1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Football is about the Jimmy's and Joe's, and x's and o's. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 2: Nice write numbers, three jets, Spielberg, I'm one far right 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: ast big fly, Turbo, Zelda fourteen, Diablo. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 3: Whim out a bunch, right, Robert de Niro. 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: It's time to get out the chotboard and diagram some plays. Hey, 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: sure you get enough dep like twul yard fourteen yards, 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: break on everything. 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: This is Inside Football with former Colts and NFL coach 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Rick venturi Well. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 4: You know, it's not football season until we do certain things, 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 4: and one of those things is fire up Inside Football 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 4: with Rick Venturrey here in the podcast. We are so 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 4: back now in twenty twenty five. Great to have the 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 4: podcast back here with RV. I'm Matt Taylor here at 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 4: Graham Park in Westfield, the side of Colt's training camp. 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 4: Presented by Coursing Fire and Security, the Indiana Union Construction 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 4: Industry Radio studio. It has been taken on the road 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 4: and it's time to talk some football with Rick Venturrey 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 4: and tap into his nearly thirty years of NFL coach experience. Rick, 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 4: Welcome back to training camp. I talked about the coaching 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: side of things, but in terms of following training camps 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 4: being part of them, you're well into the forties, my friend. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: If you can't. 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: If you count my year in the CFL, it's forty four. Yeah, 26 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: we've seen a few training camps. But you know, and 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: you've heard me say this, We've been together for a 28 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: long time now. Is I love training camp? I always did. 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: I loved it as a coach, no matter how hot 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: it got. No we had tough he got or monotonous. 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: And I always really like the first two weeks where 32 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: we're at right now, because you're still teaching the game, 33 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: you're still installing, you're still teaching your young kids, and 34 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: yet you're playing. You don't have the pressure of a 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: game yet, you know, And to me, this is in 36 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: a lot of ways, like a lot of us, why 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: we went into it is the teaching aspect of it. 38 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm in my wheelhouse here, no. 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: Doubt about it. We've got so much to talk about today. 40 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: We're going to recap the first six days of colts practice. 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 4: Day number six just got done. Full disclosure. We're taping 42 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 4: this on Tuesday, the second day of full pads. We're 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: going to talk about the main topics on both sides 44 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: of the ball. 45 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: So let's get right after it. 46 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: Man, we want to start with quarterbacks, sure, all right, 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna lay it out there on a tee 48 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 4: for you. In terms of these quarterbacks here, it's the 49 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: main highlight of camp. You've got this quarterback going on 50 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 4: right in quarterback battle, I should say, between Anthony Richardson 51 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones. This is one of the very few true 52 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: quarterback battles in the NFL in terms of overall training 53 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: camps around the NFL this summer. So let's start first 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 4: with Anthony Richardson. Take into account what you saw here 55 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 4: this afternoon, Rick, how does ar look to you so 56 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 4: far as it relates to him improving in the intermediate 57 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: part of the passing game, which he vowed to improve 58 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 4: in all off season. It was a problem for the 59 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: Colts in the passing game last year. 60 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. 61 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: The two things that I was most critical or most 62 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: worried about with Ar five is his ability to anticipate 63 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: and to be pinpoint accurate between the numbers intermediate not deep. 64 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: He can throw the deep ball. You know, he's a 65 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: freight train running the ball. There was never any doubt 66 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: about that. He can make an off platform throw, but 67 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: that led to that low percentage, you know, that holding 68 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: the ball when he's not sure, which ends up incomplete 69 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 2: or intercepted. 70 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: What I've been happy with. 71 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: Particularly the last two days actually the two padded practice, 72 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: which I think the pads have helped the offense tell 73 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: you the truth. And I also think that the offense 74 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: the defense came in here with a new concept with 75 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: lou and it's a. 76 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: Sticky get after you choke off receivers. 77 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: And it was a long day and I think some 78 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: of the low percentage was really more product of the 79 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: receivers getting stuffed that not really was the quarterbacks in efficiency. 80 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: But what I've liked. 