these two nerdy dudes to the precinct where they would
Speaker 1: they explain that they are geocashers.
Speaker 3: I think SVU has.
Speaker 1: Done more than one geo cashing plot line before I'd
Speaker 1: have to research it. But you know, I definitely think
Speaker 1: they're into this geocashing thing, which if you don't know,
Speaker 1: is like it's basically just like a treasure hunt using
Speaker 1: coordinates and maps and all kinds.
Speaker 3: Of clues and stuff.
Speaker 1: And Olivia like shows them the treasure and is like,
Speaker 1: tell me again, what's so exciting about pins and yo yo?
Speaker 1: It's like a bunch of dollar store garbage in this
Speaker 1: box and they're like, no, it's about the buzz of
Speaker 1: being FtF first to find. So these guys didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: you know, they're just like the dorks that find the body.
Speaker 1: They're like, tell us who left the box there? And
Speaker 1: they're like, ugh, the masturbatar is the name of the guy.
Speaker 3: But also what's shocking is they're not traumatized at all.
Speaker 2: They're still about the yo yo and yeah, you did
Speaker 2: just see a crumbled up dead body in a suitcase.
Speaker 3: Can you like shed half a tear? I don't know,
Speaker 3: I know, they're not traumatized at all.
Speaker 1: They're really obsessed with like being the first person to
Speaker 1: get the box of Yoyo's.
Speaker 3: It's really wild. So they see this video that.
Speaker 1: This quote unquote, this person whose pseudonym is Masturbatar has
Speaker 1: left a clue that's like, hey, and the voice is
Speaker 1: all coded and the face is all pixelated.
Speaker 3: That's like, here's where you find your clue. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But when you know who it is, the pixelation is
Speaker 2: still so obvious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's clearly her. Well, they trace it to this.
Speaker 1: They trace the Wi Fi to a discount store on
Speaker 1: Staten Island called the garb Barn. I mean more depressing
Speaker 1: words have never been spoken like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That just sounds like a terrible place.
Speaker 1: Not that I don't I love a discount store, I
Speaker 1: love a Marshall's, but just on Staten Island called the Garbbarne.
Speaker 3: Yikes.
Speaker 1: So they get there, they're talking to the manager. He's like, ah,
Speaker 1: the kids love the free Wi Fi. They're always on
Speaker 1: their face space or they're my book or whatever. It
Speaker 1: is classic Boomer humor. Elliott thinks it's somebody that works there.
Speaker 1: Thinks Masturbator is somebody who works there, and goes over
Speaker 1: the PA system and is like, can the masturbator come
Speaker 1: to register one? The masturbator to register one? And then
Speaker 1: all these nerds sort of start timidly moving towards Elliott
Speaker 1: and Olivia, and then Olivia takes the mic and goes,
Speaker 1: not a masturbator, the masturbator. So already I'm in love
Speaker 1: with this episode because it's goofy as hell, like there's
Speaker 1: just so much funny, silly shit going on like this.
Speaker 1: So then we see this girl employee looking really sketchy,
Speaker 1: and she's played by Abigail Savage from Orange is the
Speaker 1: New Black. She's also been on three episodes of SVU.
Speaker 1: This is her second one. Her first one is Control,
Speaker 1: the one where the guy gets his balls cut off
Speaker 1: after he's been abducting and marrying women, and the third
Speaker 1: is Manhattan Transfer, where she stars with a friend of
Speaker 1: the pod, Michael O'Keefe playing dirty Father Eugene. She plays
Speaker 1: sister Nina Kelly and has like has sister peg vibes.
Speaker 3: So she's a great returning SVU person.
Speaker 1: So she basically, like Lisa said, you basically realize, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: why did we think it was a boy, just because
Speaker 1: it's like it seems like.
Speaker 2: She had like a hot topic haircut, and it's like
Speaker 2: this is her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But honestly, it seems like the masturbator is something
Speaker 1: a boy would name themselves, not a girl. So I
Speaker 1: think that's like where the red airing was. But she's
Speaker 1: a girl and she's the masturbator and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that train almost ruined my shot in my video.
Speaker 1: And they're like, there was no training your video, and
Speaker 1: she's like, the second take there wasn't, but the first
Speaker 1: one there was. So of course, of course, her first
Speaker 1: take of her message to the geocashers shows a perfect
Speaker 1: shot of the one seventy three train coming through and
Speaker 1: a suitcase being thrown off the train, like she got
Speaker 1: exactly the moment.
Speaker 3: Very SVU will go with it because we have no choice.
Speaker 1: So Finn cross reference to credit cards, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: figures out that the girl on the train is Emily Keith.
Speaker 1: She lived in Stamford. I used to live in Stamford.
Speaker 1: It's about thirty five minutes forty minutes outside New York.
Speaker 1: It's in Connecticut, and she was going one way in
Speaker 1: a sleeping car to Tampa. Benson and Stabler then go
Speaker 1: visit her dad. They want to know where her dog
Speaker 1: Tank is. The stepmother gives us a little background, saying
Speaker 1: that Emily was kind of like a wild child drinking
Speaker 1: party and going out with the bad guys. And then
Speaker 1: the dad was so happy when she met Owen. And
Speaker 1: it turns out the step mom's like Owen Cassidy, an
Speaker 1: upscale kid who sales but who lost his job and
Speaker 1: is on quote unquote fun employment, and she lived with
Speaker 1: him on his sailboat at the seventy nine Tree Boat
Speaker 1: Basin right down the street.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, what anyone that lives on a house
Speaker 2: boat is not a good character.
Speaker 3: Is still a bad boy?
Speaker 2: Okay, No one on a houseboat is like a chill,
Speaker 2: upstanding citizen.
Speaker 3: Prove me wrong.
Speaker 1: Listen, two of my friends are a couple are sailing
Speaker 1: around the world right now, and I'm like, it looks
Speaker 1: amazing but also like crazy and terrifying at the same time.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like it's below deck where they have
Speaker 1: like a staff. It's just like the two of them
Speaker 1: on a boat get having to repaint and like plug
Speaker 1: up holes and do all this crazy shit on the boat.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, boating is a weird life. So
Speaker 1: they're at the seven Entry Boat Basin, which is dragged
Speaker 1: down the street from my old apartment in New York
Speaker 1: and had an amazing bar and restaurant that just closed,
Speaker 1: I believe, which is so sad.
Speaker 3: They go to question Owen. He runs immediately.
Speaker 1: He hops on this little dinghy and tries to get away,
Speaker 1: like the kind that it's inflatable, and he tries to
Speaker 1: point a flare gun at Stabler, Like what is wrong
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 2: Actually, you also forgot he was I've never really seen
Speaker 2: this on STVU, but he was smoking a doobie, like
Speaker 2: you kind of saw the John.
Speaker 3: Oh, he said that later, but I didn't see it.
Speaker 3: I didn't see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like legit was midpuff as they walked up.
Speaker 3: It was really exciting.
Speaker 1: Well, Lisa, you know you have you have tunnel vision
Speaker 1: for people, so you noticed it immediately.
Speaker 3: I didn't notice that. I saw him kind of coming
Speaker 3: out of his boat.
Speaker 1: And then they were like, he's like, you got to
Speaker 1: ask permission to come on someone's boat, and then they
Speaker 1: were like showed their badges. He books it, So then
Speaker 1: he's on this dinghy pointing a flare gun at Stabler,
Speaker 1: and Stabler shoots the boat and deflates it, which is
Speaker 1: like a hilarious way to bring in this.
Speaker 3: They're like, get over here.
Speaker 2: You idiot, Like, it's like, yeah, this is a very
Speaker 2: slapstick episode of it.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It is really like, I mean, it gets weird, it
Speaker 1: gets awful later, but right now it's nothing but laughs.
Speaker 1: Let's see Owen is an interrogation and he says he
Speaker 1: needs because he was Yeah. Yeah, he's like a hot, preppy,
Speaker 1: douchey kind of looking guy, bury boat shoes. He says
Speaker 1: he ran because he was smoking the joint, which Lisa
Speaker 1: already spot.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: He said he got scared. He knows nothing about Emily's murder,
Speaker 1: and then Benson shows up and is like, you don't
Speaker 1: know anything about her trip to Florida either, Why why
Speaker 1: don't you explain how you have a slip down there
Speaker 1: and you make cell phone calls from there every other week.
Speaker 3: So clearly this guy is like not being truthful.
Speaker 1: Then we get a call from Finn that tells telling
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler that they just found a dozen kilos
Speaker 1: of uncut cocaine on Owen's.
Speaker 3: Boat, so he is fucked.
Speaker 1: But nothing of Emily's was on board, no dog, no clothes,
Speaker 1: and then Finn goes just a tube of lipstick but
Speaker 1: looks like more of his shade.
Speaker 3: I don't get this joke.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's like, uh ah, he's gay,
Speaker 2: you know. I think it's one of those I think
Speaker 2: he wears lipstick.
Speaker 1: Lol, Yeah, one of those jokes that dub doesn't hold up.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, do you hear gurgling? That's the sound
Speaker 1: of you drowning right now. There's a lot of zingers
Speaker 1: in this episode too. Owen admits to dealing, but not
Speaker 1: to killing Emily. He said that he was sailing back
Speaker 1: from Tampa the day that she was killed. He said,
Speaker 1: Emily and him broke up months ago. She lived with
Speaker 1: him on the boat but got seasick, like just tied
Speaker 1: to the dock she couldn't hack it. And then he
Speaker 1: thinks she met someone else like her, and Tank took off.
Speaker 1: Then they're like, give us an address. He somehow knows
Speaker 1: her new address.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you break up with someone or you like,
Speaker 1: can I get a forwarding address?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: I know, it seems weird to me.
Speaker 1: But they now are at Emily's apartment where they find Tank.
Speaker 1: Thank god, poor little puppy. He's so hungry. He's like
Speaker 1: eating jam off the ground. She's got Tiffany boxes, and
Speaker 1: then Benson points out she's got a thousand dollars vase
Speaker 1: on a yard sale end table. Benson always knows how
Speaker 1: much stuff is, Like she knows designers.
Speaker 3: She knows what's hot and what's not. Like she'll just look.
Speaker 1: At like a pair of lingerie and be like, this
Speaker 1: is two thousand dollars lingerie. She just knows like everything.
Speaker 1: She's like she's a Manhattan girl. Yeah, it's like she's
Speaker 1: reading Vogue in her spare time. It's really funny to me,
Speaker 1: you know, because I think it always surprises like Stabler
Speaker 1: in them because they're like shoes or shoes, and she's like,
Speaker 1: these are manolos, Like she knows what's up all the time.
Speaker 1: Stabler finds these paystubs show her working at a nail salon,
Speaker 1: but back in January, so they're basically like someone's paying
Speaker 1: her bills. Maybe it's this new boyfriend. He logs onto
Speaker 1: her computer and immediately we get tastysugar dot com, which
Speaker 1: I have to point out we posted on our Instagram
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, a few months ago a list
Speaker 1: of all of the funny websites, and a bunch of
Speaker 1: people were like you're missing Tasty Sugar, And it's just
Speaker 1: because it's really hard to get a good screen grab
Speaker 1: of it because they're kind of blocking it. But trust us,
Speaker 1: we know that tastysugar dot com is a hilarious website.
Speaker 1: And also it's just funny that whenever they find these
Speaker 1: women on these escort sites, they're always like up at
Speaker 1: their houses, like they were just recently on their own
Speaker 1: escort profile. I guess always like they were never doing email.
Speaker 1: They were just always just recently on their Tasty Sugar profile.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's more realistic than I think.
Speaker 2: I just have so many tabs open. If the cops came,
Speaker 2: they'd be like, what's this bitch up to? I always
Speaker 2: have at least twenty tabs open.
Speaker 1: If you think they'd be like, Okay, she's either a
Speaker 1: Bravo con she might be at a Simpsons convention. We
Speaker 1: don't know where she is. She's shopping at Aso's. Okay,
Speaker 1: So she has a video up on her profile that
Speaker 1: just says, if you're into excitement, I'm into you.
Speaker 3: I love these lines. They're so funny.
Speaker 1: So obviously the cops go to Tasty Sugar to investigate
Speaker 1: her role there, and the first person we meet is Lizette,
Speaker 1: who is this statuesque supermodel woman who is like very beautiful,
Speaker 1: very hot.
