WEBVTT - #453 - Ben Rector On Why He Think He Can’t Win a Grammy

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>I have such a complicated relationship with things like a

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<v Speaker 2>goal and like my job. Since as much as I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be like I'm gonna win a Grammy four

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<v Speaker 2>Album of the Year, my real take is like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's really a possibility for me.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend Ben Rector, it's the second time on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I's got some big songs here, brand new whoa hoo,

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<v Speaker 1>whoa ho hoo hoo hoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, whoa whoa.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a new song called Color Up My World

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<v Speaker 1>that we play a bunch with Hailey Witters. Wait it

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Ben wrote Color Up My World? Yeah, okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>may be a typo, but has written by Ben Folds,

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<v Speaker 1>who's also one of my favorite artists. Different Ben, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Have Ben Folds wrote it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you the typeo ver there?

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<v Speaker 1>No, huh, that'd be cool. Ben Rector and Ben Folds

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<v Speaker 1>and you know other wasn't the Ben's at one time,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't been. It's Ben Lee, Ben Folds and Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Queller Kweller. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the Bens. I loved all the Bens individually too,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love this Ben. So a couple of things here,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Rector. He I basically started playing music at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Arkansas and touring and won like a competition

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<v Speaker 1>and just kept going. You know, one of my friends

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<v Speaker 1>I think I mentioned this, went to one of his

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<v Speaker 1>shows once without knowing who he was. A friend of

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<v Speaker 1>his was like, hey, should come to the show Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Rector And it was an amphitheater and ampeater was sold

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<v Speaker 1>out like eight thousand people. And he's like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>what he sells eight thousand tickets? Like Ben has these massive,

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<v Speaker 1>massive shows, huge following. Made his opry debut in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two. His songs appeared on every single commercial America's

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<v Speaker 1>Got Talent, American Idol, Ellen, World of Dance, Hartlan, Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>Fi vo I could keep going. Really smart guy, great golfer,

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<v Speaker 1>good pickleball player. And my friend here he is Ben Rector.

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<v Speaker 1>How you been.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. I feel like it's nice to be done

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<v Speaker 2>with the tour. But I'm also going through a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of the The first three days you're like this

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<v Speaker 2>is incredible, and then you're like, oh my gosh, what

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<v Speaker 2>am I doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have other I mean, you're you're not retired

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<v Speaker 1>from music all the way right, like this is You're done?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not. But I honestly I feel like I,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is probably a conversation for real life.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm always trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to look like, and this is I have

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<v Speaker 2>the symphony shows after this, but not you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like in my next huge tour.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean look like like the perception of

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<v Speaker 1>the artist Ben Rector.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm fixing this, Mike stan pushould be doing that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>what I how I define success? What I want my

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<v Speaker 2>life to look like? Which is too big of a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Hillary at this point is so patient but always like

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<v Speaker 2>rolls ride, She's just like, you do whatever you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know? I didn't know this? You may have

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<v Speaker 1>known this. Did you know sometimes our wives escape to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about us.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. Did you know that? I mean a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. I don't know the extent you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I only heard about it, like the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Hillary's probably just like been so great, That's what she says. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when they compare us, they compare how great

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<v Speaker 1>we are?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's better?

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<v Speaker 1>Who could say I didn't I I literally didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that my wife adores your wife way more

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<v Speaker 1>than I adore you, so that their friendship isn't natural, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 1>They had been, and my wife doesn't tell me anything

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure whatever they say they say for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think there's probably some neuro tendencies that we

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<v Speaker 1>both have that they can talk about and the other

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<v Speaker 1>person at least somewhat relates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I think that's right. I mean, Hillary tells

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<v Speaker 2>me everything, but I don't know what good she doesn't good.

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<v Speaker 2>She's mentioned, she's mentioned that they've connected on that and

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<v Speaker 2>it's been good. I think it is good. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're I feel like we're both a little bit odd.

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<v Speaker 2>You know people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by a odd, you mean extremely good looking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hot. Yeah, people are always telling me that. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it's a mixture. I'm gonna speak for

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<v Speaker 1>me and possibly you. I would say it's a mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of for me not understanding really where balance ever is,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the line of extremely secure and wildly insecure

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<v Speaker 1>and not knowing where that ever is.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, I think that's exactly right. I think also the

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<v Speaker 2>spice of like it being a public job is sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>lonely and probably maybe I don't mean to be like

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<v Speaker 2>it's unique, like special, but maybe more unique than a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's like, I'm a lawyer and I work too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's other stuff kind of like tangled up in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes maybe that like a solo identity, meaning you're the

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<v Speaker 1>only ben rector.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know what I meant by that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's weird stuff that comes along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like weird side dishes that maybe don't happen with

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<v Speaker 2>other meals.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree, Yeah, I would say in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that my friends that are professional athletes that play

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<v Speaker 1>solo sports are way nuttier th my friends who play

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<v Speaker 1>on tea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, very fair.

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<v Speaker 1>My one of my dearest friends, Andy Rotick, is a

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<v Speaker 1>tennis player, one of the greatest guys, but out of

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<v Speaker 1>a skull, right, like because everything's on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the kind of person that self selects into

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<v Speaker 2>that and then continues to self select into that is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty specific.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he chose and continue to choose to grind away

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<v Speaker 1>sold everything's good and bad. It's all on him, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different than a buddy that plays in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>And has it one of eleven? Yeah, you know that's

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<v Speaker 1>back there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say you're coming off tour and you're figuring

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<v Speaker 1>it out, so what is it? I still don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what you meant, like how it's presented.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say to use a workout analogy. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>when you're doing a tour or making a record or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>you have like a trainer that's like, this is exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what you do. You don't have to think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's challenging, but there's not a lot of brain

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<v Speaker 2>power expended on like what am I doing actually or

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<v Speaker 2>like creatively, what am I doing? And then when you're

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<v Speaker 2>done with that, because when I'm on tour, I'm always like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to take a break because it is it

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<v Speaker 2>is a grueling thing, but there's a part of you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that when you're done with that, it's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like, Okay, now what do you want to do?

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to make it all up. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>as you were saying a little earlier, like I'm I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm always like trying to find balance and

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<v Speaker 2>my brain doesn't help me do that very well, because

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<v Speaker 2>like anytime I'm like I'm going to find balance in

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<v Speaker 2>this way. It's like you're being lazy, you're being whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think at this point, I'm like, oh, I'm not,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty one anymore, and I want to see

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<v Speaker 2>my kids and having some semblance of a normal life,

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<v Speaker 2>So like, what do I want to look what I

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<v Speaker 2>want that to look like? But that's a big it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a big math problem. I don't know how to like

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<v Speaker 2>really try to solve it.

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<v Speaker 1>You felt yourself modifying goals because you're not twenty one anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I'm a bad person to ask about this

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like I have such a complicated relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with things like like a goal in like my job

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<v Speaker 2>since because I don't know really what's possible as far

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<v Speaker 2>as like, as much as I want to be like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna win a Grammy for Album of the Year,

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<v Speaker 2>my real take is like, I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>really a possibility for me. I don't think that that's

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<v Speaker 2>like a thing that is going to happen. And I

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<v Speaker 2>can feel the Instagram like hustle people be like not

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<v Speaker 2>with an attitude like that, it's not So there's that,

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's also the part of it. That's like,

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<v Speaker 2>as things have gone better and better, I haven't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>become happier and happier. And so I'm like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to like round this out with some more balance,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know how to like actually approach that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very difficult, and I think other I envy people

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<v Speaker 2>who don't have a complicated relationship with it, the people

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<v Speaker 2>that are just like I want to drive the sickest

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<v Speaker 2>car in the world. So people look at me and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, what a sick car that guy drives, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, I wouldn't want to drive that car

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<v Speaker 2>because I wouldn't want people to think, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a complex. I don't know and probably think

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<v Speaker 2>about everything a little too much. But that's that is

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<v Speaker 2>a challenge for me. I don't know what is reasonable

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<v Speaker 2>to aim for goal wise, and uh, I don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>know what I want goal wise, as clear as I

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<v Speaker 2>can say it, I want to do really good work

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<v Speaker 2>and be proud of it. That's like the central theme

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<v Speaker 2>after I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thrown goalposts, how do you know where to kick it? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the deal, and that's I mean, that's this is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about this right now, because I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm literally trying to figure that out. And on every project,

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<v Speaker 2>were watching the Last Dance finally.

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<v Speaker 1>The basketball documentary from from COVID. Yes, oh well there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's something.

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<v Speaker 2>Called Love is Blind.

