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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from House Supports

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and today is a special episode of

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Speaker 1: Stuff Mom Never Told You, because we're talking very special

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Speaker 1: woman Jane Pratt. Hooray, hooray. Yes, Jane Pratt was the

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Speaker 1: founding editor of Sassy Magazine, which launched in nineteen. By

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Speaker 1: the way, she was twenty four when she got the job,

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Speaker 1: and Sassy was kind of a big deal. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like a touchstone for our our generation, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: well especially our generation of women. Yes, it was like

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Speaker 1: one of the first, if not the first, kind of

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Speaker 1: alternative magazine for young women, because you had things like

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Speaker 1: seventeen and teen and then Cosmopolitan, but then there came Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and following Sassie came Jane Magazine, which I was also

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Speaker 1: super super into as a young woman. Yeah, it launched

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Speaker 1: in after Sassy folded, and most recently, Jane Pratt launched

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Speaker 1: a few years back. Exo Jane, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: Exo Jane focuses on first person essays. Um. The classic

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Speaker 1: kind of tagline for a lot of them is it

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Speaker 1: happened to me and it's all sorts of stories, um

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Speaker 1: about things that have happened to young women and some

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Speaker 1: men as well. But we were really excited to have

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk to Jane just about her observations

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Speaker 1: of young women over the years, the issues that affect us,

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Speaker 1: how feminism has influenced her career, and also whether she's

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Speaker 1: ever going to bring back Sassy. Yeah. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: let's hear from Jane herself. So, Jane Pratt, for our

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Speaker 1: listeners who have been living under a rock and don't

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Speaker 1: know who you are, could you just briefly introduce yourself

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Speaker 1: and talk about all the incredible things that you do?

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, um Yeah. I'm Jane Pratt and I am

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Speaker 1: currently an editor in chief of XO Jane dot com

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Speaker 1: and also oversee Exodine, which is a beauty offshoot of Xojin.

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Speaker 1: Before this, I had two magazines, one called Jane and

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Speaker 1: one before that called Sassy. I've been around doing the

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Speaker 1: same basic thing in different media for many, many many years. Well,

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Speaker 1: and that leads me to my first big question for you,

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Speaker 1: which was since launching Sassy and I believe nineteen and

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Speaker 1: now with XO Jane, have the kinds of issue us

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Speaker 1: and sort of womanhood conundrums to quite an awkward phrase

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Speaker 1: change in what you've heard from your contributors and writers

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Speaker 1: and editors over the years, is today's young woman that

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Speaker 1: different from the young woman of the early nineties day.

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Speaker 1: So I think one of the differences is about pressures

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Speaker 1: on on women to do everything. Um. I think it

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Speaker 1: used to be kind of this glorious like, oh, you

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Speaker 1: and that was like the greatest thing that you could

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Speaker 1: tell your daughter, you know, that she could do whatever

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Speaker 1: she wanted. But now I think that you have to

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Speaker 1: be really careful to say, like, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: do absolutely everything, um. And then also also to be

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Speaker 1: honest about the fact that there are still black ceilings.

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Speaker 1: You know what, did I just see the other day

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Speaker 1: that four hundred wealthiest c e O s or whatever

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Speaker 1: or something like that. You know. So there's still is

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Speaker 1: a long way to go. But I think that the

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Speaker 1: one one thing that I think hasn't changed is that

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Speaker 1: is that most women, I think are still a lot

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Speaker 1: smarter than then. They give away on the outside, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sort of surprised that that hasn't that we haven't

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Speaker 1: how much is really going on in their minds. That

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Speaker 1: is true. Why do you think that is in terms

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Speaker 1: of the that perhaps we're still not as socially free

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that women still share a

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Speaker 1: with other women that I think that. I think that

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Speaker 1: that no kids, no teachers, no parents, no bosses, no

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Speaker 1: unabashed itself. You're just like, this is really what's on

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Speaker 1: we do get We have gotten a good portion of well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's about fift mail readers now who will say,

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Speaker 1: see what women really talk about when they're not in

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Speaker 1: of well women talk about. How did those men tend

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Speaker 1: to respond to hearing what women really talk about? Are

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Speaker 1: it's really educational, sometimes kind of shocking. Um, and then

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Speaker 1: If there's still make an excuse like they'll say that, oh,

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Speaker 1: it was open on my girlfriend's laptop or whatever, you know.

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Speaker 1: But then they'll then they have to guss up when

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Speaker 1: they're in the comments every day and when they're quoting

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Speaker 1: of an article the day before, and you're like, you

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Speaker 1: read the entire thing. You didn't need to do that now.

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Speaker 1: Extra Jane has published so many fascinating, hilarious, some even

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking first person essays, and I was wondering if there

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Speaker 1: a strong impression on you. Yeah, wow, definitely. I Mean

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Speaker 1: one of the formats that we have um for publishing

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Speaker 1: those first person essays is it happened to Me, which

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Speaker 1: is something that I actually started back in Sassy magazine,

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Speaker 1: and um, it's a place where people can tell tell

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Speaker 1: to write it under a pseudonym, to write about an

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Speaker 1: this is a much broader question, but how has feminism

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