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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to a brand new edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. I'm Jim Hayes, joined by Matt Holliday and

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Speaker 1: Kyle Gibson. Generally speaking, we're also joined by Lance Lynn.

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Speaker 2: He's on a hunting trip. He was supposed to be here.

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Speaker 1: We thought we would talk to him via tree stand

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Speaker 1: of some sort, or maybe with a carcass, posing with

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Speaker 1: a carcass.

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Speaker 2: It didn't happen. But gentlemen, it's nice to see you guys.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you. To see Jim as always, it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like you're that sincere Matt Well. The off

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Speaker 1: season is now upon us, and in Saint Louis, that

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Speaker 1: means it's time time. I'm Bloom takes over as the

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Speaker 1: president of baseball Operations. He's been around with the organization

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Speaker 1: for over a year, so he knows the lay of

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Speaker 1: the land and he knows the cards that he's been dealt.

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Speaker 1: He's already made some improvements to certain areas, beefed up

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Speaker 1: things at the minor league level, the developmental level. But

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Speaker 1: now he's got the ball. So Matt Holliday, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: start with you. What should job one now be for?

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Speaker 1: Heind bloom.

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Speaker 4: Uh, well, I think you have to decide how well.

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Speaker 4: First of all, you should already know kind of the

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Speaker 4: areas that you're going to target as far as improving

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Speaker 4: your your major league roster. I think that you start

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Speaker 4: to look and you're starting to see guys opt in,

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Speaker 4: opt out of their their options and their their Uh

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Speaker 4: there's there's new free agents coming into into the free

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Speaker 4: agent pool that maybe you didn't expect. So I think

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Speaker 4: just just continuing to gather information as you head into

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Speaker 4: the general managers meetings where a lot of talks start

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Speaker 4: to begin on as far as trades go, you start

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Speaker 4: thinking about, I guess, I'm sure he knows his budget

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Speaker 4: as far as free agents go.

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Speaker 3: As far as.

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Speaker 4: Filling in the major league team, what are your goals?

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Speaker 4: Is your goals again, as we've talked about before. Are

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Speaker 4: your goals to win the World Series in twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 4: Are your goals to take a step closer to the playoffs?

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Speaker 4: Are your goals to continue to develop younger players and

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Speaker 4: give guys like JJ Weatherholt and potentially like a team

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Speaker 4: Kints or you know, some of the other young talented

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Speaker 4: So I think I'm sure they have this game plan,

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Speaker 4: but I think the next step for me is probably

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Speaker 4: deciding what free agents you might be in on, and

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Speaker 4: then you start to gather information on trade value. Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know they've talked about trade and Nolan and Sonny

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Speaker 4: to get to move, and then you know what you

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Speaker 4: can get in return.

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Speaker 1: Now it's hard to know what he's gonna do, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: but Hein Bloom has basically said we want to be

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Speaker 1: long term, so they will have an eye towards the

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Speaker 1: current team and do the best they can because he

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Speaker 1: said they want to be competitive, but they also want

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Speaker 1: to do it right for the long term.

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Speaker 2: Kyle. So when you look at this ball club.

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Speaker 1: You played for him, uh, you know before, and I

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Speaker 1: know you're keep in touch with some folks and the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: what areas would you look at if you're Hein Bloom

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Speaker 1: in terms of the upcoming season.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think one of the one of

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Speaker 5: the more fun discussions we had Jim was, you know,

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Speaker 5: a few weeks ago with you Lance and I about

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Speaker 5: you know, kind of what we would do if if

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Speaker 5: we were in him shoes, And you know, I think personally,

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Speaker 5: I feel like this is a team that with a

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's being a little bit of a homer since

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Speaker 5: I was on the team. I don't know, but I

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Speaker 5: agree with everything Matt said. I think the one thing

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Speaker 5: that I would add is they have a lot of

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Speaker 5: they need to figure out with extra outfielders and extra infielders,

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Speaker 5: And not that you have to trade or release those guys,

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Speaker 5: but you kind of have to have a plan going

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Speaker 5: fit on our major league roster. Do we want to

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Speaker 5: at a later date. So they just have some guys

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Speaker 5: decision time is going to have to be here sooner

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Speaker 5: they are, you know, what's their role going to be?