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<v Speaker 1>You should.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we finished the Soprano King. Yeah, we've finished the

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<v Speaker 2>Sopranos like two weeks ago. We went right into the

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<v Speaker 2>Last Dance. Anyways, a lot of it, you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've watched it is him like coming up

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<v Speaker 2>with a game within a game for himself. And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like on every project I kind of do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, on this project, I want to do

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. The hard part now is I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>do I want to aim at? I've done it enough

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<v Speaker 2>times that I have I feel like a relatively good

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what it's going to feel like or be

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<v Speaker 2>like at the end of it. And it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>expensive thing internally, like it's like, oh man, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a wreck for a long time, you know, building

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. And so now it's like, okay, like what

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to aim at? And I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think those goals would be different if I

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<v Speaker 2>thought if I you know, if I was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a legitimate shot to achieve X y Z goal,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know the ven diagram of what I

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<v Speaker 2>actually want and what is possible for me. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard because if you were like, how good do you

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<v Speaker 2>think your work is? Like, I think it's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel totally confident in it. But I also think

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<v Speaker 2>that the way that some typical goalposts look now, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I just don't know if that's like a

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<v Speaker 2>fit for me. I don't know if it's an option

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<v Speaker 2>for me, and so I think it's like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want to go through the

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<v Speaker 2>Rocky training montage being like I'm going to win a Grammy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to win a Grammy. It's just like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm going to I don't think to

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<v Speaker 2>make the right genre of music for that. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>okay with me, Like that is all right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't just want it bad enough that i'd like try

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<v Speaker 2>to not that I could make this happen, but like

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I'm gonna make the best I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what classical whatever record to try because there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of competition and I gonna do that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of words.

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<v Speaker 1>When I mentioned modifying, because you said twenty one. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the space that I'm in now is where

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<v Speaker 1>I would just go and do everything if I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like it was getting me closer to a goal. But

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<v Speaker 1>I did everything, and most things did not get me

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<v Speaker 1>closer to a goal. Sure, and I in the same way,

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<v Speaker 1>don't like I'm not twenty eight even thirty one anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've also realized that just doing everything to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>something really most of the time doesn't end up in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you'd like it. So why am I

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<v Speaker 1>wasting so much time and energy? So I've started saying

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<v Speaker 1>no to a lot more things, and it's kind of cool,

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<v Speaker 1>But now I feel like I'm saying no to too much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like no, no, no, no. But I'm only doing

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<v Speaker 1>it because I've done it, not wrong, because I've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are a lot of things. I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>an example, and I can talk about this. I've not

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it, but I had mentioned on this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>probably a few months ago that the ccma's which is

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<v Speaker 1>the Canadian Country Musicors that asked me to host the

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<v Speaker 1>show and I was like, that's cool. I'll go up

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<v Speaker 1>get a jacket, you know, it's Canada, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>do some comedy and host their award show and that'd

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty cool. And we were kind of talking with

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<v Speaker 1>them and they were super nice, super cool, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing bad to say about it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But they was like, oh yeah, Also, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna have a co host and it's Thomas Rhett and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, cool, I love tr like all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know I had to co host.

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<v Speaker 1>But as long as like TR is gonna do this

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<v Speaker 1>tr thing and I'll do my thing, that's fine. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all good. And then they're like, well, we don't have it.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to add a Canadian and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>now it's three people and I'm being though right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't have anything against any of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but for me to want to do this and to

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<v Speaker 1>really do the job that I want to do, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like I'm going to have enough room for

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<v Speaker 1>me to not somewhat resent the energy I'm putting into

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<v Speaker 1>it totally. And so I was just like, hey, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't any shot anything negative. It was old

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<v Speaker 1>me five years ago you know what, I'm still going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. Yeah, but today I'm just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm making more of those decisions now because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not twenty one anymore. Same goals, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I have to run every rat will now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and I think like part of me the miniature

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<v Speaker 2>game that I'm playing now is like, so to use

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<v Speaker 2>a golf analogy, you know, like I usually if I'm putting,

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<v Speaker 2>I've missed on the high side of the hole. I've

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<v Speaker 2>like done too much, and I always been like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to like change that a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time, I'm like, you know what, if

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<v Speaker 2>I missed this putt, I'm gonna miss on the low

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<v Speaker 2>side of the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Email someone to email. Oh it's God, he says, good job, Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>Dear Ben, I'm really proud of you. Got it. God

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, God, God dot com. No, wait, he got

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<v Speaker 2>God dot com And that's yeah, he was early on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I want to I want to start to

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<v Speaker 2>miss a little bit, like I've never I have done

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<v Speaker 2>that sum but not really. I usually am like doing

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<v Speaker 2>too much there was a I was asked to do

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<v Speaker 2>some shows for the Navy in Japan. Like it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been in a couple days, maybe a couple weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and I was like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty sick. It was like good money. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go to Japan. Hillary is great. She was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like maybe you should do it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's two weeks and I was like, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think I should do it. Had this tour,

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<v Speaker 2>have the symphony shows this summer, and I've it's just

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<v Speaker 2>been a minute since I've been like I'm just like

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<v Speaker 2>a normal guy hanging out. This is great. So I

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<v Speaker 2>said no to it, and I I really didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that was the right decision, but I remember talking

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<v Speaker 2>to her was like, I want to miss on the

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<v Speaker 2>low side of the hole for the first time in

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<v Speaker 2>a while. I want to feel what it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, I should have done that, because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I've almost never done that. I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>like ooh, this was too much, And to me, I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the small game that I'm playing now is like miss

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit on the low side to see what

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<v Speaker 2>that feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think you can't win a Grammy?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the style of music that is popular, so like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the music that I make now sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like or is most like what pop music was maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, fifteen or twenty years ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that with the music that I see that's

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<v Speaker 2>like pop music now, I'm just like, I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>it's not really it's almost like, uh, the genre like

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<v Speaker 2>scootered over and now I don't totally have like a

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<v Speaker 2>home I don't know I had. I don't see any

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<v Speaker 2>like people doing stuff like I do winning awards really

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not I hope that doesn't sound like aw shucks,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's so sad. It's totally fine. It is just

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<v Speaker 2>like it's not really what I feel like is celebrated

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<v Speaker 2>in a critical sense. And I think, I mean, like

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<v Speaker 2>the music I make is not like gonna be like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna be a critical darling. That was that

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<v Speaker 2>the word critical darling.

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<v Speaker 1>Critics all love you, that would be a critical darling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I'm not. That's it's that that's not really

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<v Speaker 2>like the zone that I've been in. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just like I just don't see a

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<v Speaker 2>realistic path for that. And I mean, honestly, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's not it is not it is not not

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<v Speaker 2>pop music. But I think if we looked at like

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<v Speaker 2>the Grammy nominees, it would just be like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it's not really like it's not really the thing

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of music do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about this. I think probably as I would

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<v Speaker 2>just call it like American music. It's like, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>how about.

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<v Speaker 1>This not American? No, no, no way at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>No, just like because think about like James Taylor, if

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<v Speaker 2>he was twenty two right now, it wouldn't really be pop.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not totally folk, it's not country. It's like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just like a mashup of those things. But I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, and I'm not saying I make music exactly

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but I think I don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>you'd call. It wouldn't really be alternative. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what it would be. So I think, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to make a new genre here. When I

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<v Speaker 2>like talk to him in an airplane, I'll just be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like kind of like singer songwriter, it's like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of pop. That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say when someone randomly comes up and goes,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of music do you do? My friend loves you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd be like, I make uh. I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like singer songwriter stuff, kind of like pop, but

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<v Speaker 2>not like that's way too many words, bro, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, that's the issue. So I'm trying to American music.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel though the genres are becoming way, way, way

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<v Speaker 1>much less of a thing except for financial classification. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning okay, country, what does that even mean? Who cares?

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<v Speaker 1>Except for there are stations that are going to make money.

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<v Speaker 1>There are platforms are going to make money by going country,

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<v Speaker 1>and anything they put into it, regardless of what it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like, is going to be that genre finger quotes

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<v Speaker 1>to make revenue until they decide to change it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's like it. I feel like there

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<v Speaker 2>are certain genres that there's like a lot of infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think countries like that, Christians like that, like festivally

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<v Speaker 2>music and now I don't. I don't know exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of Americana stuf. There's like some infrastructure there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think what's really happened is like pop is and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so this is just I'm I'm not in authority on this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think like it's become a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it used to be a little more identifiable,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's like several genres of music together and

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like hard to be like, what is that? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it used to be like it's just popular music,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it kind of had a sound, and I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like now it's kind of back to like widely

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<v Speaker 2>popular music, but it's hard to wrap your arms around

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<v Speaker 2>what makes it that or not. Whereas other genres have

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<v Speaker 2>very specific boundaries, like the country has like some like instrumental, lyrical,

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<v Speaker 2>sonic themes, Christian music has the exact same thing, American

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. And I feel like pop is now

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's really hard if you ask me outside of

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<v Speaker 2>like artists, how to define pop music now, I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how to do that. It's I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't name instruments, I couldn't name so types, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be like whatever. I don't know, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think I would say pop now is the top seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>percent of every specific genre totally. Yeah, you know, whether

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of what Top forty was back in like

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties when they started Top forty, which was literally

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<v Speaker 1>the top forty songs, it didn't matter what genre it

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<v Speaker 1>was if it was the biggest song rock alternative. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to think what I would classify your music

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<v Speaker 1>as if I was to create a new genre.