81 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: About him, and it's specifically what I've been looking for, 82 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: is he has been more decisive early in the down 83 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: and getting the ball either to the in side or 84 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: inside out routes. He threw a beautiful seven corner yesterday, 85 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: but he threw a lot of balls inside. And with 86 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: guys like Downs and warn you can make a living 87 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: in there, particularly with Pierce now, who can take. 88 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: The top off. 89 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: You got you know, Pidman, you got Mitchell on the outside, 90 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: you got a runner, So you know what you need 91 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: is that inside passing game, you know that can just 92 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: high percentage rip them. And so you know, I've seen 93 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: him consciously. I'm sure coaching has a lot to do 94 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: with it, but I've seen him really consciously look better 95 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: in that aspect. 96 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: And as it relates to the entire team, you know 97 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: you hear me say this a lot leads to more 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: complimentary football, staying on the field longer, and time of 99 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 4: possession for the Colts as a team that was such 100 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: a problem last year. 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: Well, the two things you can't have, and I don't 102 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: want to bring up the negative, but they're there. They're real, 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: is you can't have forty percent completion and you can't 104 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: have eight touchdowns and twelve interceptions, because what that's telling 105 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: you is you're not moving the football. You're incomplete. Your 106 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: third down statistics are awful. You're not moving it. When 107 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: you miss fire on first down, you're second and ten, 108 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: you're behind in the count. And I'm not sure that 109 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: we'll ever get Anthony to you know, sixty eight percent, 110 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: sixty seven percent, but if we could get him at 111 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: least this year to fifty five with a better turnover 112 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: to touchdown ratio, you know this team is good. Enough 113 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: to contend. So yeah, I'm with you totally. And you 114 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: have to be able to use the intermediate part of 115 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: the field. All right. 116 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 4: What about Daniel Jones. He's looked pretty steady since he 117 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 4: arrived in March. He's been a consummant pro. I think 118 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 4: the biggest compliment I can give him is that he doesn't. 119 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Look like someone that's been here only since March. Right now. 120 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: He's done a really good job of taking command of 121 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: the playbook, knows where to go with the football. That's 122 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: been the book on him since he was drafted in 123 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen by the Giants in the first round. 124 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: So what is Jones showing you so well? 125 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: You use the term steady, okay, and you know he's 126 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: he's understated. He never is a guy that either personality 127 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: wise or necessarily playing that you go like, wow, man, 128 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: I've never seen that before. 129 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: But you see steady performance. 130 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: If you look at his career, he's sixty four to 131 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: sixty seven percent right in there, even in the bad years. 132 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 2: You know, if you look at twenty two in isolation, 133 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: you know, it's fifteen touchdowns, five interceptions, sixty sixty seven percent. 134 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: You know, and then the thing that I've noticed this. 135 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: He's a much better athlete. And I knew he's a 136 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: good athlete, but he's made a lot of escapes, a 137 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: lot of throws on a dead run, and he's pretty accurate. 138 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: He gets rid of the football. Uh, you know. 139 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: The I think the biggest thing with him and the biggest, 140 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: the toughest thing totally is you're gonna have to make 141 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: this decision from the gut. We can sit here and 142 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: watch these practices and there's five significant outcomes. There's the 143 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 2: two you know, the two combined practices and three preseason games, 144 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: but really, training camp is going to go like this. 145 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: It's gonna be up and down, up and stock market 146 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: yet it is, it's up and down, so you know 147 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: in the end it's gonna come down. 148 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: I think I think too. 149 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: Do you trust that Anthony has come that percentage as 150 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: a pure passer and then the other part of it, 151 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: do you trust that with Jonesy he has regained his 152 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: confidence as the kid from Minnesota did a year ago 153 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, if he's another Sam Darnold, because like I said, 154 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: the twenty two season was a winner totally, you know. 155 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: And that's the most ideal outcome for the Colts as 156 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: it relates to Daniel Jones career resurgence. 157 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely that reassurgence to find twenty two and AR five, 158 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: to find the possession game and the consistency and a 159 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: higher percentage of throwing the football. 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: I apologize, but if you had to play a game tomorrow, 161 00:07:59,440 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: what is. 162 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: Well you know, I would say based on this practice, 163 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: Based on practice so far, there hasn't been a big separation. 164 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, it's not a huge separation. 165 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: So you probably would go with Richardson because of the 166 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: explosiveness of his play. If I look at history, I 167 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: don't know that I trust Anthony, and you could make 168 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: the case for Jones. So I'm not I'm not trying 169 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: to be vague on the hot seat, and I do 170 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: want to take this all the way to the end. 171 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 172 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: I want to see. 173 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you've got to take it to the end, 174 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: and you've got to see live bullets flying, you know, 175 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: even though a preseason game isn't a regular season game, 176 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: but at least there's live bullets. And when you when 177 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: you have the combined practices and we'll talk about that 178 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: next week, at least you see a sophisticated defense that 179 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: you don't see in the preseason games. 