Speaker 2: I would put her on like a top ten list
Speaker 2: of administrative assistance of SVU.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she would be number one for.
Speaker 1: Sure, of all the women who say you can't go
Speaker 1: in there, she's the hottest one we've seen.
Speaker 2: Yes, and her makeup was really good. I just I
Speaker 2: really liked everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they will we find out, Okay, So this
Speaker 1: She explains that Tasty Sugar is one of a dozen
Speaker 1: properties owned by Advance United. It's not a dating dating service.
Speaker 1: They prefer to call it social networking with a romantic twist.
Speaker 1: Benson says, I wish the precinct was like this, and
Speaker 1: Stabler goes munch on a scooter, I'll pass.
Speaker 3: Like, there's just so many funny.
Speaker 1: Because basically this place is like Google, what you imagine Google,
Speaker 1: or like a Silicon Valley places, like everybody's playing games
Speaker 1: and messing around, and everybody's really hot and young.
Speaker 2: But also what's wrong with Stabler? I would love to
Speaker 2: see munch on a scooter? Yeah, that would make my life.
Speaker 1: Come on, we see a cardboard cutout of Van Shepherd
Speaker 1: played by Eric McCormick of Will and Grace fame. He's
Speaker 1: like a CEO who believes work should be fun, says
Speaker 1: his secretary.
Speaker 2: Wait, this is very off topic, but did you see
Speaker 2: when Ben Affleck and his latest girlfriend Anna to Arms
Speaker 2: broke up. There's like a man throwing away a cardboard
Speaker 2: cutout of her into his track.
Speaker 1: Yes, and our friend Nicole Byer, who has a cardboard
Speaker 1: cut out of herself in her house, was like, you'll
Speaker 1: never throw away my cardboard cut out.
Speaker 3: You can't get rid of me twice but uh okay.
Speaker 1: So Lisette, the secretary, the administrative assistant is going through
Speaker 1: all their perks. They get free dry cleaning, catered meals,
Speaker 1: rent breaks on soho lots, like everyone in this place
Speaker 1: is hot.
Speaker 3: They're all playing pool.
Speaker 1: Olivia notices it immediately and is like, are they putting
Speaker 1: something in the water, And she goes, we have a
Speaker 1: generous health plan that includes cosmetic surgery, and like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that is a thing I've never heard of
Speaker 1: that I don't think that your health plan can like
Speaker 1: include cosmetic surgery.
Speaker 2: But maybe I know that my friend's health plan included
Speaker 2: getting your eggs frozen, and so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, reproductive stuff for sure, But I just don't think
Speaker 1: like you can get like your deviated septum fixed, But like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can just be like I want
Speaker 1: a nose job.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe if you work at a cosmetic surgery, sure.
Speaker 3: Yes, then you get services.
Speaker 1: But if you are a listener and your job has
Speaker 1: provided you with covery cosmetic surgery as part of your
Speaker 1: health plan.
Speaker 3: Do write in. I'd love to hear about it.
Speaker 2: Actually, when I was away tress back in the day,
Speaker 2: my other waitress friend worked at another place, and she
Speaker 2: said that the guy was such a creep.
Speaker 3: He would make everyone dye their hair.
Speaker 2: He would be like, I'll pay for your salon visits,
Speaker 2: and he got girls tits and stuff. But it's because
Speaker 2: he was a creep and would watch them on the
Speaker 2: you know, he was not It wasn't of the kindness
Speaker 2: of his heart. He was like a controlling psychopath who
Speaker 2: watched them all on cameras and wanted everyone to be
Speaker 2: a brunette with big tits.
Speaker 3: That's wild. So that's the it's not open anymore, I'll
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 2: It was a salt and pepper diner, Oh Oh, made
Speaker 2: famous from John Mulaney's joke off New Intown.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so in Chicago. But if you do need.
Speaker 1: To get a breast reduction, I have had too, they
Speaker 1: are covered, so make sure you do that well, right, because.
Speaker 3: A breast reduction is like back problems and like that.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how you could like justify like
Speaker 1: I need bigger tits like for my health. Okay, So
Speaker 1: now we meet Vance, who I just cannot unsee him
Speaker 1: as Will Truman on Will and Grace. It's like this
Speaker 1: whole episode is predicated on him being like this horn
Speaker 1: dog straight guy. And I know that the actor is
Speaker 1: straight in real life, but it's like when I see
Speaker 1: I'm so I just watch so much Will and Grace
Speaker 1: that I have a hard time not picturing him as
Speaker 1: just like a funny gay man. But he doesn't like
Speaker 1: Elliott's tie. AVU is a strictly a no tie zone.
Speaker 1: And then he says, what can I do you for?
Speaker 1: So like this guy is basically just like the biggest
Speaker 1: tool ever. They're like, we're here to talk to you
Speaker 1: about tasty sugar, and he's like, do I own that?
Speaker 3: Like such a tool like forgets what he owns.
Speaker 1: They basically are like we're going to need access to
Speaker 1: her accounts, her chats, the people that she talked to,
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I'm going to need a warrant, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to do this legally. I don't
Speaker 1: really like privately owned companies and the government intrusion happening.
Speaker 1: So they back at the precinct. The tech suddenly cannot
Speaker 1: find Emily on Tasty Sugar anywhere, so they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they must have taken it down, and she's like, wait,
Speaker 1: I can still find it. Ever heard of the way
Speaker 1: Back machine, which like we all use, I feel like
Speaker 1: all the time, And Olivia goes only the one that
Speaker 1: Sherman and mister Pody used, and Olivia is seriously dating
Speaker 1: herself because I.
Speaker 3: Had to google this.
Speaker 1: Sherman and Mister Peabody was a cartoon within the Rocky
Speaker 1: and Bullwinkle Show in the sixties, so it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think there were just like some old man writers
Speaker 1: in the room that were like, we'll give her this joke.
Speaker 1: People will get it, and I don't. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So they do find Emily's page in the way Back
Speaker 1: Machine and they see a link that's like, oh, if
Speaker 1: you're shy at the bottom we can double date with
Speaker 1: my bff Pamela, and Pamela's video is almost better than
Speaker 1: Emily's looking for Excitement video. She just says, I'm looking
Speaker 1: for rich experiences. Email me, what would you be? I'm
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I'm a lot of fun and
Speaker 1: I never shut up. Send me a message, what would
Speaker 1: yours be?
Speaker 2: I think I'd just be like, I'll fuck you for money.
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, I think I would also.
Speaker 3: Be playing the game at all now.
Speaker 2: I think I would say, like, I enjoy rooftops and
Speaker 2: seafood and sex.
Speaker 1: Great, we're gonna get ourselves up on a sugar babysit asap.
Speaker 3: Two c.
Speaker 1: Who does better a pregnant woman who talks a lot
Speaker 1: or a girl like seafood, towers and rooftops. Okay, we
Speaker 1: cut to this girl, Pamela on a date with Elliott.
Speaker 1: What we'd all love to be doing going on a
Speaker 1: fake date with Elliott's stabler. He's pouring champagne, he's being charming,
Speaker 1: and it's really it's funny because it's like he's acting.
Speaker 1: I guess that this is part of the act, that
Speaker 1: he's acting like he has no idea what she's talking about.
Speaker 1: Or what this site is about at all, Like he's
Speaker 1: She's like five k's my minimum and I always fly
Speaker 1: for his class and he's like your minimum, Like he
Speaker 1: doesn't understand anything, and she's like, that's okay. My last
Speaker 1: daddy was a virgin too, which I didn't like that sentence.
Speaker 3: She's like, I need a charge card.
Speaker 1: I can do weekends away, any weekends except for the
Speaker 1: last of the month. That's when my boyfriend's band plays,
Speaker 1: and I need to be there because I'm always there.
Speaker 3: And turns out her boyfriend chic.
Speaker 1: She has a fiance who's totally down with her being
Speaker 1: a sugar baby. So basically we cut to Elliott being like, Hey,
Speaker 1: i'd love if a friend came along. What about your
Speaker 1: friend Emily that I saw on the site with you?
Speaker 1: And she's like, it's gonna have to be a different
Speaker 1: BFF because Emily's an idiot.
Speaker 3: She fell in love with a guy.
Speaker 1: He had so much fun on the date we went
Speaker 1: on that he said he was going to buy tasty sugar.
Speaker 1: So here's our clue that this guy is Vance Shepherd.
Speaker 1: And then she whips out her phone and there are
Speaker 1: pictures of Emily and Vance cozy cozy when they were
Speaker 1: on a date a few months prior, because he's only
Speaker 1: owned Tasty Sugar for three months, so obviously he bought
Speaker 1: it because he had this magical date with Emily. So
Speaker 1: now they bring vance into interrogation. He says he's got
Speaker 1: nothing to hide, and they're like, well, it's clear that
Speaker 1: you do have something to hide, because you did not
Speaker 1: say anything about this when you were there, and you
Speaker 1: don't even see that upset right now talking about this
Speaker 1: murdered girl that you went on a date with.
Speaker 3: Where were you the night Emily was murdered.
Speaker 1: He said he was having dinner with Lisette, his assistant,
Speaker 1: and Lisette would never lie for me. He admits he
Speaker 1: lied about knowing Emily because he's the face of a
Speaker 1: private company and he has a seventeen year old daughter
Speaker 1: named Chantell. He references his ex wife Joyce, who has
Speaker 1: anger issues. He says he joined Tasty Sugar because he's
Speaker 1: busy and it's just easier to have an arrangement, and
Speaker 1: Tasty Sugar obviously is sort of similar to like Ashley Madison.
Speaker 3: Well, Ashley Madison is just if you want to cheat
Speaker 3: on your.
Speaker 1: Pregnant oh, just for cheating, But you can find sugar
Speaker 1: babies on there too, I think, jo, yeah, I knew
Speaker 1: a girl who wrote an article about being a sugar
Speaker 1: baby from Ashley Madison. But anyway, so they're talking to
Speaker 1: him and he's like, you don't understand. It was different
Speaker 1: with me and Emily. I took her to museums, I
Speaker 1: encourage her to go to college. I brought at her horizons.
Speaker 1: And then Elliott says to Olivia, how many times have
Speaker 1: we heard this song? And she's like, oh, the Ballad
Speaker 1: of the Loving John at least once a week. So
Speaker 1: again we're just NonStop with the one liners. This episode
Speaker 1: was like clearly written by comedians. So then he admits
Speaker 1: that he probably tried to help Emily Moore because he's
Speaker 1: screwed up so badly with his own daughter, which I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is very creepy, but he admits that
Speaker 1: he was like not the best dad, worked long hours,
Speaker 1: gone all the time because of his business and stuff.
Speaker 1: He said he loved Emily with all of his heart,
Speaker 1: and he broke up with her to test her to
Speaker 1: see if she loved him or just his bank account.
Speaker 1: That happened Wednesday afternoon, That's the night that she went missing,
Speaker 1: She cried, pleaded, then got pissed and said she was
Speaker 1: going to go hook up with her old boyfriend. He
Speaker 1: says she came to his place at three and was
Speaker 1: gone by three forty five.
Speaker 3: So they're really like, well, what was the rest of
Speaker 3: your day like?
Speaker 1: And he doesn't really like how pushy there being sweet
Speaker 1: calls his lawyer. Then we segued to kind of these
Speaker 1: sort of quick testimonials almost that remind me of early
Speaker 1: Sex in the City episodes, when people used to talk
Speaker 1: right to the camera. Oh I know remember, and so
Speaker 1: like people are like, oh, yeah, I trained him at
Speaker 1: five am.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we had a business meeting at nine.
Speaker 1: Like everyone's just talking, and then like the waitress that
Speaker 1: sat him for lunch knows exactly what time he left
Speaker 1: and when his crowd came in.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So he's got alibis all day up until two forty five.
Speaker 1: But then that would have given him time to still
Speaker 1: murder Emily, except he was supposed to have his daughter's
Speaker 1: soccer game at four o'clock. So now we go meet Chantelle,
Speaker 1: his daughter, who talks about her little soccer game and
Speaker 1: how it was they beat them, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised Stabler didn't like know the score and like
Speaker 1: the schedule of the soccer calendar at New York private schools,
Speaker 1: because that just seems like Stabler'd be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the monarchs, our lady of perpetual help, I know your school, Like.
