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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup. It's your mental health break

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Speaker 2: from the news. I'm Si Cup. I have had the

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Speaker 2: pleasure of meeting many Bravo lebrities over the past decade

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Speaker 2: friends had we met organically. We have a lot in common.

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Speaker 2: I think we think similarly. We're both into politics and

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Speaker 2: the news. I think we just get each other. And

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Speaker 2: my husband vibes with him. My kiddo likes him. He

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Speaker 2: He was the life of the party at my Christmas

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Speaker 2: party this year. But I'm you know, he's the life

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Speaker 2: of every party. It's my friend Southern Charms. William Shepherd

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Speaker 2: Rose the Third.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I see, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I just love seeing you. Are you good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm good. The feeling is mutual, definitely, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you know, if we want to chart this

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Speaker 1: So, I don't know how we maybe we said hello

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Speaker 1: on Twitter again we did, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because you're also you're a fan of the news.

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 1: I grew up in an interesting political household, considering my

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Speaker 2: Okay. For folks who don't know, Shepp is on a

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Speaker 2: Stuff, unless you're Madison.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you'll never see the world the same way? No, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's that's the biggest illustration of our differences.

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Speaker 2: That's it right there. Okay. And then Austin came onto

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Speaker 1: I'm a talker, and so we share a lot of

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Speaker 1: I mean, and Craig. Craig shares a lot of it too.

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Speaker 1: We're an interesting trio, that's for sure. Yes, So Austin

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Speaker 2: Well good. I think people like to watch you guys

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Speaker 3: And if you.

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Speaker 2: So would you say, was it tough love or was

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Speaker 2: All right, So tell me about ayahuasca.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I was like kind of like, what should

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Speaker 3: Telling me we get so much out of it.

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00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: And so I talked to Kenny and he was like,

444
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: he was like, have you heard of the Toad? I

445
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 1: was like, no, I have not heard of the toad?

446
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: And the toad is like He's like, well, I don't

447
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: think you should do it because it's not first he

448
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you should maybe like start with

449
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: ayahuasca and then but the toad is something crazy.

450
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 3: You should look it up.

451
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 2: No, this is the licking toad's thing.

452
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: Well, you smoke it, but it's off of toad's back

453
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: or something.

454
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: No, I'll tell you who told me to do this.

455
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: You won't believe this.

456
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: Who.

457
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: Rick Perry, former governor of Texas.

458
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, called.

459
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: Me when I first opened up about my mental health challenges.

460
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 2: He called me directly and said, Essie, I got something

461
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: for you. I take all my guys from like with

462
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: PTSD from the military, I take them all down to

463
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: Mexico and we do this toad thing and it changes

464
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: their lives. Yeah, I didn't do it, but I really

465
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: appreciated his outreach.

466
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: Yeah that's cool. Yeah.

467
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: So so he was like, yeah, try this place and

468
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: called Ridmia and so I went, all right, I called

469
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: out there. It's in Costa Rica, Okay, And so I

470
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: get there. I'm writing a book about this, by the way,

471
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: about my whole experience. It was so crazy and so interesting.

472
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: And so we're not in Kansas anymore, and first day

473
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: of camp for school or what have you. It was

474
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of people thrown together about to embark on

475
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: this crazily spiritual journey and nobody knows what to expect,

476
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: and everybody's gingerly shaking each other's hand and it's just

477
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: like and you know, it was just outrageously interesting. And

478
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I just started writing as soon as I landed at

479
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: the airport and got on this bus with some of

480
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: my my new friends and fellow participants. Yeah, and just

481
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: was listening to all the conversations, partaking in many of

482
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: them as well. And uh just was my percolating with

483
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: with some I don't know creativity and uh so yeah,

484
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't know how bogged down

485
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: you want to get into it, but.

486
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I want to get into it, like what did

487
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: you hope to get out of it? And what did

488
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: what did what did it feel like when you were

489
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: on it, and what happened after?

490
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: Right right? Well, one of the things they say is

491
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: you might think you know why you're here or why

492
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: you want to be here, but you you there's very,

493
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: very possible you'll leave with something completely different than what

494
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: you thought you were trying to go there for.

495
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, I love that.

