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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty seven,

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Speaker 1: Episode one up to daily production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep guy

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Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. Is Monday, Joe, I Holy Cow,

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Speaker 1: which of course means it is to five. You know,

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Speaker 1: Hot Budge Sunday Day, Hot Fudge Sunday Day. Yeah, Hot

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Speaker 1: Fudge Sunday Day. And it's also Merry Go Round Day. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to be on a Merry Go Round on

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Speaker 1: the Jersey Shore on the boards just there you go,

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Speaker 1: seeing of the crime where my friend and I when

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Speaker 1: we were take a mushrooms went up there like it

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Speaker 1: was like late season Jersey Shore, so it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: packed with kids. But then we just like rode this

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Speaker 1: Merry Go Round and laughed at the top of our

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Speaker 1: lungs and people were scared. Very strange. Now I can't

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Speaker 1: look at that Merry Go Round without thinking about that. Anyways.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien a k. Jackie Philly. Back again.

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Speaker 1: Cooking up, cooking a little scrapple thing. Place it thin,

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Speaker 1: cook it through, not to burn, not too soft. That

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Speaker 1: is courtesy of Mr Lugubrious, Mr Underschool to lubrious, miles

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Speaker 1: of great Jacob t d Z, the d DZ family

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Speaker 1: never skipped a beat, No, never, I'd never skipped a beat.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Never Well, I'm thrilled to be joined as

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Speaker 1: always by my co host Mr Miles Gray. Tuna eight

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Speaker 1: Tuna so what could it be? Total shucks and all

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Speaker 1: that ship within the sea. Okay, shout out Depeche Mota.

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Speaker 1: People are people, shout out St. Louis's DJ at DJ

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Speaker 1: Uptown STL representing three one four to the fullest. I'd

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Speaker 1: imagine I've yet I believe it is anyway, thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. The Tuna a k A is con in

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Speaker 1: you con I have more? I have I have a

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Speaker 1: couple more that are so many more of your tevas off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Christie I'm a Gucci Man Ninja Turtles one was

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Speaker 1: just awesome. That one was good to St. Louis's didya,

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Speaker 1: I don't do no sh This has been activating people's creativity,

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Speaker 1: so I, like I said, keep keep bringing it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see it. There's just something about learning

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Speaker 1: that you've been eating turtle your whole life, assuming you

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Speaker 1: ate the tuna sandwich at subway, which I think we

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Speaker 1: all did um or have had tunas out of of

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Speaker 1: any stripe, right, because it's not just Subway, No, it's

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Speaker 1: like anyone who's doing that way of like if it's

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Speaker 1: not like Pole and line Cot, they're just being like

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Speaker 1: scoop out to see man, whatever is in there. You know. Look,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to get most of it out out to see. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: scoop to see it. Scoop out to sea. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: scooped out to sea. Give a little scoop and um,

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Speaker 1: you know it's gross. Well, we are thrilled to be

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Speaker 1: joined in our third seat by a brilliant anti racism educator, activist, writer,

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Speaker 1: creator of the acclaimed podcast White Homework. It's Tory Williams Douglass. Hi.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to see all of

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Speaker 1: you again. This is so exciting. Back. I really I

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Speaker 1: try to do I try to do like the Monday

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Speaker 1: ones because like I really like Monday because I'm weird.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really happy to be here. Yeah you really

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Speaker 1: like anti Garfield? Yeah, what is it about? Please let

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Speaker 1: me into your freaky world, the anti Garfield in your thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I mean, it's it's also that's also not wrong, um,

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Speaker 1: because it was like having like an office job, like

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Speaker 1: you show up on Monday Day and you know you

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Speaker 1: usually have like your Monday morning meeting or you know

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Speaker 1: some like time waster. But for me, I was like

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Speaker 1: it gives me an opportunity to put everything on the calendar,

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Speaker 1: like everything that I need to, like my whole to

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Speaker 1: do list, like any projects like updating people. I just

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Speaker 1: What's your least favorite day of the week. I know

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Speaker 1: Friday right now Thursday because Thursday is when my kids

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Speaker 1: really sad. Yeah, well, look like do you get stressed

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Speaker 1: out ahead of Monday and then like Monday allows you

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Speaker 1: the calendar or because that's what That's what happens with me,

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Speaker 1: is like I build up my work week. I get

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Speaker 1: a lot of stress on Sunday, like as the weekend

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Speaker 1: that that is a good feeling. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like Sunday scarys isn't super thing that

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Speaker 1: when I left Conde Nast to work with you know,

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Speaker 1: Jackie's got the way of the whole network on his shoulders,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a little bit more difficult,

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Speaker 1: but I get like that. Yeah, I feel like i've

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Speaker 1: because I've found that like place where I can I

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Speaker 1: since that doesn't quite happens, like it all goes away

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Speaker 1: when I record this show though, so oh so much

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Speaker 1: to ask you how you feel about Lasagna because if

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Speaker 1: you if you love Mondays, it should follow that you lasagna.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's not my favorite, but na, I'll take

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Speaker 1: it all right. We're gonna get to know you a

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Speaker 1: little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell

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Speaker 1: our listeners a couple of things that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We are bringing on super producer Tricia mccoergee to tell

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Speaker 1: us what is what what we can be taking from

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Speaker 1: the pro abortion activists in Latin America. And yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: It's a great story. We're gonna talk about America's toilet problem,

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Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, Tory, we'd like

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Speaker 1: to ask our guest, what is something from your search history?