Speaker 2: She reminds me of the oldest daughter and missus doubtfire
Speaker 2: this Chantelle, Oh yeah, that's the way I got from her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're like, was your dad at your soccer game?
Speaker 1: And she's like, yep, he was, And then her mom
Speaker 1: jumps in and is like, Chantelle, don't lie for that bastard.
Speaker 1: She was in tears because he never showed up at
Speaker 1: the game. I'm always the one that has to pick
Speaker 1: up the pieces when he disappoints her. And then Chantelle's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, because you're never a bitch and storms off.
Speaker 3: It's just always I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine them being married, Like this is crazy,
Speaker 2: it's a weird. There's no way, there's no way that
Speaker 2: he married this like Upper east Side.
Speaker 3: I just I don't see it.
Speaker 2: I don't see these people together and I don't see
Speaker 2: them giving birth to this child.
Speaker 3: Like nothing makes sense lineage wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it also seems like he's one
Speaker 1: of these guys that might have also, like really focused
Speaker 1: on his appearance and gotten things nipped and tucked. So
Speaker 1: he looks a little younger than he is, you know,
Speaker 1: because she looks like the mother of a seventeen year old.
Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't necessarily look like the father of
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old.
Speaker 2: So, and my dad always taught me, like, if someone's lying,
Speaker 2: like you don't need to shut up, talk about it later.
Speaker 2: You don't call people out while they're lying, if that's
Speaker 2: someone you care about. So, like, he lied once and
Speaker 2: I was like nah, And he goes, why, I'm your dad,
Speaker 2: Who the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: Like, let me lie? And I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: good point. So it's like, if your daughter's lying to
Speaker 3: the cops, let her have it. What are you getting involved?
Speaker 1: Well, because she hated him, Well, then we get into
Speaker 1: this because she hates him, yes, like she has a
Speaker 1: Really I'm.
Speaker 3: Just going to listen to the listeners.
Speaker 2: If your loved one is lying, you let them lie
Speaker 2: and then you talk about it later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bring it up later, cover them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Chantal calls her mama bitch and storms off,
Speaker 1: which seems like par for the course of New York
Speaker 1: City children treating their parents. I say that as a
Speaker 1: person with cousins who grew up in New York City.
Speaker 1: And Joyce basically gives her read on Dvance, which is
Speaker 1: that he's a child. He craves attention, he throws fits,
Speaker 1: he's like into youth culture, like he texts more than chantale.
Speaker 1: He never physically hurt them, but came close, and she said,
Speaker 1: mentally hurt me every moment of our marriage. He filed
Speaker 1: for divorce two days after I had a double misssectomy,
Speaker 1: she says. So you're thinking, Wow, what an asshole. But
Speaker 1: then we get back to Vance and he's like, she
Speaker 1: had a missectomy because she's a hypochondriac. She saw something
Speaker 1: about the gene which he's referring to the Broca gene,
Speaker 1: and got a preventative messectomy despite having not having the
Speaker 1: gene and having no family history. I mean, okay, that's
Speaker 1: her choice. Though she wants to get her boobs removed.
Speaker 1: I know people that have done that. It's like whatever,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's clearly a superficial guy, So that's not
Speaker 2: going to fly for me, right it's right if.
Speaker 3: They ever loved each other.
Speaker 1: But I don't really like him painting her as like crazy. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, breast cancer is scary. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are scared of it, and people will do stuff like
Speaker 1: getting prevented of mistectomy, So I don't think it's that crazy.
Speaker 1: Stabler points out that he never showed up at the game.
Speaker 1: Vance said he was upset about the breakup, so he
Speaker 1: stayed home, had a drink and met his assistant for
Speaker 1: like later, and Stabler's like basically just in his face
Speaker 1: being like, admit it, admitted you did this, and then
Speaker 1: in walks his classic defense attorney Dwight Stanich played by
Speaker 1: Robert Klein, a very famous, well known actor. He represented
Speaker 1: Carol Burnett in her episode. He also represented Jordan in
Speaker 1: the episode Flight. That's like an early Epstein episode that
Speaker 1: they did, so he he's definitely someone they bring in
Speaker 1: for like the big the heavy cases.
Speaker 2: My favorite rom com is How to Lose a Guy
Speaker 2: in Ten Days. He plays McConaughey's boss.
Speaker 3: He's been in so many damn things.
Speaker 2: I also did a show with him at Caroline's one time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, son was there.
Speaker 1: He comes in with a DVD footage of security coverage
Speaker 1: from the building and shows footage of Emily leaving Vance's
Speaker 1: building at exactly the same time that he said she
Speaker 1: was at three forty five in Walks. Sonya Paxton, this
Speaker 1: is my gray Lick.
Speaker 2: Like you hate gray Lick, then she's my number one hatred.
Speaker 1: I just like, I understand why and I trust me.
Speaker 1: At the beginning, I was like, she's too much. But
Speaker 1: I just love this actress. I think Christine Latti is
Speaker 1: such a talented actress. I've been watching her my whole life,
Speaker 1: and I think she's so good. And this is like
Speaker 1: the kind of part I would want to play, like
Speaker 1: I would want to play someone like this, Like she's
Speaker 1: just such a bit. She's always telling Stabler that he's
Speaker 1: an idiot and that he's wrong, like and he's not
Speaker 1: right all the time, and so sometimes she's right.
Speaker 3: So I but I think she has a journey.
Speaker 1: As I've said, as I've commented on our show's Instagram page,
Speaker 1: She's had a journey.
Speaker 3: She went into recovery. Listen. I just think we need
Speaker 3: to give Sonya Paxton a chance. I like her, and
Speaker 3: she did have a tragic end for you know. Yes.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert if you haven't watched, she does not she's
Speaker 1: not long for this world.
Speaker 3: So Sonia walks in.
Speaker 1: And she's like, say you just let him off the
Speaker 1: hook like bust is us on prostitution. And then we
Speaker 1: have like sort of an interesting conversation between Sonya and
Speaker 1: Olivia about sex work, where Olivia is kind of like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with what these girls do on Tasty Sugar,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like this is what people can
Speaker 1: Some people consider this work and like that's that's our
Speaker 1: belief right, that sex work is work, and Sonya is.
Speaker 3: Just like, it's prostitution.
Speaker 1: It's the oldest profession in the world, like you know,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I can't believe you don't agree with me,
Speaker 1: and Olivia's like why because all women have to agree
Speaker 1: on everything together. So it's an interesting little spat and
Speaker 1: it's about and it's interesting because the episode is from
Speaker 1: it's from two thousand and nine, so it's from like
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve years ago, and it's.
Speaker 3: Still a relevant conversation. You know. The show's always tapping
Speaker 3: on into these issues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is an episode this current season about camming
Speaker 2: exactly what there it's it is really upsetting to see
Speaker 2: how we never move forward even though we think we
Speaker 2: do sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but basically they're like, uh, let's go back to
Speaker 1: the secretary. She's got to know something. This secretary always
Speaker 1: knows something. And they're like, we already talked to the secretary.
Speaker 3: Do you think you can do a better job? And
Speaker 3: she's like watch me.
Speaker 1: So now they get into they're back at Tasty Sugar.
Speaker 1: Now Sonya's with them with Benson and Stabler. They're questioning
Speaker 1: was set and she's like, you would never lie for him, right.
Speaker 3: Even after he bought you that very impressive rack.
Speaker 1: And then she has this little monologue where she's like
Speaker 1: everything is my business, your boobs, your boss, your belligerent
Speaker 1: little attitude. You better start talking before I throw you
Speaker 1: in lock up where you're that cute little body of
Speaker 1: yours will get you all the attention you can handle,
Speaker 1: which is pretty fucked up, like to basically threaten someone
Speaker 1: with like your you will be assaulted when you go
Speaker 1: to jail, and I don't think you want.
Speaker 3: But also, did she have a bad attitude? She seems
Speaker 3: pretty nice, like I don't I know, but that's Sonya.
Speaker 3: This whole thing.
Speaker 1: Sonya's gonna find an attitude where there's no attitude like
Speaker 1: so she but she's They're really focusing on Lysette's chest
Speaker 1: a lot, which I would love to find out a
Speaker 1: little bit more about whether the actress was okay with that,
Speaker 1: because uh, you're they're like, your trial's coming up soon.
Speaker 1: By the way, your double the alibi here is pretty shaky.
Speaker 1: I mean there's like literally a comment every ten seconds
Speaker 1: about this woman's chest, which I guess her work paid for. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they're about to start combing through Grand Central security tapes
Speaker 1: when Lazette shows up at the precinct and says, I
Speaker 1: can't lie for Vance anymore. She hands them a bloody
Speaker 1: shirt and she goes that lady scared me, so say
Speaker 1: what you want about Sonia.
Speaker 3: But she fucking got her. Man, she did it.
Speaker 1: Vance got to her place, but later than he said
Speaker 1: he did. He was disheveled, freaked out. They barely made
Speaker 1: their reservation. He had told her he got bumped by
Speaker 1: a cab and knocked down on the crosswalk and then
Speaker 1: gave her this shirt with blood on it to get
Speaker 1: dry cleaned and told her not to tell anyone. And
Speaker 1: then he says, She says, I think my boss killed
Speaker 1: that girl. So now we've got They arrest him back
Speaker 1: at Google Tasty Sugar, where he's like about to make
Speaker 1: a basket to determine who gets to go home for
Speaker 1: the day. He's like such a tool and they show
Speaker 1: up midshot and they arrest him. So Vance is in
Speaker 1: interrogation and he admits that Emily broke up with him
Speaker 1: and that he was too turns out he was too
Speaker 1: old for her, and he's kind of like lamenting and
Speaker 1: he's confessing to everything, and Sonya busts in is like,
Speaker 1: shut your mouth, Vance, do not say another word. And
Speaker 1: they're like, he will not speak until counsel is here,
Speaker 1: and Olivia is like, he already waved his right to
Speaker 1: counsel twice, and Sonya is like, do not.
Speaker 3: Say another word.
Speaker 1: He is clearly distraught, and that's exactly what his defense attorney,
Speaker 1: Dwight Stanich will argue and the confession will be completely
Speaker 1: thrown out. So she knows her shit because she's probably
Speaker 1: not wrong here.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm always on the side of the cops. I
Speaker 2: would hate if someone interrupted my interrogation, of.
Speaker 1: Course, but wouldn't you what if your interrogation was at
Speaker 1: risk of being completely thrown into the garbage.
Speaker 2: Oh so Sonya can break the rule and run and
Speaker 2: harass this woman at her job. But yeah, we have
Speaker 2: to follow the rules. Yeah, how is the shirt not
Speaker 2: going to be thrown out? You threatened that she's going
Speaker 2: to get assaulted in prison, So no ah.
Speaker 3: No, she came with the shirt on her own. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Sonya is bending the rules, but
Speaker 1: like she definitely I think doesn't owe the cops to
Speaker 1: finish their interrogation if they're getting it from a distraught
Speaker 1: witness and it's going to get thrown out.
Speaker 3: I learned this at the law school of svu AD
Speaker 3: that I think Sonya's right. I thought I was about
Speaker 3: to learn something new about you that you went to
Speaker 3: law school. Hello. Yeah, the USA Network of Law merch.
Speaker 1: So Stabler kind of like grabs Sonya on the way out,
Speaker 1: which is like not a great look, like he you know,
Speaker 1: he should not be like man handling her, and then
Speaker 1: he calls her a sanctimonious bitch.
Speaker 3: She calls him an adolescent ahole.
Speaker 1: And then meanwhile Vance is banging on the glass being
Speaker 1: like hello, I did it.
Speaker 3: Can somebody listen to me?
Speaker 1: So then we cut to the arraignment, which is kind
Speaker 1: of a wreck because Advance keeps pleading guilty even though
Speaker 1: his lawyer tells him to shut up and says that
Speaker 1: he's not guilty. Sonya asks for five million in bail,
Speaker 1: the defense asks for one hundred k. The bail is
Speaker 1: set at a million dollars, but the lawyer reveals that basically.
Speaker 3: His strategy is extreme emotional distress.