180 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's go elsewhere within the offense. 181 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: I want to talk about Tyler Warren, the rookie first 182 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 4: round draft pick out of Penn State. He had over 183 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: one hundred catches last year in the Big Ten. This 184 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 4: is the stat that just absolutely blows me away, because 185 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: everybody talks about his coming out party, if you want 186 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: to call it that. Against USC that's when I became 187 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: probably most privy to him. But in that game against 188 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: the Trojans Rick he had seventeen catches, two hundred and 189 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: twenty four yards and a touchdown. That was more than 190 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: the top Colts tight end had all of last season. 191 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: That was Kylon Granson. 192 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: So he had more production in one game than the 193 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: top Colts tight end did all of last season. So 194 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: how much of his presence alone is going to fix 195 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: the Colts intermediate part of that passing game the woes 196 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: they had last year. 197 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: Well, he's a terrific prospect, period and you can see it. 198 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: I mean you can see it every day in practice. 199 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: He does something that you like, you saw versatility today. 200 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: They had him in the backfield, they put him in motion. 201 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: They can displace him. He can play at the end 202 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: of the line as a true why he can play displaced, 203 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: he's been into backfield. He can even throw the ball. 204 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: He's going to be a terrific red zone threat because 205 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: of his length and you know, to use a cliche 206 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: term as catching radius, but he can catch it. He 207 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: catches it well. He's a three down guy. He never 208 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: comes off the field. I think he gives us a 209 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: middle of the field offensive weapon that we just haven't had. 210 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: In my opinion on Warren is he will be as 211 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 2: good as our quarterbacks make him. 212 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: Because it's not it's not gonna be about him. I mean, 213 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 3: he the. 214 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,359 Speaker 2: Only thing he isn't He isn't blazing, but he's athletic 215 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: and quick. He has very quick movements. He's very fluid. 216 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 2: You know, he can turn and make a back door catch. 217 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: I mean and he can and he can separate with 218 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: both quickness and with that length. 219 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 3: You know that get length. So I think if we structure. 220 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: Like the last couple of days, once we got in 221 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: the pads, we were struggling so hard on the outside 222 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: against our corners. When we brought the offense back inside 223 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: or inside out right, you know, then you saw him, 224 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: and you saw our quarterbacks flirst, but then you see 225 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: him how important he is to the game. 226 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: Rick Venturry right there inside football. Another weapon I want 227 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 4: to talk about is Alec Pierce having a really consistent camp. 228 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 4: He's coming off or his dealing with a little bit 229 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: of a blister on his foot. Had to sit out 230 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 4: Monday as we take this on Tuesday, but he was 231 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 4: back in action today full pads and he's again consistent. 232 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 4: Led the NFL last year in yards per catch twenty 233 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 4: two point three. That was the highest NFL average per 234 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: catch since twenty ten. 235 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: Is as Piers. 236 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: Capable of being both a deep threat and a possession 237 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: or high volume type receiver. Is he capable of taking 238 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: on even more to round out his game? 239 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: At one time I didn't think he was, And he is, 240 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: in my opinion, one of the most improved players in 241 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: three years that I've ever been around, either coaching or broadcasting. 242 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: He has gone from a one trick pony vertical beat 243 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: you win or else a year ago. He became a 244 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: terrific fifty fifty guy. And it started right out here 245 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: at Grand Park. We are seeing him do it every day. 246 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: He carried it right into the season and you know 247 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: what I've seen now is a much smoother guy off 248 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 2: the break. When you talk about more versatility, catching more 249 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: balls intermediate in and out. He was also very choppy 250 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: as a rookie. No, I think that he is a 251 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: game breaker. The fact that he's number one, that's not 252 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: an accident. I mean that's a big deal. And he's 253 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: gonna get paid. I mean he is going to get 254 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: paid because he's one of those guys. See what you know. 255 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: When I look at our offense and defense, I look 256 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: at it through the prism of I'm getting ready to 257 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: play these guys. As a coordinator, I use my coaching background, 258 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: and he's a guy I got a defense. 