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Speaker 1: I think they do have a plan in place. And look,

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Speaker 1: Sonny Gray has already said he'd be open to a

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Speaker 1: then Nolan said he'd be open to more teams this

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Speaker 1: And Matt, I know you're good friends with Nolan Arnato.

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Speaker 1: How do you think this all shakes out for him?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think he's he gets dealt. He

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Speaker 4: in Nolan's career, you know, it's you got to find

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Speaker 3: There has to be a need from the team. And

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: I think that there's there's gotta be some willingness on

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Speaker 3: I don't know where. It'll be interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of that comes down to where

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Speaker 4: does does Alex Bregman end up back in Boston and

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Speaker 4: The day, when we're talking about Nolan, uh March first,

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Speaker 4: kind of depends on you know, as far as return goes,

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Speaker 3: So we'll see. It's uh, it's uh, it's gonna be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Nolan.

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Speaker 3: Jim.

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Speaker 5: I got a question, Jim. I know I did this

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Speaker 5: in our last I did this, was serving it up,

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Speaker 5: you know on the previous podcast. Question kind of step

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Speaker 5: in here. Yeah, maybe I'm just maybe I don't really

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Speaker 5: and making the goal of trading him out front? Do

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Speaker 5: we feel like last offseason that kind of, in my

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Speaker 5: that's what the plan was. And then I feel like,

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Speaker 5: what if they use that against them, saying, oh, well

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Speaker 5: they want to move him anyway, so it's not give

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Speaker 5: him as much, you know in the deal. I don't know,

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Speaker 5: a little bit last year.

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Speaker 1: And there's no question he was heard at the tail

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Speaker 1: end of last season wanted to come back, came back

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Speaker 1: looked like Nolan and that his offensive numbers have dropped off,

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Speaker 1: But that guy highlight real defense game in and game out,

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Speaker 1: and he showed he still has it and there's still

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Speaker 1: do you think, Matt, I mean, do you think maybe

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Speaker 1: the approach is wrong in terms of how they're handling Nolan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I thought that last year to some

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Speaker 4: extent of you know why, But I look, they pretty

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Speaker 4: much you know, when you do the swan song and

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Speaker 4: the farewell uh ending of last year, I think they're

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Speaker 4: they're pretty much saying that, you know, they're they're willing

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Speaker 4: you said, Kyle, I think there's certainly hurts your leverage.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know that you can still take

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Speaker 4: him back. I mean, I guess just like this year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: that he could come back and play third for the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals next year. But it certainly felt like both sides

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Speaker 4: are gonna do whatever it takes, and I don't ever

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Speaker 4: think that that helps your leverage to make that kind

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Speaker 4: the fan is getting an opportunity to give Nolan, uh,

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Speaker 4: Kyle said, it's it's it's certainly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm negotiating with them, I'm I'm I know.

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Speaker 4: That they're they're already have kind of moved on, So

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Speaker 4: we'll see. But yeah, I don't. I don't really see

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Speaker 2: So, Kyle, I got to ask you this.

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Speaker 1: So as the Cardinals are shoveling things and figuring out,

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Speaker 1: like you said, who they want to keep, where they

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Speaker 1: want to go, what this team is going to look

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Speaker 1: like in this coming season, I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 1: who do you think is most likely going to be

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Speaker 1: trade and outside the guys we talked about arenatdo maybe Wilson,

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Speaker 1: maybe Sonny. And I'm not talking about guys you think

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Speaker 1: should be traded. I'm just talking about guys that you

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Speaker 1: that they'll be willing to give up more.

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Speaker 5: But that's why I'm sitting here, and I was only

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt, I'm gonna put it to you, and

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Speaker 1: I'm again I'm not saying who should be traded. I'm

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Speaker 3: You know, that have value.