Speaker 1: That his company had recently lost a lot of money,
Speaker 1: plus the breakup, all of this just kind of caused
Speaker 1: him to snap, and that's the argument that they're going
Speaker 1: to use. So now Sonya's like, we have to find
Speaker 1: footage from him at Grand Central getting on that train
Speaker 1: to kill Emily because we need proof that his extreme
Speaker 1: emotional disturbance defense is bullshit. So they're looking at all
Speaker 1: of this footage. They are striking out. They're not finding
Speaker 1: vans anywhere. Sonya lights up a cigarette and then goes,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: Bust me? Like, it's just it's so true. It's what
Speaker 3: you say. That's what's annoying about her.
Speaker 1: She thinks she can break the rules when she wants,
Speaker 1: but no one else can break the rules, or no
Speaker 1: one else can fuck up but what's.
Speaker 2: Interesting is the moment she lit the cigarette, I was like,
Speaker 2: I like you now I liked it was the opposite.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, try to smoke inside. Actually I
Speaker 2: wanted it made me want a cigarette. They need to
Speaker 2: put her in some commercials. I mean, it's illegal to
Speaker 2: have cigarette, so your commercials are not a thing anymore. No,
Speaker 2: they haven't been for so can they even advertise in
Speaker 2: magazines anymore?
Speaker 3: That's been illegal too, right, I don't think so. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Damn, poor cigarette companies. They can't advertise anywhere.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So finally, in the midst of the arguing over the cigarette,
Speaker 1: Olivia spots a full frontal shot of Emily getting onto
Speaker 1: the train and they realize that Emily isn't Emily.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So now Stabler goes to see Vance in lock up
Speaker 1: and he's like, you didn't kill Emily, And we're basically
Speaker 1: getting these two cross cut scenes, okay, of Benson talking
Speaker 1: to Chantelle the daughter, and Stabler talking to Vance, and
Speaker 1: they're going back and forth, kind of explaining what happened
Speaker 1: and making excuses in Chantelle's like, you think I killed
Speaker 1: that girl? And then Olivi's like, hell, yes, I do
Speaker 1: you killed her and you wheeled her into Grand Central
Speaker 1: masquerading as her, and then they show her the photo,
Speaker 1: so she has no choice kind of but to confess.
Speaker 1: She starts confessing that she was at her dad's place.
Speaker 1: Emily came in. Sean Teal didn't even know that her
Speaker 1: dad was dating anyone. She just knew that he was
Speaker 1: blowing her off for some reason, and she couldn't believe
Speaker 1: that he was dating someone so young, like basically just
Speaker 1: a little bit older than her. And she said when
Speaker 1: Emily smiled at her like they were going to be
Speaker 1: best friends, she just kind of snapped and it went blurt.
Speaker 1: She grabbed her by her neck, and she said it
Speaker 1: felt so good. Van says he walked in saw her
Speaker 1: lying there. Her eyes were open, but she was cold.
Speaker 1: This is why I don't really get the bloody shirt.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really seem like there was a lot of
Speaker 1: blood in this crime, so I don't really understand where
Speaker 1: the bloody shirt would have been a good piece.
Speaker 2: Of it was when they had to n angle her
Speaker 2: body to get in the suit into the suitcase. I
Speaker 2: also wanted to say, this is one of my favorite
Speaker 2: tropes of Sview is when they watched the footage over
Speaker 2: and over and over, and everyone's like, go home, what
Speaker 2: do you think you're gonna find? And then the footage
Speaker 2: has the answer, yeah that I get really satisfied in those.
Speaker 1: Because they have boxes and boxes of Grand Central footage.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like one of the busiest train stations
Speaker 1: in the world, Like it's really wild. So Vance walks
Speaker 1: finds Emily and then Chantelle says, Daddy, I did something
Speaker 1: real bad, and she said he spun around for a
Speaker 1: second and he looked so scared, like Chantelle was going
Speaker 1: to kill him too, as she had like a dead
Speaker 1: look in her eyes. And he says I made her
Speaker 1: that way by being a bad dad or never being around.
Speaker 1: So he admits to taking off Emily's clothes putting her
Speaker 1: in the suitcase. He said he was crying while he
Speaker 1: did it, and then Chantelle's like, he never cries over me.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, Well, I would say putting your ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend in a suitcase dead is sort of cry worthy,
Speaker 1: but Chantelle likes to make it all about her. He
Speaker 1: told Chantale to put on Emily's clothes and bring the
Speaker 1: suitcase down to Florida so that the old boyfriend would
Speaker 1: take the blame. Then the train is delayed, so she
Speaker 1: just takes she just pushed that whore out the window.
Speaker 1: And Chantelle looks like a total lunatic when she's recounting
Speaker 1: her side of the sty but.
Speaker 2: It's alwayso like, what an idiot sticks to the plan.
Speaker 2: So what if it's a delayed train, you just murdered someone?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, because I bet you if she just rode the
Speaker 2: train to Florida, they wouldn't have gotten caught.
Speaker 1: I guess not, because anytime you go to a different state,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's when killers like rule because nobody
Speaker 1: talks to each other, so there's all kinds of jurisdiction
Speaker 1: stuff and that, Yeah, they would have just blamed Owen.
Speaker 1: So Vance basically knew that this whole plan was falling
Speaker 1: apart when he found out that they were going to
Speaker 1: look at the tapes and of Grant's central and then
Speaker 1: knew that they weren't going to see him doing anything,
Speaker 1: so he had Lasette bring the bloody shirt and told
Speaker 1: her to blame him, and Chantelle's like, isn't that great?
Speaker 3: My dad's taking the blame. That proves my daddy loves me.
Speaker 1: Right, It's all very sad Benson is like, that's not
Speaker 1: what's happening. And Chantelle's like, well, maybe your daddy never
Speaker 1: loved you, and Benson's like he didn't, but I still
Speaker 1: know that this is wrong. So it's interesting saying like
Speaker 1: Benson doesn't. That doesn't really throw Benson the hole. Your
Speaker 1: daddy never loved you. She's like, yeah, I know. And
Speaker 1: Vance says, Stabler, you do the same thing. And he's like,
Speaker 1: please just let me see my daughter one more time.
Speaker 1: Because they're like, the jig is up. Your daughter's definitely
Speaker 1: going to get justice for this. They walk Vance into
Speaker 1: the precinct. They let Chantelle out of a holding cell and.
Speaker 3: She's like, Daddy, you said it would work.
Speaker 1: And she's like sobbing and he's like, they found out, sweetheart,
Speaker 1: they found out somehow. They let Vance take his cuffs off.
Speaker 1: They start hugging and she's like, I'm so sorry, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm sorry too, daddy, and then she twist
Speaker 1: grabs a pair of scissors off of one of the
Speaker 1: desks in the precinct. This is all going down in
Speaker 1: the sixteenth Precinct, by the way, and she stabs her
Speaker 1: father Vance in the neck with a pair of scissors,
Speaker 1: and then as he's lying there bleeding out, she goes,
Speaker 1: you'll never break another promise to me. Sonia looks shook.
Speaker 1: She is eyes have tears in them. Immediately she is horrified.
Speaker 1: Everyone else is standing there laughing.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm laughing. But there's like a
Speaker 3: bloodied man.
Speaker 1: But no, but everybody is frozen and just watching this
Speaker 1: man bleed out, like I think Stabler tries to help
Speaker 1: him a little bit, but it's like he I think
Speaker 1: she stabbed him right in his.
Speaker 3: Like, what is this one? An important one? Is this
Speaker 3: the carotid? No, that one's in your butt? Okay?
Speaker 1: And so everyone just stands there as Vance dies. And
Speaker 1: that's the end of the episode.
Speaker 2: And I hope you guys are impressed because it is
Speaker 2: the sixteenth Precinct and this is our sixteenth episode, and
Speaker 2: we did this on purpose.
Speaker 3: We did this for you.
Speaker 2: If you think we're just willy nilly doing stuff, we
Speaker 2: have themes. You know, we're trying to make connections. And
Speaker 2: I'm pretty impressed with this one.
Speaker 1: This is what I love about this show is that
Speaker 1: so much actually goes down in the Precinct, Like people
Speaker 1: attack each other, people spot their rapists, Like, I just
Speaker 1: don't think this much goes down in an actual precinct,
Speaker 1: but at this precinct, it's where the action is.
Speaker 2: And I don't know where I read this or I
Speaker 2: saw it, or maybe I did make this, but I
Speaker 2: felt like professionals talked about this and said that a
Speaker 2: moment like this would never happen, Like they would never
Speaker 2: undercuff a guy.
Speaker 3: Right and let him meet his daughter right.
Speaker 2: Now, like that would never be allowed. Like a meet
Speaker 2: and greet doesn't happen when you've committed murder doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: So we're thankful for the sixteenth Precinct and all the
Speaker 1: drama that it has given us. And we'll be back
Speaker 1: in a second for Lisa to tell me all about
Speaker 1: the true crime.
Speaker 2: All right, So the crime happened six weeks before this
Speaker 2: episode came out, so it is pretty close. So I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was fully inspired or there was
Speaker 2: forshe I don't know, or SV willed this crime to.
Speaker 3: Happen inspired detail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's just a little serendipitous or coincidental that
Speaker 2: these things happen so close together. Also, this crime involves
Speaker 2: a lot of reality television, which is something we enjoy.
Speaker 3: But so this is the darker side of reality if
Speaker 3: you needed to know about it.
Speaker 2: So we have this guy, Ryan Jenkins, and he is
Speaker 2: a Canadian guy and he comes to Vegas and he
Speaker 2: wants to be famous and important. He seems like narcissist, sociopath, lunatic, liar,
Speaker 2: like he claims to be a millionaire. He's a cabana
Speaker 2: pool boy type. He's just spending money, live in the
Speaker 2: Vegas life. And then there's casting agents wildly in Vegas
Speaker 2: and see him and they go, hey.
Speaker 3: You seem perfect for something we're working on.
Speaker 2: And this show that they find him for is called
Speaker 2: Megan Wants a Millionaire. So I don't know if any
Speaker 2: of you remember this, but it was a reality show.
Speaker 2: And Meghan is this former playboy playmate and she's done
Speaker 2: lots of shows.
Speaker 3: She was on like.
Speaker 2: Charms School with Brett Hart and Beauty in the Geek.
Speaker 2: She's just been on reality television. And so they pick
Speaker 2: this Ryan, thirty two year old real estate developer from
Speaker 2: Calgary to come on the show and be one of
Speaker 2: these millionaires that Megan wants to date. Now they end
Speaker 2: up having a side relationship within the show, like they
Speaker 2: click really well, and so they were texting and iaming
Speaker 2: and communicating outside of filming, which is usually not I aming.
Speaker 1: That little thing with like when the door opens, when
Speaker 1: your person comes on, and they.
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember my junior highday or was it
Speaker 2: high school, but I remember my whole computer screen was
Speaker 2: filmed with I AM filled with I AM chats. I'd
Speaker 2: be talking like fifteen people at once, all the time
Speaker 2: about fucking nothing. So he also has like a goatee,
Speaker 2: which is pretty disgusting.
Speaker 3: And then there's a guy on this.
Speaker 2: Show too that I remember from Millionaire Matchmaker called Dave Levine,
Speaker 2: And in this crime show that I was watching, he
Speaker 2: was doing an interview and he's like, yeah, once you're
Speaker 2: on TV, people are excited, and it's like, sir, no one.
Speaker 3: Cares about you. How dare you?
Speaker 2: Anyways, So Megan and Ryan are having like extra conversations
Speaker 2: and she's like, I'm gonna pick you. I like you,
Speaker 2: YadA YadA, And then the producers actually reach out to
Speaker 2: her and they're like, listen, everyone hates him. The audience
Speaker 2: will not like him. He's a liar. Everything he's telling
Speaker 2: you is lies. We can see that, Like he just
Speaker 2: tells people whatever they want to hear. He is not legit.
Speaker 2: The audience will turn on you. You cannot pick Ryan.
Speaker 2: He is not the one. But she already told him
Speaker 2: I'm going to pick you. So he flies in his
Speaker 2: father and then he gets kicked out in front of
Speaker 2: his father and he's fucking pissed, and so he leaves
Speaker 2: the show embarrassed, rejected, and for someone that has the
Speaker 2: clearer personality disorders he has, this is not good news.
Speaker 2: So he goes back to Vegas with a vengeance, and
Speaker 2: basically he meets this woman, Jasmine Fior, and she is beautiful.
