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Speaker 1: My friend Ben Rector, it's the second time on the show.

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Speaker 1: I's got some big songs here, brand new whoa hoo,

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Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa whoa.

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Speaker 1: He has a new song called Color Up My World

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Speaker 1: that we play a bunch with Hailey Witters. Wait it

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Speaker 1: Ben Ben wrote Color Up My World? Yeah, okay, it

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Speaker 1: may be a typo, but has written by Ben Folds,

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Speaker 1: who's also one of my favorite artists. Different Ben, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that'd be cool.

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Speaker 2: Have Ben Folds wrote it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, huh, that'd be cool. Ben Rector and Ben Folds

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Speaker 1: and you know other wasn't the Ben's at one time,

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Speaker 1: I love the Bens. I loved all the Bens individually too,

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Speaker 1: and I love this Ben. So a couple of things here,

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Speaker 1: Ben Rector. He I basically started playing music at the

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Speaker 1: Rector And it was an amphitheater and ampeater was sold

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Speaker 1: How you been.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I feel like it's nice to be done

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Speaker 1: Do you have other I mean, you're you're not retired

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is probably a conversation for real life.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm always trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: What do you mean look like like the perception of

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm fixing this, Mike stan pushould be doing that. No,

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Speaker 2: what I how I define success? What I want my

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Speaker 2: Hillary at this point is so patient but always like

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Speaker 1: Did you know? I didn't know this? You may have

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Did you know that? I mean a

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Speaker 2: Hillary's probably just like been so great, That's what she says. Right.

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Speaker 1: I think when they compare us, they compare how great

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Speaker 2: Who's better?

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Speaker 1: Who could say I didn't I I literally didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: I know that my wife adores your wife way more

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Speaker 1: They had been, and my wife doesn't tell me anything

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that's right. I mean, Hillary tells

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Speaker 2: Definitely, I think that's exactly right. I think also the

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Speaker 2: I think the style of music that is popular, so like,

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Speaker 1: I feel though the genres are becoming way, way, way

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Speaker 1: just trying to think what I would classify your music

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Speaker 2: I think singer song is probably not gonna go with

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with warm alternative.

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Speaker 2: Oh honestly, it's pretty good, but it's really good.

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Speaker 1: It is definitely not the same as anything else. But

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Speaker 1: you can't go just straight alternative. No, it's not because

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Speaker 1: your your tones, but a warm alternative that I like,

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Speaker 1: What do you do? I do warm alternative?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's tweeter bio. Yeah I don't have Twitter,

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Speaker 2: but what does that mean? Look it up?

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Speaker 1: Check it out by they look it up, You're gone

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Speaker 2: It doesn't even matter. Warm alternative dot com. It's just

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Speaker 1: It's interesting when you talk about not having a home.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I moved here. I moved here from

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Speaker 1: was doing pop ten years ago eleven wow hoop and

433
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 1: hip hop? Yeah, oh wow, I was doing I was

434
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 1: too country to do pop and hip hop. We'd play

435
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 1: but it's like now, we don't play a lot of music,

436
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: but the stations that we were on would be pop

437
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 1: and hip hop and so but I would do and

438
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: we'd have whatever. But i'd have some country artists to

439
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: because I liked country music. But people were like, you're

440
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: too country to be pop or hip hop, even though

441
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: I did sign a one song record deal as a

442
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: hip hop artist. True story.

443
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 2: Is it out there on the net?

444
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 1: Probably somewhere. It's on the internet. Yeah, it's not on Spotify,

445
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 1: thank god. However, when I got country, it was a

446
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: year two pop to be country. So I never really

447
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: had a home, yeah, meaning a place that I just

448
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: felt welcomed. It almost is where I fall when it

449
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 1: comes to politics, because I don't say I'm down the middle,

450
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 1: but I think if you averaged me out, I'm probably

451
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: pretty close on average because I definitely have you know,

452
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: big capitalists, but I'm like a progressive, capitalist, and there

453
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: are sensibilities I have from going up and growing up

454
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: in the South with guns and then but also it's

455
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 1: like gay people, let them have kids, that's awesome, let

456
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Speaker 1: them get married, rock and roll. So when you like

457
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: equal these things out, it's kind of ish And I'm

458
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Speaker 1: not in the middle. Yeah, but I don't have a home.

459
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah totally.

460
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: But what I've found is most people don't have a home.

461
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: But there's not like a central I don't have a

462
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 1: home horn to blow.

463
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I think I agree that most people

464
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: are there. And I think too a lot of like

465
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Speaker 2: what the genres that have infrastructure do well is they

466
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: kind of like have an offering for people, where like

467
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 2: if you can be I think country does this incredibly well.

468
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 2: People are like I'm a country music fan, and it's like, great,

469
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: we got a bunch of stuff in the country music store,

470
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: and I think like same for Christian Americana, et cetera.

471
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: Wrap whatever. But I think what's interesting right now is

472
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: pop is I feel like it's it's it's it's a

473
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: little bit more random store wise. In fact, there's not

474
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Speaker 2: a lot of.

475
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Speaker 1: Like uh now, Sean it goes viral totally I mean,

476
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: that's that's what pop is now, viral and and.

477
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Speaker 2: I think realistically that's that is a part of that

478
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: is a part of it. When you're like, oh, why

479
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: don't you think you could Winnegramy, It's just like I think,

480
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: like the things that I do well don't necessarily line

481
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: up with virality, because I feel like if you were

482
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: if you were like, describe your music's your music thematically,

483
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: like lyrically, I'd be like, oh, it's not like sexy

484
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: exciting themes. It's like find peace in your life. Good

485
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: things are like hard, they take a long time, celebrate

486
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: the nuances of life, like you know. That's I feel

487
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: like I'm not saying it couldn't go viral, but I

488
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: just feel like that's not necessarily it's not like a

489
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: not a dessert, you know what I mean.

490
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: I have two points I want to make. I don't

491
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: want to forget the second one, so make a note.

492
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 1: But the first one would be you have a lot

493
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: of stuff go at least semi viral. That's not even

494
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: songs that you record for someone listening to your music.

495
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: Meaning when you do American airlines, we might crash and

496
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: you might die because the door just blew off whatever

497
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: that's that's that's not the lyrics. Sure, but that stuff

498
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: hits hard.

499
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, So to say that.

500
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: Your stuff doesn't go viral maybe specific songs, but I

501
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: think you're a smart enough guy. If you were just

502
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna produce a freaking crazy viral record, no doubt.

503
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: You could do that. Maybe.

504
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, how when you put out Color My World

505
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: the video, Yeah, I have not, I haven't tracked your

506
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: data on that. How has that done? Because esthetically, like

507
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: I have, like it's it's like dopamine hit after dopamine hit.

508
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: It's really interesting. I think that that. I think the

509
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: video's really good. I think even that it did like okay,

510
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't like WHOA like blew the doors off. But

511
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: I think that's what I'm saying. I think the kind

512
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: of thing, the kind of thing that is going viral

513
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: right now for real, if it's a song, it feels

514
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: a lot more unpredictable to me. I'm like, I don't know,

515
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who's been able to game that system.

