Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I have such a complicated relationship with things like a
Speaker 2: goal and like my job. Since as much as I
Speaker 2: want to be like I'm gonna win a Grammy four
Speaker 2: Album of the Year, my real take is like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's really a possibility for me.
Speaker 1: My friend Ben Rector, it's the second time on the show.
Speaker 1: I's got some big songs here, brand new whoa hoo,
Speaker 1: whoa ho hoo hoo hoo.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 1: He has a new song called Color Up My World
Speaker 1: that we play a bunch with Hailey Witters. Wait it
Speaker 1: Ben Ben wrote Color Up My World? Yeah, okay, it
Speaker 1: may be a typo, but has written by Ben Folds,
Speaker 1: who's also one of my favorite artists. Different Ben, Okay,
Speaker 1: that'd be cool.
Speaker 2: Have Ben Folds wrote it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 2: Are you the typeo ver there?
Speaker 1: No, huh, that'd be cool. Ben Rector and Ben Folds
Speaker 1: and you know other wasn't the Ben's at one time,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't been. It's Ben Lee, Ben Folds and Ben.
Speaker 2: Queller Kweller. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the Bens. I loved all the Bens individually too,
Speaker 1: and I love this Ben. So a couple of things here,
Speaker 1: Ben Rector. He I basically started playing music at the
Speaker 1: University of Arkansas and touring and won like a competition
Speaker 1: and just kept going. You know, one of my friends
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this, went to one of his
Speaker 1: shows once without knowing who he was. A friend of
Speaker 1: his was like, hey, should come to the show Ben
Speaker 1: Rector And it was an amphitheater and ampeater was sold
Speaker 1: out like eight thousand people. And he's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what he sells eight thousand tickets? Like Ben has these massive,
Speaker 1: massive shows, huge following. Made his opry debut in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. His songs appeared on every single commercial America's
Speaker 1: Got Talent, American Idol, Ellen, World of Dance, Hartlan, Hawaii
Speaker 1: Fi vo I could keep going. Really smart guy, great golfer,
Speaker 1: good pickleball player. And my friend here he is Ben Rector.
Speaker 1: How you been.
Speaker 2: I'm good. I feel like it's nice to be done
Speaker 2: with the tour. But I'm also going through a little
Speaker 2: bit of the The first three days you're like this
Speaker 2: is incredible, and then you're like, oh my gosh, what
Speaker 2: am I doing?
Speaker 1: Do you have other I mean, you're you're not retired
Speaker 1: from music all the way right, like this is You're done?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. But I honestly I feel like I,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is probably a conversation for real life.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm always trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: I wanted to look like, and this is I have
Speaker 2: the symphony shows after this, but not you know, it's
Speaker 2: not like in my next huge tour.
Speaker 1: What do you mean look like like the perception of
Speaker 1: the artist Ben Rector.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm fixing this, Mike stan pushould be doing that. No,
Speaker 2: what I how I define success? What I want my
Speaker 2: life to look like? Which is too big of a question.
Speaker 2: Hillary at this point is so patient but always like
Speaker 2: rolls ride, She's just like, you do whatever you want
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Did you know? I didn't know this? You may have
Speaker 1: known this. Did you know sometimes our wives escape to
Speaker 1: talk about us.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Did you know that? I mean a
Speaker 2: little bit. I don't know the extent you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I only heard about it, like the other day.
Speaker 2: Hillary's probably just like been so great, That's what she says. Right.
Speaker 1: I think when they compare us, they compare how great
Speaker 1: we are?
Speaker 2: Who's better?
Speaker 1: Who could say I didn't I I literally didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I know that my wife adores your wife way more
Speaker 1: than I adore you, so that their friendship isn't natural, But.
Speaker 2: It's really pretty funny.
Speaker 1: They had been, and my wife doesn't tell me anything
Speaker 1: because I'm sure whatever they say they say for each other.
Speaker 1: But I think there's probably some neuro tendencies that we
Speaker 1: both have that they can talk about and the other
Speaker 1: person at least somewhat relates.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that's right. I mean, Hillary tells
Speaker 2: me everything, but I don't know what good she doesn't good.
Speaker 2: She's mentioned, she's mentioned that they've connected on that and
Speaker 2: it's been good. I think it is good. You know,
Speaker 2: we're I feel like we're both a little bit odd.
Speaker 2: You know people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by a odd, you mean extremely good looking.
Speaker 2: It's hot. Yeah, people are always telling me that. Man.
Speaker 1: I would say it's a mixture. I'm gonna speak for
Speaker 1: me and possibly you. I would say it's a mixture
Speaker 1: of for me not understanding really where balance ever is,
Speaker 1: and then the line of extremely secure and wildly insecure
Speaker 1: and not knowing where that ever is.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I think that's exactly right. I think also the
Speaker 2: spice of like it being a public job is sometimes
Speaker 2: lonely and probably maybe I don't mean to be like
Speaker 2: it's unique, like special, but maybe more unique than a
Speaker 2: guy who's like, I'm a lawyer and I work too much.
Speaker 2: Like there's other stuff kind of like tangled up in it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes maybe that like a solo identity, meaning you're the
Speaker 1: only ben rector.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what I meant by that.
Speaker 2: I think there's weird stuff that comes along with it.
Speaker 2: There's like weird side dishes that maybe don't happen with
Speaker 2: other meals.
Speaker 1: I would agree, Yeah, I would say in the same
Speaker 1: way that my friends that are professional athletes that play
Speaker 1: solo sports are way nuttier th my friends who play
Speaker 1: on tea.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, very fair.
Speaker 1: My one of my dearest friends, Andy Rotick, is a
Speaker 1: tennis player, one of the greatest guys, but out of
Speaker 1: a skull, right, like because everything's on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the kind of person that self selects into
Speaker 2: that and then continues to self select into that is
Speaker 2: pretty specific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he chose and continue to choose to grind away
Speaker 1: sold everything's good and bad. It's all on him, right.
Speaker 1: It's different than a buddy that plays in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And has it one of eleven? Yeah, you know that's
Speaker 1: back there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you say you're coming off tour and you're figuring
Speaker 1: it out, so what is it? I still don't know
Speaker 1: what you meant, like how it's presented.
Speaker 2: I'd say to use a workout analogy. It feels like
Speaker 2: when you're doing a tour or making a record or whatever,
Speaker 2: you have like a trainer that's like, this is exactly
Speaker 2: what you do. You don't have to think about it,
Speaker 2: and it's challenging, but there's not a lot of brain
Speaker 2: power expended on like what am I doing actually or
Speaker 2: like creatively, what am I doing? And then when you're
Speaker 2: done with that, because when I'm on tour, I'm always like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to take a break because it is it
Speaker 2: is a grueling thing, but there's a part of you,
Speaker 2: you know that when you're done with that, it's sort
Speaker 2: of like, Okay, now what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: And you have to make it all up. And I think,
Speaker 2: as you were saying a little earlier, like I'm I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm always like trying to find balance and
Speaker 2: my brain doesn't help me do that very well, because
Speaker 2: like anytime I'm like I'm going to find balance in
Speaker 2: this way. It's like you're being lazy, you're being whatever.
Speaker 2: And I think at this point, I'm like, oh, I'm not,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty one anymore, and I want to see
Speaker 2: my kids and having some semblance of a normal life,
Speaker 2: So like, what do I want to look what I
Speaker 2: want that to look like? But that's a big it's
Speaker 2: like a big math problem. I don't know how to like
Speaker 2: really try to solve it.
Speaker 1: You felt yourself modifying goals because you're not twenty one anymore.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm a bad person to ask about this
Speaker 2: because I feel like I have such a complicated relationship
Speaker 2: with things like like a goal in like my job
Speaker 2: since because I don't know really what's possible as far
Speaker 2: as like, as much as I want to be like
Speaker 2: I'm gonna win a Grammy for Album of the Year,
Speaker 2: my real take is like, I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: really a possibility for me. I don't think that that's
Speaker 2: like a thing that is going to happen. And I
Speaker 2: can feel the Instagram like hustle people be like not
Speaker 2: with an attitude like that, it's not So there's that,
Speaker 2: And then there's also the part of it. That's like,
Speaker 2: as things have gone better and better, I haven't necessarily
Speaker 2: become happier and happier. And so I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 2: want to like round this out with some more balance,
Speaker 2: but I don't know how to like actually approach that.
Speaker 2: It's very difficult, and I think other I envy people
Speaker 2: who don't have a complicated relationship with it, the people
Speaker 2: that are just like I want to drive the sickest
Speaker 2: car in the world. So people look at me and
Speaker 2: they're like, what a sick car that guy drives, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I wouldn't want to drive that car
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't want people to think, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just a complex. I don't know and probably think
Speaker 2: about everything a little too much. But that's that is
Speaker 2: a challenge for me. I don't know what is reasonable
Speaker 2: to aim for goal wise, and uh, I don't actually
Speaker 2: know what I want goal wise, as clear as I
Speaker 2: can say it, I want to do really good work
Speaker 2: and be proud of it. That's like the central theme
Speaker 2: after I.
Speaker 1: Thrown goalposts, how do you know where to kick it? Though?
Speaker 2: That's the deal, and that's I mean, that's this is hilarious.
Speaker 2: We're talking about this right now, because I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm literally trying to figure that out. And on every project,
Speaker 2: were watching the Last Dance finally.
Speaker 1: The basketball documentary from from COVID. Yes, oh well there's
Speaker 1: a there's something.
Speaker 2: Called Love is Blind.