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<v Speaker 2>I think singer song is probably not gonna go with

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<v Speaker 2>that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with warm alternative.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh honestly, it's pretty good, but it's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>It is definitely not the same as anything else. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can't go just straight alternative. No, it's not because

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<v Speaker 1>your your tones, but a warm alternative that I like,

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do? I do warm alternative?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's tweeter bio. Yeah I don't have Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>but what does that mean? Look it up?

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<v Speaker 1>Check it out by they look it up, You're gone

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<v Speaker 1>one artist.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even matter. Warm alternative dot com. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>my picture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting when you talk about not having a home.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I moved here. I moved here from

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<v Speaker 1>because when I was doing pop, this has been ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. So but when I was doing pop, I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing pop ten years ago eleven wow hoop and

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop? Yeah, oh wow, I was doing I was

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<v Speaker 1>too country to do pop and hip hop. We'd play

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like now, we don't play a lot of music,

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<v Speaker 1>but the stations that we were on would be pop

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<v Speaker 1>and hip hop and so but I would do and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd have whatever. But i'd have some country artists to

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<v Speaker 1>because I liked country music. But people were like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>too country to be pop or hip hop, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I did sign a one song record deal as a

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop artist. True story.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it out there on the net?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably somewhere. It's on the internet. Yeah, it's not on Spotify,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god. However, when I got country, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>year two pop to be country. So I never really

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<v Speaker 1>had a home, yeah, meaning a place that I just

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<v Speaker 1>felt welcomed. It almost is where I fall when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to politics, because I don't say I'm down the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think if you averaged me out, I'm probably

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<v Speaker 1>pretty close on average because I definitely have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>big capitalists, but I'm like a progressive, capitalist, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are sensibilities I have from going up and growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in the South with guns and then but also it's

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<v Speaker 1>like gay people, let them have kids, that's awesome, let

0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:34.320
<v Speaker 1>them get married, rock and roll. So when you like

0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:40.080
<v Speaker 1>equal these things out, it's kind of ish And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not in the middle. Yeah, but I don't have a home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah totally.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I've found is most people don't have a home.

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.359
<v Speaker 1>But there's not like a central I don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>home horn to blow.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. I think I agree that most people

0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.840
<v Speaker 2>are there. And I think too a lot of like

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<v Speaker 2>what the genres that have infrastructure do well is they

0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of like have an offering for people, where like

0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 2>if you can be I think country does this incredibly well.

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.360
<v Speaker 2>People are like I'm a country music fan, and it's like, great,

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.280
<v Speaker 2>we got a bunch of stuff in the country music store,

0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 2>and I think like same for Christian Americana, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrap whatever. But I think what's interesting right now is

0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.440
<v Speaker 2>pop is I feel like it's it's it's it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more random store wise. In fact, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like uh now, Sean it goes viral totally I mean,

0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what pop is now, viral and and.

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<v Speaker 2>I think realistically that's that is a part of that

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of it. When you're like, oh, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't you think you could Winnegramy, It's just like I think,

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<v Speaker 2>like the things that I do well don't necessarily line

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<v Speaker 2>up with virality, because I feel like if you were

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<v Speaker 2>if you were like, describe your music's your music thematically,

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:53.240
<v Speaker 2>like lyrically, I'd be like, oh, it's not like sexy

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.880
<v Speaker 2>exciting themes. It's like find peace in your life. Good

0:22:56.880 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 2>things are like hard, they take a long time, celebrate

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the nuances of life, like you know. That's I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm not saying it couldn't go viral, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel like that's not necessarily it's not like a

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<v Speaker 2>not a dessert, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two points I want to make. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to forget the second one, so make a note.

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<v Speaker 1>But the first one would be you have a lot

0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 1>of stuff go at least semi viral. That's not even

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:25.639
<v Speaker 1>songs that you record for someone listening to your music.

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Meaning when you do American airlines, we might crash and

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.120
<v Speaker 1>you might die because the door just blew off whatever

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's not the lyrics. Sure, but that stuff

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>hits hard.

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Sure. Sure, So to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Your stuff doesn't go viral maybe specific songs, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're a smart enough guy. If you were just

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna produce a freaking crazy viral record, no doubt.

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:49.640
<v Speaker 2>You could do that. Maybe.

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how when you put out Color My World

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the video, Yeah, I have not, I haven't tracked your

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>data on that. How has that done? Because esthetically, like

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I have, like it's it's like dopamine hit after dopamine hit.

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.119
<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting. I think that that. I think the

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>video's really good. I think even that it did like okay,

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like WHOA like blew the doors off. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I'm saying. I think the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, the kind of thing that is going viral

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:21.200
<v Speaker 2>right now for real, if it's a song, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more unpredictable to me. I'm like, I don't know,

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anybody who's been able to game that system.

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 2>It's usually like retroction, like whoa, this thing worked. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I and I think the real point to your point

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<v Speaker 2>about like, oh, you've had stuff co kind of viral. Yeah,

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.479
<v Speaker 2>but the hard part is like it's not really songs

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>or music. It's like it's like an entertainment product. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you told me right now the whole game was

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 2>gained as many followers as you could. I know what

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I would do, but that doesn't flip over into changing

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 2>my music or like my art really, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I want to be an influencer professional, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I got like two points to bounce off that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to fig up my freaking out.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I now forgot my other one, and I even

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<v Speaker 1>made a mental note not to forget it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>With that point, I feel like you're saying you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to create your art, and you're separating the two

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 1>a bit. I got my point before I get to

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 1>this one. Okay, I got four points. I'm lost, but

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I got this one. And you and I have talked

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>about this away from a microphone where and I brought

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<v Speaker 1>up a Grammy and again I'll just compare it to me.

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Then you can jump in and say I'm stupid or

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 1>not stupid. But I always thought I'm going to be

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 1>a big pop culture expert on mainstream radio whatever that meant.

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to be so cool being mainstream and

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>know everything that everybody's going to have me, which was

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 1>an any TV show would want me. I'd be an expert.

0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 1>What I found was that the more I tried to

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>be everything to every one and not saying you're doing this,

0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:59.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'll get to my point, that nobody cared totally.

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 1>So here I am. I'd built my own show with

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:06.640
<v Speaker 1>my own money. I got thirty markets tech. Nobody cared

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>because there were just people that were doing specifically what

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I was doing, way better than what I was doing.

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>But when I was like, hey, let's go to Nashville,

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 1>there's never been a national show. My contract was up,

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>they had bought my syndication company from me. When I

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 1>move here, and all of a sudden, I had propelled

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:29.399
<v Speaker 1>to the top of this area. All those people that

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk to me when I was like,

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm mainstream, all the people in the mainstream were like, oh,

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 1>we want to talk to the guy that's the expert.

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>But then so I met them, and then that allowed

0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 1>me to like expand to where I would compare this

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.479
<v Speaker 1>to I think this is how your grammy happens, if

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>you'd like to know.

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Of them all yours.

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I thought about this, okay, and I was saving it

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>for on Mike in case it was just sick, in

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>case it was so stupid. I think your grammy happens

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>not through here's a record and here's a great song.

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I think your grammy happens through I made a great

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>song ento the a movie commercial, uh chair, whomever uses

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>it from that. Charlie Pooth, for example, when he did

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>No Mike was a song, furious song.

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, how's it start? It's piano.

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>It's been a lot less see you again. Yeah, that

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>was a good song, great song. We wouldn't have known

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.439
<v Speaker 1>it for what it was it not took a ride

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>with the movie.

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Pun intended absolutely.

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I think that is where your art meets that reward.

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Because warm alternative only cages so far.

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh warm alternative fans love it. Yeah, But in the

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.360
<v Speaker 2>in the in the big bad world, people are like, well.

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't mean your music isn't amazing, But like

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you said, there's only nothing like it, but there's everything

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of like it. Yeah, but when it attaches to

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>something that people freaking love, that personal connection happens to

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>which song of the year.

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that if I were like.

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Our gun to head house been gonna get some stupid

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 1>acolade that doesn't matter, although it does. But really the

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 1>grand scheme, that would be how it happens if they

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>were to go college commercial where they're flying over campus

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and playing a song that would be your song. But

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that's how it happens for you in the

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 1>same way that it got to happen for me in

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>a different scale. It's like I found a new walking

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>partner I felt comfortable with, but didn't change anything that

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, And I think I think that that is true.

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would ever. I think everyone right

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 2>now it feels like they're kind of like chasing stuff.

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know that I've ever made a great

0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 2>thing from chasing something else.

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you have to chase.

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think I would. I

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>think it would. I would want to make something that

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 2>is uniquely continue it makes stuff that's like unique to

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>me and see kind of what can happen out in

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the world. And I think that I do agree. I

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>think that's probably the best scenario for something like.