516
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: It's usually like retroction, like whoa, this thing worked. So yeah,

517
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: I and I think the real point to your point

518
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 2: about like, oh, you've had stuff co kind of viral. Yeah,

519
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 2: but the hard part is like it's not really songs

520
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: or music. It's like it's like an entertainment product. And

521
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: if you told me right now the whole game was

522
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: gained as many followers as you could. I know what

523
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: I would do, but that doesn't flip over into changing

524
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: my music or like my art really, and I don't

525
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: know if I want to be an influencer professional, you

526
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

527
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Speaker 1: Man, I got like two points to bounce off that,

528
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: but I want to fig up my freaking out.

529
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: I can't.

530
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: Sorry, I now forgot my other one, and I even

531
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: made a mental note not to forget it.

532
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: You know.

533
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: With that point, I feel like you're saying you don't

534
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: want to create your art, and you're separating the two

535
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: a bit. I got my point before I get to

536
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: this one. Okay, I got four points. I'm lost, but

537
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: I got this one. And you and I have talked

538
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: about this away from a microphone where and I brought

539
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: up a Grammy and again I'll just compare it to me.

540
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Then you can jump in and say I'm stupid or

541
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: not stupid. But I always thought I'm going to be

542
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: a big pop culture expert on mainstream radio whatever that meant.

543
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: And I'm going to be so cool being mainstream and

544
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: know everything that everybody's going to have me, which was

545
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: an any TV show would want me. I'd be an expert.

546
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: What I found was that the more I tried to

547
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: be everything to every one and not saying you're doing this,

548
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: and I'll get to my point, that nobody cared totally.

549
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: So here I am. I'd built my own show with

550
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: my own money. I got thirty markets tech. Nobody cared

551
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: because there were just people that were doing specifically what

552
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: I was doing, way better than what I was doing.

553
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: But when I was like, hey, let's go to Nashville,

554
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: there's never been a national show. My contract was up,

555
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: they had bought my syndication company from me. When I

556
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: move here, and all of a sudden, I had propelled

557
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: to the top of this area. All those people that

558
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to me when I was like,

559
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: I'm mainstream, all the people in the mainstream were like, oh,

560
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: we want to talk to the guy that's the expert.

561
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: But then so I met them, and then that allowed

562
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: me to like expand to where I would compare this

563
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: to I think this is how your grammy happens, if

564
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: you'd like to know.

565
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: Of them all yours.

566
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: I thought about this, okay, and I was saving it

567
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: for on Mike in case it was just sick, in

568
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: case it was so stupid. I think your grammy happens

569
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: not through here's a record and here's a great song.

570
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: I think your grammy happens through I made a great

571
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: song ento the a movie commercial, uh chair, whomever uses

572
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: it from that. Charlie Pooth, for example, when he did

573
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: No Mike was a song, furious song.

574
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, how's it start? It's piano.

575
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: It's been a lot less see you again. Yeah, that

576
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: was a good song, great song. We wouldn't have known

577
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: it for what it was it not took a ride

578
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: with the movie.

579
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: Pun intended absolutely.

580
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: I think that is where your art meets that reward.

581
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: Because warm alternative only cages so far.

582
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh warm alternative fans love it. Yeah, But in the

583
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 2: in the in the big bad world, people are like, well.

584
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean your music isn't amazing, But like

585
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: you said, there's only nothing like it, but there's everything

586
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: kind of like it. Yeah, but when it attaches to

587
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: something that people freaking love, that personal connection happens to

588
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: which song of the year.

589
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: I think that if I were like.

590
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: Our gun to head house been gonna get some stupid

591
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: acolade that doesn't matter, although it does. But really the

592
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: grand scheme, that would be how it happens if they

593
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: were to go college commercial where they're flying over campus

594
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: and playing a song that would be your song. But

595
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: I think that's how it happens for you in the

596
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: same way that it got to happen for me in

597
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: a different scale. It's like I found a new walking

598
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: partner I felt comfortable with, but didn't change anything that

599
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: I did.

600
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, And I think I think that that is true.

601
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: I don't think I would ever. I think everyone right

602
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: now it feels like they're kind of like chasing stuff.

603
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: And I don't know that I've ever made a great

604
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: thing from chasing something else.

605
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to chase.

606
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think I would. I

607
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: think it would. I would want to make something that

608
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: is uniquely continue it makes stuff that's like unique to

609
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: me and see kind of what can happen out in

610
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: the world. And I think that I do agree. I

611
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: think that's probably the best scenario for something like.

612
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: That, But that's what happens. That's what happens. Something sees

613
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: and feels what you're doing. Oh god, it is awesome. Boom,

614
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, you're the sweetheart of the Grammies

615
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: for a year, then they're ready forgets again, and then

616
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: you're like, dang, why did I put so much emphasis

617
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: on a Grammy Because I'm the same freaking person.

618
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: Right now and I think that. But honestly, that's that

619
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: is part of it for me at this point. So

620
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: many things have happened that I was like, oh, this

621
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: is never going to happen. That it happens. That the

622
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: real thing, more than any specific goal, is being like,

623
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: oh wait, I see how this is always going to

624
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: be because if you've showed me my life to me,

625
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: you know whatever, many years ago, fifteen years ago, be

626
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 2: like this is unbelievable. Just like you kind of get

627
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: numb to that stuff. And so that's part of me

628
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: is just like yeah, I don't I don't want to.

629
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to. I know I wouldn't

630
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: chase it, but I don't want to like actually try

631
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: to be like, well, I know, then this will feel

632
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: different it's like, no, it's just always gonna feel like this,

633
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: that's what it's gonna feel like.

634
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: And that's okay, Yeah, I feel that too, But then

635
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: I get a little excited sometimes.

636
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: And I don't. I don't. I think that the proper

637
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: like heart posture for me and maybe for everybody is

638
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 2: like it's like, enjoy the fun stuff like it's and

639
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: when I get to do a fun, cool thing, and

640
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like, well, this doesn't matter,

641
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: It's like, no, it's awesome, But I don't think that

642
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: it's necessarily gonna be like ideal going forward to be

643
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: to use as fuel. I'm not gonna be happy until

644
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: I get over this next mountain, because it's like, well, dude,

645
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: we're like fifteen mountains deep here and I'm feeling like

646
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: pretty much the same Hank Tight The Bobby Cast will

647
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: be right back.

648
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Speaker 3: Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

649
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Speaker 1: These shows that you're doing with the orchestra, how many.

650
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: People between twenty five and thirty five hundred.

651
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: No, in the band. That's a big band, the orchestra.

652
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: If you get twenty hundred people in.

653
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: Orchestra, it's twenty five on first orchestra Colley, I don't

654
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: actually know. It's a little mister Beast type stuff. I bet,

655
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: I bet, I mean, honestly, I bet everybody on stage

656
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: it might be like seventy people.

657
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Can you hear if somebody's I don't know how many

658
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: horns you have? Okay, if there's you say you have

659
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: three horns and one of them is a goblet horn,

660
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: big horn.

661
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: Guy hereail nail, and both of it.

662
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: If one of the horns a little off, can hear it?

663
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: It's Cody can hear that a little better than I can.