259 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 4: Speaking of improvement, as we go to the offensive line, 260 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: the headline there is Bernard Yman has really improved as 261 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 4: a player. He is top ten left tackle in terms 262 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: of all the analytical grades run blocking, pass protection among 263 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: left tackles. And the story there is the Colts announced 264 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 4: today earlier on Tuesday that he did sign a contract extension. 265 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 4: Reports say, according to the NFL Network and the Indie Star, 266 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: it's a four year contract extension. How important was it 267 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 4: for the Colts to get that done with a player 268 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: that is a premium player at a premium position. 269 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the key. He is a really good player. 270 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: We were fortunate to get him in the third round 271 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: and the only reason for that was he didn't have 272 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: a big football background. I knew that he had all 273 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: the qualifications to be a left tackle. I thought he 274 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: was Anthony Costanzo without a big football background. Yeah, he's 275 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: done everything at TUX. He's learned the game, he's bulked 276 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: up with good weight. He is a premier player now 277 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: at left tackle, and the word is premiere. 278 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: He can handle the edge and it's a premier position. 279 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: The one thing in modern day football, with the hard 280 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: salary caps and the mobility of players, what you can't 281 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: let out of your building is guys that are game changers. Yeah, 282 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: and dreamium positions. You just you're going to lose some people. 283 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: It's just the nature of the game. 284 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: And they never hit free agency. 285 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: You cannot let those guys out of the building, right 286 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: And I respect the Colts for not waiting on it 287 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: to let's do it. You know, we know we got 288 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: to have them. Let's don't fool around with it. Make 289 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: him a very fair offer. 290 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was going into the last year of his 291 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 4: rookie deal, drafted in twenty twenty two, and again has 292 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: steadily improved his production elsewhere along this offensive line. I 293 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: got a two parter here. I want to combine these 294 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 4: two Rick. We got a battle at center, Tanner Bordolini 295 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: and Danny Pinter. They both have been running with the 296 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: first team offense at different points of camp so far. 297 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 4: So which of those guys do you favor based on 298 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: what you've seen in the grand picture of things. Both 299 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 4: guys started at center at times last year, and then 300 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 4: Matt Gonzalve is going from tackle to right guard in 301 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: this offseason. What's your confidence level that he's going to 302 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: be able to hold up and play a high level 303 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: of that position. 304 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: Well, first question, it's a tough choice between Danny and 305 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: bordel because in a way they're the same guy. 306 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: They are almost clones of one another. 307 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: Danny's played pretty well at center when he's asked to 308 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: go in there, not so much at guard, But at center, 309 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: Mordelini is a career center. Both of them are a 310 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: bit undersize, but real smart can get up into the 311 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: second level, can make all the physical adjustments. The biggest 312 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: problem both of them would have and you can see 313 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: it in one on ones with big guys like Grover 314 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: that are monsters at nose tackles, not the quick guys, 315 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: the monsters. They may struggle a little bit, but I 316 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: think we're going to come out of there with a 317 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: good center. I got a feeling it'll be Bordolini just 318 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: because he's played center so long, but really that could 319 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: go either way. Gonzalvee is to me, and you know 320 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: you've heard me say this. He was he overplayed my 321 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: expectations a year ago. I didn't think that. I thought 322 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: he'd be a developmental guy, particularly at tackle, and then 323 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: he was forced into the action by injuries and the 324 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: thing with Brayden, and you know what, he played better 325 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: and not expected into play. I've always said that he 326 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: is a much better adept at guard because he is 327 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: no longer he's not isolated out in space. If he 328 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: has an issue, it's when he gets out on that island. 329 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: This is this is why Ryman is so good. Ryman 330 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: can play on that island. 331 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: He struggles a little bit with that speed in athleticism, 332 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: but when you put him in guard, it's condensed. You know, 333 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: now he will you know, like he had a little 334 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: trouble with Buckner yesterday in one on one. 335 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: He will at right. 336 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: Guard face a lot of the top three techniques in 337 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: the league that are athletics. 338 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: So but I am much more confident in him at guard. 