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>That, But that's what happens. That's what happens. Something sees

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and feels what you're doing. Oh god, it is awesome. Boom,

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>next thing, you know, you're the sweetheart of the Grammies

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 1>for a year, then they're ready forgets again, and then

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you're like, dang, why did I put so much emphasis

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>on a Grammy Because I'm the same freaking person.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Right now and I think that. But honestly, that's that

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 2>is part of it for me at this point. So

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 2>many things have happened that I was like, oh, this

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>is never going to happen. That it happens. That the

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>real thing, more than any specific goal, is being like,

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>oh wait, I see how this is always going to

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 2>be because if you've showed me my life to me,

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, many years ago, fifteen years ago, be

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.239
<v Speaker 2>like this is unbelievable. Just like you kind of get

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>numb to that stuff. And so that's part of me

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>is just like yeah, I don't I don't want to.

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't want to. I know I wouldn't

0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>chase it, but I don't want to like actually try

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>to be like, well, I know, then this will feel

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>different it's like, no, it's just always gonna feel like this,

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>that's what it's gonna feel like.

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's okay, Yeah, I feel that too, But then

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I get a little excited sometimes.

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>And I don't. I don't. I think that the proper

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>like heart posture for me and maybe for everybody is

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.239
<v Speaker 2>like it's like, enjoy the fun stuff like it's and

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>when I get to do a fun, cool thing, and

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be like, well, this doesn't matter,

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, it's awesome, But I don't think that

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it's necessarily gonna be like ideal going forward to be

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to use as fuel. I'm not gonna be happy until

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I get over this next mountain, because it's like, well, dude,

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 2>we're like fifteen mountains deep here and I'm feeling like

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty much the same Hank Tight The Bobby Cast will

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 2>be right back.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

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<v Speaker 1>These shows that you're doing with the orchestra, how many.

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>People between twenty five and thirty five hundred.

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.479
<v Speaker 1>No, in the band. That's a big band, the orchestra.

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>If you get twenty hundred people in.

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Orchestra, it's twenty five on first orchestra Colley, I don't

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 2>actually know. It's a little mister Beast type stuff. I bet,

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>I bet, I mean, honestly, I bet everybody on stage

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 2>it might be like seventy people.

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Can you hear if somebody's I don't know how many

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>horns you have? Okay, if there's you say you have

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>three horns and one of them is a goblet horn,

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>big horn.

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Guy hereail nail, and both of it.

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>If one of the horns a little off, can hear it?

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>It's Cody can hear that a little better than I can.

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>It's easier for me to hear it when I'm listening

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not playing. So the way they work because you

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>fly in and then you the day of the first show,

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>you do rehearsal with the orchestra and so there's a

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of moving parts there. You're like, I need to

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>remember my stuff and do this correctly, and so on

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the first run through. If something is bad wrong, if

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 2>someone hits a like wrong note, I can.

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Hear that tempo though somebody a little tempo off or

0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>is that never the case? No?

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 2>So that's the deal. It's it's that's part of what's

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 2>fun about it is most people, myself included for full

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>band shows are playing to a click, so everyone is

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>like supposed to be dialed in. This is we don't

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 2>have any your monitors at all. We have wedges on

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the floor and we can hear the orchestra just it's

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 2>in the room. Develops you, which is cool, but it's

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 2>also like the difference in like running a jet ski

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<v Speaker 2>around and driving like a huge boat. It's like steering.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know seventy or eighty people. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>that many people, maybe more. It's it's not like you're

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<v Speaker 2>not like totally dial it's kind of like inferred. We're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of about right here. So tempo is actually

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<v Speaker 2>a huge challenge because we don't we don't bring a

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<v Speaker 2>drummer with us. It's just me and Cody in the orchestra.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to kind of let go of any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of critique of current while you're doing it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's you. It is fun because you're kind of reacting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a real time like, oh, like we're going

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<v Speaker 2>this direction. It's a little slower than I thought. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to try to speed it up. Whereas a normal

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 2>full band show everyone's aiming for like perfection it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you're a part of a living organism and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>just be like we're going here. It's like, oh, you

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<v Speaker 2>can like shift a little bit, but it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to like change it totally.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were going to do a podcast, what would

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you do it on?

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<v Speaker 2>I already know the answer to this, and I actually

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<v Speaker 2>want to do it with the problem is it's too short.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do a podcast called what What do

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<v Speaker 2>You Eat for Breakfast? And the pitch is I did

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<v Speaker 2>this maybe three years ago, maybe four. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>birthday dinner and we went in on the table everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>breakfast routines, and I know all the people, they're well,

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<v Speaker 2>and what was really interesting was you Actually it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you don't doctor that up for anybody. Like the clothes

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.959
<v Speaker 2>you wear are all for public consumption kind of it's like, well,

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>this is what I want you to see my whatever

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the boots are called, and be like, oh those boots.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever you do breakfast when no one's watching, And so

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<v Speaker 2>all of your idiosyncrasies come out and it's like really

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<v Speaker 2>quirky and funny. It says a lot about the person.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you really dive deep and like if

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<v Speaker 2>right now is like, what are you eat for breakfast?

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<v Speaker 1>Do it with me?

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<v Speaker 2>Ok great? Uh, welcome to What do you Eat for Breakfast?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for the first episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh big fan of you too. So we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>through your morning routine. What do you eat for breakfast?

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<v Speaker 2>Step by step?

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<v Speaker 1>So I wake up very early?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? What time?

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<v Speaker 1>Three thirty?

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<v Speaker 2>Alarm? I have one? I never get to it. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have one set? Or two? Set?

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<v Speaker 1>Two? And then a third like an hour later? In

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<v Speaker 1>case I don't know, I die?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the last time you slept until you're alarm?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the interesting data so far, alarm doesn't hit you

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<v Speaker 2>wake up at three thirty, it's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably like three twenty seven, three twenty six alarm never hits.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, and you you get out of bed fast

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<v Speaker 2>forward me to where you're gonna eat something or drink something?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Almost immediately I walk out the dogs. But then while

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing that, I'm planning my meal. There's always a

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>couple options. And what I had some overnight oats. I'm

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:07.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to lose like twenty pounds in three weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of overnight oats? Oats overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the night they oded? Oh yeah, I don't know.

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 2>There's just in a jar.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife made them, okay, Yeah, so she'll make like

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<v Speaker 1>four or five things of overnight oats and she'll put

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<v Speaker 1>like some little berries in it. So but for me,

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>it's about efficiency. Yeah, And if they're not there, I

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>will just grab what I can eat quickly so I

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>can get started. But I had overnight oats this morning

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<v Speaker 1>with a little bit of berry on it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I can I have two beef sticks just for protein.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd always match to take the palette. But I'll protein

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<v Speaker 1>before I leave the house too.

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<v Speaker 2>How many how many work days are you eating overnight oats?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it every day?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Five?

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay? And a beef stick every day also or just

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:48.320
<v Speaker 2>any protein option.

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Beef sticks are the easiest way for me to remember

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to do it, Okay, So yes, I will say beef

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<v Speaker 1>sticks because more times than not, unless i'm out, if

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm out of everything, I'll eat cereal like three wishes

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>cereal with low sugar. But mostly it's over and I oh,

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>it's some beef sticks.

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<v Speaker 2>High efficiency. And so how long you said it's your

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 2>feeding the dogs. Do you drink anything with this? I

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 2>make a.

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Juice kind of thing with coconut water and then a

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>little bit of pineapple juice and a little bit of lime,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and then I put in my ag because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't get enough greens.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to try those actually.

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 1>So they don't taste good. But if you cover them

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>up with what I'm doing and putting in multi juices

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<v Speaker 1>like a twelve year old.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it in a blender? No?

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I put it in a jar and shake it.

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of jar?

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a mason jar. We have like fifteen of them

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>that rotate.

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 2>And is it the two piece top three piece? Yeah?

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Top top, top is two pieces, but yeah, three pieces

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of total that little flat things out of it. Yeah,

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>so so you you put that in then you shake

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>it up ice, no ice. That stuff's in the fridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Coconut water, probably three quarters. I don't know whatever's in there.

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<v Speaker 2>You really don't know. Do you not pick it out? No?

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes just order it like on Uber Eats if I'm out,

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>otherwise my wife will grab it.

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<v Speaker 2>No preference if you if you no pulp, but yeah,

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>no preference. You wouldn't notice. What if I if I

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>switched it out. No, okay, coconut water, pineapple? What else?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Lime?

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Lime?

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that fills up?

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Are you do you have a lime juice or juice? Yeah,

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>not lime.

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 1>They make lime juice, but lime juice.

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Like the one that looks like a lime you unscrew

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>the top.

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 1>No, that's old cool grandma stuff.

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that's what I thought. This it's in it.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:30.919
<v Speaker 1>This isn't a big jar as well?

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:34.439
<v Speaker 2>A big jar? Like, have you purchased it? I don't

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 2>go to the store, so I'm just saying, has some

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 2>has someone made the juice?