496
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was there. Well, part of the reason

497
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: I was there. Most of the reason was just like

498
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: sort of confront the uh the wild animal inside me

499
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: or whatever, the the guy that takes it too far,

500
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: the guy that you know, three isn't enough, I need

501
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: six kind of thing, you know what I mean. And

502
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: so I did confront that guy, and uh I pretty

503
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: successfully and pretty Oh I got vividly. I mean I

504
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: could go into it. I mean some of the visions

505
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: I had were just absolutely bonkers.

506
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 2: Do you have visions of yourself or you have visions

507
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: of other things?

508
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I had. Well I don't want to

509
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: spoil the.

510
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: Book, Okay, yeah, you don't have to get like, but

511
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: just gives me the general idea here.

512
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they asked you all these different question you're

513
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: supposed to ask the medicine a question that the medicine

514
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: is called mother ayahuasca, and it's like a female and

515
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: she is in charge and she permeates throughout the room

516
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 1: and and you're supposed to ask her questions. Uh, and

517
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: then try to be as specific as you as you can.

518
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: Like a board kind of.

519
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

520
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: And so you know, the first night is who have

521
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: I become? Is the question you're supposed to ask. Now,

522
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: you can ask any question you want, but they have

523
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: a little roadmap for it. It's a very slick, very

524
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: well done operation. It's like they've thought of everything. And

525
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: the accommodations are nice and the food is good, you know.

526
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: So it's a very lovely environment that they create. It's

527
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: very wellness and you know they you don't have to

528
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: but they you know, you do breathing exercises and a

529
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: little bit of yoga, so they kind of get you

530
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: in the mood. And then and then everybody sort of everybody,

531
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: because it's such a outlandish experience, is lets their guard

532
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: down and uh, and you and people are really honest

533
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: with one another. So it was really great, and I

534
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: mean so yeah, I mean I'll just tell you, like

535
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: the first night I'm going through it, man, Like the

536
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: way I see it is mother Ayahuasca enters like you yawn.

537
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've eaten mushrooms before of it,

538
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: you know they're working when you yawn really deeply, is

539
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know why it's okay. So that that

540
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: that happens in my theory is that mother Ayawaska enters

541
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: enters your body when you yawn okay, and then untangles

542
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: all these knots and webs insides you, whether it be

543
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: ego or past trauma, and then you're literally writhing on

544
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: the ground like ah, like you remember the matrix where

545
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: the guy she jumped jumps into the agent.

546
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, all this stuff that's how it feels.

547
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: You're like, ah, is it painful?

548
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: No, no, nothing, but it's just it's just intense and yeah,

549
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: but it's and then you you know, you purge, and

550
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 1: this is my theory.

551
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: This there's no basis of fact here.

552
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: You purge, whether it's go to the bathroom or throw

553
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: up in their bucket next year's mattress. And then it's

554
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: sort of over that that section is over. Whatever you

555
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: dealt with is dealt with, and maybe you can revisit it.

556
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: But does everyone purge.

557
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, not everybody, some more than others.

558
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: There's some guys next to me. I thought their guts

559
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: were turned inside out. But but you can get up

560
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: and walk around. You don't have to stay in the

561
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: in the enclosed, beautiful enclosed area by the way, and

562
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: the shaman was fantastic.

563
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: There's four different ones each night, and.

564
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: They had a band with them, like bongos and guitar

565
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: and flute like a like a made out of bamboo,

566
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: and a singer singing these beautiful Spanish lullabies. There's a

567
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: bonfire and you're just like, oh my god, this is

568
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: like a Tarantino movie or a David Lynch movie, like

569
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: something out of a dream, like a fever dream. And

570
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: meanwhile you're just like, right, you're like either coming to

571
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: some aha conclusion or you're dealing with something that's inside you.

572
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: And all this stuff, and I mean, I'll just give

573
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: you one example. The first night, I envisioned a amusement

574
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: park ride where there's the pole and all the and

575
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: then there's all the swings hanging down from the pole,

576
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: and then it goes around and round, and the swings.

577
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: Go out and out, you know, ye ye yep.

578
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: Well in the swings where all the people that I

579
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: knew and loved and they're laughing and carrying on. And

580
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's nice. And then I look

581
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: up and I'm the pole.

582
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: I'm the one. I'm the one that has to be sturdy.

