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Speaker 1: Good morning, Jerry, How are you hey, guys? Sean R J.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning. Who were you rooting for last night?

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Speaker 1: In Monday night football? Boy? I couldn't figure it out

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Speaker 1: one and I wish Washington and one after that happened

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Speaker 1: to that point the way, Uh, Jerry, when you look

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Speaker 1: it's Does it feel like it's yours to lose right now?

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Speaker 1: With the way your defense is playing with it's only

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Speaker 1: a one game lead. You got the Eagles game coming up,

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Speaker 1: but do you feel like you're definitely in the driver's seat. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know we have them. It's more than I can say.

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Speaker 1: But you know, as you say that, the only thing

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Speaker 1: we want to concentrate on to the next game. Well, ironically,

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Speaker 1: I think this next game is excuse me, what it's

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Speaker 1: all about? Uh? Philadelphia is sitting there with a certainly

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Speaker 1: capable of we capable of winning the division, and in

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Speaker 1: my mind here at home, this does become such a

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Speaker 1: huge game for us. We have all of them, respect

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Speaker 1: and awareness that Philadelphia and play. They've got that spoons back.

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Speaker 1: For instance, they didn't have first half. So I can

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Speaker 1: actually sit here like a coach and say, all we've

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Speaker 1: got our mind owner is the next game, Philadelphia is

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Speaker 1: the key. We beat them, then I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot more. Let's say this, I feel like our

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Speaker 1: do that game. Jerry, how are you feeling about the

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Speaker 1: return of tiring for that Eagles game? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that I'm just amazed that we were able to play

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Speaker 1: that I feel we're going to have him, and I

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Speaker 1: do everything you can evaluate right now, then there's no

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Speaker 1: question that should give us a lift for our offense. Yeah, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: when you the rap on the Cowboys was oh, if

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Speaker 1: Tyrant's gone and Sean Lee's gone, then they're gone. And

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Speaker 1: I know that was a major issue for you in

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Speaker 1: the off season to correct you. Guys are six and

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Speaker 1: past few weeks without Tyran. I mean, how great do

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Speaker 1: you feel about fixing those two major issues that have

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Speaker 1: cost you guys in the past. Well, I look at

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Speaker 1: it obvious safe from its most positive way, and that

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Speaker 1: is there's help on the way and if we can

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Speaker 1: play at the level we played against the Saints, and

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Speaker 1: all of our players know, our staff knows, we all

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Speaker 1: know that with Tyrn, with Sean Lee, we should be better.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones joys here. I want to fire through the fan.

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Speaker 1: Stephen said yesterday that there's a outside shot to get

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee back this week. Once Sean Lee does finally return,

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Speaker 1: what would he get a starting job back? Yes, and

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Speaker 1: he needs to be in the You'll have a rotation,

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Speaker 1: but certainly with the player of his stature, and you ask, well,

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Speaker 1: has he earned it. I've said the other day that

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Speaker 1: that Sean has had as much to do with how

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Speaker 1: Vandrish has evolved as his coaches have, and he's an

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Speaker 1: outstanding individual to have in the room with those linebackers,

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Speaker 1: the field. So he creates a wonderful situation for us.

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Speaker 1: One he's healthy and we're all going to look at

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Speaker 1: the idea of not wrestling back and having any risks

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Speaker 1: fast as well. Jerry, this isn't confrontational. I just need

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Speaker 1: the year. My counter to that is, well, vandersh maybe

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Speaker 1: You just can't afford to have him off the field

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Speaker 1: at all. Help set me straight on that that circumstances

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Speaker 1: are not the same. Layton's playing much better even than

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Speaker 1: And and of course he's even an exception to this rule,

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Speaker 1: And so we can look to him playing better apps

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Speaker 1: But Shanley is make no mistake about it. When he's right,

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Speaker 1: we've got in Smith. You you just got to have

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Speaker 1: a great problem. Now, how are things looking for David Irving?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I think that the issues with David are

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Speaker 1: high ankle spring. Right, don't mistake about it. He had

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Speaker 1: a serious high ankle spring. So we're waiting on that

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Speaker 1: to get better. So, Jerry, I'm curious with that defensive

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Speaker 1: five in yards. How in this, in this age of

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Speaker 1: you know, putting up thirty and thirty four points a game,

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Speaker 1: how far do you think a defense first formula can

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Speaker 1: take you? In today's think? You know, you know, every

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Speaker 1: have the big plays, the twenty yards or more play.

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Speaker 1: That big plays are made against the good defense. And

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Speaker 1: so I submit to you that with the way these

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Speaker 1: adage of defense when championships, in my mind, is still there. Jerry,

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Speaker 1: it feels like Rod Marinelli has gotten lost in this mix.

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Speaker 1: Chris Rossard has the emotion, and he's kind of the

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Speaker 1: you know, we all love talking to him. But just

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Speaker 1: I would say that defense depends so much, so much

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Speaker 1: the extreme effort, pushing yourself to the extreme effort. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not uncommon for a player to have loaps loaves,

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Speaker 1: that's the right word, lopes on defense. They're graded by

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Speaker 1: numbers of loafs. To some degree, they're basically taking a rest.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to have the charge that you have to

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Speaker 1: It's been said that you're lucky to get twenty excellent

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Speaker 1: that is about effort, will power, attitude, all of those things.

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Speaker 1: And Rodney and lle is the master and he'll fire

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Speaker 1: and it's really one of the big pluses of our youth. Jerry,

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Speaker 1: differently about how far this team can go this year? Yes,

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Speaker 1: And the main reason is not that all of a

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Speaker 1: oh five through the fan. You know, we're still hopped

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Speaker 1: how long that took. Now, Kareem Hunt has a situation

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Speaker 1: the Kareem Hunt saga, especially considering they didn't even interview him. Well,

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Speaker 1: That is, yes, keeping them very close eye and have

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Speaker 1: a teen interest and how that is playing out. But

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Speaker 1: very interested. And it's a it's a challenging area of

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Speaker 1: what we're about. You know, everyone has no tolerance or

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Speaker 1: domestic abuse. He wrote tolerance or domestic abuse. And consequently

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Speaker 1: And in other words, you held her hard standard really

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Speaker 1: that's the challenge here, and it is there's a tough challenge,

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Speaker 1: it would really help out have an outside party make

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Speaker 1: Why not just get an outside party and shed that responsibility. Well,

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Speaker 1: In other words, the same person that's doling out making

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Speaker 1: mc double A. They're a great example of how tough

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Speaker 1: it is to be both. Jerry, there's some reports out

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Speaker 1: absolutely thinks he hung the moon. He recruited him, and

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Speaker 1: he gave Texas Tech a serious, serious consideration of going

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Speaker 1: with Cliff Jerry. You got the Metroplex party and man,

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Speaker 1: you guys turned it, turned it around. Keep the winning

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Speaker 1: street going. And here's to that rematch against Philly on Sunday. Boy,

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Speaker 1: you bet, and as it's good to be on it

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Speaker 1: the last time, hung up. I'm superstitious. I want to

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Speaker 1: ready to get we're being your suite or the helicopter.

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Speaker 1: Helicopter ride at the stadium. Well, come home, that did it.

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Speaker 1: We'll do it just like we did last time. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'll promise you. I'll promise you'll ride, and then you'll

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Speaker 1: it goes out. There we go, Jerry, let's keep it going. Superstition.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Alright, go all right, Jerry Jones. Brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Ford, for it is the best in Texas.