1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: That evening, one of the strangest things happened. I looked 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: in the mirror and I said out loud, he is 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: not coming home. And I thought, my god, am I 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: being dramatic? And I dismissed it. 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about 6 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that 7 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: change everything. This is our last Betrayal Weekly episode for 8 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: a little while. We'll be back in May with a 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: whole new season of Betrayal. 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This 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: is Jancanty's story. She grew up in Detroit in the 20 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: nineteen fifties and sixties, It was an era of social change, 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: a time when protests erupted across the country and people 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: demanded equality. It all informed the woman janbecame. 23 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: I loved growing up in Detroit. It was a very 24 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: historical time. I was very active in the women's movement. 25 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Even as a teenager. I was in demonstrations. I wanted 26 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: to make a difference and I did not want to 27 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: grow up and be a housewife and have kids. But 28 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: I lacked role models for how to do that because 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: everybody that I knew that was a woman stayed home 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and at kids. 31 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: Jan didn't know what possibilities were out there for her. 32 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: She loves learning, but she didn't love school. 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Hated high school with a big passion. Hated it capital 34 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: h I thought it was a complete waste of time. 35 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: I just saw it as babysitting. It turned me off 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: to school, and I said I was never going to 37 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: set foot in the classroom again. 38 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: If she could have dropped out of high school, she 39 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: would have, So college wasn't part of her plan. She 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: didn't even know how to apply. 41 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: So I just went from one crap job to another, 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: didn't like any of them, got really bored. So I 43 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: kind of started out really floundering, not knowing what I 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: wanted to do. 45 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: Looking for a little direction, she gave school one last try. 46 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: She started taking classes at her local community college, and 47 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: sure enough. 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I loved it so different than high school. 49 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: It was at community college that she took her first 50 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 2: psychology course. It was a turning point. Working in psychology 51 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: would mean helping others. Plus she found it interesting to me. 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: There's nothing more basic than thought. They can take away 53 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: your family, your health, so on, but they can't take 54 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: away your thought. And that intrigued me. It still does. 55 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: As she began her studies, she was eager to start 56 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: a life on her own, so she moved downtown and 57 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: rented the cheapest place she could find. 58 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: My apartment cost me eighty dollars a month. It had rats, 59 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: It had about six locks on the door. It had 60 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: no kitchen. It was a hot plate, a bathroom, and 61 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: a bedroom. I remember putting my mattress on the floor 62 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: away from the window so the gunshots outside wouldn't beer 63 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: through the window because there was always gunfire at night. 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: But it was home to me, and it was proof 65 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: that I was on my way. 66 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: Still as cheap as it was, if she was going 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: to continue to live there. She needed a job. A 68 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 2: friend told her about a psychologist who was hiring. He 69 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 2: needed help typing up a manuscript. This was right up 70 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: Jan's alley, so she applied, and soon she got a 71 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: call asking for an interview. When she pulled up to 72 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: the office building. 73 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: I noticed you had to pay for parking. I did 74 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: not have two dollars and fifty cents on me to pay, 75 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: so I thought, I'm going to have to ask for 76 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: a loan from my future employer. 77 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: She went inside and immediately felt like a fish out 78 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: of water. 79 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: It was staggering. It had marble and bronze and three 80 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: feet long chandeliers in the corridor, and arches and paintings 81 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: and you name it, very very very elegant. And so 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: I remember walking through through the doors and instantly I 83 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: felt out of place. I'm like, I don't belong here. 84 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: This is fancy. I don't have any money, I'm a phony. 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: I was so nervous, and I had on my best clothes, 86 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: which I bought used and I remember watching people how 87 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: they got to the elevator and how they used the button, 88 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: so I would know how to do it. 89 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: But as she got off the elevator, her nerves faded. 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: When I got off on floor eight. He must have 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: heard the elevator going. He stuck his head out, way 92 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: way down at the end of the hall. He said, oh, 93 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm down here. 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: The psychologist's name was Alan Canty. Jan had been expecting 95 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: a man who matched the building, someone intimidating, formal, classy. 96 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: Alan was anything butt. 97 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: He had a golf shirt on, his pants were too 98 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: short for his shoes. He was bashful, and he was 99 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: very welcoming. He laughed easily. 100 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: The two of them hit it off. Twenty minutes into 101 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: the interview, Alan offered her the job, but before she left, 102 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: she had a favor to ask. 103 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: On my way out, I said, oh, by the way, 104 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: can you deduct two dollars and fifty cents out of 105 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: my paycheck? 106 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: Jan explained that she wasn't able to pay the exit 107 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: fee for the parking lot. Alan just smiled. 108 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: He pulled out of his pocket a roll of cash 109 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: and peeled it off and seemed more than happy to 110 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: give it to me. 111 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: In the beginning, Jan and Allan's relationship was strictly professional. 