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Speaker 1: So the other day I got a Katy Perry song

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Speaker 1: which is very odd, but what is that? Okay? So

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Speaker 1: like it was it was really major whiplash. It was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable with the gay agenda because we

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Speaker 1: all know how gay Katy Perry is. All right, yeah

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Speaker 1: put it together that she then married Russell Brand. Who

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Speaker 1: isn't Russell Brand like one of those like that's right,

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Speaker 1: I have him confused with Ricky commis organized religion, because

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Speaker 1: And this is my new husband. I don't kissed the

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Speaker 1: we liten? Was something about Adam and even original sin women. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Yeah that

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Speaker 1: all that, all that, Yeah, there was. It was his

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Speaker 1: I kissed God. I think I liked it, but I

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Speaker 1: if it was I kissed a girl, I kissed God

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Speaker 1: swordid soul he saved it like nice, nice, they must

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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of covers of of secular quote unquote

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Speaker 1: The Cure And I was like, how can nobody has

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Speaker 1: is like straight up a worship song, Like right, what

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Speaker 1: is happening right now? Because at first, my buddy Ray

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Speaker 1: she was like, this is I'm so uncomfortable the lyrics

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Speaker 1: of this, like this person as a stalker, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, no, it's about Jesus. It's fine. You surround

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Speaker 1: pattern God fearing Al Yankovic is that is is there

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Speaker 1: something God feared? Al yank Oh, there's so many bad

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Speaker 1: good the thing I said, so well, yeah, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's like an imitation of right, Like there's all these

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Speaker 1: Christians who are trying to like image of xerox, of

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Speaker 1: a xerox, great clarity, great tory. What is something you

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Speaker 1: think is underrated? I think right now because heat waves stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that green spaces are really

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Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously, as we know, I think may

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Speaker 1: um around their necks, on their clothing, on their bags.

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Speaker 1: So I saw these videos and maybe you did too,

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Speaker 1: and we're wondering, well, what did these screen bandanas me?

427
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Speaker 1: And I mean, in my head, I was thinking, this

428
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Speaker 1: isn't really the color that I would associate with women's

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Speaker 1: rights or the movement for abortion. So I looked into

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Speaker 1: it a little bit, and I actually found out that

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Speaker 1: the screen bandana is both a homage and a continuation

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Speaker 1: of a movement in Latin America that activists launched to

433
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Speaker 1: fight for abortion rights, and it's quite an inspiring movement.

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Speaker 1: I think what I learned from reading about this was

435
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Speaker 1: just that we have a lot to learn from other countries,

436
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Speaker 1: if those exist and are just some scam they've been

437
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: telling us about. Yeah, I think we're still looking into

438
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: that and maybe that can be your next story. Is

439
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Speaker 1: like trying to fact check whether other countries actually exist.

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Speaker 1: But I do feel like we're spending a lot of

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Speaker 1: time on the show lately. We're not a lot, but

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes just pointing out that, like Latin American

443
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Speaker 1: nations are really like making progress, moving leftward while we

444
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: are falling off the mountain to the right at a

445
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: rapid pace. Yes, exactly. So in terms of abortion, they

446
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: have been making it a lot more progress than us,

447
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: um while we have been going backwards. So in these

448
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Speaker 1: Latin American countries, there's a movement called Lamy, which is

449
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: Spanish for the green wave or the green tide, and

450
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: it's a movement that's been going on for a while

451
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Speaker 1: now years, even more than a decade, and it has

452
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Speaker 1: been so incredibly successful in legalizing or decriminalizing abortion in

453
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Speaker 1: several of these countries. So it's important to remember because

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Speaker 1: in the US we think of the fact that a

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Speaker 1: lot of the country is religious and Christian and that

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Speaker 1: makes them more conservative in terms of abortion. But in

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Speaker 1: Latin America, several of these countries are majority Catholic. In Argentina, yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: in Argentina, the dog Um, the Pope was born in Argentina,

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Speaker 1: so that is an indication of, you know, the religious

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Speaker 1: leanings of those of these countries. But abortion has been

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Speaker 1: legalized or decriminalized significantly in Latin America and the last

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Speaker 1: two is years. So in early one, Argentina legalized abortion

463
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Speaker 1: up to fourteen weeks. In September one, Mexico decriminalized abortion,

464
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Speaker 1: and in February of this year alone, Columbia legalized abortion

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Speaker 1: on demand and without restrictions up to the twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: week of pregnancy. So these are the three largest countries

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Speaker 1: in Latin America and abortion is decriminalized in all of them,

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Speaker 1: whereas in states in the US we don't have that.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty wild, like that, yeah, like you said that

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Speaker 1: they've come a long way very quickly. Yeah, but it

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Speaker 1: wasn't overnight. It wasn't overnight at all. And so actually

472
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Speaker 1: the origins of the screen wave it starts back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies seven in Argentina. This was when the Dirty

474
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Speaker 1: War was happening, and essentially the military junta was disappearing.

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Speaker 1: A lot of young men and women and their mothers

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Speaker 1: were very distress. So they took to the streets and

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Speaker 1: friend of government buildings and they were protesting and marching.