583
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: I have to be reliable, or the amusement park life

584
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: that I so desire.

585
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: Trumbles and is a disaster.

586
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

587
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: So that was pretty cool.

588
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh my god, it's so

589
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: cool and so vivid and so vivid.

590
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and once it's over, these things stay with you.

591
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: It's not like a dream where you like forget it.

592
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote down everything. You should see my journal.

593
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. It's like it's like diagonal vertical, like I

594
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: write because you can't see that well A and B

595
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: like you can't write, you're like out of your mind

596
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: a little bit.

597
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: But I got a lot from my journal. It's sitting

598
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: over here.

599
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: I've already written twenty five thousand words. I've got probably

600
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: another fifteen twenty to go before it's a book.

601
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm excited about that.

602
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: But my biggest takeaway, not personally, just overall in the

603
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: world takeaway is I see there is so much trauma

604
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: and pain in the world, so much and anybody you

605
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: walk past you have no idea what they're going through.

606
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: Anybody literally, you know, the guy raking the lawn, the

607
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: guy behind the camera at CNN, Like, everyone has a

608
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: story and it's and some of them are very sad.

609
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: And so I think the biggest thing for Ayahuasca, I

610
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: don't have much trauma. I'm really really blessed to not.

611
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean, childhood was idyllic. I was in toldon had Island,

612
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: ride my mountain bike around, playing basketball, and my brother

613
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: and sister were both were happy, and yeah, everyone was great.

614
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: That part I actually brought me to tears at the

615
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: end of the whole process because just so much gratitude

616
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: because of all these wonderful memories and all this love

617
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: and care that I've been provided and support. But boy,

618
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I heard stories there that you couldn't write in a script.

619
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: No one would believe it.

620
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: But and that's how beautiful it was, meaning beautiful in

621
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: the fact that people were just shared they were there

622
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: to share it, and they were there to tell them

623
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: what they would tell you what they were going through.

624
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: And I had grown men cry in my arms at

625
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: lunch the next day, wow, talking about how terrible their

626
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: father was or something like that.

627
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: And I mean some tough guys too.

628
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean I met some really cool guys there too,

629
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Navy seal who I became buddies with, and another like

630
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: a jiu jitsu champion, and so I met all these

631
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: great people. But my takeaway was gratitude and realizing how

632
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: much people struggle out there.

633
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: But I think.

634
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: Ayahuasco really really unlocks your ability to.

635
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: Appease the trauma. I really do.

636
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: A lot of people talked about spending times with dead

637
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: relatives wow, or with transgressors of their youth, whatever that

638
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: may be.

639
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: And because if you hold on to.

640
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: That, I don't know firsthand, but if you hold on

641
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: to that, that can really ruin everything. Right.

642
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And in my therapy, I've learned you know that

643
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: you could be holding on to some traumas that you

644
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: didn't identify as traumas or because they didn't seem big.

645
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: You know, they didn't seem impactful, but they are in

646
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: ways that really imprint on your life. And if you

647
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: don't do the work of sort of packing that. In

648
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: my case it led to an extreme anxiety disorder and

649
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: a nervous breakdown. But I mean, it can just lead

650
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: to so many things. You know, you pass it on generationally.

651
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: So doing the work on yourself, learning what might have

652
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: been a past trauma or or what you were reacting

653
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: to in your life, you know, things you didn't realize

654
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: you were constantly reacting to. It's just really helpful. I

655
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: would encourage everyone to get, you know, therapy or do

656
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: something like you're describing to just know yourself better.

657
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's funny because Craig, you know, in

658
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: the reunion and even even in this upcoming season, he's like,

659
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: is it possible that some of your behavior is do

660
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: to the post you know Taylor breakup, like or and

661
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: the and you know, the Austin Taylor thing last year.

662
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: It's entirely possible, that's true, But I just don't think

663
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: about it that way, you know what I mean, right, And.

664
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: So you're right, You're right, it's not it's not redline

665
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: every time you know, you don't have to be abused.

666
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: It can be something completely else totally.

667
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: Do you feel different now, Like is it a before

668
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: and after.