Speaker 2: Her idol is Marilyn Monroe and so she you know,
Speaker 2: she has Breaston plans. She's beautiful, blonde and wants to
Speaker 2: be famous and be like a sexual icon and be
Speaker 2: wanted by men. She's from originally a small town outside
Speaker 2: of Santa Cruz called Bonnie Dune, which reminds me of
Speaker 2: Boone's Farm Liquor, but it does not. And so she's
Speaker 2: living in Vegas and they end up meeting. So they
Speaker 2: end up getting married within forty eight hours at the
Speaker 2: Little White Wedding Chapel, which is very fam and we
Speaker 2: have friends that just got married there.
Speaker 3: But they're they're like each other. They've been together for
Speaker 3: more than for two days. Yes, I would say years. Years.
Speaker 2: Years after filming, Meghan reaches out from Megan wants a millionaire,
Speaker 2: reaches out to Ryan, going the show's over, let's kick it,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I don't need you. I have a
Speaker 2: hot blonde and we're married. Go fuck yourself. So the
Speaker 2: producers and everyone is like, yeah, this was like a
Speaker 2: revenge thing where he just needed you know, he.
Speaker 1: Called me interesting. I read about this case, but you
Speaker 1: did much more in depth. Like I didn't hear any
Speaker 1: of this stuff about Meghan and like how he married
Speaker 1: because I was like, you know, it's a red flag
Speaker 1: when someone gets married after two days. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: it was just like a full revenge wedding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this was his way of quote unquote winning
Speaker 2: the show because he got rejected, and it's this way
Speaker 2: of being like, fuck you, Meghan, I have like a hotter,
Speaker 2: blonder woman. And so the relationship is fucked up and
Speaker 2: the detail of the relationship. Basically, his visa was running
Speaker 2: out and he needed to be married to stay in
Speaker 2: the country, so he offered Jasmine ten thousand dollars to
Speaker 2: be able to stay in the country, and she wanted
Speaker 2: money and so she did it, but the money never came.
Speaker 2: And this is the same thing with me on the
Speaker 2: set of the show, like he'd be like, Oh, my
Speaker 2: money's in Canada, I can't get it transferred. Oh, we're
Speaker 2: having bank problems. And also they noticed on the set
Speaker 2: of the show that he only brought one pair of
Speaker 2: pants and he had a fake rolex, so it's like,
Speaker 2: you are not a millionaire, sir. And the producers did
Speaker 2: say they're like, we needed some fakes because that's kind
Speaker 2: of the fun too for the audience, like that God's lying.
Speaker 2: So Jasmine and Ryan are married, Jasmine's not getting her
Speaker 2: money and she ends up having to pay for everything
Speaker 2: and fronting a lot of money for their kind of
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say lavish lifestyle, but like show weed lifestyle.
Speaker 2: And she dated like a UFC fighter or an MMA
Speaker 2: something with check Ledell. She's been on red carpets before
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 3: And then, according to.
Speaker 2: Jasmine's friend Marta Montoya, there were problems with the marriage
Speaker 2: a month into it, which makes sense when you get
Speaker 2: married to someone within.
Speaker 3: Forty eight hours. So and then it all.
Speaker 2: Came to a head where they were at a cocktail party,
Speaker 2: and Jasmine started talking to this man David, and then
Speaker 2: started making out with him, which is an insane thing
Speaker 2: to do when you're at a party with your husband.
Speaker 2: But Ryan sees that she's making out with this guy
Speaker 2: named David and shoves her and then shoves her into
Speaker 2: the pool. So she's pushed in the pool, and she
Speaker 2: files a police report, and he serves two days in jail.
Speaker 2: And she's dealt with an abusive relationship before and so
Speaker 2: she wasn't about to take this so you push her
Speaker 2: in the pool.
Speaker 3: No, thank you.
Speaker 2: So after all of that, she ended up moving to
Speaker 2: an apartment in LA and then he followed her and
Speaker 2: she kind of let him. And her friend said, and
Speaker 2: I don't know how real of a friend this is.
Speaker 2: This is Vegas clubs, but this girl Marto was just
Speaker 2: like she liked being lusted for by Ryan, even though
Speaker 2: I bet she knew it was unhealthy and it was
Speaker 2: fucked up.
Speaker 3: She tried to go to La. He followed her. She
Speaker 3: was into it, so she let him get in there.
Speaker 2: So then in this apartment he ended up cheating on
Speaker 2: her and taking a lover and like having her find
Speaker 2: them on purpose to get back at her, like this
Speaker 2: is just not a healthy individual or situation. And Jasmine
Speaker 2: asks for an annulment, and he starts reaching out to
Speaker 2: Megan from this reality TV show and then he right
Speaker 2: as this annulment, all this drama is happening, he signs
Speaker 2: up for I Love Money Season three.
Speaker 3: So, and these are all like VH one shows, right correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are viacom reality shows because I remember Joe Millionaire,
Speaker 2: I remember Who Wants to Marry I remember this Sign
Speaker 2: of Culture for sure, and.
Speaker 3: Like Rock of Love, Rock of Love bus like all
Speaker 3: of those Slave Love New York. Yeah, yeah, Flavor Flave
Speaker 3: I watched, I remember Pompkin for I remember Flavor Flame
Speaker 3: has star quality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get Flavor Flame on a fucking SVU. That
Speaker 1: would be an amazing cameo. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1: Are you clicking and clacking to see if he's still
Speaker 1: alive or what?
Speaker 3: Flava Flav was definitely still live. I'm sorry, I am no.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say Megan was on Rock of Love,
Speaker 3: did you yes? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And she was on Charms School with Brett, I said
Speaker 2: Brett Hart, Brett Michaels, Okay, so by Brett Harr, who's
Speaker 2: a wrestler. He did not do Rock of Love. It's
Speaker 2: Brett Michaels from a band. So he signs up for
Speaker 2: I Love Money Season three, and he flies to Mexico
Speaker 2: for a month of shooting. And during this time, this
Speaker 2: is all like, this is such a e gossip, But
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys are listening, like get
Speaker 2: to the murder bitch. But all of this background, I
Speaker 2: do feel makes sense and it is kind of a
Speaker 2: ju see until it's just awful. She starts hanging out
Speaker 2: with this guy, Robert Hassman, and she hangs out with
Speaker 2: him while Ryan is filming and starts filling out paperwork. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're wondering, oh, why didn't I see I Love
Speaker 2: Money Season three, it's because they had never aired it
Speaker 2: because he was the winner and also a murderer, so
Speaker 2: they never aired this season of television.
Speaker 3: If you're wondering what happened.
Speaker 2: But he did win, and so the producers talk about
Speaker 2: how during this and once he realized he was gonna win,
Speaker 2: he was messaging Jasmine going I'm gonna win this money.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give us the life.
Speaker 2: I always promise I'm obsessed with you, like I want
Speaker 2: to be with you, and you know, she likes money
Speaker 2: and she's into it. But what's fucked up is the
Speaker 2: producers we're hearing and seeing all of this and thought
Speaker 2: it was a funny storyline, like they couldn't wait to
Speaker 2: put this in the show of him being like obsessed
Speaker 2: with this model girlfriend, and they saw no danger in
Speaker 2: these communications. And so he sent that email to her
Speaker 2: being like, I love you. I'm going to give you
Speaker 2: all this light love and stuff. July twenty seventh, two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. So that's when she gets the email
Speaker 2: of professing true and lasting love. So she's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll do that. So he comes back and she dyed
Speaker 2: her hair brown for a news fresh start, and so
Speaker 2: she's a brunette now and they're together. So then on
Speaker 2: August thirteenth, two thousand and nine, they check into I
Speaker 2: don't know how to say this, laa barrage, laberage whatever,
Speaker 2: the Delmar Robierge Laberge del Mar Hotel in San Diego
Speaker 2: for a poker tournament, and a few days later, her
Speaker 2: body is found in a suitcase in a dumpster in
Speaker 2: LA And so you might be wondering, like what happened
Speaker 2: between this poker tournament get away to Jasmine's body being
Speaker 2: found in a suitcase in a dumpster.
Speaker 3: It's pretty fucking horrific.
Speaker 2: So basically, they go to this hotel tournament and while
Speaker 2: he's playing poker, she's texting her ex, Robert Hassman, and
Speaker 2: then they get into her white They get into Jasmine's
Speaker 2: white Mercedes to go back to the hotel from the
Speaker 2: poker tournament, and that's when things get violent. So in
Speaker 2: the car is when things got violent. Something with the text.
Speaker 2: Something happened in that car where he just started to
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of her.
Speaker 3: So he couldn't.
Speaker 2: Obviously bring a bloodied, bruised woman that he just beat
Speaker 2: up through the lobby of the hotel, so he carried
Speaker 2: her to their hotel patio door, but the door didn't
Speaker 2: open from the outside, so he left her.
Speaker 3: There, and on the footage in the hotel we.
Speaker 2: See him like run like a raised maniac into his
Speaker 2: room and so then he brings her in through the
Speaker 2: patio door. And at five three am this night, they
Speaker 2: see him on the footage of the hotel leave the
Speaker 2: hotel room and take the phone, take the landline and
Speaker 2: put it on a For some reason, this hotel had
Speaker 2: a dresser in the middle of the hallway.
Speaker 3: I've never seen this in my life.
Speaker 2: I've stayed at so many hotels, but it's like a
Speaker 2: giant wooden dresser is just in the hotel hallway. So
Speaker 2: he takes the phone out and puts it on top
Speaker 2: of this dresser, which alludes to the fact that someone
Speaker 2: is in that room that he doesn't want calling nine
Speaker 2: to one one. Why else would you take a landline
Speaker 2: in So the fact that they saw him go into
Speaker 2: the room alone and yet then take the phone out
Speaker 2: and hide it in the hallway is pretty telling that
Speaker 2: someone's in there. So he grabbed some ice and he
Speaker 2: went back into the hotel room, and at five oh
Speaker 2: six am he goes back into the room with the
Speaker 2: bucket of ice, and he's in there for an hour.
Speaker 3: It's just really bad.
Speaker 2: He strangled her, and that's a connection to the SVU
Speaker 2: as well. So she was strangled and then I don't
Speaker 2: understand how he had all of these tools with him,
Speaker 2: but he ripped out all of her teeth and cut
Speaker 2: off all of her fingers, and so that's what made
Speaker 2: it really hard to identify Jasmine when her body was found.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he took all her teeth and fingers off,
Speaker 2: which is vile and fucked up, Like, how do you
Speaker 2: do this to quote unquote someone you love or loved
Speaker 2: or claimed to love, Like even to a stranger, this
Speaker 2: is hard to imagine, but someone that you've spent all
Speaker 2: this time with to then rip out their teeth and
Speaker 2: it's just pretty like this guy is discussing should I
Speaker 2: say rip out fingers one more time?
Speaker 3: Okay, no, no, no more times.
Speaker 2: So when he comes out of the room, he's holding
Speaker 2: all the contents that would have been in the suitcase.
Speaker 2: So they have him on camera like holding all of
Speaker 2: these things that didn't fit into the suitcase. And then
Speaker 2: he rolled the suitcase out the back patio to the
Speaker 2: car around nine thirty am and he leaves the hotel
Speaker 2: with no luggage and no Jasmine. And this is all
Speaker 2: on camera and I didn't mention, but in the beginning,
Speaker 2: there is footage of them checking into the hotel and
Speaker 2: it's the same luggage that was found. So then there's
Speaker 2: on secure I mean, the security cameras are really amazing
Speaker 2: tools in this case. So then they have camera footage
Speaker 2: of him arriving back at his apartment in La on foot.
Speaker 2: So he got rid of her white Mercedes somewhere and
Speaker 2: then came back to his apartment on foot. Now this
Speaker 2: is where he thinks he's really smart. He starts texting
Speaker 2: all of her friends, going, hey, I haven't seen Jasmine.
Speaker 2: Have you seen her? She stopped talking to me. I
Speaker 2: think she left me again. I'm so sad. Have you
Speaker 2: guys heard from her? So he starts texting all of
Speaker 2: his friends for some alibi stuff to find her, and
Speaker 2: then he also then that morning calls and files a
Speaker 2: missing persons report for Jasmine.
Speaker 3: So this is what's wild.