Speaker 1: You should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we finished the Soprano King. Yeah, we've finished the
Speaker 2: Sopranos like two weeks ago. We went right into the
Speaker 2: Last Dance. Anyways, a lot of it, you know, is
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've watched it is him like coming up
Speaker 2: with a game within a game for himself. And I
Speaker 2: feel like on every project I kind of do that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, on this project, I want to do
Speaker 2: this thing. The hard part now is I'm like, what
Speaker 2: do I want to aim at? I've done it enough
Speaker 2: times that I have I feel like a relatively good
Speaker 2: idea of what it's going to feel like or be
Speaker 2: like at the end of it. And it's a very
Speaker 2: expensive thing internally, like it's like, oh man, I'm kind
Speaker 2: of a wreck for a long time, you know, building
Speaker 2: this thing. And so now it's like, okay, like what
Speaker 2: do you want to aim at? And I don't really know,
Speaker 2: And I think those goals would be different if I
Speaker 2: thought if I you know, if I was like, I
Speaker 2: have a legitimate shot to achieve X y Z goal,
Speaker 2: I just don't know the ven diagram of what I
Speaker 2: actually want and what is possible for me. And it's
Speaker 2: hard because if you were like, how good do you
Speaker 2: think your work is? Like, I think it's very good.
Speaker 2: I feel totally confident in it. But I also think
Speaker 2: that the way that some typical goalposts look now, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I just don't know if that's like a
Speaker 2: fit for me. I don't know if it's an option
Speaker 2: for me, and so I think it's like I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to go through the
Speaker 2: Rocky training montage being like I'm going to win a Grammy.
Speaker 2: I'm going to win a Grammy. It's just like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm going to I don't think to
Speaker 2: make the right genre of music for that. And that's
Speaker 2: okay with me, Like that is all right, And I
Speaker 2: don't just want it bad enough that i'd like try
Speaker 2: to not that I could make this happen, but like
Speaker 2: be like, I'm gonna make the best I don't know
Speaker 2: what classical whatever record to try because there's not a
Speaker 2: bunch of competition and I gonna do that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of words.
Speaker 1: When I mentioned modifying, because you said twenty one. I
Speaker 1: feel like the space that I'm in now is where
Speaker 1: I would just go and do everything if I felt
Speaker 1: like it was getting me closer to a goal. But
Speaker 1: I did everything, and most things did not get me
Speaker 1: closer to a goal. Sure, and I in the same way,
Speaker 1: don't like I'm not twenty eight even thirty one anymore.
Speaker 1: And I've also realized that just doing everything to achieve
Speaker 1: something really most of the time doesn't end up in
Speaker 1: the way that you'd like it. So why am I
Speaker 1: wasting so much time and energy? So I've started saying
Speaker 1: no to a lot more things, and it's kind of cool,
Speaker 1: But now I feel like I'm saying no to too much.
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, no, no. But I'm only doing
Speaker 1: it because I've done it, not wrong, because I've learned.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of things. I'll give you
Speaker 1: an example, and I can talk about this. I've not
Speaker 1: talked about it, but I had mentioned on this podcast
Speaker 1: probably a few months ago that the ccma's which is
Speaker 1: the Canadian Country Musicors that asked me to host the
Speaker 1: show and I was like, that's cool. I'll go up
Speaker 1: get a jacket, you know, it's Canada, you know, and
Speaker 1: do some comedy and host their award show and that'd
Speaker 1: be pretty cool. And we were kind of talking with
Speaker 1: them and they were super nice, super cool, and I
Speaker 1: have nothing bad to say about it at all.
Speaker 2: But they was like, oh yeah, Also, you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna have a co host and it's Thomas Rhett and
Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, I love tr like all good.
Speaker 2: Didn't know I had to co host.
Speaker 1: But as long as like TR is gonna do this
Speaker 1: tr thing and I'll do my thing, that's fine. It's
Speaker 1: all good. And then they're like, well, we don't have it.
Speaker 1: We need to add a Canadian and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: now it's three people and I'm being though right, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have anything against any of them,
Speaker 1: but for me to want to do this and to
Speaker 1: really do the job that I want to do, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm going to have enough room for
Speaker 1: me to not somewhat resent the energy I'm putting into
Speaker 1: it totally. And so I was just like, hey, I'm out.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't any shot anything negative. It was old
Speaker 1: me five years ago you know what, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, but today I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really good.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm making more of those decisions now because
Speaker 1: I'm not twenty one anymore. Same goals, but I don't
Speaker 1: feel like I have to run every rat will now.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I think like part of me the miniature
Speaker 2: game that I'm playing now is like, so to use
Speaker 2: a golf analogy, you know, like I usually if I'm putting,
Speaker 2: I've missed on the high side of the hole. I've
Speaker 2: like done too much, and I always been like, oh,
Speaker 2: I need to like change that a little bit. And
Speaker 2: for the first time, I'm like, you know what, if
Speaker 2: I missed this putt, I'm gonna miss on the low
Speaker 2: side of the whole.
Speaker 1: Email someone to email. Oh it's God, he says, good job, Ben.
Speaker 2: Dear Ben, I'm really proud of you. Got it. God
Speaker 2: dot com, God, God dot com. No, wait, he got
Speaker 2: God dot com And that's yeah, he was early on that.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I want to I want to start to
Speaker 2: miss a little bit, like I've never I have done
Speaker 2: that sum but not really. I usually am like doing
Speaker 2: too much there was a I was asked to do
Speaker 2: some shows for the Navy in Japan. Like it would
Speaker 2: have been in a couple days, maybe a couple weeks,
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's pretty sick. It was like good money. I've always
Speaker 2: wanted to go to Japan. Hillary is great. She was like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like maybe you should do it,
Speaker 2: but it's two weeks and I was like, I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't think I should do it. Had this tour,
Speaker 2: have the symphony shows this summer, and I've it's just
Speaker 2: been a minute since I've been like I'm just like
Speaker 2: a normal guy hanging out. This is great. So I
Speaker 2: said no to it, and I I really didn't know
Speaker 2: if that was the right decision, but I remember talking
Speaker 2: to her was like, I want to miss on the
Speaker 2: low side of the hole for the first time in
Speaker 2: a while. I want to feel what it's like to
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I should have done that, because I
Speaker 2: feel like I've almost never done that. I've always been
Speaker 2: like ooh, this was too much, And to me, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: the small game that I'm playing now is like miss
Speaker 2: a little bit on the low side to see what
Speaker 2: that feels like.
Speaker 1: Why do you think you can't win a Grammy?
Speaker 2: I think the style of music that is popular, so like,
Speaker 2: I feel like the music that I make now sounds
Speaker 2: like or is most like what pop music was maybe
Speaker 2: like I don't know, fifteen or twenty years ago, and
Speaker 2: I think that with the music that I see that's
Speaker 2: like pop music now, I'm just like, I just don't
Speaker 2: it's not really it's almost like, uh, the genre like
Speaker 2: scootered over and now I don't totally have like a
Speaker 2: home I don't know I had. I don't see any
Speaker 2: like people doing stuff like I do winning awards really
Speaker 2: and I'm not I hope that doesn't sound like aw shucks,
Speaker 2: like that's so sad. It's totally fine. It is just
Speaker 2: like it's not really what I feel like is celebrated
Speaker 2: in a critical sense. And I think, I mean, like
Speaker 2: the music I make is not like gonna be like
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be a critical darling. That was that
Speaker 2: the word critical darling.
Speaker 1: Critics all love you, that would be a critical darling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm not. That's it's that that's not really
Speaker 2: like the zone that I've been in. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I think it's just like I just don't see a
Speaker 2: realistic path for that. And I mean, honestly, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like it's not it is not it is not not
Speaker 2: pop music. But I think if we looked at like
Speaker 2: the Grammy nominees, it would just be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it's not really like it's not really the thing
Speaker 2: you're doing.
Speaker 1: What kind of music do you do?
Speaker 2: I thought about this. I think probably as I would
Speaker 2: just call it like American music. It's like, I feel like,
Speaker 2: how about.
Speaker 1: This not American? No, no, no way at the end.
Speaker 2: No, just like because think about like James Taylor, if
Speaker 2: he was twenty two right now, it wouldn't really be pop.
Speaker 2: It's not totally folk, it's not country. It's like kind
Speaker 2: of just like a mashup of those things. But I
Speaker 2: feel like, and I'm not saying I make music exactly
Speaker 2: like that, but I think I don't know exactly what
Speaker 2: you'd call. It wouldn't really be alternative. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly what it would be. So I think, like I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to make a new genre here. When I
Speaker 2: like talk to him in an airplane, I'll just be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like kind of like singer songwriter, it's like kind
Speaker 2: of pop. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: What do you say when someone randomly comes up and goes,
Speaker 1: what kind of music do you do? My friend loves you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be like, I make uh. I'd be like,
Speaker 2: it's like singer songwriter stuff, kind of like pop, but
Speaker 2: not like that's way too many words, bro, I know,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that's the issue. So I'm trying to American music.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know.
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Speaker 1: I feel though the genres are becoming way, way, way
Speaker 1: much less of a thing except for financial classification. Yeah,
Speaker 1: meaning okay, country, what does that even mean? Who cares?
Speaker 1: Except for there are stations that are going to make money.
Speaker 1: There are platforms are going to make money by going country,
Speaker 1: and anything they put into it, regardless of what it
Speaker 1: sounds like, is going to be that genre finger quotes
Speaker 1: to make revenue until they decide to change it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's like it. I feel like there
Speaker 2: are certain genres that there's like a lot of infrastructure.