669
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: You have to do the work, like you said, And

670
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm the first to admit it. I'm going to write

671
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: a PostScript or a chapter at the end with saying

672
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: I came back and I had all these lovely feelings

673
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: and thoughts, and I reverted a handful of times back

674
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: to exactly why I went there, like what are you doing?

675
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: But I talked to some like my navy seal friend

676
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: I was there was after, you know, just actually like

677
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, after a night that I was just like,

678
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: what happened, you know? And I mean I was fine,

679
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: everybody's fine, nobody got hurt. But I was like, that's

680
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: not what we're trying to do anymore, dude, And he goes, shah,

681
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: you think you can change overnight, you think you're.

682
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: A different person.

683
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: No, No, All habits die hard, and you know, certain

684
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: friendships that you have to sort of draw new bounce

685
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: with friendships too, And so that's something that takes time

686
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: and it takes mistakes. So it's not like a magic pill.

687
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: It's not an elixir, you know. And I learned that

688
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: a little bit the hard way, and I'm still learning.

689
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm still learning about it, but I have it in

690
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: me and maybe I'll go back. I mean, there's other

691
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: stuff I'd like to try, but I mean this this

692
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: is I Okaine, I had, I had, I know, and

693
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: there's something else it's like kind of more intense, and

694
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I invite everyone to at least think about it. Yeah,

695
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: they say, the worst thing that can happen to you

696
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: is nothing, like you come to no conclusions and you

697
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: don't see anything, even the worst episodes on a particular

698
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: night where you know one woman, I should say, this

699
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: is a book, but fuck it, I'll tell you because

700
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: I love you. On the first night, I was in

701
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: there on that pamock outside staring at the Big Dipper

702
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: and the galaxy, and this woman was going berserk. They

703
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: moved her outside and put her on a mattress outside

704
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: just just like she was being absolute torn apart by wolves.

705
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: And I was just like, ugh, this staff was wonderful.

706
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: The staff was there for her. They were saying, breathe

707
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: and you know, it's okay, You're gonna be fine, and

708
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: then she would start laughing maniacally. I was like whoa,

709
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: And I just got up and left because like it

710
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: was like not where.

711
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 3: I didn't need to be around that, and I think

712
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: everybody else did. Just give her space.

713
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: And the next day I went and found her and

714
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: was like, hey, how are you, And she's like, I'm

715
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: actually really good. And I was like, oh god, well

716
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 1: it didn't sound like you last night. She's like yeah, well,

717
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, do you want sharing with me?

718
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: And she said, yeah, yeah, of course I will. She's like,

719
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: my mother committed suicide when I was twelve years old

720
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: and I was with her last night.

721
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: Huh.

722
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh man, how powerful is that?

723
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: You know?

724
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: So, however painful it might be when you're on the medicine,

725
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: it's so therapeutic, I think. And uh, all these people

726
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: just like really coming to terms with a lot of

727
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: serious personal things, including myself.

728
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: Including myself.

729
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: But I mean, this plant based stuff has been going

730
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: on for thousands and thousands of years. This isn't like nothing.

731
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: I mean that it should be explored and studied. And

732
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's from a root and a leaf in

733
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: the Amazons.

734
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: So oh, you're definitely getting me to think about it

735
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: for sure.

736
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you would get so much out of it.

737
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: I really believe that.

738
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: I want to switch gears just a little bit. Why

739
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: why are people obsessed with you settling down. I don't know, right, Like,

740
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: why is that? I think you just know who you

741
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: are and it's not that you're like avoiding marriage. It's

742
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: that I think you think you won't be good at it,

743
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: and that's actually very self aware and responsible.

744
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, man.

745
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I would do toddlers that well, but

746
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: I know it once they walk and talk and their personality,

747
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: I would thrive.

748
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: I would love that.

749
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because let me tell you,

750
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: I've told you this, but listeners, how great you would be.

751
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Because that same day after the reunion we were talking,

752
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: right before you came, you came over to my house

753
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: for the Christmas party's kaplan. Yeah right, I was going

754
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: through something scary with my kiddo and I shared that

755
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: he was having some challenges at that time, and you

756
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: said something so great to me. You said, well, all

757
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: that means is he's going to get that awesome opportunity

758
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: to overcome those challenges and think about how amazing he'll

759
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: be because of that. And it was just such a

760
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: great perspective and it meant a lot to me. But

761
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: that you said that like instinctively, and I think if

762
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: you wanted to, I think you'd be a great dad.