664
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: It's easier for me to hear it when I'm listening

665
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm not playing. So the way they work because you

666
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: fly in and then you the day of the first show,

667
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: you do rehearsal with the orchestra and so there's a

668
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: lot of moving parts there. You're like, I need to

669
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: remember my stuff and do this correctly, and so on

670
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: the first run through. If something is bad wrong, if

671
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: someone hits a like wrong note, I can.

672
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: Hear that tempo though somebody a little tempo off or

673
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: is that never the case? No?

674
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: So that's the deal. It's it's that's part of what's

675
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: fun about it is most people, myself included for full

676
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: band shows are playing to a click, so everyone is

677
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: like supposed to be dialed in. This is we don't

678
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: have any your monitors at all. We have wedges on

679
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: the floor and we can hear the orchestra just it's

680
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: in the room. Develops you, which is cool, but it's

681
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: also like the difference in like running a jet ski

682
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: around and driving like a huge boat. It's like steering.

683
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't know seventy or eighty people. I think it's

684
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: that many people, maybe more. It's it's not like you're

685
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: not like totally dial it's kind of like inferred. We're like,

686
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: we're kind of about right here. So tempo is actually

687
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: a huge challenge because we don't we don't bring a

688
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: drummer with us. It's just me and Cody in the orchestra.

689
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: Do you have to kind of let go of any

690
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: sort of critique of current while you're doing it?

691
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: It's you. It is fun because you're kind of reacting.

692
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: It's like a real time like, oh, like we're going

693
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: this direction. It's a little slower than I thought. We

694
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: need to try to speed it up. Whereas a normal

695
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: full band show everyone's aiming for like perfection it's like

696
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: you're a part of a living organism and you can't

697
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: just be like we're going here. It's like, oh, you

698
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: can like shift a little bit, but it's not gonna

699
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: You're not going to like change it totally.

700
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: If you were going to do a podcast, what would

701
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: you do it on?

702
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: I already know the answer to this, and I actually

703
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: want to do it with the problem is it's too short.

704
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: I want to do a podcast called what What do

705
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: You Eat for Breakfast? And the pitch is I did

706
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: this maybe three years ago, maybe four. I had a

707
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: birthday dinner and we went in on the table everyone's

708
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: breakfast routines, and I know all the people, they're well,

709
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: and what was really interesting was you Actually it's like

710
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: you don't doctor that up for anybody. Like the clothes

711
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 2: you wear are all for public consumption kind of it's like, well,

712
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: this is what I want you to see my whatever

713
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: the boots are called, and be like, oh those boots.

714
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: Whatever you do breakfast when no one's watching, And so

715
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: all of your idiosyncrasies come out and it's like really

716
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: quirky and funny. It says a lot about the person.

717
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: And so if you really dive deep and like if

718
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: right now is like, what are you eat for breakfast?

719
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: Do it with me?

720
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: Ok great? Uh, welcome to What do you Eat for Breakfast?

721
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for the first episode.

722
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan.

723
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: Oh big fan of you too. So we're gonna go

724
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: through your morning routine. What do you eat for breakfast?

725
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: Step by step?

726
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: So I wake up very early?

727
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: Okay? What time?

728
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Three thirty?

729
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: Alarm? I have one? I never get to it. Do

730
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: you have one set? Or two? Set?

731
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: Two? And then a third like an hour later? In

732
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: case I don't know, I die?

733
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: What's the last time you slept until you're alarm?

734
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer.

735
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: Okay, the interesting data so far, alarm doesn't hit you

736
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: wake up at three thirty, it's correct.

737
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: Probably like three twenty seven, three twenty six alarm never hits.

738
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: Okay, great, and you you get out of bed fast

739
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: forward me to where you're gonna eat something or drink something?

740
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: Okay?

741
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: What is that?

742
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Almost immediately I walk out the dogs. But then while

743
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing that, I'm planning my meal. There's always a

744
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: couple options. And what I had some overnight oats. I'm

745
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: trying to lose like twenty pounds in three weeks.

746
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: What kind of overnight oats? Oats overnight.

747
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: Over the night they oded? Oh yeah, I don't know.

748
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: There's just in a jar.

749
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: My wife made them, okay, Yeah, so she'll make like

750
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: four or five things of overnight oats and she'll put

751
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: like some little berries in it. So but for me,

752
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: it's about efficiency. Yeah, And if they're not there, I

753
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: will just grab what I can eat quickly so I

754
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: can get started. But I had overnight oats this morning

755
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: with a little bit of berry on it, and then

756
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: I can I have two beef sticks just for protein.

757
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: They'd always match to take the palette. But I'll protein

758
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: before I leave the house too.

759
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: How many how many work days are you eating overnight oats?

760
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: Is it every day?

761
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah? Five?

762
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: Okay? And a beef stick every day also or just

763
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: any protein option.

764
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: Beef sticks are the easiest way for me to remember

765
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: to do it, Okay, So yes, I will say beef

766
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: sticks because more times than not, unless i'm out, if

767
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: I'm out of everything, I'll eat cereal like three wishes

768
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: cereal with low sugar. But mostly it's over and I oh,

769
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: it's some beef sticks.

770
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: High efficiency. And so how long you said it's your

771
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: feeding the dogs. Do you drink anything with this? I

772
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: make a.

773
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Juice kind of thing with coconut water and then a

774
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: little bit of pineapple juice and a little bit of lime,

775
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: and then I put in my ag because I feel

776
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: like I don't get enough greens.

777
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: I want to try those actually.

778
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: So they don't taste good. But if you cover them

779
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: up with what I'm doing and putting in multi juices

780
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: like a twelve year old.

781
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: Is it in a blender? No?

782
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: I put it in a jar and shake it.

783
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: What kind of jar?

784
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: It's a mason jar. We have like fifteen of them

785
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: that rotate.

786
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: And is it the two piece top three piece? Yeah?

787
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: Top top, top is two pieces, but yeah, three pieces

788
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: of total that little flat things out of it. Yeah,

789
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: so so you you put that in then you shake

790
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: it up ice, no ice. That stuff's in the fridge.

791
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Coconut water, probably three quarters. I don't know whatever's in there.

792
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: You really don't know. Do you not pick it out? No?

793
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes just order it like on Uber Eats if I'm out,

794
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: otherwise my wife will grab it.

795
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: No preference if you if you no pulp, but yeah,

796
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: no preference. You wouldn't notice. What if I if I

797
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 2: switched it out. No, okay, coconut water, pineapple? What else?

798
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: Uh? Lime?

799
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: Lime?

800
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: Yes, that fills up?

801
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: Are you do you have a lime juice or juice? Yeah,

802
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: not lime.

803
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: They make lime juice, but lime juice.

804
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: Like the one that looks like a lime you unscrew

805
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: the top.

806
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: No, that's old cool grandma stuff.

807
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's what I thought. This it's in it.

808
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: This isn't a big jar as well?

809
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 2: A big jar? Like, have you purchased it? I don't

810
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: go to the store, so I'm just saying, has some

811
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: has someone made the juice?

812
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's but it's bought lime juice in

813
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: a jar? Like yeah, I like, I don't know what's this?