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Speaker 3: So if you could, if you could trade a Donovan

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Speaker 3: A lot.

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Speaker 4: But I think when you're in the position the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: But I think probably if you're talking about somebody, maybe

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 4: But it certainly feels like they're probably going to trade

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Speaker 4: I think they've said in some ways they want to

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Speaker 4: I would argue that if you make if you make

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I guess you know, if I had to.

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Speaker 5: But sorry, Jim, I don't mean to cut you off.

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Speaker 5: I think it will also be interesting on a guy

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Speaker 1: Potential work stoppage to me, is a backdrop for this

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Speaker 5: You know, we're here with us, all right, you know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the I know he hits the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had trouble staying on the field because of injuries.

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Speaker 1: some we've talked about before, but as the Cardinals try

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Speaker 1: to project their future, you have to look at Jordan

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Speaker 1: Walker because we all know how talented he is, and

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Speaker 1: he's had ups and he's had downs, and then he's

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Speaker 1: had more downs. So, Matt, you're a veteran guy who's

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Speaker 1: been around baseball a long time, you have kids who

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Speaker 1: played professional baseball, and if you were handling Jordan Walker,

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Speaker 1: I know, you know is very talented. How would you

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Speaker 1: handle trying to get him back on track that he

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Speaker 1: can be something that will benefit the Cardinals?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I think that you know, you can

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Speaker 4: talk about swing mechanics, you can talk about him needing

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Speaker 4: to hit the ball in the air more. Obviously, the

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Speaker 4: physicality would want you to hit the ball in the

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Speaker 4: air when you hit it that hard. So look, I

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Speaker 4: think that if I was working with him, I would

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Speaker 4: I would just try to find out where he's comfortable.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of times when you start trying

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Speaker 4: to make big hitting adjustments or try to try to

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Speaker 4: create a different outcome, particularly when it comes to hitting

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Speaker 4: it higher, guys get uncomfortable and they get they don't

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Speaker 4: know where to put their hands. They they don't know

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Speaker 4: what they want to do with their stride and my

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Speaker 4: leg kick guy, my toe tap guy, my just a

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Speaker 4: stride guy.

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Speaker 3: You know, do I do? I?

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Speaker 4: So I think I would want him to get comfortable,

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Speaker 4: And then I think there's a couple tweaks with how

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Speaker 4: you how you load your body to where you make

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Speaker 4: contact a hair further out front. I don't want him

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Speaker 4: trying to pull the ball in the air like. I

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Speaker 4: don't think that's a good hitting approach, and I don't

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Speaker 4: think that's effective anyways. But I do think there's ways

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Speaker 4: that if if you get your mechanics just slightly tweaked

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Speaker 4: to wear the ball, you're you're not coming forward, You're

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Speaker 4: not coming forward as the ball's coming in, and then

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Speaker 4: you're you're constantly always hitting it on to the top

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Speaker 4: because you're moving forward, the ball's coming fast. Where you know,

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Speaker 4: get him to kind of remain over his backside a

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Speaker 4: little longer so that you know that the contact point

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Speaker 4: is a little bit more behind his his head's more

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Speaker 4: behind and and he he can drive the ball to

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Speaker 4: right center more. I think tapping into his his power

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Speaker 4: potential for me is more to right center than it is.

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Speaker 3: To the pool side. So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that again, he's another guy where

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Speaker 4: you look at potential and you dream on what his

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Speaker 4: upside could be.

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Speaker 3: But you know he's still young.

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Speaker 4: But at some point, like the production if you're going

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Speaker 4: to play in the playoffs, the production in a in

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Speaker 4: a corner outfield spot, you can't I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Kyle could probably pull it up. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: his ops was this year, but you can't.

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Speaker 4: You can't have a right fielder that that isn't producing

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Speaker 4: you know, uh some power and and A and a

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Speaker 4: in a in a pretty high I think I do admire.