112 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: After all, he was eighteen years older than her, well educated, 113 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: he came from a wealthy family, to jan Alan was 114 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: elite and accomplished. He was someone to look up to. 115 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: My impression of him was one of respect. Given his 116 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: station in life, I knew I could learn a lot 117 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: from him him in terms of the field of psychology. 118 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: Before long, he started treating her to lunch. 119 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: And I would talk about classes and what I was learning. 120 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: He wanted to give her advice to be a mentor. 121 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: He was the first person to ever express belief in 122 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: my goals, the idea that of course you can go 123 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: to college. Of course you can graduate. Of course you 124 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: can do that. I had never had anybody tell me 125 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: that in my life. It really made a big impression 126 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: on me, and I was so pleased that he saw 127 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: potential in me that nobody else acknowledged or validated. 128 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: He encouraged her to transfer to a four year university 129 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: and get her bachelor's degree, and he helped her pay 130 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: for college by promoting her to receptionist. 131 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: It gave me a raise, and I was so grateful 132 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: for that because I was really barely paying my own tuition, 133 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: and one term I had to sell my car to 134 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: make tuition. And I had started to walk to class 135 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: in those neighborhoods, which was a challenge to get home 136 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: before dark In the winter. 137 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: Alan started giving her rides home at the end of 138 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: the day. He liked looking out for her, and she 139 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: liked being cared for. After a few months, Alan asked 140 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: her out on a date. It didn't really come as 141 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: a surprise. Jan knew they had chemistry. For their first date, 142 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: Alan drove her somewhere she'd never been before. 143 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: It looked like a Rundown neighborhood, and it looked dangerous. 144 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: As Alan pulled up to a house, Jan thought for 145 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: a split second that she might have made a terrible mistake. 146 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: The windows were boarded up and the grass was overgrown. 147 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: The only sign was a little tiny yellow and green 148 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: sign that said lelli'es that's it. 149 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: But as they drove around back. 150 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: The aroma coming from the kit was beyond description, and 151 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: they had a man with a violin in the parking lot. 152 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: It was a fancy restaurant, one of the nicest she'd 153 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: ever been to, and it was hidden, almost like a speakeasy. 154 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: When they stepped inside, the place was decorated with real 155 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: oil paintings, chandeliers, candles, and even roaming musicians. Jan was 156 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: wowed and. 157 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: We talked and talked and talked until we realized we 158 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: were taking up too much time. Like the waiter was 159 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: kind of like, come on, g I. They would change 160 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: over in the table. 161 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: They were enjoying each other's company. Alan wasn't a standout 162 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: when it came to his looks or his charm. He 163 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: was shy, awkward even, but Jan thought a real connection 164 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: with him. 165 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: I liked how he treated me with respect, and he 166 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: always help me with my coat and opened my car 167 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: door and never interrupted me, and was always eager to 168 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: hear about my day. And he'd ask follow up questions, 169 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, like what did you think of that class? 170 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: And what'd you think of that book? And tell me 171 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: more about your parents? Or why do you like that 172 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: singer or whatever it might be. 173 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: Their attraction was rooted in conversation. Jan had never had 174 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: a relationship like this before. 175 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: I felt very lucky because a lot of my friends 176 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: were floundering, you know. Their idea of a date would 177 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: be to go to McDonald's and ride up and down 178 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: Woolbert Avenue. And I was like, I'd rather go to 179 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: the museums. I'd rather have an intellectual discussion. 180 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: And with Alan, she could Here was someone on her level. 181 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: They were spending all day together at work and then 182 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 2: going on dates at night. Pretty soon Jan could picture 183 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: a real future with him. They'd been dating about six months, 184 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: and one morning over breakfast. 185 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: He's very bashful, and I decided, you know, he's never 186 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: going to ask me, so I better ask him. So 187 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I had a paper calendar in my pocket and I 188 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: pulled it out, put it on the table, and I said, 189 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: I think it's about time that we get married. What 190 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: do you think? And he goes, okay, And I took 191 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: my calendar out and it took a pen and I 192 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: stabbed a date. It was a year calendar, and it 193 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: landed on a Saturday in September, and I go, there's 194 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: their date. 195 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: They couldn't wait to be married just a year into dating. 196 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: They had a tiny, no frills ceremony. 197 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: By the time we got married, I was finishing my 198 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: bachelor's and he encouraged me to go for a master's degree. 199 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: When Jan doubted herself. 200 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: He gave me the confidence to go into my master's program. 201 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: And in the era too, women did not go to 202 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: graduate school at all. 203 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: In the early eighties, she started her master's in psychology 204 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: at the University of Michigan. 205 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: I loved it so much I did not even want 206 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: to go home after class was over. I loved everything 207 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: about it. I loved the old, old, old libraries. Ah, 208 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: it was breathtaking. 209 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: During this time, Alan wanted to move into a bigger 210 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: home in a more affluent neighborhood. 