Speaker 2: I think countries like that, Christians like that, like festivally
Speaker 2: music and now I don't. I don't know exactly like
Speaker 2: kind of Americana stuf. There's like some infrastructure there. I
Speaker 2: think what's really happened is like pop is and I'm
Speaker 2: so this is just I'm I'm not in authority on this,
Speaker 2: but I think like it's become a lot of things,
Speaker 2: and so it used to be a little more identifiable,
Speaker 2: and now it's like several genres of music together and
Speaker 2: so it's like hard to be like, what is that? Like,
Speaker 2: I think it used to be like it's just popular music,
Speaker 2: and then it kind of had a sound, and I
Speaker 2: feel like now it's kind of back to like widely
Speaker 2: popular music, but it's hard to wrap your arms around
Speaker 2: what makes it that or not. Whereas other genres have
Speaker 2: very specific boundaries, like the country has like some like instrumental, lyrical,
Speaker 2: sonic themes, Christian music has the exact same thing, American
Speaker 2: the same thing. And I feel like pop is now
Speaker 2: it's it's really hard if you ask me outside of
Speaker 2: like artists, how to define pop music now, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: I don't really know how to do that. It's I
Speaker 2: couldn't name instruments, I couldn't name so types, I couldn't
Speaker 2: it'd be like whatever. I don't know, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Think I would say pop now is the top seventeen
Speaker 1: percent of every specific genre totally. Yeah, you know, whether
Speaker 1: the basis of what Top forty was back in like
Speaker 1: the sixties when they started Top forty, which was literally
Speaker 1: the top forty songs, it didn't matter what genre it
Speaker 1: was if it was the biggest song rock alternative. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to think what I would classify your music
Speaker 1: as if I was to create a new genre.
Speaker 2: I think singer song is probably not gonna go with
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with warm alternative.
Speaker 2: Oh honestly, it's pretty good, but it's really good.
Speaker 1: It is definitely not the same as anything else. But
Speaker 1: you can't go just straight alternative. No, it's not because
Speaker 1: your your tones, but a warm alternative that I like,
Speaker 1: What do you do? I do warm alternative?
Speaker 2: I mean that's tweeter bio. Yeah I don't have Twitter,
Speaker 2: but what does that mean? Look it up?
Speaker 1: Check it out by they look it up, You're gone
Speaker 1: one artist.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even matter. Warm alternative dot com. It's just
Speaker 2: my picture.
Speaker 1: It's interesting when you talk about not having a home.
Speaker 1: You know, when I moved here. I moved here from
Speaker 1: because when I was doing pop, this has been ten
Speaker 1: years ago. So but when I was doing pop, I
Speaker 1: was doing pop ten years ago eleven wow hoop and
Speaker 1: hip hop? Yeah, oh wow, I was doing I was
Speaker 1: too country to do pop and hip hop. We'd play
Speaker 1: but it's like now, we don't play a lot of music,
Speaker 1: but the stations that we were on would be pop
Speaker 1: and hip hop and so but I would do and
Speaker 1: we'd have whatever. But i'd have some country artists to
Speaker 1: because I liked country music. But people were like, you're
Speaker 1: too country to be pop or hip hop, even though
Speaker 1: I did sign a one song record deal as a
Speaker 1: hip hop artist. True story.
Speaker 2: Is it out there on the net?
Speaker 1: Probably somewhere. It's on the internet. Yeah, it's not on Spotify,
Speaker 1: thank god. However, when I got country, it was a
Speaker 1: year two pop to be country. So I never really
Speaker 1: had a home, yeah, meaning a place that I just
Speaker 1: felt welcomed. It almost is where I fall when it
Speaker 1: comes to politics, because I don't say I'm down the middle,
Speaker 1: but I think if you averaged me out, I'm probably
Speaker 1: pretty close on average because I definitely have you know,
Speaker 1: big capitalists, but I'm like a progressive, capitalist, and there
Speaker 1: are sensibilities I have from going up and growing up
Speaker 1: in the South with guns and then but also it's
Speaker 1: like gay people, let them have kids, that's awesome, let
Speaker 1: them get married, rock and roll. So when you like
Speaker 1: equal these things out, it's kind of ish And I'm
Speaker 1: not in the middle. Yeah, but I don't have a home.
Speaker 2: Yeah totally.
Speaker 1: But what I've found is most people don't have a home.
Speaker 1: But there's not like a central I don't have a
Speaker 1: home horn to blow.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I think I agree that most people
Speaker 2: are there. And I think too a lot of like
Speaker 2: what the genres that have infrastructure do well is they
Speaker 2: kind of like have an offering for people, where like
Speaker 2: if you can be I think country does this incredibly well.
Speaker 2: People are like I'm a country music fan, and it's like, great,
Speaker 2: we got a bunch of stuff in the country music store,
Speaker 2: and I think like same for Christian Americana, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Wrap whatever. But I think what's interesting right now is
Speaker 2: pop is I feel like it's it's it's it's a
Speaker 2: little bit more random store wise. In fact, there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 1: Like uh now, Sean it goes viral totally I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's what pop is now, viral and and.
Speaker 2: I think realistically that's that is a part of that
Speaker 2: is a part of it. When you're like, oh, why
Speaker 2: don't you think you could Winnegramy, It's just like I think,
Speaker 2: like the things that I do well don't necessarily line
Speaker 2: up with virality, because I feel like if you were
Speaker 2: if you were like, describe your music's your music thematically,
Speaker 2: like lyrically, I'd be like, oh, it's not like sexy
Speaker 2: exciting themes. It's like find peace in your life. Good
Speaker 2: things are like hard, they take a long time, celebrate
Speaker 2: the nuances of life, like you know. That's I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm not saying it couldn't go viral, but I
Speaker 2: just feel like that's not necessarily it's not like a
Speaker 2: not a dessert, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I have two points I want to make. I don't
Speaker 1: want to forget the second one, so make a note.
Speaker 1: But the first one would be you have a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff go at least semi viral. That's not even
Speaker 1: songs that you record for someone listening to your music.
Speaker 1: Meaning when you do American airlines, we might crash and
Speaker 1: you might die because the door just blew off whatever
Speaker 1: that's that's that's not the lyrics. Sure, but that stuff
Speaker 1: hits hard.
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, So to say that.
Speaker 1: Your stuff doesn't go viral maybe specific songs, but I
Speaker 1: think you're a smart enough guy. If you were just
Speaker 1: gonna produce a freaking crazy viral record, no doubt.
Speaker 2: You could do that. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, how when you put out Color My World
Speaker 1: the video, Yeah, I have not, I haven't tracked your
Speaker 1: data on that. How has that done? Because esthetically, like
Speaker 1: I have, like it's it's like dopamine hit after dopamine hit.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. I think that that. I think the
Speaker 2: video's really good. I think even that it did like okay,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like WHOA like blew the doors off. But
Speaker 2: I think that's what I'm saying. I think the kind
Speaker 2: of thing, the kind of thing that is going viral
Speaker 2: right now for real, if it's a song, it feels
Speaker 2: a lot more unpredictable to me. I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who's been able to game that system.
Speaker 2: It's usually like retroction, like whoa, this thing worked. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I and I think the real point to your point
Speaker 2: about like, oh, you've had stuff co kind of viral. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the hard part is like it's not really songs
Speaker 2: or music. It's like it's like an entertainment product. And
Speaker 2: if you told me right now the whole game was
Speaker 2: gained as many followers as you could. I know what
Speaker 2: I would do, but that doesn't flip over into changing
Speaker 2: my music or like my art really, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if I want to be an influencer professional, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Man, I got like two points to bounce off that,
Speaker 1: but I want to fig up my freaking out.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I now forgot my other one, and I even
Speaker 1: made a mental note not to forget it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: With that point, I feel like you're saying you don't
Speaker 1: want to create your art, and you're separating the two
Speaker 1: a bit. I got my point before I get to
Speaker 1: this one. Okay, I got four points. I'm lost, but
Speaker 1: I got this one. And you and I have talked
Speaker 1: about this away from a microphone where and I brought
Speaker 1: up a Grammy and again I'll just compare it to me.
Speaker 1: Then you can jump in and say I'm stupid or
Speaker 1: not stupid. But I always thought I'm going to be
Speaker 1: a big pop culture expert on mainstream radio whatever that meant.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to be so cool being mainstream and
Speaker 1: know everything that everybody's going to have me, which was
Speaker 1: an any TV show would want me. I'd be an expert.
Speaker 1: What I found was that the more I tried to
Speaker 1: be everything to every one and not saying you're doing this,
Speaker 1: and I'll get to my point, that nobody cared totally.
Speaker 1: So here I am. I'd built my own show with
Speaker 1: my own money. I got thirty markets tech. Nobody cared
Speaker 1: because there were just people that were doing specifically what
Speaker 1: I was doing, way better than what I was doing.
Speaker 1: But when I was like, hey, let's go to Nashville,
Speaker 1: there's never been a national show. My contract was up,
Speaker 1: they had bought my syndication company from me. When I
Speaker 1: move here, and all of a sudden, I had propelled
Speaker 1: to the top of this area. All those people that
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to me when I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm mainstream, all the people in the mainstream were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we want to talk to the guy that's the expert.
Speaker 1: But then so I met them, and then that allowed
Speaker 1: me to like expand to where I would compare this
Speaker 1: to I think this is how your grammy happens, if
Speaker 1: you'd like to know.
Speaker 2: Of them all yours.
Speaker 1: I thought about this, okay, and I was saving it
Speaker 1: for on Mike in case it was just sick, in
Speaker 1: case it was so stupid. I think your grammy happens
Speaker 1: not through here's a record and here's a great song.
Speaker 1: I think your grammy happens through I made a great
Speaker 1: song ento the a movie commercial, uh chair, whomever uses
Speaker 1: it from that. Charlie Pooth, for example, when he did
Speaker 1: No Mike was a song, furious song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how's it start? It's piano.
Speaker 1: It's been a lot less see you again. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a good song, great song. We wouldn't have known
Speaker 1: it for what it was it not took a ride
Speaker 1: with the movie.