763
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean you have to be, but I

764
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: think you're just your perspective, Yeah, would make you a

765
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 2: great dad.

766
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: I love Kay. I'm a child, you know, and I

767
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: know how to talk to them. I like talking to

768
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: them and hearing what they have to say. And yeah,

769
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: I would love that. It would be so rewarding in

770
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: so many ways. So I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking

771
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: about it a lot. And I'm forty four, about to

772
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: turn forty five, and yeah, I'm accepting all applications.

773
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: Kidding, just you know, double spaced outline.

774
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: For well, speaking of you shot a reality show, a

775
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: dating show called Relationship, did you enjoy that?

776
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be different, I'll say.

777
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: That, like from a production standpoint.

778
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically what I wanted it to be SI was.

779
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: To show a debutante from Dallas is not like a

780
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: beach bum from San Diego, which isn't like a aspiring

781
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: actors from la which isn't like a tech girl from

782
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco who isn't like a hipster from Portland, who

783
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: isn't like a farmer's daughter from Nebraska.

784
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of wanted.

785
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: It to be like a fun like where in the

786
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: world is shep and go out on dates, you know,

787
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: and we're going to examine the local culture and maybe

788
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: even on each date, dress like how I think the

789
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: person would dress in that city, you know, like a

790
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: Dan Dana Nebraska.

791
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: You know, a cowboy hat.

792
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds silly, of course I'm silly

793
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: at my heart at heart, but no, I like, well,

794
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: it's very expensive apparently to go from Cities city with

795
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: all the all the cameras and the crew and stuff.

796
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: So I was pie in the sky. Yeah, I guess

797
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: by like one thing and is that. Yeah, I won't

798
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: get into I'm not going to criticize it. I had

799
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: a lot of fun doing it. It was way different

800
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: than Southern Charm and the fact that it was just me.

801
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: If I was having a bad day, I couldn't sit

802
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: in the corner. Not that I usually do or ever do, really,

803
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: but if you're in an ensemble scene in Southern Charm

804
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: and you're just like you don't have there's not a

805
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. You know, you can pick your spots.

806
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, all of it was on me, and that's cool.

807
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: But let's think about this the girls that were I

808
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: was dating with have never really been on TV, so

809
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I had to lift. I had to do what I

810
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: could to make it the most entertaining thing.

811
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: So I'm proud of that. I really am.

812
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: My improv skills I guess you would call it or

813
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: ad lib abilities.

814
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: And producer skills. I mean that's a producer hat that

815
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: you were wearing to try and make it TV. Yeah,

816
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: I was so.

817
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm proud of it. I don't know, I you know,

818
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: is it a little frustrating that everybody was in a

819
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: house together, like like you know what show? Yes, it was,

820
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: it was a little it kind of watered down everything

821
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Right, I get.

822
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: It, I get it, all right. I want to do

823
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: now lightning round before we say goodbye? All right, what's

824
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: the best sports movie?

825
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Bull Durham?

826
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: I knew because we are such were romantics and we're

827
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: you know, intellectuals a bit, I knew you were going

828
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: to say that. And that's mine too. I just knew it.

829
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: I knew it.

830
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: There's so many though. All the football ones are pretty bad.

831
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: The longest yard is good, I mean that's old. Yeah.

832
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: Burt Reynolds does mash.

833
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: Count Remember the Mash the movie where they played football.

834
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I love Mash. Finally, it's a great movie.

835
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: But that's not that doesn't count as a sports movie.

836
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 3: What are some other ones? Just?

837
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: What's the other Kevin Costner one? And I'm not thinking

838
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: of Field.

839
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: Of Dreams for Lover Money.

840
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean Kevin.

841
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: Kevin Costner has his own genre of sports movies. He's

842
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: got about Jerry Maguire is a good one. I like Rudy.

843
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, there a miracle?

844
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah okay. Next question, who would you bring back if

845
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: you could bring anyone back to Southern charm?

846
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean Cameron of course.

847
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you guys still good friends?

848
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

849
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are, she messaged me this morning if.

850
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: The show ended tomorrow. Who would you still be very

851
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: good friends with?