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Speaker 1: And during these protests and marches, they wore these headscarts,

479
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Speaker 1: which are made out of the clock that they would

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Speaker 1: use for diapers, and they were right and it became

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Speaker 1: a symbol of their resistance. So many years later, Argentinian

482
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Speaker 1: abortion activists wondered how they could kind of pay tribute

483
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Speaker 1: to the mothers Plaza de Mayo, which is the name

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Speaker 1: of this group of mothers, And they thought they didn't

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Speaker 1: want to use the same exact color, so they next white.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want to use purple, which was the color

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Speaker 1: of a lot of other women's movements in Latin America,

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Speaker 1: and they chose green. And I think it was an

489
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Speaker 1: interesting color choice because it symbolizes life and growth and

490
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Speaker 1: nurturing um, and so it's kind of a direct counter

491
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Speaker 1: statement to the statement pro life, which is saying the

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Speaker 1: only way you can be pro life is to be

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Speaker 1: against abortion. So they ordered a bunch of these green

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Speaker 1: bandannas and then started distributing them at these protests, and

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Speaker 1: eventually people really took it up as a symbol and

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Speaker 1: started just tying it to their backpacks, their clothes, their hair,

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Speaker 1: such that when you walked out into the street, you

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Speaker 1: would just see it everywhere in schools and supermarkets and

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Speaker 1: homes and workplaces, and it became a pretty constant topic

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Speaker 1: of conversation, which I wouldn't really say we have in

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Speaker 1: the U S at least in my experience. So that

502
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Speaker 1: was one day, one way that they just brought it

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Speaker 1: to a friend of mine for everyone. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: they ran out of green fabric because so many people

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Speaker 1: were wearing it, so they literally had to cross the

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Speaker 1: border from Argentina and Oblivia to source any green fabric.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the the original like that original

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Speaker 1: you know, movement against the military death squads. Those military

509
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Speaker 1: desk squads were part of Operation Condor, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by the United States and an attempt to tamp down

511
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Speaker 1: communism and votes. So like this is all hopefully we're

512
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Speaker 1: able to use this to spring board, and you know

513
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: that tends to be how the US fox up is,

514
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: like they like of their own making essentially and everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just it's interesting to note that, like this is something

516
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: that actually started was started by the CIA and directly right. Yeah,

517
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: it's all a really a big struggle against the US

518
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: state sanctioned violence. Yeah, no matter where you look. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So this is how the Green Wave started, but it

520
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: just grew to something that was so much more. It

521
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: was an incredibly dynamic and inclusive movement and so it

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Speaker 1: involved people protesting essentially constantly, like every single week for

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Speaker 1: two years um, and even in a lot of the

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Speaker 1: big protests in US history, we don't see that kind

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Speaker 1: of consistency for that long millions. I didn't even know

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Speaker 1: that was an option. Basically, I was like, wait, every week,

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Speaker 1: that's how protests were. When will when will move on

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Speaker 1: dot org? Tell me where to go? And one right? Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it's pretty incredible to think about doing that and

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Speaker 1: not getting discouraged. So I thought that was incredibly admirable.

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Speaker 1: But in addition to the protest, it involved constant legal action,

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Speaker 1: lawsuits and demands for legislators to act, involved a lot

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Speaker 1: of storytelling of allowing people who have had abortions to

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Speaker 1: just talk about their experiences everywhere and all the time,

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Speaker 1: and it was a very inclusive grassroots movement, and I

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Speaker 1: think because of all those factors, after many, many years,

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00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: it finally succeeded. Yeah. So looking at this right because

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Speaker 1: I think, like, even for me, I'm like, wow, they're

539
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: using the momentum of the people, you know, like mourning

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00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: the out of Selos, like the disappeared people in Argentina,

541
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: to to keep that outrage to still to maintain that

542
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: and evolving into like another mass movement shows that there's

543
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: an extremely long timeline to something like this. So I guess,

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Speaker 1: you know, in in reading about this and then thank

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00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: you so much for like telling us of like these

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Speaker 1: details and the history of it. What are the what

547
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Speaker 1: do we what? What can we take away from our

548
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: us minds that were going what are they doing in

549
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: other places? And you know, what can we glean from that? Yeah? Right?

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00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: So what can we learn? I think there are quite

551
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Speaker 1: a lot of things. First, just as we were talking

552
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: about before it is a marathon, not a sprint. It's

553
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: not as soon as rovi raid is overturned, we go

554
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: and protest for a week or two and then give up.

555
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: It's not that it's just a constant push both in

556
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: terms of protesting, in terms of legal battles, in terms

557
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: of pushing our elected representatives to do more, in terms

558
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: of storytelling, in terms of forming networks. Just it has

559
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: to be on all fronts, which is tough in the

560
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: US because people need to, like there's a literal like

561
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: work or starve or your kids will starve in many

562
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: cases of situations. So like that, that's something like we

563
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: we need mutual aid funds and stuff too. We we

564
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: need some infrastructure built out to make that sort of

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00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: thing possible. But there there are solutions, but that I

566
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Speaker 1: do think like that. That was an interesting revelation to

567
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: me was somebody pointing out that, like, oh, there's the

568
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: US has a very paltry like protests history because everybody's

569
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Speaker 1: working constantly all the time. And the one time when

570
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: we were able to not work constantly, we saw like

571
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: a large protest movement around like Black Lives Matter and

572
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: George Floyd's death, and and then be because people weren't

573
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Speaker 1: working as much because of the PANTA. So that is

574
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: like a a problem we need to solve. But there

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00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: are people who are solving it. And there's so much

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Speaker 1: money being donated the places like planned parenthood and stuff,

577
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: where when maybe it could be donated to some mutual

578
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: aid funds that make it possible for people to protest

579
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: more or something. Yeah, yeah, I think that's another thing.

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Speaker 1: Just we can learn a lot in terms of inclusivity.