Speaker 2: So the detectives find the suitcase and because of no teeth,
Speaker 2: no fingerprints, they don't know how to id her. But
Speaker 2: she has breast implants and this is from a different
Speaker 2: episode of Sview. I wish they put it in this one,
Speaker 2: but how could they have known that we needed it?
Speaker 2: But they identify her through the serial number of breast implans.
Speaker 2: They are unique and everyone has their own, so they
Speaker 2: are able to identify her and they contact the La
Speaker 2: Police department. There's tons of police departments to try to
Speaker 2: find Ryan, and they're like, actually, because what the detective said,
Speaker 2: is when a woman gets murdered, you look to who's
Speaker 2: closest to her immediately.
Speaker 3: You look to boyfriend husband right away.
Speaker 2: And so they're looking for Ryan, and the police in
Speaker 2: Las like funny you should say that because he filed
Speaker 2: up missing persons report and we needed more information from him,
Speaker 2: and we've been trying to contact him all day and
Speaker 2: he won't return our calls. So a man hunt ensues,
Speaker 2: and basically one week later, he is found in British
Speaker 2: Columbia dead in a motel.
Speaker 3: Room by suicide. He hung himself.
Speaker 2: Someone that works at the motel found him hanging, and
Speaker 2: he did kill himself. And then a few days after
Speaker 2: the discovery of Jasmine's body, her white Mercedes was found
Speaker 2: in a parking lot a mile away from Ryan's home.
Speaker 2: And there was so much evidence in the vehicle, lots of.
Speaker 1: A great hiding job, like you have to bring it
Speaker 1: to a field and set it on fire or something like.
Speaker 1: If it's going to have all that evidence in it,
Speaker 1: why would you just leave it filled with evidence a
Speaker 1: mile from where you live.
Speaker 2: I'm not a psychologist, clearly, and I'm diagnosing him with
Speaker 2: all these things, but he's a fucking narcissist and when
Speaker 2: you like when he probably with the texts and everything,
Speaker 2: thought he was going to get away with at all,
Speaker 2: and he was trying to get into Canada. And his
Speaker 2: family is actually rich and they have private jets and
Speaker 2: they have like a home in Honduras and stuff, and
Speaker 2: so they needed to find him because he was He
Speaker 2: could have definitely gotten away, but I think the manhunt
Speaker 2: got so intense that he got scared, he knew there
Speaker 2: was no way out, and he killed himself.
Speaker 1: I read something where the father was like, she was
Speaker 1: his only friend in La and she would withhold, she
Speaker 1: would sometimes disappear and hang out with other people, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, so he was totally right to murder her.
Speaker 3: Great great great Yeah, he was like I told him
Speaker 3: to dump chasmine.
Speaker 2: But I do want to just touch on this, like
Speaker 2: ethics and reality television in this case actually changed a
Speaker 2: lot of casting because what's fucked up is he had
Speaker 2: a domestic assault charge from two thousand and seven on
Speaker 2: an ex girlfriend in Canada, and he likes was charged
Speaker 2: and convicted. So what the fuck is going on that
Speaker 2: you're bringing a domestic abuser onto a reality show set
Speaker 2: and really stressful, like being on reality TV is stressful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So with all of this everyone got in trouble. So
Speaker 2: when the case broke, the Collective Intelligence Agency was the
Speaker 2: agency that was in charge of doing all the background checks,
Speaker 2: and so Viacom was like, it's not us, it's the
Speaker 2: production company. And the production company is like, it's not us,
Speaker 2: it's this intelligence place, and the intelligence place is like,
Speaker 2: we only have jurisdiction in US. We actually outsourced to
Speaker 2: a Canadian company and the Canadian people refused to answer
Speaker 2: any phone calls at all or emails, and then they
Speaker 2: found out that it was an error from a Canadian
Speaker 2: court clerk and it was all their fault. But the
Speaker 2: Canada agency ended up having to pay like eight hundred
Speaker 2: and ten thousand dollars to the US agency. But Mark Cronin,
Speaker 2: who created the I Love Money and all these shows,
Speaker 2: actually created Below Deck, a show that we do love
Speaker 2: but hes yeah, but he says this case changed the
Speaker 2: way they do everything, and not just beforehand, but after
Speaker 2: the show. They now keep tabs on all contestants. And
Speaker 2: he said there was a person on Below Deck who
Speaker 2: seemed to have some problems and they keep in touch
Speaker 2: with her and make sure that she's getting psychiatric help
Speaker 2: because of this case. Wow, to make sure this doesn't
Speaker 2: happen again, because this could have been avoided if you know,
Speaker 2: all these people did their jobs and he was never
Speaker 2: on television and he was never kicked off, this volatile
Speaker 2: person and married Jasmine and it really really sucks, and
Speaker 2: it's really sad, and she just seemed like a really.
Speaker 3: Sweet, fun person.
Speaker 1: This seems like it could have been like its own SVU.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that like this is listed on
Speaker 1: a bunch of our resources, like as what is like
Speaker 1: the inspiration of sugar, even though really it's kind of
Speaker 1: just like a few details here and there are barred
Speaker 1: from it, and the proximity in time is obviously so close,
Speaker 1: I think with the suitcase. But this could have been
Speaker 1: like its own full thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad, and I think this just teaches
Speaker 2: us that no one should live in Las Vegas, if
Speaker 2: I'm being honest. Do not find love in Vegas, everybody?
Speaker 2: And what is so crazy about this? Kara Is and
Speaker 2: Hannah you know this better than anyone. The Just for
Speaker 2: Laughs Festival in Montreal is this big comedy festival, and
Speaker 2: there were people that had duys that weren't able to
Speaker 2: go and to Canada to perform. There was someone with
Speaker 2: like an old weed charge and so that he couldn't
Speaker 2: fly and had to dry and was like, it's so
Speaker 2: intense that you can't even perform in a comedy festival
Speaker 2: in Canada if you have any sort of crimes in
Speaker 2: the US, and it like fucked up people's chances of
Speaker 2: performing there. And yet this guy who beat the shit
Speaker 2: out of his girlfriend was able to just come into
Speaker 2: the States and get on television.
Speaker 3: It's pretty insane. I don't understand and.
Speaker 1: How that happens even Yeah, I mean there's always like
Speaker 1: the first case that causes them to tighten everything up
Speaker 1: and figure it out. And this sounds like it was
Speaker 1: probably I mean not that reality TV started in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six when this was all going down, but
Speaker 1: it was still early ish days of reality TV.
Speaker 3: Woo, what a story.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, we will be right back with our very
Speaker 1: special guests.
Speaker 3: All right, everybody, special guest time.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have this next guest on our show.
Speaker 1: If we are still counting, how our show is going
Speaker 1: to egot. This is one of our Emmy winners. He
Speaker 1: plays Grant McLaren in Netflix's Travelers. There are three seasons
Speaker 1: on Netflix, perfect for you to binge right now. He
Speaker 1: plays doctor Daniel Pierce in Perception on TNT, and you
Speaker 1: might know him as Will Truman from one of my
Speaker 1: favorite shows of all time, Will and Grace. Guys, please
Speaker 1: join us on our chat with Vance Shephard himself Eric McCormick.
Speaker 2: We can't believe that you agreed to do this. This
Speaker 2: is amazing. We're so happy.
Speaker 5: I'm delighted. I think it's a really funny idea.
Speaker 6: And plus I'm free.
Speaker 1: We're so blessed that everybody is free right now. We're
Speaker 1: getting a lot of fun people because no one is working.
Speaker 6: I mean, no one is busy, no one's busy, and
Speaker 6: everyone has done the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Literally, yes, we have to start with abaying, if that's okay.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is an even appropriate first question.
Speaker 2: But we got to talk about the scissor scene, you know,
Speaker 2: and then we'll get into everything else. But I'm just
Speaker 2: dying to know about the filming of that and just
Speaker 2: how all this. Yeah, I just want to know all
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just got to slowly die in Elliott
Speaker 1: Stabler's arms, which I think a lot of our listeners
Speaker 1: would just love to have happen.
Speaker 6: And so I was waiting for a big glove scene
Speaker 6: with Elliott. It was I mean, first of all, I
Speaker 6: assume everyone is listening has probably seen it. But it
Speaker 6: is a pretty it is a pretty damn good ending. Yes,
Speaker 6: it's pretty surprising. And I thought that girl was great
Speaker 6: until I was great, and and it was. I can't
Speaker 6: remember the special effects of it all, but it worked
Speaker 6: pretty well. But the thing they didn't tell me is that,
Speaker 6: first of all, we shot that scene last, at least
Speaker 6: last in my week and late, and once I was
Speaker 6: in the ever widening pool of blood, I had to
Speaker 6: stay there for two hours in order to get a
Speaker 6: couple of other shots. So I'm lying in a pool
Speaker 6: of my own cold blood and I can't move, And
Speaker 6: they even took a break.
Speaker 5: They had to take a break because something would happened
Speaker 5: to the.
Speaker 6: Camera and they have the SUPERSTRAI do walk away and
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm I'm.
Speaker 5: In blood here.
Speaker 1: Did you love being in the jumpsuit? Terable costume? I
Speaker 1: have to assume very comfortable.
Speaker 6: You don't have to, You don't to worry about what
Speaker 6: you eat for lunch. But orange is not my no,
Speaker 6: my colorgue, it's.
Speaker 5: It's not my.
Speaker 1: Best not the new black, as they say, now, not
Speaker 1: for me. So had you like leading up to doing
Speaker 1: this episode? Had you been because this is like a
Speaker 1: this is a real classic episode for a lot of
Speaker 1: our listeners, because I think because of the name of
Speaker 1: the company, Tasty Sugar, people are obsessed with like the
Speaker 1: how funny the website is and the name of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like people love this episode. Had you
Speaker 1: been like a fan of SPU leading up, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you kind of might must have known Mariushka Hargeta
Speaker 1: because you were on the same network for years.
Speaker 5: We're on the same network.
Speaker 6: Her and Messing we're best friends, are best friends, so
Speaker 6: I had met her a few times, but I hadn't
Speaker 6: I hadn't watched the show a lot when I had
Speaker 6: this Simy, I was thinking about yesterday that the nature
Speaker 6: of the show really everyone's sort of working together agrees
Speaker 6: that rape is bad, and there's it's very rare that
Speaker 6: a disagreement amongst them about how you know. But this
Speaker 6: was a really interesting one because this wasn't about right,
Speaker 6: this was about choices. That someone made the choice to
Speaker 6: as a young woman to be a sugar baby, the
Speaker 6: choice is an older guy to be a sugar daddy.
Speaker 6: And I think the argument that the cops and Christine
Speaker 6: Lotty have in the Cops Station is really interesting because
Speaker 6: it's for them they're completely separated on the issue that
Speaker 6: in a lot of episodes they'd all be on the.
Speaker 1: Same page on No, that's so true, and we talked
Speaker 1: about that when we sort of recap the episode that yeah,
Speaker 1: Christine Latiez sort of like maybe in more old fashioned
Speaker 1: opinion about sex work right.
Speaker 2: Well, Also, this episode is kind of a party episode
Speaker 2: for us view because there isn't like child abuse or rape.
Speaker 2: It is kind of one even though there is a
Speaker 2: group some murder. It is like a fun episode for
Speaker 2: us VU. It's like a silly one.
Speaker 6: And the whole the whole thing of the two guys
Speaker 6: at the beginning doing the and.
Speaker 1: They're hunting for the the geo cashing cashing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just was fun because of course you
Speaker 6: guys wants to talk about it all the time that
Speaker 6: whatever the opening scene is and how it has nothing
Speaker 6: to do with anything, but they kept that one going
Speaker 6: deep into that interrogation scene with those two guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and then they find a full other suspect
Speaker 1: and who has a perfect video of the crime being committed.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a great show. Do you
Speaker 1: watch you whenever you're in stuff? Do you watch it?
Speaker 3: Or are you one of those people who don't like
Speaker 3: to watch yourself and things?
Speaker 5: It depends on the thing. I like to watch it
Speaker 5: less and less these days as one ages.
Speaker 6: But I love my wife and I will will watch
Speaker 6: Will and Grace in bed just because it's like watching
Speaker 6: home movies or something.
Speaker 5: But something like this.