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it's but it's bought lime juice in

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>a jar? Like yeah, I like, I don't know what's this?

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Eight inches?

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, that's fine. Not that's a hopefully as morning

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:47.919
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, hopefully it's like ten.

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>But yeah I was.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I would say, yeah, that's that's it, okay, And then

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I had that for breakfast, and again I ate one

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 1>beef stick before I one beef stick in the car,

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and that's breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>Total total amount of time from you grabbing the overnight

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>oats to being done consuming food.

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't time doesn't factor in because it's easy to do.

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 1>If you need a guess, seven minutes while I'm working.

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.399
<v Speaker 2>Seven minutes while you're working, what time is that? Four am?

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 1>For four four fifteen?

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What do you eat on the weekend?

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>My wife and I will go I have like you

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>nice breakfasts. Yeah, and we'll go and have like a

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>brunch type thing where I think my typical now is

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:37.760
<v Speaker 1>potatoes and one scrambled egg and two pieces of beef

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>down at this place called Urban Market.

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 2>So per you just told me about Urban Market.

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, literally, that's that's Caitlin's favorite place to go. So

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 1>that clean. Otherwise, if I don't keep it so regimented,

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I will eat all sugar. Ill eat cookies for breakfast.

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>So I can't because I will eat all cookies. I

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>will eat ten bowls. I was telling Kevin Kluge, our trainer,

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.279
<v Speaker 1>even if I'm eating low sugar, I'll eat twenty bowls

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:00.919
<v Speaker 1>of cereal a week if I if I just start

0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>having cereal.

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>If you don't like pre make those decisions. If so,

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 2>so a day that you go, there's no overnight otes,

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:09.359
<v Speaker 2>there's no anything, I.

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Go a hand, then then what it is it? It's

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>whatever I get my hands on. And if it's really good.

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna stop eating it really because I have

0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>no self I have control on what I expose myself to,

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>but once I'm exposed to have a lot of I

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>have a very much lack of self control.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm similar. I feel like I can be pretty disciplined

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 2>and then if it's like oops, then it's.

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Like and keeps sugar out of the house. But if

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>it comes for a visit, it just gets eaten.

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's no overnight notes. How many bowls of cereal

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 2>do you think you.

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Would eat in the morning?

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Four? Wow, real milk.

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I would eat the whole box. No, I aw milk,

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>no two percent milk. I eat the whole box in

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>one sitting. Every time new box gum, I eat the

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>whole pack. Really, yeah, I eat the whole box.

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, you got to get those systems in

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>place and then you're good that if they're not in place, tough.

0:39:59.880 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>To absolutely And that's but that's breakfast to me. Is

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like life too, m M. I got to have those

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>systems and if I'm doing it, I can rocket. But

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 1>if I'm not and I'm just kind of floating around,

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I float hard. The current gets you, Yeah, so what's

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>my breakfast?

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Say?

0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh, I'm gonna get my fortune ready, but with my break.

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Well the first episode, so I don't, I'm not. I

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 2>don't have it. I don't have a dialt yet. I

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>think what's interesting though, I think it's I feel like

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>every time I've talked to somebody about this, it is

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>like an interesting window into them in some way because

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>you're not you haven't since there's not an audience for that.

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>You're just like I'm doing my thing with no regard

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 2>for like what anyone would think about this, And I

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 2>think it's really interesting. I have a lot of similarities

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 2>to that. But as far as being like because from

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 2>what I know of you, I'm like, oh, dude, you're

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>like so with it, so like you're like dialed and

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 2>it is funny to be like, oh, the systems help you.

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>But as soon as like there's not systems and you're

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>just like free, it's like, ooh, this is this is

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>like maybe not going to go great. Also fascinating about

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the alarms, man, I mean that you haven't needed an

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>alarm in a long time for that early is really something.

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I hate it because I wake up six times a

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 1>night and I got a SEPAP because I do have

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>sleep apnea a bit, and that was part of it.

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 1>But now I'm sleeping with a machine, I still wake up,

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 1>so like, oh god, am I. It's just it's anxiety, right,

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't have general life anxiety. I don't feel like

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I have it in the daytime. Mmm. I think I

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 1>know people that do have it and they live with

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it physically. Yeah, I don't, and partially probably because I

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>keep it going, keep everything going, so I don't have

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 1>time to sit with it. Yeah, And so when I

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.280
<v Speaker 1>do sit with it is maybe when I go to sleep.

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of when it manifests itself. And also I

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:46.360
<v Speaker 1>can't be late to work. Yeah, I'm like to work things.

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Ratings go down, revenue goes down. Then I get fired.

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm back to where I started, back at home.

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Like that's where my mind goes. And that is not rational,

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It's really not. But you're not a rational person either. No,

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 1>in some way, in certain areas, I very much am so,

0:41:58.719 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 1>but not when it comes to that.

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 2>It's really also seven minutes pretty quick.

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>But what am I gonna do?

0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know other other people. Some people are like

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 2>a saver of the morning.

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, there's no saving.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>If there's time in the day, that's time for me

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>to get something done.

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:14.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>That's why I feel so lazy when it's like relax. Oh,

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>it's the worst.

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I just think, how much have we learned about you

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.839
<v Speaker 2>just in this little in this little routine A lot.

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me on the show.

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate going on the first episode. Man, this

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 2>has been great.

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a big honor to be here. So that's a

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>good podcast though, because that's really not about breakfast.

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.520
<v Speaker 2>And the thing is I think I think you could

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the episodes would be pretty short, but I feel like

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 2>everything that every time someone does like a podcast tour,

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 2>you get some little pieces of the real them, but

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>on some level, like they're always and the questions they're

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 2>getting are mostly about things they've put out there about

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>themselves and how much would you love to know, Like

0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>like Michael Jordan, like, let me just ask you every

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 2>you eat for breakfast, because you know he's gonna people

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.399
<v Speaker 2>are so funny in particular'd when you're like two beef

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 2>sticks and I feel like it's I also want to

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 2>know what the like no brands thing is because I

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 2>feel like I would be like, oh dude, I got

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 2>it's got to be whatever, because I get shirts total.

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean perc Yeah, where it's like this one doesn't

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>feel so good on my skin hundred percent. Mine's not

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>about brands as long as it does the job.

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>It's I think honestly that that is a that is

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.520
<v Speaker 2>interesting to me because you are so specific, but also

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like in service of a greater utilitarian goal

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>because you're like, yeah, I don't know, like coconut water,

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 2>where I'd be like, oh dude, I tried like six

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 2>of them. I really like that one. That's it. I

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 2>feel like you're like, it's coconut waterman, whatever.

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 1>As long as I get from it what I'm looking for.

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess if it's bad and I get sick on

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 1>it or I don't like I really hate the taste,

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 1>but really it's there to do a job.

0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But but I feel like you are you are.

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting. I think that says a lot to me

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 2>about like how you operate, because I feel like you're

0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 2>not a guy who's super like I don't know, man,

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 2>what have like you like? I feel like you are

0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>specific and you are driven in certain ways. And it's

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>it's cool and interesting to me that you're like but

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 2>that I don't care. It's whatever.

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 1>But I would say it has to be coconut water.

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It has to be lying, but it has.

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 2>To be dude, some people, some people are getting so

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 2>so in the weeds on on random stuff that's just

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 2>interesting me.

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:30.480
<v Speaker 3>The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Bobby Cast.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this was, this has been Thanks for having me

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:35.839
<v Speaker 1>on a show. Can you come back on my show

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>for a minute. Well, I guess like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.479
<v Speaker 1>How many of these theaters are they all in theaters that.

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:46.239
<v Speaker 2>It's usually there's usually like a sometimes it's just a theater,

0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of times it's like a place that's

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 2>been built for the orchestra or symphony. I don't really

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 2>know those terms interchangeably.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>With Cody in your band at one point.

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we played together for a long time and he

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 2>he'd always like done artists stuff, And as happens with

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>anyone who's like truly uniquely gifted, I feel like after

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 2>a while it's like, oh, dude, you got to go

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.279
<v Speaker 2>do your own thing, because like you're too good to

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:16.400
<v Speaker 2>be doing this. But yeah, he started doing more artist

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 2>stuff and then had great success with one of his

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 2>songs on TikTok that he had released. It was like

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 2>a song that had been out for I don't know

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 2>how long, and it kind of like went crazy on

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Anime TikTok and then.

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 1>It blew up and so Anime TikTok I think so.

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it was maybe maybe a specific version of

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Anime TikTok. I don't know remember which one, but like

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 2>that was the sort of like silo that it bounced

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 2>around a bunch. But he's also lean more into doing

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>specifically orchestral stuff, which I think was a great call

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.880
<v Speaker 2>for him because he's uniquely gifted at that.

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.799
<v Speaker 1>I had a song with Haley Whitters come Together.

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Basically Dan, and she asked me to go on tour.