339 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: It's really funny when you look at our offensive line 340 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: and they come up, I mean, they're gigantic, and then 341 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: they come like this, and then the both centers they 342 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: come down. 343 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: It's like it's like a little valley at center. 344 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: And you know, but I mean that you know that 345 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: that potentially, you know, I mean, the left side is 346 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl, it's a it's a're our offensive line. 347 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: Can win games and it's solid in place in the future. 348 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: Two yeah. Contract wise, Now, obviously with today's news. 349 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: Before we go to the defensive side of the ball, 350 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 4: anything else on offense, we need to talk about that. 351 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: You're you're looking. 352 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: At well, you know, I've been keeping my mind on everything, 353 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 2: and I think kind of the enigma, I'll say the enigma, 354 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: and the guy that could really give us a shot 355 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: in the arm is Mitchell. 356 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: Mitchell. You know. 357 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: Now, he had a couple of drops first couple of days. 358 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: Today today he was terrific. He's stacked two days Yeah, 359 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: he stacked him. I mean, he caught that post. But 360 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 2: what the more impressive one was the outcut he made 361 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 2: on the corner down here. Because what he can do 362 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: more than anybody downs might be close, is he can 363 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: separate off the break. 364 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 3: No one separates like him. 365 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: But he's got to make layups and he's got to 366 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: catch the ball consistently, be into the game, be on 367 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: the same page with quarterback. But my goodness, if we 368 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: could get him to play like the last two days 369 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: opposite Pierce on the other side, with those inside weapons, 370 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 2: we could be really good. 371 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 4: All right, let's go defense now. And I know that 372 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 4: side of the ball you're very intrigued with. You can 373 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 4: already see. I said it day two because you could 374 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 4: see it that early, the scheme difference on defense. Yeah, 375 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 4: secondary is playing tight, they're making plays. You're already seeing 376 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: the defense send more pressures within the front seven. How 377 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 4: much do you like? And it's bare bones right because 378 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 4: it's training camp, but within the skeleton if you will, 379 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 4: of what you're seeing, how much do you like so far? 380 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: Well? 381 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, we had a really good offseason. 382 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: I thought we made really good moves on free agents. 383 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: But maybe the best move was to change the defensive coordinator, 384 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: defensive staff. And you know, and you know, in all honesty, 385 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna be caddy here. You know, the 386 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: last six years, five years, we've run a remediated defensive 387 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: coverage scheme. The coverage geame has been behind, it's been 388 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 2: over simple. It's allowed quarterbacks and receiver to eat us alive. 389 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: Now you come out and lou Annerumo brings in a 390 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: real NFL sophisticated, aggressive pressing matchup type of defense that 391 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: I've always favored. I'm not saying something out of school 392 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: that I haven't said for the last six years. And 393 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, and then we go out and 394 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: we get a elite corner. 395 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: In ward, we. 396 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: Get a premier safety in Combinam. You have a top 397 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: tier nickel in Kenny crosses on his way. So then 398 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: it looks like we got a steal, which isn't a 399 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: steel to me. But in Wally, you know, you know, 400 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: Jalen got hurt a little bit today on a hamstring, 401 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: but he's been playing great. So but what you're doing 402 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 2: is for that third and fourth and fifth corner, you're 403 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: talking about guys that were ones. So you know, between 404 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: on a Rumo scheme and the improvement on the back end, 405 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: I think and my goal, I'm looking at three areas 406 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: that we really have to that will make us a 407 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 2: better team. Won his offense, both Daniel Jones and Anthony 408 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: were twenty seven and twenty eighth last year back to 409 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: back in QBR. 410 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: We got to get that up to fifteen. Okay, I'm 411 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: trying to be realized. 412 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: The top half. 413 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: Okay, Now, defense twenty ninth, we got to get that 414 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: to fifteen. You do those two things and then get 415 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: that turnover ratio from a minus four into the top ten. 416 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: With the rest of the talent on this team. 417 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. 418 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: You're looking at double digit wins. 419 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: You are, you're looking at playoff time, and it's to 420 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: me if you look at those three absolute tangible statistics, 421 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: that's what you're shooting. 422 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 4: For elsewhere within the secondary rookie justin Wally Adam, Minnesota, 423 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: Before I ask you a question about what we've seen 424 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 4: out of him so far, did you have him as 425 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 4: high on your board as the Colts did they took 426 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: him in Round three? 