814
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: Eight inches?

815
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

816
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, that's fine. Not that's a hopefully as morning

817
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, hopefully it's like ten.

818
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: But yeah I was.

819
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, that's that's it, okay, And then

820
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: I had that for breakfast, and again I ate one

821
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: beef stick before I one beef stick in the car,

822
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: and that's breakfast.

823
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: Total total amount of time from you grabbing the overnight

824
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 2: oats to being done consuming food.

825
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't time doesn't factor in because it's easy to do.

826
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: If you need a guess, seven minutes while I'm working.

827
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 2: Seven minutes while you're working, what time is that? Four am?

828
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: For four four fifteen?

829
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you eat on the weekend?

830
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: My wife and I will go I have like you

831
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: nice breakfasts. Yeah, and we'll go and have like a

832
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: brunch type thing where I think my typical now is

833
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: potatoes and one scrambled egg and two pieces of beef

834
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: down at this place called Urban Market.

835
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: So per you just told me about Urban Market.

836
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, that's that's Caitlin's favorite place to go. So

837
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: that clean. Otherwise, if I don't keep it so regimented,

838
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: I will eat all sugar. Ill eat cookies for breakfast.

839
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: So I can't because I will eat all cookies. I

840
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: will eat ten bowls. I was telling Kevin Kluge, our trainer,

841
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: even if I'm eating low sugar, I'll eat twenty bowls

842
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: of cereal a week if I if I just start

843
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: having cereal.

844
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: If you don't like pre make those decisions. If so,

845
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: so a day that you go, there's no overnight otes,

846
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: there's no anything, I.

847
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: Go a hand, then then what it is it? It's

848
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: whatever I get my hands on. And if it's really good.

849
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop eating it really because I have

850
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: no self I have control on what I expose myself to,

851
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: but once I'm exposed to have a lot of I

852
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: have a very much lack of self control.

853
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm similar. I feel like I can be pretty disciplined

854
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: and then if it's like oops, then it's.

855
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: Like and keeps sugar out of the house. But if

856
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: it comes for a visit, it just gets eaten.

857
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no overnight notes. How many bowls of cereal

858
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: do you think you.

859
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: Would eat in the morning?

860
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Four? Wow, real milk.

861
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: I would eat the whole box. No, I aw milk,

862
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: no two percent milk. I eat the whole box in

863
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: one sitting. Every time new box gum, I eat the

864
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: whole pack. Really, yeah, I eat the whole box.

865
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: So it's like, you got to get those systems in

866
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: place and then you're good that if they're not in place, tough.

867
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: To absolutely And that's but that's breakfast to me. Is

868
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: like life too, m M. I got to have those

869
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: systems and if I'm doing it, I can rocket. But

870
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: if I'm not and I'm just kind of floating around,

871
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: I float hard. The current gets you, Yeah, so what's

872
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: my breakfast?

873
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: Say?

874
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm gonna get my fortune ready, but with my break.

875
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: Well the first episode, so I don't, I'm not. I

876
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: don't have it. I don't have a dialt yet. I

877
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: think what's interesting though, I think it's I feel like

878
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: every time I've talked to somebody about this, it is

879
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: like an interesting window into them in some way because

880
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: you're not you haven't since there's not an audience for that.

881
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: You're just like I'm doing my thing with no regard

882
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: for like what anyone would think about this, And I

883
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: think it's really interesting. I have a lot of similarities

884
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: to that. But as far as being like because from

885
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: what I know of you, I'm like, oh, dude, you're

886
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: like so with it, so like you're like dialed and

887
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: it is funny to be like, oh, the systems help you.

888
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: But as soon as like there's not systems and you're

889
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: just like free, it's like, ooh, this is this is

890
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: like maybe not going to go great. Also fascinating about

891
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: the alarms, man, I mean that you haven't needed an

892
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: alarm in a long time for that early is really something.

893
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I hate it because I wake up six times a

894
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: night and I got a SEPAP because I do have

895
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: sleep apnea a bit, and that was part of it.

896
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: But now I'm sleeping with a machine, I still wake up,

897
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: so like, oh god, am I. It's just it's anxiety, right,

898
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't have general life anxiety. I don't feel like

899
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: I have it in the daytime. Mmm. I think I

900
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: know people that do have it and they live with

901
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: it physically. Yeah, I don't, and partially probably because I

902
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: keep it going, keep everything going, so I don't have

903
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: time to sit with it. Yeah, And so when I

904
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: do sit with it is maybe when I go to sleep.

905
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: That's kind of when it manifests itself. And also I

906
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: can't be late to work. Yeah, I'm like to work things.

907
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: Ratings go down, revenue goes down. Then I get fired.

908
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: Then I'm back to where I started, back at home.

909
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: Like that's where my mind goes. And that is not rational,

910
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: It's really not. But you're not a rational person either. No,

911
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: in some way, in certain areas, I very much am so,

912
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: but not when it comes to that.

913
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: It's really also seven minutes pretty quick.

914
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: But what am I gonna do?

915
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: I don't know other other people. Some people are like

916
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: a saver of the morning.

917
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's no saving.

918
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

919
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: If there's time in the day, that's time for me

920
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: to get something done.

921
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

922
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: That's why I feel so lazy when it's like relax. Oh,

923
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: it's the worst.

924
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: I just think, how much have we learned about you

925
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: just in this little in this little routine A lot.

926
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on the show.

927
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: I really appreciate going on the first episode. Man, this

928
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: has been great.

929
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: It's a big honor to be here. So that's a

930
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: good podcast though, because that's really not about breakfast.

931
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: And the thing is I think I think you could

932
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: the episodes would be pretty short, but I feel like

933
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: everything that every time someone does like a podcast tour,

934
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: you get some little pieces of the real them, but

935
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: on some level, like they're always and the questions they're

936
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: getting are mostly about things they've put out there about

937
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: themselves and how much would you love to know, Like

938
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan, like, let me just ask you every

939
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: you eat for breakfast, because you know he's gonna people

940
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: are so funny in particular'd when you're like two beef

941
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: sticks and I feel like it's I also want to

942
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 2: know what the like no brands thing is because I

943
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: feel like I would be like, oh dude, I got

944
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: it's got to be whatever, because I get shirts total.

945
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean perc Yeah, where it's like this one doesn't

946
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: feel so good on my skin hundred percent. Mine's not

947
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: about brands as long as it does the job.

948
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: It's I think honestly that that is a that is

949
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: interesting to me because you are so specific, but also

950
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: it's almost like in service of a greater utilitarian goal

951
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: because you're like, yeah, I don't know, like coconut water,

952
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: where I'd be like, oh dude, I tried like six

953
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: of them. I really like that one. That's it. I

954
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: feel like you're like, it's coconut waterman, whatever.

955
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: As long as I get from it what I'm looking for.

956
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: I guess if it's bad and I get sick on

957
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: it or I don't like I really hate the taste,

958
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: but really it's there to do a job.

959
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but I feel like you are you are.