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I said yes because I was so stoked to get

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.239
<v Speaker 2>to do support. I haven't gotten to do support in

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 2>like ten years because of the genre lists we talked

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>about earlier, so I was stoked. I was just like

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 2>pumped to get to be in front of new people

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 2>and get to do something interesting without a lot of pressure.

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 2>And they told me that Haley was gonna be first

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>of three, and I was legitimately stoked. Hillary and I

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 2>both really love her music, and I feel like everybody

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 2>does that. They're like, I was such a fan, it's

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 2>like really where I know her? One of her managers, Well,

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I've like followed her career. I really like it. And

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 2>so I was in kind of a season where my

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 2>game within a game was like I want to do

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 2>stuff that sounds fun to me, that's like engaging, and

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 2>what sounds fun to me. What sounded fun to me

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 2>was to write a song, try to write a song

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:35.399
<v Speaker 2>that she would want to sing with me on the tour,

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:37.920
<v Speaker 2>just because I was like, it'd be fun to get

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to do that. I think she's talented and fun and

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 2>that would be just like a fun memory for me.

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 2>So I wrote it was one of those weird songs

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>that came out like so fast. It was just like

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 2>lo and then so I wrote it with the guy

0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 2>in my band, Austin, and we finished it with a

0:46:55.560 --> 0:47:00.080
<v Speaker 2>guy named Brett who had written for her before, and

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 2>we're all freaking out about it. We're like, this is

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>so good. And she weirdly came into Austin's publisher the

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.600
<v Speaker 2>next day and they played her the song and didn't

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 2>tell me they're going to Austin was like, I hope

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 2>that's okay. I was like, what did she like it?

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.879
<v Speaker 2>I hope. I was like, I don't know, I don't,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 2>but she really liked it and everyone was stoked. But

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 2>that was it.

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>You play a banjo in it, a ganjo, whatever you

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 1>want to call that. For the sake of anybody else,

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:27.720
<v Speaker 1>that's a banjo unless you're.

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.879
<v Speaker 2>In the weeds. Yes, it's it's like you're playing you don't. Don't.

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:31.399
<v Speaker 1>It'saut yourself.

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Don't.

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna let you do the thing.

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that. Okay, great, So you're playing this band,

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a banjo. You're playing a banjo. Did

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:42.479
<v Speaker 1>any part of you go I don't think I should

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 1>play a banjo because people will think that I'm pandering.

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I never I was more worried when the song

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 2>started to get like stuff was happening and people were like,

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 2>are you doing this? I was like, I mean, I'm

0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:00.319
<v Speaker 2>not like gonna say no to this, but I I

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:04.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted to express where the song came from. Mostly, so

0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the banjo part, to me, I feel like, I'm totally

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 2>for like being in service of the song totally and

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 2>that's what it needed, like it wouldn't have been as

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 2>good with a guitar, And in a weird way, I

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 2>feel like banjo on that song feels more like something

0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that I would do, where it's almost feels more like

0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 2>to me. When I wrote it, it was felt like a

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Muppets bluegrass song. It's like Sesame Street. And that is

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:30.439
<v Speaker 2>where I was like, Oh, this is something that even

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:31.879
<v Speaker 2>if Hailey had been like I don't like the song

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 2>at all, I would have done the song as it

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:38.319
<v Speaker 2>was just without her, because that part of it, that's

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the kind of like, yeah, it feels like classic American music,

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and it definitely I get that it feels like country also,

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 2>but I feel like if I turned on Sesame Street

0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>and I saw that song, I would be like yes,

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and I think it would be worse it was an

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 2>acoustic guitar. I'd be like, oh, is this like hither Delilah.

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, this is like an interesting kind of

0:48:55.800 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>like folky. It's just like a feels like a Hailey's husbands,

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 2>like feels like it's like a standard, like you're covering

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 2>a song. I was like, yeah, that's what it feels

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>like to me.

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 1>It didn't feel like pandering at all, but just knowing

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>how your mind works. I didn't know if you had

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>been like, this is perfect and then you record like,

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 1>oh god, it feels.

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Like it could be. I think because I have like

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:19.840
<v Speaker 2>a streak of like wanting to do things for the

0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 2>right reason. Because I knew where I was coming from

0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 2>with it, I didn't feel weird about that at all.

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have been like because I it was natural,

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and if someone would be like, doesn't seem naturally, be like, well,

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 2>it was. I don't have to tell you.

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:35.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, how has it been going with that song?

0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:39.399
<v Speaker 1>And it's life in country? I just know from my side,

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I've been playing its much. I liked the song, and

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 1>then I saw Anya post that she was playing it.

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Who's a good friend of Mine's here, so I has

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>it organically just kind of started to get legs.

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I think what's been interesting to me is it was

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:55.239
<v Speaker 2>received a lot better than I thought it would be

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>as far as like either industry or on DSPs or whatever.

0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:02.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think some of that really is what we

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.920
<v Speaker 2>were talking about earlier with like Grammy or whatever stuff.

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that there ended up being a bunch of

0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:14.840
<v Speaker 2>people at Spotify or at Amazon or YouTube or whatever

0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you I don't know, Anya, but people like that. I

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 2>feel like there was some general goodwill where it was like, oh, dude,

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:28.160
<v Speaker 2>like this is actually really good and it was met

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 2>with more like open arms than I thought it would be.

0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't like, this has got to like crush

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and do incredible, but I was surprised at how well

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 2>it was received. I think there was just a number

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 2>of people that were like, at like DSPs specifically because

0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not like going to be on like a pop

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 2>pop playlist. I feel like a lot of people are like, oh,

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 2>like I can help you with this, this is good

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 2>and I like your music. So there's more of that

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.400
<v Speaker 2>than I thought there would be. I don't in twenty

0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:00.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty four, I don't honestly have a great metric for like,

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>is it crushing. It seems like it's doing pretty good,

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 2>better than I thought it would do, for sure. I

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Part of that too, is that you weren't going I'm

0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a country artist now it's a second right, and I'll

0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:14.399
<v Speaker 1>include myself in this mix of when people come out

0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:16.759
<v Speaker 1>and they got I'm now a country You're like, ah,

0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 1>prove it. But if they don't and they're like, I

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:20.600
<v Speaker 1>made this song and it is what you think it is,

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 1>We're like, that's.

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Pretty freaking country.

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.680
<v Speaker 1>That's cool because you're not like imposing it right.

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, honestly what you said. With the banjo thing, I

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 2>felt more like that there were weirdly a bunch of

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 2>things that came together at the same time. I felt

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>more like Terry Clark is doing like a I forget

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 2>what it's called. It's like a record of her hits

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 2>that are all like done with other people. I did

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:47.080
<v Speaker 2>that with her at this point. It may may have

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>been like eighteen months ago, and then before the Hailey

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 2>thing was like for sure, for sure, like this is

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. I wanted to release a song before the

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Dan and Shade tour, and the only song we had

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.479
<v Speaker 2>that was like done and good from the acoustic tour

0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 2>was the cover of Great Day to Be Live. And

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 2>it felt like several things came together, like really tight.

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:10.799
<v Speaker 2>And I felt a little bit like that, even just

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to my fans, where people are like are you and

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be like I'm not. This stuff just

0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of like came together. I felt more like that

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 2>about that because I didn't think it would all come

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 2>at the same time like that.

0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's how you accidentally want a Grammy too, honestly,

0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it is. It's not even about the Grammy.

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 1>The Grammy can mean anything, sure, But we'll have a

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>few minutes left. But I got a couple other things.

0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Would you mind sharing your I don't even want to

0:52:37.560 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 1>spoil who it's about, but I'm gonna let you tell

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:42.799
<v Speaker 1>the story about how you went to a certain thing

0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and your hero was there and you end up hanging

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:46.399
<v Speaker 1>out with a hero all day? Is he like chased

0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 1>your a followity?

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh can you just.

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:49.919
<v Speaker 1>Tell that story just from the beginning, But yes, yes,

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Uh, this was this is maybe like the coolest thing

0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:57.640
<v Speaker 2>ever for me personally. I got to go play at

0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:00.839
<v Speaker 2>the AT and T pro am, which is like the

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 2>holy Grail of all golf things if you're not a

0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 2>professional golfer.

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:06.560
<v Speaker 1>At Pebble Beach.

0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 2>At Pebble Beach, yes, it's like on television all that stuff,

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:13.279
<v Speaker 2>And so I initially was going out there. They were like, hey,

0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:17.799
<v Speaker 2>could you come do some music because they have like

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 2>parties every night, and they were like, we'd love to

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:21.839
<v Speaker 2>have you be in the celebrity hole in one, which

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 2>is like all the celebrities in the tournament. Jim Nantz

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.440
<v Speaker 2>announces it and you all hit like one shot closest

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 2>to pin. It's like a miniature tournament. You knew that

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>you can play in all the practice rounds, you know.

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 2>It felt like that was like a good way for

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:37.919
<v Speaker 2>me to like sort of get to know the people

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 2>that run the tournament. And I was like, well, yeah,

0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll go out and play pebble and NPCC which is minor,

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and Peninsula Country Club it's awesoin course, and I'll do

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.799
<v Speaker 2>the celebrity hole in one and maybe they'll think I'm

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 2>a good guy and decent golfer and we'll have you back.