427 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: Where were you at? 428 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: I was right between three and four. He was one 429 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: of the guys that Chris actually had me look at. 430 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes he'll give me a handful of guys 431 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: to look at, just just to get an opinion from 432 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: a thousand feet up. And I really liked him. And 433 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: the problem that he had was other than speed. His 434 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: workout was below you know, the vertical all that, you know, 435 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: his shuttles, and people kind of turned off on him, 436 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 2: and and you know, and Chris kept saying, I think 437 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: he could really play. I looked at the tape and 438 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 2: I said, speed. You know me, If you can't run, 439 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: I don't want you. But then if you have speed, 440 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: let the tape did take to you? Oh and a 441 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: kid is terrific on tape, then you know whether or 442 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: not you took him third or fourth, just thank god 443 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: you got him and give me you know, I got 444 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: to give Chris credit. 445 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: Who gives a damn with you? You're third or fourth? 446 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: You know you and I always laugh. The draft now 447 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 2: has taken on a life of its own. It's like 448 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: a schedule to itself. That's all we talk about for threeident. 449 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: A week later in the first mini came. Nobody cares 450 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: about it. It doesn't matter. And no and on the team 451 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: or or not. He's confirmed it both in mini camp 452 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 2: and had a good day out here that had a 453 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: great breakup over in the middle, So you know, I 454 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: mean you know again that looks now. One thing about him, 455 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: I will say this, I think I mentioned this to 456 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: you the other day. 457 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: With a guy like Ward on the other side, he's 458 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 3: gonna get tested well. 459 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 4: But can you can you put in two words because 460 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 4: you mentioned Jalen Jones got banged up a little bit today, 461 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 4: we'll see the severity of that had to be carted 462 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 4: off the field. No Juju Brents today as again we're 463 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: taping this on Tuesday. But just the fact that he's 464 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 4: they're just throwing him out there and seeing how much 465 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 4: he can handle, how much they can trust him in 466 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 4: a couple of different positions. Can you put into words, 467 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 4: because you've been at this a long time, just how 468 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 4: rare this is this guy is. 469 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to use. 470 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 4: The word against supplanting because we haven't played a game yet, 471 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: but if it does happen, he's going to be playing 472 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 4: over guys like Jalen Jones that have You know, he 473 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 4: started all seventeen games last year and started twenty seven 474 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 4: of the last twenty eight games in the. 475 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: Regular season, and he's had a great camp. Yeah, it's 476 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 3: not like Jones hasn't. Jones has competed. 477 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: I think what it really comes down to, I think 478 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: Lou and I see the game the same way. We 479 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: see it as a matchup, pressing game at corner, and 480 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: we favor speed and quickness and toughness to everything. And 481 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: that's what he carries beyond everybody else. He has that 482 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 2: four four one speed, so we know he can catch up. 483 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: Like you know, the other day he was behind down 484 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: here in the red zone, but in five steps he 485 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: caught up and knocked the ball down. Yeah, and you 486 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: know again, you gotta let tape take you. You know, 487 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: unless you know, when a guy's over four or five, 488 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: it's always a little scary. And what Lou is looking 489 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: for and he's going to sacrifice everything before has been 490 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: length length length. No, He's like I was, I want speed, speed, speed. 491 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: You know, I knelt at the altar of Il Davis 492 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: for years and years and years, and that's what this 493 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: kid brings me. He he had really good on tape. 494 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: Matt, all right, let's go to another layer of this defense. 495 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: Let's talk about linebacker. A lot of guys are rotating 496 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 4: in with the first team defense due to the absence 497 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: of a Zaire Franklin still rehabbing from off season ankle surgery. 498 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 4: So which players are catching your eye or starting to 499 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: flare up a little bit? 500 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: Playing mic alongside Jaylen Carl. 501 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we know a Louvy and I thought a 502 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: Louvis played pretty well in relief a year ago. But 503 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: those weren't small samples, they weren't very long. But he 504 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: seems to he seems to have the ability to be 505 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: a ball magnet, you know, he just seems like he 506 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: alway gets his hands on it or something. But the 507 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: two guys that have caught my eye kind of out 508 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: of nowhere is the local kid mcgron and Batchie, the 509 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: kid that played for Lewett Cincinnati. I think you know 510 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: a Jaki also, but I would say mcgrone in Batchie 511 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: are the two guys that have really caught my eye. 512 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: They've they've made plays and uh, you know, it'll be 513 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: good to get Zaire back, but this also gives those 514 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 2: guys the opportunity to blow out. 515 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: Scale of one to ten. 516 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: Before we move on from linebacker, how big of a 517 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 4: deal is it that Zaire the biggest leader of the 518 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 4: team emotionally, spiritually, and then I think also too, he's 519 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 4: just got great high football IQ. How big of a 520 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 4: deal is it that we haven't seen him yet? 521 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: Uh? 522 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: Scale one to ten with a new deal. 523 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'd say I'd say five. I think 524 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: he'll be just fine. You you hit it on the head. 525 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 2: He is rare intelligence. I mean this is a double 526 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: major how to Syracuse. One of them's economics. I mean, 527 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: do you think we could do that? I mean you 528 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: probably could. I got a couple of blocks for I 529 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 2: don't think, yeah that's what I still have a financial 530 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: guy in New Orleans. 531 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: No, I don't. I think he'll be okay. 532 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: Uh and mentally, Uh, it would probably be very difficult 533 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: up for some guys. I think he has the ability 534 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: to do it, and he does. He has a great 535 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: leadership role on this team. There's a he you know, 536 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: he as an NFL presence. He's very important. I mean 537 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: he's really important to this defense. But you know, there's 538 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: no sense rushing him. I mean you want him fully 539 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: healthy when he comes in there. 540 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 4: As we wrap up here, let's go to the defensive line. 541 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: The Colts pass rush. It's gonna be pretty diverse this season. 542 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 4: Quity pay lat year number two, j T Tuamoloau, Samson 543 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 4: Ebacom coming back after a torn achilles last year. 544 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: Taekwon Lewis is back. 545 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 4: Rick, whis your confidence level in that group based on 546 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: what you've seen so far here in camp? 547 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 2: Well, I think we haven't established this yet, and I 548 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: think this is a must because our secondary is gonna 549 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: be so much better that I can tell you. 550 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 3: You can mark on that. 551 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: Our linebackers will be I worry less about that position 552 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: as far as premium position than any Yeah, defensive lines 553 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: of premium position. And we have to be able, whether 554 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: it's a lot too. We have to establish impact on 555 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: the orb. We have to have an impact restaurant on 556 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: the outside. So far, we don't have that. We've had, 557 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: you know, we've had guys that are okay, but nobody 558 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: that you on Tuesday night, you know, you're saying, oh 559 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: my god, I got to turn the protection of this guy. 560 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: I gotta chip him every down. We need to get that. 561 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: And I'm not, you know, just watching uh tummy Miloa, 562 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: you know, and the one on one down there. He's 563 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: pretty good, you know, a lot too, very slick tae 564 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 2: kwon is a combination guy. 565 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 3: Yep, decent on the edge. 566 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: He'll be the guy that comes in and plays the 567 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: the rush inside guy like our kid that we uh 568 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: that we let go Dingbo. 569 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 3: He'll he'll have that. Well, I forget you quick when 570 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 3: you're gone. You know, I was like that as a 571 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: coach too. I love you and you're gone, then I 572 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know where the hell you are. 573 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: But uh and and I think we you know we 574 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: you say, we have a lot of diversity, and we 575 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 2: have rushers. I think we'll be all right, but I 576 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: think we need those two young kids to bring impact. 577 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: I mean to where you're really worried about them. And 578 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 2: my biggest concern is backup tackle running game. Okay, not 579 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: back up tackle passing game, because we can move Timo 580 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: in there, lewis in there. I mean, it's not the 581 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: rush issue. It's whenever Grover and a problem. When Grover 582 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: and Buckner go out of the game, it's second and five, 583 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: it's almost a full yard. It's almost like the offense 584 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: goes run. You know, they have a sign right, you know, 585 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: and and you know we'd be frustrated doing the game. 586 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: Here we go on a drive that's all rushing and 587 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: you say. 588 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: God, how did they get here? 589 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: You know how they get here? And so you know, 590 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: I don't know Gallimore. 591 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: We just we just signed a guy that played for 592 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: Lou three and forty pounds, you know. 593 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: And I. 594 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: Think with Lou, just like with me in the old days, 595 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: you're gonna see more Sarah Gusa type, more more stuffersah 596 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 2: and let people run around them than just pure athletes 597 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: running the gaps. 598 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 4: Last thing here before I wrap up. You're old school guy, right, 599 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: you can't bs Rick Venturi? What are some things that 600 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 4: you want to see that will lead hopefully to this 601 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 4: team getting off to a little bit of a faster start, right, 602 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 4: haven't won Week one since twenty thirteen? Closing seasons better? 