960
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I think that says a lot to me

961
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: about like how you operate, because I feel like you're

962
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: not a guy who's super like I don't know, man,

963
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: what have like you like? I feel like you are

964
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: specific and you are driven in certain ways. And it's

965
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: it's cool and interesting to me that you're like but

966
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: that I don't care. It's whatever.

967
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: But I would say it has to be coconut water.

968
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: It has to be lying, but it has.

969
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: To be dude, some people, some people are getting so

970
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: so in the weeds on on random stuff that's just

971
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: interesting me.

972
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

973
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: Bobby Cast.

974
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: Well, this was, this has been Thanks for having me

975
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: on a show. Can you come back on my show

976
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: for a minute. Well, I guess like, okay, cool, cool, cool.

977
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: How many of these theaters are they all in theaters that.

978
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: It's usually there's usually like a sometimes it's just a theater,

979
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: but a lot of times it's like a place that's

980
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: been built for the orchestra or symphony. I don't really

981
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: know those terms interchangeably.

982
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: With Cody in your band at one point.

983
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we played together for a long time and he

984
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: he'd always like done artists stuff, And as happens with

985
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: anyone who's like truly uniquely gifted, I feel like after

986
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: a while it's like, oh, dude, you got to go

987
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: do your own thing, because like you're too good to

988
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: be doing this. But yeah, he started doing more artist

989
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: stuff and then had great success with one of his

990
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: songs on TikTok that he had released. It was like

991
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: a song that had been out for I don't know

992
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: how long, and it kind of like went crazy on

993
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: Anime TikTok and then.

994
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: It blew up and so Anime TikTok I think so.

995
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: I think it was maybe maybe a specific version of

996
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: Anime TikTok. I don't know remember which one, but like

997
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: that was the sort of like silo that it bounced

998
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: around a bunch. But he's also lean more into doing

999
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: specifically orchestral stuff, which I think was a great call

1000
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: for him because he's uniquely gifted at that.

1001
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: I had a song with Haley Whitters come Together.

1002
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: Basically Dan, and she asked me to go on tour.

1003
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: I said yes because I was so stoked to get

1004
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: to do support. I haven't gotten to do support in

1005
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: like ten years because of the genre lists we talked

1006
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: about earlier, so I was stoked. I was just like

1007
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: pumped to get to be in front of new people

1008
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: and get to do something interesting without a lot of pressure.

1009
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: And they told me that Haley was gonna be first

1010
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: of three, and I was legitimately stoked. Hillary and I

1011
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: both really love her music, and I feel like everybody

1012
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: does that. They're like, I was such a fan, it's

1013
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: like really where I know her? One of her managers, Well,

1014
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: I've like followed her career. I really like it. And

1015
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: so I was in kind of a season where my

1016
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: game within a game was like I want to do

1017
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: stuff that sounds fun to me, that's like engaging, and

1018
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: what sounds fun to me. What sounded fun to me

1019
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: was to write a song, try to write a song

1020
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 2: that she would want to sing with me on the tour,

1021
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: just because I was like, it'd be fun to get

1022
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: to do that. I think she's talented and fun and

1023
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: that would be just like a fun memory for me.

1024
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: So I wrote it was one of those weird songs

1025
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: that came out like so fast. It was just like

1026
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: lo and then so I wrote it with the guy

1027
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: in my band, Austin, and we finished it with a

1028
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: guy named Brett who had written for her before, and

1029
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: we're all freaking out about it. We're like, this is

1030
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: so good. And she weirdly came into Austin's publisher the

1031
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: next day and they played her the song and didn't

1032
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: tell me they're going to Austin was like, I hope

1033
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: that's okay. I was like, what did she like it?

1034
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: I hope. I was like, I don't know, I don't,

1035
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: but she really liked it and everyone was stoked. But

1036
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: that was it.

1037
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: You play a banjo in it, a ganjo, whatever you

1038
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: want to call that. For the sake of anybody else,

1039
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: that's a banjo unless you're.

1040
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 2: In the weeds. Yes, it's it's like you're playing you don't. Don't.

1041
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: It'saut yourself.

1042
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: Don't.

1043
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you do the thing.

1044
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: I think.

1045
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Okay, great, So you're playing this band,

1046
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: it sounds like a banjo. You're playing a banjo. Did

1047
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 1: any part of you go I don't think I should

1048
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: play a banjo because people will think that I'm pandering.

1049
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 2: Actually, I never I was more worried when the song

1050
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: started to get like stuff was happening and people were like,

1051
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: are you doing this? I was like, I mean, I'm

1052
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: not like gonna say no to this, but I I

1053
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: wanted to express where the song came from. Mostly, so

1054
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: the banjo part, to me, I feel like, I'm totally

1055
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: for like being in service of the song totally and

1056
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: that's what it needed, like it wouldn't have been as

1057
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: good with a guitar, And in a weird way, I

1058
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: feel like banjo on that song feels more like something

1059
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: that I would do, where it's almost feels more like

1060
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: to me. When I wrote it, it was felt like a

1061
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: Muppets bluegrass song. It's like Sesame Street. And that is

1062
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 2: where I was like, Oh, this is something that even

1063
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 2: if Hailey had been like I don't like the song

1064
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: at all, I would have done the song as it

1065
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: was just without her, because that part of it, that's

1066
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: the kind of like, yeah, it feels like classic American music,

1067
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: and it definitely I get that it feels like country also,

1068
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: but I feel like if I turned on Sesame Street

1069
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: and I saw that song, I would be like yes,

1070
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: and I think it would be worse it was an

1071
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar. I'd be like, oh, is this like hither Delilah.

1072
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: It's like, no, this is like an interesting kind of

1073
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: like folky. It's just like a feels like a Hailey's husbands,

1074
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: like feels like it's like a standard, like you're covering

1075
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: a song. I was like, yeah, that's what it feels

1076
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: like to me.

1077
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like pandering at all, but just knowing

1078
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: how your mind works. I didn't know if you had

1079
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: been like, this is perfect and then you record like,

1080
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: oh god, it feels.

1081
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: Like it could be. I think because I have like

1082
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: a streak of like wanting to do things for the

1083
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: right reason. Because I knew where I was coming from

1084
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: with it, I didn't feel weird about that at all.

1085
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been like because I it was natural,

1086
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: and if someone would be like, doesn't seem naturally, be like, well,

1087
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: it was. I don't have to tell you.

1088
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: You know, how has it been going with that song?

1089
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: And it's life in country? I just know from my side,

1090
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: I've been playing its much. I liked the song, and

1091
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: then I saw Anya post that she was playing it.

1092
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: Who's a good friend of Mine's here, so I has

1093
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: it organically just kind of started to get legs.

1094
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: I think what's been interesting to me is it was

1095
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: received a lot better than I thought it would be

1096
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: as far as like either industry or on DSPs or whatever.

1097
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: And I think some of that really is what we

1098
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier with like Grammy or whatever stuff.

1099
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: I think that there ended up being a bunch of

1100
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: people at Spotify or at Amazon or YouTube or whatever

1101
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: you I don't know, Anya, but people like that. I

1102
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: feel like there was some general goodwill where it was like, oh, dude,

1103
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: like this is actually really good and it was met

1104
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: with more like open arms than I thought it would be.