852
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: Whitney? Okay?

853
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 2: Could you ever live in the North, I mean the

854
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: North of America above the Mason Dixon Line.

855
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I could, I really, I'm just I'm looking, but

856
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather live in the in the Rockies.

857
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so not the not the Northeast, yes, yes, all right.

858
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: You can only choose one. Pheasant hunt or deep sea

859
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: fishing charter pheasant.

860
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: Okay, fly fishing in Alaska pheasant hunt fly fishing in Alaska.

861
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: Oh, and that's an important distinction.

862
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, or part of the Bahamas or something like that.

863
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: I mean, salmon fishing in Alaska is like one of

864
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: my all time favorite things to do. It is, so

865
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: it's like spiritual. I love it. Okay. Lastly, this is

866
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: the question we always ask, and it's very important to

867
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: me personally, culturally, spiritually. When is iced coffee season?

868
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: I don't drink ice coffee. I had, I just don't.

869
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: I like hot coffee.

870
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: I like my coffee hot.

871
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: So for you, iced coffee season is never maybe July

872
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: and August. Okay, that's an incorrect answer. It's your round,

873
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: it's your round. But that's okay. This is this is

874
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: really the only area and where we differ.

875
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: But that's right. I think I can handle that.

876
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: All right.

877
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: Well, what I was about to tell you is that

878
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, we tried. We did our test run on

879
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: on doing this. We knew yeah, yes, doing a podcast

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Speaker 1: and whatever. You know, we by no fault of either

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Speaker 1: of us. Nothing came of it. But uh so, Whitney

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Speaker 1: and I have have started our in the gestation stages

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Speaker 1: of doing something together. So I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 2: And good that Whitney Southerlersmith, who is a producer and

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Speaker 2: sort of creator creator of the show and also was

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Speaker 2: on the show for some seasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna do like a different podcast,

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Speaker 1: like on location somewhere like maybe in Europe, like bouncing

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Speaker 1: around the cities and just do things. And we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do on camera too. So it's gonna be like a

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Speaker 1: podcast on camera. But also so so some of us

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Speaker 1: sitting down, but a lot of us moving around and

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Speaker 1: talking and meeting people. So I love that it could

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Speaker 1: be something different. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: That's great. And you should be on the road. You

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Speaker 2: both of you are childless men who of means, who

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Speaker 2: can travel to incredible places, and that's one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: what you should be doing.

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Speaker 1: And we should and we thrive in these places and

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Speaker 1: then percolate creatively creatively. Yes, so yeah, I'm excited about

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned Cameron. Yeah, this is just an idea,

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Speaker 1: but Cameron, I think is on board. Cameron and I

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Speaker 1: are obsessed with Bigfoot, So oh my god, you should

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Speaker 1: come down. We're gonna go to the big Foot Festival

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Speaker 1: and on camera. Do you want to do you want

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Speaker 1: to join us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to do it.

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Speaker 2: So when I when I had to show at MSNBC,

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Speaker 2: I had I had squatch watchers come on and and

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Speaker 2: talk about like finding Bigfoot and doing squatch calls. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm about love.

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Speaker 3: I love it. Okay, all right, I think it's happening.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much, shep Rose. Friend reality star,

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Speaker 2: but really like member of the family at this point,

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Speaker 2: I just appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. See take care.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next week on Off the Cup, I get

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Speaker 2: to talk to Huey Lewis. It doesn't get any better.

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Speaker 4: I called all the boys in the band and we

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Speaker 4: all went came to my place and we sat there

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Speaker 4: and watched the radio like you used to do in

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Speaker 4: the thirties, you know. And I'm watching the radio and

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Speaker 4: now they say, okay, here's a new band from Marin

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Speaker 4: County and blah blah blah. Do you believe lovers Huey

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Speaker 4: Lewis the news and they play the record and I could.

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Speaker 4: I thought two things and I'll never forget it. One,

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Speaker 4: I thought, Wow, it's going to be a hit at

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Speaker 4: number two, I thought, and it doesn't sound anything like us.

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Speaker 2: part of the recent Choice Network. I'm your HOSTESSIO editing

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Speaker 2: and sound designed by Dirk Clements. Our executive producers are

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