603 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 4: You know you're five and nine record wise in Week 604 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 4: sixteen through eighteen since twenty twenty, trying to win close games. 605 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 4: The Colts played thirteen one score games last season. What 606 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 4: are some things that you want to see out of 607 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 4: this camp that will produce better results in those key 608 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 4: areas for the Colts that have to a decent degree 609 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 4: kept them out. 610 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: Of the playoffs. 611 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: Well, I would say number one, number one, and it's 612 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an intangible bull or it's 613 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: it's not. You can't measure it numbers wise. We have 614 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: to we have to. 615 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: Bring toughness to the picture. I mean, our padded practices 616 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: have to be tough. 617 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: It's it's not bad for the first two days, mis 618 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: Scott improved. 619 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 3: I I along with that. 620 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: I want to see our starters play more in the 621 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: preseason games because that's the only time you're going to tackle. 622 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: And I don't bitch to me in September that we're 623 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 2: missing tackles when you never practice tackling. 624 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: I mean you have to do it. I think that 625 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 3: the tone of toughness. 626 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 2: I'm not a big believer in these in these rest days, 627 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: I'll tell you unfiltered because I think you establish toughness, 628 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: you don't talk about it. 629 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: Uh. I was talking with Casey earlier today. 630 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: I worked for six of the toughest NFL coaches of 631 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: all times. Not a one of them ever talked toughness. 632 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: But we practice lived it. Toughness. We lived it. Toughness 633 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: was a way of life. 634 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: Or you could hit the road, you could get on 635 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: the bus, and I think we need to establish that. 636 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: I think beyond that, it goes back to those numbers 637 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: I talked about with you before quarterbacking. I think we've 638 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: got to get from that twenty seventh twenty eight QBR 639 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: up to fifteen. Let's get us in the top half 640 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: on QBR defense. You know the Anairumo handprint. Let's get 641 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: us from twenty nine. Just get us to fifteen. Don't 642 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: get it, you know, I'm not asking realistic to be 643 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: in the top three. Get us to fifteen, and then 644 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: get that turnover ratio, which right now is a minus four, 645 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: which is in the bottom twelve. You get us up 646 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: in the top ten. If you look at the NFL 647 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: over years, the top ten turnover ratio teams are always 648 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: in the playoffs. There's an outlier, like the Greatest Show 649 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: on Turf was an outlier, but there's not many. 650 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: But there's scoring thirty eight exactly exactly. 651 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: It's an outlier, you know. And you know the minus four. 652 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: We were always pretty good here and we really took 653 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: a step back. So if you get those three areas, 654 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 2: you know, and then you know, I don't you know, 655 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: he seems okay. I hope our place kicking is okay. 656 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: You know, we never talk about that, do we miss one, 657 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 2: you know, you know, and and then I think, you know, 658 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: you know, I think it's Shane. I don't know how 659 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: to put this other tactfully. It's Shane's growth as a 660 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: head coach and that that comes in toughness, personnel decisions, 661 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: game management. 662 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: You know, game management is one of the most underrated 663 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 3: things in football. 664 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: We talk about it in basketball all the time, but 665 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: game management is everything in football as well. 666 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 4: That's the great Rick van Turry and that's our first 667 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 4: installment of Inside Football here Training Camp twenty twenty five. 668 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, we are so back. We are back. 669 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: We are back. 670 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 4: No no hiccups, no hitches, Yes, sir, that ball's coming 671 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 4: out on time when Rick Van Turrey's on the podcast, 672 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 4: no question about it, all right. So reminder that the 673 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 4: Cults are going to host that night practice tomorrow, that 674 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 4: is Thursday night this week from six to eight. They're 675 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 4: going to have an off day on Friday, then return 676 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 4: to work back to back over the weekend, working out 677 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 4: Saturday and Sunday here at Grand Park. And for that 678 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 4: complete camp schedule, all you gotta do head to colts 679 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 4: dot com slash Camp download your tickets there. It's a 680 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 4: one stop shop for everything you need to know about 681 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 4: training camp up at Graham Park. Rick Van Turrey bringing 682 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: the heat as he always does, right out of the gate. 683 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 4: I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks for listening to this first installment 684 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 4: here in twenty twenty five in training camp of Inside Football, 685 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 4: and we will talk to you next week