Speaker 2: Pun intended absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think that is where your art meets that reward.
Speaker 1: Because warm alternative only cages so far.
Speaker 2: Oh warm alternative fans love it. Yeah, But in the
Speaker 2: in the in the big bad world, people are like, well.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean your music isn't amazing, But like
Speaker 1: you said, there's only nothing like it, but there's everything
Speaker 1: kind of like it. Yeah, but when it attaches to
Speaker 1: something that people freaking love, that personal connection happens to
Speaker 1: which song of the year.
Speaker 2: I think that if I were like.
Speaker 1: Our gun to head house been gonna get some stupid
Speaker 1: acolade that doesn't matter, although it does. But really the
Speaker 1: grand scheme, that would be how it happens if they
Speaker 1: were to go college commercial where they're flying over campus
Speaker 1: and playing a song that would be your song. But
Speaker 1: I think that's how it happens for you in the
Speaker 1: same way that it got to happen for me in
Speaker 1: a different scale. It's like I found a new walking
Speaker 1: partner I felt comfortable with, but didn't change anything that
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, And I think I think that that is true.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would ever. I think everyone right
Speaker 2: now it feels like they're kind of like chasing stuff.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that I've ever made a great
Speaker 2: thing from chasing something else.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to chase.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think I would. I
Speaker 2: think it would. I would want to make something that
Speaker 2: is uniquely continue it makes stuff that's like unique to
Speaker 2: me and see kind of what can happen out in
Speaker 2: the world. And I think that I do agree. I
Speaker 2: think that's probably the best scenario for something like.
Speaker 1: That, But that's what happens. That's what happens. Something sees
Speaker 1: and feels what you're doing. Oh god, it is awesome. Boom,
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, you're the sweetheart of the Grammies
Speaker 1: for a year, then they're ready forgets again, and then
Speaker 1: you're like, dang, why did I put so much emphasis
Speaker 1: on a Grammy Because I'm the same freaking person.
Speaker 2: Right now and I think that. But honestly, that's that
Speaker 2: is part of it for me at this point. So
Speaker 2: many things have happened that I was like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is never going to happen. That it happens. That the
Speaker 2: real thing, more than any specific goal, is being like,
Speaker 2: oh wait, I see how this is always going to
Speaker 2: be because if you've showed me my life to me,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, many years ago, fifteen years ago, be
Speaker 2: like this is unbelievable. Just like you kind of get
Speaker 2: numb to that stuff. And so that's part of me
Speaker 2: is just like yeah, I don't I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to. I know I wouldn't
Speaker 2: chase it, but I don't want to like actually try
Speaker 2: to be like, well, I know, then this will feel
Speaker 2: different it's like, no, it's just always gonna feel like this,
Speaker 2: that's what it's gonna feel like.
Speaker 1: And that's okay, Yeah, I feel that too, But then
Speaker 1: I get a little excited sometimes.
Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't. I think that the proper
Speaker 2: like heart posture for me and maybe for everybody is
Speaker 2: like it's like, enjoy the fun stuff like it's and
Speaker 2: when I get to do a fun, cool thing, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like, well, this doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's awesome, But I don't think that
Speaker 2: it's necessarily gonna be like ideal going forward to be
Speaker 2: to use as fuel. I'm not gonna be happy until
Speaker 2: I get over this next mountain, because it's like, well, dude,
Speaker 2: we're like fifteen mountains deep here and I'm feeling like
Speaker 2: pretty much the same Hank Tight The Bobby Cast will
Speaker 2: be right back.
Speaker 3: Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: These shows that you're doing with the orchestra, how many.
Speaker 2: People between twenty five and thirty five hundred.
Speaker 1: No, in the band. That's a big band, the orchestra.
Speaker 1: If you get twenty hundred people in.
Speaker 2: Orchestra, it's twenty five on first orchestra Colley, I don't
Speaker 2: actually know. It's a little mister Beast type stuff. I bet,
Speaker 2: I bet, I mean, honestly, I bet everybody on stage
Speaker 2: it might be like seventy people.
Speaker 1: Can you hear if somebody's I don't know how many
Speaker 1: horns you have? Okay, if there's you say you have
Speaker 1: three horns and one of them is a goblet horn,
Speaker 1: big horn.
Speaker 2: Guy hereail nail, and both of it.
Speaker 1: If one of the horns a little off, can hear it?
Speaker 2: It's Cody can hear that a little better than I can.
Speaker 2: It's easier for me to hear it when I'm listening
Speaker 2: I'm not playing. So the way they work because you
Speaker 2: fly in and then you the day of the first show,
Speaker 2: you do rehearsal with the orchestra and so there's a
Speaker 2: lot of moving parts there. You're like, I need to
Speaker 2: remember my stuff and do this correctly, and so on
Speaker 2: the first run through. If something is bad wrong, if
Speaker 2: someone hits a like wrong note, I can.
Speaker 1: Hear that tempo though somebody a little tempo off or
Speaker 1: is that never the case? No?
Speaker 2: So that's the deal. It's it's that's part of what's
Speaker 2: fun about it is most people, myself included for full
Speaker 2: band shows are playing to a click, so everyone is
Speaker 2: like supposed to be dialed in. This is we don't
Speaker 2: have any your monitors at all. We have wedges on
Speaker 2: the floor and we can hear the orchestra just it's
Speaker 2: in the room. Develops you, which is cool, but it's
Speaker 2: also like the difference in like running a jet ski
Speaker 2: around and driving like a huge boat. It's like steering.
Speaker 2: I don't know seventy or eighty people. I think it's
Speaker 2: that many people, maybe more. It's it's not like you're
Speaker 2: not like totally dial it's kind of like inferred. We're like,
Speaker 2: we're kind of about right here. So tempo is actually
Speaker 2: a huge challenge because we don't we don't bring a
Speaker 2: drummer with us. It's just me and Cody in the orchestra.
Speaker 1: Do you have to kind of let go of any
Speaker 1: sort of critique of current while you're doing it?
Speaker 2: It's you. It is fun because you're kind of reacting.
Speaker 2: It's like a real time like, oh, like we're going
Speaker 2: this direction. It's a little slower than I thought. We
Speaker 2: need to try to speed it up. Whereas a normal
Speaker 2: full band show everyone's aiming for like perfection it's like
Speaker 2: you're a part of a living organism and you can't
Speaker 2: just be like we're going here. It's like, oh, you
Speaker 2: can like shift a little bit, but it's not gonna
Speaker 2: You're not going to like change it totally.
Speaker 1: If you were going to do a podcast, what would
Speaker 1: you do it on?
Speaker 2: I already know the answer to this, and I actually
Speaker 2: want to do it with the problem is it's too short.
Speaker 2: I want to do a podcast called what What do
Speaker 2: You Eat for Breakfast? And the pitch is I did
Speaker 2: this maybe three years ago, maybe four. I had a
Speaker 2: birthday dinner and we went in on the table everyone's
Speaker 2: breakfast routines, and I know all the people, they're well,
Speaker 2: and what was really interesting was you Actually it's like
Speaker 2: you don't doctor that up for anybody. Like the clothes
Speaker 2: you wear are all for public consumption kind of it's like, well,
Speaker 2: this is what I want you to see my whatever
Speaker 2: the boots are called, and be like, oh those boots.
Speaker 2: Whatever you do breakfast when no one's watching, And so
Speaker 2: all of your idiosyncrasies come out and it's like really
Speaker 2: quirky and funny. It says a lot about the person.
Speaker 2: And so if you really dive deep and like if
Speaker 2: right now is like, what are you eat for breakfast?
Speaker 1: Do it with me?
Speaker 2: Ok great? Uh, welcome to What do you Eat for Breakfast?
Speaker 2: Thanks for the first episode.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan.
Speaker 2: Oh big fan of you too. So we're gonna go
Speaker 2: through your morning routine. What do you eat for breakfast?
Speaker 2: Step by step?
Speaker 1: So I wake up very early?
Speaker 2: Okay? What time?
Speaker 1: Three thirty?
Speaker 2: Alarm? I have one? I never get to it. Do
Speaker 2: you have one set? Or two? Set?
Speaker 1: Two? And then a third like an hour later? In
Speaker 1: case I don't know, I die?
Speaker 2: What's the last time you slept until you're alarm?
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer.
Speaker 2: Okay, the interesting data so far, alarm doesn't hit you
Speaker 2: wake up at three thirty, it's correct.
Speaker 1: Probably like three twenty seven, three twenty six alarm never hits.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, and you you get out of bed fast
Speaker 2: forward me to where you're gonna eat something or drink something?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: Almost immediately I walk out the dogs. But then while
Speaker 1: I'm doing that, I'm planning my meal. There's always a
Speaker 1: couple options. And what I had some overnight oats. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to lose like twenty pounds in three weeks.
Speaker 2: What kind of overnight oats? Oats overnight.
Speaker 1: Over the night they oded? Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's just in a jar.
Speaker 1: My wife made them, okay, Yeah, so she'll make like
Speaker 1: four or five things of overnight oats and she'll put
Speaker 1: like some little berries in it. So but for me,
Speaker 1: it's about efficiency. Yeah, And if they're not there, I
Speaker 1: will just grab what I can eat quickly so I
Speaker 1: can get started. But I had overnight oats this morning
Speaker 1: with a little bit of berry on it, and then
Speaker 1: I can I have two beef sticks just for protein.
Speaker 1: They'd always match to take the palette. But I'll protein
Speaker 1: before I leave the house too.
Speaker 2: How many how many work days are you eating overnight oats?
Speaker 2: Is it every day?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Five?
Speaker 2: Okay? And a beef stick every day also or just
Speaker 2: any protein option.