211 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: He wanted to have us have our own house together. 212 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: And I said, I have nothing to bring to the table. Nothing. 213 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you could put everything I had in my trunk. 214 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what she did. Jan packed up her pillow, 215 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: clock radio, and a suitcase of clothes, and she moved 216 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: in with Alan and. 217 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: We moved into the six bedroom, six bathroom house. 218 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: The new home he'd bought for them was a Tudor 219 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: revival mansion and one of the most exclusive suburbs of Detroit. 220 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: It was like a public building, it was so big. 221 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: When Jane agreed to move in with him, she only 222 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: asked for one thing. 223 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: I said, what's important to me is if I can 224 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: take one of the bedrooms and turn it into a 225 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: dissertation room. He got me an electric typewriter with a 226 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: little exchange ball so he could change the fonts, and 227 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: he got me there. He got me a bookshelf and 228 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: a lamp, and he bought me a coffee mug that 229 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: he found someplace where. On the inside, if you look 230 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: at it down at the bottom, there's somebody looks like 231 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: they're mountain climbing up the side of the cup on 232 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: the inside. And he called it a struggle cup, and 233 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: he goes, when you get discouraged, look in your struggle 234 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: cup and remind yourself a day at a time, you're 235 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: going to do it. You're going to finish. You have 236 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: what it dates. 237 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 2: In a little over a year, Alan helped transform Jan's life. 238 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: Before she'd met him, she was broke, living in a 239 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: run down apartment, searching for direction. Now she was on 240 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: the path towards becoming a psychologist, and she had a 241 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: beautiful home in a wealthy neighborhood. At the time, she 242 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: was grateful, but looking back now she sees it all 243 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: a little differently. 244 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: He liked rescuing damsels in distress, which I did not 245 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: understand at the time. That's his pattern. 246 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: Once they got married, Alan and Jan were both busier 247 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: than ever. He had a heavy caseload and would often 248 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: work late into the night at his practice. Meanwhile, Jan 249 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: was charging ahead with her master's in psychology, which eventually 250 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: turned into a PhD and then a post doc. 251 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, the hours you put in, I mean, 252 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: seventy hour workweeks were not unheard of. And he was 253 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: very considered about me coming home and going right up 254 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: to my room and just working on my dissertation. 255 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: Alan wasn't exactly the romantic type, but life with him 256 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: was steady easy. 257 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: I felt special, I felt lucky. I felt like I 258 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: had gotten the jackpot. We had a routine. We'd either 259 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: have breakfast together or go out to eat. He liked 260 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: to order the newspaper and read it at night. We 261 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: would have dinner at a prompt time because he often 262 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: worked in the evenings and his home office and I 263 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: would be doing homework. It was comfortable. 264 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: Becoming a psychologist was Jan's sole focus. 265 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: We got to the point when I was finishing my 266 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: doctor and he said, you know, we really ought to 267 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: furnish the living room. We've been in this house for years, 268 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: and I go, oh, yeah, that's a good idea. Like 269 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: I never noticed it. 270 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: Alan took care of her. 271 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: He took care of the bills, income taxes, et cetera, 272 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: et cetera. He managed one hundred percent of it, and 273 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: I was fine with that. I was just glad not 274 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: to have one more thing on my plate. So we 275 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: never argued over money. I never worried about it. 276 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: They stuck to the same old routine as the years 277 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: ticked by. Then in nineteen eighty four, ten years into 278 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: their marriage, Jan noticed a change in Allan. It started 279 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: in November when she traveled to Arizona to be with 280 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: her parents. She'd come down with mono, so she went 281 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: to recover where it was warmer. 282 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: That coincidentally happened to fall on his fiftieth birthday. That night. 283 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: I remember it was his birthday, and I felt like crap, 284 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: and I had such a raging, raw, sore throat. But 285 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: I set my alarm and got up and called him 286 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock and thang, I'm happy birthday, and he 287 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: started tearing up. I thought it was because he was 288 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: worried about me and my health. 289 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: She stayed in Arizona for three weeks. When Jan got 290 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: better and returned to Michigan, Alan seemed disturbed. He was panicked. 291 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: She'd never seen him like this before, and he continued 292 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: to spiral downward for months, and by May of nineteen 293 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 2: eighty five, they decided to admit him to a psychiatric 294 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: hospital for a few weeks of intensive mental health care. 295 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: And he kept saying to me at the hospital when 296 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I was in the process of getting him hospitalized, you're 297 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: pure of snow. You're a snow here as snow. 298 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: What did that mean? The phrase didn't make any sense 299 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: to Jan. Throughout Alan's stay in the psych hospital. 300 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: He kept repeating words saying things like pure snow. I'm 301 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: so bad, birthday, dawn money, pure as snow. I'm so bad, 302 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: I need to stand tall. And I just thought, this 303 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: is just craziness speaking. 