Speaker 6: I hadn't watched it in ten years. I watched it
Speaker 6: the other day because of this, and.
Speaker 5: I thought it was fun. I mean, I didn't mind.
Speaker 5: I didn't mind it. I didn't mind it at all.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think it depends on the character. It
Speaker 5: depends on the script.
Speaker 1: Okay, I have a child, You have a child. You
Speaker 1: don't have to answer this if this feels like a
Speaker 1: weird question. But in the context of the show, do
Speaker 1: you turn your kid in if your kid is guilty
Speaker 1: of murder or do you try to take the blame
Speaker 1: like what your character did?
Speaker 5: Oh my kid, I'd read on him, so.
Speaker 6: For sure I might actually I've read after this, make
Speaker 6: something up and call it, but no, actually, I had
Speaker 6: actually forgotten scissors and all. I'd forgotten about that aspect
Speaker 6: of it that I clearly from moment once stuff my
Speaker 6: own girlfriend into a suitcase to.
Speaker 5: Protect my daughter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and also i'd also forgotten how much those two
Speaker 6: actresses look alike, which is really which is a turning
Speaker 6: point in the episode with the with the translation photograph.
Speaker 5: But it's also like, oh.
Speaker 3: It's a tough it's a tough move on that guy's part.
Speaker 3: For sure, that is tough.
Speaker 7: What I also wanted to tell because and I'm sure
Speaker 7: versions of this, But the thing about a show like
Speaker 7: that is, unlike Sable and Grace, it doesn't matter how
Speaker 7: what guest stars we have, they're always going to write
Speaker 7: some pretty good stuff for Will and Grace and Jack
Speaker 7: and Karen.
Speaker 6: But a cop show for ten twenty years, sometimes it's the.
Speaker 5: Guest stars that have the best stuff and they just
Speaker 5: have to solve the crimes.
Speaker 6: And it's I'm sure it was frustrating, but I had
Speaker 6: this great speech where I finally in the orange jumpsuit,
Speaker 6: I confess and meanwhile, my daughter's confessing.
Speaker 5: At the same time.
Speaker 6: And I remember doing it with Chris and he's sitting
Speaker 6: there looking all stabler and serious.
Speaker 5: And I did a take in the directors like that's great,
Speaker 5: that's great. We do one more. And I did one
Speaker 5: more and I cried and said, ah, that's so great.
Speaker 5: And you know, Chris has been moved at all. And
Speaker 5: I just looked at it. I said, you've heard a
Speaker 5: lot of these, haven't you. You see two hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty five, And.
Speaker 6: I thought, that's the heart freaking part about any cop show,
Speaker 6: any crime solving thing, is the confession speech is never yours. Yeah,
Speaker 6: always somebody else's. And also that the scene that Sailor
Speaker 6: has in the where he takes a girl out of Sugarcar.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he goes undercover.
Speaker 5: Undercover is a sugar daddy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if this was like I mean,
Speaker 1: this is clearly it seems like how it was written,
Speaker 1: but you played it really well, just the sort of
Speaker 1: like Google CEO guy that's like, we're fun here, we'll
Speaker 1: do your dry cleaning.
Speaker 3: And buy your new boobs.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, like just the way that you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I make this shot, everybody like making it about
Speaker 1: you and trying to be like fun guy boss at
Speaker 1: the same time.
Speaker 5: I make this shot, everybody gets a new ass. Here
Speaker 5: we go.
Speaker 2: Did anyone inspire you for that asshole boss school guy role?
Speaker 1: Do you think of anybody specific when you were channeling?
Speaker 5: Interesting question. I didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't have anybody I think really though it was
Speaker 6: was that two thousand and nine Yeah, shot, So Will
Speaker 6: Grace was like three years previous to that.
Speaker 5: I think at that point, I was just I was.
Speaker 6: Looking for anything that would be very different than Will
Speaker 6: and so that was just an opportunity to make him
Speaker 6: his slick and assholy.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, we were talking about that because we were saying, like,
Speaker 1: even in this part, you kind of can't help but
Speaker 1: be a little bit funny, Like even though you are
Speaker 1: doing something very different from Will, like you are funny
Speaker 1: in it, Like you have funny parts.
Speaker 3: And the wardrobe helped with that a lot of Yeah,
Speaker 3: with those lo v's.
Speaker 6: And I and I the one thing in my life
Speaker 6: I would never do was it was where a necklace?
Speaker 6: But I said, this guy, this guy's got to have
Speaker 6: a necklace of some kind, you know, maybe.
Speaker 5: Like a shark's too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your idea yeah, good info.
Speaker 3: Good info.
Speaker 5: Got to go a necklace. Another fun thing we should
Speaker 5: mention from this episode.
Speaker 3: Yes is my lawyer? Yes, oh, yes, my.
Speaker 6: Lawyer is Robert Klein, who becomes my mother's new husband, Grace.
Speaker 3: I'm just connecting that now. Yes, he's like your stepfather.
Speaker 6: He's my stepfather and he married Blythe Danner and today
Speaker 6: is Blythe Danner's birthday.
Speaker 5: Happy birthday to my television mom.
Speaker 3: Was that total coincidence?
Speaker 5: Total coincidence? In fact? He then went on, So we
Speaker 5: did that episode. Then Deborah did her crime show, which was.
Speaker 3: Called Mysteries of Laura Mystery.
Speaker 5: I can say pictures of Lily.
Speaker 1: Yes, filmed it in my neighborhood when I lived in
Speaker 1: New York, so I saw it all the time.
Speaker 6: They did, right, so because I did an episode of that, yeah,
Speaker 6: as her old boyfriend episode. But Robert Clime was playing
Speaker 6: her dad on that serious It then comes in and
Speaker 6: it is her dad again, even though Alan Arkin had
Speaker 6: originally played that part in the first run, but we
Speaker 6: couldn't get Alan back Anyways, the many chases of Robert Klink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's an iconic actor as well comedy figure.
Speaker 5: Love him.
Speaker 3: Well, you went to High School, Scarborough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so are you familiar with the Hamalkas. It
Speaker 2: was a case that we covered and one of their
Speaker 2: crimes took place in Scarborough. So I was going to like,
Speaker 2: I think you were long gone from there, but if
Speaker 2: you remember any of the media or any like any
Speaker 2: people in your life talking about.
Speaker 6: It, it was it was actually very close to where
Speaker 6: I grew up, and I wasn't that long gone because
Speaker 6: I didn't really leave Toronto until eighty nine to ninety.
Speaker 1: That's like exactly kind of what it was happening, I guess.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so because I went to college in Toronto at
Speaker 6: Ryerson University and then I was always working in the theater.
Speaker 6: But coming back to Toronto, I definitely remember it was
Speaker 6: horrific and stunning.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was. But another fun of a more fun
Speaker 5: thing about Scarborough.
Speaker 6: Less murdering, less murdery is shitty than that is the
Speaker 6: number of people that you may or may not be
Speaker 6: aware that have come out of Scarborough.
Speaker 5: I mean, I went to high school with Mike Myers.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 6: I went to high school with David Furnish, who is
Speaker 6: now married to Elton John. David and I did musicals
Speaker 6: together in high school. Jim Carrey, bar naked ladies, some
Speaker 6: of the kids in the hall.
Speaker 1: So many celebrities from Canada. I didn't realize they were
Speaker 1: also concentrated to this area, but.
Speaker 5: It is unbelievable they really are.
Speaker 6: Scarborough has pretended, you know, it's just a sa I
Speaker 6: don't know which you compare it to Santa Monica or something.
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable the number of people.
Speaker 3: Is it like what?
Speaker 1: I don't know Canadian geography very well. Forgive me, I
Speaker 1: haven't been too many times. But what is it the
Speaker 1: closest to Toronto.
Speaker 5: It's a suburb of Toronto.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, we're proud of voice Scarberian roots.
Speaker 2: Being a musical person, is there a musical part you
Speaker 2: would love to play that you haven't.
Speaker 5: There's a few that I haven't.
Speaker 6: I sort of have my main one I sort of
Speaker 6: have done on a v H one special years ago.
Speaker 6: But Frankenfurter from The Rocky hor would be my absolute favorite.
Speaker 6: And I'm getting a little long in the tooth for that.
Speaker 6: But I always wanted to play Shay in a Vita,
Speaker 6: which is the first Broadway show I ever saw. Again,
Speaker 6: at this point, you could either go with like a
Speaker 6: twenty five year old Latino guy or me. So I
Speaker 6: think probably, I think probably the deck is stats for
Speaker 6: that one. But I have got over the years, I've
Speaker 6: got to play some stuff. I did the Fantastics in
Speaker 6: high school. I've done three productions since then in life,
Speaker 6: one of them directed by Jason Alexander from Seinfeld, and
Speaker 6: my son has just auditioned for his high school production
Speaker 6: of The Fantastics, the same role that I did forty
Speaker 6: years ago.
Speaker 2: So well, and then this is one of my favorite
Speaker 2: questions I like to ask, but it's a little silk.
Speaker 2: What is your favorite craft service snack, whatever, any of
Speaker 2: that ready for you.
Speaker 6: I hope we can get back to a world where
Speaker 6: we have craft service today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, working on the set now, it's just it's you
Speaker 5: can't do it.
Speaker 1: I worked on a set recently where you know, it
Speaker 1: was very masked and protected, but you had to ask
Speaker 1: someone for everything you wanted.
Speaker 3: There wasn't just like a table where you could graze.
Speaker 1: So it really cuts back on how gluttonous you can
Speaker 1: be at the craft service table because you're like, may
Speaker 1: I please have a twizzler? And uh, you have to
Speaker 1: like ask for everything you want.
Speaker 5: I think my favorite craft service.
Speaker 6: It was just I did a show for three years
Speaker 6: with Rachel ye Cook called Perception, which was on TNT,
Speaker 6: and I was also solving crimes, but.
Speaker 5: I was a professor.
Speaker 6: But we every day they would have these unbelievable apple fritters,
Speaker 6: and you can't eat an entire apple fritter every day, uh,
Speaker 6: and still look the same by episode six.
Speaker 5: So every day, Rachel, we.
Speaker 8: Go to the table and kind of look at each other,
Speaker 8: well we could, I mean, if we each have a
Speaker 8: piece of it, we just negotiate a single apple fritter
Speaker 8: over the course of the.
Speaker 5: Day, and it was heaven.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: My other favorite craft service story because on a sitcom,
Speaker 6: craft service and Pater we're kind of the same because
Speaker 6: you're not there long enoughticularly if Jim burrows his story.
Speaker 6: I think you're just not there long enough in the
Speaker 6: course of a day to have meals and a snack table.
Speaker 6: So when we the first run of Will and Grace,
Speaker 6: the woman in charge of all things was named Sandy,
Speaker 6: and Sandy's from the South, and she always had such
Speaker 6: elaborate things, and every day for lunch it was like
Speaker 6: heavy like barbecue.
Speaker 3: After that day, and one.
Speaker 8: Day I said, you know, Sandy, it's a little you know,
Speaker 8: like this is a show where you can see our
Speaker 8: bodies all the time, and I can't eat ribs all
Speaker 8: the time.
Speaker 6: And she said, oh what was she like, a salad
Speaker 6: you want? I said, salad would be great. So the
Speaker 6: next day there was this salad with this warm dressing
Speaker 6: and I tried.
Speaker 8: It was fantastic. I said, now that's more like, what
Speaker 8: is that dressing? And she said always, it's so easy.
Speaker 8: It's just it's just it's basically just baking it.
Speaker 5: No, that's that doesn't help. I might as well have
Speaker 5: a fritter.
Speaker 3: I love Sandy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you Sandy.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I just I'm like really still, I'm
Speaker 1: just so excited we got to talk to him. He's
Speaker 1: like one of my true I just love Will and
Speaker 1: Grace so much. It's really like a warm blanket for me.
Speaker 2: And he's amazing that he watched the episode to prep
Speaker 2: a little bit. He has an amazing memory and he's
Speaker 2: just so charming. I was like fully like taken by him.
Speaker 2: I'm so fucking giddy. So what did we learn this episode, Liza?
Speaker 2: I would say more learnings. I would love to bring
Speaker 2: up Oh a Quick Estate.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately this year, the Food Network just removed season twenty
Speaker 2: of Worst Cooks in America because the winner and her husband,
Speaker 2: this is fucked up. Obviously, we're arrested for allegedly like
Speaker 2: homicide by child.