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:55.720
<v Speaker 2>They were like, if anyone drops out of the tournament,

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you can be the tournament. And I was like totally.

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not great at like not great at networking

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 2>or any that kind of stuff, but I was like,

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I really like this stuff and if nothing ever happened,

0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.839
<v Speaker 2>that just be cool and fun. So I get out there.

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I play the concert. It was for the tournament committee,

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't really remember, and they were like, hey,

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.959
<v Speaker 2>we think he have a spot in the tournament, of course,

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:24.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm over the moon. And one of my very favorite artists,

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Hugh Lewis. My dad listened to him a lot growing up,

0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 2>and I thought it was like dorky dad music, and

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.000
<v Speaker 2>then I realized after I grew up, I was like,

0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 2>this is actually like some of the sickest music ever.

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>And so Hugh Lewis was going to come back and

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:40.759
<v Speaker 2>do one last at and T and he hurt his

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 2>shoulder and they were like, you're going to replace Hugh Lewis,

0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:45.719
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, that's incredible. That's wild to

0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 2>feel bad that he's hurt. He's like, but he was

0:54:48.200 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 2>going to walk with your group? Is that cool? And

0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was like time out. What? So basically,

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm playing in the coolest golf thing in the world.

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.240
<v Speaker 2>It really is. There's not a cooler amateur golf event.

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:06.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's basically me and Huey Lewis. Steve Young was

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:08.640
<v Speaker 2>the other celebrity. I'm not putting myself in the same

0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:10.800
<v Speaker 2>category as Hugh Listen Steve Young, but you know you

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I do, I now do. I didn't. Then he's honestly

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the nicest person. Okay, yeah, Huey Lewis is walking around

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and he's him and Peter Jacobson, who is his pro partner,

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 2>who's a golf announcer now, was like a dominant golfer

0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.240
<v Speaker 2>in his day. They came back to do the tournament

0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 2>one last time together. Peter Jacob's caddy was fluff legendary caddy.

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 2>It was unbelievable and so basically my week was I

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:41.920
<v Speaker 2>would hit a shot and then walk down the fairway

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:43.719
<v Speaker 2>with Hughey and just kick it. I mean we hung

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:47.400
<v Speaker 2>out all day. He came to every round and I

0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 2>tried so not to geek out. Some of his band came,

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I got to meet them. I did a project. Yes,

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:57.719
<v Speaker 2>some of the news several anchors, but it did. It

0:55:57.719 --> 0:56:00.719
<v Speaker 2>was incredible, and he was a gentleman and he was

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 2>like he was like my older brother. He was like, oh,

0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:04.879
<v Speaker 2>let me let me help you out with this at

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.799
<v Speaker 2>this tournament, or like here's the deal. It was the best, man.

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 2>It was, honestly, I was like on cloud nine. It

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 2>was the best.

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 1>One year later, smash Cut, I was presented with the

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 1>same situation that you were presented. Come out, come on.

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 1>We can't promise you spot, but come play the practice rounds,

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>come do the deal, And so I go out and

0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 1>somebody does get hurt and I'm invited to play, but

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I got a call from the Grammy's going, hey, can

0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you cover the grand? So I'm like, oh, what do

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I do in the weather was really bad that year. Yeah,

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm gonna I played the practice rounds.

0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:44.520
<v Speaker 1>It was awesome. Everybody's super cool. And I really only

0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 1>did it mostly because of your advice. You were like,

0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:48.359
<v Speaker 1>even if you don't get to play, it's worth it.

0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I did not.

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't fully understand, but I understood that you wouldn't

0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:55.120
<v Speaker 1>put me in a place where mine roses get the

0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:57.200
<v Speaker 1>best of me, thinking I'm not good enough because you

0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 1>don't feel And I got out there and I definitely

0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:03.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel that. And so well, I remember standing on

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.720
<v Speaker 1>a practice screen and my eyes are just wide open

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of really like cool to me celebrities.

0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 2>It's a great collection of those people where it's like, wow,

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:14.880
<v Speaker 2>can't believe that.

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I played a part three, whole round of a

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.080
<v Speaker 1>part three with Ray Romano. Thought he was hilarious, totally

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Josh du Mal super nice guy. But I remember, yeah,

0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and like, great but still got it.

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he got it.

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.480
<v Speaker 1>And I remember seeing Steve Young on the practice screen

0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:31.480
<v Speaker 1>and he was standing with like four other people and

0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 1>he kind of was holding court because everybody's like, that's

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 1>breaking Steve Young, and so I'm like, I just want

0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to get over and say hi, that's all. So I

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:42.040
<v Speaker 1>just kind of waddled over and got in the group,

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I don't even know what they're saying,

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:48.000
<v Speaker 1>but they're like, oh, Steve, that's a good So they broke.

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:52.720
<v Speaker 1>They broke the group, and I say, hey. I was like,

0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:55.120
<v Speaker 1>mister Young, but I didn't know what to what are

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you called Steve Young?

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's fair. I think it's incorrect.

0:57:57.640 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl MVP, super Bowl Court Champion.

0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, hey, I'm Bobby, really nice to meet you,

0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.120
<v Speaker 1>and he said, oh you're Bobby Bones. He said listen

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to your show all the time. And now I'm like,

0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:08.960
<v Speaker 1>oh my.

0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:10.160
<v Speaker 2>God, wow.

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 1>But then I'm like, does he just has he heard

0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:15.280
<v Speaker 1>the name?

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:16.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's all I.

0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm foed to follow up with this story. Okay,

0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 1>so there's a funny, funny ending, but he's so nice

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>to me that I think, who cares? I had a

0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 1>really great one time experience with Steve Young that I'll

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 1>never get to have again. I'll never see him again,

0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:37.880
<v Speaker 1>but that's awesome because I'll hold on to how cool

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:38.720
<v Speaker 1>that experience was.

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:40.160
<v Speaker 2>And he is actually the nice.

0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:44.280
<v Speaker 1>My one of one. He was super nice and you

0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 1>say it too, I believe it. So this morning on

0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 1>my show was talking about top five people that I've

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 1>ever met and been star struck by. But I also

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:55.920
<v Speaker 1>admit that comes with the caveatum. I'm jaded. Sure, I

0:58:56.000 --> 0:58:58.240
<v Speaker 1>get to meet a lot of quote unquote cool people,

0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>some of them Mate's so cool. And also you start

0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:03.520
<v Speaker 1>to see once you're around a lot of famous people

0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:06.280
<v Speaker 1>that they're just people. Yeah, it's and it's hard to

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>ever get but I go five to one, Mike. I

0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.919
<v Speaker 1>know number one was Adam Dirret's Count of Crows because

0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:14.680
<v Speaker 1>my favorite band as a kid. Do you know who

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:16.640
<v Speaker 1>else was on by Steve Young is one of them

0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I put on the list.

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so.

0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Move on with my day. This is this morning. I

0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:27.400
<v Speaker 1>get a text like, I don't know, nine thirty this

0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:31.960
<v Speaker 1>morning from Steve Young. I never gave him my number,

0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:36.720
<v Speaker 1>by the way, he says, Bob, just like you know,

0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not lying nine fifty two am this morning.

0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 2>That's that's his picture. Where did he come on the list?

0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Number four? Okay? So who was five? He? He was like,

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 2>what's the deal with one? Derek Jeter?

0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:50.720
<v Speaker 2>He was at four, Lenny Kravitz at three, Jim Nancit two,

0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and Derret's at one.

0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:55.800
<v Speaker 1>So I said, he said, hey's Steve Young. I'm listening

0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:57.240
<v Speaker 1>to the show this morning, and bam, I hear my

0:59:57.320 --> 1:00:00.439
<v Speaker 1>name and he says, I got your number from Steve John.

1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I called him, who's the head of that?

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And he's and he look look at this. He says,

1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.919
<v Speaker 2>that's so. And so I replied back.

1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:09.080
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I don't even know what to say back,

1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:11.640
<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, I wanted to make sure he knew

1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.600
<v Speaker 1>he was Steve Young, Like you're Steve Young. And so

1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:18.800
<v Speaker 1>we have our little text thing and he says, you know,

1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I love the show whatever, there's a certain bet he

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.439
<v Speaker 1>wanted to remind me of. And then he goes because

1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I was making fun of myself when I went to

1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:28.160
<v Speaker 1>meet and I was like him, mister Young. He said, uh,

1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I first met Carlton Heston way back and I was starstruck,

1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and then sped out, Oh I loved you and big

1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:36.240
<v Speaker 1>her so whatever whatever, and that happens, and I'm not

1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:37.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'll never text him again.

1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's real.

1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:41.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like Jim nance he's invited me to invite him

1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to come and do stuff or be on the show.

1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I never do.

1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll never call him, be like, hey Jim, what's up.