304 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: He was having a psychotic break. Eventually, he was released 305 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: from the hospital and he seemed much better, but Jan 306 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: couldn't shake the feeling that something wasn't quite right, and 307 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: that feeling only grew as spring turned to summer. One day, 308 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: Jan was gardening out back and. 309 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: I went back there to trim the lilac bush. And 310 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: this is after days of rain, and I noticed three 311 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: dry cigarette butts on the ground in the mud near 312 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: our kitchen window. And that set off a big red 313 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: flag because they were dry, which meant they were recent. 314 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: It was a small detail, but one that didn't sit 315 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: right with her. Neither she or Alan smoked, and they 316 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: didn't have a gardener or a housekeeper, so that meant 317 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: someone had been standing outside her kitchen window smoking. Jane 318 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 2: imagined a stranger just lurking in her backyard, watching her 319 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: through the window. She checked every room in the house, 320 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: in the basement, all around the perimeter. No one was there. 321 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: Alan was at work, so she left him a message 322 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 2: at his office, but he never returned her call. 323 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: He came home from work and I was livid that 324 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: he had never called me, and he was patronizing and 325 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: he said, well, what do we need to do? Do 326 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: we need to get you a dog? Would that make 327 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: you feel better? I said, what would make me feel 328 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: better is if you return my phone call. Something is 329 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: a myss can't you feel it? You don't find cigarette 330 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: butts out there? Something is a myth. And he just 331 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: started laughing, like, oh, you're so cute. Oh that infuriated me. 332 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: You don't dis somebody's got genuine reasons to be worried. 333 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: With someone casing the house and planning to rob them, 334 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: her mind went to dark places. 335 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: My way of handling stress is to do tasks to 336 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: get busy, and so after this incident, I decided to 337 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: catalog every single thing in our house, how many towels 338 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: did we own? Where was our insurance policies? And put 339 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: it in a photo album so that if somebody was 340 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: going to rob us, because that's what I thought was happening, 341 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: I could say to the insurance company, this is what 342 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: we have. Here's proof of our belongings. Then one day 343 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: I went to go write a thank you note to somebody, 344 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: and I reached up in the closet shelf above my 345 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: head to pull out where I thought was where we 346 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: put the thank you notes and realized that photo album 347 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: had been missing. And I knew for sure that's where 348 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: it should be because I was the only one that 349 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: dealt with it. 350 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: She confronted Alan about it, and. 351 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: He goes, what is with you? I took it to 352 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: I was bragging about you. You don't get it. I 353 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: thought it was a great idea, And he went out 354 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: to his car and he got it and brought it 355 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: back in to show me, and it smelled like cigarettes. 356 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: Alan explained that he wanted to show his colleagues this album. 357 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: He didn't understand Jan's concern. Even with this explanation, she 358 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: still felt uneasy, especially when. 359 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: We started having hang up calls in the middle of 360 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: the night. A couple of the first ones, I grabbed 361 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: the phone, and it was always the same man. He 362 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: had a Southern draw, he sounded like he was drunk, 363 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: and he was always asking for some person. 364 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: JAN didn't know who he was asking for. But every 365 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: few days this man would call back in the middle 366 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: of the night, and every. 367 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: Time I said it was a wrong number and I 368 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: hung up. 369 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 2: But nothing was more unsettling than what happened one evening 370 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: in the beginning of July. 371 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: I was driving a long fox canal on a stormy, 372 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: foggy night, and this car was following me, speeding up 373 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: and then backing off, speeding up and then backing off, 374 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the heck? And we turned the 375 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: corner onto my side street, and I knew that very 376 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: very well, and I knew that there was a dip 377 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: in the road where it turned, And so when I 378 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: got close by, I turned off my lights and sped 379 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: up as fast as I dare do it, drive and 380 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: turn left into my driveway and left onto the grass 381 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: behind the hedge and just sat there, and sure enough 382 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: I watched them come by. They stopped at every driveway 383 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: on our side street, and n Eva stopped at my driveway, 384 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: but they didn't see me and they drove on. 385 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: If one of these things had happened, sure she could 386 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: have chalked it up to paranoia. But the cigarettes, the 387 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 2: photo album, the hang up calls being followed. Something was 388 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 2: off and Alan wasn't taking it seriously. 389 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: Al blew it off. You don't know that they were 390 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: following you. Yeah, they were following me. He was always 391 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: belittling me when it came to issues of safety because 392 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: he wasn't bothered by any of that. 393 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: Then, on July thirteenth, nineteen eighty five, Alan didn't come 394 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 2: home for dinner at his usual time. 395 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: It was a very stormy day. We lost power. It 396 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: was hail, rain, wind, So I wasn't totally shocked when 397 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: he didn't arrive promptly, although that was his pattern because 398 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: of the weather, and I figured the roads were probably impassable. 