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Speaker 4: I think he has gotten better in the outfield. He

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Speaker 4: seems to be moving around better out there and he

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Speaker 4: has a very strong arm. But he's another one for

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Speaker 4: me is is uh is a question mark. I think

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Speaker 4: this is a big year for him. As far as

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Speaker 4: is he part of your future or not. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: need to see a little bit more, you know, consistent

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Speaker 4: production for me to consider him like a pillar moving forward.

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Speaker 1: And with Jordan, he got some coaching when he was

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Speaker 1: at Double A and he just basically said, they simplified it.

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Speaker 2: They they moved his.

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Speaker 1: Hands out a little further and they told him the

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Speaker 1: main thing is is kind of you touched on him

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Speaker 1: at is They just want him to have his body

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Speaker 1: moving forward towards the ball now pulling off and he

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Speaker 1: and he got it for a while and then he

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Speaker 1: fell back into some bed. Have it so, Kyle, My

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Speaker 1: question is like on a pitching standpoint, you know, guy's

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Speaker 1: got great stuff, right, and the mechanics just keep kind

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Speaker 1: of getting messed up along the way.

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Speaker 2: How do you know, how.

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Speaker 1: Would you try to fix up with a young pitcher

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Speaker 1: who you've seen do it, who you know there were

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Speaker 1: some adjustments mechanically that were made, but then he loses

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Speaker 1: it again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I got a really good piece of

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Speaker 5: advice somewhere in like twenty sixteen twenty seventeen. I had

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Speaker 5: struggled in twenty sixteen, and I was in my head

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Speaker 5: trying to get back to where I was in twenty fifteen, right,

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Speaker 5: And the piece of advice was, it's really easy to

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Speaker 5: chase ghosts, and you need to be real with the

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Speaker 5: player that you are right now, and be honest with

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Speaker 5: the player that you are right now. Jordan Walker obviously

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Speaker 5: had a great rookie season, right, you know, seven eighty

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Speaker 5: seven ops. You know, looking at the numbers, awesome, all right,

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Speaker 5: He's now two years removed from that, and he might

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Speaker 5: be a little bit different player, and that's okay, he

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Speaker 5: but he is only twenty three years old about to

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Speaker 5: be in his twenty four year old season. There's no

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Speaker 5: way in my mind that you give up on that

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Speaker 5: guy unless you're just blown away by the offer, you know,

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Speaker 5: getting like a pitching prospect. But I think if I'm

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Speaker 5: talking to Jordan, like, listen, buddy, I know everybody wants

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Speaker 5: to see you in that rookie year production, but we

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Speaker 5: can't be chasing ghosts, all right. You've got to become

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Speaker 5: the best form of the player who are right now

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Speaker 5: let's take your strengths. Let's you know, really expand on

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Speaker 5: those and how we can help get them to show

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Speaker 5: up on a daily basis. And that's, you know, to

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Speaker 5: your point, that's what I would tell a picture. It's like, Hey,

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Speaker 5: the league has now seen you for three years, what

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Speaker 5: are your strengths. What can we do to build on

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Speaker 5: those strengths and to use what you have right now

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Speaker 5: because you may not be the exact same guy that

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Speaker 5: you were two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, Really good stuff as always. That's going to do

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Speaker 1: it for this week from Matt Holiday for Kyle Gibson

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Speaker 1: and lanceln who's in a tree stand somewhere or maybe

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Speaker 1: gutting an Elk, I don't know, but that's gonna do it.

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Speaker 5: He's a whitetail season, Jim. It's whitetail season, not Elk.

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Speaker 5: He's in Ohio, not Montana. Come on next, I'm talking

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Speaker 5: about which beat riders are getting kicked off by the way,

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Speaker 5: just letting you know that was unfair that we didn't

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Speaker 5: touch on that subject.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we will start with that and I will brush

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Speaker 1: up on my hunting season so I know what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. That's gonna do it for this edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next time. Hopefully that edition

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Speaker 1: won't suck.