1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:47.400
<v Speaker 2>You know the time he told me to say Hugh

1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Lowis is like, here's my number, A zero percent. The

1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:51.160
<v Speaker 2>fact that you gave it, that's a gifted.

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:55.560
<v Speaker 1>He just texted me six minutes ago again again, let

1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 1>me know if I can help in any way.

1:00:57.200 --> 1:00:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Love what you do. Will you please tell him? I said, Hi,

1:00:59.440 --> 1:00:59.880
<v Speaker 2>we can both.

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:01.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know well enough, but if you hear it

1:01:01.800 --> 1:01:02.920
<v Speaker 1>gives me this real strength.

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Hondo Pece.

1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I send a video. Hey Steve, it's Ben Recked.

1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm Bobby. This is Steve. I was trying to

1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:12.520
<v Speaker 2>tell Bobby what a nice guy you were, and he

1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:13.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, is he really that nice? And I was

1:01:13.840 --> 1:01:15.360
<v Speaker 2>like one hundred percent? And they showed me the text.

1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's him.

1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Ben and I are He was telling a

1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:21.040
<v Speaker 1>story about Huey Lewis and I said you're my Huey

1:01:21.080 --> 1:01:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Lewis whole understanding what that means later. But anyway, Ben

1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and I were just talking about you random. You randomly

1:01:27.880 --> 1:01:30.520
<v Speaker 1>came out truly randomly, truly random, and then you just

1:01:30.520 --> 1:01:32.320
<v Speaker 1>text me. So I was like, I'm I will hit

1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:35.720
<v Speaker 1>him back anyway. I hope you're good bye.

1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:40.440
<v Speaker 2>He he is the nicest guy we've like, you know me,

1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:43.720
<v Speaker 2>hue Lewis gives me his number. I'm not texting. We've

1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:47.280
<v Speaker 2>like kept up. Actually he we left the tournament and

1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:49.760
<v Speaker 2>he was like, we're brothers now and I was like, wow,

1:01:49.920 --> 1:01:52.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you mean that. I didn't say that,

1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:53.960
<v Speaker 2>and then he totally did. He's a really nice guy,

1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:55.240
<v Speaker 2>legitimately nice.

1:01:56.760 --> 1:02:01.160
<v Speaker 1>And boom sent it. Okay, I have one final question,

1:02:01.800 --> 1:02:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and we've done. We've done. We've been here a long time.

1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:08.680
<v Speaker 1>But when you and I were not first met. We

1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.520
<v Speaker 1>met on an airplane. Myself was flight very briefly sitting

1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:13.480
<v Speaker 1>in line for the bathroom. Yep, you remember that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I do. I can't stop thinking about it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was in such a bad place.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. You did you did this show.

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of became friendly, then we became friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we got there we got ripped together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, then we're just we're jacked. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the version of you. I've never been a friend with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've put out new music. Like I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>knew you, knew you enough to text you and go like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>like this record. This is why I feel like some

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff is special. But I didn't know you. Like now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you put out new music, it'd be a whole

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<v Speaker 1>different experience for me. Yeah, so what where are you

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<v Speaker 1>in that? Because I don't know I don't know you

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<v Speaker 1>in that way. Yep, where are you making anything new?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So basically right now, I feel like I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>the edge of the diving board. I have a collection

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<v Speaker 2>of songs, I'm excited, and I'm trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how I want to approach it total honesty, a little

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<v Speaker 2>daunted by the current landscape because I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>watching everyone just be like throw their dart at the

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<v Speaker 2>board and there's like a billion other darts and everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>just like eh, not that that would discourage me from

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, but just like mechanically how i'd want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. I think probably in my head I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get past the dan and shade tour and get

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<v Speaker 2>home and figure out how to record it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think it's really I think they're very good songs,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't always feel like that, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to figure out how I want to

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<v Speaker 2>like capture them because I feel like more and more

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<v Speaker 2>your like, hate to say this out loud, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to like your content kind of is your song.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the days of like, do you like this,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll head over to Spotify swipe. You're just like, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of figuring out, like what do I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do? What angle do I want to take there? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's where I am. I'm trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how to navigate this current landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't I don't know that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of words and you have a bunch of songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they all?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they a collection of like minded songs? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>just a bunch of songs that you like?

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's there's several Like, there's several like groups, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of like, whish of these groups feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it would be fun and life giving to do and

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<v Speaker 2>what would I get excited to like for the next

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<v Speaker 2>however long be like this is what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Bonus final question. Do you feel at times you're ever

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<v Speaker 1>too precious about putt stuff out and that could that

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<v Speaker 1>could keep your I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I feel like the whole like

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<v Speaker 2>put stuff out all the time thing is so new

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that everyone is like, that's what you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta do to like increase your stats. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>feel like what's happening now is like so many people

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<v Speaker 2>are putting so much music out all the time that

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<v Speaker 2>nobody cares anymore. So I'm like, I don't I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will put out probably one song at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like even the internal pressure of like

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<v Speaker 2>I released Color my World like two months ago, like

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<v Speaker 2>prob probably gotta get something else out. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if because for me, the bands that

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<v Speaker 2>I like that do that, I just start tuning it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>What about a concept EP? Total concept EP that's right

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<v Speaker 1>up your freaking out, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. Yes, there's there's one one thing I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't spoil it because I don't want to text everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>We pull that down so if you say something that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think you want to be up, don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>even say it because I don't want to text later

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm gonna worry about he probably wants to

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<v Speaker 1>taken down. So don't say it. Just be very vague,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to keep us both out of this

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<v Speaker 1>spinning that we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's several things that I'd like to do. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them is very specific concept that I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's a good idea, but I think would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anyone do it, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>want to do it, but the world might not need it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they might be like I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear a song about.

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<v Speaker 1>Blank Oklahoma Mandarin. That's what I would think. It is

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<v Speaker 1>that that Oklahoma Mandarin the first Oklahoma to do a

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<v Speaker 1>full Manderin album.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that would You're you're kind of close.

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<v Speaker 1>I I think as an artist, you're awesome. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I I as a friend, I think you're really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it could be better, and sorry, couldn't we

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<v Speaker 1>all be? But no, I'm really looking forward to whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is that you're going to do. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>ask you about that stuff. Who has time when you're

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<v Speaker 1>breathing as hard as we have to with freaking Kevin Kluge.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm putting a pick a ball court back here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh is clue coming today? Is going to get hard today? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, because you worry. That's why I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to clear you to go before he even gets here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, He'll be like, Ben, what's the deal? What

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<v Speaker 2>is the deal? Uh? The deal is I hurt my

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<v Speaker 2>back a little bit the one time that Eddie and

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<v Speaker 2>I worked out and you weren't there. Basically I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been for a couple of weeks and we did too hard.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sore for seven calendar days. We did a

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<v Speaker 2>million deadlifts and Bulgarians. Uh. And then yesterday I had

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<v Speaker 2>a charity golf tournament and then I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 2>a member guest. I leave Thursday at like five in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. Where's the member guest in San Francisco? Got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Are you playing golf again? Because for a while

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't play golf anymore. I just

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<v Speaker 1>played pickleball.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm I'm honestly, I'm like full on into golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back, so so played golf yesterday can't go into

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<v Speaker 2>uh not an important tournament, but just like a real tournament,

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<v Speaker 2>being like, sorry, guys, I can't walk. I just million.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, are you really in a golf now?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you just waiting until pickleball? Because we've been through

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<v Speaker 1>this and I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Golf pickle I mean I'm in I'm in a golf zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. You're a deceivingly good athlete, which is annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really nice you to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And you are taller than people expect. I thought you

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<v Speaker 1>get that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Most common thing people say to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're yeah, I mean six nine six nine, yeah at

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<v Speaker 1>least Okay, Look, we're gonna end this. When you hear

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Bones' new podcast would you have for breakfast? I

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<v Speaker 1>think nothing of it. I think nothing of it? Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>followed bit. Now I'm just gonna straight rip. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>even gonna be something I could like using court. There's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be I stole at Ben underscore rector on Instagram?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it on TikTok though?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the answer to that. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>have to taketalk on my phone. Maybe been in a

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<v Speaker 2>corrector who loads it? Uh my Social Team, got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fancy Ben underscore director. I mean I have one too,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just I just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben, underscore director.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out Color My World and the tour dates because

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<v Speaker 1>you're done with Dan and Shay. But now it's a

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<v Speaker 1>symphony show starting May tenth, eleventh, fifteen, sixteenth, all the

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<v Speaker 1>way through September seventh. I'm just gonna read the cities

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<v Speaker 1>down Coast of Mason, California, Coast of Mason, California, Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Atlanta, Nashville, Nashville, Detroit, Dallas, Dallas,

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<v Speaker 1>and from now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, Okay. I'm excited to hear about your concept record.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's like cowboys, These cowboys, that's it. That.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's no nothing else not country music. It's cowboys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right, there he has been record.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

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<v Speaker 1>H