Speaker 3: Abuse of their three year old foss daughter, so three. Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh god, I thought the age was older. That's really terrible.
Speaker 3: They killed their child and it's the winner of the show.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like so it's like it was.
Speaker 2: It was just a connection to that case where the
Speaker 2: that you know, reality TV is fucked up, Well everyone is.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what the lesson is here,
Speaker 2: but that it still happens and bad people are on television.
Speaker 3: If you didn't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so go ahead and take Worse Cooks in America
Speaker 1: off your DVR, because I don't think that that's We're
Speaker 1: not watching that anymore.
Speaker 3: And then someone was like, well that sucks for the
Speaker 3: people that were like, I'm gonna be on TV. And
Speaker 3: then it's like, oh, no, you're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we thought we were taking you guys through one
Speaker 1: episode that didn't have anything to do with child death
Speaker 1: or rape, and just so you know, we squeezed it
Speaker 1: in at the end. So uh, But what we learned
Speaker 1: from this episode is youth is overrated. You don't need
Speaker 1: to actually a young dude. You don't need to like
Speaker 1: leave your wife and start dating someone your daughter's age
Speaker 1: to feel youthful. I think there's a lot of other
Speaker 1: things you can do, get botox, pick up, kite surfing.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you, but like, let's
Speaker 1: you don't have to your kid is gonna murder your
Speaker 1: new girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I also would like to say I learned if if
Speaker 2: there's a plan on how to get rid of the body,
Speaker 2: follow through on the plan. Don't just throw the body
Speaker 2: on the tracks like she went, go to Florida, commit
Speaker 2: you know, go all the way. It seems weird to
Speaker 2: try to get away with a crime. Only eighty percent
Speaker 2: when you deviate from the plan, you get caught. I
Speaker 2: think we've learned that, yes, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you're into geocashing, you need to take a
Speaker 1: deep breath and just calm down.
Speaker 8: You're you.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be in old subway tunnels and
Speaker 1: not caring that you just found a woman's dead body
Speaker 1: and only care about.
Speaker 3: A yo yo that you need to find.
Speaker 2: I think I would like to say, if your boss
Speaker 2: is buying you tit and plans, maybe his characters in questions.
Speaker 1: Something's up, something's up up. You're going to be expected
Speaker 1: to do a lot if your boss gets you implants.
Speaker 1: But also we want to know if anyone please write
Speaker 1: to us if you have had a job that has
Speaker 1: let you have paid for your plastic surgery.
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I would love this to happen to me, actually,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to try to listen to my own
Speaker 2: advice here. Don't get married within forty eight hours of
Speaker 2: meeting somebody. Oh yes, the real case, Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 2: forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: You gotta wait. You gotta wait a week, you know,
Speaker 3: you get to wait a long time.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait some time, and find inner peace in your
Speaker 2: life that you're not looking for so many external like
Speaker 2: validation things like you're not looking for money or a
Speaker 2: Mercedes or to be on television for your happiness, because
Speaker 2: it'll never fully fulfill you. So make sure you're working
Speaker 2: on yourself inside out.
Speaker 1: And if the cops are approaching you on your boat
Speaker 1: and you're smoking a joint, you should not try to
Speaker 1: shoot a flairgun at them, and try to escape on
Speaker 1: a dinghy like it's just a joint. You're going to
Speaker 1: be okay. I'm sure you'll you'll be fine, like weed
Speaker 1: charges are. I just don't think that that was that's
Speaker 1: a great move. And also I've learned I'm happy to
Speaker 1: go on a date with Stabler as my sugar daddy.
Speaker 3: Sorry, oh yeah, was that a a new thing you
Speaker 3: learned just now? Yes, just because you know what I
Speaker 3: liked about it.
Speaker 1: He didn't know about he didn't know the ins and outs,
Speaker 1: so he was like what does that mean? He was
Speaker 1: like very vulnerable as the sugar daddy, and I liked that.
Speaker 1: That was like a part of Stabler you don't usually get.
Speaker 2: Also, if the cops come to question you about a
Speaker 2: person using your internet service, don't then delete their profile, like,
Speaker 2: don't give them more evidence.
Speaker 3: Like that to me was crazy where it's like why
Speaker 3: you know that they know that you're a part of it,
Speaker 3: Like what are you doing? Come on, come on vance.
Speaker 1: If you own the url tastysugar dot com, you're smart. Congratulations.
Speaker 3: Also, if you are looking for a sugar baby, I'm available.
Speaker 3: I need a car.
Speaker 1: And that's all I learned from this, very very Tasty
Speaker 1: sugary episode. Okay, everybody, it's time for what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg Do? This is our weekly segment where we direct
Speaker 1: you towards resources, articles, organizations that can shed more light
Speaker 1: on a topic that we've covered in today's episode. Obviously,
Speaker 1: today's episode involved sex work. We had a different organization
Speaker 1: in mind, but we decided to pivot based on the
Speaker 1: horrific tragedies that happened when Asian run massage parlors in
Speaker 1: Atlanta were targeted this week and eight people were killed,
Speaker 1: the majority of them being women and.
Speaker 3: The majority of them being Asian.
Speaker 1: Which this is something we touched on a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago with our counselor its Chinatown episode, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about how hate crimes against the Asian American
Speaker 1: community have skyrocketed. So this is a obviously horrific turn
Speaker 1: of events. But we'd like to direct you guys to
Speaker 1: an organization called Red Canary Song. Their website is Red
Speaker 1: Canary Song. Lisa and I have donated to them. They
Speaker 1: are a grassroots collective that works solely from grants and donations.
Speaker 1: They're going to be donating to the families of the victims.
Speaker 1: They work very hard on decriminalizing sex work, and they're
Speaker 1: just they're a great organization that we've heard a lot
Speaker 1: of great things about. So we decided to direct your
Speaker 1: guys attention towards them, and we've donated. So if you
Speaker 1: have the means, please donate. Please go to their website
Speaker 1: find out how you can get involved. But yeah, this
Speaker 1: was a really really horrific crime. In the way that
Speaker 1: the media is handling it is making me insane that
Speaker 1: they're not just like calling him a racist and a
Speaker 1: white supremacist.
Speaker 2: Like the points a lot of social media posts I've
Speaker 2: seen have made is like why are we listening to
Speaker 2: what this guy says. It's like he said it wasn't racist,
Speaker 2: so let's believe him, And it's like, right, what planet
Speaker 2: are we living on? Yeah, and what why are police
Speaker 2: excusing a mass murderer and giving reasons why he did it.
Speaker 2: It's just like, on top of the crime and the
Speaker 2: murder and these families that are going to be affected forever,
Speaker 2: then it's like another attack to see how it's being
Speaker 2: handled and ignored and how this person's being defended and
Speaker 2: a slap in the face to everyone that's been killed
Speaker 2: by police. It's just like brutalization over and over again
Speaker 2: outside of even the crime, and it's just really disappointing.
Speaker 2: And I feel like we've been kind of being warned
Speaker 2: about what's happening for this whole year, since the moment.
Speaker 2: As soon as our former president was saying racist stuff,
Speaker 2: people were like, this is dangerous, and we kind of
Speaker 2: ignored it as a culture, and we had lots of
Speaker 2: other things and causes and situations, but this was like
Speaker 2: an es, it's been happening, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, and it has now fully escalated and people
Speaker 1: are getting assaulted on the streets and murdered, and we.
Speaker 3: Definitely have to people need to be talking about this
Speaker 3: and we need to call it what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not The cop who gave the
Speaker 1: press conference yesterday was like, this is just a guy
Speaker 1: who had a really bad day, Like fuck you, Like,
Speaker 1: do you know how many women have bad days and
Speaker 1: don't murder people? Like it's just not that's just not
Speaker 1: an okay way to frame it. And like I got
Speaker 1: into an argument with my husband because he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: but why are we focusing on the words of like
Speaker 1: a stupid cop, Like let's just get this guy and
Speaker 1: figure out what he did, like why he did it,
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. I'm like, because it's the whole narrative,
Speaker 1: Like the whole narrative that this guy had a bad
Speaker 1: day completely erases the fact that it was a hate crime.
Speaker 1: You know. So I think it is important. The words
Speaker 1: that we used to talk about these things are important.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it's also the sympathy that we give white
Speaker 2: mass murderers that we don't give to I don't know
Speaker 2: a black man selling cigarettes outside of bodega that's choked
Speaker 2: to death, you know what I mean. And so it's
Speaker 2: like we're giving humanity to a fucking killer that we
Speaker 2: refuse to give to anybody else.
Speaker 3: I think that's why it's important.
Speaker 2: And unless you're a forensic psychologists, why do we need
Speaker 2: to understand this?
Speaker 3: Motherfucker?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What is I don't understand this in need of like, well,
Speaker 3: why did he do it?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter the people he killed don't fucking care
Speaker 2: what he thought happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's really upsetting.
Speaker 2: And I know, like what leads to it is I
Speaker 2: used to for sure do funny Asian jokes, like I
Speaker 2: was very into pushing the line of comedy and being
Speaker 2: edgy and like we've all kind of been there. And
Speaker 2: I remember someone said, like, instead of focusing on these
Speaker 2: bad jokes, you made like focus on why you felt
Speaker 2: so comfortable making fun of the Asian community and why
Speaker 2: it's so accepted, And that really changed everything for me.
Speaker 2: And it's like we all have to realize that the
Speaker 2: words we use and how we what we laugh at,
Speaker 2: and what we take seriously or not like truly affects
Speaker 2: people's lives and adds to the vibe that a lot
Speaker 2: like that excuses this I don't even know I shouldn't
Speaker 2: use the word vibe when we're talking about something so serious,
Speaker 2: but like saying kung flu matters, Like those things add
Speaker 2: and like fucking idiots hear that and then go hit
Speaker 2: people in the streets. It's like what we say and
Speaker 2: what we think is not important enough that we could
Speaker 2: just make fun of. Like we just have to kind
Speaker 2: of think about all of that, especially as comics who
Speaker 2: want to be funny and laugh at all these things.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, why where do these jokes come from? Right?
Speaker 1: Why would you feel comfortable making that joke about this
Speaker 1: community but not that community?
Speaker 3: Like what does that say?
Speaker 1: About Yeah, totally, it's definitely something good to examine.
Speaker 2: And on Twitter, Robin Trand posted one of her old
Speaker 2: jokes and it's like the movies about the Vietnam War
Speaker 2: a so fucked up where it will be like a
Speaker 2: shot of all these dead Vietnamese people and then a
Speaker 2: close up of a white soldier being like, oh no,
Speaker 2: it's like, what, like do we have to feel sorry
Speaker 2: for Tom Cruise now? And then she's like, can you
Speaker 2: imagine if that was reversed? And it was like a
Speaker 2: bunch of dead white kids, and then they turned to
Speaker 2: an Asian dude going whoops, I guess we made a mistake,
Speaker 2: like and it was just like a very funny joke.
Speaker 2: I thought that, Yeah, Robin Tran on Twitter if you
Speaker 2: want to check her out.
Speaker 3: And then this is a little bit of a pivot.
Speaker 2: But I know in the past we've asked you guys
Speaker 2: to write letters to the parole board for Cameron Hooker
Speaker 2: and Craig Pyre, and I checked in since March was
Speaker 2: when the hearings are happening, and I just want to
Speaker 2: say I found no information on Craigs. But Cameron Hooker's
Speaker 2: hearing is March thirtieth, and so you still have time
Speaker 2: after hearing this, if you can write a letter to
Speaker 2: the pro board and the governor to make sure that
Speaker 2: he has not released do it for Colleen stan because
Speaker 2: the month is not over you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you can, just everybody try to do
Speaker 1: your best to look up some articles, figure out, talk
Speaker 1: to people, tweet, donate whatever you can do to just
Speaker 1: get the message out there that the Asian American and
Speaker 1: Pacific islander communities have been greatly affected in this past
Speaker 1: year and probably for years previous. But you know, it
Speaker 1: is an escalating trend right now that is upsetting and terrible. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for listening today. Our episode next week is going
Speaker 1: to be Conscience, which is season six, episode six. You
Speaker 1: can obviously, as usual, get those episodes on Peacock, on
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