399 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: But by eleven o'clock that night, I got concerned. And 400 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: this is before cell phone, so there was no way 401 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: to check where he was. And one of the strangest 402 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: things happened that evening. My anxiety was escalating and I 403 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: was pacing. I walked into his home off and he 404 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: had a bathroom attached to it, and I looked in 405 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: the mirror and I said out loud, he's dead. He's 406 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: not coming home. And as soon as I said those words, 407 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck? It was like my voice 408 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: but not my thoughts, and I thought, my god, am 409 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: I being dramatic? This is stress speaking. Of course, he's 410 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: going to be home. And I dismissed it. 411 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: Jan woke up the next morning without Alan in bed 412 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: beside her. He had still not returned. She called friends 413 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: and family and coworkers of his No one had seen him, 414 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: so after twenty four hours, she reported him missing. 415 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: But nothing came of it that day or the next day, 416 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: or the next day or the next day. 417 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: With each day, she grew more and more pain. He 418 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: could have been in a car accident or a carjacking. 419 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: He could have been mugged or kidnapped. After all, it 420 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: was Detroit in the eighties. 421 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: Crime in Detroit was at an all time high at 422 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: that point in history. The statistics were at that time 423 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: that a car was stolen every thirteen seconds. You heard 424 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: sirens day and night. We were working in an area 425 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: that was high crime, so it would not be unthinkable 426 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: that he was a victim of a crime. 427 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: Jan needed support. Her parents flew in from Arizona to 428 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: be with her, but they weren't the only ones at 429 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: her door. 430 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: On about this third day of him being gone, the 431 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: media descended and they never let up at all. They 432 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: were intrusive, they were relentless. They made it a living 433 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: hell for me. Nonetheless, we had to get the word out, 434 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: so they did. Was on the news every time I 435 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: turned around. 436 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: Jan waited. A week went by, then eight days, and 437 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 2: nine days, and then. 438 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: The tenth day, I got a phone call early on 439 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: a Sunday morning from a detective Marless Landero's. She asked 440 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: me to meet her down at the police headquarters. 441 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 2: The detective was outside the building waiting for her. When 442 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: she arrived, they went up in the elevator. 443 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: We got off on floor five, which was homicide, and 444 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: I was called into the office of the Inspector, guilt Hill. 445 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: It was very short meeting. He said, we have reason 446 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: to believe your husband's been murdered, but we don't have 447 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: his body yet, and I suggest you go home and 448 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: check your finances because we've been told that he's been 449 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: handing out a lot of cash down on cast Quarder, 450 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: which is the red light district of Detroit. 451 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: Jan Canty's husband Alan had been missing for over a 452 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: week when she got called into the Detroit police station. 453 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: The investigators suspected that Allan had been murdered, but they 454 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 2: didn't have his body. They'd been investigating his disappearance and 455 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: found something surprising. Allan was well known in Detroit's Red 456 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: lay district. He was often there spending money on sex workers. 457 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: Jan knew her husband to be a bookish, bashful man, 458 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: a psychologist who's spent his free time reading. 459 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: He's got the wrong guy. No, this can't be uh huh. 460 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: He doesn't know my husband. My husband is somebody who 461 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: reads the newspaper every day. He's always home at a 462 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: certain time when he says he's going to be home. 463 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: He's not a ladies man. He doesn't to kill, he 464 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: doesn't do drugs, he doesn't gamble. It's got the wrong guy. 465 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: There's got to be another explanation, and the fact that 466 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: he didn't have a body lent itself to my argument 467 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: that they had the wrong guy. 468 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 2: Jan was incredulous, but with no other leads, she took 469 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: the detective's advice to take a look at Alan's finances. 470 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: Everywhere I look, we were in the red, I mean IRS, 471 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: house payments, office payments. There was no savings account, there 472 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: was no life insurance policy, there was nothing. It turns out, 473 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: when I totaled it up in nineteen eighty five dollars, 474 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: I was thirty thousand dollars in debt and I had 475 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: no income to speak of because I had just finished 476 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: my training. 477 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: A few days later, as she was still making sense 478 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: of the finances, she got another call from the police. 479 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: They had more intel. 480 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: And they said he's been keeping company with John Carl 481 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: Fry Senor and Don Mariice s Bens on Casper Street. 482 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: And they looked at me to see my reaction, and 483 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, like it might as well have been Greek. 484 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: I don't know them. That was the first I'd heard 485 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: of them. 486 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 2: Then the police revealed, we. 487 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: Have found his body and we need you to identify him. 488 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: The detective explained to Jan that they would need to 489 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: go to the Morgue. 490 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: On the way over there. In her very professional and 491 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: caring way, she did her darnedness to prepare me to 492 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: see him in an altered state because he had been 493 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: buried in a bog for ten days in three different places. 494 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: His body had been dismembered. 495 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: Some of his body parts were left done the freeway. 496 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: I didn't have to identify those. What I had to 497 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: identify was his head. My dad said, you can't do 498 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: this by yourself. I'm going to go with you. And 499 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: I said, Dad, this isn't your problem, this is my problem. 500 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,479 Speaker 1: But I could not stand. I could literally not stand. 501 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: It felt like my legs were made out of silly buddy. 