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00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: The Green Wave in Latin America. I mean, I think

582
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Speaker 1: no movement is perfect, but there's some emphasis on centering

583
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: the voices of indigenous people and after all that next people,

584
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: Whereas in the US a lot of our movement has

585
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: kind of put aside marginalized groups. We need to make

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00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: sure that people who perhaps can't go out in the

587
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: streets and protests because maybe they just are working multiple

588
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: jobs and are busy, or maybe they have kids to

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00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: take care of, like, their voices still need to be

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00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: put at the forefront. And along with that, in the US,

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00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the movement for abortion rights has been pretty exclusive and

592
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: discriminatory in the past. I mean, even if you think

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Speaker 1: about Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger's role in that and

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00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: her belief in eugenics. And yeah, I mean there's a

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00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: lot of incredible activism from black women, um who have

596
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: founded the movement for Reproductive Justice, and they're often not acknowledged,

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00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: So I would say read about them if you're at

598
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: all interested. But along with that, we need to just

599
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: focus on how abortion specifically affects people who are low income,

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Speaker 1: lack of secure housing, are affected by the prison industrial complex,

601
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: and just create a new framework that does address these things. Yeah.

602
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, just like you said, Jack,

603
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we have to get out of the big organizations.

604
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: The green Wave was a lot of small organizations and

605
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: individuals coming together, whereas in the US we really rely

606
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Speaker 1: heavily on planned parenthood and the sun to reproductive rights.

607
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Such are these big organizations that really form corporate structures

608
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: in their own ways, so that can also be harmful

609
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: to grassroots movement. Yeah. I heard a really good question

610
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Speaker 1: recently where someone was like, also, like planned parenthood, when

611
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: when the road decision or opinion leaked, planned parenthood like

612
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: got a massive influx in donations, and it's like and

613
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: then when like they seemed to be caught flat footed

614
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: as well as the Biden administration, Like there there wasn't

615
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: like an immediate plan of action that was at least

616
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: evident to a lot of people. I just felt like

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Speaker 1: a lot of the institutions that we were counting on

618
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: being there and like had having been working on this

619
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: ship after the leaked decision, between leaked decision the actual

620
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: like ruling didn't have a thing that was like thrown

621
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Speaker 1: into actions. So like that that's another reason that I've

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00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: I've heard people be kind of skeptical about Planned parenthood

623
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: as I think that like nobody took it seriously, right,

624
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: Like they've been saying that they were going to do

625
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: this for fifty years at this point, and everyone was

626
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: like okay, cool, like enjoy and you know, I think

627
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: that like being cognizant of the fact that like a

628
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: lot of the push against not all of it, obviously

629
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: a lot of that is also corporate in like dark

630
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: money and whatever, but like a lot of a lot

631
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: of the push against Row, like in terms of getting

632
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: abortion band was done at like a community level, right,

633
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Like you know, those folks have something of an advantage,

634
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Speaker 1: I would say, because they go to church, so they

635
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: see each other every single week. A couple of times

636
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Speaker 1: a week. Anyway, Yeah, there are they're they're they're sixty

637
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Speaker 1: percent of the way, they're already right, just because they're

638
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Speaker 1: seeing each other, they have a place to gather, it's consistent.

639
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: They're constantly in communication with one another. And so you know,

640
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: I think that we planned parenthood the Bundon administration. No

641
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: nobody is, nobody was taking this seriously. And I think

642
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: that also like part of part of like the failure

643
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: of communication, I guess in in terms of abortion access

644
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: is that it's like if you don't have a right

645
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: to body, the autonomy, you have no rights, Like all

646
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: you have is privileges. And that wasn't really communicated, you know,

647
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: like as I you know, because I was raised by

648
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: a pro life activist, as I've talked about on here before,

649
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: and like the like when I when I slowly kind

650
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: of moved out of that space and I was like, oh,

651
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: this is now. This isn't cool, Like you can't force

652
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: someone to like make a child, that's not okay. There

653
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: still wasn't much language around like abortion access is like

654
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: the most basic of human rights. So if you can

655
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: take that away from people, you can control like half

656
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: the population. And so I mean, there was a reason

657
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: that they went for that, right. There's a reason that

658
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: they targeted Row specifically, and it was because they know

659
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: that when you can take people's agency away, you can

660
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of do whatever right exactly right. And there's like

661
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: another part of what you're saying too, is like as Americans,

662
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: people are so reliant on these like outsized organizations or

663
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: the idea of like the like the politics, like the

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00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: politicians will save us, or the president will save us,

665
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: or playing parenthood will save us, that we sort of

666
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: outsource like our ability to defend ourselves to these like

667
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: just large behemoth things are abstract groups of people. We

668
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: don't know we exist exactly. We're outside. We're outsourcing it

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00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: to people who don't have their head in the game.

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00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: And to your POINTA Tricia, like the people who are

671
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: taking it seriously are not the ones that are getting

672
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: the support. And I think that's a huge shift that

673
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: I think a lot of American people need to make.

674
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: Is A. Yeah, it's bad. B we can't really like

675
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: the people we used to rely on have proven that,

676
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: like in the way this system is set up, we

677
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: can't rely on them to protect to protect us. And

678
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: where has it worked it's when people get together on

679
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: their own and acknowledge, yeah, we're up against it, but

680
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: we can acknowledge that together there is a path forward.