1105
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: And I wasn't like, this has got to like crush

1106
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: and do incredible, but I was surprised at how well

1107
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: it was received. I think there was just a number

1108
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: of people that were like, at like DSPs specifically because

1109
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm not like going to be on like a pop

1110
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: pop playlist. I feel like a lot of people are like, oh,

1111
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: like I can help you with this, this is good

1112
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: and I like your music. So there's more of that

1113
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: than I thought there would be. I don't in twenty

1114
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: twenty four, I don't honestly have a great metric for like,

1115
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: is it crushing. It seems like it's doing pretty good,

1116
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: better than I thought it would do, for sure. I

1117
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: don't know.

1118
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: Part of that too, is that you weren't going I'm

1119
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: a country artist now it's a second right, and I'll

1120
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 1: include myself in this mix of when people come out

1121
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: and they got I'm now a country You're like, ah,

1122
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: prove it. But if they don't and they're like, I

1123
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: made this song and it is what you think it is,

1124
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: We're like, that's.

1125
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: Pretty freaking country.

1126
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: That's cool because you're not like imposing it right.

1127
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: Well, honestly what you said. With the banjo thing, I

1128
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: felt more like that there were weirdly a bunch of

1129
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: things that came together at the same time. I felt

1130
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: more like Terry Clark is doing like a I forget

1131
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: what it's called. It's like a record of her hits

1132
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: that are all like done with other people. I did

1133
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: that with her at this point. It may may have

1134
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: been like eighteen months ago, and then before the Hailey

1135
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: thing was like for sure, for sure, like this is

1136
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: gonna happen. I wanted to release a song before the

1137
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: Dan and Shade tour, and the only song we had

1138
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 2: that was like done and good from the acoustic tour

1139
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: was the cover of Great Day to Be Live. And

1140
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: it felt like several things came together, like really tight.

1141
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: And I felt a little bit like that, even just

1142
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: to my fans, where people are like are you and

1143
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to be like I'm not. This stuff just

1144
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: kind of like came together. I felt more like that

1145
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: about that because I didn't think it would all come

1146
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: at the same time like that.

1147
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how you accidentally want a Grammy too, honestly,

1148
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It's not even about the Grammy.

1149
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: The Grammy can mean anything, sure, But we'll have a

1150
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: few minutes left. But I got a couple other things.

1151
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Would you mind sharing your I don't even want to

1152
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: spoil who it's about, but I'm gonna let you tell

1153
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: the story about how you went to a certain thing

1154
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: and your hero was there and you end up hanging

1155
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: out with a hero all day? Is he like chased

1156
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: your a followity?

1157
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: Oh can you just.

1158
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: Tell that story just from the beginning, But yes, yes,

1159
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1160
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: Uh, this was this is maybe like the coolest thing

1161
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: ever for me personally. I got to go play at

1162
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: the AT and T pro am, which is like the

1163
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: holy Grail of all golf things if you're not a

1164
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: professional golfer.

1165
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: At Pebble Beach.

1166
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: At Pebble Beach, yes, it's like on television all that stuff,

1167
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: And so I initially was going out there. They were like, hey,

1168
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: could you come do some music because they have like

1169
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: parties every night, and they were like, we'd love to

1170
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 2: have you be in the celebrity hole in one, which

1171
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 2: is like all the celebrities in the tournament. Jim Nantz

1172
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: announces it and you all hit like one shot closest

1173
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: to pin. It's like a miniature tournament. You knew that

1174
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: you can play in all the practice rounds, you know.

1175
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: It felt like that was like a good way for

1176
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 2: me to like sort of get to know the people

1177
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: that run the tournament. And I was like, well, yeah,

1178
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: I'll go out and play pebble and NPCC which is minor,

1179
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: and Peninsula Country Club it's awesoin course, and I'll do

1180
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: the celebrity hole in one and maybe they'll think I'm

1181
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: a good guy and decent golfer and we'll have you back.

1182
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 2: They were like, if anyone drops out of the tournament,

1183
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 2: you can be the tournament. And I was like totally.

1184
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: And I'm not great at like not great at networking

1185
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: or any that kind of stuff, but I was like,

1186
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: I really like this stuff and if nothing ever happened,

1187
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 2: that just be cool and fun. So I get out there.

1188
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: I play the concert. It was for the tournament committee,

1189
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: I guess I don't really remember, and they were like, hey,

1190
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 2: we think he have a spot in the tournament, of course,

1191
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm over the moon. And one of my very favorite artists,

1192
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: Hugh Lewis. My dad listened to him a lot growing up,

1193
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: and I thought it was like dorky dad music, and

1194
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: then I realized after I grew up, I was like,

1195
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: this is actually like some of the sickest music ever.

1196
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: And so Hugh Lewis was going to come back and

1197
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: do one last at and T and he hurt his

1198
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: shoulder and they were like, you're going to replace Hugh Lewis,

1199
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that's incredible. That's wild to

1200
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: feel bad that he's hurt. He's like, but he was

1201
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: going to walk with your group? Is that cool? And

1202
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like time out. What? So basically,

1203
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm playing in the coolest golf thing in the world.

1204
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 2: It really is. There's not a cooler amateur golf event.

1205
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 2: And it's basically me and Huey Lewis. Steve Young was

1206
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: the other celebrity. I'm not putting myself in the same

1207
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 2: category as Hugh Listen Steve Young, but you know you

1208
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: I do, I now do. I didn't. Then he's honestly

1209
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: the nicest person. Okay, yeah, Huey Lewis is walking around

1210
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: and he's him and Peter Jacobson, who is his pro partner,

1211
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: who's a golf announcer now, was like a dominant golfer

1212
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 2: in his day. They came back to do the tournament

1213
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: one last time together. Peter Jacob's caddy was fluff legendary caddy.

1214
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable and so basically my week was I

1215
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: would hit a shot and then walk down the fairway

1216
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: with Hughey and just kick it. I mean we hung

1217
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 2: out all day. He came to every round and I

1218
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: tried so not to geek out. Some of his band came,

1219
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: I got to meet them. I did a project. Yes,

1220
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: some of the news several anchors, but it did. It

1221
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: was incredible, and he was a gentleman and he was

1222
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: like he was like my older brother. He was like, oh,

1223
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 2: let me let me help you out with this at

1224
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: this tournament, or like here's the deal. It was the best, man.

1225
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: It was, honestly, I was like on cloud nine. It

1226
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: was the best.

1227
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: One year later, smash Cut, I was presented with the

1228
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: same situation that you were presented. Come out, come on.

1229
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: We can't promise you spot, but come play the practice rounds,

1230
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: come do the deal, And so I go out and

1231
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: somebody does get hurt and I'm invited to play, but

1232
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: I got a call from the Grammy's going, hey, can

1233
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: you cover the grand? So I'm like, oh, what do

1234
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: I do in the weather was really bad that year. Yeah,

1235
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna I played the practice rounds.

1236
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Everybody's super cool. And I really only

1237
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: did it mostly because of your advice. You were like,

1238
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: even if you don't get to play, it's worth it.

1239
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: I did not.