Speaker 1: Beef sticks are the easiest way for me to remember
Speaker 1: to do it, Okay, So yes, I will say beef
Speaker 1: sticks because more times than not, unless i'm out, if
Speaker 1: I'm out of everything, I'll eat cereal like three wishes
Speaker 1: cereal with low sugar. But mostly it's over and I oh,
Speaker 1: it's some beef sticks.
Speaker 2: High efficiency. And so how long you said it's your
Speaker 2: feeding the dogs. Do you drink anything with this? I
Speaker 2: make a.
Speaker 1: Juice kind of thing with coconut water and then a
Speaker 1: little bit of pineapple juice and a little bit of lime,
Speaker 1: and then I put in my ag because I feel
Speaker 1: like I don't get enough greens.
Speaker 2: I want to try those actually.
Speaker 1: So they don't taste good. But if you cover them
Speaker 1: up with what I'm doing and putting in multi juices
Speaker 1: like a twelve year old.
Speaker 2: Is it in a blender? No?
Speaker 1: I put it in a jar and shake it.
Speaker 2: What kind of jar?
Speaker 1: It's a mason jar. We have like fifteen of them
Speaker 1: that rotate.
Speaker 2: And is it the two piece top three piece? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Top top, top is two pieces, but yeah, three pieces
Speaker 1: of total that little flat things out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so you you put that in then you shake
Speaker 1: it up ice, no ice. That stuff's in the fridge.
Speaker 1: Coconut water, probably three quarters. I don't know whatever's in there.
Speaker 2: You really don't know. Do you not pick it out? No?
Speaker 1: Sometimes just order it like on Uber Eats if I'm out,
Speaker 1: otherwise my wife will grab it.
Speaker 2: No preference if you if you no pulp, but yeah,
Speaker 2: no preference. You wouldn't notice. What if I if I
Speaker 2: switched it out. No, okay, coconut water, pineapple? What else?
Speaker 1: Uh? Lime?
Speaker 2: Lime?
Speaker 1: Yes, that fills up?
Speaker 2: Are you do you have a lime juice or juice? Yeah,
Speaker 2: not lime.
Speaker 1: They make lime juice, but lime juice.
Speaker 2: Like the one that looks like a lime you unscrew
Speaker 2: the top.
Speaker 1: No, that's old cool grandma stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's what I thought. This it's in it.
Speaker 1: This isn't a big jar as well?
Speaker 2: A big jar? Like, have you purchased it? I don't
Speaker 2: go to the store, so I'm just saying, has some
Speaker 2: has someone made the juice?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's but it's bought lime juice in
Speaker 1: a jar? Like yeah, I like, I don't know what's this?
Speaker 1: Eight inches?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, that's fine. Not that's a hopefully as morning
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, hopefully it's like ten.
Speaker 2: But yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, that's that's it, okay, And then
Speaker 1: I had that for breakfast, and again I ate one
Speaker 1: beef stick before I one beef stick in the car,
Speaker 1: and that's breakfast.
Speaker 2: Total total amount of time from you grabbing the overnight
Speaker 2: oats to being done consuming food.
Speaker 1: It doesn't time doesn't factor in because it's easy to do.
Speaker 1: If you need a guess, seven minutes while I'm working.
Speaker 2: Seven minutes while you're working, what time is that? Four am?
Speaker 1: For four four fifteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you eat on the weekend?
Speaker 1: My wife and I will go I have like you
Speaker 1: nice breakfasts. Yeah, and we'll go and have like a
Speaker 1: brunch type thing where I think my typical now is
Speaker 1: potatoes and one scrambled egg and two pieces of beef
Speaker 1: down at this place called Urban Market.
Speaker 2: So per you just told me about Urban Market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, that's that's Caitlin's favorite place to go. So
Speaker 1: that clean. Otherwise, if I don't keep it so regimented,
Speaker 1: I will eat all sugar. Ill eat cookies for breakfast.
Speaker 1: So I can't because I will eat all cookies. I
Speaker 1: will eat ten bowls. I was telling Kevin Kluge, our trainer,
Speaker 1: even if I'm eating low sugar, I'll eat twenty bowls
Speaker 1: of cereal a week if I if I just start
Speaker 1: having cereal.
Speaker 2: If you don't like pre make those decisions. If so,
Speaker 2: so a day that you go, there's no overnight otes,
Speaker 2: there's no anything, I.
Speaker 1: Go a hand, then then what it is it? It's
Speaker 1: whatever I get my hands on. And if it's really good.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop eating it really because I have
Speaker 1: no self I have control on what I expose myself to,
Speaker 1: but once I'm exposed to have a lot of I
Speaker 1: have a very much lack of self control.
Speaker 2: I'm similar. I feel like I can be pretty disciplined
Speaker 2: and then if it's like oops, then it's.
Speaker 1: Like and keeps sugar out of the house. But if
Speaker 1: it comes for a visit, it just gets eaten.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no overnight notes. How many bowls of cereal
Speaker 2: do you think you.
Speaker 1: Would eat in the morning?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Four? Wow, real milk.
Speaker 1: I would eat the whole box. No, I aw milk,
Speaker 1: no two percent milk. I eat the whole box in
Speaker 1: one sitting. Every time new box gum, I eat the
Speaker 1: whole pack. Really, yeah, I eat the whole box.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you got to get those systems in
Speaker 2: place and then you're good that if they're not in place, tough.
Speaker 1: To absolutely And that's but that's breakfast to me. Is
Speaker 1: like life too, m M. I got to have those
Speaker 1: systems and if I'm doing it, I can rocket. But
Speaker 1: if I'm not and I'm just kind of floating around,
Speaker 1: I float hard. The current gets you, Yeah, so what's
Speaker 1: my breakfast?
Speaker 2: Say?
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm gonna get my fortune ready, but with my break.
Speaker 2: Well the first episode, so I don't, I'm not. I
Speaker 2: don't have it. I don't have a dialt yet. I
Speaker 2: think what's interesting though, I think it's I feel like
Speaker 2: every time I've talked to somebody about this, it is
Speaker 2: like an interesting window into them in some way because
Speaker 2: you're not you haven't since there's not an audience for that.
Speaker 2: You're just like I'm doing my thing with no regard
Speaker 2: for like what anyone would think about this, And I
Speaker 2: think it's really interesting. I have a lot of similarities
Speaker 2: to that. But as far as being like because from
Speaker 2: what I know of you, I'm like, oh, dude, you're
Speaker 2: like so with it, so like you're like dialed and
Speaker 2: it is funny to be like, oh, the systems help you.
Speaker 2: But as soon as like there's not systems and you're
Speaker 2: just like free, it's like, ooh, this is this is
Speaker 2: like maybe not going to go great. Also fascinating about
Speaker 2: the alarms, man, I mean that you haven't needed an
Speaker 2: alarm in a long time for that early is really something.
Speaker 1: I hate it because I wake up six times a
Speaker 1: night and I got a SEPAP because I do have
Speaker 1: sleep apnea a bit, and that was part of it.
Speaker 1: But now I'm sleeping with a machine, I still wake up,
Speaker 1: so like, oh god, am I. It's just it's anxiety, right,
Speaker 1: I don't have general life anxiety. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I have it in the daytime. Mmm. I think I
Speaker 1: know people that do have it and they live with
Speaker 1: it physically. Yeah, I don't, and partially probably because I
Speaker 1: keep it going, keep everything going, so I don't have
Speaker 1: time to sit with it. Yeah, And so when I
Speaker 1: do sit with it is maybe when I go to sleep.
Speaker 1: That's kind of when it manifests itself. And also I
Speaker 1: can't be late to work. Yeah, I'm like to work things.
Speaker 1: Ratings go down, revenue goes down. Then I get fired.
Speaker 1: Then I'm back to where I started, back at home.
Speaker 1: Like that's where my mind goes. And that is not rational,
Speaker 1: It's really not. But you're not a rational person either. No,
Speaker 1: in some way, in certain areas, I very much am so,
Speaker 1: but not when it comes to that.
Speaker 2: It's really also seven minutes pretty quick.
Speaker 1: But what am I gonna do?
Speaker 2: I don't know other other people. Some people are like
Speaker 2: a saver of the morning.
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's no saving.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If there's time in the day, that's time for me
Speaker 1: to get something done.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel so lazy when it's like relax. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's the worst.
Speaker 2: I just think, how much have we learned about you
Speaker 2: just in this little in this little routine A lot.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on the show.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate going on the first episode. Man, this
Speaker 2: has been great.
Speaker 1: It's a big honor to be here. So that's a
Speaker 1: good podcast though, because that's really not about breakfast.
Speaker 2: And the thing is I think I think you could
Speaker 2: the episodes would be pretty short, but I feel like
Speaker 2: everything that every time someone does like a podcast tour,
Speaker 2: you get some little pieces of the real them, but
Speaker 2: on some level, like they're always and the questions they're
Speaker 2: getting are mostly about things they've put out there about
Speaker 2: themselves and how much would you love to know, Like
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan, like, let me just ask you every
Speaker 2: you eat for breakfast, because you know he's gonna people
Speaker 2: are so funny in particular'd when you're like two beef
Speaker 2: sticks and I feel like it's I also want to
Speaker 2: know what the like no brands thing is because I
Speaker 2: feel like I would be like, oh dude, I got
Speaker 2: it's got to be whatever, because I get shirts total.
Speaker 1: I mean perc Yeah, where it's like this one doesn't
Speaker 1: feel so good on my skin hundred percent. Mine's not
Speaker 1: about brands as long as it does the job.
