1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Law with June Grasso from Bloomberg Radio. 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen, President Trump's former lawyer and fixer, will argue 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: in court tomorrow that his sudden return to prison is 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: illegal retaliation for his decision to write a tell all 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: book about his ex boss before the November election. Cohen, 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: who pleaded guilty in August of eighteen two crimes tied 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: in part to his work for Trump, sued on Monday, 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: accusing the Attorney General and the Bureau of Prisons director 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: of using a false justification to lock him up, joining 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: me as Bloomberg News legal reporter Eric Larson, A little 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: background first, Michael Cohen was serving a three year sentence 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: in prison. Why was he furloughed in the first place. Yes, so, 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: back in March, when the coronavirus pandemic was really getting 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: worse in New York and the prison where he's been 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: at is in New York, he like many other filed 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: a petition to get out of prison and serves the 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: rest of his term in home confinance. Eventually that was granted. 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Um in May, he was put on furlough technically, so 19 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: he was sort of let out with an understanding that 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: shortly thereafter he would come in and and signed some 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: documents and serve the rest of the term, specifically in 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: home confinement. But he never did start that period of 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: home confinement, and when he attempted to is actually that's 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: the moment that they ended up detaining him and sending 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: him back to prison. This gets complicated, as many things 26 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: with Michael Cohen seemed to get complicated. What is he 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: saying in his papers? Why is he saying he was 28 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: sent back to prison? Because there was some reporting that 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: it was because he went out to dinner at a 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: restaurant in New York while he was furloughed, right, So 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: this this spute really has nothing to do with that. 32 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: You know, if he were photographs of dinner while he 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: was on furloughed, you know, that might make sense, because 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: he wasn't on home confinement. Yet. What he says this 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: is about is the book that he's writing about President Trump. 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: He says that he announced it essentially after he was 37 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: let off on furlough, and that after a judge allowed 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: a book by Trump niece Mary Trump to go forward, 39 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: he tweeted about it and offered support and again said 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: that he was going to be publishing his own book, 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: and then a few days after that he reported to 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: the Bureau of Prison to get details about his home confinement, 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: but before he could never get a chance to sign 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: that document. He says, three marshals came in and put 45 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: him in shackles and handcuffs and returned him to prison. 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: Now he's saying that this is happening specifically as retaliation 47 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: for his plan to write this book before the election, 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: which he has said is going to include new information 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: and new anecdotes about the president, and he says that 50 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: it's a violation of his First Amendment right. Did the 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: federal officials admit that they were requiring him to sign 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: a document that he wasn't going to publish a book 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: until after he was out of prison, It's not quite that. 54 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: What the Bureau of Prison says is that for the 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: terms of his home of confinement, they asked him to 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: sign a document that restricted him from communicating with the 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: press in any way, including through books. It also required 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: him to ask his family and friends also not to 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: post about him, and that he would not have asked 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: us to social media. And he told them that this 61 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons meeting He says that this would restrict 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: him from finishing his book, and he needed for their 63 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: details on how he was supposed to publish his book 64 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: while also signing this agreement, and that's again when they 65 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: came in and detained him. So he's saying that this 66 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: is specifically a special document that was created just for him, 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: and the Bureau of Prison says that he refused to 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: sign it, and he says that never happens. Do you 69 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: know whether people are asked often by the Bureau of 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Prisons to sign a document that they, you know, won't 71 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: be involved with the media. It doesn't look like there's 72 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: ever been anything that's broad, at least not that that 73 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: we've seen. He saying that this is a very overbroad 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: and specific for him. He even says that the part 75 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: of the document where they inserted this language had hypographical 76 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: errors and had sort of been typed up in a hurry, 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: they suggest, And the Bureau of Prisons did say in 78 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: a statement afterwards that they had told him that he 79 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: needed to get pre approval for media interviews, and he 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: said that's simply not. What it said, is that that 81 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: there was no communication whatsoever allowed the press, including through books. 82 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: So there's some dispute there between the government and Michael 83 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: Cohen regarding what they were actually asking him to do. 84 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: But either way, he says that he would have signed 85 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: it to avoid going back to prison, but he says 86 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: they never even gave him that chance. And fourth, now 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: he has filed this lawsuit to get out of prison 88 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: immediately and returned back to home confinement where he can 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: finish his book, which he says he wants to release 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: by September. He says that he's been placed in solitary 91 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: confinement without access to a computer or his manuscript. Yeah, 92 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: he says he's he's in solitary confined and that's his 93 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: lawyer said in the filing. And it wouldn't be too 94 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: surprising because he does claim that his health is at 95 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: risk from the coronavirus in that prison. In fact, the 96 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons agreed with that assessment when they agreed 97 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: to let him go, So it could be that they 98 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: are keeping him there for, according to them, for their 99 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: own his own safety. We might find out more about 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: that at the hearing tomorrow on Cohen's emergency motion for 101 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: a restraining order against the government and to be released. 102 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Do I understand that the a c l U is 103 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: helping to represent him. Yes, of course, the a c 104 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: l U. They are big defenders of the First Amendment. 105 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: This is essentially going to boil down to a First 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: Amendment case. You know, the a c l U has 107 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: classed with a Trump administration on a lot of fronts, 108 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: So it's not too surprising that they have picked this up, 109 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: especially since we're talking about another book that might be 110 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: very interesting to voters for the election and just what 111 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: it rep resents, very broadily about the rights of Americans, 112 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the First Amendent rights and political speech and allegations that 113 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: the government could you know, retaliate against someone and essentially 114 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: put them behind bars for trying to essentially criticize the president? 115 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: Is the way to a c l you were sort 116 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: of framing this year, Eric, does Cohen have a publisher 117 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: a book deal? You know? I don't know. I was 118 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: going to ask Simon and Schustar. I don't. I don't know. 119 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: I'm assuming he must because he's claiming that this book 120 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: is going to talk about what happened behind the scenes 121 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: when he represented Trump, as opposed to Bolton's book, which 122 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: told what happened behind the scenes in the Oval office 123 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: and Mary Trump's book, which told what happened behind the 124 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: scenes when Trump was young. So there seems to be 125 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of effort to stop books about President Trump 126 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: before the election. Yeah, I can see how Cohen's book 127 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: could really still a gaps here in terms of answering 128 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: a lot of questions about what went on at some organization, 129 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: and of course all of those allegations about hush money payments. 130 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: You know, the accounts that he pleaded guilty to were 131 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: for past evasion, and also campaign finance violations related to 132 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: those hush payments, and putting to the porn actress Joormy 133 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Daniels who was playing to have had a sexual encounter 134 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: with Somemp. So there's clearly a lot of information that 135 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: that he could have access to that he could be 136 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: putting in the in this book that you know, wouldn't 137 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: have appeared in John Bolton as or Married Trump. But 138 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: this is something he has some real inside information on, 139 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: and he hinted at that in his congressional testimony as well. 140 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: Thanks Eric. That's Eric Lawson, Bloomberg Legal reporter. I'm June 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Grosso and this is Bloomberg