681
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: But it takes a lot of people to first abandon

682
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: this idea that it's like, well, maybe I can just

683
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: give my money to this thing and not do anything,

684
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: and it's it can't it can't be passive, like don't

685
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: like donating is great, but it's like any any sort

686
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: of systemic change we're seeking, whether that be with body

687
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: autonomy or rights for LGBTQ people, or you know, the

688
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: over policing that we're experiencing, we can't just do that, well,

689
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: I gave my money to that group who they seem

690
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: angry enough about it that they can change it. It's

691
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: like no, like we every single person has to turn

692
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: on like and say, yeah, you know what I'm actually

693
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I realized too, Like what I want is something that

694
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: I have to begin communicating to other people as well

695
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: and finding like minded people to say this is the

696
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: bare minimum that I feel like we need to advocate

697
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: for for people and be active in that or be

698
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: vocal about that. Because the age of like donating to

699
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: act blue and ship what look look where we're at it,

700
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: got us fucking right here. We need to build community

701
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: to like Tory's point about them at working from a

702
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: base of like church and you know that being a

703
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: thing that you're meeting regularly, Like that's that's also huge

704
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: in the addiction recovery community like that, you know, you

705
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: have you have to build community. You have to find

706
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: people who are working on the same thing as you. Um,

707
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: and there's just like that that doesn't just form overnight.

708
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Again Putricia's point about it being a a marathon not

709
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: a sprint, but like it. And I also feel like

710
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: we can't be so hard on ourselves for like why

711
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: aren't I doing more about this? Like well, there's not

712
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: a thing to do, Like that's what we need to

713
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: like build the thing to do the meetings, to go

714
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: to the secular church, to like go to on a

715
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: weekly basis where you can you know, find the people

716
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: to build your movement with. Yeah. Yeah, And tomas Is

717
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: point as well, like donating to Planned Parenthood. I think

718
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: there's you know that money has much less of an

719
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: effect than donating to a mutual aid organization or a

720
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: people organized fund. UM. Where I live in New York,

721
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: abortions through plant parent had cost upwards of five dollars,

722
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: which is like, who the fund can afford that, especially

723
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: if you just can't afford to have a kid, perhaps

724
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: if that's your reason. So yeah, Whereas a lot of

725
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: mutual aid funds will help you get medication for abortions.

726
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: And I mean that's just another thing that you know,

727
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: going back to the Green Waves, something that they prioritized

728
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: with self managed abortions instead of working outside these big

729
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: clinics UM in Mexico. I mean, this is a whole

730
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: another story. It's it's fascinating, but one of the medications

731
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: that you can use to induce an abortion, you can

732
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: get it over the counter for stomach ulcers and other

733
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: medical conditions. So when the law prohibits abortions, you know,

734
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: people can try to work together to find ways around it.

735
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: And of course that's not medical advice. I mean, a

736
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: life is unsafe, but that's just something that the state

737
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: forces us into doing, unfortunately. And then I think just

738
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: the very last thing is that abortion is healthcare. We've

739
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: heard that slogan over and over and over again at protests,

740
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: and I think we can't forget that public healthcare and

741
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: universal health care is also essential to this fight for

742
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: abortion in Mexico. Actually, because healthcare is public, women who

743
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: go to clinics to seek abortion can also access other

744
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: services and counseling. They can get away from domestic violence

745
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: at home, they can get birth control, or their partners

746
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: can get vasectomies. So the fact that public health care

747
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: is also there and they don't have to worry about

748
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: paying exorbitant amounts every time you visit a clinic also

749
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: really helps. So, yeah, those are just a few things

750
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: I think as a movement in the US, we need

751
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: to pay more attention to activists and the rest of

752
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: the world. There's been the question brought up of oh

753
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: is this cultural appropriation to where these green bandannas are

754
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: we parading all their hard work as our own and

755
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: activists have said, and here's a quote that we're here

756
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: to push back and loudly state that political solidarity is

757
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: not theft. This fight is not ours alone. Um, so

758
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: they are inviting collaboration, they're offering help because we're just

759
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: in a position where we desperately, desperately need help and

760
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: we we shouldn't let ourselves be isolated, just as the

761
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: government has really wanted us to be throughout all of

762
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: history to make us feel this sense of American superiority,

763
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: make us feel like we're better than these other countries

764
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: and we should look down on them. That is just

765
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: not the way to go right now, Like we really

766
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: need we can get take the fucking help. That's that's

767
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: good advice in general in life, and like especially in

768
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: this where the United States is people not yeah you

769
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: don't know somebody a man, you are right over there

770
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: if you if you don't need help, you know, that's

771
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, we know we are. Yes, please,

772
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: we're not worried about you stealing from us. Yeah, y'all

773
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: need everything. We're we're trying to help you. But yeah,

774
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: the US has a hard time getting their brain around anything.

775
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Like it's like our pathology to not acknowledge that we

776
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: need help in any capacity, whether that's personally or collectively,

777
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: like if we're built on yeah, exactly, like there's nothing

778
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: wrong with anything, okay, yeah, Like and that's who we are.

779
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 1: We're like laughing in the middle of a burning down

780
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: house and insisting that it's okay. And I think the

781
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: difficulty that we, you know, most people have to arise

782
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: to is that like, yeah, it is very uncomfortable, but

783
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: also you can accept that and you know, use that

784
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: to steal yourself and prepare yourself to say there is

785
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: something I can do. And it's not just about giving

786
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: money to the right people. It's about being more conscious

787
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: of what's going on, educating myself and encouraging others around

788
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: me to do that, and to again look into mutual

789
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: aid groups, because if they're organizing in churches, you might

790
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: as well participate in a mutual aid group where you

791
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: can be around like minded people who also understand the

792
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: stakes are very high for people and you want to help.