Speaker 2: It's I think honestly that that is a that is
Speaker 2: interesting to me because you are so specific, but also
Speaker 2: it's almost like in service of a greater utilitarian goal
Speaker 2: because you're like, yeah, I don't know, like coconut water,
Speaker 2: where I'd be like, oh dude, I tried like six
Speaker 2: of them. I really like that one. That's it. I
Speaker 2: feel like you're like, it's coconut waterman, whatever.
Speaker 1: As long as I get from it what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I guess if it's bad and I get sick on
Speaker 1: it or I don't like I really hate the taste,
Speaker 1: but really it's there to do a job.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but I feel like you are you are.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I think that says a lot to me
Speaker 2: about like how you operate, because I feel like you're
Speaker 2: not a guy who's super like I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: what have like you like? I feel like you are
Speaker 2: specific and you are driven in certain ways. And it's
Speaker 2: it's cool and interesting to me that you're like but
Speaker 2: that I don't care. It's whatever.
Speaker 1: But I would say it has to be coconut water.
Speaker 1: It has to be lying, but it has.
Speaker 2: To be dude, some people, some people are getting so
Speaker 2: so in the weeds on on random stuff that's just
Speaker 2: interesting me.
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: Well, this was, this has been Thanks for having me
Speaker 1: on a show. Can you come back on my show
Speaker 1: for a minute. Well, I guess like, okay, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1: How many of these theaters are they all in theaters that.
Speaker 2: It's usually there's usually like a sometimes it's just a theater,
Speaker 2: but a lot of times it's like a place that's
Speaker 2: been built for the orchestra or symphony. I don't really
Speaker 2: know those terms interchangeably.
Speaker 1: With Cody in your band at one point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we played together for a long time and he
Speaker 2: he'd always like done artists stuff, And as happens with
Speaker 2: anyone who's like truly uniquely gifted, I feel like after
Speaker 2: a while it's like, oh, dude, you got to go
Speaker 2: do your own thing, because like you're too good to
Speaker 2: be doing this. But yeah, he started doing more artist
Speaker 2: stuff and then had great success with one of his
Speaker 2: songs on TikTok that he had released. It was like
Speaker 2: a song that had been out for I don't know
Speaker 2: how long, and it kind of like went crazy on
Speaker 2: Anime TikTok and then.
Speaker 1: It blew up and so Anime TikTok I think so.
Speaker 2: I think it was maybe maybe a specific version of
Speaker 2: Anime TikTok. I don't know remember which one, but like
Speaker 2: that was the sort of like silo that it bounced
Speaker 2: around a bunch. But he's also lean more into doing
Speaker 2: specifically orchestral stuff, which I think was a great call
Speaker 2: for him because he's uniquely gifted at that.
Speaker 1: I had a song with Haley Whitters come Together.
Speaker 2: Basically Dan, and she asked me to go on tour.
Speaker 2: I said yes because I was so stoked to get
Speaker 2: to do support. I haven't gotten to do support in
Speaker 2: like ten years because of the genre lists we talked
Speaker 2: about earlier, so I was stoked. I was just like
Speaker 2: pumped to get to be in front of new people
Speaker 2: and get to do something interesting without a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2: And they told me that Haley was gonna be first
Speaker 2: of three, and I was legitimately stoked. Hillary and I
Speaker 2: both really love her music, and I feel like everybody
Speaker 2: does that. They're like, I was such a fan, it's
Speaker 2: like really where I know her? One of her managers, Well,
Speaker 2: I've like followed her career. I really like it. And
Speaker 2: so I was in kind of a season where my
Speaker 2: game within a game was like I want to do
Speaker 2: stuff that sounds fun to me, that's like engaging, and
Speaker 2: what sounds fun to me. What sounded fun to me
Speaker 2: was to write a song, try to write a song
Speaker 2: that she would want to sing with me on the tour,
Speaker 2: just because I was like, it'd be fun to get
Speaker 2: to do that. I think she's talented and fun and
Speaker 2: that would be just like a fun memory for me.
Speaker 2: So I wrote it was one of those weird songs
Speaker 2: that came out like so fast. It was just like
Speaker 2: lo and then so I wrote it with the guy
Speaker 2: in my band, Austin, and we finished it with a
Speaker 2: guy named Brett who had written for her before, and
Speaker 2: we're all freaking out about it. We're like, this is
Speaker 2: so good. And she weirdly came into Austin's publisher the
Speaker 2: next day and they played her the song and didn't
Speaker 2: tell me they're going to Austin was like, I hope
Speaker 2: that's okay. I was like, what did she like it?
Speaker 2: I hope. I was like, I don't know, I don't,
Speaker 2: but she really liked it and everyone was stoked. But
Speaker 2: that was it.
Speaker 1: You play a banjo in it, a ganjo, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call that. For the sake of anybody else,
Speaker 1: that's a banjo unless you're.
Speaker 2: In the weeds. Yes, it's it's like you're playing you don't. Don't.
Speaker 1: It'saut yourself.
Speaker 2: Don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you do the thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Okay, great, So you're playing this band,
Speaker 1: it sounds like a banjo. You're playing a banjo. Did
Speaker 1: any part of you go I don't think I should
Speaker 1: play a banjo because people will think that I'm pandering.
Speaker 2: Actually, I never I was more worried when the song
Speaker 2: started to get like stuff was happening and people were like,
Speaker 2: are you doing this? I was like, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not like gonna say no to this, but I I
Speaker 2: wanted to express where the song came from. Mostly, so
Speaker 2: the banjo part, to me, I feel like, I'm totally
Speaker 2: for like being in service of the song totally and
Speaker 2: that's what it needed, like it wouldn't have been as
Speaker 2: good with a guitar, And in a weird way, I
Speaker 2: feel like banjo on that song feels more like something
Speaker 2: that I would do, where it's almost feels more like
Speaker 2: to me. When I wrote it, it was felt like a
Speaker 2: Muppets bluegrass song. It's like Sesame Street. And that is
Speaker 2: where I was like, Oh, this is something that even
Speaker 2: if Hailey had been like I don't like the song
Speaker 2: at all, I would have done the song as it
Speaker 2: was just without her, because that part of it, that's
Speaker 2: the kind of like, yeah, it feels like classic American music,
Speaker 2: and it definitely I get that it feels like country also,
Speaker 2: but I feel like if I turned on Sesame Street
Speaker 2: and I saw that song, I would be like yes,
Speaker 2: and I think it would be worse it was an
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar. I'd be like, oh, is this like hither Delilah.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, this is like an interesting kind of
Speaker 2: like folky. It's just like a feels like a Hailey's husbands,
Speaker 2: like feels like it's like a standard, like you're covering
Speaker 2: a song. I was like, yeah, that's what it feels
Speaker 2: like to me.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like pandering at all, but just knowing
Speaker 1: how your mind works. I didn't know if you had
Speaker 1: been like, this is perfect and then you record like,
Speaker 1: oh god, it feels.
Speaker 2: Like it could be. I think because I have like
Speaker 2: a streak of like wanting to do things for the
Speaker 2: right reason. Because I knew where I was coming from
Speaker 2: with it, I didn't feel weird about that at all.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been like because I it was natural,
Speaker 2: and if someone would be like, doesn't seem naturally, be like, well,
Speaker 2: it was. I don't have to tell you.
Speaker 1: You know, how has it been going with that song?
Speaker 1: And it's life in country? I just know from my side,
Speaker 1: I've been playing its much. I liked the song, and
Speaker 1: then I saw Anya post that she was playing it.
Speaker 1: Who's a good friend of Mine's here, so I has
Speaker 1: it organically just kind of started to get legs.
Speaker 2: I think what's been interesting to me is it was
Speaker 2: received a lot better than I thought it would be
Speaker 2: as far as like either industry or on DSPs or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I think some of that really is what we
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier with like Grammy or whatever stuff.
Speaker 2: I think that there ended up being a bunch of
Speaker 2: people at Spotify or at Amazon or YouTube or whatever
Speaker 2: you I don't know, Anya, but people like that. I
Speaker 2: feel like there was some general goodwill where it was like, oh, dude,
Speaker 2: like this is actually really good and it was met
Speaker 2: with more like open arms than I thought it would be.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't like, this has got to like crush
Speaker 2: and do incredible, but I was surprised at how well
Speaker 2: it was received. I think there was just a number
Speaker 2: of people that were like, at like DSPs specifically because
Speaker 2: I'm not like going to be on like a pop
Speaker 2: pop playlist. I feel like a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: like I can help you with this, this is good
Speaker 2: and I like your music. So there's more of that
Speaker 2: than I thought there would be. I don't in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, I don't honestly have a great metric for like,
Speaker 2: is it crushing. It seems like it's doing pretty good,
Speaker 2: better than I thought it would do, for sure. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Part of that too, is that you weren't going I'm
Speaker 1: a country artist now it's a second right, and I'll
Speaker 1: include myself in this mix of when people come out
Speaker 1: and they got I'm now a country You're like, ah,
Speaker 1: prove it. But if they don't and they're like, I
Speaker 1: made this song and it is what you think it is,
Speaker 1: We're like, that's.
Speaker 2: Pretty freaking country.
Speaker 1: That's cool because you're not like imposing it right.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly what you said. With the banjo thing, I
Speaker 2: felt more like that there were weirdly a bunch of
Speaker 2: things that came together at the same time. I felt
Speaker 2: more like Terry Clark is doing like a I forget
Speaker 2: what it's called. It's like a record of her hits
Speaker 2: that are all like done with other people. I did
Speaker 2: that with her at this point. It may may have
Speaker 2: been like eighteen months ago, and then before the Hailey
Speaker 2: thing was like for sure, for sure, like this is
Speaker 2: gonna happen. I wanted to release a song before the
Speaker 2: Dan and Shade tour, and the only song we had
Speaker 2: that was like done and good from the acoustic tour
Speaker 2: was the cover of Great Day to Be Live. And
Speaker 2: it felt like several things came together, like really tight.