502 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,239 Speaker 2: The detective held her up on one side as her 503 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: dad held her up on the other. The experience was 504 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: incredibly traumatic. Jan can't even remember who was in the room. 505 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: I do remember Detective Landero's telling me all you have 506 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: to do is say yes or no. That's it, and 507 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: we're out of here. And when they put his head 508 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: in a table, I couldn't speak and I closed my 509 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: eyes and she was very patient, and then she asked 510 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: me yes or no. He didn't have his glasses on, 511 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: but his hair looked the same, and his eyelashes and 512 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: his eyebrows looked the same. When I said yes, I 513 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: was sure it was him. 514 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: The detective snuck Jan out the back. Camera crews were 515 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: waiting for her out front. The story had become national news. 516 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: On the way home from the morgue, Jen laid down 517 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 2: in the back of the police car. Jan could no 518 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: longer deny the reality her husband was dead and he 519 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: was murdered by people she'd never heard of. And who 520 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: were these people? Well, they were still at large. 521 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: There was an APB for their whereabouts, and they started 522 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: having their faces plastered in the news. 523 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: Jan didn't want to look at the TV, but her 524 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 2: dad insisted. He said, I. 525 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: Want you to know their faces. I don't think they're 526 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: on their way to our house, but you're out and 527 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: about in the community. I want you to be able 528 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: to identify them if you ever see them, and your 529 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: first obligation is to call nine to one one then 530 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: me in that order. So that's the first I knew 531 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: of their faces and connected them with their name. 532 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: Their names were John Carl Fry Senior, and Don Marie Spence. 533 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: As Jan watched the news, she found out for the 534 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: first time who these people were. Down was a sex 535 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: worker and John was her boyfriend. The media ran with 536 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: the story of a wealthy psychologist being sucked into a 537 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: dark love triangle. But could that be true? Jan still 538 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: couldn't fathom it. 539 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: And I'm still like, hell, that doesn't make sense. I 540 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: just couldn't wrap my head or it. 541 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: It was so unlike him, the man she knew was quiet, intellectual, ernest, 542 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: someone who'd get wrapped up in a world like this 543 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: was a different Alan Canty entirely. Jan barely had the 544 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: basic facts of the case. She didn't even know how 545 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: Alan met these people and what their relationship really was. 546 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: But she didn't have the time to look for answers. 547 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: I had so many more urgent, immediate things on my plate. 548 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: I was worried about the irs selling my house, if 549 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: I had AIDS, I was going through AIDS testing. I 550 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: had no time to wonder and think about what did 551 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: he do, what did he say? Where did he go? 552 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: That was a low priority. I was worried about my 553 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: own safety. 554 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: After all, she had been followed. The fear and stress 555 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: were taking a massive toll on her. 556 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't sleeping. I into permanent menopause. I was physically sick. 557 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: I'd lost a lot of my hair, I lost a 558 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: lot of weight. 559 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: Alan had led a double life one She still didn't 560 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: have a clear picture of She was deeply betrayed, but 561 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: she was also grieving. 562 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: I was very defensive, irrationally angry, like I would get 563 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 1: angry at going into the grocery store that they didn't 564 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: make loaves of bread for one person. I was looking 565 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: for things to get angry about. Somebody opened the door 566 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: for me. I'm like, what do they think? I'm weak? 567 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: They got to open the door for me. I didn't 568 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: maybe say anything to him, but internally I was very 569 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: angry all the time. 570 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 2: With Alan dead, there was nowhere for her anger to go. 571 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 2: He couldn't answer for what he'd done. And to make 572 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: matters worse, Alan had kept financial secrets big ones. 573 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: I got it handed a bill for thirty seven thousand 574 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: dollars field for back rent. He'd taken out personal loans, 575 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: He'd forged my name. I was so broke. I didn't 576 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: know how I was going to get through the winter. 577 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: I turned down the heat so much that I had 578 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: frozen pipes. I started eating less. I can serve my 579 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: trips to the store. I walked when I could. I 580 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: sold off everything I could, his car, parts, jewelry, furniture, books. 581 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: One night, I was by myself, as usual, and it 582 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: was a peaceful night. I was sitting by the fire 583 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: at my house. The room was empty. There wasn't a 584 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: stick of furniture in there, because I'd sold it all, 585 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, somehow, some way, I'm going to 586 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: make this a positive thing. I don't know how, I 587 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: don't know when, but I do know why, because if 588 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: I don't, it'll crumble me. 589 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 2: It took two years for Jan to get on steady 590 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: ground after Alan was murdered, and during that time she 591 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 2: was still unaware of who her husband really was and 592 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 2: what he had truly done. Then, in nineteen eighty seven, 593 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 2: Jan got approached by a reporter. He was writing a 594 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 2: book about Alan's case. At first, Jan tried to shut 595 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: the book down. She didn't need anyone showing up on 596 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 2: her doorstep again digging up old wounds. 