793
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: And it's not like it doesn't have to It's not

794
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: like you're going to some battle or something. You're just saying, hey,

795
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: I have skills, I have maybe a bit of money

796
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: or free time. How can I help? And that's it,

797
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: And that's You're already going to be doing a world

798
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: of difference, and it's okay to embrace the idea that like,

799
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: we have to do something, but you know what, You're

800
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: gonna feel much better when you feel like you're an

801
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: active participant than someone who's just sort of like passively watching,

802
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: freaked out and throwing money at a fire. When Nancy

803
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: Pelosi's spooky as face shows up on a text message. Right, yeah, well, Tricia,

804
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: truly a pleasure having you. Thank you once again for

805
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: your research and wisdom. Where can people find you or

806
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: hear you? You have a podcast of your own, don't you? Yes,

807
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: I do. Um so I'm not on social media, but

808
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: you can listen to more shows of this type on.

809
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: My podcast is called People Place Power and it's wherever

810
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Yeah, all right, we will be

811
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: right back to talk about toilets and word back. So

812
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Have we talked about the fact that

813
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: the phrase like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is

814
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: like it's self. Yeah, it's a work of satire, like something.

815
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: It's a joke, but like America just turned it into

816
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: like we do and we do the impossible. That's how

817
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: it's like a ten percent like being like, well that's

818
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: not that's not a thing. Man, I can make gold

819
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: from wood. Okay, that's the national motto. It's like, that's

820
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: that's a fallacy and incorrect. I don't know, work work, ethic, alchemy,

821
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: that's that's our thing. It's like, well, that's impossible. So

822
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: you're a dip shit. We're a dip shit anyways, America

823
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: has a toilet problem. Kalamazoo, Michigan just decriminalized public urination

824
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: and the mainstream media lost their ship. This is, you know,

825
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: according to them, this was purely done to ruin the

826
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: lives of business owners and deep value property. Kalamazoo business

827
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: owners upset after decriminalization of public your Nation defecation, and

828
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: in seventeen New York City cops gave cops the discretion

829
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: to punish urinators with a civil summons instead of a

830
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: criminal one, which, by the way, giving New York City

831
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: cops discretion over anything is never, never going to help.

832
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: But I'm sure this just led to rich white stock

833
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: brokers being able to pee wherever they want when they're drunk.

834
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's about it, because the cops aren't cutting

835
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: a break for anyone else, it turns out. But what

836
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: what when they did that? Immediately Tucker Carlson was like,

837
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: this whole city smells like you're in all of a sudden,

838
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: the first time that New York had ever smelled like

839
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: you're But yeah, I mean, public our nation shouldn't just

840
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: be decriminalized, it should be legalized. These laws really only

841
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: served to punish the most vulnerable. According to one report

842
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: pent upon, how's people have been cited or arrested for

843
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: public your Nation in thirteen states, Public your Nation is

844
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Speaker 1: classified as a potential sex crime. Yeah, my god, Like

845
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: you'd be a sex offender for public your Nation, which

846
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: is wow. It's like and imagine if you're in the

847
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: house and they're like, you're now a sex offender, which

848
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: means you you can't really be anywhere now, like with

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Speaker 1: all of the you know, the sort of boundaries that

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Speaker 1: come with like places you can live near or whatever

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Speaker 1: being near. Yeah, anyway, Yeah, but their way, these laws

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Speaker 1: are a way of criminalizing homelessness. Essentially in skid row

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Speaker 1: in l A there are fifteen thousand people and just

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Speaker 1: five public toilets, So that's one public toilet for every

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Speaker 1: three thousand people. So it like not having public urination,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a criminal act is essentially a form

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Speaker 1: of entrapment because it's like physically impossible that you won't

858
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Speaker 1: go to the bathroom there. There's also some stories in Piedmont, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: a cop gave a two thousand five dollar ticket for

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Speaker 1: public year Nation to a three year old and in Ferguson, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: which you might remember them, the Ferguson Police Department. Well,

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Speaker 1: in Ferguson, a family let their two year old and

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Speaker 1: four year old pie and a bush. Something I've done

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Speaker 1: the near constantly as a parent, just because kids constantly

865
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Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom, like at the most

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Speaker 1: inconvenient times. It's like they have a sense for what

867
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Speaker 1: is the most inconvenient time, and that's when they will

868
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Speaker 1: have to go to the bathroom, like horribly badly. But

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Speaker 1: a cop came by and arrested the dad for a

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Speaker 1: child neglect. He was held for nine hours and felt

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Speaker 1: found guilty by a judge. The couple understandably later through

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Speaker 1: the city. But you'll you'll never guess that the family

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Speaker 1: were black, So shocking m hm hm. But so on

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Speaker 1: one solution is they're just absolutely needs to be way

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Speaker 1: more public toilets available. Yeah, I mean that's isn't that.

876
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Speaker 1: Isn't that how you solve a problem? Well not in

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Speaker 1: the United States. That the States, they're like, well, how

878
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Speaker 1: do we make this. Let the market solve it. Let

879
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Speaker 1: the toilet That's what they did. Like the Starbucks announced

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Speaker 1: that they would open their watchrooms to everyone in and

881
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Speaker 1: people are ex seed the market working. They know it's

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Speaker 1: a good publicity thing because Starbucks are everywhere, right, except

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Speaker 1: Howard Schultz recently came out you know now that he's

884
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Speaker 1: he's probably now that he's like probably turning right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's like union vesting and has been was criticized during

886
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Speaker 1: his presidential run as a Democrat, So I'm sure he's

887
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Speaker 1: basically a fascist at this point. So he then recently

888
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Speaker 1: announced that they will actually soon limit access to customers only,

889
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Speaker 1: which amounted to a loss of critical infrastructure for the

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Speaker 1: broader public in the United States. Like so a a

891
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Speaker 1: company changes a store policy and it radically fox over

892
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Speaker 1: the country. That's the that's the United States. But this

893
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Speaker 1: this feels to me again like putting like dumping a

894
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Speaker 1: bunch of labor on service workers who aren't being paid

895
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Speaker 1: a living wage anyway. Now you have to police the toilets.