Speaker 2: And I felt a little bit like that, even just
Speaker 2: to my fans, where people are like are you and
Speaker 2: I wanted to be like I'm not. This stuff just
Speaker 2: kind of like came together. I felt more like that
Speaker 2: about that because I didn't think it would all come
Speaker 2: at the same time like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you accidentally want a Grammy too, honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It's not even about the Grammy.
Speaker 1: The Grammy can mean anything, sure, But we'll have a
Speaker 1: few minutes left. But I got a couple other things.
Speaker 1: Would you mind sharing your I don't even want to
Speaker 1: spoil who it's about, but I'm gonna let you tell
Speaker 1: the story about how you went to a certain thing
Speaker 1: and your hero was there and you end up hanging
Speaker 1: out with a hero all day? Is he like chased
Speaker 1: your a followity?
Speaker 2: Oh can you just.
Speaker 1: Tell that story just from the beginning, But yes, yes,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Uh, this was this is maybe like the coolest thing
Speaker 2: ever for me personally. I got to go play at
Speaker 2: the AT and T pro am, which is like the
Speaker 2: holy Grail of all golf things if you're not a
Speaker 2: professional golfer.
Speaker 1: At Pebble Beach.
Speaker 2: At Pebble Beach, yes, it's like on television all that stuff,
Speaker 2: And so I initially was going out there. They were like, hey,
Speaker 2: could you come do some music because they have like
Speaker 2: parties every night, and they were like, we'd love to
Speaker 2: have you be in the celebrity hole in one, which
Speaker 2: is like all the celebrities in the tournament. Jim Nantz
Speaker 2: announces it and you all hit like one shot closest
Speaker 2: to pin. It's like a miniature tournament. You knew that
Speaker 2: you can play in all the practice rounds, you know.
Speaker 2: It felt like that was like a good way for
Speaker 2: me to like sort of get to know the people
Speaker 2: that run the tournament. And I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll go out and play pebble and NPCC which is minor,
Speaker 2: and Peninsula Country Club it's awesoin course, and I'll do
Speaker 2: the celebrity hole in one and maybe they'll think I'm
Speaker 2: a good guy and decent golfer and we'll have you back.
Speaker 2: They were like, if anyone drops out of the tournament,
Speaker 2: you can be the tournament. And I was like totally.
Speaker 2: And I'm not great at like not great at networking
Speaker 2: or any that kind of stuff, but I was like,
Speaker 2: I really like this stuff and if nothing ever happened,
Speaker 2: that just be cool and fun. So I get out there.
Speaker 2: I play the concert. It was for the tournament committee,
Speaker 2: I guess I don't really remember, and they were like, hey,
Speaker 2: we think he have a spot in the tournament, of course,
Speaker 2: I'm over the moon. And one of my very favorite artists,
Speaker 2: Hugh Lewis. My dad listened to him a lot growing up,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was like dorky dad music, and
Speaker 2: then I realized after I grew up, I was like,
Speaker 2: this is actually like some of the sickest music ever.
Speaker 2: And so Hugh Lewis was going to come back and
Speaker 2: do one last at and T and he hurt his
Speaker 2: shoulder and they were like, you're going to replace Hugh Lewis,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that's incredible. That's wild to
Speaker 2: feel bad that he's hurt. He's like, but he was
Speaker 2: going to walk with your group? Is that cool? And
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like time out. What? So basically,
Speaker 2: I'm playing in the coolest golf thing in the world.
Speaker 2: It really is. There's not a cooler amateur golf event.
Speaker 2: And it's basically me and Huey Lewis. Steve Young was
Speaker 2: the other celebrity. I'm not putting myself in the same
Speaker 2: category as Hugh Listen Steve Young, but you know you
Speaker 2: I do, I now do. I didn't. Then he's honestly
Speaker 2: the nicest person. Okay, yeah, Huey Lewis is walking around
Speaker 2: and he's him and Peter Jacobson, who is his pro partner,
Speaker 2: who's a golf announcer now, was like a dominant golfer
Speaker 2: in his day. They came back to do the tournament
Speaker 2: one last time together. Peter Jacob's caddy was fluff legendary caddy.
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable and so basically my week was I
Speaker 2: would hit a shot and then walk down the fairway
Speaker 2: with Hughey and just kick it. I mean we hung
Speaker 2: out all day. He came to every round and I
Speaker 2: tried so not to geek out. Some of his band came,
Speaker 2: I got to meet them. I did a project. Yes,
Speaker 2: some of the news several anchors, but it did. It
Speaker 2: was incredible, and he was a gentleman and he was
Speaker 2: like he was like my older brother. He was like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me let me help you out with this at
Speaker 2: this tournament, or like here's the deal. It was the best, man.
Speaker 2: It was, honestly, I was like on cloud nine. It
Speaker 2: was the best.
Speaker 1: One year later, smash Cut, I was presented with the
Speaker 1: same situation that you were presented. Come out, come on.
Speaker 1: We can't promise you spot, but come play the practice rounds,
Speaker 1: come do the deal, And so I go out and
Speaker 1: somebody does get hurt and I'm invited to play, but
Speaker 1: I got a call from the Grammy's going, hey, can
Speaker 1: you cover the grand? So I'm like, oh, what do
Speaker 1: I do in the weather was really bad that year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna I played the practice rounds.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Everybody's super cool. And I really only
Speaker 1: did it mostly because of your advice. You were like,
Speaker 1: even if you don't get to play, it's worth it.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: I didn't fully understand, but I understood that you wouldn't
Speaker 1: put me in a place where mine roses get the
Speaker 1: best of me, thinking I'm not good enough because you
Speaker 1: don't feel And I got out there and I definitely
Speaker 1: didn't feel that. And so well, I remember standing on
Speaker 1: a practice screen and my eyes are just wide open
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of really like cool to me celebrities.
Speaker 2: It's a great collection of those people where it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: can't believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played a part three, whole round of a
Speaker 1: part three with Ray Romano. Thought he was hilarious, totally
Speaker 1: Josh du Mal super nice guy. But I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like, great but still got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got it.
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing Steve Young on the practice screen
Speaker 1: and he was standing with like four other people and
Speaker 1: he kind of was holding court because everybody's like, that's
Speaker 1: breaking Steve Young, and so I'm like, I just want
Speaker 1: to get over and say hi, that's all. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of waddled over and got in the group,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't even know what they're saying,
Speaker 1: but they're like, oh, Steve, that's a good So they broke.
Speaker 1: They broke the group, and I say, hey. I was like,
Speaker 1: mister Young, but I didn't know what to what are
Speaker 1: you called Steve Young?
Speaker 2: I think it's fair. I think it's incorrect.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP, super Bowl Court Champion.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'm Bobby, really nice to meet you,
Speaker 1: and he said, oh you're Bobby Bones. He said listen
Speaker 1: to your show all the time. And now I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my.
Speaker 2: God, wow.
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, does he just has he heard
Speaker 1: the name?
Speaker 2: And that's all I.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm foed to follow up with this story. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's a funny, funny ending, but he's so nice
Speaker 1: to me that I think, who cares? I had a
Speaker 1: really great one time experience with Steve Young that I'll
Speaker 1: never get to have again. I'll never see him again,
Speaker 1: but that's awesome because I'll hold on to how cool
Speaker 1: that experience was.
Speaker 2: And he is actually the nice.
Speaker 1: My one of one. He was super nice and you
Speaker 1: say it too, I believe it. So this morning on
Speaker 1: my show was talking about top five people that I've
Speaker 1: ever met and been star struck by. But I also
Speaker 1: admit that comes with the caveatum. I'm jaded. Sure, I
Speaker 1: get to meet a lot of quote unquote cool people,
Speaker 1: some of them Mate's so cool. And also you start
Speaker 1: to see once you're around a lot of famous people
Speaker 1: that they're just people. Yeah, it's and it's hard to
Speaker 1: ever get but I go five to one, Mike. I
Speaker 1: know number one was Adam Dirret's Count of Crows because
Speaker 1: my favorite band as a kid. Do you know who
Speaker 1: else was on by Steve Young is one of them
Speaker 1: I put on the list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1: Move on with my day. This is this morning. I
Speaker 1: get a text like, I don't know, nine thirty this
Speaker 1: morning from Steve Young. I never gave him my number,
Speaker 1: by the way, he says, Bob, just like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not lying nine fifty two am this morning.
Speaker 2: That's that's his picture. Where did he come on the list?
Speaker 2: Number four? Okay? So who was five? He? He was like,
Speaker 2: what's the deal with one? Derek Jeter?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: He was at four, Lenny Kravitz at three, Jim Nancit two,
Speaker 2: and Derret's at one.
Speaker 1: So I said, he said, hey's Steve Young. I'm listening
Speaker 1: to the show this morning, and bam, I hear my
Speaker 1: name and he says, I got your number from Steve John.
Speaker 1: I called him, who's the head of that?
Speaker 2: And he's and he look look at this. He says,
Speaker 2: that's so. And so I replied back.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't even know what to say back,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I wanted to make sure he knew
Speaker 1: he was Steve Young, Like you're Steve Young. And so
Speaker 1: we have our little text thing and he says, you know,
Speaker 1: I love the show whatever, there's a certain bet he
Speaker 1: wanted to remind me of. And then he goes because
Speaker 1: I was making fun of myself when I went to
Speaker 1: meet and I was like him, mister Young. He said, uh,
Speaker 1: I first met Carlton Heston way back and I was starstruck,
Speaker 1: and then sped out, Oh I loved you and big
Speaker 1: her so whatever whatever, and that happens, and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'll never text him again.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's real.