597 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: I didn't want to speak with him. I didn't want 598 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: anything to do with it. And I went to my 599 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: attorney about it, and he goes, you can't stop it. 600 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: He's writing it based on public records, and in fact, 601 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: there's a reason you should cooperate with them. And I go, 602 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: what's that? And he said, you're going to learn things 603 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: that you need to know. He's going to have the time. 604 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: He's going to have the answers, and if you don't 605 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: get the answers, you'll always wonder. So I'd suggest you 606 00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: meet with him. 607 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: So she did, and through the reporter's findings, the other 608 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 2: Alan Canty finally revealed himself. Here's what she learned. 609 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: She bought our marriage. He had women on the side, 610 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: and every single one of them was in need financially. 611 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: He had offered to put up some in their own apartments. 612 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: He had offered to pay the tuition of others. He 613 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: paid the medical bills of some and even visited them 614 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: in the hospital. There was never a time when he 615 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: was the person I thought he was. 616 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 2: All those late nights that he was working. It was 617 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: really with these women. It was like he had a 618 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 2: pathological desire to save women in need. So when his 619 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 2: mother gave Alan five hundred dollars for his fiftieth birthday. 620 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: He took that money and spent it on Dawn. That's 621 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: the first time he met her. 622 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 2: This was when Jan was sick with mono and resting 623 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: at her parents' place in air Arizona. Jan thought back 624 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 2: to that birthday call when Alan started to cry. Originally, 625 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 2: she thought it was out of concern for her health. 626 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: I think instead it was a little pang of guilt, 627 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: but was short moved. 628 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: The guilt apparently subsided, and Alan continued to spend time 629 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 2: in the red light district where he met Don. There 630 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't the sheepish guy Jan had known. Even smaller 631 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: details didn't square up with what she knew about him. 632 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: For one thing, she discovered. 633 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: He was a very good pool player, and he would 634 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: challenge people playing pool, which I can't even picture him 635 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: in a bar let alone playing pool. 636 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 2: The other Allan spent his nights with Don at bars, 637 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 2: and the reporter told Jan something that changed her understanding 638 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 2: of the whole dynamic. Before Alan died, he'd been hanging 639 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 2: out with Don and John for nine months, so that 640 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 2: time Alan wasn't paying Don for sex. 641 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: They stopped having sex. They only had sex the first 642 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: two months. 643 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: So what was the point of their relationship? Could it 644 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 2: be drugs? The reporter turned to Jan for an answer, 645 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 2: and in her gut she knew it was an addiction 646 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: of a different kind, an addiction to being needed. 647 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: So this was like a guarantee, you know, if I'm 648 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: going to surround myself with people who need me financially, 649 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: I have a guarantee of an audience. I have a 650 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: guarantee of a partner. They're not going to leave me. 651 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 2: He liked having a captive audience. 652 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: He will go over there and read the paper and 653 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: bring them breakfast, and they'd sit and listen with boredom 654 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: to his stories. 655 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: Of course, Don and John got something out of this 656 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 2: relationship too. They were in it for money. Jan was 657 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 2: able to figure out just how much Allan had given them. 658 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: It was one hundred and fifty grand. 659 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 2: In today's money, that's nearly four hundred and forty thousand dollars. 660 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: And that doesn't include the cars he bought them, the 661 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: rent he paid, the meals he paid for. 662 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 2: He also bought them heroin. 663 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: He would take them on drug runs for them, and 664 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: I think that was his making sure they were going 665 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: to be dependent upon him. 666 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 2: This was Alan's m He got people to need him. 667 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,479 Speaker 2: But this time Alan was mixed up with some very 668 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 2: dangerous people. 669 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean even among other criminals. John was feared, that's 670 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: how vicious he was. 671 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 2: Remember those phone calls Jan got in the middle of 672 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: the night, the ones from the man with the Southern 673 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 2: accent that was John Fry. Alan had lied and said 674 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: he was a widower. So when John called the house 675 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 2: and heard Alan's wife on the line, he was surprised. 676 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 2: Then he got an idea he could use that information 677 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 2: to extort Alan, to threaten his wife in exchange for 678 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 2: more and more money, and they drained him dry. 679 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: When he ran out of money, they lost patience with him, 680 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: They had no interest in him and decided, at least 681 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: John decided the best thing to do was just to 682 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: kill him and get him out of their hair. 683 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 2: Near the end, Alan started to see the writing. 684 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: On the wall. He was running out of money to 685 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: give them. He realized that John had been calling our 686 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: house and hanging up. Things were coming to a head, 687 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: and I think he'd decompensated. 688 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 2: That led to Alan's psychotic break, or what Jan had 689 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 2: thought was a psychotic break. She remembered that phrase Alan 690 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 2: kept repeating when he was in the hospital. 691 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: You're purest snow, purest snow, a snow. And I think 692 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: in his mind at that point in time, he was 693 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: seeing Don and me as very different people. 