896
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Speaker 1: Like I think that was the fundamental problem with the

897
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Speaker 1: mask mandates was that you were you're literally asking service

898
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Speaker 1: workers to enforce a state a state regulation, like policy, law,

899
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Speaker 1: something something. Right, It's like you don't yeah, and like

900
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Speaker 1: your life being threatened, Like that's it's not worth that,

901
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Speaker 1: It's not. It's not always found that people who don't

902
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Speaker 1: want to wear a mask in public seem to be

903
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Speaker 1: very reasonable and just like easy to talk to and

904
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Speaker 1: like here, you want to hear you out. That is,

905
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Speaker 1: I feel like people not like refusing to wear a

906
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Speaker 1: mask when it's appropriate or required is like the domestic

907
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Speaker 1: violence of like gun owners, of like mass shootings. It's

908
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Speaker 1: just like those those are the people who are going

909
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Speaker 1: to flip out and try and fight you in this

910
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Speaker 1: subway or wherever you are. Thanks to bring it back

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Speaker 1: to subway? Yeah, can I just throw in really quickly

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Speaker 1: Historically that cities were cities were adding lots of public

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Speaker 1: toilets until desegregation, and then they started closing them down.

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Speaker 1: Huh huh. Interesting, fascinating hand of white supremacy is always, always,

915
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Speaker 1: always we don't have enough toilets because white people. Yeah,

916
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Speaker 1: countries like Iceland have around fifty six toilets per people.

917
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Speaker 1: The US has eight. Yeah, because people don't have to

918
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Speaker 1: pay right exactly, Hey pissing your bootstraps. Yeah, we we

919
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Speaker 1: have stronger willpowers, so we're able to just hold it

920
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Speaker 1: longer than people in Iceland. But yeah, it's straight up,

921
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Speaker 1: it's white supremacy and racism like that. Yeah, it's and

922
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Speaker 1: it doesn't even again, like everything and there's a problem,

923
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Speaker 1: they don't fucking actually address it. People are kissing everywhere.

924
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: What's the problem because there's not enough toilets. What's the

925
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: solution fucking make them sex offenders? What wait? Sorry, did

926
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Speaker 1: you did you just get a step there? Nope, that's

927
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Speaker 1: not what we're doing. That's how you stop him. Like

928
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Speaker 1: California sitting on a record breaking surplus of you know,

929
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Speaker 1: taxpayers money and rather than like spending that on building

930
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Speaker 1: public toilets, they instead you brag about having a surplus,

931
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Speaker 1: and uh it works. First of all, the media is like,

932
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Speaker 1: holy sh it, Newsome, he we should make him president.

933
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Speaker 1: He has a surplus. And then also sit it's austerity

934
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Speaker 1: and yeah, and then like start freaking out about San

935
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Speaker 1: Francisco having like poop on the street, Like that's that's

936
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Speaker 1: how people You look at a place like in London, right,

937
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Speaker 1: I was just there. They got they have public urinals

938
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Speaker 1: fucking everywhere because they're like, man, too many people leave

939
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Speaker 1: the pubs and ship or whatever and they just piss

940
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Speaker 1: all over the street. Yeah. Their solution was, well, then

941
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: put up some fucking urinals that people can use, and

942
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: like more toilets for people, and then you're spending less

943
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: time cleaning up piss in the streets and giving up

944
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: a person to use the fucking bathroom. London has some

945
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Speaker 1: experience there. I'm like, they used to use the streets

946
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Speaker 1: as the sewers, so they would know they've evolved, you know,

947
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: they've come around. Everyone used to use it as the sewers. Though.

948
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Speaker 1: That was like the like Spanish colonizers and they first

949
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Speaker 1: came to like South America, they were like, what the

950
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Speaker 1: fund is this? Your streets are clean? Yeah? Right where

951
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: it is definitely a European settler, European colonizer movement of yeah,

952
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: we just kind of shipped everywhere, right, but we also

953
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: put it, yeah right, we put that's our right, that

954
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Speaker 1: our divine right as colonizers. Now show me the late

955
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: the closest place I can defecate on something sacred. So

956
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: just to kind of close the loop on this, the

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Speaker 1: US government and you know, various like local organizations appointed

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Speaker 1: to the high costs for installing public toilets, but in

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Speaker 1: fact you actually save money by investing in restrooms, because

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Speaker 1: you wind up spending millions cleaning up all the p

961
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Speaker 1: and poop around your city and recording like public health. Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: According to the World Bank, every dollar spent on urban

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Speaker 1: sanitation brings a return of two dollars and fifty cents

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Speaker 1: to the economy through reduction in medical costs and increased productivity. Whoa, whoa,

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Speaker 1: We'll hold on reduction in medical costs. That's not profit

966
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Speaker 1: of anything. I need to increase the medical costs so

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: I can keep my pockets fat. Okay, Like what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: And I can't well because the like that's pop pooping

969
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: on land that I'm not going to because I'm going

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00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: to my country club where the people have to poop