Speaker 1: It's like Jim nance he's invited me to invite him
Speaker 1: to come and do stuff or be on the show.
Speaker 2: I never do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never call him, be like, hey Jim, what's up.
Speaker 2: You know the time he told me to say Hugh
Speaker 2: Lowis is like, here's my number, A zero percent. The
Speaker 2: fact that you gave it, that's a gifted.
Speaker 1: He just texted me six minutes ago again again, let
Speaker 1: me know if I can help in any way.
Speaker 2: Love what you do. Will you please tell him? I said, Hi,
Speaker 2: we can both.
Speaker 1: I don't know well enough, but if you hear it
Speaker 1: gives me this real strength.
Speaker 2: Hondo Pece.
Speaker 1: I send a video. Hey Steve, it's Ben Recked.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm Bobby. This is Steve. I was trying to
Speaker 2: tell Bobby what a nice guy you were, and he
Speaker 2: was like, is he really that nice? And I was
Speaker 2: like one hundred percent? And they showed me the text.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ben and I are He was telling a
Speaker 1: story about Huey Lewis and I said you're my Huey
Speaker 1: Lewis whole understanding what that means later. But anyway, Ben
Speaker 1: and I were just talking about you random. You randomly
Speaker 1: came out truly randomly, truly random, and then you just
Speaker 1: text me. So I was like, I'm I will hit
Speaker 1: him back anyway. I hope you're good bye.
Speaker 2: He he is the nicest guy we've like, you know me,
Speaker 2: hue Lewis gives me his number. I'm not texting. We've
Speaker 2: like kept up. Actually he we left the tournament and
Speaker 2: he was like, we're brothers now and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you mean that. I didn't say that,
Speaker 2: and then he totally did. He's a really nice guy,
Speaker 2: legitimately nice.
Speaker 1: And boom sent it. Okay, I have one final question,
Speaker 1: and we've done. We've done. We've been here a long time.
Speaker 1: But when you and I were not first met. We
Speaker 1: met on an airplane. Myself was flight very briefly sitting
Speaker 1: in line for the bathroom. Yep, you remember that, right,
Speaker 1: I do. I can't stop thinking about it. But I
Speaker 1: was in such a bad place.
Speaker 2: Man. You did you did this show.
Speaker 1: We kind of became friendly, then we became friends.
Speaker 2: Then we got there we got ripped together.
Speaker 1: Yes, then we're just we're jacked. But I don't know
Speaker 1: the version of you. I've never been a friend with you,
Speaker 1: and you've put out new music. Like I kind of
Speaker 1: knew you, knew you enough to text you and go like, hey,
Speaker 1: like this record. This is why I feel like some
Speaker 1: of this stuff is special. But I didn't know you. Like now,
Speaker 1: if you put out new music, it'd be a whole
Speaker 1: different experience for me. Yeah, so what where are you
Speaker 1: in that? Because I don't know I don't know you
Speaker 1: in that way. Yep, where are you making anything new?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So basically right now, I feel like I'm at
Speaker 2: the edge of the diving board. I have a collection
Speaker 2: of songs, I'm excited, and I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how I want to approach it total honesty, a little
Speaker 2: daunted by the current landscape because I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: watching everyone just be like throw their dart at the
Speaker 2: board and there's like a billion other darts and everyone's
Speaker 2: just like eh, not that that would discourage me from
Speaker 2: doing it, but just like mechanically how i'd want to
Speaker 2: do it. I think probably in my head I was like,
Speaker 2: I'll get past the dan and shade tour and get
Speaker 2: home and figure out how to record it. But I
Speaker 2: think I think it's really I think they're very good songs,
Speaker 2: and I don't always feel like that, and I think
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out how I want to
Speaker 2: like capture them because I feel like more and more
Speaker 2: your like, hate to say this out loud, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to like your content kind of is your song.
Speaker 2: It's like the days of like, do you like this,
Speaker 2: We'll head over to Spotify swipe. You're just like, so
Speaker 2: I'm kind of figuring out, like what do I want
Speaker 2: to do? What angle do I want to take there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's where I am. I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how to navigate this current landscape.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of words and you have a bunch of songs.
Speaker 2: Do they all?
Speaker 1: Are they a collection of like minded songs? Are they
Speaker 1: just a bunch of songs that you like?
Speaker 2: No, there's there's several Like, there's several like groups, and
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, whish of these groups feels like
Speaker 2: it would be fun and life giving to do and
Speaker 2: what would I get excited to like for the next
Speaker 2: however long be like this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Bonus final question. Do you feel at times you're ever
Speaker 1: too precious about putt stuff out and that could that
Speaker 1: could keep your I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I feel like the whole like
Speaker 2: put stuff out all the time thing is so new
Speaker 2: and I think that everyone is like, that's what you
Speaker 2: gotta do to like increase your stats. But I also
Speaker 2: feel like what's happening now is like so many people
Speaker 2: are putting so much music out all the time that
Speaker 2: nobody cares anymore. So I'm like, I don't I don't know,
Speaker 2: and I will put out probably one song at a time,
Speaker 2: but I feel like even the internal pressure of like
Speaker 2: I released Color my World like two months ago, like
Speaker 2: prob probably gotta get something else out. I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if because for me, the bands that
Speaker 2: I like that do that, I just start tuning it out.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: What about a concept EP? Total concept EP that's right
Speaker 1: up your freaking out, Yeah.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yes, there's there's one one thing I
Speaker 2: want to do.
Speaker 1: Don't spoil it because I don't want to text everyone.
Speaker 1: We pull that down so if you say something that
Speaker 1: you don't think you want to be up, don't don't
Speaker 1: even say it because I don't want to text later
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna worry about he probably wants to
Speaker 1: taken down. So don't say it. Just be very vague,
Speaker 1: and I want to keep us both out of this
Speaker 1: spinning that we do.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's several things that I'd like to do. One
Speaker 2: of them is very specific concept that I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's a good idea, but I think would be.
Speaker 2: I've never seen anyone do it, and I kind of
Speaker 2: want to do it, but the world might not need it,
Speaker 2: you know, they might be like I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear a song about.
Speaker 1: Blank Oklahoma Mandarin. That's what I would think. It is
Speaker 1: that that Oklahoma Mandarin the first Oklahoma to do a
Speaker 1: full Manderin album.
Speaker 2: No, that would You're you're kind of close.
Speaker 1: I I think as an artist, you're awesome. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I I as a friend, I think you're really good.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You know it could be better, and sorry, couldn't we
Speaker 1: all be? But no, I'm really looking forward to whatever
Speaker 1: it is that you're going to do. I don't even
Speaker 1: ask you about that stuff. Who has time when you're
Speaker 1: breathing as hard as we have to with freaking Kevin Kluge.
Speaker 1: But I'm putting a pick a ball court back here.
Speaker 2: Oh is clue coming today? Is going to get hard today? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because you worry. That's why I'm going
Speaker 1: to clear you to go before he even gets here.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, He'll be like, Ben, what's the deal? What
Speaker 2: is the deal? Uh? The deal is I hurt my
Speaker 2: back a little bit the one time that Eddie and
Speaker 2: I worked out and you weren't there. Basically I hadn't
Speaker 2: been for a couple of weeks and we did too hard.
Speaker 2: I was sore for seven calendar days. We did a
Speaker 2: million deadlifts and Bulgarians. Uh. And then yesterday I had
Speaker 2: a charity golf tournament and then I'm going to do
Speaker 2: a member guest. I leave Thursday at like five in
Speaker 2: the morning. Where's the member guest in San Francisco? Got it?
Speaker 1: Well? Are you playing golf again? Because for a while
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't play golf anymore. I just
Speaker 1: played pickleball.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm honestly, I'm like full on into golf.
Speaker 2: I'm back, so so played golf yesterday can't go into
Speaker 2: uh not an important tournament, but just like a real tournament,
Speaker 2: being like, sorry, guys, I can't walk. I just million.
Speaker 1: But I mean, are you really in a golf now?
Speaker 1: Are you just waiting until pickleball? Because we've been through
Speaker 1: this and I was like.
Speaker 2: Golf pickle I mean I'm in I'm in a golf zone.
Speaker 1: Right. You're a deceivingly good athlete, which is annoying.
Speaker 2: It's really nice you to say.
Speaker 1: And you are taller than people expect. I thought you
Speaker 1: get that all the time.
Speaker 2: Most common thing people say to me.
Speaker 1: You're yeah, I mean six nine six nine, yeah at
Speaker 1: least Okay, Look, we're gonna end this. When you hear
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones' new podcast would you have for breakfast? I
Speaker 1: think nothing of it. I think nothing of it? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: followed bit. Now I'm just gonna straight rip. It's not
Speaker 1: even gonna be something I could like using court. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be I stole at Ben underscore rector on Instagram?
Speaker 1: What is it on TikTok though?
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. I don't know,
Speaker 2: have to taketalk on my phone. Maybe been in a
Speaker 2: corrector who loads it? Uh my Social Team, got it.
Speaker 1: Fancy Ben underscore director. I mean I have one too,
Speaker 1: but I just I just don't.
Speaker 2: Ben, underscore director.
Speaker 1: Check out Color My World and the tour dates because
Speaker 1: you're done with Dan and Shay. But now it's a
Speaker 1: symphony show starting May tenth, eleventh, fifteen, sixteenth, all the
Speaker 1: way through September seventh. I'm just gonna read the cities
Speaker 1: down Coast of Mason, California, Coast of Mason, California, Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Atlanta, Nashville, Nashville, Detroit, Dallas, Dallas,
Speaker 1: and from now.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, Okay. I'm excited to hear about your concept record.
Speaker 1: I hope it's like cowboys, These cowboys, that's it. That.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no nothing else not country music. It's cowboys.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, there he has been record.
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
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