1240
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: I didn't fully understand, but I understood that you wouldn't

1241
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: put me in a place where mine roses get the

1242
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: best of me, thinking I'm not good enough because you

1243
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: don't feel And I got out there and I definitely

1244
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: didn't feel that. And so well, I remember standing on

1245
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: a practice screen and my eyes are just wide open

1246
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of really like cool to me celebrities.

1247
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: It's a great collection of those people where it's like, wow,

1248
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: can't believe that.

1249
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played a part three, whole round of a

1250
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: part three with Ray Romano. Thought he was hilarious, totally

1251
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: Josh du Mal super nice guy. But I remember, yeah,

1252
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: and like, great but still got it.

1253
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got it.

1254
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing Steve Young on the practice screen

1255
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: and he was standing with like four other people and

1256
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: he kind of was holding court because everybody's like, that's

1257
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: breaking Steve Young, and so I'm like, I just want

1258
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: to get over and say hi, that's all. So I

1259
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: just kind of waddled over and got in the group,

1260
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't even know what they're saying,

1261
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: but they're like, oh, Steve, that's a good So they broke.

1262
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: They broke the group, and I say, hey. I was like,

1263
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: mister Young, but I didn't know what to what are

1264
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: you called Steve Young?

1265
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: I think it's fair. I think it's incorrect.

1266
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP, super Bowl Court Champion.

1267
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: Yes.

1268
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'm Bobby, really nice to meet you,

1269
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: and he said, oh you're Bobby Bones. He said listen

1270
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: to your show all the time. And now I'm like,

1271
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: oh my.

1272
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: God, wow.

1273
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, does he just has he heard

1274
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: the name?

1275
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: And that's all I.

1276
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: Well, I'm foed to follow up with this story. Okay,

1277
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: so there's a funny, funny ending, but he's so nice

1278
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: to me that I think, who cares? I had a

1279
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: really great one time experience with Steve Young that I'll

1280
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: never get to have again. I'll never see him again,

1281
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: but that's awesome because I'll hold on to how cool

1282
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: that experience was.

1283
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 2: And he is actually the nice.

1284
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: My one of one. He was super nice and you

1285
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: say it too, I believe it. So this morning on

1286
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: my show was talking about top five people that I've

1287
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: ever met and been star struck by. But I also

1288
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: admit that comes with the caveatum. I'm jaded. Sure, I

1289
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: get to meet a lot of quote unquote cool people,

1290
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: some of them Mate's so cool. And also you start

1291
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: to see once you're around a lot of famous people

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00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: that they're just people. Yeah, it's and it's hard to

1293
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: ever get but I go five to one, Mike. I

1294
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: know number one was Adam Dirret's Count of Crows because

1295
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: my favorite band as a kid. Do you know who

1296
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: else was on by Steve Young is one of them

1297
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: I put on the list.

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00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.

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00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: Move on with my day. This is this morning. I

1300
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: get a text like, I don't know, nine thirty this

1301
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: morning from Steve Young. I never gave him my number,

1302
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: by the way, he says, Bob, just like you know,

1303
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not lying nine fifty two am this morning.

1304
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: That's that's his picture. Where did he come on the list?

1305
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: Number four? Okay? So who was five? He? He was like,

1306
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: what's the deal with one? Derek Jeter?

1307
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: Okay?

1308
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: He was at four, Lenny Kravitz at three, Jim Nancit two,

1309
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: and Derret's at one.

1310
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: So I said, he said, hey's Steve Young. I'm listening

1311
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: to the show this morning, and bam, I hear my

1312
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: name and he says, I got your number from Steve John.

1313
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: I called him, who's the head of that?

1314
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: And he's and he look look at this. He says,

1315
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 2: that's so. And so I replied back.

1316
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't even know what to say back,

1317
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I wanted to make sure he knew

1318
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: he was Steve Young, Like you're Steve Young. And so

1319
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: we have our little text thing and he says, you know,

1320
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: I love the show whatever, there's a certain bet he

1321
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: wanted to remind me of. And then he goes because

1322
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: I was making fun of myself when I went to

1323
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: meet and I was like him, mister Young. He said, uh,

1324
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: I first met Carlton Heston way back and I was starstruck,

1325
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: and then sped out, Oh I loved you and big

1326
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: her so whatever whatever, and that happens, and I'm not

1327
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: gonna I'll never text him again.

1328
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's real.

1329
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: It's like Jim nance he's invited me to invite him

1330
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: to come and do stuff or be on the show.

1331
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: I never do.

1332
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never call him, be like, hey Jim, what's up.

1333
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: You know the time he told me to say Hugh

1334
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: Lowis is like, here's my number, A zero percent. The

1335
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: fact that you gave it, that's a gifted.

1336
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: He just texted me six minutes ago again again, let

1337
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: me know if I can help in any way.

1338
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: Love what you do. Will you please tell him? I said, Hi,

1339
01:00:59,440 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: we can both.

1340
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't know well enough, but if you hear it

1341
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: gives me this real strength.

1342
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: Hondo Pece.

1343
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: I send a video. Hey Steve, it's Ben Recked.

1344
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm Bobby. This is Steve. I was trying to

1345
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: tell Bobby what a nice guy you were, and he

1346
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: was like, is he really that nice? And I was

1347
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: like one hundred percent? And they showed me the text.

1348
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: I was like, that's him.

1349
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ben and I are He was telling a

1350
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: story about Huey Lewis and I said you're my Huey

1351
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: Lewis whole understanding what that means later. But anyway, Ben

1352
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: and I were just talking about you random. You randomly

1353
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: came out truly randomly, truly random, and then you just

1354
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: text me. So I was like, I'm I will hit

1355
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: him back anyway. I hope you're good bye.

1356
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: He he is the nicest guy we've like, you know me,

1357
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: hue Lewis gives me his number. I'm not texting. We've

1358
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: like kept up. Actually he we left the tournament and

1359
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: he was like, we're brothers now and I was like, wow,

1360
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if you mean that. I didn't say that,

1361
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: and then he totally did. He's a really nice guy,

1362
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: legitimately nice.

1363
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: And boom sent it. Okay, I have one final question,

1364
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: and we've done. We've done. We've been here a long time.

1365
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: But when you and I were not first met. We

1366
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: met on an airplane. Myself was flight very briefly sitting

1367
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: in line for the bathroom. Yep, you remember that, right,

1368
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: I do. I can't stop thinking about it. But I

1369
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: was in such a bad place.

1370
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 2: Man. You did you did this show.

1371
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 1: We kind of became friendly, then we became friends.

1372
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: Then we got there we got ripped together.

1373
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Yes, then we're just we're jacked. But I don't know

1374
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: the version of you. I've never been a friend with you,

1375
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: and you've put out new music. Like I kind of

1376
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: knew you, knew you enough to text you and go like, hey,

1377
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: like this record. This is why I feel like some

1378
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: of this stuff is special. But I didn't know you. Like now,

1379
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: if you put out new music, it'd be a whole

1380
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: different experience for me. Yeah, so what where are you

1381
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: in that? Because I don't know I don't know you

1382
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: in that way. Yep, where are you making anything new?