694 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,880 Speaker 2: To Alan, Jan and Don were total opposites. Jan was 695 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 2: the woman he transformed into something good and clean and pure. 696 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 2: Don brought out his dark side. But when Jan learned 697 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 2: more about Don's backstory, it resonated with her. 698 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,840 Speaker 1: Don came from an abusive household and she did not 699 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,280 Speaker 1: have a good self esteem. I mean, she quit school 700 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: a month before she graduated high school and she was 701 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: nominated val victorian. Instead, she threw all that away, left 702 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: the suburbs to go downtown and met up with John, 703 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: and their life took a turn for the worst. 704 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 2: After that, Jan learned of at least four other women 705 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 2: he supported financially. Jan herself had been that young woman 706 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 2: with a lot of potential and no direction to go in. 707 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 2: When she met Alan, her life changed too. 708 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: In a way that was the old me. I mean, 709 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: I had nothing when I met him, and he was 710 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: saying I'll pay your tuition, just like he said it 711 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: to them. 712 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 2: And now, for the first time she saw their relationship 713 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 2: through his eyes. 714 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: It explained to me his attraction to me. You know 715 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: that I was a project. I was a challenged to 716 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: be fixed, to be provided for. I was a good 717 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: prop someone he could perform for with his knowledge and 718 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: his money, and I sat and ate it all up. 719 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: I was a willing participant. 720 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 2: It's a strange feeling, especially considering that Alan helped her 721 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 2: achieve so many dreams. 722 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: I will always be grateful for what he gave me. 723 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 1: I don't mean just financially, but the encouragement. He was 724 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: instrumental in getting me on my path, and I don't 725 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: think I would have done it without him. 726 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: The very things she loved about Alan were the ones 727 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 2: that destroyed him and destroyed her life. John Fry was 728 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 2: eventually convicted of murder and the mutilation of a body. 729 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 2: He served the rest of his life in prison. John 730 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 2: served ten months plus three years probation for her role 731 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 2: in the crime. As for jan she wanted to get 732 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 2: out of Detroit. 733 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: Once I left Detroit and paid off the bills and 734 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: got away from the media and got away from the police, 735 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: I felt like I could start to reinvent my life. 736 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 2: She's lived many lives since that time. She's taught in 737 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 2: practiced psychology, traveled the world, gotten remarried. Still, she couldn't 738 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 2: leave what happened with Alan behind completely. She continued to 739 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 2: think about the man he'd been as both a victim 740 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 2: and a perpetrator. 741 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,960 Speaker 1: What that did was end up in conflicted grief. You 742 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: have dueling emotions. There's a part of you that's like 743 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: the typical grief feel those loss and sadness and missing 744 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: in person, but the other side of it is relief. 745 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 2: Dealing with this complicated grief and trauma made it hard 746 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 2: for Jan to connect with people who could possibly understand 747 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 2: what she'd gone through, but eventually she found community and 748 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,479 Speaker 2: other homicide survivors. 749 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: Homicide survivor is someone who is grieving over the homicide 750 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: of a loved one. It's somebody who's left with the 751 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: aftermath of murder. And the reason we don't know of 752 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,920 Speaker 1: that term is I don't think it's projected much in 753 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: true crime. The focus is on the perpetrator and the 754 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: deed a little bit on the victim, and we're in 755 00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: the background, and nobody cares. They think if we get 756 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: the perpetrator convicted, that that's the end of the story. 757 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: Kind I'm like, oh, if you only knew. 758 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 2: Knowing people who shared even parts of her own experience 759 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 2: give her a deep sense of belonging. 760 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: Now I hold that as near and dear to my heart. 761 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,760 Speaker 1: The people I have met, the stories I have heard, 762 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: it's so healing. It was like the missing piece. 763 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 2: Supporting and advocating for homicide survivors has become Jan's mission 764 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 2: in life. We end all of our episodes with the 765 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 2: same question, why do you want to tell your story? 766 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,279 Speaker 1: If you think about most movies dealing with homicide, the 767 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 1: family of the victim is either never shown or they're 768 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: grieving in the corner wringing their hands, and that's the 769 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: end of them. There's not any curiosity about it. And 770 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is anybody listening could be 771 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: a part of our club. Homicide cuts across all racial lines, age, economic, geographic, 772 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: you name it. Nobody is immune. And if anything's going 773 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: to change, we have to put our story out there. 774 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: Somebody Scott to do it. 775 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,720 Speaker 2: If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal team, 776 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,800 Speaker 2: email us at Betrayalpod at gmail dot com. That's Betrayal 777 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 2: Pod at gmail dot com and be sure to follow 778 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 2: us on Instagram at Betrayal Pod. We're grateful for your support. 779 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 2: One way to show support is by subscribing to our 780 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 2: show on Apple Podcasts, and don't forget to rate and 781 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 2: review Betrayal. Five star reviews go a long way. A 782 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 2: big thank you to all of our listeners. Betrayal is 783 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 2: a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group. 784 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 2: In partnership with iHeart podcast. The show is executive produced 785 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 2: by Nancy Glass and Jennifer Fason, hosted and produced by 786 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 2: me Andrea Gunning. This episode was written and produced by 787 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 2: Kitlyn Golden and Monique le Board, with additional production by 788 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 2: Ben Fetterman. Associate producers are Kristin Mercury and Caitlyn Golden. 789 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 2: Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Krincheck. Audio 790 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 2: editing and mixing by Matt del Vecchio, additional editing support 791 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 2: from Tanner Robbins. 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