971
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: and pea everywhere are not allowed in. So you know,

972
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: it's just the public parks that get shipped on, impete

973
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Speaker 1: on and make people sick. And it's not it's not

974
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: my country club though, anyways, I piss on your local

975
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: country club. Yeah, let's start start the movement. Start start

976
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: reaching out just being like, hey, golf clubs, golf courses

977
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't exist, right, and see see what what kind of

978
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: response you get. I bet, I bet there's more people

979
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Speaker 1: who agree. All right, Tory truly a pleasure as always

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Speaker 1: having your where can people find you? And folly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. I always love chatting with y'all. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter at tory Glass and Instagram sometimes at

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Speaker 1: tory Glass. I have a podcast called wit Homework when

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Speaker 1: we talk about anti racism and like practical actionable things

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Speaker 1: that you can do around the issue of racism, because

986
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Speaker 1: so frequently people are like, what do I do? So

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Speaker 1: that's what that is. And then I have another podcast

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Speaker 1: that like brings me so much. I feel like there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of art being done on social media, so

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Speaker 1: truly truly culture shaping in every way, in every way. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: My my favorite tweet of the last week was British

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Speaker 1: people struggling in this heat waves stay strong. Your ancestors

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what it is, because I've been duped

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Speaker 1: don't know. We never told people to do this for

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Speaker 1: a great job. We're you know, I had seen great

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Speaker 1: growth and we really appreciate that. But maybe maybe Zeke

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Speaker 1: like and subscribe anyways. You can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: who needs to hear this, but living your life to

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Speaker 1: the fullest does not have to involve hiking. Wrong. I

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Speaker 1: like to hike, but it does seem like those two

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Speaker 1: have become synonymous. You know what it is the nervous

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Speaker 1: system disagrees with your lived experience, sir. The I think

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Speaker 1: to The payoff is to get somewhere and and behold

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Speaker 1: a site that makes you feel inconsequential. You admire the

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Speaker 1: beauty of nature. Because I'm seeing l a It's like

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Speaker 1: I might fucking walking up running you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not fucking hiking up to the grip at observatory,

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Speaker 1: like take me to Mount Baldy or something like, to

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Speaker 1: give me some ship to see. I went on a bike,

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Speaker 1: a bunk hike where the only thing I saw was

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Speaker 1: a bunch of brown land and then golf courses and

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Speaker 1: I was pissed. But it was useful. But I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying it doesn't have to You can do other things

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Speaker 1: besides that. Go for a swim, go for a dipp

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Speaker 1: in your public pool, or at the golf course. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're in the in the pond at the golf course.

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Speaker 1: Water trap. At the golf courses they call they don't

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Speaker 1: even appreciate their own damn ponds. They call them water traps.

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Speaker 1: Fuck you golf courses. I mean, I think, yeah, where

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Speaker 1: you find the water, remain at the golf course and

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Speaker 1: find like the get yourself like a you know, I think,

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Speaker 1: what nine inch maybe PBC elbow, open that thing up,

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Speaker 1: and then you've turned it into a water park. I think,

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Speaker 1: I think we can't officially endorse that. But allegedly, allegedly, allegedly,

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Speaker 1: allegedly have a Bronx summer at your golf course water

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Speaker 1: name Manuel Dexter Eddie tweeted do you think went on

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Speaker 1: a rider, quit choplifting or just got really good at it?

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Speaker 1: Which is so thank But and then House of Decline

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Speaker 1: wrote getting fucked in the ass and he's right behind me,

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Speaker 1: Isn't I liked that? How h a U s of

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Speaker 1: Decline like a battle house. You can find me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Daily zey Guys. We're at the Daily Zeyegeist

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. We have Facebook fan page on a website

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Speaker 1: Daily zycheys dot com where we star episodes and our

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Speaker 1: foot notes we link off the information that we talked

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Speaker 1: about in today's episode as well as the song that

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Speaker 1: we think you might enjoy Miles song do we think

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Speaker 1: people might? Okay? So I want to go out on

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Speaker 1: this track. This band I just heard called Death and

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Speaker 1: they are a punk, a black punk band who came

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Speaker 1: out at East Detroit and like they predate the Ramones,

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Speaker 1: like people call them like pro to punk. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: get they didn't get a record deal because they were

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Speaker 1: so kind of like about the music that this album

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Speaker 1: they recorded was like like in obscurity for many years

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Speaker 1: and it's just coming back around like a lot of music. Nurse.

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Speaker 1: This band Death is sucking like amazing and if you

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Speaker 1: like punk, like any guy like the Ramones and Ship,

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Speaker 1: you have to listen to this ship. This is from

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Speaker 1: the album Death for the whole world to see it,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's like it's now widely available on streaming.

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Speaker 1: But this track is called rock and Roll Victim and

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Speaker 1: it's just dope. Like just to know that this was

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Speaker 1: recorded in n seventy five and this is the sound

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Speaker 1: that they're bringing its. It like massively warms my heart,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time you're like, damn, how much

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Speaker 1: other part just gets lost in the fucking waves of

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Speaker 1: like massive media and ship like that that we don't

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Speaker 1: know about it. So this is Death with rock and

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Speaker 1: roll Victim. All right, Well go listen to that. It

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Speaker 1: will be linked in the footnotes. The Daily That Guy

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Speaker 1: is a production of by Heart Radio. For more podcasts

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 1: That is going to do it for us this morning.

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Speaker 1: We're back to this afternoon to tell you what's trending.

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Speaker 1: When we will talk to y'all. Then bye bye by