1383
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? So basically right now, I feel like I'm at

1384
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: the edge of the diving board. I have a collection

1385
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: of songs, I'm excited, and I'm trying to figure out

1386
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: how I want to approach it total honesty, a little

1387
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: daunted by the current landscape because I feel like I'm

1388
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: watching everyone just be like throw their dart at the

1389
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: board and there's like a billion other darts and everyone's

1390
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: just like eh, not that that would discourage me from

1391
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: doing it, but just like mechanically how i'd want to

1392
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 2: do it. I think probably in my head I was like,

1393
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 2: I'll get past the dan and shade tour and get

1394
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: home and figure out how to record it. But I

1395
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: think I think it's really I think they're very good songs,

1396
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: and I don't always feel like that, and I think

1397
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out how I want to

1398
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,479
Speaker 2: like capture them because I feel like more and more

1399
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: your like, hate to say this out loud, but I'm

1400
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,959
Speaker 2: going to like your content kind of is your song.

1401
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: It's like the days of like, do you like this,

1402
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: We'll head over to Spotify swipe. You're just like, so

1403
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm kind of figuring out, like what do I want

1404
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 2: to do? What angle do I want to take there? Yeah,

1405
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: that's that's where I am. I'm trying to figure out

1406
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: how to navigate this current landscape.

1407
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know that there's a lot

1408
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: of words and you have a bunch of songs.

1409
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: Do they all?

1410
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: Are they a collection of like minded songs? Are they

1411
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: just a bunch of songs that you like?

1412
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: No, there's there's several Like, there's several like groups, and

1413
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, whish of these groups feels like

1414
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: it would be fun and life giving to do and

1415
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: what would I get excited to like for the next

1416
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 2: however long be like this is what I'm doing.

1417
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: Bonus final question. Do you feel at times you're ever

1418
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: too precious about putt stuff out and that could that

1419
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: could keep your I don't.

1420
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I feel like the whole like

1421
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: put stuff out all the time thing is so new

1422
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: and I think that everyone is like, that's what you

1423
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: gotta do to like increase your stats. But I also

1424
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,479
Speaker 2: feel like what's happening now is like so many people

1425
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: are putting so much music out all the time that

1426
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: nobody cares anymore. So I'm like, I don't I don't know,

1427
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: and I will put out probably one song at a time,

1428
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: but I feel like even the internal pressure of like

1429
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: I released Color my World like two months ago, like

1430
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: prob probably gotta get something else out. I'm just like,

1431
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if because for me, the bands that

1432
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: I like that do that, I just start tuning it out.

1433
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, I don't know.

1434
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: What about a concept EP? Total concept EP that's right

1435
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: up your freaking out, Yeah.

1436
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yes, there's there's one one thing I

1437
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: want to do.

1438
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: Don't spoil it because I don't want to text everyone.

1439
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: We pull that down so if you say something that

1440
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: you don't think you want to be up, don't don't

1441
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: even say it because I don't want to text later

1442
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna worry about he probably wants to

1443
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: taken down. So don't say it. Just be very vague,

1444
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: and I want to keep us both out of this

1445
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: spinning that we do.

1446
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: Okay, there's several things that I'd like to do. One

1447
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 2: of them is very specific concept that I don't know

1448
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: if it's a good idea, but I think would be.

1449
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: I've never seen anyone do it, and I kind of

1450
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: want to do it, but the world might not need it,

1451
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: you know, they might be like I don't want to

1452
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: hear a song about.

1453
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: Blank Oklahoma Mandarin. That's what I would think. It is

1454
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: that that Oklahoma Mandarin the first Oklahoma to do a

1455
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: full Manderin album.

1456
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: No, that would You're you're kind of close.

1457
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: I I think as an artist, you're awesome. Thank you.

1458
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:09,959
Speaker 1: I I as a friend, I think you're really good.

1459
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1460
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: You know it could be better, and sorry, couldn't we

1461
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: all be? But no, I'm really looking forward to whatever

1462
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: it is that you're going to do. I don't even

1463
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: ask you about that stuff. Who has time when you're

1464
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: breathing as hard as we have to with freaking Kevin Kluge.

1465
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: But I'm putting a pick a ball court back here.

1466
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: Oh is clue coming today? Is going to get hard today? Oh?

1467
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because you worry. That's why I'm going

1468
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: to clear you to go before he even gets here.

1469
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: Oh wait, He'll be like, Ben, what's the deal? What

1470
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: is the deal? Uh? The deal is I hurt my

1471
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: back a little bit the one time that Eddie and

1472
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: I worked out and you weren't there. Basically I hadn't

1473
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: been for a couple of weeks and we did too hard.

1474
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 2: I was sore for seven calendar days. We did a

1475
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 2: million deadlifts and Bulgarians. Uh. And then yesterday I had

1476
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: a charity golf tournament and then I'm going to do

1477
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: a member guest. I leave Thursday at like five in

1478
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: the morning. Where's the member guest in San Francisco? Got it?

1479
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: Well? Are you playing golf again? Because for a while

1480
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't play golf anymore. I just

1481
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: played pickleball.

1482
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm honestly, I'm like full on into golf.

1483
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm back, so so played golf yesterday can't go into

1484
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: uh not an important tournament, but just like a real tournament,

1485
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: being like, sorry, guys, I can't walk. I just million.

1486
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, are you really in a golf now?

1487
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: Are you just waiting until pickleball? Because we've been through

1488
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: this and I was like.

1489
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: Golf pickle I mean I'm in I'm in a golf zone.

1490
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: Right. You're a deceivingly good athlete, which is annoying.

1491
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: It's really nice you to say.

1492
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: And you are taller than people expect. I thought you

1493
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: get that all the time.

1494
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 2: Most common thing people say to me.

1495
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: You're yeah, I mean six nine six nine, yeah at

1496
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: least Okay, Look, we're gonna end this. When you hear

1497
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones' new podcast would you have for breakfast? I

1498
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: think nothing of it. I think nothing of it? Uh yeah,

1499
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: followed bit. Now I'm just gonna straight rip. It's not

1500
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: even gonna be something I could like using court. There's

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01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna be I stole at Ben underscore rector on Instagram?

1502
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: What is it on TikTok though?

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01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. I don't know,

1504
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: have to taketalk on my phone. Maybe been in a

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01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: corrector who loads it? Uh my Social Team, got it.

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: Fancy Ben underscore director. I mean I have one too,

1507
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: but I just I just don't.

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01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: Ben, underscore director.

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01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: Check out Color My World and the tour dates because

1510
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: you're done with Dan and Shay. But now it's a

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: symphony show starting May tenth, eleventh, fifteen, sixteenth, all the

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01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 1: way through September seventh. I'm just gonna read the cities

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01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: down Coast of Mason, California, Coast of Mason, California, Minneapolis, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Atlanta, Nashville, Nashville, Detroit, Dallas, Dallas,

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01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: and from now.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: That's it, Okay. I'm excited to hear about your concept record.

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01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,600
Speaker 1: I hope it's like cowboys, These cowboys, that's it. That.

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01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no nothing else not country music. It's cowboys.

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01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, there he has been record.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

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Speaker 1: H